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Marie Antoinette: Redux
Episode 475th January 2026 • The Remedial Scholar • Levi Harrison
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This episode looks into the intricate and tumultuous life of Marie Antoinette, highlighting her as a complex figure often misrepresented in historical narratives. Amidst the backdrop of the French Revolution, we explore her journey from an Austrian archduchess to the Queen of France, examining the societal pressures and expectations that shaped her role. The discussion emphasizes her struggles with public perception, including the damaging propaganda that labeled her as "Madame Deficit" for the financial woes of the monarchy, despite her limited agency in the decisions that led to such turmoil. We also reflect on her personal tragedies, including the loss of her children and the ultimate consequences of her royal status during a period of upheaval. As the episode unfolds, we invite listeners to reconsider the historical context of her life, moving beyond caricatures to acknowledge the human experience behind the crown.

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Speaker A:

Hello and welcome to the Remedial Scholar.

Speaker A:

I am Levi and I wanted to give you this little preview before this episode because it's, it's a special kind of episode.

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You might be wondering if you're a returning listener where the show has been.

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And you know, in truth, I just kind of been looking for a way to like, re.

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Inspire myself.

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So this episode is a redo, if you.

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A redux if you will, where I'm joined by either a friend of the show, fan of the show, combination of the two, somebody who has interest in a specific topic maybe, and these are things that I'm going to be doing going forward intermittently.

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It's not going to be the whole show, but is going to add something a little bit different.

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So I'm excited about that.

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This episode itself is slightly different than the original version because I've added somebody to banter with back and forth.

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Also I've shortened it a little bit.

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Hopefully I've tried to remove some of the more redundant things, so I hope that it flows a little bit better.

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And you know, I, I, like I said, I have more new episodes coming out soon.

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You know, it's a new year, new us kind of got some.

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I got a new website, got new merch.

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I'm not gonna hammer that in too quickly.

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I just want to get back to being regular and getting the show back to where I want it to be and hopefully not letting the listeners down.

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So all of the links can be found in the description.

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I'll probably say that in like 20 seconds, but.

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Or, well, whatever, but yeah.

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So anyway, enjoy this redo episode of Marie Antoinette.

Speaker A:

That's ancient history.

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I feel I was denying critical need to know information.

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Belongs in museum.

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Stop skipping your remedial class.

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Welcome everybody to the Remedial Scholar.

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I am Levi, and with me today, the one and only Hannah.

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Last name redacted.

Speaker A:

Hello.

Speaker B:

Hello.

Speaker A:

She is one of the writers of at least one episode.

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I don't remember.

Speaker A:

You did the emu War.

Speaker B:

I did, I did.

Speaker A:

I don't know if you did any others because it's been so long, but.

Speaker B:

Either emu's for sure though.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Anyway, big, big supporter of the show.

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Also married to one of my longest time friends and also, I guess we're friends, whatever.

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The mother of my godchild.

Speaker B:

Yes.

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And all the things.

Speaker A:

So you are here today with me to explore an episode that I have done before.

Speaker A:

This is, you know, obviously a new format because there's an additional person here and we are going to go through Marie Antoinette, which You know, is there's a lot going on with her and I'm excited to go through it with somebody who has a lot of, just a wealth of knowledge outside of just like being a researcher.

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Like you just enjoy learning about things and reading things and you have a really good perspective on a lot of things that I, I guess I like.

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So I'm excited to.

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Yeah.

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To go through it.

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First and foremost.

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What, what do you, what what's your, like your.

Speaker A:

When you think of Marie Antoinette, what do you.

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Would.

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What goes through your head?

Speaker B:

Yeah.

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So I guess the perspective that I have on this that made me excited about this episode was that.

Speaker B:

So in high school we did acadec.

Speaker B:

Right.

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Which was academic decathlon.

Speaker A:

Oh yeah.

Speaker B:

One of the subjects that we studied one year, I think I was a sophomore in high school was the French Revolution.

Speaker B:

So we talked, we went into super, super detail on the history and the art and the social climate of the revolution.

Speaker B:

And so we talked a lot about like the Robespierre side of things.

Speaker A:

Oh yeah.

Speaker B:

And like what, what the revolutionaries were doing and why and the policies and so I, I have a fair amount of knowledge on that side of things.

Speaker B:

And so I'm very interested to hear more about Marie Antoinette as a historical person.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So definitely more, I guess, research than the other guys that I've been on so far.

Speaker A:

I mean, nothing against the other people that I've done this with so far, but I'm teaching them a lot of things and I think it's going to be nice having somebody that's got a pretty decent foundation, if not more so.

Speaker A:

Yeah, we're gonna do Marie Antoinette it.

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Well, I don't know if I should say it like that, but we're going back to France.

Speaker A:

I've been in France like so many times on this show.

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It's a home away from home.

Speaker B:

There's so much drama.

Speaker A:

There really is.

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Quick side note, I saw a meme earlier and it was, it was a suit of armor and then it had the French flag behind it and it's like very like a historical battle hardened country.

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And then the next page was a arrow right in the slit of the helmet.

Speaker A:

And it was like losing one war recently, like poor France, they, they really did do a lot of, a lot of damage for a long time.

Speaker B:

And then they're, they're over the drama.

Speaker B:

They're past that in their history.

Speaker A:

We're turning a new leaf.

Speaker A:

So yeah, let's just go back.

Speaker A:

It's going to be a little bit of like a brief kind of What France has got going on up to the point to where Marie Antoinette enters the picture and then obviously talk about her and kind of sidestepping that a little bit to.

Speaker A:

There was a little bit of drama going on during her lifetime.

Speaker A:

I'm sure people know about it.

Speaker A:

But yeah, Aviva la revelation.

Speaker A:

So, yeah, let's go to France in the Middle Ages, pretty much starting from the end of the Black Death period, France had a, I don't know, it was a pretty drastic shift in how they operated things.

Speaker A:

The amount of workers that they had in different areas dropped for some odd reason.

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And this kind of shifted the power scales a little bit where instead of like a typical surf landlord class, you had people that had a little more, I don't know, leeway in terms of how they were, how they were viewed because there was less peasants to work the farms.

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And then they started to get a little bit of.

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A little more money.

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Power, I guess, is a. I can't words today.

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This is going to be exciting.

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So with that, prices ended up changing and then there started this rise of a.

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Almost middle class.

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Now, obviously the super rich, opulent, wealthy people, you know, they still had all their power, but they kind of had a little more respect, I guess for everybody else because it was harder to do all the things that kind of kept them super rich.

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Right.

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So in:

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And this is the Jackary rebellion.

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I'm going to do my best to pronounce these French words.

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I loved it as best as I can in my French through French 3 in high school, you know, which was just the other day.

Speaker A:

It feels like.

Speaker B:

So all the experience I have, you're not amongst an expert here.

Speaker A:

So the uprising unfolded in the 14th century and this is also kind of coinciding with the Hundred Years War.

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The Black Death had just happened.

Speaker A:

The rebellion getting its name from Jacques, which is a common moniker for peasants, which, I don't know, like now Jacques just feels like a fancy name.

Speaker A:

So it's kind of funny how, how far removed you get from certain things that the, the words change there, I guess original, the original power, but essentially this rural population, they were really just downtrodden.

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The economic hardships really were exacerbated by the Black Death.

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And they were like, you know what?

Speaker A:

We should probably do something, otherwise we're just going to get stomped on.

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And so they did.

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So they took up arms against their oppressors.

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They did have a little bit of success, but feudal forces did end up suppressing this uprising.

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But you know, this is kind of the setting.

Speaker A:

It's not for a while before they actually end up overthrowing the powers that be.

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But this is like, hey, it could be done.

Speaker A:

We just got to be a little better about it.

Speaker A:

So the feudal system, although fractured from this time period, still going unfortunately for the peasants also, you know, it just didn't help the tensions between the people who were super well off and the people who were definitely not.

Speaker A:

And after the.

Speaker A:

It was a couple hundred years after the Jacquerie rebellion.

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Louis the.

Speaker A:

With the 13th, he's definitely, definitely does his part to upset his constituents, I guess.

Speaker B:

I don't know what you mean.

Speaker A:

Yeah, well, I, I don't know.

Speaker A:

He could be.

Speaker A:

This is just.

Speaker A:

This poor guy has been disparaged through history.

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The one, one of the things that people are go, hey, man, that might be too far is this little hunting lodge that he built.

Speaker A:

Pretty low key, not that fancy.

Speaker A:

We know it as Versailles.

Speaker B:

And it's not that big of a deal.

Speaker A:

It's really not that big a deal.

Speaker A:

And I wish people would stop making it seem as such.

Speaker A:

Yeah, this, this like attitude of, hey guys, I know you're struggling, but also I built a pretty cool house for me and my homies when we go hunting.

Speaker A:

Pretty cool.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Very, very couldn't be me.

Speaker B:

Very couldn't be attitude.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So it's, you know, it's things like that that people started getting not or just being.

Speaker A:

Becoming tired of these things happening all the time.

Speaker A:

I'm struggling to make ends meet.

Speaker A:

I have to eat rats off the street.

Speaker A:

And this guy is building one of the most opulent buildings ever built.

Speaker A:

And it's just a hunting lodge.

Speaker A:

You know, it's not even like this is our new palace.

Speaker A:

It's like that's kind of just a place I go sometimes.

Speaker A:

It's not even worth it, really.

Speaker A:

It's kind of dumb.

Speaker B:

This is the humble chateau that we go to when, when palace life gets.

Speaker A:

Exactly.

Speaker A:

So.

Speaker A:

So we have, in the 17th century, we have the Franco Dutch War, the Nine Years War, and then the war of reunions.

Speaker A:

So also the peasants kind of fronting the bill in that because taxes.

Speaker A:

Pretty, pretty cool to be building these like, super opulent places.

Speaker A:

And also being like, you guys aren't paying us enough.

Speaker A:

And now there's the War of Spanish Succession.

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At the.

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heirs, very sick, and died in:

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And before he died, he willed his throne to Philip V. Grand and then that was Louis XIV's grandson.

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ied with France or Spain from:

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Eventually resolved with the Treaty of Utrecht, in which Philip was confirmed as the king of Spain, but he had to renounce his ties to France.

Speaker A:

Seems reasonable.

Speaker A:

There's something that they didn't like about a king, like, ruling over all the things.

Speaker A:

Weird.

Speaker A:

It's also kind of weird that it's.

Speaker A:

We don't want you to be king of, like, too many places here, but, like, if you want to, like, take over, I don't know, Vietnam or, like, you know, all these, like, places all over the place, that's fine.

Speaker B:

Well, that's.

Speaker B:

That's classic.

Speaker B:

That's classic.

Speaker B:

The leopards won't eat my face party.

Speaker A:

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker B:

Go ahead and.

Speaker B:

Go ahead and colonize other people over there.

Speaker A:

I heard Africa really, really needs to learn how to speak French.

Speaker A:

You should go there.

Speaker A:

It's pretty cool.

Speaker B:

First order of business.

Speaker A:

Yeah, Tahiti, maybe.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

After this, things were pretty peaceful.

Speaker A:

Good and bad.

Speaker A:

A little bit good that there's no major wars, but bad in that the population was now growing rapidly.

Speaker A:

And this is attributed to a combination of advances in medical care and then, which, you know, kind of coincided with decreasing infant mortality or rates, I guess.

Speaker A:

I don't.

Speaker A:

That infant mortality is just one of those phrases that I'm like.

Speaker A:

I don't feel like I'm saying it right anytime, but because I have it written here as helped with infant mortality.

Speaker B:

Which just hastened along.

Speaker A:

We.

Speaker A:

Yeah, but.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

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million between:

Speaker A:

And then this large population contrasted with the lack of jobs to match this growth, leading to an estimated 8 to 12 million people in poverty.

Speaker A:

And then we also had the question of the debt that Louis XIV may or may not have racked up during his tenure.

Speaker A:

With all the wars and stuff.

Speaker B:

You can't say.

Speaker B:

Nobody knows.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

His successor, Louis xv, wasn't much better.

