Check out our live stream on Rumble, Fridays at 8am.

### 📚 Education and Funding:

We kick off the episode with a deep dive into educational curriculum and funding. Steve Palmer, Norm Murdock, and Brett Johnson explore the intricacies of conditional study requirements and teacher certifications. They also discuss how funding tied to approved curricula serves as a control lever.

### 🛡️ Secret Service Failures:

The discussion shifts to recent Secret Service perimeter control failures, emphasizing the need for a paradigm shift from reactive to proactive measures. We talk about incidents involving assassination attempts and the resource limitations faced by the Secret Service.

### 🇺🇸 Presidential Protections and Global Threats:

We cover the heightened protection detail provided to Trump, now on par with President Biden's, and mention threats against Trump and Mike Pompeo. The hosts reflect on societal polarization and how extreme rhetoric could push individuals towards violence.

### 💹 Government and Economy:

A heated debate ensues over government control versus market control of interest rates, particularly close to election times. Are these tactics political maneuvering or necessary interventions?

### ⚖️ Electoral College, Gerrymandering, and Redistricting:

We talk about the checks and balances within the U.S. electoral system, including the Electoral College and Supreme Courts. Discussions include the controversial topic of gerrymandering and the potential constitutional amendment for redistricting by unelected bodies.

### 🌟 Local Politics and Migrant Communities:

Norm brings up the issue of Haitian migrants in Springfield, Ohio, highlighting the lack of infrastructure and communication. We discuss the local community’s reactions, ranging from economic concerns to humanitarian perspectives.

### 🎾 Celebrating Female Sports:

We pay tribute to Billie Jean King, set to receive a congressional medal for her role in advancing female sports. We reflect on female sports stars, mixed-gender competitions, and the differences in risk-taking behaviors between men and women.

### 🎼 Justice and Legal Topics:

Our new segment, "Justice for All," will focus on police, justice, and legal discussions. Stay tuned as we continue to explore essential topics affecting our community.

### 🗳️ Issue 1 - Redistricting Reform:

For Ohioans, the upcoming ballot measure aims to change the redistricting process. Should an unelected committee appointed by retired judges control this, or is the current system sufficient?

### 🌐 Tune In Live on Rumble:

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### 💡 Remarkable Encounters and Recommendations:

- Steve Palmer shares an uplifting courthouse experience with a retired law enforcement officer.

- Norm's Wonderful Thing of the Week: Heartland Institute's annual banquet featuring Nigel Farage.

Common Sense Moments

00:00 Segments include news, history, and new outrages.

07:29 Women excel in non-physical and motorized sports.

13:37 Springfield's population increased by integrating Haitian immigrants.

18:36 Bomb threats hoaxes; likely from overseas.

24:57 Ohio redistricting to citizen committee if approved.

31:18 Potential retroactive minimum wage hike could affect businesses.

32:39 Ohio budget allocates 4M for non-public school refurbishing.

39:25 Secret Service criticized after second assassination attempt.

43:26 Interest rates debate near election puts markets off.

51:12 Competency impacts trial; education may restore competence.

55:29 Ohio State shootings rising; police hesitancy increases.

58:24 Support Israel, but criticize tactics harming civilians.

01:05:02 Retired lawman spreads cheer with Bible cards.

Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.

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Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

Steve Palmer [: 00:00:00

Alright. I think we're live. Ready to rumble on Rumble. Common Sense Ohio coming at you from Ohio with all sorts of common sense, not just Ohio news, national news. We got lots of stuff coming your way. For those who have not followed the show, now you can. We are commonsenseohioshow.com. What do we do? Well, we bring common sense to to all the issues that we are facing day in and day out. And why Ohio? Well, 1, we're in Ohio. And 2, because Ohio is the launching pad for the world. If you didn't know that, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. We are the heartland right from the middle, as I like to say, in Ohio. So

Norm Murdock [: 00:00:36

After Virginia, the most presidents of any state, the 6th largest population state, Ohio's got it going on.

Steve Palmer [: 00:00:45

They got it going on. And it used to be that so goes Ohio, so goes the presidency. I think that's, you know, Ohio's it looks like we're going, We're pretty red. We're going red this year. But Yeah. Look, it's sort of like everybody else that you've got, 2 huge blue dots or maybe 3 now. 3.

Brett Johnson [: 00:00:59

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:00:59

Yeah. And then the rest of it is, like, one big red blob.

Norm Murdock [: 00:01:03

Mhmm. It ain't over till it's over.

Steve Palmer [: 00:01:05

It is not over till it's over. So, I mean, look, for those who haven't followed the show, we're gonna do a couple different segments. We're gonna do a quick little what happened on this day in history, and then we got news with Norm Justice for all, and then wonderful outrage, a new segment we're gonna start doing. But, you know, this date in history, I was sticking to World War 2 forever. Why? Because I like World War 2. I found it, sort of fascinating. I think, if you study World War 2 history, you realize World War 2 is still probably being fought on some level, and, it is sort of framed what is going on in our world in a in a large way. And as they say, those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it. But we're gonna expand it, 1, because I get tired talking about World War 2 all the time, and 2, because I think there's other stuff that's interesting. So this day in history, on September 20, 1973, the highly publicized Battle of the Sexes, a tennis match from top women's player, Billie Jean King, who at that time was 29 years old and sort of at the peak of of her game. Oh, yeah. Takes on Bobby Riggs, sort of the self proclaimed chauvinist who I think I wheeled in on a chariot pulled by some hot chicks, in in this you know, this thing was like a circus, and, she defeated him.

Norm Murdock [: 00:02:11

And he he was he was well past his prime.

Steve Palmer [: 00:02:14

Oh, yeah. He fought by the pro in his own life.

Norm Murdock [: 00:02:16

He had been he had been a a top male professional tennis player for a lengthy time, and he boasted that he could beat Billie Jean. And Billie Jean King said, bring it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:02:29

Bring it. Yeah. And he brought it and she beat him.

Norm Murdock [: 00:02:32

Oh, she beat him decisively.

Steve Palmer [: 00:02:34

Now why why did I pick this fact? Well, because this is you know, it was it was a it was a good, victory for Billie Jean. And I think it it made a statement, I think, for women in general. And at that point, that statement was probably much needed.

Norm Murdock [: 00:02:44

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:02:45

But what's interesting is Billie Jean King sort of come out against this idea of trans men or or men who think they're women playing in the women's arena on in professional sports, even though she's the one who beat, Riggs in this tennis match, this highly publicized tennis match. Anybody who's ever seen the interview of McEnroe, John McEnroe, I think, was on the Today Show or or one of the morning shows Mhmm. Where they asked him who the greatest tennis player of all time was, and he I forget who he named, but it wasn't a woman. You know, like, well, not not, Venus or Serena?

Norm Murdock [: 00:03:15

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:03:16

And he's, like, no. No. She's great, but you asked me the greatest of all time. Are we talking, like, the greatest men's player or the greatest women's player? Right. And they're, like, why can't the greatest women's player be the greatest of all time? And he's like, well, look. What do you want me to tell you here? The you take any of the top men's players in their prime against any of the top women's player in the prime, and they will defeat it it won't even be a close match. And then, later on, I think, Serena I I think it was Serena was getting interviewed on one of the night shows or the the talk shows at night. And she said that. She's like, look, this is stupid. There's no I mean, it just it's just a different game that the men play than the women play.

Norm Murdock [: 00:03:51

For sure.

Steve Palmer [: 00:03:51

And, you know, and I and now, Billie Jean is sort of getting some blowback after being this avant garde figure in in female sports that was, I think, nest like I said, sort of a a big victory at that time.

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:05

Yes.

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:05

And now they're discounting her because she doesn't agree that men should be able to compete with women.

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:10

Well, she she has always been classy. She had Billie Jean King. Even after defeating Bobby Riggs, she didn't roll around in a pile of glitter and, brag about it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:22

And as as I understand, he didn't like, he he took it graciously as well.

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:26

Oh, yeah. And, you know, I think it was a good lesson, you know, in in, you know, watching your excessive zeal, get get away from you. But at the same time, she understood the context of of beating him. Mhmm. She wasn't beating Jimmy Connors, you know, or John McEnroe.

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:44

And she couldn't have.

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:45

Yeah. So she didn't roll

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:46

At that time.

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:47

Right. She didn't roll around and she wasn't nonsensical about it. She was pretty matter of fact. And, yeah, you're you're correct about this, about her courage, because she is a out of the closet lesbian and, for her to take the position, because people try to cram all these LGBTQ So you're this so

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:09

you must believe this otherwise we cancel you.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:11

Right. We're all one big matrix and we all agree, you know, intersectionally on everything, you know. And she's like and she and, you know, people like Caitlyn Jenner are like, well, no. Actually, we're individual people with our own opinions about about the legitimacy of men playing in female sports. Yep. And that's ridiculous. And she she's correct. And so is Caitlyn Jenner.

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:35

And there's, you know, going back to Riggs too. It's like there's this you said that he accepted or I think we talked about he accepted a gracious

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:41

They became friends.

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:42

You know, they did. Right? Yeah. Yeah. But there's a there's a there's an old saying that pride comes before the fall.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:47

Right? Of course.

