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Farting Through Silk with Mooch Smith part 1
Episode 6827th April 2022 • Ramble by the River • Jeff Nesbitt
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Mooch Smith (current Athletic Director at Naselle School District) joins me to re-open old wounds and finally begin to heal after years of ignoring the pain. We start by recalling what was likely the first time we met; facing-off in what came to be remembered as a controversial match of pee-wee football. We move-on to discuss the Naselle Youth Camp's impending closure and we get the inside scoop from Mooch.

We cover topics ranging from personal to political. At times it gets pretty intense but we always maintain humor and open-mindedness throughout. Along the way you might hear: what inspired Mooch to become an educator, his philosophies for coaching and for managing coaches, why community matters, what its like to raise kids in your hometown, and a bunch of stories from back in the day.

You'll also get in-depth coverage of news and current events such as: Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter, the failed Red Bull stunt that ended with a plane crash, and the latest legal issues for Donald Trump.

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Keywords: Sports; Naselle high school; high school basketball; track and field; State basketball championships; Naselle Youth camp; taxes; social services; hiring; employment; economy; Mike Rowe; entrepreneurship; competition; football; job interviews; specialization; economic stimulus; Social Security; food stamps; EBT card; Gun-toting Liberals; Joe Rogan; cable news; Tom Trudell; Contemporary World Problems; Central Washington University; Teach For America; Dylan Jude Herrell Community Center; fisheries; salmon recovery; advocacy; charter fishing; hatchery production; commercial fishing; teachers union; collective bargaining; teachers salaries; NCAA; athlete endorsements; bullying; football; ; Social Security; education; teachers.

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[00:00:23] Right. You know, I'm just out here grinding because you know, I want to bring forward a high quality product for you guys. I know that you're a high quality audience and I want to bring forth a high quality product. So I grind, you know, I'm out here grinding just in the studio, grinding, you know, keep on the ground.

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[00:00:45] Thank you so much for tuning in today. We've got a great show for you. Mitch Smith is the guest Mooch Smith. So if you don't know Mooch Smith, he's currently the athletic. Ooh, that sounded a little lift.

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[00:01:25] It's not a common name, not at all. A common name. You might think, what is this guy like? Does he like to take from the government or something? What is he like a welfare queen moot Smith welfare queen. That sounds like a reality show right there, but no, no. The truth is his name is Mooch for unknown reasons.

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[00:02:02] We call him Mitch. You can call him Moche or Mr. Smith, probably to you, depending on who you are in this. , it's a good show. We get into some really good stuff. It starts off a little weird. I'll be honest, it starts off slow and it just kind of builds.

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[00:02:51] I better check the notes and a little bit scatterbrain today.

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[00:03:08] If you're not already on Patreon. And you're interested in subscribing, go ahead. Over to ramble by the river.com, go click the subscribe link at the top of the page. And that will take you right over to Patreon, where you can select your subscription options and all of that.

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[00:03:41] , where the error was. Is in who we attributed the recording to. Let's take a listen. Shall we

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[00:04:09] Jeff Nesbitt: blinded by the light was originally written and recorded by Bruce Springsteen. And it appeared on his 1973 debut album. The broadly despised greetings from Asbury park.

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[00:05:03] I was pictured a curly Wurly being in like a helicopter, an early Burley was just like some friendly alien being or something, you know, regardless he was there to help. I don't know what he was doing, but he was offering rides.

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[00:05:32] It's embarrassing.

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[00:05:34] If you do forgive me, go to my Instagram page at ramble by the river. Follow the page and comment on the most recent posts saying, Jeff, I forgot. Thank you. And if you don't forgive me, go to my Twitter at ramble river pod and tweet at me at ramble river pod.

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[00:05:52] And if you're neutral and not quite sure if you're ready to forgive,

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[00:06:08] and, you know, hopefully we can move past this or something like that. You know, again, that's at ramble river pod on Twitter and at ramble by the river on Facebook and Instagram.

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[00:06:36] I feel like they're a little more entertaining, but I don't know. What do you guys think? Shoot it shoot a message to me or no, don't do that. Do something public so people can see that you're talking to me and that I exist. And leave a comment somewhere. I don't know, get engaged, you know, getting caged,

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[00:06:56] , I think that sometimes people think I'm just saying this shit to say it, but I really [00:07:00] mean it. I genuinely want the audience to be engaged. Give me, give me ideas. Give me pointers, suggest guests. When people do that, I actually listen. I don't always feature the guests, but I at least take.

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[00:07:34] Plus is the game. And I'm not that good, it's, it's really fun though. I like it. It's enjoyable. It's relaxing. It feels very realistic. The haptics are good. When you tap the ball, it feels like a golf ball tapping off a club.

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[00:07:55] Ever since Facebook changed its name to Metta and decided they were a metaverse [00:08:00] company, I've been pretty much convinced that the metaverse will be a thing it's it's real now a year ago. I wasn't sure. And I was talking about it and kind of trying to get my feet in the water, put a toe in at least.

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[00:08:24] And that one you can find at the portal dot T O. Both of those links you can find in the show notes for this episode

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[00:08:51] Metaverse crypto, all that kind of stuff. So if you're really into that, come back in a few weeks, we will have a full episode about it.

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[00:09:22] And if it's not go to the one of the ones I just said, what are you crazy? All right. So what's going on in the world? Let's look at some news and current events.

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[00:09:35] wall street journal us wants to see Russia weakened says defense secretary, Lloyd Austin after Ukraine visit. Oh wow. What a break fucking ridiculous. Of course. We want to see that

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[00:09:54] What? That just came out seven minutes. That is breaking news. Holy shit.[00:10:00] If you don't think that's a big deal, which I imagine a lot of people probably don't it is because that has become a defacto public service. Like it's a public utility basically. I mean, think about during the Trump presidency, was there any other way to get direct news from the president?

