Have you been feeling unusually exhausted, sleeping more than usual, or waking up tired no matter how much rest you get? If you're on a spiritual path, you may be experiencing more than ordinary fatigue.

In this special fifth-anniversary episode of Spirit Sherpa, Kelle Sparta and Jules celebrate five years of helping listeners navigate spiritual growth while exploring one of the biggest questions many practitioners are asking right now: Why am I so tired?

Kelle explains what energetic downloads are, why so many spiritually aware people are experiencing deep fatigue, vivid dreams, identity shifts, and emotional upheaval, and how these periods of energetic upgrading can become opportunities for profound transformation instead of overwhelm. She also shares practical guidance for working with your ego during periods of rapid growth, supporting your nervous system, and allowing yourself to evolve without resisting the process.

Whether you're a spiritual practitioner, coach, healer, or simply someone noticing that life feels different lately, this conversation offers practical insight into navigating change with greater awareness, discernment, and self-compassion.

What You'll Learn

• Why so many people are feeling exhausted right now
• What energetic downloads actually are
• How identity upgrades trigger resistance from the ego
• Why vivid dreams often accompany spiritual growth
• How to support yourself during periods of energetic change
• Why spiritual growth isn't about reaching a destination
• The difference between transformation and striving
• How to navigate major life shifts with greater ease

References Mentioned

• Summer Solstice
• Gemini New Moon
• Jupiter
• Naked and Afraid
• The Craft
• Cascara tea
• Yoda / "Just keep swimming"

Resources Mentioned

Website

https://kellesparta.com

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Hello, and welcome to Spirit Sherpa, the show that helps and encourages you on your journey to unlock your magic mojo. I'm Jules, your co-host. Our topics have evolved to correspond to different levels of individual spiritual practitioner growth.

So beginners, you just need to start with episode one, intermediates episode 98, and episode 200 starts advanced topics. With me as always to share her insights and wisdom is the spirit doctor, Kelle Sparta. Hey, Kelle. How are you doing? Hey, Jules. I'm doing good. How are you? I'm good. The summer, garden one for the summer is going bye-bye, so we're finishing up canning and all, and then we're gonna plow everything up and s- start for late crop.

See, this is the advantage of not having to garden down here, is that we just go in our backyard and pick some fruit or we go down to the fruits- fruit stand at the corner and we get some coconut water straight from the coconut, which I love. Ooh, fun. Yeah. We just bring a pitcher. Four coconuts- ... fill the pitcher.

That's funny. So, yeah. Um- And this, it's the rainy season down there, right? It is the rainy season. We've got a thunderstorm rolling in right now, um, which is pretty much a daily occurrence. Uh, not, not quite yet, but soon. Uh, it's, it's like three days out of five now, so, uh, but it's, it's coming. And, um, but it also means it's the lush green season, too.

So everything ha- has been dried out because of the dry season, and so it's all coming back to life. The banana tree in the backyard is growing so fast. I'm like- Sweet ... oh my God, I've never seen anything grow so fast in my entire life. But yeah, so that's, that's what's going on. We've got a coffee bush in the backyard, so we've got a ton of coffee beans on the bush.

It's amazing. Yeah. Talk about fresh roasted. I'm telling you. And cascara tea, which is made from the husks of the coffee bean. Did not know that. I didn't know that until I moved here either. Okay. Cascara actually means s- the skin of something, the husk of something. Okay. And so that's why they call it cascara tea.

It's not specifically coffee husks. It's any husk, so. Ah, okay. There you go. Husk or shell. Yeah Well, very good Rock and roll Rock and roll. Well- You learned something new. Do you feel edified? I'm, I, I'm, I'm feeling very edified. That's- It actually made me think of the, um, the Naked and Afraid show, that episode that we watched, the last night I think.

Yeah. And it, they were in s- some jungle somewhere in the, you know, deepest, darkest of the jungles, and they have this tree out there, and the native people call it the tree of life. Which I was like, "Really? What does this do?" Well, it, um, it puts out all of these nuts, and that's, like, one of the main staples.

Well, then you have the little bugs that come in, and there's a little grub that gets ins- that burrows in and gets inside of the nut. So now whenever the, uh, Naked and Afraid people were looking for protein, they cracked open the nut, bonus, they have the nut and they have the grub. And so they were being trained, "This really will be your tree of life in this situation."

So- Wow. Well, see then- There you go. So see- Yeah ... even, even more- We- ... you know, trivias. We will s- so be ready for Trivial, Trivial Pursuit. There, there are so many reasons I don't do reality TV. Oh, but it's fun Oh, no, no, no. I mean, like, as a contestant. So Ah, ah ... like, there's no way. So yeah. So anyway, um, uh, guess what today is?

I know what today is. It's our- Today is our five-year anniversary ... five-year anniversary. That's right. It's five years to the day from the day that I published the first episode of Spirit Sherpa. And so- Oh my goodness ... this is my moment to, to say to all the listeners thank you. Thank you for being there.