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:48

And Right. And it's such a maybe we'll I'll get to saw a story later when we wrap this up. But, you know, pride is such a, such a dangerous, vicious sin.

Brett Johnson [: 00:05:56

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:56

And if you read CS Lewis Mere Christianity, he's got a whole chapter dedicated to pride. And and and what and if you read the New Testament, there's lots of talk about how important it is just to be humble. Right? Just be humble.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:07

Yes.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:07

It's always becoming to be humble. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:10

Be surprised when you achieve victory, you know, be humble.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:13

It takes thought to be you can't fake it. Right. You have to think through it. Yeah. But, anyway, that's the fact of the day. And, from there, we're gonna

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:21

May I just add that this that this week, I think, gosh, I I I don't know if it came out of the White House or it came out of, speaker Johnson office, but they are awarding, Billie Jean King a congressional medal, I think, of freedom, I think is what it is, for her contributions to advancing, female sports.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:46

Yeah. That's awesome.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:47

That's fantastic.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:48

Look, I love female sports. I think it ought to exist. I think it ought to exist safely.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:52

By the way.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:53

I always have. Right? Right. But, it's,

Brett Johnson [: 00:06:57

it's a it's a different game that they play and Not it's not inferior. Exactly. It's not. It's different. It's and it's just different, and it's fun to watch. So As it is the men's game of any sport.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:09

If you've been watching, who's the pro ball player? The the, what's her name from,

Brett Johnson [: 00:07:13

Oh, the Indiana Yeah. Caitlin? Caitlin.

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:15

Yeah. Oh, I've watched the highlights.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:17

She's like Larry Bird, man. She's she is it's

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:19

like Phenomenal. She's fun. And they have

Brett Johnson [: 00:07:21

a league of great players.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:23

They do. Now they're

Brett Johnson [: 00:07:24

in the spotlight that they're really good in. And you didn't pay attention to it before.

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:29

I will just throw out there that in sports and other kinds of activities like what like chess or or whatever, in sports that do not require, a major physical fitness component where your body structure is from birth different and then that determines, you know, your ability to build up your body, say for wrestling or basketball or whatever, that women excel in in in in a variety of, motorized sports. One of the best acrobatic pilots in the world, is Patty Wagstaff, for example. I mean, she's right up there with any of the World War 2 guys or or Korean War guys that go to these, you know, now it would be Vietnam era. But any of these military pilots that do these shows at at you know, that do air shows and acrobatic maneuvers, she's just the top of the drawer.

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:28

Well, now now we gotta talk about something. Because, look, there there's, I think, a more interesting discussion than than saying that, the best male tennis player would lose to the best female it's like a more interesting discussion to me is what you just brought up. Where do we draw the line? Sure. Because it is, like, say, competitive archery or competitive, shooting. Annie Oakley. Duathlons.

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:49

Annie Oakley was the best shot of her day. She outshot Buffalo Bill at Buffalo Bill's own shows.

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:57

So the the better the better argument to me or the better discussion to me would be like, alright. Can women, should we allow men to compete with women in those kind of sports or vice versa? Or should we just combine those? Or should we have 2 different leagues, 1 for men, 1 for women? I can see virtue in all those.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:10

Yes.

Brett Johnson [: 00:09:10

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:13

You know, it doesn't make any difference. Mhmm. You know, if I I think there's a lot of things that men do, cohesively as a as a brotherhood or a club or whatever. And I think there's a lot of women women do as a sisterhood or a club or whatever. Yeah. That, so you have women leagues in ski shooting or men's leagues in ski shooting or maybe mixed. I can totally see those arguments. Those are better arguments to me. And then you get to things like race car driving or pilots.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:35

That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:35

And I've always I've sort of listened to various discussions on this, but you wonder why they're mostly male dominated. And then just as you were talking there, it's like, I talk to people upstairs in my conference room all the time, young men who are in trouble.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:49

Steve's a lawyer.

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:50

I'm an attorney. I represent folks charged with crimes, and I I sort of fascinated how people come to end up in my office. And, you know, men particularly, me included, when I was in my teens twenties, I was a jackass. And as I tell my clients, you're a jackass. The problem is you don't know it. Yeah. And I was a jackass, and I didn't know it. Yeah. Meaning, we I took unnecessarily stupid risks all the time.

Brett Johnson [: 00:10:12

And that's how young men are wired.

Steve Palmer [: 00:10:14

That's how we're wired. There's a reason we send our young our young men to go fight wars because this part of the brain, the free free frontal free free prefrontal cortex isn't yet developed. And and, you know, for me, it was like 28. The light comes on and I'm like, yeah. This this is stupid. I'm not gonna do this anymore.

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:31

Let me take the vodka bottle off the dashboard.

Steve Palmer [: 00:10:33

But my point my point is is this is a direct compliment to women. They don't suffer from that. They don't suffer as much as much for sure. This this inability to assess risks and do stupid things. And there's also probably the same reason why we have more men in prison, why why more more men commit suicide, why more men commit crimes. You know, that it's probably all related, and that can help explain short of, like, societal sexism. Why there's not more women doing these risky endeavors.

Norm Murdock [: 00:11:02

Yeah. And as we try to make women more and more like men, you know, with this social bias now that, you know, oh, you you know, you you've gotta you've gotta do man things. Women are increasingly, getting caught up in male behaviors.

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:18

Right. Well, they never wanna take on, like, the the they being the the the the cause oriented Yeah. People out there, the agenda people. They never wanna take on, like, what I consider the most admirable male traits, which is, like, quiet leadership, being responsible for yourself, taking care of your family, doing they always they always say, women should do whatever men do. So they should just go, you know, hook up all the time.

Norm Murdock [: 00:11:41

So they're going to prison.

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:42

Free and open sex

Norm Murdock [: 00:11:43

and doing numbers.

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:44

Act like men. If you're acting like a man doing those things, you're acting like a jackass and you don't even know. It's back to the same problem.

Norm Murdock [: 00:11:50

Exactly right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:51

We as men try to overcome the problems that they're trying to become.

Norm Murdock [: 00:11:54

And, traditionally, women

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:57

And I'm not saying women are trying to become that, but it seems like that's what they're being pushed to do.

Norm Murdock [: 00:12:00

Well, exactly. And and and women used to have the role of toning down male

Brett Johnson [: 00:12:06

behavior. I was thinking the same thing too is that that was their role, and it's like, come on, stupid. Don't be still you know, and and bring that 28 year old back to the 25 and, you know, or I should say, get rid of this. Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:12:18

We have all been married or are men. Right? Yeah. And your your woman We're all fathers here. Your wife makes you a better man.

Brett Johnson [: 00:12:26

Oh, yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:12:26

Very true.

Steve Palmer [: 00:12:27

Oh, yeah. It completes you as a man.

Norm Murdock [: 00:12:29

Very true.

Steve Palmer [: 00:12:29

So people say, why are you why be married? Blah blah blah. It's like, because it makes me a better man.

Norm Murdock [: 00:12:33

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:12:34

Right? Because it completes the other half, the half that I'm missing.

Norm Murdock [: 00:12:36

That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:12:37

And and I I I firmly believe that. And I think the opposite is also true. It is. So, anyway Yeah. That's my Yeah. Fact of the day based on 1973, September 20. Thank you, Billie Jean King.

Brett Johnson [: 00:12:49

Yeah. And that's typically what you hear in the show. One piece of news, and we go down a rabbit hole.

Steve Palmer [: 00:12:53

Yeah. That's what that is a rabbit hole.

Brett Johnson [: 00:12:54

It's like, wait a minute. You started with Billie Jean King, and you wanna hear? Okay.

Norm Murdock [: 00:12:58

And now I have that Michael Jackson song Jackson song going around in my head

Brett Johnson [: 00:13:02

with a Billie Jean. Okay.

Steve Palmer [: 00:13:02

I mean, God almighty. You know?

Brett Johnson [: 00:13:03

What did you come in

Norm Murdock [: 00:13:03

last week with? Some other Oh, yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:13:06

Song that drove me nuts. Oh. I think it

Brett Johnson [: 00:13:08

was Journey.

Steve Palmer [: 00:13:08

Yes. No. It was

Norm Murdock [: 00:13:09

Steve Perry Oh, oh, Sherry. Yeah. It's exactly. Steve Perry. For god's sakes. Don't start that. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:13:17

Right. Alright. So here we go. Nor news with Norm. So what happens is Norm brings this long list of stories that we all comment on. We'll get through as many as we can before we have to wrap it up.

Norm Murdock [: 00:13:25

So so what is happening with this issue of the Haitian migrants in Springfield? It is now, you know, you now you got congressional investigating

Steve Palmer [: 00:13:36

Springfield, Ohio, I should have.

Norm Murdock [: 00:13:37

Springfield, Ohio. Yes. Not the one on Homer Simpson's show. This is the real Springfield. More and more people are investigating the facts surrounding this program. And the astounding statistic that came out of Congress this week is that it isn't just 20,000 some odd not sure the number, but around 20,000 in Springfield, which used to be a city of 60,000. We're adding the 20,000 makes it an 80,000, city. But it's not just 20,000. 731,000 Haitians have been paroled by president Biden and vice president Harris into the United States since them taking office. And at least 227 of these parole airline flights as well as other methodologies to get poor Haitians who definitely are facing an economic nightmare in their home country bringing them to the United States. And I don't recall anybody voting on this. I don't recall

Steve Palmer [: 00:14:46

Well, this is the problem.

