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This week on Podcaster Stories, I sit down with Michael Levitt of the Breakfast Leadership Network Show.
The Breakfast Leadership Network Show interviews global thought leaders, entrepreneurs, and marketing experts to show the audience the right steps (no shortcuts!) to grow your business and your life.
Topics up for discussion this week include:
- why he moved from only working with C-suite executives to companies looking to improve the mental well-being of their employees
- how the pandemic is creating a tsunami of mental health issues and burnout at work
- a report by Monster.com that showed 7/10 employees are suffering from burnout
- why burnout and stress was ignored by business for so long
- how insurance claims for mental health issues in the workplace are skyrocketing
- why corporate initiatives around talking about mental health are key to a better work environment
- why we, as humans, need better boundaries when it comes to how we live
- how a nutritionist can help relieve stress and burnout
- how stress is a key element in the cause of more than 20 chronic diseases
- how Michael's cardiac event in 2009 saw him realize the importance of nutrition and lifestyle
- how government can increase healthier lifestyles by proper food pricing when it comes to good food versus junk food
- how multitasking adds to our stress levels
- how the over-subscription of antibiotics has hindered our ability to have a clean digestive system
- how Michael's Breakfast Leadership Show has evolved to include guests, and how that's seen his show evolve exponentially
- how the conversations on the podcast have helped him grow professionally
- how podcasting is the equivalent of all your favourite radio shows in one playlist
- how using themes for his weekdays helps Michael keep his stress under control
- how a period of 369 days between 2009 and 2010 flipped his life completely, due to burnout
- why he had to completely reinvent himself after that period
- how the signs of burnout are visible, if we know how to recognize them
- why we need to look at what others are doing, and give them the benefit of the doubt as opposed to getting stressed about their intentions
- Michael's goals for the future of his show and his idea of spin-offs in 2021
- why he takes time off at the end of the year to relax, recharge, and revisit his goals
- how podcasting has made it easy to connect with people you might struggle to have connected with pre-social media and internet days
- why Michael respects Alan Muhally as a leader, and why Winston Churchill is his favourite leader of all time
- how it's lonely as a leader
Settle back for an insightful episode about not only leadership, but why - without looking after ourselves - there won't be any leaders to start with.
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I think a lot of it boils down to we
Speaker:as humans don't have proper boundaries and how we live
Speaker:and the boundaries of what we consume, not just food,
Speaker:but the information that we consume. Eh, right now it's
Speaker:a stressful time. And if we're watching the news several
Speaker:hours a day were consuming a lot of negative information
Speaker:in that stresses people out. It concerns us as governments,
Speaker:open things up and then close things back down again,
Speaker:that stressful for many people, because they're worried they have
Speaker:fear that they could lose their job. There could be
Speaker:an income drop in their household. They won't be able
Speaker:to do the things that they like doing, you know,
Speaker:with the holiday's coming up.
Speaker:There's a lot of concern of will I be able
Speaker:to go home for Christmas or see loved ones for
Speaker:the holidays or whatever holiday you observe. It's really, really
Speaker:problematic. And you know, that story,
Speaker:Hi and welcome to Podcaster Stories each week we will
Speaker:have a conversation with podcasters across all mediums and share
Speaker:their story. What motivates them, why they started a Hill
Speaker:as a group. And More what was the talk about
Speaker:her personal life and some of the things that have
Speaker:happened that made them the person they are today. And
Speaker:now here's your host. Danny Brown hi, and welcome to
Speaker:another episode of Podcaster Stories this week, I have Mike
Speaker:Levitt host of the Breakfast Leadership show in which it
Speaker:looks to help lead it, to reduce stress and prevent
Speaker:burnout and focus on what really matters the most. So,
Speaker:Michael, welcome to the show. I really appreciate you being
Speaker:here. How about you introduce yourself and a bunch of
Speaker:background about your show.
Speaker:Thank you so much. Danny glad to be here. So
Speaker:again, Michael, Levitt the host of the The Breakfast Leadership
Speaker:show in, I launched the Breakfast Leadership Network several years
Speaker:ago to address burnout. And I started off working with
Speaker:C suite executives, but I have expanded that to working
Speaker:with organizations that want to improve the mental and physical
Speaker:well-being of their employees, because burn out, it takes a
Speaker:huge toll on every organization with lost productivity, absenteeism, maybe
Speaker:even lost employees, because they don't have to go out
Speaker:on mental or sick leave or potentially save your organization
Speaker:altogether and not right.
Speaker:Definitely is something that we'll be speaking about and the
Speaker:shore, I think it's important as well with 2d, be
Speaker:in the world, mental health day, that as you mentioned,
Speaker:you know, we can lose employees and colleagues, you know,
Speaker:through stress and burnout, not just on a sort of
Speaker:take time off of work, which I think everybody tends
Speaker:to think over the, the stress can have some time
Speaker:off of it. All of a sudden it causes a
Speaker:lot more issues than just to take them off work.
Speaker:Oh, definitely. In a thank you for acknowledging the mental
Speaker:health day. I'm, it's a, it's a big challenge. And
Speaker:we're seeing a lot of issues, especially during this pandemic
Speaker:where a lot of people are struggling with work and
Speaker:life and everything in between. And it's, it's not a
Speaker:good time for a lot of people, but it doesn't
Speaker:to be that way. There are some things that we
Speaker:all can do to help ease the stress and, and
Speaker:keep our, our mental wellness a top priority.
Speaker:Now, you mentioned that I was in the pandemic and
Speaker:my wife long enough sent out a newsletter up this
Speaker:morning, where she mentioned the, the mental health effects of
Speaker:the pandemic and you know, and people in general, how
Speaker:much of our, obviously the pandemic has had a huge
Speaker:impact on people globally. How much do you think is
Speaker:actually being recognized by C workplaces? I know a lot
Speaker:of work places that are moving to a remote only
Speaker:option. Microsoft just announced. It there'll be, feel a little
Speaker:more, you know, if people wish to do that, how
Speaker:much do you feel that there is a workplace is
Speaker:still need to get up to speed with what's happened
Speaker:in when it comes to, you know, a stress on
Speaker:our own mental health. We have this pandemic, I guess,
Speaker:You know, there was a couple stats that I would
Speaker:like to share. One monster.com did a study earlier in
Speaker:the summer. And they indicated that 69% of those surveyed
Speaker:employees are identifying as being burned out. So that's roughly
Speaker:seven out of 10 employees are dealing with some type
Speaker:of burnout right now, much of it due to working
Speaker:remotely in working from home and trying to juggle all
Speaker:the things that we're doing and not spending the time
Speaker:to separate work from home. Because before, for many of
Speaker:us, if we weren't working from our home, there was
Speaker:basically segment's in our day, we would get up in
Speaker:the morning, we would go to work commute, whether driving
Speaker:or taking a subway or something like that, working, you
Speaker:know, and then taking a break at lunch and whatever
Speaker:coffee breaks and what not leaving, going home.