Speaker A:

his reign, but this ended in:

Speaker A:

A lot of succession wars.

Speaker A:

Louis the 15th even left the safety of Versailles.

Speaker A:

He gasped and traveled to the Netherlands.

Speaker A:

During the conflict at the Battle of Fontenoy, Louis brought his son, Louis ferdinand, who was 16 at the time.

Speaker A:

And the young prince, he was pumped because he got to see a bunch of dead bodies, which is usually a good sign for your future king.

Speaker A:

I love all these dead people and someday they're going to die for me.

Speaker A:

And I love it.

Speaker B:

It's very stable.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

And he was like, this is a good teaching moment between me and my son.

Speaker A:

And he said, hey son, you see?

Speaker A:

See this?

Speaker A:

This is what victory costs you.

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The blood of our enemies is still the blood of men.

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And the true glory is to spare it.

Speaker A:

Did his son listen?

Speaker A:

Probably not.

Speaker A:

I'm going to go.

Speaker B:

Good effort.

Speaker A:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A:

So pretty, Pretty cool.

Speaker A:

I mean I, I like, I like those moments, especially in these kinds of stories where know who the people to end up being.

Speaker A:

But like you could see that somebody was trying to be like, hey man, check this out.

Speaker A:

People are real and they have lives and they matter too.

Speaker A:

And it just makes you wonder what, what went wrong?

Speaker A:

Where did, where did father push you wrong?

Speaker A:

So that war specifically super costly on the French and also put them closer to bankruptc.

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After the war, Louis aimed to reduce the debt and modernize taxation.

Speaker A:

His finance minister crafted reforms and then they were approved.

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In:

Speaker A:

You know these war bonds, it's a old school method that people love good war bonds.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

But it was, it was going well, but it was just not as good as it could have been, which is understandable.

Speaker A:

There was a new tax that or a tax that was abolished and then replaced by a new one which just taxed everybody.

Speaker A:

And this made people pretty mad because it included nobility and the church, which.

Speaker A:

What?

Speaker A:

My pearls.

Speaker A:

How dare you.

Speaker B:

You absolutely cannot be doing that.

Speaker A:

Yep.

Speaker A:

So anyway, this for some reason had created some tension in parliament.

Speaker A:

So crazy.

Speaker A:

Louis XV's peace with the treaty nailed it lasted only seven years.

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In:

Speaker A:

My gosh, it's so sneaky.

Speaker A:

Nobody will ever see it coming.

Speaker A:

Meanwhile, conflict in the new world escalated into the French and Indian war, which Americans we know about that we were there.

Speaker B:

That was us.

Speaker A:

er declared war on Britain in:

Speaker A:

And then a whole lot of fighting all over the globe.

Speaker A:

Basically they fought in the Mediterranean and then obviously state in the United states and like Canada.

Speaker A:

inique fell to the British in:

Speaker A:

Now this all compounding the very poor economic management of the French treasury.

Speaker A:

They already didn't have money for payments and had to take loans just to maintain normal business, which is a good place to be when you're running a country.

Speaker A:

It's always nice to not have any money.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Gotta rack up that national debt.

Speaker A:

That's right.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

The higher it goes, the better off you are.

Speaker A:

That's.

Speaker A:

That's what they tell me.

Speaker A:

Taxes, obviously, they put them into overdrive trying to balance the economy, and then that didn't create any tension at all.

Speaker A:

And everybody's super happy.

Speaker A:

The end.

Speaker B:

Amazing.

Speaker A:

Yep.

Speaker A:

ecret alliance with France in:

Speaker A:

That's not all she did in:

Speaker A:

She also gave birth to a human.

Speaker B:

A baby.

Speaker A:

A baby, Yep.

Speaker A:

A baby girl, no less, named Maria Antonia Josephina Joanna.

Speaker B:

Oh, beautiful.

Speaker B:

Love it.

Speaker A:

Yep.

Speaker A:

Which reminds me of the.

Speaker A:

What's.

Speaker A:

What's his name?

Speaker A:

Ernesto from the Suite Life of Zack and Cody.

Speaker A:

Oh, he's got.

Speaker A:

Got like 400 names and he just.

Speaker B:

I never watched Sweet Life.

Speaker B:

I'm sorry, that's a.

Speaker A:

Moving on before you upset me anymore.

Speaker A:

No.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So anyway, she was born on November 2nd.

Speaker A:

Oh, my gosh.

Speaker A:

Happy belated.

Speaker A:

1755.

Speaker A:

Now, in May of:

Speaker A:

And this event and subsequent actions led to the outbreak of the Seven Years War, which was the entire thing that the French and Indian War was a part of.

Speaker A:

And that colonel, young man named George Washington.

Speaker B:

Oh, yeah.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So anyway, back to.

Speaker A:

Back to Maria.

Speaker A:

She was the 15th child.

Speaker A:

How do you feel about that as a mom of two?

Speaker B:

That's too many children.

Speaker A:

That's at least.

Speaker B:

That's 13 too many.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Were they all alive?

Speaker B:

Did they all live?

Speaker A:

Well, I mean, what is living, you know, Right.

Speaker A:

You had to, like, have a bunch and then maybe most of them survive, hopefully.

Speaker A:

It's also really weird to me when, like, noble people have that many children.

Speaker A:

Like, because, like, the peasants.

Speaker A:

I get it, you need that many people to just work.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

But, like, nobles, what are you doing is you already have enough.

Speaker B:

You gotta make heirs.

Speaker B:

Heirs on errors.

Speaker B:

And then if they're girls, you sell them to people, which.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I mean, nobody.

Speaker A:

Nobody does that, though.

Speaker A:

So the crazy part is she wasn't even the youngest, so she was one of the 17.

Speaker A:

Or wait, she was.

Speaker A:

Oh, man.

Speaker A:

She was the 15th child and there were 16 total eventually, which is crazy.

Speaker A:

Yeah, that's.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

No, thanks.

Speaker A:

She was also the youngest girl.

Speaker A:

She's the baby.

Speaker B:

Beautiful baby.

Speaker B:

Beautiful princess.

Speaker A:

And that's right.

Speaker A:

And her father was Francis, the first of the neither holy, no, nor Roman Empire.

Speaker A:

So, you know, pretty fun.

Speaker A:

She was said to be a very adorable baby.

Speaker A:

Big blue eyes, long blonde curls, or not long little blonde curls which bounced all over the place.

Speaker A:

Pretty fun.

Speaker A:

She was also very cheerful and happy and very much a daddy's girl.

Speaker A:

Very well.

Speaker A:

And, you know, being the youngest of all of them probably helped that, but.

Speaker A:

And you know, that's.

Speaker A:

use she was, you know, one of:

Speaker B:

It's at least:

Speaker A:

Yeah, it's like another movie reference here.

Speaker A:

Horton Hears a who, when he's got all them children.

Speaker B:

All those babies.

Speaker A:

Yeah, just.

Speaker A:

All right, you get your two seconds of dad.

Speaker A:

Anyway, so one of the man.

Speaker A:

I remember this from the first time I did this episode.

Speaker A:

An intersection of history here.

Speaker A:

Young Maria Marie, whatever her name is, whoever she might be, cross paths with a little known fella, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.

Speaker B:

I have not heard this story.

Speaker B:

Tell me more.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So in:

Speaker A:

They were both six, apparently.

Speaker A:

No, she was a little older than him.

Speaker A:

He was born in:

Speaker A:

I don't know why I wrote 6 year olds.

Speaker A:

But anyway, despite that they were both here.

Speaker A:

She was there as part of her family being, you know, super fancy and all this.

Speaker A:

And he was there because he is a virtuoso and just playing so much piano and probably a lot of Billy Joel, if I was gonna guess.

Speaker B:

Solid, Solid.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

What else would you be playing?

Speaker A:

So they met the young prodigy, met with the royal family and performed for them and then jumped into Maria, Marie Antoinette's mom, Maria Teresa.

Speaker A:

He jumped into her.

Speaker A:

Her.

Speaker A:

And then gave her a big old smooch.

Speaker B:

Oh, yeah.

Speaker A:

Adorable.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So he was 6 at the time, which is also super cute.

Speaker A:

those, like, big wigs and the:

Speaker A:

Pretty, pretty adorable playing.

Speaker B:

Is playing his little piano.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

I know this episode's not about him, but it's so crazy that he was doing that at six, just like being shipped off to courts and stuff.

Speaker B:

That's wild.

Speaker A:

It is super crazy.

Speaker A:

I appreciate his just talent, but it is wild to think about, like, hey, we're gonna go, you know, several hundred miles away in probably by carriage, and then you're gonna Play for some very powerful people.

Speaker A:

So maybe don't mess it up.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

No pressure.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So after he smooched her mom, making out with her mom, there's a interaction that he supposedly had slipped on a rug.

Speaker A:

And then Marie Antoinette helped him to his feet.

Speaker A:

And then he said, you are good.

Speaker A:

I will marry you.

Speaker A:

And she said, why?

Speaker A:

And he said, out of gratitude.

Speaker A:

She is good with me.

Speaker A:

And that's adorable.

Speaker A:

I was like, you're just good to me.

Speaker A:

You help me up and that.

Speaker A:

You know, some of these, like, they for sure were at the same place, and he for sure jumped in her mom's lap.

Speaker A:

But there's a lot of, like, dubious accounts of, like, how their interactions went.

Speaker A:

This is one of the ones that's like, maybe, maybe it's true, maybe it's not.

Speaker A:

But I choose to believe it's true because it's adorable.

Speaker B:

Kids are always proposing to each other.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

It's.

Speaker A:

It's accurate.

Speaker A:

It's one of those things that I've carried through my adulthood.

Speaker A:

I'm just proposing to everybody.

Speaker A:

I mean, they gotta.

Speaker A:

It got.

Speaker A:

It's gotta work out at some point.

Speaker B:

That's.

Speaker B:

That's one of my favorite qualities about you.

Speaker B:

You just.

Speaker B:

You go right for it.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Anyway.

Speaker A:

Outside of rubbing elbows with some of the most famous musicians at the time, her childhood was pretty much what you would expect.

Speaker A:

Very meticulously curated to prepare her for the demanding role that she would assume at some point, whether it be a queen or just, like, marrying into a royal house.

Speaker A:

A noble house, whatever.

Speaker A:

She had a very strict educational foundation, which emphasized refinement and cultural aptitude.

Speaker A:

Fancy.

Speaker A:

She also got to read a lot of the vast European literature that was unavailable to many other people her age, which I think is kind of.

Speaker A:

I mean, that's got to be cool to be like a noble kid at that point.

Speaker A:

Like, just knowing that you get access to some of this stuff, it's pretty cool.

Speaker A:

And also a musical education.

Speaker A:

She loved the arts.

Speaker A:

She loved having.

Speaker A:

She had dance lessons.

Speaker A:

Very excited to be a part of her dance lessons, which they were kind of twofold.

Speaker A:

You would do dance to, you know, learn how to enjoy the finer things, like music and stuff.

Speaker A:

But also, like, good dancing was paramount to their, like, good posture.

Speaker A:

Like, if you could dance well, you had very good grace and your poise was, you know, exactly what people wanted to see out of a becoming young lady.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

And then obviously, you know, etiquette, big thing.

Speaker A:

Just interacting with so many other wealthy people, learning new languages, doing all the things.

Speaker A:

She was a German speaker, naturally, but then took French.

Speaker A:

Pretty.

Speaker A:

Like, learned it pretty quickly, which would serve her well.

Speaker A:

Eventually, of course, it would be funny if she didn't know any French at all the entire time.

Speaker A:

So it's just like this lady doesn't even care about.

Speaker A:

Yeah, like, I think that you're gonna do well.

Speaker A:

I don't think you need French.

Speaker A:

And then everybody's like, if she would just learn to speak our language, maybe we wouldn't hate her.

Speaker A:

All wasn't sunshiners and rainbows in the childhood of Marie Antoinette.

Speaker A:

Two of her siblings had died due to smallpox.

Speaker A:

By the time she was eight, that had happened.

Speaker A:

Her parents also very stressed because there was wars literally everywhere, which makes sense.