Norm Murdock [: 00:14:47

Transparency in how they got allocated, why you would drop 20,000 of 20,000 of them in a city of 60,000, I don't care if they're Norwegians or Cincinnadians or people from Cleveland. You can't just take 20,000 people from anywhere and drop it into a city of 60 1,000.

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:08

And and exactly the infrastructure to cover it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:15:10

We have one ER room at at one hospital with an ER room for the whole city of Springfield. Imagine you dump 20,000 new people there.

Brett Johnson [: 00:15:20

Yeah. I mean, to your point I mean they yeah. Yeah. Yes. The city has to modify itself to understand what's going on. But, again, to to your point, I don't think 20,000 was dropped in there. But 20,000 are there. I you know, Grant, I I'm not disputing that.

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:37

So there was a there

Brett Johnson [: 00:15:38

was a

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:39

group that came and then more came after that.

Norm Murdock [: 00:15:40

More came

Brett Johnson [: 00:15:40

in and they pulled them in. But very fast. Very fast. Very fast. Very fast.

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:44

Yeah. So you wonder. So here

Brett Johnson [: 00:15:46

But then the city can't handle it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:47

This the infrastructure is not there to handle it. And the reason the infrastructure is not there to handle is because nobody told anybody what was going on. Right. This is the problem with these kind of policies. If Biden and Harris think that this is the good thing to

Norm Murdock [: 00:15:58

do governor DeWine.

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:59

And DeWine. We'll get to him in a second.

Brett Johnson [: 00:16:00

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:01

But if if if our government if our executive branch thinks this is good, why didn't they tell us?

Brett Johnson [: 00:16:05

Exactly.

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:06

They think that it's okay and it's the best thing to do. Why not tell us? Roger.

Brett Johnson [: 00:16:09

If they

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:09

think that this is what the this best for the world, why not tell us and make your case?

Brett Johnson [: 00:16:13

Because if it's going to happen and you're designing this, then that it it needs to be help ahead of time.

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:17

And then you can plan for it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:16:18

Exactly. And that's perfectly fine.

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:20

Look, it may well be They'll

Brett Johnson [: 00:16:22

they'll be They'll they'll be for it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:23

They're bringing Haitians to the United States is a good humanitarian thing to do because they're the squalor that they're facing at home, whatever it is, I don't know, but I hear it's terrible. It may be that there was a very good thing. We've brought in immigrants in this country for years years years, but not in secret. Like, this is like this Well, no. Sort of the midnight delivery.

Norm Murdock [: 00:16:39

It should have been it should have been debated and rehashed and proven that it's a good idea.

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:44

Make your case. And if your case can't be made in public, it can't be made anywhere. Right. And that's the problem.

Brett Johnson [: 00:16:49

And and help those cities that you're going to do this with. And, yes, there's employers there that couldn't find workers. And now they have them to to and and and now That's

Steve Palmer [: 00:17:00

a good thing in the long run.

Brett Johnson [: 00:17:01

It is. But to your point, there was no development to help the infrastructure to to to help that.

Steve Palmer [: 00:17:07

And and, you know, they're you you hear the criticism of the citizens of Springfield complaining about this, but you know what? They have a they have a beef. They have an argument. Oh, sure. We woke up today, and now we have this.

Norm Murdock [: 00:17:18

And they're not white citizens of Springfield. It's everybody

Steve Palmer [: 00:17:22

of Springfield.

Norm Murdock [: 00:17:23

Everybody It is it is is a diverse community that is saying, what the hell have you done to us?

Steve Palmer [: 00:17:29

Right. We didn't get a say so here.

Norm Murdock [: 00:17:30

And and so I have a a friend that owns a factory in Springfield, and I talked to her yesterday. And she said, yeah. We've hired 2 Haitians. They're wonderful workers. They're very reliable. They do not cause any problems. But the rents and and and the insurance rates for everybody in the community, including those Haitians, is off the chart now.

Steve Palmer [: 00:17:55

Because of supply and demand.

Norm Murdock [: 00:17:56

Supply and demand. If there were a finite number of apartments and

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:00

Look. Yeah. Like everything

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:02

Like everything.

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:02

I always want to follow the money. Who's making money? Exactly. Who owns the land that's gonna have or that's that they're gonna build housing on? Who owns the land that are there who owns the apartments that they're placing these people in? Like, follow the money. I I and somebody go do that, please. Because we don't do we haven't done

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:17

it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:18

The other thing that has come out and, Vivek, Ramaswami had a meeting there, last night. Another thing that has come out, is according to Ohio's BCI, Bureau of Criminal Investigation.

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:32

Yeah. Identification identification or identification. BCINIs.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:36

They they have looked and the FBI have looked at these bomb threats that supposedly were stoked by JD Vance and Trump making comments about this at the debate. And governor DeWine said after investigation, all 33 are hoaxes that came from overseas. They were not from people in Springfield. They were not ginned up by Vance and and, and and Trump. And if anything, they won't tell us what country they came from, but I'm just gonna guess they came from Iran or Russia because, clearly, somebody is trying to make it look as if JD JD and and Trump people really caused this chaos.

Brett Johnson [: 00:19:21

That's right. Outside outside country is messing with us.

Norm Murdock [: 00:19:24

And Biden and and DeWine is no friend of Donald Trump. And he said it's utter bullshit.

Brett Johnson [: 00:19:30

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:19:30

It was there 33 calls. He said 33 hopes.

Brett Johnson [: 00:19:34

And it's and I'm glad that we have figured this out as quickly as we did. Yeah. That and it's known, I I think, because How known is

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:40

it, though? Did did doctor McGeorge?

Brett Johnson [: 00:19:41

At least we're knowing about it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:42

Yeah. We know

Brett Johnson [: 00:19:43

about it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:19:43

But it's not known on MSNBC or CNN because if they're

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:46

not because it's inconsistent.

Norm Murdock [: 00:19:48

The the you know, or The View, they're running with it as if, oh, this was caused.

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:53

Right. And that's why Trump got shot or No. That's why there was yet another assassination.

Brett Johnson [: 00:19:56

That that's how they're connecting the dots.

Norm Murdock [: 00:19:58

That's how they're connecting the dots. Sure.

Brett Johnson [: 00:20:00

Which they're they're allowed to, but it's that's not the greatest connection.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:03

Look. I support their right to be wrong. Sure.

Brett Johnson [: 00:20:07

Yeah. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:07

Yeah. Although Gavin Newsom, just signed, some kind of a bill. In California, evidently, you're not allowed to do, sarcasm or parody.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:17

He wants to eliminate memes.

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:18

He wants to eliminate memes so that so that if somebody wants to do like that case in, in Akron where somebody did a fake police website with all kinds of outrageous stuff. It was a parody website, and they arrested the guy.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:34

Yeah. That one that one's a little different. I I I don't know the law. I just read the headline on Yeah. On the Newsom thing.

Brett Johnson [: 00:20:41

But still But still That's a first amendment. Right? You can you can be an asshole with a a meme.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:47

Exactly. I

Brett Johnson [: 00:20:48

mean, just

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:49

If it's just a meme on social media Come on. And they're trying to ban that. Now if it's, like, creating a fake police website, I can see a government interest in regulating that because it could create some chaos in in the operation of the police force. That would be the argument. Not saying that was true, not saying it wasn't true.

Brett Johnson [: 00:21:03

Well, I

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:03

could see them enforcing their copyright, like, you know, the bad force

Steve Palmer [: 00:21:07

a copyright. You you can make

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:08

it There are ways to deal with it Yeah. Without crushing his free case. His first amendment.

Steve Palmer [: 00:21:13

Now if if you're if if the case here is that they just don't like your meme because it's making fun of them.

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:19

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:21:19

Well, then that that's insanity.

Brett Johnson [: 00:21:20

It's mean.

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:21

It's mean. And I've even heard so I'm very pro Israel, although I wrote a a rather scathing blog that's gonna come up, after the show on this, exploding device thing. I'm not in favor of that. But I'm very pro Israel and and they are, like, currently, there is this thing where if you're an anti Semite and you say something right?

Steve Palmer [: 00:21:47

Is your pager gonna blow up?

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:48

It should be I'm sorry. I'm turning

Steve Palmer [: 00:21:50

it off. You missed it. You missed it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:52

Yeah. Right. You should.

Brett Johnson [: 00:21:53

Should it blow up?

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:54

But there is this there's this there's this talk going around in conservative circles, that I'm just as against as I I would be if it was woke circles. And that is the idea that if somebody spouts anti Semitism, that their rights to speak should be shut down. The ACLU used to represent Klansmen and skinheads and neo Nazis and their right to to spew their filth, and it is filth, and and to march and to wear their stupid white hats and all that bullshit. And and I'm like, no. If somebody wants to use antisemitism on campus peacefully and have their signs and their meetings, let let the antiseptic function of bringing it out into the sunlight operate.