Speaker:And then you'd have the separation. Well, now everything's in
Speaker:one spot in so many people are just getting up
Speaker:for singing in the morning and they just start working
Speaker:and they work late into the evening every day because
Speaker:of zoom calls and everything else is going on. And
Speaker:congratulations. So many people became full-time school teachers as well
Speaker:because their kids were home because the schools were closed
Speaker:and its really created a lot of challenges. Another study
Speaker:indicated that 54% of employees feel that the HR department
Speaker:are not doing enough to address their mental needs. Now
Speaker:some organizations are starting to look into this, but they
Speaker:need to get ahead of it because for the longest
Speaker:time in burnout was around before this pandemic has been
Speaker:talking about burnout for years.
Speaker:And I have a book that was written and published
Speaker:in 1980 called burnout. So its been around a long
Speaker:time, but it's getting attention now. And the challenge that
Speaker:we're seeing is so many people are, are dealing with
Speaker:his burnout in organizations, ignored it for the longest time
Speaker:because they didn't see a direct impact on the bottom
Speaker:line that they didn't see it in the financial statements,
Speaker:but I guarantee you, they will because this year alone
Speaker:in talking with a colleague of mine, who's in the
Speaker:insurance industry, the mental health claims and the insurance claims
Speaker:for mental health related matters are skyrocketing. So what that
Speaker:means is the claims are going to exceed, you know,
Speaker:basically what your benefits package was set up as so
Speaker:next year when it comes to renewal time, many employers
Speaker:are going to be paying much higher insurance premiums because
Speaker:the claims went so far up on the mental health
Speaker:side of things.
Speaker:That's going to impact the bottom line in that can
Speaker:be prevented by organizations. If they take a more proactive
Speaker:approach in addressing the stress and wellbeing that so many
Speaker:of their employees are facing and not just handing them
Speaker:an EAP brochure and say, here you can call somebody
Speaker:toll free and you have a chat with them. We've
Speaker:got to go beyond that. There's more investment that employers
Speaker:need to do for the wellbeing of their employees.
Speaker:And I think that that ties in really nicely to,
Speaker:you had mentioned that you bought a book back in
Speaker:1980, it was in 1982, 20 years ago. Sorry. Thank
Speaker:you.
Speaker:In 1980, I hate to do the math. It was
Speaker:40 years ago
Speaker:Or two years ago. I, it, it, it feels
Speaker:Like about five years ago because I remember in 1980
Speaker:pretty clearly, but I had hair back then too. So
Speaker:I'm a completely different world, but not really a So.
Speaker:Yeah, it's it it's, it's been around a long time,
Speaker:but it's definitely more it's more talked about because I
Speaker:think mental health is being more talked about ah, the
Speaker:stigma while it still there is easing up. And I
Speaker:think, you know, in Canada, for example, ballots talk that
Speaker:is brought on a ton of awareness and there's key
Speaker:people in the world that have publicly indicated that they've
Speaker:had some mental health challenges and they are strong advocates
Speaker:to say, it's okay to say that you're not okay
Speaker:and get the help that you need.
Speaker:And because you want to be the healthiest version of
Speaker:yourself, we have no problem going to a doctor. If
Speaker:we have an ailment or indigestion or some type of
Speaker:physical ailment, it shouldn't be the same way if there's
Speaker:something going on, as far as how we're feeling and
Speaker:what's on our mind and our thoughts and behaviors and
Speaker:getting those address to make sure that we're the best
Speaker:version of ourselves is critical and crucial and everyone should
Speaker:encourage it.
Speaker:Now I know your background is in healthcare. Umm, and
Speaker:it was written it on your site where, when you
Speaker:were mentioning in the States from one store, ah, elsewhere
Speaker:earlier in on your, on your website, you've got to
Speaker:start from, that really stood out for me from the
Speaker:world health organization about occupational burnout and the number's from
Speaker:your own time in health care. And the, the numbers
Speaker:coming out from the Who is 75% to 75% of
Speaker:patients that use are, say it's stress as the reason
Speaker:they were there. And that that's a pretty scary number.
Speaker:I mean you mentioned 710, that's even higher, like seven
Speaker:and a half out of 10, you know, occupational burnout.
Speaker:Or do you think are some of the key factors
Speaker:in a sport from your time in health care and
Speaker:the people that you speak to it on your show
Speaker:and how do we take that back under control?
Speaker:Or do you think,
Speaker:I think a lot of it boils down to we
Speaker:as humans don't have proper boundaries and how we live
Speaker:and the boundaries of what we consume, not just food,
Speaker:but the information that we consume right now, it's a
Speaker:stressful time. And if we're watching the news several hours
Speaker:a day were consuming a lot of negative information. Okay.
Speaker:And that stresses people out. It concerns us as, as
Speaker:governments open things up and then close things back down
Speaker:again, that stressful for many people because they're worried they
Speaker:have fear that they could lose their job. There could
Speaker:be an income drop in their household. They won't be
Speaker:able to do the things that they liked doing, you
Speaker:know, with the holidays coming up.
Speaker:There's a lot of concern of will I be able
Speaker:to go home for Christmas or see loved ones for
Speaker:the holidays or whatever holiday you observe. It it's a
Speaker:lot really, really problematic. And you know, that stress builds
Speaker:up. But as far as the cases of what we
Speaker:saw when we saw it, when I was in health
Speaker:care and the primary care with all of the stress,
Speaker:again, it's in proper nutrition and not getting enough rest
Speaker:if you eat better and I'm not telling people just
Speaker:to eat kale salads all day and night, that's not
Speaker:what I mean. I highly recommend everybody find a nutritionist
Speaker:or a dietitian in work with them to figure out
Speaker:the right foods for you because each of us have
Speaker:some type of food and tolerance.