Speaker A:

When she was 10, she had her last goodbye with her papa family traveling to Innsbruck for her brother Leopold's wedding.

Speaker A:

The carriage caravan was late to leave because Francis wanted to get a goodbye.

Speaker A:

Yes.

Speaker A:

From his favorite daughter is his sweet baby.

Speaker A:

And his wife was like, I hate that girl.

Speaker A:

Leave me alone.

Speaker A:

No.

Speaker A:

She was annoyed that they were late, though.

Speaker A:

And then this was the last goodbye that she ever got with her dad.

Speaker A:

So rude.

Speaker A:

I don't know why I didn't put it in here.

Speaker A:

But I don't know what happened to him.

Speaker A:

The world may never know.

Speaker A:

It's a mystery that remains.

Speaker A:

He might be Bigfoot.

Speaker A:

Who knows?

Speaker B:

Alive to the.

Speaker B:

Steve was the Unabomber.

Speaker A:

Oh, my God.

Speaker A:

Probably.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

I guess she did resemble her father in.

Speaker A:

In a lot of ways.

Speaker A:

She was.

Speaker A:

She was not very good academically, which her father was not either.

Speaker A:

But I feel like maybe there was, like, some of that.

Speaker A:

Like, she emulated a lot of him, and that's kind of why he latched on to her as, like, the favorite.

Speaker A:

Because, like, that's.

Speaker A:

That's me.

Speaker A:

But in a dress.

Speaker A:

Almost exact same.

Speaker A:

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker A:

So it took her a long time to learn to read and write, whatever.

Speaker A:

Lame.

Speaker A:

Anyway.

Speaker A:

But, you know, she tried.

Speaker A:

She tried real hard.

Speaker A:

And she may or may not have also cheated in.

Speaker A:

In some regard.

Speaker A:

Her governess would write down the things in pencil before giving it to her, and then she would, like, trace it in ink.

Speaker B:

Yeah, that's.

Speaker A:

I mean, you're gonna learn eventually.

Speaker A:

That's a good way to do it, I feel like.

Speaker A:

And I guess, you know, I don't know.

Speaker A:

I think it's.

Speaker A:

I think it's.

Speaker A:

Everybody learns differently.

Speaker A:

I don't think it's that big a deal.

Speaker A:

But her mother had high expectations of her children, especially her daughters, because they were to be, you know, the.

Speaker A:

The anchors that helped secure the empire and the alliances and all the things.

Speaker A:

She had to marry her daughters off in a strategic manner, Right?

Speaker A:

So one to Italy, one to France, you know, to just all over the place, trying to spread the wealth, but also assure these alliances.

Speaker A:

Two of her daughters moved into life within the Church, A couple nuns to the nunnery.

Speaker A:

And then one daughter who was in love, but her with a prince.

Speaker A:

But her mother said, no, you're not.

Speaker A:

You're gonna go marry who I tell you to.

Speaker B:

He's not worth enough.

Speaker A:

Yeah, Ab.

Speaker A:

And it's.

Speaker A:

Man, I can't think of his name.

Speaker A:

I was gonna say the guy from Frozen, but the mean one.

Speaker B:

Hans.

Speaker A:

Yeah, it was Hans.

Speaker B:

No, it was.

Speaker A:

Marie almost avoided marriage altogether, which I gotta tell you, probably wish she would have.

Speaker A:

Her older sister, Maria Elizabeth, almost married King Louis XV after his wife died.

Speaker A:

But the issue was that Maria Elizabeth had a little bit of smallpox, so her face was a little.

Speaker A:

A little scarred up from the pox.

Speaker A:

And Louis 15th, any of the Louis, really.

Speaker A:

They're pretty vain, so.

Speaker A:

Which is hilarious, because look at them.

Speaker A:

You know what I mean?

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Habsburg jaw.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So Louis the 15th, he was like, hey, babe, what you look like?

Speaker A:

And then sent a portrait artist to Vienna.

Speaker A:

And he went.

Speaker A:

He went to Vienna, and he confirmed that her face was a little scarred and the marriage was called off with this monster trying to marry me.

Speaker A:

Pretty crazy, though.

Speaker A:

After that, Louis the 15th sent a letter to Maria Teresa, and he said, hey, I heard you got another couple daughters running around.

Speaker A:

What's going on with them?

Speaker A:

She's like, yeah, I do.

Speaker A:

I have Marie Antoinette.

Speaker A:

She's kind of dumb.

Speaker A:

No, she did.

Speaker A:

She was like, hey, we gotta.

Speaker A:

We gotta tutor this girl up.

Speaker A:

She.

Speaker A:

This is the big one.

Speaker A:

This is the big one.

Speaker A:

We all gotta get ready.

Speaker A:

So she got a new governess for her that was way more skilled and was like, we gotta prep you to be part of the royal family.

Speaker A:

And she was tough and thorough, but she did a good job.

Speaker A:

She was quick to find out that Marie did not know the things that she thought she knew because, you know, she was tracing over her previous ones, writings and things, and she was 13, man.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker B:

I feel like I was gonna.

Speaker B:

I was gonna ask how old she was.

Speaker B:

She was 13 at this time.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

She was pushed into, like, some serious arithmetic and all sorts of learning.

Speaker A:

Maria Theresa, not taking any chances, brought the best of the best to teach her all of the things.

Speaker A:

She was hiring, like, different scholars of all over the place and just like a.

Speaker A:

Like a romantic comedy montage of like her getting ready.

Speaker A:

And then like there's a scene of her like running on a treadmill with all the things connected and then like her reading a book and then somebody else is holding like another book.

Speaker A:

And then there's like 10 other arms holding other books and she's like reading them all.

Speaker A:

She's getting prepared.

Speaker A:

Yeah, very much is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker B:

It was a great, it was a great metaphor.

Speaker A:

I liked it.

Speaker A:

I know.

Speaker A:

I. I feel like somebody should make that movie.

Speaker A:

I know there's already kind of that movie, so Sophia Coppola made the Marie Antoinette one.

Speaker A:

But I feel like there's some new angles we could explore.

Speaker B:

But add some modern pop music to it, we've got a masterpiece.

Speaker A:

Oh, yeah.

Speaker A:

Little Sabrina Carpenter, you know, her tutor.

Speaker A:

This is a quote from her tutor.

Speaker A:

She said, after devoting my first instructions to the object of acquainting myself with the turn of mind and degree of her Royal Highness's knowledge, I arranged the method of learning I considered most useful to Madame the Archduchess.

Speaker A:

In order to diminish the wearisome nature of the studies.

Speaker A:

I keep them as much as possible to the forms of conversation.

Speaker A:

I cannot speak highly enough of the docility and goodwill of HRH I don't know who that is.

Speaker A:

But her Royal Highness.

Speaker A:

Oh, yeah, okay.

Speaker A:

But her liveliness and the frequent distractions militate.

Speaker A:

Militate insensibility against her desire to learn.

Speaker B:

She's.

Speaker A:

She's a little distracted.

Speaker A:

It's fine.

Speaker A:

She's also 13 again.

Speaker A:

A 13 year old who was raised in a very wealthy household.

Speaker A:

I'm just saying there's sometimes these people don't learn well.

Speaker A:

They're kind of like, hey, garcon, bring me the baguette.

Speaker A:

You know what I mean?

Speaker B:

Especially if you're tracing your governess's work.

Speaker A:

Yeah, like just trace these.

Speaker A:

I don't care.

Speaker A:

Let's just get through it.

Speaker A:

Your mother's gonna be mad if you don't.

Speaker A:

And then turns out actually it's super important and we have to get you up to speed immediately.

Speaker A:

brought together in April of:

Speaker A:

's a big old state dinner sat:

Speaker A:

And they had masked ballroom dancing, fireworks, gold and silver plates, all the things, all that jazz.

Speaker A:

Great Gatsby was there.

Speaker A:

Weirdly, the wedding wasn't an actual wedding.

Speaker A:

It was a proxy wedding in April 90.

Speaker A:

Her brother Ferdinand stood in for the groom, which is an interesting decision.

Speaker A:

Normal, it's like, I mean, I know they have like proxy weddings for people in like Prison and stuff, but take them over there.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

It feels weird.

Speaker B:

Can't be done camp.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

,:

Speaker A:

The small, dilapidated, just hard place to be.

Speaker B:

Cabin, really.

Speaker A:

It's.

Speaker A:

It's oppressive.

Speaker A:

How disgusting it is.

Speaker A:

You know, there was some bad omens there.

Speaker A:

There was.

Speaker A:

It was stormy, which was bad luck.

Speaker A:

But then also some people say it's good luck to rain on a wedding.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

Pretty cool.

Speaker A:

There was also 5,000 people in attendance, and then there was 200,000 people outside of Versailles watching the fireworks.

Speaker A:

Fireworks may or may not have killed 132 people.

Speaker A:

Why are we dwelling on things like this?

Speaker B:

What are you talking about?

Speaker A:

There's a firework display and some things.

Speaker B:

Happened and killed a bunch of serfs.

Speaker B:

What?

Speaker A:

I. Yeah, I don't know if there was like a fire or what.

Speaker A:

And then maybe 800 people got killed in a stampede of people escaping.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

It's fine.

Speaker B:

Like, a thousand people died.

Speaker A:

Why are we.

Speaker A:

Why are we concerned with the.

Speaker A:

The.

Speaker A:

This happened so long ago, you know.

Speaker B:

Moving on, moving on.

Speaker A:

No.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

It is crazy that almost a thousand people died at a wedding.

Speaker A:

Probably bad luck, I'm gonna go ahead and say, with the storms on the wedding day, judging by this.

Speaker A:

And then, you know, everything else that happened to them, pretty weird.

Speaker A:

There was also some other weird stuff going on.

Speaker A:

There's a thing called ritual bedding, which I don't know if you're familiar, but basically everybody wanted to make sure that the marriage was consummated.

Speaker B:

How else are you gonna know?

Speaker A:

Yeah, so I guess they just, like, forced them into a room together, but, like, everybody waited outside the room.

Speaker A:

It wasn't like the Mormons, where they're like on the bed, bouncing the bed for them and stuff, but pretty crazy.

Speaker A:

And then, like, after they did the thing, they, like, barged it on the room, and we're like, yeah, good job.

Speaker B:

Great, Great work, everybody.

Speaker B:

Let's see those.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So again, she is 16 at this point, so that's.

Speaker A:

I mean, weird, but yeah.

Speaker B:

So how old is Louie?

Speaker B:

Do we have an age on Louie?

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker B:

You said his first wife had died, so, like.

Speaker A:

Oh, that.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

30S, 40s.

Speaker A:

Well, Louis the 15th's wife died, and she almost ended up being his wife.

Speaker A:

Oh, but this is Louis the 16th.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

I don't remember him being that much older than her, though.

Speaker B:

All right.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I guess.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

They're both young, but at least he wasn't 50, know what I mean?

Speaker A:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A:

Also apparently the deed was not even done that day, nor would it be done until like seven years after they were married.

Speaker A:

For some reason I imagine that Louis 16th had some minor health problems.

Speaker A:

I don't know where he would have gotten them, but.

Speaker B:

Nor I.

Speaker A:

So anyway, but the, the not consummating the marriage and also you know, not like because apparently it was tough for him.

Speaker A:

Whatever.

Speaker A:

Weird.

Speaker A:

And that would be like a tension in their marriage for a while, which makes sense.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So anyway, four years after they get married, Louis XV dies.

Speaker A:

Louis 16th crowned king and very exciting.

Speaker A:

But also people were weirded out that the queen had not bequeath the child yet.

Speaker A:

Why not?

Speaker B:

Four years, you've got a lot of time.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

You should have had like 30 kids by then.

Speaker B:

At least 60.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

I mean she's got her parents genes.

Speaker B:

You.

Speaker A:

You'd think.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I guess the.

Speaker A:

I.

Speaker A:

Well, I don't know.

Speaker A:

The lack of children bothered many in the royal court.

Speaker A:

But also the mother in law drama Marie Teresa, Marie Antoinette's mother, not happy that they weren't having children yet also decided that she was going to do something about it, which is exciting.