Thank you for listening. Uh, you know, I wouldn't have gotten this far if you guys hadn't found what I was putting out useful and listened, so you know, and, and rated and shared with your friends and, you know, all the things. So thank you for bringing this podcast this far. Um, you know, I- it's ... It, it is one of the highlights of my week to do these podcasts.

In fact, you know, my husband and I talked about it and he was like, "Well, if you, if you had, you know, millions of dollars in the bank and you didn't have to do anything anymore, would you still do your podcast?" And I'm like, "Yeah, I think I would." Mm-hmm. Because I just love it. So thank you for giving me a reason to do the thing I love.

And, um, you know, we have ... We've gone the gamut since we started. And, uh, you know, we're, we're gonna talk about some more stuff later on. We're not just gonna do a retrospective here, so don't check out yet. Um, we are gonna talk about the, the energetic downloads and why you're so tired, so you know, stay tuned.

Yes. But the, uh ... You know, when we started this it was designed to be for beginners, right? Mm-hmm. It was your ... It, it was originally called The Beginner's Guide to Energy Magic in the Spirit World, and in fact, if you listen to the early episodes, that's what we say. And that only changed because my friends came up to me months after I started podcasting and saying, "Oh my God, I love your podcast," and I'm like, "You guys have been doing this for 10, 15, y- 20 years.

Why do you, why are you listening to a bigger- beginner's podcast?" And they're like, "Well, you're stitching together every two-hour class we've ever taken in our lives. I love it." I'm like, "Oh, okay. Awesome." There you go. So you know, then it became Your Guide to Energy Magic in the Spirit World, and we started off with Joey C.,

who was- Mm-hmm ... uh, he was so awesome. Phenomenal. Phenomenal. We still miss you, Joey. And- That's right. ... uh, yeah, it's, um, it ... You know, he was really the impetus for getting this started. Uh, he showed up in my living room with his girlfriend, Andrea, and uh, and we were talking and he's like, "Oh yeah, I'd like to ho- I'd like to host podcasts and, and, you know, help people be successful in their podcasts."

And I'm like Really? Really? Because we should talk, my dear. Yeah. Yeah. Right? And thus began the beautiful friendship of three and a half years of podcasting together. And, um, so that was, that was awesome. And then, uh, we went through the period where I was doing it on my own and interviewing people, and so there was, like, the parade of potentials.

And then Jules was the obvious choice because- ... you know, we vibe. We vibe. Yes. Yeah. You should hear us when we're not, like, together on the podcast. Really, you shouldn't. It's not good. We just keep going. It's good. It's awesome, but it's not null. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's like that. Yeah. Yeah. This, this has been fun for me 'cause, I mean, I started out as your student, you know, and- Right

and still am, you know? Still are, yep. And I'm not going anywhere, so- Yeah. ... you know, like a bad rash. But you know. And so i- it's, it's cool for me to do this 'cause, you know, I still, y- whether it's me and you, you know, chit-chatting back and forth about a topic or you have someone on, you know, I still have questions, so I'm like, "Okay, well, somebody out there has to have that same question."

So- Right ... so I'm, I'm gonna blindside you- Uh-oh ... completely. Yeah, I am. So- Okay. So five years ago, um, the first episode was published, right? Mm-hmm. Um, Orientation to Spirit. Yeah. And was it by design that you published it on summer solstice? Yes, it was. And why was, why, why was, was that very important or to, to, to do that?

You know what I'm realizing too is that I published it on summer solstice that year, and it was also a Thursday. Oh, I don't, I, I don't know that part ... to this day the day that we're recording this. Oh, wow. No, I do, I remember because we, we established that our, our, our, uh, publish would be on Sundays, but we put the first one out on Thursday, um, because it was summer, summer solstice.

Oh, wow. And the idea was that, you know, summer solstice is the coming to fruition of, you know, coming back of the light and the, the, the fullness of the sun and bringing everything- Everything coming to life ... to, to vision, right? Yeah. Longest day of the year, right? Yes, yes. And that was the idea was that it was to help fuel the, uh, the podcast getting seen because it was the longest day of the year, right?

So it was, you know, sympathetic magicking off of that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's cool. That's cool. Yeah. I, I, I knew it was by design. I didn't quite, you know, know where you were coming from on that, but I was like, you know, y- you know, at least ... Because it's like five years later, I recognize, I'm like, "She did that on purpose on summer solstice.

I know that." She was manifesting it, that it was like breathing life into it, you know? Kinda like- Yes ... you know, like a, a new business. It's, it's a new baby being birthed, you know? Exactly, yeah. So, so- Now, now summer solstice isn't always the, the, the, the, eh, it can be the birthing. You know, the, the planting of the seed is usually Beltane and the, the harvesting is usually, um, L- Lunasga, Lu- N- N- Lunasa, Lunasa.