Speaker:So if you can find the right foods for you
Speaker:to provide you the natural energy that you need to
Speaker:have a sustainable energy level throughout your day. So you
Speaker:don't have to hit that 2:00 PM red bull or
Speaker:cup of coffee that will make you feel better because
Speaker:your body won't need all the extra stimulants, which creates
Speaker:the imbalance rises and crashes and all of that stuff,
Speaker:which does cause physical stress on our bodies. Couple that
Speaker:with sleep so many of us have horrible sleep. And
Speaker:when we get deep sleep, that's when our body repairs,
Speaker:all the damage that we do to ourselves on a
Speaker:daily basis. And if we're not sleeping well, then today's
Speaker:damage gets piled on to tomorrow's damage and it just
Speaker:continues.
Speaker:And then you started seeing physical ailments or, you know,
Speaker:gut bacteria. For example, if you're not eating properly can
Speaker:create problems. You know, the diabetic population continues to increase
Speaker:and I just saw literally about a half an hour
Speaker:before we jumped on that, the Metformin it's a heavily
Speaker:prescribed drugs for diabetes has been recalled because there are
Speaker:cancer causing agents in that medication. So here's a medication
Speaker:and trying to help people and Oh congratulations. Yeah, we're
Speaker:keeping your diabetes under control, but now we've just introduced
Speaker:the possibility that you're going to have cancer. So welcome
Speaker:to chemo and radiation in it.
Speaker:And a lot of that is driven by how we
Speaker:take care of ourselves, our activity in what weed. Now,
Speaker:some people in working in health care, there are some
Speaker:cultures that unfortunately are programmed to get type two diabetes.
Speaker:They can be healthy, have all of the right indicators,
Speaker:but unfortunately just their, you know, their DNA makeup and
Speaker:the culture where they came from can create those situations.
Speaker:So that's always concerning when I see majorly prescribed a
Speaker:medication being recalled because I'm thinking how many millions and
Speaker:millions of people are taking that. And again, that causes
Speaker:stress. So if you've got a chronic disease you're stressed
Speaker:and actually the key thing about stress is there are,
Speaker:I believe the number is 26 chronic diseases.
Speaker:That stress is actually an element as a potential cause
Speaker:for that chronic disease, hypertension, high blood pressure, all of
Speaker:these things. So if you don't control your stress, you're
Speaker:creating scenarios where you can end up with several other
Speaker:chronic diseases. Unfortunately, you know, again, primary care or, you
Speaker:know, we saw people that had four or five different
Speaker:chronic diseases. And at which means, you know, as a
Speaker:physician, there's all kinds of prescriptions that are being written
Speaker:for these people instead of gravitating them to a better
Speaker:nutrition, more activities and things like that. And I know
Speaker:that they can get off of those medications. I'm a
Speaker:perfect example. You know, I have my cardiac event back
Speaker:in 2009 with my burn-out and all of that stuff.
Speaker:And I'm off all of my heart medications. So don't
Speaker:take them any more because I'm taking nutrients that I've
Speaker:worked with, the nutritionist and natural pet food doctors and
Speaker:all of that and getting a proper exercise and eating
Speaker:vegetables, you know, here's a pro tip at the grocery
Speaker:store or shop the perimeter trying to limit don't. I
Speaker:mean, I'll, by all means, there's things in there are
Speaker:spices and things like that you would want to cook
Speaker:with. That is great. But trying not to make sure
Speaker:that the majority of your food comes in a cardboard
Speaker:box that's that's not good for you. Yeah.
Speaker:It's interesting. You mentioned about the food and nutrition. There
Speaker:was a meme on Facebook a while back and it
Speaker:did, did their own quite a bit. And it was
Speaker:comparing the price of, as you mentioned, by in healthy
Speaker:foods of vegetables, you know, the proper about carbohydrates of
Speaker:proper proteins, etc. And you compare that to like a
Speaker:bottle of pop or a fast food joint McDonald's meal.
Speaker:And you can see a McDonald's meal for three bucks
Speaker:and for the equivalent amount of protein, et cetera, obviously
Speaker:you'd have McDonald's in a healthy protein by the night,
Speaker:but it costs a lot of 20, 25 bucks and
Speaker:to get the same amount of C thresh verge, you
Speaker:know, good, good milk and stuff like that. So I
Speaker:know a lot of governments are, especially with the pandemic
Speaker:that is, you know, they are the real looking at
Speaker:with the serve there at the community is the, you
Speaker:know, the people that put them into power.
Speaker:And one of the things is universal basic income, for
Speaker:example, but, and that's a great start, but do you
Speaker:think that needs to be a and come back to
Speaker:your point and how you get off your medication through
Speaker:a proper nutrition exercise, you know, and, and really looking
Speaker:after yourself due, we need to put as much emphasis
Speaker:on making junk food more expensive than the healthy food,
Speaker:especially for the Lord. And can families, were they switched
Speaker:to the junk food coz that's all that they can
Speaker:basically afford?
Speaker:Yeah. I think there's definitely ways to look at that
Speaker:because, but I have noticed, and I'll, I'll, I'll pick
Speaker:on the golden arches for a minute. They do have
Speaker:a healthy food options. You just have to know what
Speaker:to order, but you know, one of their meals, for
Speaker:example, if you order the number three with a Coke,
Speaker:for example, you know, that's gonna run you, you know,
Speaker:in, in Canada 12, maybe $13, I used to be
Speaker:four or five and now it's 12 or 13. And
Speaker:I have found that you can shop by, I went
Speaker:to the grocery store this morning and hit up the
Speaker:veggie aisle, fresh meats, lean meats, all of that kinda
Speaker:good stuff.
Speaker:And, you know, dividing that by the number of meals
Speaker:that I will get out of that food is considerably
Speaker:cheaper than ordering a number three with a Coke or
Speaker:anything like that. So it's just understanding how to prepare
Speaker:meals and things like that in the end of the
Speaker:internet. And the beautiful thing is, and even there are
Speaker:so many of these meal box systems that are out
Speaker:there as well, that can help you kind of guide
Speaker:yourself to preparing meals that are healthier, fresh ingredients, finding
Speaker:the nutrients that work for you. And I know some
Speaker:people say they don't have time, but here's what they'll
Speaker:do. They'll get home from work and they'll use a
Speaker:food ordering app and have somebody deliver the food for
Speaker:them.
Speaker:I cook dinner last night and I had the veggies.
Speaker:I had starches, I have a lean meats. It was
Speaker:done in 22 minutes and ordering a food app. You're
Speaker:waiting 30 to 45. So they say, well, it's quicker
Speaker:to order may be if you're driving to there from
Speaker:work and picking it up or even, you know, leaving
Speaker:your house and going in there and coming back. And
Speaker:I find that its actually a ch quicker too, make
Speaker:your own meals on top of that. It's one of
Speaker:those things. And this is one of the things that
Speaker:I think a lot of people get in trouble with
Speaker:stress is they multitask. They try to do too many
Speaker:things when you're preparing a meal. And I'll be honest
Speaker:with you. I have not been someone to cook meals
Speaker:up until probably the last four or five years.
