Planning a big trip or move? Feeling restless in your daily life?

Consult your Astrology Chart!

Did you know that your Astrology Chart could tell you when you should travel?

In today's episode, we talk with Zoe Cardiff - Astrology Expert & Tarot Reader, based in South Florida. Zoe has spent the last decade of her life traveling the world and diving deep into Astrology, sharing her knowledge with the world on social media. Zoe offers private Astrology readings, giving you a deeper look into what adventures are written into the stars for you!

In this conversation, we talk about:

• Astrology 101
• Zoe's most life changing trip across Europe
• How your birth chart can show whether you should travel
• Zoe reads Kelly's Birth Chart!
• Get ready to dive into an epic conversation!

To connect with Zoe:

• Website
• Instagram
• TikTok

Resources:

• Astro Seek

What We Discuss:

• 0:45 - Intro to Zoe
• 2:00 - How Zoe got started in Astrology
• 4:00 - Astrology 101
• 6:50 - What it’s like to do sessions with clients
• 10:00 - How Astrology helped Zoe have her first Aha moment in travel
• 12:00 - Booked a one-way ticket to Berlin
• 14:30 - How she felt at the end of her trip
• 18:45 - What is a birth chart?
• 20:30 - What to look for in your birth chart that indicates travel
• 25:10 - Zoe’s favorite Astrology reading website
• 26:00 - Diving into The Big 3 in Astrology
• 29:00 - What is a Saturn Return?
• 32:54 - Zoe reads Kelly’s chart
• 36:00 - Zoe reads her own chart
• 42:50 - Final Thoughts on Travel

Thanks for tuning in!

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• Instagram @risingnatureretreats
• Website

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Kelly: Here we go.

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Welcome to the transform with travel

podcast, where we share stories of

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personal transformation and life

lessons through our experiences of

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traveling and exploring the world.

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Travel is the ultimate accelerator

for personal growth, and it can be

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the root catalyst for the pivots and

plot twists we make in our lives.

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I'm your host, Kelly Tolliday, and

it's my mission to inspire you to

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live life to its fullest, travel with

an open mind and heart, and let the

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world show you a new perspective.

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I'm so grateful you're here with

us today, so let's dive right in.

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Happy exploring!

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/All right, here we go.

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Welcome, Zoe, to the pod.

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So excited to have you here.

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I'm excited to be here.

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Yeah, thanks.

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We have known each other for well

over a year now, I believe, in the

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same alternative wellness space.

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And We've been working together on

local events here in South Florida and

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really being able to dive deep into the

world of astrology and, and sharing with

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our community what you're passionate

about, which is astrology and tarot.

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And you are a professional

astrology reader and tarot

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reader here in South Florida.

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You also do online

readings, which is amazing.

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I know we've done zoom readings before.

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And so it's a great way for people

really all over the world to be able

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to connect with you and, and share

in your passion and learn more about

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your charts and a little bit about

what the stars say in their future.

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But yeah, I would love to just open this

time up for you to share a little bit

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about your background, like where you're

from and your passion for astrology

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and how that all started and how that.

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you know, ties into your love for

travel and all the good things.

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Zoe: Okay.

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Thank you so much for having me here.

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I'm really excited to talk about the

two things that I love the most in the

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world, which are travel and astrology,

and then my boyfriend, which is third.

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But so I started my astrology business

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For years, and I loved being a

waitress because I, it gave me the

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ability to travel whenever I, you

know, whenever I wanted to, and I

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just felt fine with it, you know but

sort of by divine intervention, I

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guess I started to get really, really

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And it was just something I did

on the side, something that I

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did for friends of mine and my

boyfriend and everything like that.

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And then I was working and

everything closed and I was bored

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and I wasn't making any money and

I was like, well, what can I do?

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I'm like, well, maybe...

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Maybe people would want astrology

readings, you know, so I started to

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post about it on Instagram and post

my knowledge and my insights and offer

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readings very at a very low cost, just

really because I wanted something to do.

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And it sort of snowballed from there.

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I took a lot of courses, you know,

through that time too, because

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I had the leisure time to do it.

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I was doing like readings for people.

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I was getting really good feedback.

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And then when it was time to

go back to work, I was like,

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I'm not gonna go back to work.

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I'm gonna make this work because it's

something that I really love and I'm

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passionate about and I'm good at it.

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And I realized that through

this weird covid experience.

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And so that's how I started my

professional astrology business.

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And I really started meeting people

in the Fort Lauderdale community and

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doing in person events, which was

great because I met people in real

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life that were interested in the

same things that I was interested in.

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I was able to hone my craft

through doing readings in person,

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which I feel like is much more.

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I love doing online readings because I

can reach many more people, but having

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that time to do in person readings,

I think, is really nice as well.

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So that's where it started for me.

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And then, so, how it sort of

intersects with my love for travel.

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Not that it intersects, but it's still, I

always said I never want a job that does

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not allow me the time or the space and the

funds to be able to travel when I want.

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That's something that I love.

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And this astrology business

gives me the ability to do that,

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too, because I'm my own boss.

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Kelly: Gives you like

the freedom to choose.

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When you work, where you work, and you

could even technically work while you're

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away too because you can do online work.

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And so how did the tarot get involved?

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If you can explain a little bit,

because I know we're going to talk a

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lot about astrology during the session,

but if you could just explain like

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a little bit about what tarot is for

those who are listening that have.

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No idea, I've never heard of it.

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Zoe: Basically, tarot is a form

of divination where it's cards

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that have pictures on them

and they sort of tell a story.

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And so you ask a question.

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Usually with tarot, it's better to stay

less specific, sort of more general.

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The way that I practice it.

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And then Tara will kind of just

like read the energy and give you

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the message that you need to hear.

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I always think that Tara doesn't tell

us anything that we don't already know.

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It just is reflected back to us

through a different, you know, conduit.

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Either it's me or you're reading for

yourself and you're sort of seeing

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your position or your situation

from a different perspective.

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So, yeah, it's, it's a, it's a

beautiful form of divination.

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Awesome.

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Yeah.

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Kelly: And with the astrology, also

for those who don't know a lot about

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astrology, could you give, just give

a little like basics 101 of, I know we

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could go for like five episodes based

just on, just on the basics, but for

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someone who has never heard of it before,

what would, how would you describe that?

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Zoe: There are many, many schools

of astrology different ways to

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interpret the planetary movements.

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And it's actually a form of divination

and sort of like sky study that's been

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around in every, Culture and recorded

history has studied astrology in some

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way, some form of astrology goes back

thousands and thousands of years.

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And so it basically is the interpretation

of planetary movements from our position

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here on earth, literally how they look,

you know, it's sort of because before

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there were telescopes or computers, people

were just watching the movements of, say,

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the moon and seeing how when the moon is.

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Is full.

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There are culmination

points in people's lives.

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People are much more emotional, and

there can be outbursts, and then the moon

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gets smaller, and we have a new moon,

and, you know, new new ideas begin to

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emerge, or bloom, and just literally,

like, watching, watching the sky and

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then, of course, it's become much more

technical, but it's still the same.

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It's the same property as what is

happening in the sky affects us

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here on earth as above so below.

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And whereas tarot is much more in my

opinion, again, everybody is different,

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but tarot has much more wiggle room.

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It's much more open to interpretation.

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Astrology is very detailed

and very specific.

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Kelly: Yeah.

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And I can imagine that would have

taken a lot of time and study on

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your part to really hone in on your

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Zoe: skills.

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Yeah.

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I think as an astrologer, you're never

done learning, but for me, I'm never done

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learning, and that's the beauty of it.