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[00:10:22] So the Washington post reports, this is by Douglas McMillan. It came out April 25th at 4:25 PM. That's today it's 2:08 PM. It came out Two and a half hours in the future. Sanford. What that specific time.

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[00:10:50] San Francisco Elan Musk acquired Twitter for 44 billion on. The company announced giving the world's richest person command of one of the most [00:11:00] influential social media sites, which serves as a platform for political leaders, a sounding board for experts across the industries and an information hub for millions of everyday users.

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[00:11:34] He said he sees Twitter as essential to the functioning of democracy and said, the economics are not a concern. Well, they might be a small concern. Elan 44. Bill ownership of Twitter gives Musk power over hugely consequential, societal and politically.

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[00:12:14] And Twitter is the digital town square where matters vital to the future of humanity are debated Musk said in it release. I felt like that was a damn good Elon Musk.

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[00:12:34] defeating those spambots and authenticating all humans. Twitter has tremendous potential. I look forward to working with the company and the community of users.

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[00:12:54] that's crazy. Well, good for you, Ilan. Good for you, Ilan. [00:13:00] I hope it goes. What else we got?

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[00:13:18] from what I understand the plan on this stunt was to take two pilots, two planes fly them way, way, way, way, way up there. Put the planes in. Free-fall jump out of the planes, switch planes, and then, , pull them up before they crashed into the earth.

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[00:13:48] Oh, here's the.

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[00:14:01] And then one of the planes decides, nah, fuck this. I'm out of here. And it just starts flipping around in circles and. Wow, that's scary. The other one is going straight down still and the pilot is just getting up to it. He's on the plane

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[00:14:30] one plan is good pilots in the seat. Flying a plane.

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[00:14:37] oh, second pilot is in a parachute now.

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[00:14:52] The plane is just barely now down towards earth. [00:15:00] Spinning.

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[00:15:14] Well, hopefully nobody was injured. That sucks. Can't win them all.

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[00:15:40] I watched a little bit of this trial. It was interesting. Johnny Depp is a captivating speaker. And even when he's on the stand describing domestic violence , he's, he's good to watch , you know, it was fairly entertaining.

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[00:16:15] And, he had to go to the hospital. It was terrible. It sounds legitimately awful. And I'm sure nobody would give a shit if they weren't famous, but they are famous. So I'm talking about it, but yeah, I've lost interest and now we're moving on.

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[00:16:42] And I'm sure he won't because he's got his own social media platform. Now wouldn't be surprised though. Actually, if he did return just to advertise his social media platform, who knows? What does it, truth social? I don't know. I'm not on there.

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[00:17:05] Teflon. I don't even need to look at the details of that. The man got impeached and everyone forgot.

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[00:17:13] I'm trying to think of how to introduce the guest today.

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[00:17:21] okay. So I scheduled this interview a long time ago. Actually, it might've even been a whole year ago. We, we have talked about it many times, gone back and forth about possibly doing it and just, it just never happened. So I have had plenty of opportunities to play it out in my head of how it could go, which you do with everybody.

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[00:17:57] We know the ins and outs of how to communicate [00:18:00] smoothly, but I have noticed that it's much harder. To get that connection in that flow with somebody who I once had a close relationship with and have had some significant time pass since then. And now we're trying to record a podcast.

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[00:18:42] We're not interacting on a level where I'm getting to know him as a person or getting to continue to know him as a person. So I'm just getting what I see from social media, what you hear from other people and just kind of around.

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[00:19:18] And the kicker was that he was kind, that is something I did not remember from original Mooch teenage mood. And he wasn't like a mean person. He wasn't malicious or anything, but he was not spending a lot of time considering the feelings of others when he spoke or when he became. Regardless of the situation.

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[00:19:47] Okay. So during the podcast today, you will hear me confront Mooch with a story about a time when he was really rude to me and. I may or may not have deserved it. I don't know. That's up to you to decide, [00:20:00] but I told him the story and in my head I had pictured it being funny and I thought he would laugh or I, or maybe he would feel a little bit uncomfortable, but justify it or say I was wrong.

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[00:20:33] He did offend me. I will say that, but who didn't. I was always getting offended by people talking about my weight. People just always thought it was okay to talk about my weight. I don't know why that is.

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[00:21:12] and I see it, especially now. I saw little glimmers of it as a kid with a couple, a couple of memories I can recall really easily, but now that little glimmer of kindness, that little spark of whatever, that good thing is, has really matured and blossomed into being kind of who Mooches as a person sitting down with him was really kind of inspiring.

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[00:21:42] It's really nice to see people who genuinely care about kids, about education and about just the systems that keep society in order it's really cool.

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[00:22:18] So I was just. Very insecure. I was chubby. I was new at this job of ASB president and I was just, I had no confidence whatsoever. On top of that, I was very socially awkward. I had no skills for making friends, came from a small town.

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[00:23:08] At all, actually we just knew each other through football. We didn't have a real relationship and he was nice to me. It was cool.

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[00:23:27] Let me set the scene. 13 year old me doesn't have a lot of friends, but I do have a few really good ones.

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[00:23:57] She was supposed to be at this camp, but for some [00:24:00] reason did not make it, but that was okay because my friend Danny was going to be there. Danny. I think he was secretary or treasurer. He was. So it's seventh grade. , I haven't seen my friends all summer. This, this camp happened, I think one of the last few weeks of summer.

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[00:24:21] I was nervous as hell because it was really the first time I was going to be going. I never went to any summer camps. I, I really didn't go very far away from home. I didn't, I just didn't have experience with a lot of other strange kids. So I was super nervous and it's never been easy for me to make friends.

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[00:24:59] So [00:25:00] I had a 40 year old man's socks, coat watch and sleeping bag, actually that. Everything was just like big. I remember it just being big and anyway, that's not really important to the story, but to make matters more interesting. We had also decided that we would take the Honda shadow, the motorcycle to cispus.