Steve Palmer [: 00:22:44

Look, I mean, these these are these are classic arguments for free speech. Exactly. These idiots are ruining it. And the ace and the ACLU, look, I they become partisan.

Brett Johnson [: 00:22:53

Yes.

Steve Palmer [: 00:22:54

And that's what it is. Right. There was a I'll tell you a story. There was a a lawyer in Columbus. His name was, Benson Wollman. And I was working on a case with Benson. I think he's an old ACLU guy, but on his wall, he had 2 framed items, I'll call them. 1 was a decision and a quill because he'd argued on behalf of the Nazis in the US Supreme Court.

Norm Murdock [: 00:23:16

Was a Jewish lawyer?

Steve Palmer [: 00:23:17

Jewish lawyer. The other was a poster of of him or or something, some some memorabilia from Auschwitz. And he says, I have both up there. One to remind me how we prevent the other.

Norm Murdock [: 00:23:29

Wonderful man.

Steve Palmer [: 00:23:31

You know, really incredible. Really incredible.

Norm Murdock [: 00:23:33

Understood the constitution. I mean, there is a guy he's a hero.

Steve Palmer [: 00:23:38

Yeah. Yeah. You know? Wow. And he saw that connection. It still it still gives me chills when he said that. It was just this moment, like, holy crap. Because both on their face are a paradox. But when you understand what's going on behind the scenes, it makes perfect sense.

Norm Murdock [: 00:23:51

It makes perfect sense.

Steve Palmer [: 00:23:52

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:23:53

I mean so at at any rate, some some real quick hits on Ohio news, and you guys jump in wherever you'd like. Frank LaRose, our secretary of state, confirmed he is one of 15 secondretaries of state that got a package of white powdery substance. And apparently, there's, you know, it's part of, trying to affect the election because secretaries of state around the country are in charge of putting on a fair hopefully, a fair and open election and, 15 Secretaries of State's offices were shut down while their various states investigated this, attack.

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:35

Are they delivered on a staggered basis? Because I thought he I don't know. I thought he had a heads up that it might become That

Norm Murdock [: 00:24:42

it might be.

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:42

Which which is fine, you know. But I thought they must have hit everybody. It wasn't a in concert every on the same day.

Norm Murdock [: 00:24:48

I don't know.

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:49

But at the same time Yeah. It hit us.

Norm Murdock [: 00:24:50

Was it a Unabomber thing where, like, one guy did it all?

Steve Palmer [: 00:24:54

Or Yeah. Right. Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:55

I don't know.

Steve Palmer [: 00:24:55

Yeah. Interesting.

Norm Murdock [: 00:24:57

Other thing. Issue 1, on the ballot, this coming election in November, in Ohio, is to convert from a voter elected group of people to redistrict, congressional districts and house districts, to a citizen's, committee. If the ballot measure if the constitutional amendment passes, it would then be a group of citizens who are nominated and appointed by retired judges. And the current system so for people that wanna say, well, okay, Republicans control things. The current constitutional system that voters approved I think it was about 15 years ago. The voters approved a constitutional amendment that says the party that's out of power, in this case, the Democrats in Ohio, have a final veto over any redistricting plan. In other words, if they do not approve of it, even though they are only 2 out of the 5 or 7 or whatever the number is, They have a rejection power in the constitution to say, nope, not going along with it. We don't agree. And then they and then the process the process has to start over and they so it's a negotiation between the majority on the current committee and the minority on the current committee. This constitutional amendment would blow that up and it would simply be 51% of the people voting. It's done.

Brett Johnson [: 00:26:32

So why is the system not working quote unquote?

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:36

Well, I think it is working. I think that the citizens of Ohio when they elect a governor, they elect the senators and and and state representatives. They are saying to them, you have this additional power to redistrict. But the the minority party, whether it's Republicans or Democrats at that time, have also power to veto it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:26:59

This is a check on the power.

Norm Murdock [: 00:27:01

It's a check on the power.

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:02

But so It's only

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:05

not working because somebody doesn't like the outcome.

Norm Murdock [: 00:27:07

Somebody doesn't

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:07

like the outcome. I guess so. Because I'm thinking, well, if the the the 2 Democrats have the veto power, why are we still in the situation we are?

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:13

So here You see, you

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:14

know what I mean? I'm I'm not very

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:16

I got you.

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:16

Explaining this, but it's like but it does sound like it's a system that would work. Even though you're in 2,

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:21

you're still the final police. People don't get what they want or they don't get what they want fast enough, so then they say the system is broken. Okay.

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:27

Okay.

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:28

What I would say in response is that is how the system is supposed to work. It's not supposed to be easy to take this kind of power and enact these kind of laws. We wanna we wanna make it hard for the government to do things. And the reason we wanna do that is because it creates a check and balance on the government account. Correct.

Norm Murdock [: 00:27:41

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:41

So this is why we're not a pure democracy. This is why we have an electoral college. This is why we have a United States Supreme Court or an Ohio Supreme Court or whatever state you're in Supreme Court to sort of be the overseer of some of these things constitutionally. Because this is, the this is checks and balances on power. And everybody who claims that the check and balance on power is impeding their ability to solve the problems, That should be a cue, folks. They wanna buy the house. See exactly what they wanna do. Okay. Because Right. Right. And he promises to go fix all the problems of the world if only these pesky impediments weren't in the way. Give me more power, and I'll go fix it for you.

Norm Murdock [: 00:28:18

Well, it's even less democratic. I mean, you're going from people that you elect to make these decisions. Right? And you get to have a say so. One person, one vote. You get to vote state representative Bill Jones. Right? And and you get to vote on whether you want Bill Jones or Margaret Smith, and you pick Bill Jones. And then you have him, by virtue of your vote, go and and, participate in redistricting. This new this new way that if the constitutional amendment passes, it's unelected people. Mhmm. I mean, it's so you will have no voice in in your redistricting.

Steve Palmer [: 00:28:59

It's just it's another it's around it's an end around using sort of executive authority or whatever authority you want to get something done that you can't get otherwise done. Look. Remember remember the the the, Ross Perot and Stockdale ticket when there was this famous debate with Stockdale. He's kept going gridlock gridlock. Right. And I'm thinking, yes.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:17

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:18

That's what we want. And, ultimately, when's the last time we had a balanced budget? Was it in the Clinton years when he when

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:23

I think it was.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:24

I think you're right. Him and him and Newt Gingrich ironed out it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:27

It's Because you had they couldn't get anything done. Yeah. So we had money.

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:31

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:33

You couldn't agree on spending it, so we had it. Yeah. And it worked. Yeah. It worked.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:38

They're using the old meme of, hey, let's get politics, you know, mean old, you know, the the idea that politics is bad. We're gonna get politics out of redistricting. Oh, come on.

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:51

Well, that's that's that's politics.

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:53

That's at the core

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:54

of it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:54

It's a

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:55

reason for it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:55

I know. I mean Even

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:56

Obama said, hey, John McCain. Elections have consequences. Yeah. So Yeah. And and and for me, the the proof in the pudding is Soros and the groups that are pushing this in Ohio are not pushing it in blue states.

Steve Palmer [: 00:30:10

Of course not. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:30:12

Right. They're pushing it in states that they wanna convert.

Brett Johnson [: 00:30:16

So it

Norm Murdock [: 00:30:16

you know, the the come on.

Brett Johnson [: 00:30:18

And and I know there was one other sticky point to that that they they they continue to use the word gerrymandering in and I know they complained about that beside, but that is that is what it is. That is what we have we have turned gerrymandering into a negative term, but that is the act of doing what it is. We've turned it negative. It's the act of

Norm Murdock [: 00:30:35

That's an excellent point.

Steve Palmer [: 00:30:37

And it's a consequence to the election.

Brett Johnson [: 00:30:38

It it is. And it just is. But that's the act of doing what you're going to do is gerrymandering.

Steve Palmer [: 00:30:43

But on the and the bigger picture is this is why I think the last time around, everybody everybody sort of in the know was so focused on local politics, on state level, representation or the house and and senate and state level because this controls a lot of the outcome of the bigger elections for 10 years.

Norm Murdock [: 00:30:59

For sure.

Brett Johnson [: 00:30:59

Oh, for sure.

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:00

I got it. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's based off of the, district. Off of the, the the federal, oh goodness. When they go door to door and you fill out the form.

Steve Palmer [: 00:31:10

The census.

Brett Johnson [: 00:31:11

So the census. Yeah. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:13

Or as or as Gary Burbank called it, the senseless.

Steve Palmer [: 00:31:17

The senseless. The senseless.