Speaker:Actually I'd say probably closer to three years. I find
Speaker:it very therapeutic to be cutting up the vegetables, getting
Speaker:them prepared, whether I'm going to grill them or eat
Speaker:them raw or whatever the case may be preparing the
Speaker:meats Proterra, or if I'm having potatoes or rice taking
Speaker:care of all of those things, it's very therapeutic because
Speaker:you need to pay attention what you're doing, especially if
Speaker:you're using a knife. Okay. And I still have all
Speaker:of my digits. I haven't cut them yet. Knock on
Speaker:wood. But if there's something about that, its it's a,
Speaker:I would almost a, a, a, a self care type
Speaker:of thing for me where it's like, I enjoy cooking.
Speaker:I enjoy preparing things. So I like experimenting with some
Speaker:things and yeah,
Speaker:And I like tasting food and you can't, you can't
Speaker:really taste fast food.
Speaker:I mean, it's got flavor of course, but any more
Speaker:you eat it. And Chuck, how you're feeling, how is
Speaker:your energy levels? How is your gut and all of
Speaker:those things. And again, I, a big component of stress
Speaker:that, and we're starting to see more and more studies
Speaker:about this is your gut activity or a gut bacteria.
Speaker:M w for many of us, you know, in our
Speaker:generation, we were over prescribed antibiotics. And there are studies
Speaker:showing that that has impacted our ability to have a
Speaker:clean digestive systems. So that's why you start seeing the
Speaker:need for antacids and all of those types of things.
Speaker:Because the gut bacteria that we need to break down
Speaker:the foods in properly, you know, divvy the things up
Speaker:to what their supposed to do inside of our bodies
Speaker:has been eaten away a little bit. So your body's
Speaker:is going, I don't know what to do with this
Speaker:stuff. So it sends it back up and you get
Speaker:acid reflux. And it's a, it's a fun thing to
Speaker:have. But again, all of these things like acid reflux,
Speaker:for example, sometimes that flares up at night and it
Speaker:could flare up while you're sleeping, wakes you up. If
Speaker:you have it, well, guess what, you've been interrupted with
Speaker:your sleep. So you're not repairing the damage to your
Speaker:body cause you're not getting good sleep. So that's why
Speaker:nutrition is such an important thing. And well, again, why
Speaker:highly recommended people to work with a nutritionist or dietician
Speaker:to figure out what are the right foods for you?
Speaker:So you can live a better, healthier life and have
Speaker:more natural energy. Instead of the other stimulants that we
Speaker:know we all use and choose,
Speaker:You know, you're a Breakfast Leadership shop that's been going
Speaker:on since 2017. Now I believe crept w has experienced
Speaker:lift up to your expectations and what's been different from
Speaker:what you might've expected here or when you first started
Speaker:to show up.
Speaker:Yeah. And when I launched the show, my original content
Speaker:or in my original intent for the show was I
Speaker:was, I didn't really have a plan to interview anybody.
Speaker:I was just going to have basically a little five
Speaker:to 10 minute snippets on ideas on how to reduce
Speaker:stress and reduce your burnout and things like that. And
Speaker:then, and the first, you know, 50 or 60 episodes
Speaker:of the show, what it was just that. But then
Speaker:I was encouraged by a good colleague of mine to
Speaker:say, you know, you should interview guests. So I started
Speaker:and it, it it's blown me away. The, the fun
Speaker:conversations that I get to have with people across the
Speaker:globe on a variety of different things. So yes, burn
Speaker:out as one of them. But the show is kind
Speaker:of taken on a direction of these are successful.
Speaker:Entrepreneurs are successful people in life. They're doing great things
Speaker:in their share their story as to how they got
Speaker:there because so many people want to do something different
Speaker:in their life than they are doing right now. So
Speaker:it, it provides them some insights behind the curtain scenes
Speaker:of how individuals were able to adjust and pivot and
Speaker:grow in their organizations to get the growth that they
Speaker:want to be, where they want to be. Some of
Speaker:them are not where they want to be up, but
Speaker:they're still growing on doing some great things. And it,
Speaker:it, it has amazing, you know, the reaction. And I
Speaker:get some of the feedback that I get, you know,
Speaker:to get international rankings. I scratch my head and say,
Speaker:why, why, why am I so popular in the UK?
Speaker:I've I've I I'm here. I am a dual citizen.
Speaker:I split time between the United States and Canada. I'm
Speaker:like, well, why is the UK listening to me? And
Speaker:you know, I'm thankful. Believe me, I'm, I'm thrilled that,
Speaker:you know, anybody listens to my show. It's a, it's
Speaker:a good thing, but it's entertaining. It's fun because I've
Speaker:gained so much professional and personal growth from the conversations
Speaker:I've had, having interviews, you know, that our, you know,
Speaker:I'm being interviewed. And obviously the ones that I've held
Speaker:myself, he just gained so much knowledge. And, and I,
Speaker:when people are in, I know a lot of people
Speaker:are familiar with podcasts and now more so than they
Speaker:were even three years ago.
Speaker:And when I explained to people that have never listened
Speaker:before, they said, the beautiful thing that I like about
Speaker:podcasts is if you love to talk radio, imagine just
Speaker:being able to listen to a station or several stations
Speaker:on the exact content you want. Cause if we listened
Speaker:to talk radio in and out, or they may be
Speaker:for segments may be five, six segments, and there is
Speaker:going to be maybe one or two of those segments
Speaker:that are interesting to us. And then the other is
Speaker:for Lincoln. I'm not going to pay any attention, but
Speaker:with this, you can pick and choose and say, I
Speaker:want to listen to this type of content. And again,
Speaker:it's for growth. And, and then of course there's comedy
Speaker:and entertainment shows and things like that. And I know
Speaker:a lot of people listened to those things to, you
Speaker:know, make a, a good harmonious, balanced with things because
Speaker:a lot of the world, we definitely need to laugh
Speaker:more, especially during the pandemic, but long story short, I
Speaker:love the medium.