Lunasa, okay. I can't pronounce it the way it's written. I was like, "Wait, no. That's not right. Lunasa." That's Or, or, you know, the, yeah. Ugh, my brain is not working today. Anyway, um, but, you know, midsummer is really when the first harvest is, you know, just starting to come up. And then first harvest is actually August 1, and then the second harvest is, is the fall equinox.

Ah. So yeah. So it's not really a harvesting time, but it is the longest day of the year, and it is the, the full promise of the sun being fulfilled, right? There you go. There you go. So yeah. So see, everything has purpose. And- Everything does ... yeah. And even Joey going into your living room, you know, that was the universe putting y'all two together, 'cause you had no clue he did that.

He had no clue- Yep ... you were gonna be wanting a podcast, and the universe said, "Hold my martini. W- watch this." And it just- Yes. Yes Because I was actually thinking it would be really nice to have a podcast, but that I didn't have the energy to make sure that I did it by myself every week, right? That's, that's the...

Most podcasts don't make it fa- past their first five to 10 episodes. The vast majority of podcasts don't last more than 10 episodes. Oh, I didn't know that. And so, yeah. Well, yeah, it's because it's hard. It's hard- Mm-hmm ... to designate a time every single week and to, to do it without fail and to make sure you have topics or guests or, you know, whatever, and then do all the editing and all the other hoopla that goes along with that, which God bless Joey, he did that for the first, like, two years, um, until I hired it out.

But, um, yeah, I mean, it's a, it's a lot of work. Putting out a podcast is a huge amount of effort. It's, it's- Mm-hmm ... less effort today than it was when we started five years ago, because there are a lot of tools available now that weren't available back then that make it easier for editing and whatnot, and marketing and everything, which I do a mediocre job of too.

I don't understand. What do you mean you have a learning platform? What's a learning platform?" Yeah. So it's like- That's when we need to get the trademarks in place, and they go, "What is... What's a website?" Yeah. Can you imagine? Oh, my God. Yeah, I don't think you could have trademarked that, but yeah. Mm. Anyway.

Oh, my gosh. So let's, let's get back to the topics that we normally talk about, which is- All right ... let's talk about the downloads. And this is the other reason. So I wanted to put a- out a podcast today specifically, and not just a random podcast, you know. I wanted to put out a, a five-year anniversary one, um, because it's the five-year anniversary, um, and because I was having a conversation with some of my clients, uh, the, earlier this week, and I realized that we really need to talk about this.

Uh, except that the moon was also squared against Jupiter, which meant that all your inner self-doubt and bullshit was coming to the surface and going, "I can't do this. I can't do... I can't, I can't, I can't." Right? And, and you know, so if you can't get past your uh, uh, uh, uh, then you can't get into the, the massive manifestation.

And so, you know, I did, uh, I personally did a manifestation ritual with a couple of m- my friends and my husband, uh, on the 18th. And we sat down and we pulled in the energy, and we jointly created a vision of what each couple wanted and, and, uh, and you know, jointly manifested that together and created that energy and, and then pulled out all the blocks to those things and all of the stuff, right?

And immediately I started having the dreams that I have when this happens, which is Which are? Uh, I, I- Are they more failing dreams? ... end up having dreams of being chased. Oh, you've been chased. And of having dreams of being chased or pursued or, you know, like I'm in trouble or something's going on. Ah.

Start having these anxiety based dreams. And I had them for the first two days afterwards, and then yesterday I'm like, "Wait a minute." Like my, I, s- I was, my anxiety was way through the roof for two days and I'm like, "What is going on?" I was just beyond, like, my ability to cope in some cases. And I was like, "What?

Why am I..." We, we kept, we had no internet for the Sunday, Monday, Tuesday here. Oh, God. And so I was constantly having to re-log on to my Wi-Fi hotspot, which sometimes didn't work, and so my, my frustration levels were very high. And um, I'm like, "This is not me. What is going on here?" And I realized it was my ego kicking in and going- You

just asked for something that's gonna kill me. All right. Like I'm stepping into a new identity, and so my identity, my ego identity's going, "No!" Right? It's freaking out. And, and I'm- I am perfectly content where I am. Leave me alone. Right. Says the ego. And I'm like, "Yeah, and I'm doing it anyway," right? Like, so I'm like, "Have you met me?

Really? Seriously- ... have you met me? When, where do you think I'm gonna change my mind? I, girlfriend here does not change her mind on this sort of shit." Right. "So get on board," right? So he and I, I, I call it a he, 'cause it- ... in my, in my world it's a he. Okay. Um, so he and I came to an understanding, uh, ye- yesterday at the end of the day when I went and went, "Oh, yeah, duh, this is what this is."

And so what I did was I took that energy and I redirected it and I said, "Look, I understand you're trying to keep me safe and that you're trying to keep, keep everything okay. You need to understand that I am divinely guided, that the universe takes care of me no matter what. Here's all my evidence," and I laid out all the evidence.