Speaker A:

I guess this is a little more family meddling than I would normally entertain, I suppose, but you know, here we go.

Speaker A:

Maria Theresa assigns Marie Antoinette's brother Joseph II to investigate why they aren't doing the thing.

Speaker A:

Joseph was the oldest son and apparently he was the sex sleuth in the family.

Speaker A:

He could get down to business to defeat the Huns.

Speaker B:

And I can't imagine knowing which of my children is the sex sleuth.

Speaker B:

I know so much.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

is life just to go do this in:

Speaker A:

ed their first first child in:

Speaker A:

So pretty interesting proposed issues.

Speaker A:

Do we have any guesses on why they were not having children?

Speaker A:

Where to begin?

Speaker B:

Yeah, no kidding.

Speaker B:

Yeah, they just.

Speaker B:

Neither one of them, neither one of them ever had it explained to them.

Speaker B:

They would just get in bed and look at each other.

Speaker A:

I'm sure I know I'm supposed to lay on top of you and they're just like literally fully clothed.

Speaker A:

Just like.

Speaker B:

Are we doing it?

Speaker B:

Have we done it?

Speaker A:

Do you feel like there's a baby there?

Speaker A:

Yeah, there is.

Speaker A:

One of.

Speaker A:

One of the leading theories is that there is a medical issue called mimosis and there was a surgical procedure that needed to fix it and he didn't want to.

Speaker A:

And Joseph recommended, hey, you should probably do it because, you know, if you want kids.

Speaker A:

Whether he did or did not go through with this, who knows if it was an actual thing, but they did end up having four children.

Speaker A:

So, you know, alternate theories include him being asexual.

Speaker A:

Maria or Marie had written a letter to her mother, Maria, stating that the issue was not on her desires, but on his willingness.

Speaker B:

So devastating.

Speaker A:

But also if he's got this condition, maybe that could help his unwillingness.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

And the last theory is that he was just too well endowed and she couldn't handle it.

Speaker A:

So that seems, that seems like some pro Louis XVI propaganda.

Speaker B:

Himself.

Speaker A:

He said, yeah, yeah, she just can't handle it.

Speaker A:

That's crazy.

Speaker A:

And everybody, everybody in the thing is like, come on, Louie.

Speaker A:

We know, we, we see the pants, dude, we know he's got.

Speaker B:

Those were so tight.

Speaker B:

They're so tight.

Speaker A:

After the marriage, Marie had some issues trying to fit in with her new place in life.

Speaker A:

Her father in law's mistress, particularly turbulent Madame du Barry, was politically connected and seen as a source of anti Austrian rhetoric occurring within the court.

Speaker A:

Super fun.

Speaker A:

Your mother in law hates you and also your entire country that you come from.

Speaker A:

Pretty exciting.

Speaker B:

Everybody, everybody knows what that's like.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I mean, who doesn't have a crazy mother in law, Am I right?

Speaker A:

Two days, two days after the death of Louis xv, Louis XVI had Duberry ousted.

Speaker A:

And I think that Marie probably thought that that was pretty awesome.

Speaker A:

Probably got a real riled up and then he was like, no, stay away.

Speaker B:

From me, my huge member.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Ah, I don't want to hurt you.

Speaker A:

Another thing that would make a young queen happy.

Speaker A:

Some castles.

Speaker A:

Yeah, let's give her some castles.

Speaker A:

Give the lady castle.

Speaker A:

Why not?

Speaker A:

Two weeks after the death of his father, Louis XVI gave Marie Petit Trianon a chateau on the property of Versailles.

Speaker A:

Just a small chateau on the measly property of Versailles.

Speaker A:

Basically it is a tent, is, it's one that like a first year boy scout makes, like just real raggedy too.

Speaker B:

He made it himself.

Speaker B:

He pitched it for her.

Speaker A:

Obviously his father had it built for one of his mistresses.

Speaker B:

Classiest thing you could do.

Speaker A:

My dad built this for one of the several women that he cheated on my mom with.

Speaker A:

And I just think it would, you would like it a lot.

Speaker A:

So.

Speaker A:

And that the other part of this gift is that Marie was given full artistic license to decorate this place however she saw fit to her heart's content.

Speaker A:

I mean, who doesn't, you know, love getting a chateau that you can redecorate, that your father in law's side piece once was given Barbie Dream House for the whole family.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

I mean, who says romance is dead?

Speaker A:

You know what I mean?

Speaker A:

But because of this, because of her getting the chateau from her husband the king.

Speaker A:

Crazy.

Speaker A:

And that he was like, go ahead, decorate it.

Speaker A:

Take all the couches out that my dad banged this lady on.

Speaker A:

Oh, redecorate the entire thing because I love you.

Speaker A:

She's like, yeah, this place is gross and it smells weird.

Speaker A:

Redecorates it.

Speaker A:

And then everybody in France was like, this freaking lady, dude.

Speaker A:

She just needs everything to be so fancy.

Speaker A:

You couldn't just take the chateau, you had to redecorate it.

Speaker A:

So this is like the first instance of like, why does this lady like spending so much money even though she was just told to?

Speaker A:

And it's pretty crazy.

Speaker A:

And you know, these were just rumors, but a lot of people were like, I bet she, I, I heard that she completely demolished Versailles and had everybody build it with golden bricks and stuff herself.

Speaker A:

She did it all.

Speaker A:

And you know, she did indulge in a life of opulence and luxury and may or may not have been oblivious to the severe financial crisis and widespread suffering plaguing the nation.

Speaker A:

Who doesn't?

Speaker A:

But hey, she's just, literally just a girl, you know, so I'm just a girl.

Speaker A:

And like, just a girl.

Speaker B:

You have to wonder to what degree she was brought into.

Speaker B:

Like, did she even know about those things?

Speaker B:

Yeah, you know, she was, she was cultivated from a very young age to kind of just be something to marry.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

And then, you know, she got her, she got a little, little life sized Barbie Dreamhouse and got told to go play dress up.

Speaker B:

And she did.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

I was like, what else is her life for, really?

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Well, and then the other part of it, it's like, okay, I have to school myself to be a great wife to a king.

Speaker A:

Am I going to learn about the things that look, make the king look bad?

Speaker A:

Am I going to, like, is her mom going to be like, make sure she knows about the suffering of the French people?

Speaker A:

Like, make sure she knows about all of this?

Speaker A:

Like, that seems like something that would be so far removed from her wheelhouse of things that she needs to know at this point.

Speaker A:

You know what I mean?

Speaker B:

Her job was to, her job was to entertain the nobility.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

And she's not going to do that by talking, talking depressing, shitty politics.

Speaker A:

Yes.

Speaker A:

Oh, yes, it's the Duke of Canterbury.

Speaker A:

Well, you might be interested to know that our People hate us and are starving and eating rodents in the street.

Speaker A:

Welcome.

Speaker B:

That's classic tea time conversation.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Like, I don't know, it feels weird that people would go, yeah, this lady just hated poor people.

Speaker A:

Like, I just think that she was blissfully unaware about the severity of some of the things.

Speaker A:

Like, I'm sure she had a passing understanding of it, but I don't know.

Speaker A:

There was also her pretty extravagant wardrobe that began to be unfurled.

Speaker A:

Renowned designer Rose Bertin was one of the main, what, I don't know what you would call it, she was, she was a designer and made a lot of her outfits.

Speaker A:

She made these crazy elaborate dresses and then the very super fun hairstyles.

Speaker A:

These towering, yeah, Bridgerton, you know, Marge Simpson, you know, it's just feather plumes and things of like from far away lands and yeah, super cheap looking, obviously.

Speaker A:

Despite the economic turmoil gripping the country, Marie Antoinette and her court defiantly embraced English fashion trends.

Speaker A:

How dare you.

Speaker A:

Incorporating different materials like Indian Percal, Purcell and muslin.

Speaker A:

it was banned in France until:

Speaker A:

So like this is like an added layer of like I don't care, like according to the common people or like.

Speaker B:

Like importing Argentinian beef.

Speaker A:

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker B:

What?

Speaker A:

That's crazy.

Speaker A:

Anyway, as:

Speaker A:

Riots erupted due to soaring prices of flour and bread.

Speaker A:

And Marie Antoinette as the focal point in blame for the economic distress.

Speaker A:

You know, because it's, oh, she's 19 at this point and she ruined.

Speaker A:

Or no, I guess she's 21 at this.

Speaker A:

She ruined the economy even though she's been here for like three years.

Speaker B:

Listen, every single Louis before this has been such a good steward of French money.

Speaker A:

Yep.

Speaker A:

It wasn't until this Austrian Jezebel shows up.

Speaker B:

Yep, painted sloot.

Speaker A:

That's right.

Speaker A:

Her once glamorous reputation was now on the downturn.

Speaker A:

The public perception not in her favor.

Speaker A:

Criticism surged against the Queen for perceived fiscal irresponsibilities.

Speaker A:

You know, because that's her decision.

Speaker A:

Her lavish expenditures starkly contrasted with the nation's financial struggles.

Speaker A:

Her own mother, to their credit, did express concern over Marie Antoinette's spending habits for seeing the potential for civil unrest.

Speaker A:

Like, hey, maybe don't have a four foot tall hairpiece.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

I, I, I know just a girl.

Speaker A:

I get it.

Speaker A:

But like, also, public perception of the royal family was slipping.

Speaker A:

But it got a little bit of a bump.

Speaker A:

A little, little bit of a baby bump.

Speaker A:

Their first child was born, which is pretty cool.

Speaker A:

December 19, 70 78, as mentioned, because her brother came and helped fixed it.

Speaker A:

You're welcome.

Speaker A:

Also, like, out of context, the brother visited, and then the next year she had a baby.

Speaker B:

Yeah, we're not.

Speaker B:

We're not looking too closely at that.

Speaker A:

Granted, it's December:

Speaker A:

In:

Speaker A:

So the math doesn't math, but it's.

Speaker B:

Or does it?

Speaker A:

I'm sure the common people were like, yeah, I bet.

Speaker A:

I bet that's why God now not a normal birth.

Speaker A:

As per tradition, they had to have a bunch of people outside their wedding bedroom.

Speaker A:

She also had to give birth in front of a live studio audience, thanks.

Speaker B:

To the rules I would want to do.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

The what, Louis?

Speaker A:

The.

Speaker A:

Oh, boy.

Speaker A:

Louis the 14th.

Speaker A:

Yeah, there we go.

Speaker A:

Roman numerals.

Speaker A:

This was a rule he instituted to confirm no imposter children were snuck in, which I.

Speaker A:

That's.

Speaker A:

I just feel like we need to know more about that story.

Speaker B:

What went on to where he was.

Speaker A:

Like, from now on, he sees somebody, like, entering the room with a baby, and the wife hasn't given birthday.

Speaker A:

Hold on.

Speaker A:

Wait a minute.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Poor Marie.

Speaker A:

She labored for 12 hours, even fainted during.

Speaker A:

During the birth.

Speaker A:

She fainted, and people were like, man, she died getting older.

Speaker A:

But, oh, no, she woke up and everybody's like, ah, okay.

Speaker A:

And then she was, oh, yes, I have a baby now.

Speaker A:

Her little baby daughter.

Speaker A:

And she declared to her child, she said, you shall be mine.

Speaker A:

You shall have my undivided care, shall share all my happiness and console me in my troubles.

Speaker A:

Which is very adorable.

Speaker A:

Yep.

Speaker B:

And then she handed her right off to a wet nurse.

Speaker A:

Yep.

Speaker A:

And I will see you when you're 10.

Speaker A:

No, but this child was a source of some scandal.

Speaker A:

Without an offspring for eight years and then one finally appearing.

Speaker A:

Understandable that the people would be a little bit curious, but also, like, just let her have the baby, dude.

Speaker B:

Like, no, can't.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

The next year, Marie Antoinette compounded the hesitancy of accepting her as their queen with an insistence on France entering into different political dealings that supported missions for Austria more than France.

Speaker A:

Oh, my God.

Speaker A:

Why do you care about your home country so much?