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[00:25:26] New Jeff: 150

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[00:25:27] I was not a small 13 year old and I remember the right up there, my ass hurting, so fucking bad that I had like to stop and pull the sleeping bag and pillow and shove it under my ass. Give me some cushion, even as a fact yet I had no ass. I've just got no. we get there on a motorcycle and the campus packed.

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[00:26:10] And that did not happen. I got up and nobody talked to me. I didn't know where to go. My dad drove away and I was alone and I was just like, oh fuck. And that was the first time ever in my life. I had had that feeling. And it, it sucked. I got homesick immediately, immediately. But I figured, you know, I'll make the best of it. Let's find the registration desk. So I found the registration desk. I checked in, got my little booklet and whatever else. And I started, I would go find my peeps as luck would have it. None of the seventh graders. Showed up. I was the only one

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[00:26:58] New Jeff: grade

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[00:27:14] So I think, oh, thank God people. I know. And I walk over there and just say hello. And I'm like, Hey guys, how's it going? And Elizabeth turns and says, whoa, whew got really fat. Since the last time I saw you, how did you get so fat? And I said, just lucky I got.

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[00:28:01] And, um, I had for lunch, there was a, I don't remember what the main course was at all, but I, all I remember is that the. I was super uncomfortable. I didn't know how to connect with these older kids. They were all sitting there. We're all sitting in the little circle on the grass eating this meal, and they're all talking and I just didn't know how to break into the conversation.

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[00:28:44] Cause I wasn't going to eat the cake because I had no appetite because my stomach was filled with sorrow and I couldn't eat. And um, so I smashed the cake with my. And it didn't go anywhere. It didn't make any mess or anything, but it was just kind of like an obnoxious little boy thing to [00:29:00] do. And I guess it was somewhat successful because it did get the attention of Elizabeth, Liz.

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[00:29:21] What do you mean? You don't know? Why don't you do that?

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[00:29:55] And at this point I kind of just, you know, the memory just kind of feeling. [00:30:00] But suffice to say it was embarrassing. It was really embarrassing and it didn't get better from there. This was all in the first 30 minutes have shown up to this fucking camp. It was literally the worst experience. This little incident on the grass was the most humiliating experience I had ever had . And I shit, my pants

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[00:30:27] so that goes to show you it's sucked. It was really humiliating. So that basically set the stage for the, for the whole. But beyond that, little incident on the grass, I bumped into Mooch several times throughout the camp and he was cool. He became like a safe, person to go stand near. We really didn't still talk much, but I, I basically couldn't talk the whole time.

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[00:31:12] Not mine. Thank you. Because I would sit there and just pray that there was no letter in that stack for me, because they would make him like open it and jokingly make them read some of it, or I don't even remember, but I just knew if I had to go up there, I was going to humiliate myself. I was going to end up crying in front of 500 people because I was just on the verge of tears the whole time I was so fucking homesick.

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[00:31:41] Also several years later, Liz was hit by a truck and a boat trailer.

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[00:31:48] without further ado, please enjoy this podcast with the surprisingly kind and thoughtful Mooch Smith.

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[00:00:07] Mooch Smith: man? Busy, busy, busy, busy at work and got two little kids running around two little boys and just been busy. You're the

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[00:00:18] Mooch Smith: going? It's busy. Just like anything you're traveling for state.

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[00:00:41] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, of course. Nobody ever does.

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[00:00:46] Mooch Smith: We do. We have a really good coach out there, um, veteran coach. And, uh, he actually helps me because I I'm not attract guy. So track

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[00:00:57] Mooch Smith: know, but, uh, he, uh, but there's [00:01:00] a lot more to it than what we, well, we never ran or I never ran track in high school, but there's a lot more to it than I ever thought.

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[00:01:11] Mooch Smith: boys. And with technology these days, you got to put it on this site called athletic.net and their track the times I have no idea. Yeah. Um, so he keeps me straight on what we need and what to order baseball. You can just tell me something.

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[00:01:34] Jeff Nesbitt: Melissa's coaching junior high or middle school now. Middle school track again this year. Um, so I we're back in the swing of things with track. It's been a couple of years.

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[00:01:47] Mooch Smith: too busy. Yeah. I can tell you one thing, it's a. You need seems like you need about 50 coaches to coach track. Cause there's so many events and stuff like that, but he and another coach do a really good job of getting everything [00:02:00] dialed in and ready to go.

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[00:02:02] Jeff Nesbitt: good. It's hard

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[00:02:12] Jeff Nesbitt: How'd you guys end up at doing in basketball state,

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[00:02:26] If you win your regional, if you're not top eight in the state, , uh, you play this regional game to play in and if you are top eight, you can still get in there. , ranking wise. So if you're top eight, you lose, you're still you still alive. If you're a nine through 16, then you gotta win to go.

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[00:03:17] So it's, um, it's a lot different. , the B tournament is rich tradition to go into Spokane. So that's a little farther than we had to travel to Yakima. Jeez, they're both far. Uh, yeah, but eight hours or nine hours is a lot farther

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[00:03:35] Five hours is nothing.

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[00:03:50] Jeff Nesbitt: can walk and go to land. Got tased when we were there in high school. Um, speaking of back in the past,

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[00:04:21] If you remember this differently than please tell me that was it's

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[00:04:28] Jeff Nesbitt: Yes. That's right. Yes. Correct. Yup. Okay. And I was nine or 10. You were probably 10 or 11 was not

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[00:04:38] Was it Nick? Yeah,

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[00:04:40] Mooch Smith: know, I was a right guard. Well, I know that I didn't recover the ball. I laid, I laid the block on Chubb back then too. Yeah. But he was, are tied in and uh, it was a fumble. Nick picked it up and I laid a book on Anthony Cordero that sent him to the end zone that

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[00:04:59] It [00:05:00] wasn't. I think it was a tie. Yeah. And then he ran

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[00:05:23] And, uh, that was like the last play of the game it was. And Nick picked it up and ran it into the end zone.