Mm-hmm. "And I'm, and so I am going here. You need to get on board or get out of the way. So you are currently trying to keep me safe. I am already safe. We need to start with that assu- assumption. I am already safe. So why don't we direct you towards making this the easiest and most graceful way to this path?

Easiest, fastest, most graceful way to the path. Let's just, you can work on that." And my anxiety level dropped and my calmness returned, and I was just like, "Oh, okay, here we go. We're back." Right? Because I gave it a job, right? Okay. Okay? So that's, that can be something that happens when you do manifestation at that level, when you, you're rewriting your whole life, right?

And when you're asking for a big u- uptick from where you are to where you want to be, you have to know that that's gonna require an identity uptick too. So be careful what you ask for, okay? Okay. Yeah. So that was not the downloads I wanted to talk about, but it was important. So- Apparently we needed to hear it.

Apparently you needed to hear it. So here's the deal. So there are these downloads that are happening right now. I mean, we're in a massive shift time. Somebody just sent me something on my, uh, on my WhatsApp group that was, um, they were talking about the, uh- I can't remember which tribe, but there was a tribe that was putting out information about how we are going through, at this point, a big transition time, and that everything is shifting, and that we're calling in a new way of being on the planet, and, and bringing things into more, more resolution, and no conflict, and things like that.

Harmony. Harmony was the word. And so they're like, "Oh, it's really important that we do things differently, that we up level and we, we get to this point." Well, you know, I don't know if that's what the downloads are about. Um, but I will tell you there's been a freak ton of them, okay? For like the last six weeks or so, there has been a massive amount of downloads that have been coming through, and every energy aware person I know is going through periods of complete exhaustion followed by, you know, respites of maybe two to three days, followed by complete exhaustion.

Mm-hmm. And that is because the downloads are coming fast and furious, and they give us two or three days to inte- to integrate them, and then they go, "Here's the next batch," right? And it's like we're getting system updates in our sleep. Okay. And so that's why your sleep has been interrupted. Okay. That is why your sleep has been not restful, because you're not actually sleeping, you're downloading.

That's why your sleep has been longer than usual and you are waking up still tired. So like if you usually sleep seven hours- I'm fucking exhausted ... you're sleeping nine and still tired, right? Yeah, that's why. So if you get to the point where you are too tired on a daily basis, you need to just say, "I need a day off," or, "I need three days off."

Oh, I did. "You've gotta give me a break." Uh, you know, Uncle, right? I give. Yeah, I give. Give me a break. So you do have the right to say that, so make use of it, right? Um, and recognize that, uh, some of the downloads that are happening are causing people to have really profound, uh, ideology shifts, uh, in, you know, intention shifts.

Like I'm watching spiritual practitioners all over the world say, "I have completely rewritten my business and I'm starting over. I am doing something completely different. I have started something completely new. I may have been doing this for 15 years, but I'm starting something completely new." And I'm watching this roll out in the, in the last like six months.

Um, and people are- So the in- the, the inspiration is coming from the downloads? I- Or they're... Or, or, or don't know? I think it's... So, so there's a shift that's happening right now. Hold on.

Just gonna channel this answer instead of trying to think of the answer. So there's, there's a shift that's happening right now on the planet that started, you know, I mean, it started in the, the pandemic and, and actually started before that. But, um, it's ramping up now. It's been ramping up since about January.

And the, the ramping up is, uh, it's an energetic shift. Oh, I just lost power. I'm gonna lose you. All right. So we're coming back in 'cause I lost power. So, um, so it, it really started ramping up in January, and then, um, i- what I've been seeing in the spiritual practitioners, the people who are, you know, teachers, is that there's this mass shift in the, in the way that they're working, and that's what my company's been going through as well.

That's what I've been going through as well. We went through the rebrand. We were expanding to do business with business owners and with spiritual practitioners and so, you know, it's a complete redirection of, of the company. And, um, you know, I tried to avoid it, and the universe was like, "No, fuck you. This is what we're doing."

I'm like, "But I don't wanna. I don't wanna. I've, I've just done it. I don't want to have to do anything else, right?" And it's just, they're just like, "I don't care." So, um, yeah, so that's, that's been the way it is. So the, uh ... But, you know, this, this has been coming for a while, and the, the downloads are- I, so the downloads are happening for everyone, but they are like booster packs onto the, the change in the energetics, right?

So like the change in the energetics happened around December, January. Um, and then the shift came in, eh, it might have started a little earlier. Yeah, I think September. Yeah. So and then the shift started happening for the people who were on, on the, the energetics, right? The energetics came up. We're like, "Yeah, okay, I feel the shift.

We gotta adjust accordingly, whatever." So and then, um, the downloads are now happening. I mean, I'm getting them too, so, and I've, I was already on the energy of them, so they're just, they're, they're amplification packs for it. It's, it's kind of like booster packs, right? So they're for the people who weren't paying attention and didn't know, the downloads are coming to go, "Yo, wake up.