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Astrology can be extremely maddening,

too, because it's confusing.

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You know, we all have birth charts, and so

most people are very familiar with their

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sun sign, which is obviously will tell

you a lot about, you know, your your ego

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and your identity, and how you kind of get

your needs met or move through the world.

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But there's so much more than that.

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And each of our charts, they're like

snowflakes, you know, they're all

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different, but also they're very nuanced.

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And so there can be a few aspects

in the chart that say one thing.

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And then there are other

aspects that contradict that.

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But we are contradictory nuanced people.

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So it Can be very sort of

confusing, but in a beautiful way.

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And there's always like

another rabbit hole to go down.

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And explore.

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So yeah, I'll never

stop learning astrology.

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Yeah.

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And

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Kelly: what has that been like for

you, working with people one on one?

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It could almost feel like, I mean,

I've had a couple sessions with

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you, not just for my own chart,

but also for my daughter's, which

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has been such a cool experience.

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I love that.

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It could almost, I'm sure,

feel like a therapy session.

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People were probably unloading

a lot on you or asking, should

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I break up with my boyfriend?

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Should I move?

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And it's like, whoa.

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That's a very specific, very thing.

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Like you said, nuance, decision

how do you handle that kind of

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Zoe: pressure?

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So I do feel that the readings that

I do and that anybody, I mean, I've

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had readings, readings, and they feel

like therapy sessions, but they are

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that way because you're really getting

to know this person very intimately.

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And so I always really try to create

like a, a very open and accepting

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and safe space for lack of a better

word, you know, for people to

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really open up to me and sometimes

they'll be like, Oh, I'm so sorry.

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I'm like unloading on you.

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I'm like, that's what this is for, you

know so sometimes it's very overwhelming

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for me, energetically, emotionally.

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It doesn't mean that I don't

love it, but I used to do like

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six or seven readings in a day.

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I can't do that anymore.

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You know, it's just too much and

it, I think it does a disservice

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to my, to my clients too.

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So I try to light candles.

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I try to, in my office, set the mood, set

the tone to just protect my energy as much

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as I can and to be open the other person.

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The thing is that if, if someone asks

me a specific question, it's not, number

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one, I try not to give my opinion.

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Even though I have opinions.

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I'm a human, you know, but I

try not to give my opinion.

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I say based on the astrology,

this would be the most favorable,

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a favorable path to take.

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There's a possibility for this.

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I try to leave it open for them, you

know, because astrology is the synergizing

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or the merging of fate and free will.

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Both are happening at the same time,

you know, so it's not like everything

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is totally in stone laid out for us, and

there are no, even with, with astrology,

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with tarot, with psychic readings, there

are no definitive answers, I don't think,

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it's, I just want to give people the tools

to make the best decisions for themselves.

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Kelly: Yeah.

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I really, really love.

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I've heard you say that before in

some of our community events, the

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synergy of free will and fate.

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And I think that just really sums up

the human experience, really, if you

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believe in a higher power, right?

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There's a lot of people that just hand

everything over to that higher power

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and, oh, well, I'm just the victim.

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There's, I don't have any say in this.

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Or there's some people that

don't believe in power.

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Any sort of higher power at all,

whatever, whatever that sounds

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like, looks like praise like to

you, but there's some people that

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don't believe in anything at all.

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And it's like, well, I control

everything and like it's

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totally meeting in the middle.

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And when you find that little sweet

spot of finding that meat in the

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middle, I think it allows for a lot of.

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Ease and a lot of grace and a lot of

surrender in your life, which it sounds

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like you're a pretty avid traveler.

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You definitely need to have a lot of ease

and grace and surrender as you travel.

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There's a lot of fate and there's

a lot of free will, but you can't

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control everything and you got to

have some semblance of, you know,

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a plan while you're traveling or

else sometimes things go crazy.

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How does that play out

for you when you travel?

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Are you like, kind of go with the flow?

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Do you like to have a plan for everything?

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How does you taking your practice of

teaching this fate and free will mixture

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play out for you while you travel?

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Zoe: So I am a self

described control freak.

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I really, I really am.

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Hey,

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Kelly: I'm right over here too.

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Don't

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Zoe: worry.

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I have a real problem with control.

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I'm a Taurus Sun Scorpio rising.

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Okay, so I have a lot of fixed energy.

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Fixed signs hold on to things.

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But it depends on the trip, so you

asked in the beginning how astrology

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and travel intersect for me.

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I will tell you how sort of

astrology played a part in me

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really finding myself and having

my first aha moment through travel.

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When I was 28, I was

into astrology, but not.

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As nearly as deep as, as I am

now, of course, I knew that we're

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more than just our sun sign.

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I read my horoscope.

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I knew I was doing the first initial

studies to, to get to that depth.

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And when I was 28, I started to go through

a real, I remember I wrote my journal

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cause I keep copious journals actually.

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And I wrote like, I feel

like something is coming.

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Like I feel this.

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Deep internal restlessness that something

is going to happen, and little did I know

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that Uranus, which is this planet that

represents expansion, not even expansion,

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sudden change, redirection, it's the

piercing sword of truth, it's it gives

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you this inner sense of restlessness, like

where you want to break free of anything

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that feels limiting or restricting, it

is a outer planet, we can't see it with

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the naked eye, it spends eight years in

a sign and it's a very intense energy.

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So little did I know when I was feeling

this, Uranus was about to come into

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a conjunction, which is with my son.

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A conjunction is when two planets are very

close to each other and their energies

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are linked or meshed or merged, right?

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So the sun is the self.

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It's me.

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It's my ability to act out in the world.

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It's my identity.

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And Uranus was there.

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Listen, I quit my job.

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I was going through really

crazy stuff with my.

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Boyfriend, the situationship I

was in who is my boyfriend now.

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But it was weird, you know,

it was like everything seemed

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like it was in flux and moving.

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And I had traveled before and I loved it.

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I'd fallen in love with it when I was 25.

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We can talk about that if you'd like.

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But I never had traveled

solo, like totally alone.

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But I had always wanted to.

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I was afraid and I was I was, I

was afraid, you know, to do it.

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But when I was going through this

deep transformation, I got so

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into Buddhism, and I was my, I was

going through an identity crisis.

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I was completely changing who, who I was.

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And through that, I decided,

Now is the time to go, you know,

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because that's what Uranus does.

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You're just so ready.

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Zoe: /So anyway, I booked

a one way ticket to Berlin.

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No plan.

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No plan at all.

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And my, I had friends that had done this

and I was like, wow, that's so cool.

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But I don't know if I could do it.

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I'm a control freak.

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I don't like any noise when I sleep

and all these things, you know, these

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rules I put in, but I was ready.

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So I booked the trip.

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And it was this beautiful trip of

self discovery and totally Shaking

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off that need to control, to know

to micromanage every little thing.

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I booked the trip, literally just

booked the ticket to Berlin, the

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hostel in Berlin, and that was it.

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I didn't know how long I was

gonna be gone, and I got there.

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Again, I kept this journal, and it's,

and through reading it, it's like really

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scared in the beginning, and then having

all these really beautiful Recognitions,

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like I didn't think I'd make friends.

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I'm a, I'm a very friendly person,

you know, but I had all these fears

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and I went to Berlin and I made all

these friends and then I went from

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from there to Prague and I took buses.

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I did it real cheap, no plan.

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And I was at first afraid or fearful

that it would freak me out, right?

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But no, I loved it.

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I booked like three nights in Berlin and

I was like, we'll see, but I loved it.

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So I stayed for like a week and then

I took this long, like seven hour

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bus to Prague and I loved Prague and

I met all these beautiful people.