Speaker:I know it's got a lot of growth coming because
Speaker:there's so many new players that are coming into it,
Speaker:which is going to drive people into it. And it's
Speaker:a great creative, a way to do it in a
Speaker:w what I find best about it is, you know,
Speaker:and just to kinda behind the curtain thing for me
Speaker:is it took me a while to get my feet
Speaker:around when I should do interviews, because it was doing
Speaker:them every day. It was kind of scattered and all
Speaker:of that. And then one of the things that I
Speaker:do for my own stress reduction and prevention is I've
Speaker:themes for every day of my week. So on Mondays,
Speaker:I do, I am a public speaker. So I do
Speaker:a lot of public speaking engagements, all of that virtual
Speaker:now in my luggage, he misses me, but they are
Speaker:all virtual, but Monday is, are the days that I
Speaker:do research on that and reach out to your event
Speaker:planners and a lineup.
Speaker:Some speaking events Tuesdays I use for intro
Speaker:Calls or followup calls. Wednesdays
Speaker:Are my podcast show recording days. That's usually the day
Speaker:I record and less someone can't do it on a
Speaker:Wednesday. Then I've got some flexibility in the Thursdays and
Speaker:Fridays. I don't schedule anything. I leave those open for
Speaker:those last minute. Hey, can we jump on a call
Speaker:this week? Typically I can say, how was your Thursday
Speaker:or Friday? Look, I keep those open. I'm thankful that,
Speaker:and it's taken time for me to figure that out,
Speaker:but I know by having themes for every day of
Speaker:the week, I don't have to think about really anything
Speaker:differently than, okay. Today is Monday. And my focus is
Speaker:on speaking Tuesdays, let's have some calls and learn some
Speaker:new things about people, Wednesdays, I'm wearing this thing and
Speaker:doing what we're doing right now and on Thursdays and
Speaker:Fridays can be a little bit more, I don't want
Speaker:to say chaotic, but they have a lot of different
Speaker:flavors to them based on what is come up from,
Speaker:from the week.
Speaker:And by doing that, I don't have to shift gears
Speaker:and do different things all the time. And I think
Speaker:that's something that most people can do that even if
Speaker:they're working for an organization, I think it's a good
Speaker:idea to sort out and figure out, you know, where,
Speaker:you know, the world makes sense. So during your week
Speaker:in, you work with your manager and say, Hey, I
Speaker:got an idea. I'm going to try this and what
Speaker:will happen as you know, okay, Wednesdays, I work on
Speaker:the financials or Thursdays, I work on follow up calls
Speaker:or whatever it makes sense for you by doing that,
Speaker:your brain is working on likeminded tasks. So its not
Speaker:so hard to shift gears into doing different things that
Speaker:just makes it a little bit more organized.
Speaker:And I think by doing that, it helps reduce a
Speaker:lot of the stress of switching gears and multitasking. And
Speaker:all of it
Speaker:Is that they speak in of stress. And I know
Speaker:you'd alluded to it earlier, your medical event, back in
Speaker:2009, you had quite an adventure from, for want of
Speaker:a better description. And obviously you had a heart attack,
Speaker:but you also had some personal stuff that happened at
Speaker:the same time. Yep. And I can only imagine how
Speaker:all of that combined, you know, it would have affected
Speaker:you So so what happened there are and how did
Speaker:you react? I guess?
Speaker:Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, real quickly and in 2009,
Speaker:after being a healthcare executive at a start-up health care
Speaker:organization for a couple of years, over a period of
Speaker:a year, 369 days from May, 2009 to May, 2010,
Speaker:I had a heart attack that should have killed me.
Speaker:I lost my job during the great recession. My car
Speaker:was repossessed in my home was foreclosed all in a
Speaker:year. I'm in why did those things happened? Because I
Speaker:was burned out. I was so burned out. I wasn't
Speaker:taking care of myself. My nutrition plan was breakfast, lunch
Speaker:and dinner talking into a Microphone driving around the corner
Speaker:painting and getting handed a Brown back though.
Speaker:That was my meal plan because I was working so
Speaker:many hours in this ironically health care organization. I wasn't
Speaker:taking care of myself. You know, health care organizations tell
Speaker:people how to live their lives, but here I was
Speaker:not walking the walk. And then when, after you lose
Speaker:your job during the great recession, there wasn't a lot
Speaker:of jobs available. And that area that I was in
Speaker:and Oh, congratulations. Now you're on all of these heart
Speaker:medications. So it was costing me a thousand dollars a
Speaker:month because I didn't have any drug insurance coverage. And
Speaker:I was on unemployment, which means lot less income coming
Speaker:in. You have to pay for food for your family
Speaker:in all of a sudden, a a thousand dollars a
Speaker:month for drugs and not the fun kind of drugs,
Speaker:but the stuff that keeps you alive, maybe I should
Speaker:have taken those instead of probably would have felt better.
Speaker:I don't know. I'm not judging, you know, that they
Speaker:were saying, Oh yes or no butt end of the
Speaker:day, when you do that, it impacts your ability to
Speaker:pay other bills. And of course I worked with all
Speaker:of our creditors and they all gave us grace, you
Speaker:know, for a period of time. But unfortunately that grace
Speaker:period ran out in the bank, they exercise their right
Speaker:to take back to the vehicle in foreclosure to the
Speaker:home. And I don't blame them. You know, it, the
Speaker:was we had an agreement. I didn't live up to
Speaker:the agreement of course have circumstances. But at the end
Speaker:of the day, I couldn't pay bills. And if you
Speaker:can't pay bills, you know, they have a right to
Speaker:take that step back and they did. And, but all
Speaker:of those things happened because I was burned out and
Speaker:I wasn't taking care of myself. So after surviving all
Speaker:of those things, I, you know, had a choice.
Speaker:So it was like, well, I survived them. I get
Speaker:my must be Superman. I'm not going to change a
Speaker:thing. Or I realize I never want to go through
Speaker:a year like that ever again. What do I need
Speaker:to do to make sure that doesn't happen? And I
Speaker:did a lot of deep work and a lot of
Speaker:reflection, an intro. It was kind of looking in and
Speaker:I did it in a caring, loving way. Some very
Speaker:thankful that some people very close to me told me
Speaker:its like, you know, look within, but don't judge just
Speaker:observe, you know, the choices and the behaviors and thoughts
Speaker:that you did. The, that led up to that year
Speaker:of worst case scenario. And then from there I see
Speaker:what areas you can make adjustments and to prevent that
Speaker:from happening again.
Speaker:And that's what I did, you know, for me, you
Speaker:know, I, I made the choice to completely reinvent myself.