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[00:05:51] Mooch Smith: he could, it was the act.

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[00:05:53] Jeff Nesbitt: I can't remember what that I remember. It was an next cause we had stripes that looked really great that you guys could run the [00:06:00] ball. No, at X meant you couldn't because you were too heavy. Pow. Okay. Because yeah, alignment, there was the weight limit. Yeah. Yeah.

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[00:06:10] Monica Smith's dad or grandpa

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[00:06:31] Yeah. do you, uh, Do you still coach now?

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[00:06:54] Jeff Nesbitt: athletic director, then two, no, I gotta be so

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[00:06:59] Uh, yeah, [00:07:00] it would've been, I would've been, I've been pulling my hair out.

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[00:07:05] Mooch Smith: So we, um, we schedule all the games. So right now I'm scheduling football and volleyball for next year and then basketball is going to be right down the pipe. Just schedule that. Um, we make sure everybody's in, um, you know, following the rules so we don't get banged with a sanction or something like that, following the rules, like, uh, grades and make sure everybody's eligible.

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[00:07:55] I take a step back, um, when it comes to that, [00:08:00] I go watch practices and stuff like that and make sure everything's organized and stuff like that. But, , when it comes to the X's and O's boom, I leave it to the coach. , now I have good rapport with, because I coached under him for three years with like, uh, our boys basketball coach, bill Olsen, and he'll ask me stuff.

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[00:08:44] Yeah. Um, that's the kind of approach I've taken,

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[00:08:58] Mooch Smith: Well, usually you [00:09:00] have like at our size school, a walk or, and they sell, you have that.

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[00:09:17] Jeff Nesbitt: after the one below me, one below you already, and

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[00:09:30] I think you can buck that system. If you put in the time. Now this is me talking as a coach is not everybody. If you make a vertical program. And what I mean by that Kalama was always a absolute powerhouse in

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[00:09:49] Mooch Smith: And same with baseball. I guaran, oh, then let's not take them.

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[00:09:57] Jeff Nesbitt: powerhouse. When we were

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[00:10:21] Everything has to be a well-oiled machine. And you've got to be far into silk when it comes to this stuff. And so the coach would break it down to the little league coaches. Hey, this is what I want you to run a double one. You don't got to go as in-depth or verbiage wise as I do, but you're going to run this.

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[00:11:05] You do that when I was short time, two years at, um, uh, Wako coach in softball before I got hired for a full-time teaching job at NACE cell, um, we were starting that we were getting that going first year was just kind of the honeymoon stage. You try to implement your things or your philosophies to your team.

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[00:11:40] Jeff Nesbitt: You call the little League coaches, the girls?

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[00:11:46] Uh, oh, the actual girls. so yeah, the are the girls that were on my team came and helped out. Gotcha. And put on this coaching clinic just to show them the drills we do and stuff like that. And then I put a packet together. That's probably. [00:12:00] We're on the radio. So I got us an inch and a half thick breaking down every grade level or every two, if they, if they're playing third and fourth softball, then fifth and sixth,

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[00:12:12] Yes. Wow. Moochie sound like you're actually really good at your job.

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[00:12:21] Jeff Nesbitt: and you've always been a coach. Yeah. Even when you were an athlete, you were very coach, like yeah.

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[00:12:32] Yeah. But, um, but it was, uh, it was just, I think that's how you build a program that the coaches automatically recruiting the younger kids to get them interested. Yeah. You know,

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[00:12:48] Mooch Smith: oh, Matt, Matt, Matt Blair was the high school coach of me in Durham basketball.

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[00:13:04] Jeff Nesbitt: that. And I felt like that about Ned.

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[00:13:07] Mooch Smith: Yeah. And, and I had the luxury of having Ned as a middle school basketball coach.

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[00:13:17] Mooch Smith: from the life. It was quarterback because our quarterback starting junior year.

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[00:13:22] Jeff Nesbitt: I know, but, so he was in a position as a coach where like I got to find a quarterback you, he knew you were athletic and he knew you could throw the ball and everything. He probably had no idea you could scramble like that.

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[00:13:38] I'll never forget this. And I was driving home in my too loud of truck that I had in high school. And, um, oh, you know how your, you, you come into a walk, go down the hill and you take a left. Like you're going to my house right there. There he was, I met him, we crossed paths and he throws me a football. He goes, [00:14:00] after we found out the person that didn't play the fo my senior year, your junior year, the same guy who ran in that, the same guy that ran in that fumble.

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[00:14:13] Jeff Nesbitt: Anyone really held it against no, not at all. He was so committed to everything. He did

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[00:14:25] Here are the quarterback and going from full back, which I loved. I absolutely loved, I loved running the ball up the middle and I loved hitting the defensive end and I love hitting. And do

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[00:14:41] Mooch Smith: Yeah. And I, and I, and I remember at, when we went into camp Riley and I was, I was, uh, I was a disaster.

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[00:14:53] Jeff Nesbitt: you didn't seem nervous. I didn't, you're very

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[00:15:11] Um, no, I was nervous as hell and I didn't think I could get it done. It's a lot of pressure on the quarterback. It wasn't so much the pressure I just didn't want to. Well, it is pressure. You're right. I didn't want to let people down. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And, and hell, now that I look back on it now, I didn't know what the hell was it covered two or a cover three or I still don't, you know, and, and I was just winging it.

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[00:15:44] Mooch Smith: option. If Jared shock wasn't open, I would still, okay, this is going to go to him. I know what route he's going on to throw it up. Cause he's six, six.

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[00:16:04] Jeff Nesbitt: nice guy too.

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[00:16:11] Jeff Nesbitt: Sorry, Jared.

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[00:16:28] That was pretty good. Three headed

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[00:16:38] Mooch Smith: I had the best technically snapping center I could have in this world, which is what I could, which is Jeff Nesbitt. I had Jeff Hilton as my right guard sometimes as my right tackle.