Shake, shake, shake, shake." Oh, no. Right? For those of us who did know- So a lot more people are waking up. Yes. For those of us who did know, it's the booster pack. Ready to go? Are you ready? 'Cause here we go. You know, it's that, that sort of thing. So, um, so that is why you're so tired. That is why you are sleeping more and less, less awake.

Um, and that is what's going on. So, uh, I just wanted to make sure everybody knew because I- it's just super important that people know that that's the case. So, um, so as you're going through your, your day, just keep that in mind and know that you can ask for time off. So did you have any questions about that, Jewel?

I- You look like you might have something to say. I, I, I do. Okay. I do. You know I do. You do. So, um, so with me, um, for, shoot, last two months easy, um, when I go to bed at night, right, my, I'll say my nighttime dreaming, I don't remember. Mm-hmm. Even though I'll p- put the intention, "I wanna remember," I don't remember.

Then I wake up, you know, usually, and this is normal for me, wake up anywhere between 1:00 and 3:00 o'clock in the morning. Mm-hmm. Shocker, Veil is a thinist. So get up then go back to bed. From that point on, I, it's like I know I'm dreaming, and, you know, I'm, I remember almost everything, and those are the freaky dreams.

Yes. Like I know there's meaning behind it, but, like, you know, I'll be back in high school, but we're all adults. Mm-hmm. And each of my high school peers, they kinda, like, represent something, and they'll test me, and do I react like I did in high school where I was scared of it? Or do, I'm like, "Hold on. I- no, no, no, no, we're, we're not doing this bullshit anymore."

This is how... No, I, I'm not taking this shit. Yeah. Do, do I need, do I need to just punch you in the g- you know, throat? So, a- and it, and it's weird- That's the spiritual response. Do I need to just punch you in the throat That's it. Just punch you in the throat. No. You're not gonna intimidate me. I am the biggest bad in the realm.

Way to go You know? I'm not, I'm not the little nerd who feels out of place, who's trying to get friends and all that. Bitch, I can stand on my own. Yeah. You know? So it's, it's like I'm working out all of this stuff, or there's, like, these little, my little, I'll say, celestial beings. Mm-hmm. I don't know who they are or what they are, and then we're just having a conversation, and, you know, and that kinda thing.

So those are what I call my freaky dreams, but those happen in the morning. That's actually pretty common. So my question is- Yeah ... okay, is during the downloads, does that cause us to have more freaky dreams or not remember, remember, or it could vary? It depends on the content of the downloads. Um, I have been having some pretty technicolor, color dreams recently.

Um, you know, things that are like- You know, w- what is this? You know, I don't, I don't always remember my dreams, but I have definitely been remembering my dreams recently. Now, part of that is gonna be because the downloads are happening, um, and my sleep is getting disturbed, and so I'm coming up to a waking level enough that I'm remembering what I was thinking about at the time, what I was dreaming about.

So, you know- Yeah, yeah ... it's when we come into consciousness and we can stay in that beta, you know, state or alpha state. Yes. Um, uh, and, you know, part of it's gonna be that. But part of it could, in fact, be the nature of the downloads triggering things, because, you know- Okay ... they're, they're going out to a lot of people all at once, and so there's a chance of, like, connecting into other people in your dreams and things like that at that time and things along those natures, you know?

It's like- Yeah ... it, it, the, it's like electron backwash, right?

I've never heard that before. Electron- Backwash ... backwash. That, that does not sound pleasant. No, but, you know, I mean, it's like if everything's going downstream, occasionally s- you know, you can hiccup and go upstream and, and catch somebody else hiccupping at the same time. And whatever, you could- Yeah ... make a connection that way, but, um- Yeah

'cause you're, you're all connected at the point of download, right? So it's, it's that. Yeah. But, um, the- Yeah. There's big shifts coming. If- That's what I'm saying. Yeah. If, and for me, it's, it's been around being able to connect with either my ancestors or actually my, my little dog, Cinnamon, she came through the other- And she, my dogs will come visit me in my dreams.

That's, that's not un- unusual. The unusual part that literally happened a couple days ago was she licked my nose, right? And I instantly sat up because I actually felt her lick my nose as though she were right there on my bed. Yes. And I'm like, "Okay, that's a new one. That's..." I mean, I sat straight up in bed.

Yeah. I've had that experience. And I'm like, "Okay." Yeah. You know? But, uh, most of mine, it, they're always geared toward me. You know me, I wanna, you know, the fireballs, and you know, the lighting the candle, which is a, whoo- Yeah ... you know? Practical magic. And so it's all about- Yeah ... practical magic powers, you know?