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And then I went to

Krakow, Poland on a bus.

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I went to the concentration camps in

Krakow and I was, I'm in recovery.

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I don't drink or do drugs anymore,

but I was staying out till six in

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the morning and going all these clubs

and I was like, this is it, man.

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And through in my journal, one

of the biggest realizations that

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I had through that trip was.

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Everything is temporary, and that's okay.

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And I know that sounds

kind of like yeah, duh.

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But I am this person that my whole life

I'm clinging to everything, every person.

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Money.

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If something's good, I'm like,

it has to last forever, even

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though it doesn't, you know.

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Through this trip, I'm like getting

goosebumps, through this trip, I met all

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these amazing people and I had these great

experiences and I met them, I said goodbye

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and I'll never see those people again.

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You know, I went to this restaurant

that I liked or this beautiful place

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outside and, and I'll never see that

place again and I knew it in the moment

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and it was okay and I said bye to it.

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That was the most life changing

trip of my entire life.

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It was, I ended up being gone

for six weeks and I did Prague,

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Budapest, Milan, Slovenia.

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Ooh.

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Cause I met these guys in Prague and

they're like, we're going to Slovenia.

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So I'm like, all right, I'll go.

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And, and just all the things that I

feel I need, you know, I had maybe five

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outfits that I just kept wearing and,

I think like I have to look like this

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when I travel and I have to take these

pictures and I can't repeat an outfit.

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That's all BS.

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Yeah.

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You know, it didn't matter.

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And it made me feel really empowered

too, which again could maybe sound

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corny, but I don't care because it did.

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It was like, I've navigated

myself alone, like no help.

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Just my little phone app.

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And Flixbus and Hostelworld

and, you know, Rain Air or

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whatever, like the cheap airlines.

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And I did it, you know.

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You could drop me anywhere

and I could do anything.

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That's how I felt at the end of that trip.

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I can do anything.

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I can make friends anywhere.

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And it was extremely,

like, it was the best.

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So that was those are some

really beautiful realizations

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I've had through solo travel.

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And the first time that I

actually went to Europe, I was 25.

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So I got clean.

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When I was 21, I was young, but it

was definitely time and then, you

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know, working and kind of creating

my life here in Florida because I'm

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from New Jersey, and I had a friend

who was, I call her my travel fairy

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godmother, because she just did it

all before me, and I look up to her.

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So she was going to Greece,

and I was like, Ask me to go

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and I was like, yeah, I'll go.

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So I saved up all my money.

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We went to Greece.

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It was a tour and I was young, so we

stayed in these really gross hostels

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and but it was fun, you know, went all

around like island hopping in Greece and

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I fell in love with travel and that was

my thing, you know so I didn't leave the

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country till I was 25, but I once I did.

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I was just hooked.

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So and I, after that at 26, I went

to, I met them in Croatia, my friends

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who were traveling indefinitely.

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But before I went to Croatia, I

was like, well, let me go to Paris

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for a minute and just by myself.

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And so that was dipping

my toe in at first.

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And I was like, this is great.

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And then that big trip at 28 was

my first real solo, long term trip.

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And that was like, I, and how astrology

played the part was Uranus, breaking

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me free of those fears, those limiting

beliefs, and just giving me the

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need to be like, yeah, I'll book it.

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I'll do it now.

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Yeah.

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Kelly: Oh my God.

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There's like so much to unpack.

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I know.

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I'm sorry.

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No, I'm so, I'm stoked.

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I'm excited.

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Okay.

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I want to just touch on the

travel fairy godmother, because

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I think everyone has that.

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And I do think like any tipping point

in your life, there's someone there

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kind of encouraging you to take the

next step or almost kind of daring you

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to take the next step, challenging you.

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And it can be very easy

to say, no, no, no.

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I've.

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I'm building my life here.

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I'm busy.

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I got work.

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I got this.

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But a lot of the people that I've

spoken to over the years is just

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like, there's that one person

that they can thank directly.

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Like you've changed the course of my

life just from extending an invitation.

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So I do think it's such a cool reminder

to invite the person, like invite the

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friend who might not go even, you know,

invite the person to the party, even if

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they always say no, because you never

know how much it can change their life.

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I love that you journaled

through your trip.

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I think that's a such a powerful way of

really cementing your mindset of where

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you were at that time and even if it's

a really challenging time being able to

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write that out and have that on paper

and just be able to go back and be

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like, wow, like this is where I was at.

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And like you said, that transformation

of feeling restless and unsure of

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what your next step was and really

in like this flux chaos and then all

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the way to the end of that six weeks

feeling empowered and confident.

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It's such a.

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beautiful transformation for

you to have been able to have.

418

Yeah.

419

When you realized that Uranus was where

it was in your chart at that time,

420

were you already into astrology then?

421

And you looked at that and was

like, Oh, this makes sense.

422

Or was this years later?

423

And you were like, okay, I

want to take a look at what

424

was happening during that time.

425

Where was your astrology

journey during that period?

426

It

427

Zoe: was, Scratching the surface it wasn't

nearly as deep, it was maybe the next

428

year, where I was like, oh my god, duh, of

course, of course, it makes total sense,

429

it, that was an astrology aha moment

for me, because a lot of times for me,

430

like, I I think most people, but you feel

things the most when you, when they're

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personal, or you, I understand things the

most when I can personalize them yeah.

432

I really love talking to people about

their Saturn returns, because I've been

433

through a Saturn return, and I, and

Uranus conjunct, if I have a client who

434

has Uranus conjunct their sun, or about

to conjunct their sun, I'm like, okay,

435

let's talk, let's really dive into this.

436

So yeah, it was, it

was about a year later.

437

Kelly: Awesome.

438

Getting into kind of the nitty

gritty of astrology and travel and if

439

someone were to look up their chart.

440

So can you just explain very quickly

what the difference is between a birth

441

chart and what a current chart, like

what currently you're going through

442

just so people could know if they're

looking up online what they need to

443

Zoe: look for?

444

So a birth chart is all you have to

do is put in your birthday, your time

445

of birth, and your place of birth.

446

I use whole sign houses, it's easier.

447

But whatever, you can Whole sign houses.

448

Whole sign houses.

449

That's one sign equals one house.

450

Oh, okay.

451

Yeah.

452

Okay.

453

But you do that and it gives you what

calculates a chart for the planetary

454

positions at the moment of your birth.

455

And so that is the road map of your life.

456

Nothing can happen.

457

In our lives that isn't already

written in the birth chart.

458

So that is a picture of a person,

their psyche, their personality,

459

and their direct life experience.

460

That's the birth chart.

461

Then a transit chart is a bi wheel,

which is your birth chart in the middle,

462

and then the current transiting planets

set on top and we see how the planets

463

that are moving in the sky right now

are interacting with your birth chart.

464

They're like pinging different planets.

465

So you know we can experience life

changes, emotional changes, realizations,

466

whatever, you know, through those

transits, the relationships that the

467

moving planets have with our birth

chart, which is always stationary.

468

Kelly: Okay, cool.

469

So, with astrology and travel, a lot

of people know there's zodiac signs.

470

Like you said, a lot of

people know oh, I'm a Leo.

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Oh, I'm a Virgo.

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Yes.

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But actually, there's so much

more, there's so many layers

474

involved with that, that.

475

The sun only represents a certain part

of your being, a part of who you are,

476

and we don't have to get too much into

the nitty gritty, but if someone were

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to look at their chart, what would they

be looking for with signs of, you know,

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big adventure ahead or moving overseas

or some sort of life transit, maybe

479

not where they're currently living?