Speaker A:

Lady, let it go.

Speaker A:

You're French.

Speaker B:

Look.

Speaker A:

Marie was also insisted on Louis XVI involving France in the American Revolution.

Speaker A:

So full circle.

Speaker A:

George Washington came back around.

Speaker A:

That's.

Speaker A:

That's good storytelling, if I do say so myself.

Speaker A:

1779, Marie Antoinette became pregnant again.

Speaker A:

Nice.

Speaker A:

But it did end in a miscarriage.

Speaker A:

I probably should have read that Second line faster.

Speaker B:

I should have led with that.

Speaker A:

Whoops.

Speaker A:

n become pregnant in March of:

Speaker A:

Rumors began to swirl about her newfound fertility, which is not fair.

Speaker A:

Like, she's not catching a break.

Speaker A:

It's her fault that she's now getting pregnant.

Speaker A:

It was her fault that she wasn't pregnant before, of course.

Speaker A:

And it's her fault that she has babies now.

Speaker A:

Pick a lane, lady.

Speaker A:

Have a baby or don't.

Speaker A:

Essentially, they're like, yeah, she's cheating on him is the move.

Speaker A:

Which.

Speaker A:

Not cool, but you know, she's.

Speaker A:

She's pregnant.

Speaker A:

Bad news, though.

Speaker A:

,:

Speaker A:

,:

Speaker A:

Luckily, fewer people were there to watch this time, which is cool.

Speaker A:

Her husband, weirdly enough, Louis xvi had a little bit of a perception check and was like, ah, she did not like that at all.

Speaker A:

Maybe, maybe we don't do that.

Speaker B:

I thought, yeah.

Speaker A:

So anyway, she had grown her own little inner circle over the course of her motherhood, adding people to her confidence that were more in tune with her personality.

Speaker A:

Versus the court assigned people that are your friends now, which is good.

Speaker A:

It could also be bad, I suppose.

Speaker A:

But one of these people was Count of Ferzan.

Speaker A:

Axel von Ferzen.

Speaker A:

Axel.

Speaker B:

Fancy, fancy ass name for the seven.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

He had just returned from America.

Speaker A:

He assisted Rochambeau against the British in the colonies.

Speaker A:

Rochambeau, famous for his contribution to the game of rock, paper, scissors.

Speaker A:

Obviously.

Speaker A:

No, I don't know.

Speaker A:

For Zen also was one that many suspected was having an affair with his.

Speaker A:

You know, whatever.

Speaker A:

Of course you have a dude friend who's a war hero.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Nation.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

And, you know, up until a few years ago our time, these rumors were kind of just rumors.

Speaker A:

But some recent science, science, this tricky thing, has found there's some hidden messages beneath some of the writings and some of the letters to him.

Speaker B:

I didn't know this.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

So spicy.

Speaker A:

Essentially, she like.

Speaker A:

Yeah, she drew her own nudes in the letters.

Speaker A:

So there's like a squiggled out section in some of these letters.

Speaker A:

And people are like, what does that say?

Speaker A:

And with some X ray technology, able to figure out some of the things.

Speaker A:

And some of the decoded messages had the Count espousing his love for the Queen, to which she replied that quote, my heart is all yours and I love you madly.

Speaker A:

Oh.

Speaker A:

Oh, Shantay.

Speaker A:

Yeah, pretty steamy.

Speaker A:

So they also use code names and invisible ink in some of them, which is pretty crazy.

Speaker B:

That's not nothing.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I mean that seems like a lot of effort to hide some stuff.

Speaker A:

Also invisible ink.

Speaker A:

Back in the day, I did not think that that was.

Speaker A:

For some reason, I thought that was like a cold war only thing, but pretty fun.

Speaker B:

What.

Speaker B:

What was it?

Speaker B:

Do we know what it was?

Speaker B:

Probably not.

Speaker B:

No.

Speaker A:

I did pull the article up because I was curious about it because I didn't remember this part, but.

Speaker B:

Was it lemon juice?

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

It doesn't say.

Speaker A:

I.

Speaker A:

It probably does, but I can't scan fast enough.

Speaker A:

Make it worthwhile.

Speaker A:

They're just talking about these steamy, steamy letters, man.

Speaker A:

No, I don't know.

Speaker A:

All right, well, we tried.

Speaker B:

So what you're saying is she was a cheating Austrian Jezebel?

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

The French throne might have been compromised hundreds of years ago.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I mean it certainly looks that way.

Speaker A:

And I'm not condoning what she did, but also again, have you seen Louis xvi?

Speaker B:

Also her.

Speaker B:

Her.

Speaker B:

Her father in law, like it was standard practice for kings to cheat.

Speaker B:

Let's just put it that way.

Speaker A:

Yeah, but she does it now.

Speaker A:

It's all too much.

Speaker A:

Whatever, dude.

Speaker A:

Or they call that.

Speaker A:

There's a word for it double standard.

Speaker A:

Nailed it.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Okay, so maybe it was obvious to the public at the time, maybe not.

Speaker A:

But there was.

Speaker A:

This is also a point where some propaganda was circulating about said queen and pretty much anybody were pamphlets in the streets about her many philandering ways of.

Speaker A:

Of all the things and all the people.

Speaker A:

Which is kind of crazy that like just anybody they were deciding that she was hooking up with.

Speaker A:

I mean, makes sense.

Speaker A:

Why wouldn't you?

Speaker A:

Sometimes it was her and any men of the royal court, but also they would throw some women in there because women are allowed to like women back in.

Speaker A:

Back in the day in France, apparently.

Speaker A:

No, it was probably more to the.

Speaker B:

Tune of how depraved.

Speaker A:

How depraved.

Speaker A:

Exactly.

Speaker A:

So pretty crazy.

Speaker A:

Part of the weird Austrian hate for this lady as well.

Speaker A:

They had derogatory term which they refer to any homosexual acts as German vice.

Speaker A:

So basically it's like multi layered.

Speaker A:

Multi layered burn.

Speaker B:

Very complex.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

And she has another child though, second son, Louis Charles.

Speaker A:

This is in March of:

Speaker A:

And also questionable moment because this her boo thing.

Speaker A:

Count Ferzen, he had returned nine months prior to.

Speaker A:

Could it be being subtle about it?

Speaker A:

Now this conflicted with the fact that the king and queen had spent a lot of time together exactly when conception would have occurred.

Speaker A:

But, you know, that's not gonna let pesky things like facts get in the way of my hatred of this Austrian Jezebel.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So more pamphlets of her sexuality and escapades continued becoming more and more egregious as time went on, stating that she held orgies at Versailles, which in the gardens, no less.

Speaker A:

But also, what else are you supposed to do there?

Speaker A:

If that place isn't for orgies, I don't know what is, you know, definitely built for orgies.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

The rumors also continued with her spending habits, although we know those to be a little more true.

Speaker A:

Hard to say you're frugal with money when you have a model ship displayed in your hair for a party.

Speaker A:

No.

Speaker A:

Yeah, Continue.

Speaker A:

Spending on dresses, parties and everything of the like was put squarely on her shoulders.

Speaker A:

It wasn't the fact that we were hosting so many parties that she needed to buy all these dresses for.

Speaker A:

It was the fact that she was buying dresses at all, which is, you know, not fair either.

Speaker A:

But again, the spending was sometimes accurate.

Speaker A:

She's a little egregious in some of her outfits and a little exaggerated, but, you know, it's just another thing to go, we hate you, lady.

Speaker A:

We really, really hate you.

Speaker A:

And then the one thing that really put her in the targets of many, the final straw for the lot of, or for a lot of the boiling over common people of France was the diamond necklace scandal.

Speaker A:

The diamond necklace scandal was this big part in the 18th century where basically she had this extravagant diamond necklace that was commissioned by jewelers Charles Bomer and Paul Bessage on behalf of Louis the 15th for his mistress, Madame du Barry.

Speaker A:

Remember her?

Speaker B:

Every time.

Speaker A:

However, he died, obviously before he could purchase the necklace.

Speaker A:

And then Louis xvi, he was like, nah, that's a little too rich for my taste.

Speaker A:

Which is kind of crazy for him to say that.

Speaker A:

But we meet this character, Jean de la Motte, a charismatic and scheming adventurous.

Speaker A:

She convinced Cardinal de Rohan, a clergyman with a notorious reputation, that she had the queen's favor and could facilitate the purchase of the necklace.

Speaker A:

In reality, Marie Antoinette had nothing to do with the transaction, and the cardinal was basically being schemed against, which is, he's just a victim.

Speaker A:

In:

Speaker A:

And to finance the purchase, Lamont engaged in a complex series of fraudulent transactions, convincing the jeweler to hand the necklace to a fake messenger who was then never paid.

Speaker A:

And then the necklace disappeared and the jewelers demanded payment from the cardinal.

Speaker A:

The cardinal and this thing just blew up.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

It became public leading to a trial known as the affair of the diamond necklace.

Speaker A:

Court proceedings were highly publicized and revealed the the extent of deception and manipulation involved in the cardinal, along with Jean de la Motte and her accomplices were arrested and tried.

Speaker A:

Marie Antoinette, although completely innocent in the affair, became the target of public outrage and further damaged her already tarnished reputation by just existing.

Speaker A:

Pretty fun.

Speaker A:

We know you didn't have anything to do with that and we know we arrested everybody that had anything to do with it.

Speaker A:

But you know what?

Speaker A:

You did it somehow.

Speaker B:

This is your fault, you Austrian jezebel.

Speaker A:

I can't prove it, but that doesn't matter.

Speaker A:

This scandal added to the growing discontent against the monarchy and very much the anti aristocratic sentiments that would cascade into the French Revolution.

Speaker A:

Heard of it now?

Speaker A:

In:

Speaker A:

She gave birth to the son and then her daughter Sophie.

Speaker A:

The next year Sophie would be her last child and she would pass in infancy, only living 11 months.

Speaker A:

Sad.

Speaker A:

Also lucky for her she missed some pretty brutal stuff.

Speaker A:

So I don't know.

Speaker A:

This was compounded in:

Speaker A:

He had had about with tuberculosis going on so rough, rough year or two for her.

Speaker A:

Things would.

Speaker A:

Yeah, it's also just going to continue to spiral out of control.

Speaker A:

So that's, you know, that's fun.

Speaker A:

Amidst the deterioration.

Speaker A:

That's a crazy word.

Speaker A:

Amidst the deterioration.

Speaker A:

There we go.

Speaker A:

Nailed it.

Speaker A:

Of Francis financial situation, King Louis XVI sought guidance from his wife, who as you know, is very good with money.

Speaker A:

She was actually, she had gained quite a bit of political influence and so he was like, all right, what do we do?

Speaker A:

And she attempted to mediate tensions between the assembly and the King.

Speaker A:

Feel like that's probably not the move because everybody hates you, lady, but I get it, you want to help also.

Speaker B:

Talk about the blind leading the blind, right?

Speaker A:

Oh, Louie, I think we can get through this financial crisis.

Speaker A:

Somebody get me my gold trench coat.

Speaker B:

We pay so much attention to what Marie's got going on.

Speaker B:

But if this guy, like if when the chips are down, his answer is to go to his completely oblivious wife and be like, fix it.

Speaker A:

She's like not even paying attention to anything.

Speaker A:

She's like looking out of a window.

Speaker B:

She's petting one of her gold sheep.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

She's like, ah, yes.

Speaker A:

And he's like, marie, are you listening?

Speaker A:

She's like, what?

Speaker A:

I need you over here.

Speaker A:

Oh, yes.

Speaker A:

Okay.

Speaker A:

Right away.

Speaker A:

And she like hurries over and then it's just like an angry bob.

Speaker A:

She's like, what?

Speaker B:

Wait, what are we doing come from?

Speaker A:

Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker A:

Also like, this is:

Speaker A:

And you know, hasn't been in a royal family for like very long because, you know, she got married off at 14.

Speaker A:

What?

Speaker A:

No, 16.

Speaker A:

And doesn't know anything about this kind of thing.

Speaker A:

So I would maybe lean on a trusted advisor who knows some stuff.