More than beings. Um- Yeah. Yes. Yes. Um, and then I watched, uh, what was the other one? Uh, the one with all the girls. Uh- The Craft? Oh my God. The Craft, thank you. Yeah. It came on TV the other night, so of course I wa- had to watch that. Of course, yeah. The, the- Yeah ... I hate when The Craft comes on because all the teenagers out there-

start being, like, badass witches, and I'm- Start being, yeah ... miss, and the, the attitude goes out, and it's just like, oh my God, really? Okay. Yeah. But so, but and then I guess it's just, you know, me also just owning, going, "I can do this. There are no barriers." Yes. It, like, it's, I'm not, it's not the, "Ooh, little old me."

Right. You know, bitches, I'm here. I'm out the damn broom closet. You know? Bibbidi bobbidi boo. Bibbidi bobbidi boo. You know? Boo. Yeah. Boo, bitch. Yeah.

So, but that's cool though. So that's ... I always wondered if, you know, how people, uh, experience those downloads, you know? Yeah. Well, and you know, the, the, this particular batch of downloads is all about upgrading. It's all about up-leveling. It's, it's about, you know, stepping into a higher level of your own self, you know?

Um, and that requires digging. So we've talked about the, the spirit is an artisanal well, right? It's a spring. And, you know- Mm-hmm ... we, we throw garbage in it over the course of our lives, and other people throw garbage in it, and eventually it, it, it stops flowing, and then all we see is water in it is rainwater, and we think that's all who we are.

And, uh, you know, is just that little bit of rainwater that we happen to have on whatever given day if it's rained enough, right? And so, you- Yeah ... feel empty a lot, but that's because there's garbage in the well. And so every time you're being asked to step into a higher level of being, you've gotta dig the garbage out of the well, right?

Because you can't step into a higher level of being without having more access to yourself, which is that spring underneath all the garbage, right? So this is just fair warning that, you know, there will be some garbage mining in your future because of these downloads. Okay? You, you will do it, whether you do it on your own or you do it in a program or you do it with a friend or whatever.

You will do it. I'm just warning you, it's coming. We'll do it. So, you know, the, the only way to avoid is to completely resist and reject, and that has its own consequences too, so I don't recommend them. Um, and so, you know ... 'Cause then, then you'll be in, in, in remedial and have to repeat this lifetime over again.

Eh, maybe. So you still have to do it anyway. I don't know. I, you know, this is one of those things. I keep talking to people and they're like, "Oh, well, I'm here to learn something, and I have to do this process to finish this life, to move on to the next planet." And you know what? The longer I'm in this, the less I believe that.

I, I didn't ever fully ascribe- Okay ... to it to begin with. Um- Okay ... and the reason is that if you think about it, we are God. Well, I'm gonna use the term God just because it's convenient. But we are the all-knowing- Mm-hmm ... all-seeing, omnipotent, knowingness, collectiveness of being, right? And- Yes ... if you think about what is it that God could need to come into 3D form for and forget who they are, right?

Why would they need to forget who they are and come into 3D form? It's not about having to evolve yourself, although you do learn that as part of the process. You know, God being all, all-knowing and all-having, you know. There's no emotional maturity when everything is instantly provided, right? But, you know, everybody who's ever had a spoiled child in their presence knows this, right?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Wah, wah. Yeah, I need- I want one, I want one now ... eh, eh, eh. Yeah. So there's no emotional maturity there, but does God have emotion? I don't know. Do you know? I don't know. It's, it's a uniquely human thing, right? Our emotions come from our bodies. They come from our amygdalas, from our brain, you know?

Is that really something God might actually have? Maybe feelings is one of the reasons God comes to the planet is to experience feelings, right? That could be the case. Um, and so, you know, yeah, we might be learning emotional maturity, but we might just be learning emotions. Might just be experiencing emotions.

Might be. Might just be experiencing- Mm-hmm ... what physical reality is like because, you know, hey, why not? Right? And- Yeah ... there's also a piece in here which could be the reason why, which is God is learning how to separate desire from outcome so that there's a point ... The thing about the physical reality is that it provides distance between intention and manifestation.

That's the thing about m- physical reality that does not exist in the spiritual realm. And so you have the opportunity to examine your intention before it comes to fruition and decide whether or not that's a good idea. Or maybe I could make it different- Mm ... or tweak it this way or tweak it that way. And that could be a reason that God might wanna come onto the planet.

Or it could just be a big old VR game that we all just come on to play for entertainment. It's kinda like watching movies, only for spirits. Mm-hmm. Right? Like, you lose yourself in the movie. You're in that place for a while, and you forget that you're- Right ... outside of that space if you're deep enough in the movie.

You know, same idea, but for spirit, right? So, you know, I would not ascribe the fact, you know, the, the quote unquote fact that everybody throws around of, "Oh, this is a lesson learning place." Eh, it feels very limited for spirit. Well, yeah. Spirit isn't limited- Mm ... in those ways. Why would spirit need to learn anything, you know?