Speaker:Now for most people that are burned out, I don't
Speaker:want to scare them. No, you don't have to re-invent
Speaker:yourself. Or the majority of people don't they have to
Speaker:make some adjustments in their lives and a couple of
Speaker:things and that can make a big difference and even
Speaker:stopping burnout. Doesn't take a lot to stop it, get
Speaker:good sleep, eat better, get active control your inputs of
Speaker:what your watching and consuming rest to be thankful for
Speaker:things that you're thankful for a, especially on the Canadian
Speaker:Thanksgiving weekend, be thankful even though, or in the middle
Speaker:of a pandemic, there's still a ton of things to
Speaker:be thankful for and, and focus on that and that
Speaker:can stop the burnout.
Speaker:But then the deeper work people need to do is
Speaker:to determine what led up to the burnout in the
Speaker:first place. What were my thoughts, my beliefs, my habits,
Speaker:those things. And that takes a bit more work because
Speaker:you have to look within. And a lot of people
Speaker:are very afraid to do that. But if you do
Speaker:do it with love, love yourself because you're never with
Speaker:anybody than yourself ever. Even if you have a sidekick,
Speaker:that's always at your side, you're still, you know, you
Speaker:live with yourself everyday your life. So you've got to
Speaker:love yourself and look and see why those things happen.
Speaker:And I recommend if, if, if you're having difficulties with
Speaker:that to work with the therapist to, to guide you
Speaker:through that, I didn't in those early days, I did
Speaker:the work for myself.
Speaker:I think it would've been beneficial for me to work
Speaker:with the therapist earlier. I think it would have expedited
Speaker:some things and probably provide a little bit more clarity
Speaker:on some things that took a little bit longer for
Speaker:me to figure out. But at the end of the
Speaker:day, I'm living the ideal life now and I'm happy
Speaker:to be alive obviously and help others, you know, navigate
Speaker:their burnout journey as well.
Speaker:And where are you ever concerned? Or if you're like,
Speaker:because obviously as you mentioned, you had to reinvent yourself,
Speaker:there was certain decisions you had to make too to
Speaker:really avoid or what had happened and the run-up to
Speaker:your, your event, your, your health issues, or were you
Speaker:ever concerned to, as you were gone through the rebuilding
Speaker:process that you may be taking on more stress or
Speaker:more burnout because you know, you don't want to start
Speaker:from scratch. You've got bills to pay, you've got responsibilities,
Speaker:but you've also got a new life again for want
Speaker:of a better description to build. And were you concerned
Speaker:that you may end up back to square one because
Speaker:of what you will know taken on
Speaker:Early on? Yes. I was concerned that burnout would creep
Speaker:back in, but thankfully I knew the signs of burnout
Speaker:at that point. I certainly didn't know them before, although
Speaker:they were all there and loved ones and friends and
Speaker:family tried to warn me, but I wouldn't listen to
Speaker:them. And I think that was a big, big mistake
Speaker:on my part. I could have potentially had it off.
Speaker:So many of those losses, if I would have caught
Speaker:it and started doing things differently, who knows about the
Speaker:cardiac event, you know, that that could have been something
Speaker:that could have come up, but at least they could
Speaker:have potentially been put on some medications to unblock the
Speaker:arteries and things like that. So I wouldn't of had
Speaker:to have a heart attack, but it's hard to say,
Speaker:but once, you know, starting a new and rebuilding, I
Speaker:looked at it and, and this was a mindset thing
Speaker:that I looked at it from a point of curiosity
Speaker:and I was intentional about choices and thoughts.
Speaker:And literally, I mean, of course that slows things down
Speaker:a bit, which I think is a good thing for
Speaker:many of us is when I made a decision or
Speaker:if I reacted to something I would pause and say,
Speaker:okay, why am I either happy about this? Or why
Speaker:am I upset about this particular moment? And now even,
Speaker:I'll be honest with you. I even had this conversation
Speaker:with my better half and myself earlier today, you know,
Speaker:regarding this pandemic and governments closing things down and, you
Speaker:know, really impacting businesses and families and, you know, wondering,
Speaker:okay, is a blanket approach to close everything down the
Speaker:right thing to do, or should they be more pin-point
Speaker:on the problem areas instead of just doing a blanket
Speaker:closing of everything and really struggled with that and was
Speaker:borderline upset about the situation.
Speaker:And, but upon reflection, looking at it going, okay, I
Speaker:think as a society and everybody should look to whatever
Speaker:decisions are being made by others as their intent is
Speaker:to do the best that they think that they can
Speaker:do at this moment with the information that they have
Speaker:and go at it in a non-judgemental way. And its
Speaker:easy for us, especially with social media and everything else
Speaker:and S presidential elections. It's just, there's all kinds of
Speaker:stress going on all over the place. And we're very
Speaker:quick to judge and say, they shouldn't do this, you
Speaker:know, and to get on our soap box and start
Speaker:pointing and yelling, it doesn't help anything.
Speaker:It doesn't make things better. All it does is it
Speaker:builds up or stress and you know, thankfully we caught
Speaker:it. You know, I took me a little bit, cause
Speaker:sometimes I'm slow when it comes to things like that.
Speaker:I got a history for that, but at the end
Speaker:of the day, you know, I realize, okay, what can
Speaker:I do? What are the things that I can do
Speaker:to tell with the situation? Okay. So if I'm concerned
Speaker:about will pick on restaurants, cause a lot of In
Speaker:in Toronto with all of the restaurants or are being
Speaker:closer to it, to our dining room as of today.
Speaker:So in that situation, I can still order food from
Speaker:my favorite restaurants. There are still open for takeout, obviously
Speaker:pick a nutrition foods and all of that.
Speaker:But again, it's one of those things were for me,
Speaker:it was being empathetic for the potential losses that that
Speaker:business has and the people that work for it and
Speaker:the ripple effect. And again, it goes back to then
Speaker:I'll be honest with it. It's a trigger because it
Speaker:brings me back to my experience of losing everything. And
Speaker:I don't want people to go through that. That's why
Speaker:I do the work that I do. I don't want
Speaker:people to have burnout, create those scenarios where they could
Speaker:lose their job, their car, their house had to relocate
Speaker:to a brand new community and leave friends and family
Speaker:behind it. It's not, that's not a pleasant and I
Speaker:don't want people to go through that experience. That's why
Speaker:I stand on my soap box and say burn-out is
Speaker:dangerous.
Speaker:You don't want to mess with it.