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[00:16:51] Mooch Smith: Chris left on the right side. I had, you know, the left section was not as strong as the right side with the Thiel worked, Theo, worked his [00:17:00] ass off. And then we had Brad reader, which is the size of a house, you know? And then we had Joe Gill's at tight end. Yeah. That was a solid team.

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[00:17:27] He was,

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[00:17:30] Mooch Smith: know, but he was young. I think he was a sophomore. Yeah. You think so? I think he was, uh, he was Jay's class. Wasn't Eddie, a

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[00:17:44] That was our best year of football ever in my opinion. Okay.

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[00:17:55] Jeff Nesbitt: an arm. Yeah. He threw a better ball. I think he would've probably been the quarterback if [00:18:00] you weren't there.

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[00:18:02] Mooch Smith: and he was so young and he was, I mean, he got him wild. He got into that state, a championship or a state playoff game and it was fumbled, fumble, fumble. And, and that's just nerves. I mean, you get thrown in, when we're getting rocked his

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[00:18:23] He had so much fun. Like I wished I would have been out there

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[00:18:29] Jeff Nesbitt: beautiful. Yeah. I know. I always was jealous. I could never throw a football like that. I

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[00:18:39] I'm going to get tackled. I gotta throw this thing, but we, um, we had a lot of fun. Yeah, we did. I think that that year was fun. I don't think I, I think we played. Shit the last four or five games of the season or the last quarter

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[00:19:11] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, God, Friday. I just went up to that field that we played on top water.

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[00:19:19] I think we played at ambit cause they were, they gave us, cause we were really supposed to go up to Friday Harbor and play. I remember you telling me this and then we had it, like it was at, he was either Bothell or Edmonds that sworn it was Tumwater. No Tumwater goes like this, that field went like

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[00:19:36] Okay. Uh, you would know, I don't remember that kind of stuff very well at all. I was surprised that I actually remembered it when we were there and it turns out I was wrong, but it got me thinking about that game and I was just like, God it toes on the turf. Yeah. That whole season

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[00:19:48] Mooch Smith: just his name. What was his name?

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[00:19:51] Jeff Nesbitt: that was next

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[00:19:55] Jeff Nesbitt: plumber came over, dude. He was 23 years old. He was [00:20:00] 23.

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[00:20:04] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, it's crazy. It's because he was covered in hair from his. But strong motherfucker too. I remember watching him bench with putting more than two plates on there.

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[00:20:15] Mooch Smith: I always remember though, you could tell he was alignment in high school because he allegated every catch when we throw. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. He was a wrestler. Oh yeah.

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[00:20:29] Mooch Smith: he's, he's a principal or athletic director somewhere. He was a good dude.

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[00:20:35] Jeff Nesbitt: he made me feel like I'm an adult actually thought I was, I was, uh, worth something, you know, you know what I'm talking about? I'm sure you, you give that feeling to kids where you talk to a kid, like they're a real person instead of just an annoyance or, or, , somebody who you have to talk to you for work.

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[00:20:52] Mooch Smith: what I learned about working at six years at a youth camp. Yeah. I was going to ask about that. So

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[00:21:01] Mooch Smith: it's a pretty good shot. Uh that's a, I would say it's boy. Yeah, it's getting shut down.

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[00:21:08] Jeff Nesbitt: So people who are not from this area, it youth camp is a youth detention center. It's a

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[00:21:23] Jeff Nesbitt: security. It's like a, a glorified summer camp. Uh,

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[00:21:28] Um, C. Especially in my world, my arena, my job, most people think it's just, how dare you lock up a kid.

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[00:21:40] Mooch Smith: It's a, it's a it's kids that every system or every program that they've tried to help these kids with, uh, it doesn't work. And the reason it doesn't work is it because they're a product of their environment.

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[00:22:16] It is drug sale. It is I'm shooting it's gang life. It's, um, uh, dangerous stuff, dangerous stuff. And, and the thing about it is if you show up to an ASL or green hill, which is in Shayla's, you drive by it on the freeway or echo Glen, which is 15 yonder and girls only, whereas that one it's Snoqualmie,

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[00:23:05] Jeff Nesbitt: so they're kids who really need.

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[00:23:14] Jeff Nesbitt: um, those weren't the tools that they needed in the environment they're coming up.

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[00:23:34] Um, those kids are funding wise for the state, get a lot more money than just your average kid that goes to school because they need more services anymore services. And those kids get that there. They wouldn't get there that, and I say product and environment. So I'm also the union vice-president out there.

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[00:24:18] No, no private should be in there. I can do that. But the thing about it is with like these kids, it doesn't matter if you're private public. I don't care what it is. If they can get offered a service, that's what they need. Yeah. And, um, they just don't see that and they, and, and they want, they, they don't even know what we do it at a cell or green Hills, a little different green Hills man there cause juvenile life now is 25 years old.

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[00:24:50] Mooch Smith: that's a maximum. That is your worst or your worst criminals, juvenile wise. And, uh, they're men they're there, it's a whole different animal than what [00:25:00] we get in a cell and, or did get it and they sell. And if they close that place down, It's just going to be for

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[00:25:13] We'll go to places like you're talking about Greenhill.

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[00:25:16] Jeff Nesbitt: And so, and they won't get the

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[00:25:37] It's always in the back of their mind, they're there, but loyalty to their colors. Yeah. But they start to realize, Hey, I can work with that guy. He's just normal person. Yeah. And most of those kids, most of those kids, depending on what hood they grow up in is, um, they like, so I was teaching a lesson one day and I go, okay, Portland, Portland, [00:26:00] you never, you never, uh, you guys know what Portland is.

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[00:26:23] They don't, they got a theater on every corner. So they just never leave. They never leave. They never leave their hood. And you know, if you really want to fix. I mean, we put all this money into throwing out there, thinking that they will fix it themselves and stuff like that. That's not, that's not how it works because it just circulates in to what they're doing already.