I don't, I don't know that it does. Yeah. I mean, as, even as I was saying it- More about the experience ... because I came up with this theory, like, 20 years ago that, you know, it was the distance between, you know, thought and manifestation. But, you know, I'm s- as I was saying it, I was like, "Well, if God doesn't like what it manifested then it could just change it immediately," right?

And, and tweak and tweak and tweak- Mm ... and tweak and tweak until it's exactly what it wants, right? So that, th- that argument that I came up with 20 years ago that I was so proud of is, is, just doesn't work. So I was like, you know, then 20 years later I'm going, "Nope, that one doesn't fly." So- You're like, "Nah, that doesn't- I'm saying it-

not so much ... I'm like, "No, that doesn't fly." Like, it is the first time I've, I really talked about it out loud. Experience. It's just an experience, right? And so, you know- Experience it ... if, if it's just, if life is just an experience, a series of experiences, and it's, we don't have to learn anything, we don't have to do anything, we just get to be ourselves.

And so, you know- Mm-hmm ... what does it mean to just be yourself, right? That's the question we have to ask ourselves. That's the question. Right. Who am I when I dig all the garbage out of my, uh, my, my spring, right? Mm-hmm. And, uh, you know, who, who, who does that become? And we get all scared about it, which is kind of silly if you think about it.

Because, you know, we're scared to be ourselves. What? You know? I mean, it, but yeah, sc- We're scared to, we're sc- 'cause as you remove the garbage, what I'm, what I'm picturing in my head is like, you know, we're, we're beings of light, and that light gets brighter the more that the garbage is not on top. Yes. So, oh my God, how bright am I going to be?

Ah! Right. You know? And it's like, you're gonna be as bright as you are, and you are that. Mm-hmm. You're already that. You're just not admitting you're that. So- Right ... you know, it's not new. You know? You're already this person, you're just becoming conscious of that. So, you know, and I, it, I'm not saying that, I'm not poo-pooing and saying, "Oh, you're ridiculous for being scared," I'm saying that we're all ridiculous for being scared, right?

Like, 'cause I had that e- I mean, I just, just told that story of I was going, "Ah!" Yeah. "Who am I gonna become? Ah!" Right? I just had that experience, right? And I'm like, "Okay." Yeah. "Just stop." Right? Because, 'cause that's the default script, right? That's the thing that's trying to keep us safe- Yeah ... by keeping us in the known territory, and that's the part that, that holds us back.

at this point it's about optimizing the well output and less about not- Mm-hmm ... not having garbage. I pretty much have pulled the garbage out at this point, but the- Right ... the piece that I'm doing right now is like, it's, it's like inner fracking without the bad stuff, right? So it's just like opening up the, the water flow more, right?

Without, you know, there's- Mm-hmm ... the physical impacts don't matter on the spiritual. So, um, but you know, it's, it's that sort of thing, but it still triggers the same response. It's just I've gotta remember to turn it off- Mm-hmm ... and be like, "Right. No, we're not doing that." Right? So- Yeah, we're not doing that

um, you know, this is, this is the thing to remember is that this is not a... There's no goal in spirituality. And, and when we're, when we're just getting started, we're, we're all about the goal. I want to be spiritual. I want to be evolved. There, that is not a place. Let me just say now, there, that is not a place that you ever get to, okay?

It, this is a journey, and you are on the journey already, and all you gotta do is put one foot in front of the other, right? That's all it takes is just keep walking. Just keep swimming. Just keep swimming, right? We'll do a little Dory action here, right? But you gotta stop- ... worrying about the goal because the goal is in the future, and the only thing you can do is in the present.

So you gotta let go of that goal because it keeps you from being present. And, and just be where you are and, you know, take the next step that's in front of you. Don't worry about the step after that or the step after that. They will take care of themselves. Don't worry about who you will be in five years because that person will become as a function of the, the work you do in that five years.

And so you don't have to say, "Well, I can't do that thing I see me doing that's so big." Well, you won't be this person anymore by the time you get to the big thing, and so it won't matter, right? This person doesn't have to be that person. You know? The person you will become will be that person. So- It'll be that person

yeah. So you, you know, all of these things, right? I'm just saying that right now we're doing the upgrade. And right now is a really good time that if you have not come into the Welcome to the Woo program, this would be a really good time to do it because of all the downloads that are happening and all the shit that's gonna come flying at your face whether you like it or not.

Because that's what's happening. I don't make the rules, I just report them. So- The universe waits on no one. Yeah. When the electric god bit shit will stop is all I'm saying. So, you know- But it's just it's, it's just ... Yeah. I gotta thank my father for that quote. It was, it's, it's the best thing he ever told me.

Um, so you know, this is the thing. If you are thinking, you know, "Holy crap, I feel out of control," and, "Wow, thank you for that information 'cause I didn't know," I want you to know my students knew earlier this week. And if I had not had the anniversary podcast to do today, I probably would not have gotten around to saying anything because by the time the podcasts were coming out that were next in the queue, uh, they would have, it would have just not been, um, relevant anymore at that point.