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:18

The senseless. I'm with the US senseless. Oh, god. Good day. The other the other amendment that's gonna come next year, they didn't get enough signatures on the minimum wage constitutional amendment. But it but they're continuing to collect them and the ballot board has approved their language. And and technical attorneys looking this have said that if that passes in the spring of 2025, it will be retroactive back to January 1, 2025 on the minimum wage. So you have places like Waffle House or McDonald's or whoever that might be paying less than $15 or whatever the new wage is gonna be set at. But they're they're gonna have to, like, surprise. It's it's June and we just passed this constitutional amendment. You're gonna have to write a check for half a year's the difference between what you paid them and what the minimum wage is. So it would be an ex post facto law. I mean, that's that's crazy. Yeah. So just political norms. Yeah. They they gotta clean up that that language. I I mean, because I mean, that'll kill small business. I mean

Steve Palmer [: 00:32:28

Well, comma's gonna hey, look. You ask her what a policy is. Small business comes to life every single time. So I guess we're all all 3 of us here at the table who own and operate small businesses. We stand to flourish in the next 4 years.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:39

A big article came out in, I think it was Politico or ProPublica, one of those websites, that about $4,000,000 buried in the budget bill, this past budget bill, in Ohio, has been going to non public schools to do refurbishing, to do some expansion. Now, $4,000,000. I'm you know, it's not a lot. But it has been going to non public schools for their infrastructure, to be able to handle the influx of the Ed choice students that are that are, now, you know, you get a a check, a voucher is in in essence, a scholarship, whatever you wanna call it. But you get, you know, like $8,000 to go to a private high high school, 6,000 or so to go to a grade school. Any basically, if it's a $135,000 family income and down, you get the full amount and then less if you're over the 1.35 limit. And so there's a coalition, that is suing the State of Ohio over the Ed Choice program, that's a $1,000,000,000 and as well as this little $4,000,000 which is the camel's toe on the you know, it's a camel's, nose under the tent, you know, because it's 4,000,000 now, is is apparently, this is very rare in in the United States.

Steve Palmer [: 00:34:10

It is. Yeah. But there's also there's a there's a there's a dark side of the coin too. And you wonder when it becomes enough that the government starts to starts to exercise a lever of control over what the private schools are doing. Right. So this is,

Norm Murdock [: 00:34:27

you know, once you No come with strings.

Steve Palmer [: 00:34:29

Yes. Yes. Once you start, once you let that camel in the tent Yeah. Now the government has a lever of power, to regulate what's going on.

Brett Johnson [: 00:34:38

And and we're talking money to to Catholic schools.

Norm Murdock [: 00:34:42

Yep. To religious schools. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:34:45

I mean, it They make the argument both ways.

Brett Johnson [: 00:34:46

Right. I mean, I saw that too. It's like, you gotta be kidding me. This is this is freaking corporate welfare. This is corporate welfare for private schools.

Norm Murdock [: 00:34:54

It was surprising to me.

Brett Johnson [: 00:34:55

Unbelievable.

Norm Murdock [: 00:34:56

It was surprising to me. I I would have thought a slicker way to do this, right, since they get the tuition money. Okay. The tuition money, you know, like just up that a little bit with the 4,000,000 and spread it out and then that school, that private school can spend it on whatever the hell they want.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:13

Well, we've done this historically, I think, with scholarships. Right? So it's like you you can create a scholarship for somebody to go to school, and it sort of results in the same thing without creating that that direct connection between money and the school or government money and the school. Because sooner or later, it becomes an opiate.

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:28

Well, this is this will be a case on the disestablishment clause of the constitution. It will be.

Brett Johnson [: 00:35:34

Well, and and, you know, I pulled up it would do a quote in a story I saw to the Ohio Constitution says, we'll secure a thorough and efficient system common schools throughout the state, but no religious or other sect or sex shall ever have any exclusive right to or control of or any part of the school funds of this state.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:52

Exactly. Going back to the,

Brett Johnson [: 00:35:54

so it's just a suggestion, apparently.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:56

I think there is a Well, there's

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:57

a there'll be there's a lawsuit. This is gonna get hashed out.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:59

Yeah. This will get hashed out. So this it's interesting because back in the eighties with actually, Sandra Day O'Connor wrote a bunch of the decisions on on the free exercise clause and the establishment clause of the first amendment. So I'll be interesting it'll be interesting to see how the current court handles this because, you know, there I think in my recollection is there there are exceptions carved out for funding as long as the funding is done equally. And I think there was

Brett Johnson [: 00:36:21

a piece too, like, disasters.

Steve Palmer [: 00:36:23

Or disasters. Disasters. And so

Brett Johnson [: 00:36:24

but this is something completely different. Little bit.

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:27

It's just like Well, school school voucher door a little bit. School vouchers have been held up. They've been upheld, in other states.

Steve Palmer [: 00:36:33

Because it's more like a scholarship.

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:35

That's right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:36:35

Yeah. It's more

Steve Palmer [: 00:36:35

like a scholarship.

Brett Johnson [: 00:36:36

This is totally separate than a voucher thing, though.

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:38

Yes. This is This is totally

Steve Palmer [: 00:36:40

money to the school.

Brett Johnson [: 00:36:41

To help the flow of this because the voucher the kids are coming your way. Right. We'll help you build up because you may know your schools are shit. So we'll help you. You know, it's like, well, yeah. Come on.

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:51

Well, my my kids Well My kids went to DeSales. It wasn't shit.

Brett Johnson [: 00:36:55

But but but but but but but some of them are say next. But but some of the schools must be because you're getting 4 I don't yeah. I'm not saying they all are.

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:02

Well, they're out of room because that may be But that's

Brett Johnson [: 00:37:05

guess what? That's their problem. They're

Steve Palmer [: 00:37:07

They should they should expand

Brett Johnson [: 00:37:08

the school. Exactly. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:10

They should expand the school and the way to do it is by is through this voucher. They get the money from the voucher. They can spend it any way.

Steve Palmer [: 00:37:18

They can spend right. So Or

Brett Johnson [: 00:37:19

the people that are going to

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:20

the school. But earmarking it to expand your gymnasium, even I have a little bit of a prop because it doesn't it doesn't fit the Constitution. No. You know?

Steve Palmer [: 00:37:30

It's a it's a little, like you said, the camel's in the tent.

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:34

Yeah. It's it it it smells of establishmentism, and I don't like that.

Steve Palmer [: 00:37:39

Well, it's what it smells of is the government exercising the it's laying the foundation or the infrastructure for the government to start regulating private schools.

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:50

Well, it does that too. And I I guess That's what

Steve Palmer [: 00:37:52

I that's what I hate about.

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:53

And I guess in examining this, the New York media exposed something I've known for a long time but they exposed that there is a public school in New York City, a Hasidic Jewish school that is directly funded by the state of New York and and that, you know, it is a public school specifically for Hasidic Jews.

Steve Palmer [: 00:38:14

That I have a problem with.

Norm Murdock [: 00:38:15

And that's that's

Brett Johnson [: 00:38:16

that's a

Steve Palmer [: 00:38:17

great example.

Brett Johnson [: 00:38:17

That's an interesting path you're going down.

Steve Palmer [: 00:38:21

So we Yeah. That's what I'm trying to do.

Brett Johnson [: 00:38:22

The government wants to get out of public schools now, which they have total control over.

Steve Palmer [: 00:38:26

Correct.

Brett Johnson [: 00:38:27

And now they wanna start to control they potentially wanna

Steve Palmer [: 00:38:30

control private schools. Do they really think look. People say, well, governments don't own the banks. Well, yes. They do. Because the government tells you where you can put them. They tell you how to operate it. They tell you all the other stuff.

Brett Johnson [: 00:38:38

Because the picture is that private schools, you do your thing. You we know you're doing well. But

Norm Murdock [: 00:38:43

But they have to meet all the same graduating

Steve Palmer [: 00:38:45

No. No. No. Now are now

Norm Murdock [: 00:38:47

All the same testing. All.

Steve Palmer [: 00:38:48

Look. It's called conditional study.

Norm Murdock [: 00:38:49

Teacher certification

Steve Palmer [: 00:38:50

is the same. Now if you don't have a curriculum that we like, you're not gonna get this money. Exactly. That's right. That's the lever.

Norm Murdock [: 00:38:56

That's a lever.

Brett Johnson [: 00:38:57

Wow. And it slowly little drip effect. Yeah. It's interesting. They may not even they may not it

Steve Palmer [: 00:39:00

might not I'm not saying it's a conspiratorial scheme and plan in place right now for the endgame, but that's where all this stuff is.

Brett Johnson [: 00:39:06

But, yeah, turns it with 4,000,000, turns into 40,000,000, turns into 4,000,000,000.

Steve Palmer [: 00:39:11

Once you start taking the opium, you

Brett Johnson [: 00:39:13

can't stop. Interesting.

Norm Murdock [: 00:39:14

That's right. I I'm I'm skeptical of it. So add to any rate. Yeah. Wow. We wanna do some national news

Brett Johnson [: 00:39:22

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:39:22

A little bit.

Norm Murdock [: 00:39:25

So with the second assassination attempt, once again, I just wanna observe and then you guys jump in. But it is the second it's the second time in, what, 8 weeks where the Secret Service has not controlled the perimeter of a presidential, event. You know? And and, I mean, it's kinda mind blowing. So in Butler, they had a guy with a rifle. I think it was a 150 yards from the president, hit him in the head, hit him in the air. And then at this golf course, I guess, hole number 6, there is a gap in the in the shrubbery and and a a secret service agent who was one hole ahead of of Trump's, foursome had the, you know, perspicacity to see it and, took took action and shot at the guy and the guy fled and they thank god they captured him. But I heard the head of the Secret Service, the acting head, has said we need a new paradigm shift here at the Secret Service. We need to go from reactive where we're in place waiting for an attack to proactive, where we get out there and control the perimeter. And I'm like, dude

Brett Johnson [: 00:40:44

You're not doing that already?