Speaker:Oh no, you sure you had mentioned earlier, you show
Speaker:a three years old or if it's a little over
Speaker:three years old and obviously you mentioned you got listers
Speaker:in the UK and let me know how to get
Speaker:in touch with you. And that's a really growing the
Speaker:way you want it to. What are your goals for
Speaker:the future of the show? I know you've you mentioned
Speaker:it came from just being yourself, talking about some topics.
Speaker:Now it's the The Breakfast Leadership show. We have talking
Speaker:to people every, you know, every episode, what your goals,
Speaker:you know, for show and its direction.
Speaker:I think for the next few years, especially with what's
Speaker:going on in this pandemic is, eh, there's a lot
Speaker:of potential that I probably need to have either some
Speaker:spinoffs of the show, that to focus on more specific
Speaker:on a separate items, you know, health obviously is a
Speaker:big concern of mine for people, maybe doing a focal
Speaker:point on that small business, you know, the, the heart
Speaker:and soul of so many countries. That's why I bring
Speaker:in a lot of people to help small business leaders
Speaker:and to grow their businesses and do things that will
Speaker:learn from experiences of others. And then obviously the burnout
Speaker:side of things and making sure that there's, you know,
Speaker:tips that people that are hearing again and again on
Speaker:how to quickly stop burnout and then started doing the
Speaker:deeper work to figure out why you burned out in
Speaker:the first place.
Speaker:That's why I'm a certified CBT cognitive behavioral therapy and
Speaker:neuro linguistic programming NLP therapist. I went out and got
Speaker:those certificates because what I was finding in working with
Speaker:people in teams is a lot of the situations that
Speaker:led to their burnout, including myself, it was their thoughts
Speaker:are beliefs or behaviors. And that's why, you know, getting
Speaker:certified in those two practices has been really helpful for
Speaker:me to be able to guide people, to look within
Speaker:and see, okay, why do you think you burned out?
Speaker:Okay, what were the ingredients? What were your choices?
Speaker:Why did you react that way and get them thinking
Speaker:about some things? So they recognize, okay, my thoughts on
Speaker:this lead me to make these choices, which turned into
Speaker:this situation, which created this situation, which led me to
Speaker:have prolonged stress and prolonged stress turns into burnout. And
Speaker:it's been really helpful for insights to me is why
Speaker:people burn out and more importantly, what they can do
Speaker:to get out of it and, and crucially prevent it
Speaker:from happening again,
Speaker:The spinoff, Sandra cool, as a sound like I'm a
Speaker:light on the first episode of the season, I was
Speaker:speaking to a couple of ladies and gentlemen, Rachel, and
Speaker:they have like a, a spin off of their show
Speaker:where they concentrate on share and, and Tokyo is of
Speaker:black indigenous. And, you know, people of color's a Stories,
Speaker:which I think is real cool to see Podcaster move
Speaker:away. As you mention to your own podcasts, to move
Speaker:over from, see at the core, not really to move
Speaker:away, but that still the core message, but still have
Speaker:these little offshoots. And when you see on TV all
Speaker:the time, you have, you know, main episodes on say
Speaker:Amazon or Netflix, and then you have a little spinoff.
Speaker:So the star Wars movie, you got like the Solo
Speaker:movie on the road one or whatever.
Speaker:And I think it's interesting to see podcasts as to
Speaker:how to think about, you know, yourself, a lot of
Speaker:the time podcasts, I just don't get taken seriously. I
Speaker:have a lot of geeks on our basement. So in
Speaker:our bedrooms can, you can leave the video game quarters
Speaker:back in the eighties. So its really cool to see
Speaker:you move to that direction as well. And if so,
Speaker:what, what did you go with that? Or are you
Speaker:looking to launch that next year or is it like
Speaker:a three or five year plan or
Speaker:Let's start looking into it for 2021 for sure. Because
Speaker:I've got a backload of interviews that are coming up
Speaker:over the next a month or so I tend to
Speaker:take the entire month of December off. So I don't
Speaker:do hardly anything. I, I dabble in a little things,
Speaker:but I started doing that a couple of years ago
Speaker:just for my own well being and self care its
Speaker:like I've had a, it's a good way for me
Speaker:to reflect on the year and look and do some,
Speaker:you know, business planning and what not, you know, its
Speaker:not like I just sit on the couch and, and
Speaker:stare at the television and watch college football bowl games
Speaker:all the time, which I will do. Although I don't
Speaker:know how the bowl games are going to be this
Speaker:year because they started so late I and who knows?
Speaker:I haven't looked at as far ahead, but I anticipate
Speaker:there'll be something for me to consume, but when you
Speaker:take a break and get away from your normal work
Speaker:pace, that's when clarity can come in. And even if
Speaker:you have a, you know, a really structured work day
Speaker:and things like that and giving yourself a ton of
Speaker:self-care time and whatnot is going to allow me to
Speaker:start thinking about that. And you know, he was like
Speaker:the, the spinning off of the Show has been back
Speaker:of my mind for several months now and with the
Speaker:organization, you know the name of it being The Breakfast
Speaker:Leadership Network that tells you it's an Network that means
Speaker:that there's other things to it. And I, I have
Speaker:the media arts, I've got the speaking from the podcast,
Speaker:the, the writing and content creation on all of that
Speaker:is kind of the umbrella on it.
Speaker:But I think other shows go into it and you
Speaker:know, there's, you know, a distinct possibility that it can
Speaker:bring on additional host to host something along one of
Speaker:those channels and say, okay, this is part of the
Speaker:Breakfast Leadership network. They talk about this subject and they
Speaker:Nisha to niche down, depending on how you say the
Speaker:word in that particular, you know, row or column I
Speaker:should say, and you can spit out. So those were
Speaker:things that have been on top of mind for a
Speaker:while and then it kind of hash it out. And
Speaker:as with anything that I tend to do, I try
Speaker:to have it go organically. Yes. I kind of guide
Speaker:it on certain things, but I think that there's opportunities
Speaker:here for me to say, okay, let's, let's start focusing
Speaker:on this and you can still do the interviews that
Speaker:I do.
Speaker:And when I see, you know, someone coming at a,
Speaker:okay, it's an author, they are writing about employee wellness
Speaker:and this and this it's like, okay, that could go
Speaker:into the health segment or they could go into a
Speaker:business segment again, depending on how the conversation goes, but
Speaker:segue it into those things. And I just tell my
Speaker:podcast editor, okay, you use this intro and outro for
Speaker:this one and, and were good. But I, I think
Speaker:that's, that's probably the, the direction I think the show
Speaker:is going to take, you know, I'm very fortunate. I
Speaker:get to talk to amazing human beings globally, all over
Speaker:the world. And from former orchestra directors to people that
Speaker:worked at NASA to incredible business thought leaders to billionaires,
Speaker:to you name it in its wonderful.