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[00:27:05] And we can have a discussion on why they are or not, but I, it doesn't matter. They're impoverished. Yeah. And so they see life sucks. They see their brother, or they see a person in high school with Jordans on and stuff like that. And they go, how'd you get that? It's not from a job. It's because they stole it.

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[00:27:42] Uh, and so, and you'd think yourself well, even if the kid, if a guy was telling me that at school or somewhere right out. We'd still come home to our moms and dads in this world and this world. And they'd say, you're an idiot. You're not going to go see that guy. You're [00:28:00] never going to see him again. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

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[00:28:26] What do they do? They start going with that crowd and they start brainwashing them at a young age. You need community, you need community. They don't

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[00:28:37] Mooch Smith: wrong place and they seek that they have nice stuff and the flash and, and everything. And, um, it's just, it's just, they have no chaat.

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[00:29:15] That's, you know, pretty well put together. I mean, he's. He's not a smart ass. He's not a bad what I consider a bad kid there he's knows respectful. I go, what are you in here for? And he goes selling drugs. And I co now why, why the heck would you do that? And he goes, because I was trying to get my brother back from CPS and I'm almost 18.

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[00:30:02] She didn't even know I was her son. She was so cracked out. Fuck. Yeah. That's what, yeah. That's basically what you get. That's trauma. Yeah. You, my idea. And I'm, I'm just a fat white guy that works at an so I don't know anything. In fact, white guys have a lot of power. And so, you know, my idea is, you know, when they go to these institutions, why send them right?

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[00:30:45] They have the opportunity to do that. But 90% of them

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[00:30:51] Mooch Smith: you really want to make changes in their lives, the state needs to invest in, and I'm not a big tax guy, but hell [00:31:00] I would, I would say, take, take a bigger portion to do this, take these kids and move them out of where they're from.

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[00:31:25] Repeat until you find a job. Once you find a job, then you got to pay for the apartment and it's going to be low-income or whatever you want to call it. Yeah. You know, and if you screw up there, if you fail a drug test, or if you don't go to work or you commit a crime, then we're done with you. That makes a lot of sense.

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[00:32:00] Then they would go to school at night and they cut that program. So that, that eliminated a program that we have that no one else has. Oh, then they slowly and they use COVID as an excuse. They use other things. They cut our numbers. So kids that would usually go to nasal or now going to green hill in a maximum security prison, which is a whole different animal.

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[00:32:24] Jeff Nesbitt: by little justifying.

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[00:32:44] Jeff Nesbitt: just for the money, I guess

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[00:32:47] Cause the state's got

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[00:32:50] Mooch Smith: That's exactly right. And, and they sell has always been kind of like the redheaded stepchild of the juvenile programs of

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[00:33:01] People forget about us and it's not a voting base. And the voting base that's here is locally red and that's not very, uh, very red in recent

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[00:33:24] really grays Harbor county now because it's shrunk, no mills, no logging, no nothing. And it wouldn't even, well, hell you could lose every, every vote from almost every county in Southern Cal. Every county east of the mountains, and you got to want about four and you win the governors county,

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[00:33:43] Mooch Smith: you win.

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[00:34:02] Well, they did that on purpose. They did it on purpose because the lack of numbers, they were overstaffed. They thought theirs makes no sense.

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[00:34:11] Mooch Smith: purpose.

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[00:34:20] It still feels like

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[00:34:24] Mooch Smith: on the chopping block and then the budget. I don't know how exactly how it works, but we were on the budget. Uh, we weren't on the budget that the governor's got assigned. And so we fought, they fought, they fought and then we got back on.

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[00:34:46] Jeff Nesbitt: that's how it

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[00:34:58] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Is that going to hurt [00:35:00] the soul? It's going

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[00:35:05] Jeff Nesbitt: a large portion of the income for most.

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[00:35:21] Or you

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[00:35:24] Mooch Smith: No, you don't even do that. You go somewhere else. It's not a lot. There's not a lot of opportunities. It's not, it's not a hundred, 150 employees worth it there.

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[00:35:40] Yeah. But

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[00:36:04] Jeff Nesbitt: they need to pay more.

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[00:36:13] I don't know what it was, but I like mark Cuban. I do too. Yeah. People are not going our, our generation is not going mostly as they get a job, they're going to make it a career. They're free agents. That's how he put it. He quoted that they're free agents. They care more about their happiness than they do making it a career.

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[00:37:07] It's especially a little below us because I mean, you were raised kind of the same way. I was hard work. Lots of it. Hard work. Um,

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[00:37:23] Mooch Smith: things.

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[00:37:45] Yeah. And that's where, I mean, he used an example of a guy that, , did port-a-potties. So he started out with a truck and he was sucking turds out of a port-a-potty and then eventually he got good enough and he got big enough where heck he could buy [00:38:00] port-a-potties and now he makes over a million dollars a year find a niche that no one else wants to do.

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[00:38:07] Jeff Nesbitt: I think people have trouble with that just because they're not always easy to see. And it takes a really just intuitive mind to say recognize that stuff.

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[00:38:26] Everybody needs electricity. I mean, last time I checked there's 5 million jobs that are like that, that we need to fill in this country. Yeah. And they're good. I mean, they make way more way more than I do as a teacher. Oh. Plumbers are very highly paid. Yeah. And, and I mean, if you go to, I was helping a kid that wanted to be electrician, so he stopped by my classroom and we kind of looked over stuff.

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[00:39:01] Jeff Nesbitt: of school. Isn't that crazy? When we were in high school, it was before it seems like before anyone really realized that not everybody needs to go to regular liberal arts college, it seems like that's kind of become norm now, everyone, but that's all they told us, like, you need to go to college.

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[00:39:20] Mooch Smith: don't know that's the thing. And, and the whole sane, you know, work smarter, not harder. I hate that saying, I hate that saying too,

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[00:39:31] Mooch Smith: because it pushes, that was the main push to get them to college. Yeah. College ain't for everybody.