Norm Murdock [: 00:40:45

You're not doing that already? Like, isn't that kinda obvious?

Brett Johnson [: 00:40:48

Or is that not their job? Is FBI not supposed to be doing that? I mean, is that what he's meaning?

Norm Murdock [: 00:40:52

Man, somebody is not doing that.

Steve Palmer [: 00:40:53

Wow. What they're saying, they know their resources to go secure perimeter, so they're just, like, in protection.

Brett Johnson [: 00:40:58

We can do right

Steve Palmer [: 00:40:58

now. We're doing all we can do.

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:00

Because it's really the secret serve because secret service is part of FBI? No.

Norm Murdock [: 00:41:03

Uh-huh. No. No. No. It's part of the heart of Homeland Security.

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:07

Right. Exactly. So FBI is Department of Justice. So that's what he's putting out there going, give us a little bit more teeth and we'll we'll we'll help you protect versus just going in there second.

Steve Palmer [: 00:41:17

We can talk about this in the outright section. But anyway They are saying

Norm Murdock [: 00:41:20

they are saying that Trump now has the same level of protection as President Biden. They're they're saying they have upped it to the same identical level.

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:32

Why wouldn't it have been before?

Norm Murdock [: 00:41:33

I don't know, dude. I just

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:35

because he's a candidate.

Steve Palmer [: 00:41:36

Trump is such a lovable character because

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:38

he just

Steve Palmer [: 00:41:38

has half the country.

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:39

He's he's

Steve Palmer [: 00:41:39

Why would he need any percentage?

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:40

He's a candidate. I mean, think of think of think of the alternative here. What the

Steve Palmer [: 00:41:44

end of the president?

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:45

Right. And a foreign well

Steve Palmer [: 00:41:46

Even more. Right?

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:47

He would already have it. Right? Think. Well, the ayat Yes. Exactly.

Norm Murdock [: 00:41:50

The Ayatollah has a contract out on him, you know, and and Mike Pompeo, right, for killing Soleimani.

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:57

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:41:58

Like like

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:59

Can't forget those things.

Norm Murdock [: 00:42:00

Like nation states have actually threatened his life and said, you know, we want him killed. And curiously enough, this this Ryan Ruth, you know, he's a soldier of fortune that traveled to Ukraine, was there for, I don't know, months or a year or whatever, fighting with those people and and with the Ukrainian mafia. And, and he he's the guy that takes the shots. I mean, he's he's all over social media just like that crazy guy in Butler, and I think they're I think some of these people are getting activated. I and I'm not again, I'm a free speech. But I think when you go on for months months years and say Trump is Hitler and Trump is a threat to existential threat to the very existence of the country. You know, some people are half off a bubble are gonna grab a rifle and do something.

Brett Johnson [: 00:42:53

And in the reverse side for Democrats, you keep saying you know, I'm saying, you know, the the the picture around a camp Democratic candidate. Yeah. You start to believe it over the years. Yeah. You're right. No. No. No. I I agree. I agree. So Yeah. You get indoctrinated.

Steve Palmer [: 00:43:08

What do you, another another thing that happened this week, I thought was somewhat interesting that sort of leads me down my libertarian, maybe, economic path is, lo and behold, we are at a state in our economy where we can reduce the interest rates.

Norm Murdock [: 00:43:24

The 10 year borrowing rate. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:43:26

That that happens to coincide with about, what, 45 day how many days out from the election? Right. So, you know, it's a Exactly. And this is one of those you got you love it and hate it at the same time. So if you're in the market and you're, you you know, it's it's it puts us all in a weird position. People with my position in weird position. Because, look, I don't think that the government should have control of the interest rates in the 1st place. I think it's sort of a you know, it it just gives again the government a lever of power. Like, what are they really why why can't the market figure this out? You don't think banks can figure out what to charge another bank? Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:43:55

Oh, so let so let the,

Steve Palmer [: 00:43:57

Let the market figure

Brett Johnson [: 00:43:57

it out. Let the market figure it out.

Steve Palmer [: 00:43:59

Yeah. And money's worth this much. Let it be worth this much. Okay. At any rate, the government does do it, and I think a lot of us will take advantage of it if you're

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:04

gonna find something. Famously killed the National Bank.

Steve Palmer [: 00:44:07

Yes. Mhmm. Yes.

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:08

And then we brought it back.

Steve Palmer [: 00:44:09

We brought it back. Yeah. And so we we've got this we've got this in place. And now lo and behold, it just happens to be the right time. And I'm no I'm no expert on inflation or the economy or any of this other there's a lot of smarter people than I, but I just know, seems awful coincidental. I don't think anybody can doubt that. And and look, I I'll take advantage of it. I'll I'll go refi or I'll buy a house or maybe that helps a little bit in that way, but you just can't help but think, come on.

Brett Johnson [: 00:44:35

But the day after, the stock market didn't do well. No. So, you know, they weren't all that happy with it. The the yeah. Again, they they run on fear. I understand that. You know? They lost so gauge anything off

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:46

of that. But hit 42,000,

Steve Palmer [: 00:44:50

you

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:50

know, on the Dow. And I think some of that was was people taking winnings off the table.

Brett Johnson [: 00:44:55

Oh, for sure.

Steve Palmer [: 00:44:55

Well, there was. And this tinker's with the bond market too. As soon as interest rates go down, then the bond market starts to go up. Right? Is that how that works? And then Yeah. So you've got

Brett Johnson [: 00:45:02

Yeah. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:45:03

Now you've got you know, it just it creates a swing. And and as look, I know the only thing I know about investing is I just try to do it as regular as I can on regular intervals. And as my dad used to say, if you think that you're gonna buy and sell and beat the market, the smarter people have beat you to it already 10 times over by the time you get there. So too late.

Norm Murdock [: 00:45:19

Some union news. So the UAW, I think, has comprehensively screwed themselves. They got this great contract and you saw that, Sean Fain guy, you know, running around. Hey, you know, we we we got we got the UAW workers this gigantic increase. It it it was almost 40% in some cases increase for for the most vested, you know, most tenured workers. And so what has so now the UAW is getting ready to strike against Stellantis Stellantis and and Ford Motor Company because guess what? The reaction is they upped the labor cost so exponentially that these companies are they're gonna relocate. They're gonna they're No.

Steve Palmer [: 00:46:04

They can't afford it. Right?

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:05

They can't afford it. I mean, duh.

Steve Palmer [: 00:46:06

When the government puts their finger on the scale again

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:09

Or the unions. Overreach. They overreach. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:46:12

But they it just is it's it changes the economics that make it work. So unions have their place. They're fine. Go go unionize. Do whatever you want. Yeah. Yeah. But understand there's a consequence to that. There's a limit on how much money there is to to go go around. And if you push it too hard, they'll just go out of business. The host Change their go go to Mexico or go wherever.

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:32

Well, the host organism that you're attached to, that you get your, you know, workers employed at, you need to take care of like, yes, you have this negotiation and there's that tension and they are your adversary during negotiations. But you don't wanna kill the organism

Brett Johnson [: 00:46:51

Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:51

Because then the jobs are gone.

Steve Palmer [: 00:46:53

This is why

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:53

It's like so stupid. Like, I don't understand why they do this.

Steve Palmer [: 00:46:56

It's like the flu. It's it's like it's there's a host, and then there's there's the person that's living in the host, and it's gotta work. You know, it's gotta work. If if the if the parasite kills the host, the parasite dies too. And I'm not calling union workers. No.

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:09

We're not.

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:09

I don't need it. That's a bad analogy. I'm not doing it, but you get it. It's like Yeah. It's symbiotic relationship. I'm trying to say. Right. And, you know, I noticed, by the way, talking about you and you see the Teamsters come out. Exactly. And they have a they have a we're not gonna support anybody. Even though 60% of our members are in favor of Trump.

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:26

They totally chickened out.

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:27

We're not gonna support Trump. Because we're not We're not gonna support Harris.

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:30

What they said is if Kamala would have gotten at least 51%, they they would have support they would have endorsed her.

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:38

Right? But But Trump didn't get universal support.

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:41

Universal, which would mean what? A 100%.

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:44

He had to get a 100%. Universal

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:46

is a 100%.

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:46

Right? That's that's universal.

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:49

It's nonsensical. But it it is China.

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:51

Gives you the connection.

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:52

It is kind of a win. The last guy to get last Republican to get endorsed by the Teamsters, I believe, was Ronald Reagan.

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:59

Yeah. Yeah. Jackie Presser.

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:01

Yeah. And and and and that was kind of a reaction to

Brett Johnson [: 00:48:04

I think that was a Jackie Presser. I think you're right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:06

Well, it was kind of a reaction to the way that the Democrat controlled Senate starting with Robert Kennedy senior really went after, you know, Jimmy Hoffa. Right. There's a long history of antipathy between the Democratic Party. Mhmm. Some of their leaders and the Teamsters that goes way back.