Speaker B:

But yeah, like, surely there was a better.

Speaker B:

There had to have been somebody better around.

Speaker A:

It's her fault for not knowing stuff, but not his fault for trusting her to be the mediator in this situation.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker B:

With zero prep.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So.

Speaker A:

Despite attempts to cut back some of the royal expense, some of the minor royal expenses, the financial crisis persisted, I guess, and the convening of the assembly of Notables.

Speaker A:

This led to the convening of the assembly of notables.

Speaker A:

After 160 year hiatus, the assembly failed to enact reforms and accusations arose that the Queen was undermining its purpose.

Speaker A:

All right.

Speaker A:

Archbishop Brienne, a political ally of Marie Antoinette, replaced the dismissed Finance Minister Cologne, but failed to improve the financial situation.

Speaker A:

,:

Speaker A:

Publicly dubbed Madame Deficit, which is rude, Marie Antoinette faced criticism for her perceived role in the financial troubles effort.

Speaker A:

Efforts to portray the Queen as caring mother through propaganda.

Speaker A:

Propaganda aimed to improve her image.

Speaker A:

But there was more slander out there than there was positive things.

Speaker A:

The Estates General was called three estates representing clergy, nobility and commoners.

Speaker A:

The Third Estate was that of, you know, the common people.

Speaker A:

from taxes and only comprised:

Speaker A:

And the third estate, almost 28 million taxpayers.

Speaker A:

You know, the farmers, peasants, all these workers who grew more and more angry as things progressed.

Speaker A:

es General convened In May of:

Speaker A:

And then the death of the Dolphin in June went unnoticed.

Speaker A:

Which is sad.

Speaker A:

They're like, yeah, we don't care, dude, the Prince is dead.

Speaker A:

Nobody cares.

Speaker A:

In the throws of June:

Speaker A:

Faced with the closure of their designated meeting place, they defiantly gathered at the Tennis Court of Versailles.

Speaker A:

I can't believe they have a tennis Court there.

Speaker B:

Around.

Speaker A:

I can't believe they were able to fit a tennis court in that.

Speaker A:

Such a small, humble slab of land.

Speaker A:

You know, very humble.

Speaker A:

Quaint.

Speaker A:

Some would say it was surely the only tennis court.

Speaker A:

Also, collectively, it was the tennis court oath that was sworn and it shared a goal of crafting a constitution.

Speaker A:

And then July came, and the dismissal of.

Speaker A:

I don't know who this person is.

Speaker A:

Of Necker N E C K E R at the behest of Marie Antoinette, fueled discontent in Paris, sparking riots that crescendoed into the storming of the Bastille.

Speaker A:

Bastille Day, July 14th.

Speaker A:

That's right.

Speaker A:

Celebrated every year in France.

Speaker A:

Pretty exciting.

Speaker A:

Pretty exciting stuff.

Speaker A:

It's usually good when a moment in the timeline comes across and it's still celebrated.

Speaker A:

That's usually a good sign.

Speaker A:

The specter of political unrest prompted members of the aristocracy to embark on a wave of immigration, which is code for we gotta get.

Speaker A:

Yeah, gotta get.

Speaker A:

What I get is good.

Speaker A:

And they were motivated by potential assassination.

Speaker A:

Nothing crazy.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

What are you gonna do?

Speaker A:

The National Constituent assembly took decisive action in August of that same year, abolishing feudal privileges and thereby laying the foundation for the constitutional monarchy with the help of former ambassador to France, Thomas Jefferson.

Speaker B:

Yeah, these Americans.

Speaker A:

Yeah, we're just all over the place.

Speaker A:

And the American revolutionary Marquis de Lafayette, which is.

Speaker A:

Yeah, from Hamilton.

Speaker B:

And From Hamilton.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I know he's in here, but he's mainly from Hamilton, so.

Speaker A:

However, this.

Speaker A:

This did not really help things.

Speaker A:

This is still kind of.

Speaker A:

People are still kind of mad.

Speaker A:

And by October, the Parisian crowd descended upon Versailles, coercing the royal family's relocation to the Tulare.

Speaker A:

Tuilery palace in Paris.

Speaker A:

Man, a little alliteration there.

Speaker A:

And I gotta imagine this is probably another pretty small, minuscule place for them to live.

Speaker A:

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker A:

This is a studio.

Speaker A:

They lived under house arrest here.

Speaker A:

Essentially, they were observed by Lafayette's vigilant Guard Nationale.

Speaker A:

National Guard, AKA Lafayette, assumed guardianship as commander in chief of the National Guard for the royal family, despite a mutual.

Speaker A:

What is this word?

Speaker A:

It's like apathy, but anti.

Speaker A:

Anti.

Speaker A:

Pathy.

Speaker B:

Antipathy.

Speaker A:

Antipathy.

Speaker A:

That's probably it.

Speaker A:

Between Lafayette and the Queen.

Speaker A:

Their collaborator or their collaboration was facilitated by the efforts of Paris's mayor, John Sylvian.

Speaker A:

By Bailey.

Speaker A:

Now we're gonna go with Bailey.

Speaker A:

It's.

Speaker A:

My tongue's tired.

Speaker A:

Despite Marie Antoinette words.

Speaker A:

I know, it's just too much.

Speaker A:

Despite Marie Antoinette's deliberate attempts to remain discreet and out of the public eye, scandalous publications continued to Spread false information about her.

Speaker B:

Who else are you going to write about?

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Royal family was all but excluded from prayer Paris proper.

Speaker A:

Finding life easier in a remote chateau away from the dagger filled eyes of the public.

Speaker A:

This is a little baby chateau.

Speaker A:

From their secret base, Marie forged some political alliances trying to save the monarchy.

Speaker A:

Which is hilarious that she's like, we can fix this, guys.

Speaker B:

And to her.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I got it.

Speaker A:

It's cool.

Speaker A:

From:

Speaker A:

The Count of Marabo was one of these allies.

Speaker A:

They agreed on terms and he would be paid should he be able to convince the people to let the king assume power once again.

Speaker A:

NBD Some of the events were held where the royal family attended.

Speaker A:

And the King was even cheered for so good signs.

Speaker A:

As was the new dolphin when shown to the crowd by Marie.

Speaker A:

Look, I got a baby prince.

Speaker A:

I know the other one died and nobody cared, but we got a new one.

Speaker A:

He's not even new.

Speaker A:

He was still technically there, but which is, you know, it contrasted with the following March when the royals attempted to attend Easter mass, which were.

Speaker A:

They were prevented by a growing crowd and even some of the National Guard that was there to protect both sides.

Speaker B:

They were like, no.

Speaker A:

No resurrection for you.

Speaker A:

Be gone, Austrian Jezebel.

Speaker A:

So now the family is in flight mode there.

Speaker A:

We got to get out of here.

Speaker A:

,:

Speaker A:

The Queen, her children and the Queen.

Speaker A:

Or and the King, the Queen, the children and the other queen.

Speaker B:

Rumors are true.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

They dressed as commoners and a carriage awaited them which would rush them to freedom.

Speaker A:

The carriage was even driven by the affair having Count Ferzen.

Speaker A:

So honestly, that's probably who you want to be driving it though.

Speaker A:

Like he's gonna.

Speaker A:

He's gonna drive the hell out of that thing.

Speaker B:

Those are his kids.

Speaker A:

We gotta get my.

Speaker A:

Your children to safety.

Speaker A:

They did not make it very far and they were arrested.

Speaker A:

Which makes me believe that their commoner outfits might not have been super authentic.

Speaker B:

It feels like you got like an arrested development.

Speaker B:

Like how much could a banana cost?

Speaker B:

This is exactly what commoners wear, Right?

Speaker A:

Exactly.

Speaker A:

The main issue being that they decided to dress as commoners and then decided against Ferson's plan of using multiple smaller carriages and splitting the family up.

Speaker A:

Like, hey, you go this way.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

A lot of little known fact, but commoners don't usually use a large carriage pulled by six horses.

Speaker B:

Did it have the royal insignia on the side too?

Speaker A:

It's just like trimmed in gold and like the.

Speaker A:

The flourish is all over the Place.

Speaker B:

It's okay.

Speaker B:

We're gonna go so fast they won't notice.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

They're not even going to be able to see the insignia.

Speaker A:

It's fine.

Speaker A:

Even if they had gotten away, though, like, they were working their way to a fortified citadel run by royalists, which, you know, could they have continued to hide and escape and keep hiding?

Speaker A:

I doubt it.

Speaker A:

I mean, maybe they could have.

Speaker A:

Maybe if they went to Austria.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

This is exactly what she wanted.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

The public was really scorned by the fact that they were trying to escape, which.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

Read the room, man.

Speaker A:

Like, you should have just let us capture you.

Speaker A:

I don't know what to.

Speaker A:

Yep.

Speaker A:

So that kind of killed any hopes that they had of making this thing out in one piece.

Speaker A:

So the family arrested.

Speaker A:

No trial yet.

Speaker A:

But pretty cool.

Speaker A:

Some of the politicians were like, we pity you.

Speaker A:

And so we will not have the trial yet.

Speaker A:

You're welcome.

Speaker B:

We'll just postpone your death.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

It's at this point where the.

Speaker A:

The.

Speaker A:

The legend slash myth, slash rumor that Marie's hair turned bright white overnight.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So this is not an isolated thing, though.

Speaker A:

The royal things were not isolated just to the royal family.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

The Holy Roman Emperor, Leopold ii, Marie's brother, not the one that came and visited him, but another one, as well as the Prussian King Frederick, signed a declaration of war against the people of France.

Speaker A:

All right, let's go.

Speaker A:

Got the in laws coming, which also probably didn't help.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Oh, cool.

Speaker A:

Prussia and the Holy Roman Emperor, they.

Speaker A:

They want to come save you.

Speaker A:

Weird.

Speaker A:

Why isn't the King of France saving you?

Speaker A:

Oh, wait.

Speaker A:

laration happened In April of:

Speaker A:

One last little romp in the hay, probably.

Speaker A:

lared war on them in April of:

Speaker A:

Complicating matters, rumors swirled, accusing Marie Antoinette of clandestine involvement in leaking military secrets to the Austrians, which further stoked fires of animosity towards her.

Speaker A:

And then the backdrop of this all is that the political landscape of France is pretty much teetering on the edge of instability.

Speaker A:

Louis XVI wielded his veto power still.

Speaker A:

But they really, like, this didn't help because now the commoners were like, guess what?

Speaker A:

You guys are Monsieur Vito and Madame Vito.

Speaker A:

And it's just another, like, way that they're like, you know what?

Speaker A:

Have your veto.

Speaker A:

We're just going to make fun of you for it.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

In the midst of this, the Queen had One of her trusted advisors, not the guy that she may or may not have been hooking up with.

Speaker A:

Barnaev is this guy's name.

Speaker A:

And he was like, trying to basically sort things out in a realistic way, but obviously did not work very well.

Speaker A:

The Legislative assembly was one that everybody within the Legislative assembly were starting to decide on who was going to be tried and all of the things.

Speaker A:

In June of:

Speaker A:

They're probably throwing stuff at them, which is crazy.

Speaker A:

Faced with this escalating sense of peril, the desperate queen, trying to survive, implored foreign powers to intervene, trying to save what she could.

Speaker A:

g else, but issued in July of:

Speaker A:

However, instead of stabilizing, this pretty much just was the catalyst for the uprising of August 10th.

Speaker A:

And this event is when a mob overran the Tuileries Palace.

Speaker A:

The royal family, including Marie Antoinette, tried to hide in the Legislative assembly or at the Legislative assembly, and then they were captured again and then thrown into harsher imprisonment within the confines of the temple.

Speaker A:

Great, great, great, great.

Speaker A:

It's all going so well.

Speaker B:

I think we can still save it.

Speaker A:

Because I think if we just say the right things, I will return those dresses, I promise.

Speaker B:

Oh, the necklace.

Speaker B:

Here it is.

Speaker A:

Here, take it and buy some cake.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Yes, cake.