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[00:40:07] Because if you're working, if you're trying to provide for yourself, I don't care what you do. It's honorable. Very, and, but the thing about it is I think a person that works at McDonald's no disrespect to that person should not make the same as a brain. Yeah. You know what I'm and that this isn't communist Russia.

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[00:40:35] Jeff Nesbitt: too, people are so different. We need to have ability to make, we need to make it possible for people to make a living in what they're good at. Yeah. So the McDonald's person, maybe they don't need to be paid as same as a brain surgeon, but they should definitely be paid enough to pay their rent, but,

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[00:40:50] Yeah. . They are investing in themselves by getting paid by the employer. . And now here's the thing, here's the thing that separates a lot of people from the [00:41:00] minority of people they don't look at it like that. They don't, they're happy with the status quo. They need to become in my mind. Okay.

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[00:41:20] Jeff Nesbitt: more money. And you wouldn't even be able to not think like that because how you're wired. Yeah.

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[00:41:35] And those kids, man, they're a lot smarter than you think. And I saw, I teach sixth graders and sophomores history and both of them, and I was shocked in a different way. Of course, you got sixth graders, like what? Wow. What's that? And, and so they're more like they have no idea where sophomores kind of have an idea.

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[00:42:09] Jeff Nesbitt: Or at least strategic. Yeah. Competitive, competitive.

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[00:42:32] I had to have a spot and the higher up on the hierarchy. It was the better, but isn't that competitive? Exactly. But, but on an, on a level of like a day-to-day competitiveness, once I had that spot, I was just worried about maintaining it and making sure that I, I was, you know, meeting my responsibilities.

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[00:42:54] Jeff Nesbitt: is in a way, but I never would have, if Ned would have thrown me in football, I would have been like, take that shit back. I don't want it. [00:43:00] I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have wanted that competition because at that point, it, the juice ain't worth the squeeze to me, all that pressure and all that responsibility.

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[00:43:19] Mooch Smith: with, like you say, and I think I saw you play. I mean, that was a long time ago.

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[00:43:56] Mooch Smith: You gotta find, you gotta find something that makes you that [00:44:00] way. Yeah. You know, and like, I, I, I told him, I go, even a job interview, you don't think about love job interviews, but you're competing against somebody else for that

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[00:44:09] Yeah. That actually, I I'll take that back. I am competitive in that way. Yeah. That is something because it's a realm that I understand. That's actually proving your point. Exactly. These kids need to be ushered into their skillsets so that they can be competitive. Yeah. You don't want to make a fish, do a tree climbing competition.

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[00:44:40] That's true. That's true. And the balls or something like that.

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[00:44:45] Mooch Smith: an accident. He deserves it. All right. It's still, but I mean, if you want to be a, if you want to be a owner of a construction business, you're going to beat out those other construction business because he going to get you more money, beat them in price, beat him in and, [00:45:00] um, quality of work stuff like you want.

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[00:45:11] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. It's not always in your face. Yeah. Yeah. You do need it to get through life. You really do. You're right. You're completely right.

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[00:45:23] Um, and I'm not saying they should not get help at all. I I'm a big, I'm a big believer that, you know,

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[00:45:33] Mooch Smith: I, yeah, I do. But when you've, now I'm not saying that it shouldn't be reformed. Some of those programs, when I learned more, how to cheat the system, working at the youth camp than I ever thought, I didn't even know.

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[00:46:02] They go out and sell it because their name's not even on the card for $400 to help them with their habit. Yeah. That ain't right. No, and that, and that's in the sense, like, to me, because I'm a history teacher, when Roosevelt came out with those plans, people weren't supposed to take them or are, or no, sorry.

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[00:46:40] Jeff Nesbitt: the new deal.

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[00:47:04] security,

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[00:47:06] And he created this. So security act, nobody made it to 65 back then.

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[00:47:14] Mooch Smith: and, and so no one was supposed to make, because the average age was probably about 60 or whatever back then.

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[00:47:46] Mooch Smith: and, and, and here's, and, and I say that not, not to be mean because I am not being mean. I think that system should be there.

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[00:47:55] Mooch Smith: the greater good. And I think that system should be there, but I think it should be [00:48:00] there. Okay. Jeff, you're a husband. You're a father. Same with me. If we lost, if my wife and I lost our job, , it would be very hard for me to take any handout. I would be the 1938 or , you know, person like, no, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do something.

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[00:48:43] Jeff Nesbitt: to work.

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[00:48:53] Mooch Smith: before

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[00:49:00] It's, it's, it's a really in a roundabout way. Redistribution of wealth. So

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[00:49:08] Jeff Nesbitt: I am. Um, I just started a new political party. You can join if you want. It's called gun. Toting

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[00:49:21] It's her choice. I, I do not care about that, but, taxes, uh, military guns, gun toting liberal. Yeah. That's and that's the problem we face today. Cause everything's so polarized. We've got, it's not a Reagan versus a Kennedy anymore where we could go. It's so much worse, you know, Reagan and well, they didn't run against each other, but if you look at Reagan Kennedy, you go, um,

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[00:49:52] Yeah. It was still that way in the early two thousands,

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[00:50:03] Jeff Nesbitt: policies are really not that much different, but now, now the echo chambers were developed and it's just like, people live in different realities.

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[00:50:14] Mooch Smith: It's very hard. And media media, this is why, I mean, what you're doing is awesome. I think you're doing, I love Joe Rogan. Me too,

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[00:50:26] Mooch Smith: and he's not.

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[00:50:31] And then that's the news that I want, Walter Walter Cronkite again, I want unbiased

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[00:50:38] Mooch Smith: read the story. Yeah. And then go on. Yeah. You know, I don't, and, and people get brainwashed on both sides that they watch MSNBC and it plays for hours.