480

Are there certain signs in the

chart where like, those are movers,

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those are adventurers, those are

people who like to fly by the

482

seat of their pants type of thing?

483

Or maybe if you can explain a

little bit of the houses, what

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that means, kind of share whatever

you'd like to share about it.

485

Yeah.

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Zoe: So, let's start with signs.

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There are certain signs, Sagittarius,

Sagittarius placements, sun, moon, rising.

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Because Sagittarius, it's the sign,

it's depicted by the archer, right?

489

So the archer is like pulling back that

arrow and shooting it as far as it can go.

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Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter,

which is the planet of growth, and

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abundance, and travel, and adventure,

and experience changing your

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consciousness through new experience.

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And oftentimes that's education.

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and travel.

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So Sagittarius's do tend

to really enjoy travel.

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Generally, if they don't like

traveling physically, then travel

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of the mind and, and that expansion.

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And every sign can like to travel.

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Definitely.

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The fire signs, like the movement.

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So, you know, sometimes fire signs

are a little bit more spontaneous

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and ready to just like book that

trip or, you know, do this, the

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thing that they've never done before.

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Which ones

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Kelly: are fire

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Zoe: signs?

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Oh, I'm sorry.

508

No, it's okay.

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Sagittarius, Aries, and,

centuries, Aries, and Leo.

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Cool.

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And then in the chart, there are two

houses that are associated with travel.

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So there are 12 houses, just to preface.

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In astrology, they all represent

different areas of life, different

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little microcosms of our lives.

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And we have the third house,

which rules many things,

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including short distance travel.

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Okay.

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So that's car travel, train, train travel.

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That's more, you know, not going from like

Paris to, Milan, maybe, but it's short

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distances traveling within your community

and things like that, taking the bus.

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Then the ninth house, which opposes the

third house, it's directly opposite,

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is the house of long distance travel.

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So plane travel, international travel,

things like that, and both of those

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houses rule more than just Those

things, but for these purpose, you

525

know, for this, for the purpose of

travel, that's where I would look as

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well as so everyone has an astrology

chart with a sign ruling each house.

527

So if say for me, my ninth house is ruled

by the moon, so whenever the moon you

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know, if there's a big transit to my moon.

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There can, that could potentially

be, you know, a time where I decide

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I want to travel or a big full moon.

531

It could be like a realization.

532

I've seen for people to kind

of take the leap and pull the

533

trigger on an important travel.

534

Experience would be a transit,

which is when a moving planet

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is traversing their ninth house.

536

So say Jupiter is moving through the

ninth house, you know, it's sort of

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like, okay, I'm going to do it because

the ninth house is this house of

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expansion and doing it and going far.

539

The eclipses, eclipses are

full of new moons on steroids.

540

I like to say they're

much more powerful than a.

541

Normal full or new moon, they happen

on what are called the nodes, which

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are these points of intensification.

543

And so if you have eclipses in your

third and ninth houses, that can be,

544

I mean, oftentimes that is, those are

times when people travel more either

545

for work, for pleasure, depends on other

aspects in the chart, but that's a big

546

indicator, big transit to the ninth or

a big transit to your ninth house ruler.

547

Kelly: Okay.

548

Yeah, that's that makes sense.

549

Okay.

550

Cause I definitely

think some people think.

551

Oh, it's just the Sagittarius

who likes to travel and then, but

552

it's like you said, like there's

so many more nuances involved.

553

And I think for those who are just

starting to get into astrology, you would,

554

you might have heard about houses before.

555

And I think that's actually,

in my opinion, my, my very

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humble opinion of astrology.

557

That's where The bulk of where you

start learning so much more about

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yourself is where different planets

and signs are starting to live.

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So like you said, if you find something

in your third house or your ninth house

560

transiting, like a planet transiting

through there, an eclipse in those

561

houses and that's, that's something that

you would be looking for if you were

562

starting to look at somebody's chart.

563

Let's say you were doing a reading for

me and you were like, oh, I can see

564

that this is happening in those houses.

565

Yes.

566

I think You might have some big

international travel coming up soon

567

or say yes to that big international

568

Zoe: trip.

569

Yeah.

570

Or if you were to say, you know like

my chart, the moon rules the ninth.

571

So Jupiter or even Venus, like a

positive, benevolent, benefic planet,

572

were, you know, crossing over that

moon, I'd say, oh, maybe there'll be

573

some, you know, opportunities to travel

or say yes to that travel experience.

574

Another one would be I don't want

to get too, technical, but there

575

are these there's an ancient

technique called annual perfections.

576

If you've had a reading with me, you

know that I use these very strongly.

577

And annual perfections tell

us every year of our lives is

578

ruled by a different house.

579

So every year we turn a year older,

a different house in our chart

580

is highlighted and activated.

581

And the themes and topics related

to that house are also activated.

582

So if you are in a ninth house perfection

year that's big time for travel too.

583

Oh,

584

Kelly: that's so cool.

585

Wow.

586

I love that.

587

Yeah.

588

Awesome.

589

If you were to, obviously we're

highly recommending somebody

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take a session with you.

591

Oh, yeah.

592

Of course.

593

But if somebody was just like

listening right now and they're

594

like, I have no idea what I am.

595

I'm really interested.

596

What's something super

quick that they could do?

597

Like, is there a website that you

recommend just to look at their chart and

598

Zoe: see that?

599

My favorite would be Astro.

600

Dash not slash seek dot com

and it's a free software.

601

It's what I use.

602

And it's got really nice,

clear looking charts.

603

Super easy to use.

604

And you just put your, your birth data in

the birth chart calculator, switch it to

605

whole sign houses in the drop down menu.

606

And the beautiful thing about Astro Seek.

607

Is that, you know, it kind of will

probably look like Chinese to somebody

608

or a language that you don't understand,

because it is, if you're new.

609

So if you scroll to the bottom of

the page, it'll give you descriptors

610

of each of the your sign placements,

the aspects, it gets really detailed,

611

and you can also do a transit chart.

612

on AstroSeq.

613

That's what I use when I'm doing readings.

614

Kelly: So it gives you kind of

like the cliff notes down below for

615

somebody that's just kind of trying

to figure out what all the different

616

symbols and signs mean and everything.

617

Awesome.

618

Zoe: And if you, obviously most people

know their sun sign, but if there's

619

another planet that you want to dive

into, I always suggest the moon.

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Because the moon sign is deeply personal,

I mean, think the moon comes out at night,

621

you know, when it's a, it represents

who we are in private and not only that,

622

but our instinctual nature and what

we need to feel safe and secure and

623

how we nurture and how we, how we need

to receive nurture to feel protected.

624

And so I remember when I read about my

moon sign, I was like, this astrology

625

stuff is definitely hitting because

I always tell people if I were to

626

describe your sun sign to someone that

knew you a little, they would probably

627

be like, yeah, that sounds like Kelly.

628

But if I were to describe your moon

sign to someone else, oftentimes

629

I, because it's so personal.

630

Like your best friend would know,

your mom would know, you of course,

631

but it's sort of like who you

are when your defenses are down.

632

I always say our moon, we embody our

moon sign when we're drunk, you know,

633

because we don't have those walls

generally, but it's, it's deeply personal.

634

And so you can gain a lot of

insight and just a feeling of like

635

you know, being seen, you know,

by reading about your moon sign.

636

So that would be my suggestion.

637

And

638

Kelly: so you mentioned before you

said, I'm a Scorpio sun and Taurus

639

moon and something else rising.

640

Could you describe, we talked a

little bit about the sun being

641

your ego and your outside self.

642

And then your moon is more of that

private safe space, your inside self.