Brett Johnson [: 00:48:25

Yeah. Yep.

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:26

You know? And president Reagan, I think, also let the let the Teamsters Union out of federal monitoring. There was a change he had made through the Labor Relations Board where because of Jimmy Hoffa and because of the robbery of the pension fund for the teamsters, they were under federal control and Reagan lifted that. And the Teamsters rewarded him with an endorsement, I think it's how that went down.

Steve Palmer [: 00:48:54

Alright. Well, let's, let's shift gears, talk a little bit of justice for all where we try to cover some, you know, interesting police and justice and legal topics.

Norm Murdock [: 00:49:01

So so Steve, in in in particular, and and Brett, is like me, a non lawyer. But, Steve, I am outraged by this decision up in Rocky River, Ohio. You may have heard about this at a Giant Eagle store. A mother and a a a 3 year old, that she's push pushing around in the bass cart are just, you know, like they're just regular shoppers. Didn't know this this, lady. This lady grabbed a knife in the store with the steak knife or something hanging on the, you know, the pegs at Giant Eagle, and stabbed the baby to death, the 3 year old baby to death, and stabbed the mother. Oh. Dang. And

Steve Palmer [: 00:49:45

Unknown. They didn't know each other's did you just got a lunatic? Right? Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:49:49

Just so you just, you know and she had she had a blotter sheet of previous assaults on other people, but not a murder like this. At any rate, they have decided because she they say she's incompetent. There will be no trial and there'll be no jail. I'm sure she'll be put in a some kind of insane home, I guess. Yeah. I don't I don't know what they do with people these days, who are criminally insane or

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:17

Well, she's not criminally insane No. Yet. Yes. Yet.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:20

But I'm outraged by this because I think, hey, man. Come on.

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:24

Alright. So I am I I am not. It depends to to me, it all depends. So the question is this. You have somebody if I'm representing somebody who's accused of a crime, the first thing that they have to be able to do is or the first thing that I look at is, is this individual competent to stand trial? And that means, do they understand the nature of the proceedings against them, and are they able to assist me in the defense?

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:42

Mhmm.

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:42

And some it's a rare bird, but it happens more often than you might think that I get a client who is just doesn't really understand what's going on, can't really help. So here's there's a process for this. There's the court will appoint an expert psychologist to perform an evaluation.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:59

Apparently, that happened.

Steve Palmer [: 00:51:00

And that happens. Yeah. And then they send the person if the person comes back and the evaluator says, now this person is totally competent. I get a chance to try again. I can I can ask for a second evaluation? Mhmm.

Brett Johnson [: 00:51:11

And I

Steve Palmer [: 00:51:12

think the state pays for that. And even then if it comes back that this person and and say then it comes back incompetent, there can be a full blown hearing in a court where we have both sides sort of present evidence in their experts, and the judge will decide competent or not competent. Even if the person is decide determined to be noncompetent, doesn't end the case. They send the person off to, like, restoration school, I'll call it, where they're trained up on how to be competent, which is really to say they're trained up on how to get through a competency evaluation. They're I've I've had clients who come back, and they're equally spacey about it. But then they all of a sudden understand what a trial means, or what a lawyer does, or what the system means, because they've been educated on those terms. And now they are, quote, deemed competent to stand trial. So then, go the other way. They come back and they're still incompetent. Well, they they won't get prosecuted for this. They are typically placed in some institution for a period of time and and monitored. It's not an outcome anybody likes, but it's also I think it's equally offensive to prosecute those who don't have the mental capability of understanding either the case or what they've done or the process, for crimes. So this is like the this is the the this is the play in the joints of our system. This is this is the part of the system that people don't like. You don't like it if you're in or if your loved one is incompetent, they did something they they just don't understand. And you don't like it if you're the victim of a crime by somebody who's incompetent, they did something they don't understand. There's no good way out here. There's no good justice for anybody here. And then the other thing that you've talked about or sort of hinted at is insanity, whether somebody is actually insane. That's a different thing. They're competent to stand trial, but at the time Yeah. They were insane. They didn't appreciate the circumstances or appreciate the their actions, or they and they acted as in some irresistible impulse.

Brett Johnson [: 00:52:58

In

Norm Murdock [: 00:52:58

this case, they're not even going to try.

Steve Palmer [: 00:53:01

They haven't even gotten that far because the person's not competent. Now that doesn't mean this person cannot be restored to competency. And my guess is she will be at some point in the future restored to competency, and they'll bring it back and they'll they'll do it all over again.

Norm Murdock [: 00:53:13

I mean, that 3 year old baby's gone.

Brett Johnson [: 00:53:15

Yeah. Do do her prior, what did you she said she she had a rap sheet.

Norm Murdock [: 00:53:21

She had a

Brett Johnson [: 00:53:21

Do they come into play then? That does that because that does that is that evidence? It comes As a progress of her insanity or her inability to live in society?

Steve Palmer [: 00:53:30

Maybe. So what might happen is the evaluator sort of looks at different psychological models in testing. I don't know if I I would guess that some of those have to do with the person's history within the system. So if you've got a person who's done a bunch of loony stuff or crazy stuff or stuff that would sort of hint that this individual has severe mental defects, then I think that stuff is relevant, not because of the convictions, but because of the conduct.

Brett Johnson [: 00:53:52

Okay. Okay. Yeah. I didn't know if it was a standalone act or we can look behind again. I think they can. Okay. Okay.

Steve Palmer [: 00:53:58

I I think they can. But, again, not because of conviction, but because if you if you've engaged in crazy behavior for years years years, that certainly lends credibility to the fact that you're crazy now. And these are not psychological terms, obviously. But Right. Right. Suffer from a mental defect now.

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:11

Yeah. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:54:12

Look. These are hard cases. I mean, it sucks. I've I've had plenty of them. These are hard cases. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:17

Well, Kentucky judge, was shot by a sheriff, yesterday

Steve Palmer [: 00:54:23

Yeah. So yeah. I saw that.

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:24

Killed. So, I don't know. Some kind of personal dispute. I it is so that's emerging. I don't know the facts other than shot to death. The sheriff has been arrested. Deputy sheriff, I assume. Maybe not the sheriff.

Brett Johnson [: 00:54:38

I got I can't help, but

Steve Palmer [: 00:54:39

the the song is going through my head. Yeah. The sheriff the sheriff I didn't shoot the sheriff. The sheriff shot the sheriff. They didn't

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:44

they didn't shoot the sheriff, and they didn't shoot the deputy.

Steve Palmer [: 00:54:47

No. That's horrible. So, look. I mean, the the the the there's a reason that's getting national news because

Brett Johnson [: 00:54:53

it's just you don't hear that very often. No. No. It's like

Steve Palmer [: 00:54:56

now there there is I will say this. Small counties throughout our country have their own little power structures.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:01

Oh, yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:02

Yeah. So if you think if if you live in 1, you know Oh, yeah. That there's a and typically, it's one party or the other that sort of controls all the local politics. And it doesn't matter what you really believe or think if you're a member of the party. But then the infighting within the party becomes so incestuous that it's like, alright. Well, that person supporting this person, so that person gets this, and this person gets that. And there's always like the it's just it's the classic scenario. So I wonder if there's, like, an age old power struggle here going on

Brett Johnson [: 00:55:27

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:27

Between the It'll be interesting

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:29

to follow this up and see what that's all about. Here in Columbus, we had 3 shootings in 10 days on the campus of Ohio State University. And that is a that is not a happy trend. And I think it's bleeding over from the short north, which is totally out of control also. Yep. And the and and and the deal is and we've had the we've had the FOP guy in here, Brian Steele. And he has said, essentially, you know, it's kind of a blue flu thing that they're gonna they're gonna show up to do the chalk line around the victim laying in the in the street. They they're not looking to be proactive and and jump into situations, in general. The a few heroic cops will take that chance. But you're seeing more and more of these police officers, prosecuted, and it it You

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:25

get what you pay for.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:26

You get what you pay for.

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:27

Yeah. So you you get what you incentivize. Yeah. And and look, it it doesn't I'm not I'm not necessary I I I am definitely not supporting the police, conduct here. Yeah. So I hate that there's this thing called the blue flu. I hate that this exists. Yeah. And I'm it's certainly not taking their side. On the other hand Right. You can understand how it happens.

Brett Johnson [: 00:56:45

Oh my gosh.

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:45

Yeah. Sure. And, you know, if they're afraid to go do their job for getting sued or indicted or if they're not gonna put themselves at risk anymore, they're like, well, you know what? Screw it. We'll just show up after.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:53

Well, mayor mayor Ginther does not have their back. He is he is.