Speaker A:

The brutality of the revolution also found a tragic manifestation in the fate of Princess de Lambelle, a member of the royal entourage who met a grizzly end with her head being displayed as a gruesome symbol before the grieving Queen.

Speaker A:

Hey, this is your friend in her head.

Speaker A:

Pretty rude now.

Speaker A:

She didn't actually get.

Speaker A:

They didn't show it to her.

Speaker A:

She didn't see it, but they told her about it and she was very sad about it.

Speaker A:

So which is.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

,:

Speaker A:

The symbolic stripping of the royal family's name.

Speaker A:

The stage was set for the trial of Louis xvi.

Speaker A:

Now, this trial, not very typical in terms of how we think of trials, this convention of the revolutionaries involved was the court.

Speaker A:

So kind of more like, hey, you're guilty.

Speaker A:

But we just want to do this for formality's sake.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Louis XVI accused of collusion with Prussia and Russia or and Austria, which, you know, I guess he did marry an heiress to Austria.

Speaker B:

So there was some colluding.

Speaker A:

There was colluding.

Speaker A:

He was adamant that his actions were in the best interest of France.

Speaker A:

But the revolutionaries obviously didn't see it that way.

Speaker A:

The trial began in December:

Speaker A:

And there was a vote of 693 guilty votes and then 23 abstaining.

Speaker B:

So abstaining.

Speaker A:

Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker A:

Not enough evidence here.

Speaker A:

It was 36 hours of voting, which is crazy.

Speaker A:

And then also for the decision of, like, what they the sentence is going to be.

Speaker A:

288 voted in favor of a deathless end, imprisonment or exile.

Speaker A:

Unfortunately for Louis, 361 voted for death.

Speaker B:

So that's what we were in the.

Speaker A:

Mood for at the time, cake or death.

Speaker A:

As motion for the following day for an appeal.

Speaker A:

And a new vote was taken with 310 voting for mercy this time.

Speaker A:

But now 380 voted for death.

Speaker B:

So.

Speaker A:

Got worse.

Speaker A:

The abstainers stepped in and polarized things further.

Speaker A:

Yep.

Speaker A:

,:

Speaker A:

That's right.

Speaker A:

Following his death, he was thrown into a mass grave with others who were killed while onlookers soaked rags in his blood.

Speaker A:

Weird legends also.

Speaker A:

Yeah, legends also include that his last words were cut short, literally and figuratively.

Speaker A:

A general present ordering the drum roll to signify the beginning of the process.

Speaker A:

So he started talking and then he's like.

Speaker A:

Which is pretty funny.

Speaker B:

Hated him so much, they didn't even give him last words.

Speaker B:

They were like, you shut the hell.

Speaker A:

Yeah, here's your last words.

Speaker A:

Okay, what do you like to say?

Speaker A:

Oh, what's that?

Speaker A:

Some say he also screamed afterwards, but it's very doubtful since the guillotine would have been pretty quick.

Speaker A:

And the executioner also stated that he died bravely.

Speaker A:

So now that Louis gone, the fate of the remaining family was kind of up in the air.

Speaker A:

All of the family was imprisoned at this point.

Speaker A:

now, Louis Joseph had died in:

Speaker A:

So there's just two children with Marie Antoinette, which was Marie Therese Charlotte and Louis Charles.

Speaker A:

And they were treated about as good as you could expect.

Speaker A:

The oldest, Marie Therese Charlotte, would make it out of the revolution alive, which is kind of impressive.

Speaker A:

The rest remained in the Temple.

Speaker A:

And things were not super great.

Speaker A:

The guards would harass the family pretty regularly, taunting her with smoke and teasing her following any of the numerous failed escape attempts.

Speaker A:

You know, there's bribes given to the guards which would essentially there people were bribing the guards to give her better favor.

Speaker A:

And then other people were like, hey, we're gonna bribe you to keep that money.

Speaker A:

And also ignore.

Speaker A:

Like pretty fun after mind games.

Speaker A:

Yeah, super messed up.

Speaker A:

Like, because you're already in jail.

Speaker A:

Like, I don't know, I feel like just let me be in jail.

Speaker A:

After her husband died that his head fell off for some reason.

Speaker A:

The revolutionaries, they were like, we really don't know what to do with everybody else.

Speaker A:

We could probably exchange them with Austria and get some like, French POWs from her brother.

Speaker A:

Which makes sense.

Speaker A:

Exile also on the table.

Speaker A:

In August of:

Speaker A:

Upon being separated from her children, especially Louis Charles, she was obviously devastated.

Speaker A:

Many thought that with Louis Charles's young age, she could be retained into the being on the side of the people and also testify against his mother.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

Like, tell us that your mother spent too much money.

Speaker A:

And that plan did work.

Speaker A:

And there was also another final escape attempt and her trial was set for October 14th.

Speaker A:

And yeah, pretty much all of the accusations that that they had were presented and all of the propaganda pamphlets were submitted as evidence, which is good.

Speaker A:

Everybody knows that those are 100% fact.

Speaker A:

And people can't just make pamphlets about stuff.

Speaker B:

I have here 85 copies of the National Enquirer.

Speaker A:

So you're.

Speaker A:

What have you done with Bat Boy?

Speaker A:

Everybody wants to know.

Speaker A:

Yeah, that's how you know it's bad.

Speaker A:

Like using things that are specifically fictional to bring about scorn on one spur, one person as evidence.

Speaker A:

Like, I think that doesn't happen anymore.

Speaker A:

In addition to many things those pamphlets accused her of, Marie Antoinette was also accused of stealing millions from the treasury and funneling it back to Austria, naturally being the mastermind behind the massacre that took place the year prior at the hands of the National Guard.

Speaker A:

And most disturbing is that accusers found a way to manipulate Louis Charles into accusing his mother of molesting him.

Speaker A:

Which is pretty dark.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

I feel like at this point you.

Speaker A:

You have enough evidence, like, why?

Speaker A:

Why you gotta kick it into, like the extras.

Speaker B:

Like, and we didn't even need to have a trial at all.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker B:

Like, yeah, even that you knew what.

Speaker A:

You were gonna do.

Speaker B:

That's pageantry anyway.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

And Then you, you, you basically kidnap and brainwash the kid.

Speaker B:

Yeah, like that's wild.

Speaker A:

Super wild.

Speaker A:

This, all this particular charge earned a lot of gasps from the audience, which Marie spoke to them like in the crowd, was like, you all are aware how stupid and ridiculous this world was.

Speaker A:

And most of them were like, yeah, you're right, that doesn't make sense.

Speaker B:

Theater though.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

They might have also been the only ones who were on her set, like as mothers, which is kind of crazy to me.

Speaker A:

But two days later, found guilty of the theft of the treasury, conspiracy against the state and high treason.

Speaker A:

And the latter was based in reality, since she had technically given French military secrets away to her brother before she was arrested.

Speaker A:

Because the military secrets were.

Speaker A:

That she was being arrested and they were overthrowing.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Secret, Big secret.

Speaker A:

It's a super secret.

Speaker A:

Nobody knows.

Speaker A:

,:

Speaker A:

The letter to her sister you can find online if you want to read it.

Speaker A:

It's very long and you know, I've gone on long enough, so I'm not going to read it here.

Speaker A:

But at noon again, the same day of her conviction, at noon, she was escorted to the guillotine.

Speaker A:

She wanted to dress in all black, but they made her wear a white dress, which was custom for widowed queens at the time.

Speaker A:

Time they cut her hair off, model ship and all, bound her hands behind her back and let her do her fate.

Speaker A:

We're gonna put this in a bottle.

Speaker A:

And that's how that trend started.

Speaker A:

A lot of people don't know that.

Speaker B:

Amazing.

Speaker A:

It's also a famous legend that she accidentally stepped on the executioner shoe before saying, pardon me, sir, I did not do it on purpose.

Speaker A:

Which, I mean, she didn't say it like that because she's France, but.

Speaker A:

Or she spoke French.

Speaker A:

Then shortly after, the guillotine took the 37 year old's head very quickly.

Speaker A:

She was also buried in a marked grave and a myth that Madame Tussaud took her face and made a death mask.

Speaker A:

I don't.

Speaker A:

I'm pretty sure.

Speaker A:

After I recorded the original episode, I looked it up and it was not real, but kind of fun urban legend.

Speaker A:

But anyway, she died.

Speaker A:

Not the end, though.

Speaker A:

We have the Reign of Terror with the boy Robespierre, my guy Robespierre, my guy.

Speaker A:

He continued his revolutionary actions.

Speaker A:

Now, while his mother was executed, Louis Charles was being tormented by guards because he hadn't gone through enough.

Speaker A:

They were refusing food for him, not being let out of his cell.

Speaker A:

So on 10 days before his mother was beheaded, Louis Charles met with his sister, Marie Therese Charlotte, one final time.

Speaker A:

He became ill, refused to speak ever since the day he was forced to testify against his mother.

Speaker A:

Yeah, weird.

Speaker A:

It's like trauma or something.

Speaker A:

And then he died in:

Speaker A:

With scrofula.

Speaker A:

Scrofula.

Speaker A:

I don't know what that is.

Speaker A:

I think it's like, yeah.

Speaker B:

Fever and rash situation.

Speaker A:

That makes sense.

Speaker A:

He was buried in the same unmarked grave as his family.

Speaker A:

But beforehand, the physician overseeing his autopsy actually took his heart and hid it in a bottle of distilled wine, which is, you know, normal stuff.

Speaker A:

Eventually, I don't know what.

Speaker A:

When the restoration occurred, he tried to give it to the child's uncle.

Speaker A:

Louis XVIII was not about it.

Speaker A:

He said, that's weird.

Speaker B:

That's awful.

Speaker B:

Jesus.

Speaker A:

Eventually it was tested for DNA and found to be the heart of Louis Charles, which is even crazier.

Speaker B:

Oh my.

Speaker A:

Yeah, which is.

Speaker A:

Which is really funny because there was a guy at that time claiming to be surviving this guy.

Speaker A:

They were like, this is him.

Speaker A:

And they tested that guy's DNA and they're like, that guy was wrong.

Speaker A:

He was not so.

Speaker B:

And he said, oh, my mistake.

Speaker A:

Well, no, he was dead at that point because it was DNA testing.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker B:

So he came back and said that.

Speaker A:

It was, ah, I was just cheating.

Speaker A:

That was just a joke.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

The only person to escape the revolution intact, physically, anyway, from this was the eldest daughter, Marie Therese Charlotte.

Speaker A:

entire family until August of:

Speaker A:

1975.

Speaker A:

Amen.

Speaker A:

We forgot to tell you, like, three years later, she's like, that's.

Speaker A:

That's crazy.

Speaker A:

Two months following the death of her brother that had died of the scrofula Insider room, one of the most human and depressing notes was found scratched in the wall.

Speaker A:

It said, quote, marie Therese Charlotte is the most unhappy person in the world.

Speaker A:

She can obtain no news of her mother nor be reunited to her, though she has asked a thousand times.

Speaker A:

Live, my good mother, whom I love well, but of whom I can hear no tidings.

Speaker A:

O my father, watch over me from heaven above.

Speaker A:

O God, forgive those who have made my parents suffer.

Speaker A:

So a little bit of an angsty teenage stretch.

Speaker A:

The most unhappy person.

Speaker A:

Okay, we get it, dude.

Speaker B:

Everybody else has had this happen to them too.

Speaker A:

Okay, we get it.

Speaker A:

Turn off the Green Day.

Speaker A:

I don't know what the kids are listening to anyway.

Speaker B:

Sabrina Carpenter.

Speaker A:

Let's be honest.

Speaker A:

It was probably Evanescence.

Speaker A:

So eventually the teenager was released and transferred to Vienna in exchange for.

Speaker A:

In an exchange not dissimilar to that proposed for her mother a few years prior.

Speaker A:

You know, the prisoner exchange.

Speaker A:

She had just turned 17 and was free and would live to be 72, which is crazy.

Speaker A:

She lived to be older than her mother, obviously her grandmother and her grandfather on her mother's side, so way to go.

Speaker A:

That's.

Speaker A:

That's breaking generational trauma.