Speaker:And you know this from, you know, being a host
Speaker:and anybody who's listening that ever wants to launch their
Speaker:own show is you can get access to people that
Speaker:would be very difficult in the quote unquote old days.
Speaker:You need to talk with them. All of a sudden
Speaker:you get them on your show. You're having a one-on-one
Speaker:conversation. And I've had some conversations with people that I've
Speaker:had their books for over a decade and I'm interviewing
Speaker:them, I'm talking to them and I'm picking their brain
Speaker:and I'm asking them, what about this? What about this?
Speaker:And there are all gracious with their time and they
Speaker:tell you here's this and this and this and those
Speaker:little nuggets that we can all give each other. And
Speaker:our experiences makes it such a huge difference in moving
Speaker:people forward to the next level that they want to
Speaker:get too.
Speaker:And I'm a big fan of the pie is so
Speaker:big. Not any of us can eat all of it.
Speaker:There's so much of it. Let's bring everybody there and,
Speaker:and eat the pie and, and enjoy it. And hopefully,
Speaker:and there's different flavors too. So if you hate pumpkin
Speaker:pie and you love Apple pie, there's that too. There's
Speaker:plenty of it. So, you know, I, I made it
Speaker:a point to whenever I can help people with anything
Speaker:that I know something about or know somebody that doesn't
Speaker:know something more than happy to help them out because
Speaker:it just makes the world better.
Speaker:Yeah. Which I think we definitely, as you mentioned that
Speaker:at this time, especially with the pandemic in people being
Speaker:either on the roll and because of isolation are not
Speaker:being able to connect with other people in the normal
Speaker:a bit it's as like you said, it's so key
Speaker:to us to look out for each other. Now you
Speaker:mentioned, obviously you speak to a lot of different people
Speaker:and a lot of different leaders across multiple industries and,
Speaker:and expertise, et cetera. And not only have a question
Speaker:that ask him to show up for my favorite episode,
Speaker:stuff like that, but I'm going to, I want to
Speaker:spend that a little bit differently. Okay. So who, and
Speaker:it doesn't necessarily have to be your, your show, but
Speaker:who is your favorite leaders? An example of a leader
Speaker:are a great little ship and who is your hero
Speaker:of all the time and why?
Speaker:Okay. It probably, and I have interviewed this individual. I
Speaker:would love the opportunity, but I have spoken with him
Speaker:before. And it's a Alan Malali, he's the former CEO
Speaker:of Ford motor company. And also the former CEO of
Speaker:Boeing before they had the airplane issue that they are
Speaker:dealing with right now. And it was, it was several
Speaker:years ago, had the opportunity to meet him a couple
Speaker:of years ago at a Leadership event and had a,
Speaker:you know, brief couple of minute conversation with him. One-on-one
Speaker:after his talk. Now I was familiar with him because
Speaker:I grew up in the Detroit area. I know all
Speaker:about Ford motor company in my grandfather worked for them.
Speaker:My, my, my, my family three generations worked for general
Speaker:motors had uncles that work for Chrysler.
Speaker:So I, I know the auto sector really, really well.
Speaker:And you know, so he was the keynote for this
Speaker:event and I'd never heard him. I was familiar with
Speaker:him, but I never heard him speak. And I never
Speaker:really knew some of the backdrop and how he was
Speaker:able to turn Ford motor company around at the time
Speaker:that he led the organization. Because when he took over,
Speaker:you know, they were bleeding really badly and all kinds
Speaker:of different things and his approach to leadership and how
Speaker:he gave permission for his employees to bring him the
Speaker:bad news without repercussion was amazing because so many people
Speaker:are afraid to go to their boss and say, I
Speaker:think we're going to lose a billion dollars in Q3.
Speaker:Well, previous administrations, a Ford, they would never report that.
Speaker:They'd hide it in, of course the numbers would come
Speaker:out and never, it would be shocked. Like how did
Speaker:this happen? Well, he created a scenario that I want
Speaker:people to come in and give me the bad news
Speaker:so we can all talk about it and figure out
Speaker:ways to fix it. And then finally, one of the
Speaker:directors or VPs presented something to them and it was
Speaker:a loss position and he stood up and he clapped.
Speaker:And of course that's not the reaction. A lot of
Speaker:people that think of what happened, but he stood up
Speaker:and clapped. Cause he said, thank you for being open
Speaker:and transparent, honest with what's really going on. Of course,
Speaker:the next week. And everybody else was open and transparent
Speaker:and it was a sea of red and that's when
Speaker:things started to change because then everything was out in
Speaker:the open, they knew it was going on.
Speaker:And then they started making the adjustments to turn things
Speaker:around and, and, and make Ford successful. Again, at that
Speaker:time, as again, growing up in the auto sector, it's
Speaker:a roller coaster. There are some great times there's some
Speaker:bed up down. Of course the great recession was really
Speaker:bad, but you know, and we're seeing now all kinds
Speaker:of adjustments in the auto sector as well, but Malala
Speaker:is definitely, probably somewhat, I would love to interview and
Speaker:I, and I've heard him talk and he, he gives
Speaker:a great, great talk as far as my favorite leader
Speaker:of all time, a hands down Winston Churchill and the
Speaker:reason being in, you know, I saw the darkest hour
Speaker:and I have followed Churchill and studied him.
Speaker:I mean, I look at him sometimes as the accidental
Speaker:leader and, or the reluctant leader, there's all kinds of
Speaker:different things that I kind of associate with him and
Speaker:what he had to do with pretty much the zero
Speaker:by-in to navigate, you know, the UK
Speaker:Through the war, you know, world war II, right
Speaker:In the decision's in the things that had to happen
Speaker:exactly the way that they did in working with the
Speaker:allies and everything else, it again with no one believing
Speaker:in him. 'cause, you know, when he finally got it
Speaker:and everyone pretty much saying it because he tried to
Speaker:be that role for years and it didn't even get
Speaker:close. And all of a sudden here he is, and
Speaker:how we navigated through that and, you know, stood up
Speaker:for what he thought was right, is inspiring. And sometimes,
Speaker:and we know this in leadership, it can be lonely
Speaker:at the top. And the reason they say that is
Speaker:because a lot of people don't buy into you, your
Speaker:vision and the direction that you want to take an
Speaker:organization or government or a country, but the resolve that
Speaker:he had that was inspiring.
Speaker:And, you know, it's, you know,