643

And then what, what, what

would rising be for somebody?

644

Zoe: So, yeah, that's the big three.

645

Yeah, big three.

646

So, I'm a Taurus Sun.

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Kelly: Oh, Taurus, that was it.

648

Taurus.

649

Zoe: That's okay.

650

Taurus sun, April 20th birthday,

right at the beginning of Taurus

651

Pisces moon and Scorpio rising.

652

So yes, and I always tell people like the

sun just like cliff notes is your bones.

653

It's who you are at your deepest level.

654

It's your identity.

655

The energy of your sun sign is

sprinkled into everything that you do.

656

It is you.

657

It's the essence of you.

658

The moon sign again, it's your internal

reality, what you need, how you express

659

your feelings, and then the ascendant,

the rising sign was the sign that was

660

literally coming over the horizon at

the moment of your birth, and in the

661

east, coming over the eastern horizon at

the moment of your birth, and so it was

662

rising, you know, and so in the birth

chart it represents it's like our skin.

663

It's how we interact with the world,

how the world interacts with us.

664

Whereas the sun is who we are

at our deepest, most core level.

665

The rising sign is kind

of how we greet the world.

666

It's our forward facing personality.

667

And we are a blend, you know, sometimes

you'll see on whatever, you'll see online.

668

There's a lot of charlatans

in the, you know, that just.

669

Don't really know much, but and

there's so many people that do, but

670

they will say like, oh, your rising

sign is like the mask you wear.

671

It, no, it's you.

672

It's just your, your personality.

673

It's what other people

see of your personality.

674

And so that would be the

difference between the three.

675

Kelly: Yeah.

676

Perfect.

677

One more thing I wanted to ask before

we kind of get into our own charts.

678

We thought it would be really fun to

look as an example for our charts so

679

we could actually talk about this and

real, you know, not just hypothetical.

680

We're actually looking at a chart

and we can explain what it means.

681

You mentioned when a client says, Oh,

I'm going through my Saturn return.

682

And you were like, I know all about Saturn

return because I've been through one.

683

Right.

684

Can you explain a little bit

about what a Saturn return is?

685

And do you often see people taking Saturn?

686

Like leaps of faith of travel during

that time or is that a completely

687

different time in someone's life?

688

Zoe: Okay.

689

So Saturn is a planet that takes 29.

690

5 years to go through every zodiac sign.

691

So it's a, it's a slower moving planet.

692

It's the last of the visible planets.

693

You can't see any planet past Saturn.

694

And so that kind of just is a

descriptor of what it is because

695

Saturn is about boundaries.

696

It's literally the boundary of the, the

visible you know, planetary universe.

697

And so in our lives, it represents the

boundaries that we come up against.

698

It represents boundaries that we create.

699

It's hard structures,

responsibility, maturity.

700

Saturn is I call him Daddy Saturn.

701

You know, it's like authoritarian.

702

It's the opposite of Jupiter in that

Saturn wants us to look at things as they

703

really are and not as we want them to be.

704

You know, there are no

rose colored glasses.

705

And so during the Saturn return.

706

It happens between 28 and 30

and it's when Saturn returns to

707

where it was when you were born.

708

And it's a two and a half year transit

because Saturn spends two and a half

709

years in a sign and then it moves on.

710

And we will have two Saturn returns

in our lifetime, three if we live till

711

our late eighties or, or, you know.

712

90.

713

And so the first Saturn return

happens again between 28 and 30.

714

And it's because Saturn is

this planet that represents

715

responsibility and facing reality.

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It's generally a period.

717

It's the threshold from

youth to adulthood.

718

It's when we have to a deal with the

consequences of our actions . If we have

719

been, you know, however many years, taking

care of business, if we have been doing

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our work and you know asserting ourselves

in our relationships and allowing people,

721

people in to know us, but, you know, in

sort of a healthy way, then we can benefit

722

from those relationships we formed.

723

We can benefit from all the hard work

that we've put in, but if not, you know,

724

then we really have to face the reality

and, and make the necessary changes.

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Zoe: /Saturn wants us to build

a strong foundation in our lives

764

of, and it's all encompassing.

765

It's money.

766

It's our, career path, our plans for the

future, our relationships, so anything,

767

any cracks in our foundations during the

Saturn return, it becomes so glaring.

768

Anything you've been sweeping

under the rug or tolerating but not

769

happy with, you gotta deal with it.

770

So some people experience the Saturn

return quite nicely and some people

771

don't, and oftentimes it's in the middle.

772

You'd be doing really good in

like, you know, a few areas and

773

then have to clean up messes in

the other ones, and that's okay.

774

I found a lot of times, like

the early adulthood milestones.

775

The textbook ones will happen or

be at least initiated, like started

776

during the Saturn return, getting

married, having kids, solidifying

777

yourself in a job beginning to save for

retirement, like those things, right?

778

And so for your question on travel,

the Saturn return is it's different

779

for everybody, but It tends to be

a time where we're kind of batting

780

down the hatches and doing the things

that we have to do and then the

781

things that we want to do come after.

782

So it depends, you know

783

Kelly: yeah, cause I, I remember my Saturn

return on, you know, I've, I've always

784

been big into travel and wanting to see

the world and I remember feeling such

785

a push pull during that time because my

husband and I were just like, Just wanting

786

to book a trip to Mexico and book this

and book that, but we got a six month

787

old, so we can't, or we're renovating

our house, so we can't, and it was just

788

such this, Identity shift for us of like,

okay, this is the next stage in our life.

789

And it's not that we can not ever

travel again because justice,

790

that won't ever happen, but it was

definitely a push pull in my mind.

791

Like where's that free spirit again.

792

And that Saturn return was really

forcing me to look at, like you said,

793

that cracks in that foundation or

not even just so cracks, just like.

794

What do I need to do to build the next

stage of my life so that I can enjoy

795

that later, like you mentioned, that

796

Zoe: is so sad.

797

Richard, it's planning for the future.

798

It's doing the responsible thing.

799

The responsible thing is maybe not

spending X amount on going to Thailand.

800

It's like, Oh, we need a crib and we

need to put money in our daughters.

801

That's it's that like deal with the stuff

you have to deal with first and then

802

let's see what's left over, you know, and

then that's very much like a great you.

803

Description of the sign of

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Kelly: return.

805

Cool.

806

All right.

807

So we are going to look at our charts.

808

We are.

809

So Zoe is pulling up my birth chart.

810

She's taking a look at what it shows in

my birth chart in terms of indicating

811

either a life of travel or adventure or

what certain times in my life might show

812

that there's more travel than others.

813

Just to kind of show you how influential

astrology can be or how it can almost

814

just indicate where in your life

you're going to have adventure or not.

815

Zoe: And it can show the

possibilities for things, you

816

know, it's the likelihood, right?

817

There's more of a likelihood.

818

Likelihood.

819

Yes.

820

And so the first thing that

I noticed with your chart, We

821

want to look at the ninth house.

822

Because the ninth house is the house

of international travel, and so you

823

have Aries ruling your ninth house.

824

There's no planet in your ninth

house but that's okay because

825

we're never going to have a planet

in every house in our charts.

826

There's more houses than there

are planets, so it's still active

827

and we can still gain a lot of

information from the ninth just by

828

looking at the sign that rules it.

829

So you have Aries, which is the initiator.

830

It's taking chances.

831

It's taking the risk.

832

It's doing the thing in the ninth house.

833

So.

834

It can be impulsive too.

835

You know, maybe when you were younger,

it's like, yeah, let's just do it.

836

I don't care.

837

Kelly: Oh, really?

838

Yeah.