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:56

Or at least they don't feel like it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:58

They don't feel like

Brett Johnson [: 00:56:58

it. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:59

You know? Right. Right. They're the bad guys. Yeah. Automatically, there's a shooting, police involved. It's it's almost like a knee jerk thing. Oh, well the cop must have done something wrong. And and it's like, hey man, you need to suspend, you know, judgment. And the calm thing to tell any community is there's a process. We're gonna investigate. It's gonna be an open investigation. All the facts will come out. I will see to it that any camera video, you know, body cam stuff, you you'll see everything. But you gotta give us a chance to investigate. Don't go off half cocked and start rioting or or or doing other acts of civil disobedience that are gonna harm the very community, that we're trying to protect. Mhmm.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:44

Yep. I think I I I think it's it's like we're sort of ending up where we start. You know, sunshine on these things is always what's important. So it's like we don't treat cops, generally speaking, all the same just because they're police officers one way or another. These are individual cases with individual circumstances and individual facts. So if a police officer oversteps his bounds or her bounds and screws up, well, they ought to be held accountable, but not held accountable every time just because it's politically it's politically advantageous to do that. And I think that's how they feel right now.

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:12

I think so. Yep.

Steve Palmer [: 00:58:13

Well, look. Let's wrap it up. We've got, some outrageously wonderful facts. Now what is outrageously wonderful? There's certain things that we're all gonna be a little bit outraged about and certain things we all are gonna Go around

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:22

the horn?

Steve Palmer [: 00:58:22

A little bit rumble. You started.

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:24

Well, to me, the outrage of the week is, Israel, blowing up somewhere around 25100 to 3000 devices. And listen, I love Jewish people. I love Israel. I am for Israel in this titanic battle between them and Iran with the proxies of Hamas and Hezbollah. I am totally in favor of Israel winning this. That said, I don't have to be Ben Shapiro and other people that are also pro Israel like I am. I don't have to be in favor of every tactic that Benjamin Netanyahu decides to do. And you're saying that these are targeted and very specific and discriminating, and I say bullshit to that. This is like putting landmines around a civilian area and children walk out into the landmine field. The a cell phone or a pager or a radio is an attractive device to children, and it also gets left in the household on, say, a kitchen table. And whether that's a Hezbollah terrorist who happens to have that or not because he the terrorist may have gone to the the bazaar and and swapped phones with a merchant and a totally innocent person now has that. And these things were turned on, to me, indiscriminately, at least 20 deaths that we know of. And I I I I think it's I think it's against the laws of civilized warfare to do this. And I will also say, like I said, back in October 7th in our reaction to that, I was hoping that the IDF and I'll bet a lot of generals at the IDF agree with me. I was hoping the IDF would go into Gaza surgically. And and, yeah, I know it would have cost more IDF lives to do this just like our guys, right, who went into Iraq and surgically went after, Al Qaeda and ISIS. Okay. Same way. It would have been much more difficult. But instead, you leveled whole neighborhoods, and as many as 20,000 people are said to have been killed in Gaza, which is way more than the number of Hamas, terrorists in in Gaza. And and so you used a sledgehammer where you should've used a scalpel, And I'm mad about that, but I still want Israel to win. So don't give me any bullshit like Ben Ben Shapiro is saying people like me are Jew haters. That is complete bullshit, and it and and it is intellectually dishonest, and it makes me angry. I don't like being called a racist or a Jew hater or anything like that. I love the Jewish people. I want Israel to win this, and I think they're a great people, a great nation, and they could have done a hell of a lot better than this. That's my outrage of the week.

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:23

Succinct to the point. Yeah. Yeah. My outrage, we talked about a little bit earlier just that, you know, Ohio channeling tax money, to to private schools. That that just drives me insane. Drives me insane. They did another level of corporate welfare. I saw that number and, yeah, 4,000,000 doesn't seem like a lot, but I think, you know, as we expanded, it's it potentially could turn more. It's into more money as well as, you know, starting a wave across the country as well too, and it's basically kinda starting here. So it just that doesn't need to be done. It doesn't need to be done.

Steve Palmer [: 01:01:54

Well, again, mine is both outrageous and wonderful at the same time. It is outrageous to me that the Fed would come to the aid of a political party in lower interest rates right before the election because it is nothing more than if it's not a ruse or if it's not some backdoor way to gain support for your candidate, then it sure looks that way. And maybe we could wait a little bit longer because things weren't gonna change anyway. But it's also wonderful because we all get lower interest rates.

Brett Johnson [: 01:02:17

Yeah. Alright. Something positive. So, go to museum of play.org. You get to vote on, the finalist for, they they, have a toy hall of fame. And, this year I love this. So, that the toy hall of fame finalist this year. Apples to apples game. Okay. Balloons. Can you believe balloons have not been of of Hall of Fame toy? So far.

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:39

That's crazy.

Brett Johnson [: 01:02:40

Choose your own adventure game books which I don't remember that series. The Hess toy trucks which I can't remember since I

Steve Palmer [: 01:02:45

I remember that.

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:46

Yeah. Yep.

Brett Johnson [: 01:02:47

My Little Pony.

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:48

Remember,

Brett Johnson [: 01:02:49

phase 10, Pokemon trading card game. RC vehicles

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:53

are on

Brett Johnson [: 01:02:54

the list of votes for. I love that.

Steve Palmer [: 01:02:56

I go with that one all

Brett Johnson [: 01:02:57

day long. Sequence, sticky horse, the hobby horse with the stick, you know, the the groin killer, trampolines, and transformers.

Norm Murdock [: 01:03:06

Like riding your sister's bicycle.

Brett Johnson [: 01:03:08

Exactly. Exactly. So you can go, yeah, to museum of play dot org and vote on your favorite idol and so while you're scrolling to a year on the website, take a look at when they put the strong. There's a little marble and the marble spins when you

Norm Murdock [: 01:03:20

when you scroll.

Brett Johnson [: 01:03:21

I love it. I love it.

Norm Murdock [: 01:03:22

My way thank you. My my wonderful thing of the week, is, I recommended my brother go see, go to the annual banquet of the Heartland Institute in Chicago. So I said, Patrick, you should go. So so Pat bought a ticket, he went, and, the main speaker was Nigel Farage, famously from Great Britain who was behind Brexit and is building up his party as a force in the parliament to, you know, represent conservatives. So my brother goes to this thing, and guess what? He is sat in between these two guys, and this is wonderful. Doctor Larry Arnn.

Steve Palmer [: 01:04:06

Oh, yeah. That guy's incredible. Fun guy.

Norm Murdock [: 01:04:08

On one side of Patrick.

Steve Palmer [: 01:04:09

Up in Michigan.

Norm Murdock [: 01:04:10

On the other side of his dining table is doctor Jay Bhattachary.

Steve Palmer [: 01:04:14

Oh, that's awesome.

Norm Murdock [: 01:04:15

Who who in his speech said a silicon curtain is descending on America. A silicon curtain. Using Winston Churchill's line.

Brett Johnson [: 01:04:25

The iron

Steve Palmer [: 01:04:25

curtain. A steel curtain Or steel curtain.

Brett Johnson [: 01:04:28

Is descending. It's The iron curtain was the Pittsburgh Steelers team.

Norm Murdock [: 01:04:31

That's my wonderful thing. I I just I'm so happy for Patrick. And those are 2 of his heroes, and he my god. He's having dinner.

Brett Johnson [: 01:04:38

And I

Steve Palmer [: 01:04:38

I've got my my real wonderful thing I did wanna talk about is that I go to courts all over the state of Ohio and sometimes even out of state and federal courts in various places. And so often, it's such a miserable place to go in. You go in and people are just awful. There nobody wants to be there. And you're typically greeted in this day and age by some security at the door that you go through a metal detector. You have to throw all your stuff in. And sometimes it make you take your belt off, sometimes your shoes. Yes. It's just varying degrees.

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:02

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 01:05:02

I was in a small county in Southern Ohio. I'm not gonna mention the county because I don't wanna get anybody in trouble. But I had a case down there, and I was greeted time and time again by a gentleman who was probably retired law enforcement, one of the most pleasant, positive individuals I have ever encountered in any situation like that. I watched him make everybody come who came in and out that door feel just a little bit better about the fact that they had to come in and out of the courthouse door, me included. Nice. And here, he gave me. On his desk was the Holy Bible. And I said, well, that's quite a book you got there. And, you know, that sparked a conversation that we had over the 3 or 4 times I went. He hands out these cards. On each side is a piece of scripture that he just gives to people that he thinks needed. Now it's not everybody doesn't get one.

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:48

Yeah. That's nice.

Steve Palmer [: 01:05:48

But if somebody's receptive to it, they get it. And, at the same time, I he at the same time, he brings everybody up, sort of spreads the word a little bit.

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:59

Yeah. That's great, man.

Steve Palmer [: 01:06:00

I find that exceptionally wonderful.

Brett Johnson [: 01:06:01

That's cool.

Steve Palmer [: 01:06:02

And it's in my wallet. I've got 2 of these, because he's giving me 2.

Norm Murdock [: 01:06:04

That's great.

Brett Johnson [: 01:06:05

Good for him.

Steve Palmer [: 01:06:06

And I and and both had to do, by the way, miraculously, with some of the stuff I've been internally struggling with during the at at that time. It is remarkable how well that sort of fits together. So anyway, that's my wonderful with that, I think we're gonna wrap it up. This is Common Sense Ohio coming at you live on Rumble. We we're gonna start we we've been each and every week recording. Now we're gonna start streaming each and every week. And you know what? We come right from the middle, each and every week, commonsenseohioshow.com, at least until now. Thank you.