So, um, you know, this is the thing that, that my students usually get that you guys don't get because of the timing on podcasts and whatever. So, um, you know, this is a good time to step in and do the Welcome to the Woo program. If you are on the fence, please remember that for a limited time I am actually teaching these classes myself, so you get direct access to me.

I am teaching both- What? I'm teaching all of them. Because, uh, Steven has m- You overachiever. Steven- Oh, has he? Yeah, Steven has moved on to, uh, he, he ... So one of the things we do with our students is- ... uh, any time I have a coach that I'm training and I'm working with, they're still in coaching with me and with Cathy.

And Cathy and I were working with Steven on, you know, what is it that you want? 'Cause he's getting to retirement age, and he was like, "Oh, well, you know, my hobby job," blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, "and then I can do all the things I wanna do," blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we looked at him and we were like, "Do you really need a hobby job?"

You know, "Is that really being retired if you're doing a hobby job?" And he was like, "Hmm, maybe you're right. Let me think about it." And he went and looked at his finances, and he went and looked at his life. And he said, "You know? I don't need a hobby job. I quit."

He said it nicer than that, but But that's what it came down to, was we were the, we were the hobby job that he was gonna do for his retirement. And, you know, doing the shamanic work and doing the, the coaching and stuff was, was something that he was gonna do to keep his hands in, to keep some income coming in, and, you know, to move forward with that.

Right. And, and he was like, "I don't need to. I'm gonna have my life, and I'm gonna have my retirement as a full retirement." And we, we fully supported that. Um, I did not anticip- I didn't anticipate that that was gonna be the response when I said it, 'cause I didn't know that we were the hobby job. But but yeah, so he moved on at the end of May, and so I have taken over the courses.

Okay. And so, um, if you were sad when I stopped teaching them, well, be happy now, and get in while the getting's good, because I am training up new coaches now. Um, and so, you know, this'll be a, uh, an opportunity for you to come and get to work with me in a group setting. Uh, but the, it's a small group, so, uh, we, we literally, um, are just re-enrolling people because I was doing the rebrand, and I didn't wanna try and market while I was doing the rebrand and all of that.

So we've been not marketing it for a while, and so, um, it's a very small group that's left. So I think we've got two or three people in there right now. So it, it is an intimate environment, uh, that will not remain so for much longer. So this would be a good time to sign up if you're sitting on the fence and thinking about it.

So all right. And with that, I think we've done- Yes ... a full episode and then some. Um, so much for- Yes, yes ... the bonus episode. It's a bonus round. It's a bonus round. Bonus round. Yeah. So. I just can't help, I just can't help but laugh to myself 'cause, you know, uh, you're a transformational shaman, and here you go and you transform one of your coaches and free up his future 'cause it's kinda like, "You really don't need it.

Uh, you're good." Yeah. And he's like, "You're right." Yeah. Yeah. So see, see, you're a transformational shaman. You can't help yourself. I can't. You have to help people w- in their journey- Yeah ... no matter what. No matter what. That, that is your calling. That's it. So- There you go ... even if it isn't in my best interest.

So, no, in the long- It's gonna be all right. The universe is gonna provide ... in the long run, it's, it's actually gonna be fine. But it's just, you know, it was a, it was a, "Oh." The fun part about being a transformational shaman is that I came to the call knowing that I was gonna have to take over the classes, but I didn't know why.

So that was the interesting thing. Oh, fun. Yeah, I was like- Okay ... "We have to take these classes over." Yeah, that is quite interesting. Why do I have to take the... I don't know why I have to take these classes over. And then we got on the call, and he said, "Yeah, I'm not... I'm, I'm, I'm leaving the company." I'm like, "Oh, okay, that would be why."

Oh, my gosh. All right, y'all hurry up and get her.

So yeah, there, there it is. So anyway, this, this is a be careful what you ask for is the Kelleism- ... of the day, for you will surely get it. Um, and, and- Yes ... all the things that come with it. So yes. Well, happy five years. Thank you. To everyone who's listening, watching, thank y'all for hanging out for five years.

We're gonna have at least five more, I'm just saying. I'm, you know, I'm seeing into the future 'cause I'm owning it. It's gonna be at least five more, probably 50 more, but we're- Oh ... just gonna go with it. No, I'm, I don't know for that. All right. Won't be with me. I'll be long dead by then.

She'll be talking to you from the grave That I could do That'll be a whole nother show. Yeah. That I could absolutely do. Yeah, no problem.

Well, that's all that we have time for this week, folks. Tune in next time when Kelle adds another chapter into your guide to energy, magic, and the spirit world. I'm Jules here with the ever after, even after she's after, ever after still coming around- ... Kelle Sparta. And you have been listening to Spirit Sherpa.

So long, everyone. Bye.