839

And you have

840

Zoe: a very strong Leo.

841

So it's like, no one can tell you only

you can be the authority on if you're

842

going to, to make the decision or not.

843

And of course, this more like

impulsive act first, think

844

later when it comes to travel or

making big decisions that can it.

845

get much more tempered with time.

846

But if you think about maybe, you know,

when you started traveling another thing

847

is of course, we're going to want to

look at the planet that rules the ninth

848

house to get, to get us more information.

849

So you have of course, Mars

is the ruler of your ninth.

850

Where is it?

851

You have Mars in Gemini.

852

In trine to the moon.

853

So you've lived abroad, right?

854

Yes.

855

Okay.

856

Yeah, because having Mars as the ruler

of the ninth house, which is the house

857

of international travel, in trine, which

is a flowing and harmonious aspect to

858

the moon, which is the general signifier

of the home, you could be a person that

859

has a, and it's an air trine, which is

kind of more like flowing and fluid.

860

You could have an easier time,

just picking up and leaving,

861

you know, and saying goodbye to

friends or goodbye to a place.

862

And it's like, all right,

I'll be back, I think, but I'm

863

going to go do this thing now.

864

Because Mars is like among

other things, it represents

865

like it severs and separates.

866

So sort of saying having an

easier time, like picking up and.

867

Returning or not, but just going,

you know, when I saw that Mars

868

trying the moon, I'm like, yeah.

869

Okay.

870

Kelly: Yeah, that's that's really crazy.

871

Because yes, we have lived abroad.

872

We've lived in Australia.

873

We've lived over in Thailand.

874

It's also me and my

husband talk about a lot.

875

He's very similar and I don't know

what his chart says, but if something

876

bad happens, like recently, we had

multiple water leaks in our house

877

and had to renovate our whole house.

878

Immediately, both of us were like, well,

we're just going to move to Costa Rica.

879

Like it wasn't even a question.

880

I was like, okay, bye.

881

And so that is really crazy to

me that that's actually showing

882

in my chart that that tendency to

want to just pick up and leave is.

883

Is showing there.

884

Zoe: Oh, yeah, definitely.

885

Wow.

886

And then I actually will just pop

over to mine because just to talk

887

about the ninth house, right?

888

So here's my ninth house.

889

And so my ninth house is ruled by cancer.

890

It's a sign that represents like

things we want to nurture and protect

891

and build structures around, right?

892

So having cancer rule my ninth

house, I want to nurture and

893

protect and build structures around

my ability to travel even in the

894

beginning of this, you know, session.

895

Thank you.

896

I said, I need a job and

I've always known this.

897

I need a job that will allow

me, afford me the ability to go.

898

And I don't want somewhere

where I sit in an office and

899

I have to ask for my week off.

900

I can't do that.

901

So, and I always will make

decisions about work based on that.

902

So I want to nurture and

protect my ability to travel.

903

I also have Jupiter, which is the planet

that is connected to travel, exploration,

904

growth in cancer in the ninth house.

905

And actually Jupiter is the ruler

of my second house of money.

906

So where do I like to spend money?

907

On travel.

908

On travel.

909

Yeah.

910

And, and like classes and courses,

because that's the ninth house too.

911

And just to get a little bit deeper

to talk about annual perfections.

912

So when you are 28, you're in

what's called a fifth house year.

913

So that means that the topics of

the fifth house tend to play a

914

bigger role in your life, but annual

perfections get a lot deeper than that.

915

It also activates any planets

that are in that house, right?

916

So my 28th year was very active because

I have 1, 2, 3 planets in the 5th,

917

including the ruler of my 9th house.

918

So this wasn't the first time I

ever traveled at 28, but it was

919

the first time I traveled alone.

920

I took the risk.

921

I took the chance.

922

And that was when that moon

ruler of the 9th was activated.

923

So that's like a, Kind of an indication

of a transit or you know, a predictive

924

activation that if I would see somebody

in either a ninth house here or in

925

a fifth house, you're with the moon.

926

They're ruling at the ninth.

927

I'd say you're going.

928

You're going somewhere like you should.

929

Kelly: Wow.

930

So it's it's like watching you even

just like pointing to the different

931

houses and the different lines equaling

trines and conjunctions and squares and

932

everything It's so much of a piecing

of the puzzle of like the tapestry

933

of someone's life and just asking

questions, like you said, like, Oh,

934

are, did you, you lived abroad, right?

935

And it's like, yeah, actually I did.

936

It's not like psychic where it's

like, you are going to do this.

937

You're just asking the questions

to kind of see where their life was

938

and where it might be beneficial

or easier for them to do something.

939

Like it might be an easier

year for, let's say.

940

Me, like it might be an easier year

for me to travel because of XYZ.

941

It's not saying like I am going to

travel, it's just like this is going

942

to be a really beneficial year for

you to travel, and I really love

943

Zoe: that.

944

That's the thing about astrology.

945

It tells you the possibilities and also

where things could be a little bit more

946

tricky and you should wait, you know?

947

That's great for that too.

948

It's excellent for timing, timing,

making big decisions, initiating certain

949

projects or, you know, new things.

950

You can kind of look or consult an

astrologer and say like, when would

951

be the best time for me to do this?

952

And when should I just like, Back

up and relax and take a beat.

953

So it's, it's a really amazing self

reflective tool as well as, cause

954

it can tell you a lot about your

psyche and your, your emotional state

955

and who you are inside, but also

like external stuff too, it can be

956

really great at helping you plan.

957

Kelly: Yeah.

958

I actually, this, you're literally

just ringing a bell in my head right

959

now, but I remember when we had a

session, I think it was early March

960

this year, you did my transit chart

and you were saying now is a very.

961

Interesting time for you because people

this year will start to see you in a

962

different, not necessarily a different

industry, but just start noticing the

963

work that you've been doing and and they

might just be noticing your strengths

964

and and what you're putting out in the

world and I think I asked you like I

965

was like, Oh, I think I want to put out

a course, when would be a good time?

966

And you said.

967

Early September, it would be the

best time to push something new out.

968

And you want to know when this podcast, I

mean, this will already have been live by

969

then, but it's launching on September 5th.

970

And how crazy is that?

971

That it's not necessarily a course,

but it is, you know, it's just like

972

how nuts that like, Definitely.

973

You said that to me back in March

and not once did I ever think I'd be

974

creating a podcast this early, at least.

975

Yeah.

976

And here we are,

977

Zoe: so.

978

Well, you got the North Node

in your ninth house, which is

979

the house of How old are you?

980

I

981

Kelly: am

982

Zoe: 31.

983

Next year, the podcast will probably

do even better because you're going

984

to be in a ninth house here next year.

985

It's like publishing.

986

It doesn't have to be like you know an

article, it can be like a podcast getting

987

your voice out to the wider world.

988

But you, you began to have eclipses.

989

We had our first eclipse in Aries in

April and the North node is there now.

990

Kelly: Yeah, everyone

stay tuned for next year.

991

Yeah.

992

subscribe.

993

Rate and review , right?

994

Yes.

995

Oh, that's so interesting.

996

Awesome.

997

Alright, well that was awesome.

998

Thank you so much.

999

I appreciate that.

00:44:35,523 --> 00:44:38,360

Is there anything Else that you would

wanna share in terms of astrology

00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,255

or travel or just anything that's

like on your mind the, before we

00:44:42,255 --> 00:44:42,665

Zoe: wrap up?

00:44:42,945 --> 00:44:44,715

There was a point I wanted

to get to that I didn't.

00:44:44,775 --> 00:44:45,015

Yeah.