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[00:50:53] Jeff Nesbitt: no, not anymore is so fucking weird. The way, the amount of editorial opinion that goes into the news [00:51:00] stories feels just disgusting to me. I can't even watch that. And I used,

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[00:51:06] This is, I mean, I've been a teacher for nine years. This is in the last nine years. Like I used to tell my, well, I still do. If you're going to watch. Go to, if you're going to watch Fox news now, after you've heard that story five times go watch MSNBC or BBC, or

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[00:51:27] Mooch Smith: Well, just go watch and watch.

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[00:51:40] Jeff Nesbitt: And, and that's what we're real life is. Yeah. That's definitely not what they're talking about.

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[00:51:52] A lot of people care

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[00:51:59] Mooch Smith: don't, we don't have a [00:52:00] test or anything, so they don't care.

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[00:52:11] People would actually use their minds, but they'd be way harder to control

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[00:52:26] I hell I have, I have more political debates with my wife than anybody else just because I can trust her. Not because she loves you. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly right. And like kids ask all the time, what's your political beliefs. Well, it's not my job to tell you who to vote for.

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[00:52:47] Jeff Nesbitt: going to bring up your Dell

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[00:52:51] Jeff Nesbitt: Trudeau nobody did because he was doing his job. Yeah, he was dude, that guy is the shit. Yeah. He taught the information in context [00:53:00] with, from both sides somehow and he never let his personal political opinions come through, even though I will directly ask him.

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[00:53:13] Mooch Smith: Well, I just, and I that's how I Tridel teaching style is how I learn if you're monotone lecture to how it was, but he had he throughs, but he would put jokes in. Yeah. He would put jokes.

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[00:53:36] Jeff Nesbitt: too much engagement, and I'm just like, this is stupid. I'm not I'm I'm that way too. Yeah. I don't even like to look at the speaker. I just want to, I want to have my head down on my paper.

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[00:53:50] Mooch Smith: It's amazing when I was in college. So I had education classes and I had history classes,

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[00:53:58] Mooch Smith: central. And, [00:54:00] um, the history teachers would just be monotone and just write. And I would write probably eight pages of notes a day.

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[00:54:34] Jeff Nesbitt: small groups and like that.

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[00:54:46] Jeff Nesbitt: We're a lot more like, than I realized I had to take some education classes just because I was, well, I was going to be a teacher and I decided not to be, thank God.

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[00:55:12] And you can't really do that when you're teaching first grade, I actually had a first grade teaching job lined up. I was hired in Memphis, Tennessee, and I didn't have enough money to make my living situation last till the job started. So I just turned it down and went, started killing weeds again.

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[00:55:28] Mooch Smith: Well, Hey, you do a hell of a job with that.

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[00:55:47] Mooch Smith: No, that's the one good thing at teaching. They sell it's we got a great staff and it almost reminds me now. I don't know what the staff was when I was a kid in school [00:56:00] because we just never, there were teachers there and we never talked about on a personal level or most of them, but a. And they sell, reminds me of kind of, when we went to high school, just the kids wise, you always had the kids that were there that you could tell were gonna go to college.

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[00:56:35] It's just a good place to work, you know, respectful, nice kids and a

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[00:56:51] So our kids are getting lonely. They're having a hard time making friends and Sawyer, especially just cause he's kinda quiet at school. And his teachers were starting to let us know, like he [00:57:00] doesn't really talk the entire day. No,

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[00:57:09] Jeff Nesbitt: he's yeah, he's just observing that's really is what it was.

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[00:57:33] I've got its problems, you know, as they all do, but while

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[00:57:37] Jeff Nesbitt: double us. Exactly. You know, so, and they're in a smaller league than when we were there. There, the sports are a lot better or a lot more fun. Uh, and they win a lot more

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[00:57:51] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't know about that.

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[00:57:52] Mooch Smith: does that LACO when I meet with them once a month, but walk away, plays in the Pacific. So they play the cost as they play the [00:58:00] valleys and uh, oh shoot, chief less shy. And those schools and that's pretty easy league except for valley valleys. With Wako shout out valley and Raymond and south bend.

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[00:58:26] Jeff Nesbitt: And so I don't understand why the fuck we were in that week. Why were we there? Well, we

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[00:58:33] Jeff Nesbitt: we never won.

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[00:58:39] Mooch Smith: we were, we were to a, our freshmen sophomore year where you were two way. So that's when we were playing Woodland was center. Well, why did we suck so bad? Well, Woodland and the center and, and Richfield and whites.

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[00:58:52] Jeff Nesbitt: salmon. Probably the same size. Why don't we have equal skill

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[00:59:06] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I'm actually excited about that. Is that a good thing or bad? Oh, that's a great

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[00:59:09] That's what I thought I am 100.

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[00:59:17] Mooch Smith: 100 in support of that, because here's the thing you're talking.

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[00:59:21] Mooch Smith: center. Yeah. And. To my understanding while they're at least they're going to offer gyms.

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[00:59:28] Jeff Nesbitt: and outs of

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[00:59:47] We are going to start being right on the same lines as what those schools have. Oh yeah. So we have weak and have Jeff the same exact coaching [01:00:00] ability of our coaches as anybody else. Hell, I would put Matt Blair just to go back to our time or no, I'll just take what I have Billy Olson, uh, kosha with kayaking for 30 years.

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[01:00:39] Yeah. I'm going to start taking my kid twice a week. Uh, probably next year to Bellevue. Wow. Every, every week just for skills, work skills, work, foot speed stuff. And they produced you look at their pedigree, BSN sports. I think it's called something like that. They'd BSN nutrition. No, it's um, I think it's BSN, but anyways, blue in yellow it's [01:01:00] same colors as we were in high school, but, uh, they've produced all the D one talent in the Seattle area.

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[01:01:11] Jeff Nesbitt: I was just talking about this with Melissa the other day. So we have Elsa, Elsa is doing pretty well in track. She had her first official track meet for junior high. Yeah. Just the other day.

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[01:01:34] Mooch Smith: years old. So what you did there is what I do with my son.

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[01:02:00] What did I do? I found this health