Speaker A:

,:

Speaker A:

Which is crazy, man.

Speaker A:

58 years after that, and 55 of it, she knew that her family was dead.

Speaker A:

Like, only 50.

Speaker B:

That really is kind of the craziest part of the story for me, right?

Speaker B:

That like, they.

Speaker B:

They separated her and refused to tell her anything about it.

Speaker B:

For what.

Speaker B:

For what purpose?

Speaker A:

Yeah, like, I get it, you think that the Queen was like, responsible for all of the bad things that's ever happened to the French common people, including, but not limited to the Black Plague.

Speaker A:

But what did this teenager do?

Speaker B:

Yeah, what could she do after that?

Speaker A:

Yeah, like she has no royal connect.

Speaker A:

Like she can't do anything.

Speaker A:

Leave her alone.

Speaker A:

Let her go back to Austria, I don't know.

Speaker B:

Or at the very least just tell her that her mom's dead.

Speaker A:

Hey, we killed her.

Speaker B:

Just keeping her in the dark about that.

Speaker B:

Seems like it was like an intentional torture, you know?

Speaker A:

Oh, for sure.

Speaker A:

Yeah, they.

Speaker A:

They knew again.

Speaker B:

Or maybe not.

Speaker A:

I have to imagine she probably asked a lot and they were like, she really wants to know.

Speaker A:

Guess we better not tell her.

Speaker B:

Exactly.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So, you know, after the revolution, it was pretty much peaceful forever in France.

Speaker A:

After that, nothing bad ever happened again.

Speaker B:

Yeah, Robespierre did it.

Speaker B:

He fixed it.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

No guy with a big funny hat ever did anything.

Speaker A:

Obviously.

Speaker A:

If you want to know more about that, you can listen to the Napoleon episode, but yeah, Marie Antoinette, she.

Speaker A:

She did the thing.

Speaker A:

Now we.

Speaker A:

You made a mention about cakes earlier, and you know, there's a lot of people that point to her tone deafness and lack of just sensibility in terms of what the common people are going through.

Speaker A:

And there's the famous let them eat cake thing.

Speaker A:

Turns out she never actually said that.

Speaker B:

No, no, she never did.

Speaker A:

Yeah, it's actually.

Speaker A:

Well, and also like, it was not a thing where she didn't say that because she spoke French.

Speaker A:

You know, it's.

Speaker A:

She actually never uttered anything like that is actually a different Marie and a hundred years before crazy.

Speaker B:

They're all the Same.

Speaker B:

The Marie's.

Speaker A:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A:

I mean, yeah, it was attributed to this other one when Marie Antoinette would have been 10.

Speaker A:

pher Jean Jacques Rousseau in:

Speaker A:

So, you know, not our gal.

Speaker A:

But most historians do agree that she was a little too sensible to say something so out of touch.

Speaker A:

Like, she definitely had some common, like, I don't know, common sense in terms of like, what a good normal thing to say and do would be.

Speaker A:

And even like towards the end of her life, she's like trying to negotiate peace and stuff.

Speaker A:

Like, I don't.

Speaker A:

This is not the same person.

Speaker A:

There's no way.

Speaker A:

I definitely think the letter to her sister while she was in prison is something worth looking into because you can definitely tell that she's got like a actual heart and it's not just filled with, you know, strumpets and extravagant outfits and things, you know.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

That she.

Speaker B:

You can see that at the end where she's like trying to fix things but doesn't have the tools to fix them because it was place in the first place.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker B:

It's so clear that she was told.

Speaker B:

She was told to.

Speaker B:

To stand still and look pretty.

Speaker B:

Yeah, sort of.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker B:

And so that's what she did because that was her job.

Speaker A:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A:

And then they're like mad at her for it, which is.

Speaker A:

It's funny because like, obviously there's a huge disconnect between the monarchy and the common people.

Speaker A:

And the common people don't really even have a full understanding of what the monarchy was like, what the people do.

Speaker A:

Like, they clearly didn't understand how the powers worked.

Speaker A:

And so it's easy for them to just go, well, this lady comes in and we're seeing in the pamphlets scattered across the street that are definitely 100% fact that she's spending all of the money and, you know, buying all these clothes and doing all this crazy stuff and sending money to Austria and having orgies in the gardens and stuff.

Speaker A:

Like, that's a crime, but whatever.

Speaker A:

Like, nobody else could be at fault for any of that.

Speaker A:

Like, nobody.

Speaker A:

Again, like, what I said is, why is she buying so many gowns for so many parties?

Speaker A:

Like, why are there so many parties?

Speaker A:

Like, she's not organizing these things.

Speaker A:

Like, this is a collective effort from a lot of the nobles that are like, let's.

Speaker A:

Let's throw a big bash.

Speaker A:

Why not?

Speaker A:

And then she has to play the part of like, hey, be the entertainment for these people while I go do king stuff and.

Speaker A:

Right, right, Fine.

Speaker A:

Tighter pants, I guess, for my huge.

Speaker A:

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker A:

Which, you know, what.

Speaker A:

What.

Speaker A:

What year did she lose her head?

Speaker A:

What was it?

Speaker A:

93.

Speaker A:

So she was almost 40, which is crazy to me, like, because we.

Speaker A:

We think about this, and a lot of people think about Marie Antoinette as this, you know, this queen who had, like, just no care in the world for all of these people.

Speaker A:

And then you gotta, like, remember she was also basically a child for most of it.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Like, she was not 40 when she was.

Speaker A:

Or she was 40 when she was killed, or 39, I guess.

Speaker A:

But they had been on the run for how many years up at that point?

Speaker A:

And, like, you know, she's thrown into this situation at 16, wasn't doing her homework before she got married off.

Speaker A:

Literally just a girl, and she's doing her best.

Speaker B:

And also just entered into this house of rules.

Speaker A:

It just.

Speaker B:

Yeah, the number.

Speaker B:

The number of times that the people whose job it was convened to try to fix things, and they're like, we don't.

Speaker B:

We don't know how to stop building Versailles.

Speaker B:

We don't know how.

Speaker A:

Yeah, we literally can't stop building this building.

Speaker A:

It keeps getting built.

Speaker A:

And, you know, I mean, what are you gonna do?

Speaker A:

Not build the building?

Speaker A:

It's, you know, she.

Speaker A:

They called her Madame Deficit, which is like, okay, yeah, she's in charge of the debt that was already there before.

Speaker A:

Like, her husband's father was taking loans out to try and balance the budget.

Speaker A:

And it's her fault somehow.

Speaker A:

Like, I don't understand that.

Speaker A:

And then you got.

Speaker B:

Go ahead.

Speaker A:

I was just gonna say.

Speaker A:

And then the whole diamond scandal thing, it's like.

Speaker A:

Yeah, she's not even.

Speaker A:

She didn't even know what was happening.

Speaker B:

The.

Speaker B:

What diamonds?

Speaker B:

Yeah, that was it.

Speaker A:

See, she doesn't even care about the diamonds.

Speaker B:

That's how you can't.

Speaker B:

You can't.

Speaker B:

You can't win.

Speaker B:

What I was gonna say was that if she.

Speaker B:

You know, if she would have taken charge of things and tried to be an effective leader, which, anyway, she wouldn't have anyway, because that wasn't a woman's role.

Speaker B:

But if she would have.

Speaker A:

She's trying to take all the power.

Speaker B:

That's what they would have said then.

Speaker B:

Like, she couldn't.

Speaker B:

She couldn't win.

Speaker B:

She was.

Speaker B:

Yeah, she was the symbol of the monarchy's decadence.

Speaker B:

Yeah, they were.

Speaker B:

They were gonna find something wrong with everything she did.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Because you can't be mad at the king of France because he's French, but it's really easy to go, hey, this lady who just came in fresh off.

Speaker B:

The boat, that Austrian Jezebel An Austrian.

Speaker A:

Jezebel ruining our country.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So what you got, like, a final take on.

Speaker A:

On the lady and her life?

Speaker A:

How are you feeling?

Speaker B:

She really got dealt a bad hand.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

I mean, you.

Speaker B:

You can make an argument that she.

Speaker B:

She could have seen the writing on the wall sooner, I guess, maybe.

Speaker B:

But on the other hand, what other options did she have?

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

You know, like, she couldn't.

Speaker B:

She couldn't stop throwing those opulent balls and doing those things because that was the.

Speaker B:

That was the standard, not just in France, but in all of Europe.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Literally.

Speaker A:

That's how they.

Speaker A:

That's how they entertained their foreign diplomat guests that were, like, coming to visit.

Speaker A:

Yes, it is crazy.

Speaker A:

And yes, they were spending too much money, but that's also, like, what they all did.

Speaker B:

And they were like, they were trying to.

Speaker B:

For, like, we talked about how there's a lot of war and, like, large scale political instability in all of Europe at the time.

Speaker B:

Like, you can't.

Speaker B:

You can't present a weak face to those people who you're trying to entertain.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

And especially if it's like, people that you might have been at war with not that long ago or whatever.

Speaker A:

Yeah, it's.

Speaker A:

I mean, it's definitely interesting to think about the royal, like, that, like, that time period and how they handled things, because, like, on one hand, they are just kind of like a symbol of the country, but also they do impact a lot of things by just, like, talking to these other really powerful people.

Speaker A:

And it's kind of weird to think about.

Speaker A:

And also, like, we don't have any kind of dignitaries like that anymore.

Speaker A:

Like, the.

Speaker A:

Obviously England still has the royal family and stuff, but, like, that's such a antiquated thing.

Speaker A:

But also kind of neat.

Speaker A:

Like, yes, talk to these people and then let the other people kind of do stuff.

Speaker A:

I don't know.

Speaker A:

But, yeah, I mean, that's.

Speaker A:

That's Marie.

Speaker A:

She was.

Speaker A:

She's a little bit of rapscallion.

Speaker A:

A little, little Austrian Jezebel.

Speaker B:

Bad time.

Speaker A:

A bad time.

Speaker A:

Real bad time.

Speaker A:

Would not recommend.

Speaker A:

Scapegoated for pretty much everything that had happened.

Speaker A:

And then also just like, doing her role, that they were like, you do this.

Speaker A:

This is you.

Speaker A:

And she's like, okay, I do this.

Speaker A:

And then they're like, why do you do that?

Speaker A:

We knew you would do it.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Anyway, Hannah, thank you for joining me.

Speaker A:

This was fabulous.

Speaker B:

Thank you for having me.

Speaker B:

I had a great time.

Speaker A:

Yeah, it was.

Speaker A:

It's also nice, especially, you know, for stories like this for me, like, I am not a mother have never been a woman and only speak a little bit of French.

Speaker A:

So I'm like, super far out of my wheelhouse for this.

Speaker A:

So it's nice getting a perspective from, you know.

Speaker B:

Thank you.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Fellow Austrian Jezebel.

Speaker B:

Yeah, of course, as everyone knows, I am an Austrian Jezebel.

Speaker B:

I have slandered as such many times.

Speaker A:

Exactly.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Poor lady.

Speaker B:

I don't.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

You know, like.

Speaker B:

Like we've said, she.

Speaker B:

She could have had some responsibility at certain times, but the reality of her station was that she didn't have as much power, nearly as much power as people thought.

Speaker B:

Yeah, she was just trying to.

Speaker B:

Just trying to survive, really, and keep.

Speaker A:

Trying to do the thing.

Speaker A:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A:

Like, just.

Speaker A:

I don't know, it.

Speaker A:

It's super depressing also to think about, like, how she tried to just, like at the very end again, like, just.

Speaker A:

All right, maybe we can fix this.

Speaker A:

Maybe.

Speaker A:

Maybe I can be the.

Speaker A:

The person to hold everything together because, like, I'm sure that Louis XVI was doing something at that time, but hopefully give hope, but also maybe not.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Anyway, yes, thanks again for joining me.

Speaker A:

If you enjoyed this episode, tell your friends, tell them who sent you like us on all of the.

Speaker A:

On the social medias and we will.

Speaker B:

See you next time.

Speaker A:

Goodbye.

Speaker B:

Bye.

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