00:44:45,065 --> 00:44:49,225

Just to say that The beautiful thing

about travel, I'm real keyed up

00:44:49,225 --> 00:44:51,675

on travel because I'm leaving for

Europe on Monday, I'm so excited.

00:44:51,995 --> 00:44:54,345

But I was just chatting with my

friends the other day and talking

00:44:54,345 --> 00:44:58,255

about how as an adult, you often

don't do things for the first time.

00:44:58,525 --> 00:45:03,105

You know it's, things get kind of

routine and you've lived enough where

00:45:03,105 --> 00:45:06,625

it's, things aren't, don't feel super

new and, and fresh all the time.

00:45:06,635 --> 00:45:11,815

But travel is something where it

makes me feel so alive and it gives

00:45:11,815 --> 00:45:14,155

me the ability even until I'm old.

00:45:14,430 --> 00:45:19,670

To do to go to a place to eat food to

have an experience that I've never had

00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:24,670

before and I just think that is the

most one of the most amazing, exciting,

00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:29,250

exhilarating things about travel is

that it makes me feel present and alive

00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:32,750

and and Like, I'm doing things I've

never done before and it just feels so

00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:33,180

Kelly: exciting.

00:45:33,180 --> 00:45:33,300

Yeah.

00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:33,780

Yeah.

00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:37,660

And, and you mentioned when you were 80

years old or, you know, like, and looking

00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:41,870

back and, and these types of experiences

are going to stick out in your minds

00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,430

more vividly because they're novel,

because they're new and you're taking in

00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:50,990

so many different sensory, like, how, I

don't know for you, but for me at least.

00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:53,940

The days when I'm traveling seem so long.

00:45:53,940 --> 00:45:54,250

Oh my god.

00:45:54,250 --> 00:45:54,960

What do you mean?

00:45:54,980 --> 00:45:56,390

Like, what do you mean it's only 3 p.

00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:56,590

m.?

00:45:56,590 --> 00:45:58,450

I've done like 5 million things.

00:45:58,450 --> 00:45:58,550

Yeah.

00:45:58,650 --> 00:46:02,940

Even if you're just reading a book in

your villa or you're having a cup of

00:46:02,970 --> 00:46:06,130

coffee at a cafe, like, time seems to

slow down a little bit because you're

00:46:06,130 --> 00:46:08,290

taking in so many bits of information.

00:46:08,350 --> 00:46:08,630

Right.

00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,310

And that's the beauty of being

able to go somewhere new.

00:46:11,540 --> 00:46:11,910

Yeah.

00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:12,340

Yeah.

00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,560

And like, take that sense of adventure.

00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,200

Not just.

00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:17,770

Actually, this is a question I wanted

to ask was what I was about to say

00:46:17,770 --> 00:46:20,360

is taking that sense of adventure and

bringing it back home because not,

00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:23,340

not everyone can just hop on a plane

and go to Europe whenever they want.

00:46:23,770 --> 00:46:25,530

And how do we bring

this adventure at home?

00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:30,370

I, I did want to ask at the end

of your trip of six weeks, how did

00:46:30,370 --> 00:46:34,010

that affect your relationships, not

just with your boyfriend, but with

00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:36,810

family, with clients, like whatever

that looked like for you because you

00:46:36,810 --> 00:46:40,510

were such a vastly different person

from start to finish, just six weeks.

00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,540

How did that change for

you when you came back

00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:42,930

Zoe: home?

00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,485

I Felt extremely liberated and empowered.

00:46:47,485 --> 00:46:52,525

And I actually, I mean, I was Me and

my boyfriend had broken up, and I

00:46:52,525 --> 00:46:57,285

was so devastated about it and that's

actually what kind of like, propelled

00:46:57,285 --> 00:47:01,935

me, Uranus, without my knowledge,

but, but my the thought was like, you

00:47:01,935 --> 00:47:05,835

know, screw it, I'm going, I'm gonna

get over this guy, and I did, and I

00:47:05,835 --> 00:47:07,935

felt totally Like, I don't need him.

00:47:07,965 --> 00:47:08,895

You know, I don't need him.

00:47:08,905 --> 00:47:10,055

And then, of course,

that's when they come back.

00:47:10,055 --> 00:47:10,495

So we did.

00:47:10,515 --> 00:47:14,935

But I felt really like

I really was over it.

00:47:15,015 --> 00:47:16,435

You know, I was really over it.

00:47:16,715 --> 00:47:19,225

And I I switched

fellowships from AA to NA.

00:47:19,225 --> 00:47:20,315

I made a bunch of new friends.

00:47:20,575 --> 00:47:23,568

I got really deep into Buddhism

and Hinduism and all the sort

00:47:23,568 --> 00:47:25,058

of like Eastern religions.

00:47:25,058 --> 00:47:27,648

And I started really studying astrology.

00:47:27,998 --> 00:47:30,348

So it, it did kind of change my outlook.

00:47:30,398 --> 00:47:31,508

So that was 28.

00:47:31,538 --> 00:47:33,003

And then when I was 30.

00:47:33,533 --> 00:47:34,723

I was 29.

00:47:35,053 --> 00:47:36,563

I started my astrology business.

00:47:36,573 --> 00:47:38,183

00:47:38,193 --> 00:47:42,103

you know, so it was I think kind of

00:47:42,103 --> 00:47:49,233

taking that risk taking or stepping

out into a new experience, trying

00:47:49,233 --> 00:47:53,453

something different giving myself like

having the ability to, to fail, right?

00:47:53,453 --> 00:47:54,723

I could have gone to Europe and hated it.

00:47:54,783 --> 00:47:56,353

But I did it anyway, and I loved it.

00:47:56,353 --> 00:47:59,363

I could have started this

business and failed, but I did

00:47:59,363 --> 00:48:01,033

it anyway, and it's thriving.

00:48:01,143 --> 00:48:04,693

So I think making being able to kind

of like have the experience of like,

00:48:04,713 --> 00:48:09,453

Oh, I did this really, you know,

foreign new thing last year, a year

00:48:09,453 --> 00:48:10,533

and a half ago, and it went well.

00:48:10,533 --> 00:48:12,313

So let me try it this time.

00:48:12,493 --> 00:48:15,453

So I think it definitely changed

the way that I interact with people.

00:48:15,453 --> 00:48:19,223

Because like I said, I'm a person who is

very and I still struggle with this, but

00:48:19,223 --> 00:48:21,303

I'm very like, I'm holding on to things.

00:48:21,303 --> 00:48:23,843

If something's good, I'm like,

when's it gonna go bad, you know, and

00:48:24,373 --> 00:48:26,653

just really clinging to everything.

00:48:26,653 --> 00:48:31,663

And I think even though I still do

struggle with that, I can think back or

00:48:31,663 --> 00:48:35,323

read back over my notebook and be like,

yeah, things are temporary and it's cool.

00:48:35,453 --> 00:48:38,793

Something that's, you know, I had

some weird experiences in where like

00:48:38,793 --> 00:48:40,253

I booked a hostel and it wasn't, yeah.

00:48:40,428 --> 00:48:43,298

I was really excited for it, but it

didn't work out and all this stuff, but

00:48:43,298 --> 00:48:46,808

it, but it, it worked out, you know,

and it was all part of the larger plan.

00:48:46,808 --> 00:48:50,288

And so when I get really crazy

and in my head about things, like

00:48:50,288 --> 00:48:52,418

everything has to stay this way

or I'm going to lose my mind.

00:48:52,418 --> 00:48:53,248

It's like, that's not true.

00:48:53,248 --> 00:48:55,448

So, you know, that's not true

because you can pull on your

00:48:55,448 --> 00:48:56,778

past experience, you know, a

00:48:56,778 --> 00:48:57,548

Kelly: hundred percent.

00:48:57,578 --> 00:49:04,248

And another guest that we had Kelly

Fisher on episode two, I believe she talks

00:49:04,248 --> 00:49:07,328

about pocketing experiences for future.

00:49:07,688 --> 00:49:11,418

For future kelly for future zoey so

that when things do get hard or you

00:49:11,418 --> 00:49:14,708

are like i need to have certainty i

don't know i don't know where this is

00:49:14,768 --> 00:49:18,088

gonna go i don't know about xyz and

being able to go back into your back

00:49:18,088 --> 00:49:21,368

pocket pull out that experience me like

wait you remember when this worked out

00:49:21,378 --> 00:49:22,678

do you remember when this worked out.

00:49:23,198 --> 00:49:26,498

Over and over and over again so it's

such a cool way of looking at not

00:49:26,498 --> 00:49:30,338

just travel and getting to see the

world like really investing in your

00:49:30,338 --> 00:49:34,338

own personal development for the

future you to be able to pull back on

00:49:34,658 --> 00:49:39,918

Zoe: a thousand percent that experiential

learning and knowledge that you get

00:49:39,918 --> 00:49:43,748

for me it's much more affecting than

something I read in a book and I love

00:49:43,748 --> 00:49:46,698

to read and I love to read self help

books and you But to get out in the

00:49:46,708 --> 00:49:50,718

world and like, do it, you know, is

the, and that's, and it really is linked

00:49:51,088 --> 00:49:54,608

between that, just travel in general, but

that big trip and starting my business

00:49:54,608 --> 00:49:58,098

because they felt similar or it's

like, whatever, like, let's just do it.

00:49:58,098 --> 00:49:59,078

Let's see what happens.

00:49:59,078 --> 00:50:00,838

You know, I love this.

00:50:01,178 --> 00:50:02,638

Let me invest in this.

00:50:03,408 --> 00:50:04,638

And that both of them paid off.

00:50:05,008 --> 00:50:05,588

Kelly: Really did.

00:50:05,808 --> 00:50:08,968

Well, I've been so, so

happy to talk to you today.

00:50:08,968 --> 00:50:10,658

I end every episode.

00:50:10,658 --> 00:50:14,828

I'll give you a little bit of time at

the very end of shout out all your Insta

00:50:14,828 --> 00:50:16,228

and Tik TOK and websites, whatever it is.

00:50:16,548 --> 00:50:19,578

But at the very end of the episodes, I

like to do four rapid fire questions.

00:50:19,978 --> 00:50:25,318

So number one is if you could only go

back to one country, town, place in

00:50:25,318 --> 00:50:27,018

the world, where would it be and why?

00:50:27,598 --> 00:50:28,558

Zoe: Lisbon, Portugal.

00:50:29,158 --> 00:50:32,688

Because the food is great, the

people are amazing and beautiful.

00:50:32,928 --> 00:50:36,548

I love the entertainment and I

just feel good when I'm there.

00:50:36,588 --> 00:50:37,368

I feel the best when I'm there.

00:50:37,368 --> 00:50:39,238

I always have really

synchronistic experiences.

00:50:39,588 --> 00:50:39,718

Oh,

00:50:39,718 --> 00:50:40,058

Kelly: man.

00:50:40,138 --> 00:50:40,628

I'm so excited.

00:50:40,628 --> 00:50:42,788

We're going to Portugal

next year on a retreat.

00:50:42,798 --> 00:50:46,428

So we're doing Rising Nature

Retreats there in May next year.

00:50:46,478 --> 00:50:47,348

So I'm excited for that.

00:50:48,208 --> 00:50:51,818

And then number two is what's number

one on your bucket list right now?

00:50:52,298 --> 00:50:53,068

For places to go?

00:50:53,148 --> 00:50:53,978

Any, anything.

00:50:53,988 --> 00:50:56,018

Business, relationship,

travel, whatever it is.

00:50:56,158 --> 00:50:57,938

Zoe: Number one on my bucket

list, I definitely want to

00:50:57,938 --> 00:50:59,223

go to Thailand and Vietnam.

00:50:59,683 --> 00:51:05,353

For sure, I want to get published in a

major magazine and be flown out to L.

00:51:05,353 --> 00:51:05,433

A.

00:51:05,443 --> 00:51:06,153

to do an event.

00:51:06,423 --> 00:51:06,913

Kelly: All right.

00:51:06,923 --> 00:51:07,763

Yeah, I'm manifesting that baby.

00:51:07,773 --> 00:51:08,113

Let's do it.

00:51:08,473 --> 00:51:08,843

I love

00:51:08,843 --> 00:51:09,113

Zoe: it.

00:51:09,393 --> 00:51:10,033

And write a book.

00:51:10,363 --> 00:51:10,653

Kelly: Awesome.

00:51:10,653 --> 00:51:11,203

An astrology book.

00:51:11,223 --> 00:51:12,043

I will read that book.

00:51:12,353 --> 00:51:12,413

Thank you.

00:51:13,583 --> 00:51:17,663

And then number three is, what has

been one of the biggest life lessons

00:51:17,673 --> 00:51:18,953

that you've had while traveling?

00:51:20,783 --> 00:51:23,393

Zoe: What has been one of the biggest life

lessons that I've had while traveling?

00:51:24,163 --> 00:51:25,373

I guess the oh.

00:51:25,903 --> 00:51:26,343

Life lesson.

00:51:26,433 --> 00:51:27,503

Money isn't that important.

00:51:27,813 --> 00:51:29,353

You can travel with not a lot of money.

00:51:29,463 --> 00:51:30,923

I don't need to have that much money.

00:51:31,523 --> 00:51:34,773

I can have a beautiful experience

not spending that much.

00:51:35,313 --> 00:51:36,873

And everything is

temporary, but it's okay.

00:51:36,913 --> 00:51:37,713

Yeah, I

00:51:37,713 --> 00:51:38,163

Kelly: love that.

00:51:38,783 --> 00:51:42,523

And I think that's really important for

people to remember is is yes, you need

00:51:42,523 --> 00:51:46,308

to have Some money to get from point

A to point B, but I think there's so

00:51:46,308 --> 00:51:48,068

many ways to get creative about it.

00:51:48,098 --> 00:51:52,578

And there's so many ways to

just, you know, do it and

00:51:52,578 --> 00:51:54,368

figure it out as you go and,

00:51:54,408 --> 00:51:55,278

Zoe: yeah, get creative.

00:51:55,438 --> 00:51:56,578

You don't have to stay at the resort.

00:51:56,758 --> 00:52:01,078

You don't have to go to all the, you

know, get food on from a sidecar on

00:52:01,078 --> 00:52:02,558

the street tends to be really good.

00:52:02,828 --> 00:52:05,338

Live where the locals live or

stay where the locals stay.

00:52:05,818 --> 00:52:06,808

Do walking tours.

00:52:07,538 --> 00:52:08,948

You can do so much with so little.

00:52:09,223 --> 00:52:09,443

Kelly: Yeah.

00:52:09,583 --> 00:52:10,053

Amazing.

00:52:10,153 --> 00:52:12,853

And then the last one is, what

is one piece of advice that you'd

00:52:12,853 --> 00:52:14,523

give to an aspiring explorer?

00:52:16,713 --> 00:52:18,873

Zoe: Oh, it sounds corny,

but just like book the trip.

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Yeah.

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That's what Lauren, Lauren

Walsh, my travel fairy

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godmother, I love you so much.