Millions of people have UFO stories. There is a one-hundred percent chance that you know at least one person that has a story! So, we went to our listeners and in our own archives for this episode’s tales of UFO experiences.

Once again, join me, Wendy Lynn, Scott Markus from WhatsYourGhostStory.com , and my sister Allison Jornlin from MilwaukeeGhosts.com to talk about our own stories as well as great ones from our listeners. You can watch the unedited livestream of our conversation here if you’d like to see our pretty faces while we talk.

My sister, Allison, has her own UFO story and it happened to be on the day that my daughter was born, September of 2016. Here’s the exact text of the email she sent me and it came out about 15 minutes after the birth, she didn’t know about it yet and I didn’t have much time to think about it at the time!

I saw some UFOs today at about 7:25 a.m. and I couldn’t wait to tell you. Maybe it’s a sign. Is it baby time? Below is what I wrote for the kids today during our Quick Write: Something amazing happened to me this morning.

No, my brother’s baby didn’t come yet, unfortunately. It was something else.

I was driving to school on Hwy 43 Southbound when I saw something strange in the sky. Actually it was two-somethings. I wondered were they planes, but I couldn’t stop and look because I was on the expressway. That means emergency stopping only!

The objects were pretty high up. That’s why I thought they were planes. But I actually saw two planes go by this morning also. These other objects didn’t seem to be moving and they didn’t have the blinking lights that planes have to have by law. They were like two groups of three bright, white lights hovering there. One was much lower than the other and off to the right. What were they? I wish I could have stopped and taken some video. By the time I got off the expressway, the lights were in back of me and seemed to be getting smaller.

I think maybe they were flares, but I’m not sure. They seemed to fade out instead of coming down like they were on parachutes. They also didn’t really seem to move at all, just hanging motionless in the sky for at least 5 minutes. What do you think they were?

I’ve got my own UFO story too, not exciting like an abduction or anything, but interesting enough to me that I wrote it down the same day.

I was on a vacation in January of 2008 visiting a place called Cabo Rojo which is an incredible white sand beach on the southwestern shore of the island, opening up to the Carribbean sea with a very famous lighthouse.

There was an object far away in the sky that almost looked like a blimp, but it was tremendously high in the sky, so high and so far away that we couldn’t be quite sure of what it was. It definitely didn’t look like a cloud, even though it was completely white and high enough to be a cloud. But the rest of the clouds had some kind of softness and transparency to them and this cloud didn’t. It was definitely unusual and I thought it might be a UFO, what I really thought it might have been was some kind of alien or government ship that was up there and it was meant to be disguised as a cloud, but it was just different enough so if you looked you couldn’t tell. I dunno, I wanted to take a picture of it but I was so enamored with the natural beauty of the place that I forgot about the unnatural beauty of what we were seeing. It probably was a cloud or a blimp that was very high, but it looked just different enough from the other clouds to be interesting. 

My journal, January 3rd, 2008

Funny enough, as we were getting back on the road and driving towards our next location, just what road do we end up driving on? Yeah, that’s some kind of synchronicity. I see something weird in the sky I can’t explain on the same day we randomly decide to drive Puerto Rico’s Extraterrestrial Highway.

This episode is chock full of weird lights in the sky stories, including:

• Once again, our Patreon Dr. Ned tells us an interesting UFO encounter he had in the 1960s
• We’ve got high strangeness on a military base from our Patreon C.E. Martin’s book ,  Stranger Than Fiction .
• A Chicago UFO sighting from Illinois MUFON state director, Sam Maranto
• A Bermuda Triangle story from near Cabo Rojo where we were in Puerto Rico
• and lots more…

Well, something I said in this episode is that I’m gonna punch the next person that says the phrase “Space Brothers” to me, well guess what, it was me. The most ridiculous UFO hunt I’ve ever been on was at the Michigan Paracon in 2017 where we all stood outside in the parking lot while Andrea Perron sang “Sentimental Journey” and it was as ridiculous as it sounds. The only reason I took it even a little seriously at first is because Dave Schrader from Darkness Radio and The Holzer Files and Amy Bruni from Kindred Spirits both said that Andrea could really make some crazy stuff happen. Well, I don’t know what they were smoking, but here’s our immediate reaction afterwards…

Welcome to See You on the Other Mike, where the world of

the mysterious collides with the world of entertainment.

A discussion of art, music, movies, spirituality,

the weird and self discovery. And

now, your hosts, musicians and entertainers

who have their own weakness for the weird, Mike and

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It's, once again, this is Mike with Sunspots seeing on the other Mike,

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brethren, in WEIRD, and I'm talking

about, my literal brethren, my sister,

Allison. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. That's

right. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. And Big daddy.

Mike Huberty. My Mike and roll weird

family, Wendy and Scott. How is

everybody feeling on this fine Sunday

afternoon? It actually is a pretty it is if you had a chance to venture

outside with your masks on, it's a pretty nice day.

Beautiful day. It's a beautiful day in quarantine. I'm

feeling unkempt and pale. Oh. Yes. But but

we're starting to feel ripped from doing all these push ups and, this old prison

workout plan. Still work you guys are still working on the old push

ups. Myself, I

if you haven't seen I haven't shaved now in

5 weeks. I like it. I wanna see what happens. You look like a mountain

man. I look like Bob Seger. Or or like a

Scott a Scotsman. You know? Like a like

a mud Scotsman. A Highlander. You look like a

Highlander. That's it. I'll take that. I'll take that instead of a mountain

man. Okay. Just hope that everybody is doing

alright with, obviously, we are all still stuck

inside or not supposed to hang out with other people. But

they can't stop us from Skyping. We're gonna Skype They can.

Every day. That's right. They cannot stop us from speaking to each other over

the Internet. And, you know, this is gonna be

episode 292 of the See You

on the Other Side podcast. And we wanted to just talk about some of our

favorite personal UFO stories as well

as, stories that we get from our listeners and the people

who have been checking out the podcast. And I

gotta say, I feel like ufology

is a contentious field. You know what I mean? Because you have

people at several levels. Because because ufology

is different than ghosts in a certain way because

ghosts require a like, it require that leap of

faith right away in that there's idea there's a soul or an

afterlife. Like, you're immediately jumping that leap that there's a soul or an afterlife.

Whereas in UFOs, there's a variety of

levels of belief that you can get to. Do you guys know what it like,

the the Mike, starting with, like, just there's something weird

in the sky. Right. Okay. Just unidentified,

unidentified something. Anything.

Right. Yeah. So you could start out with just something weird in the

sky. Mike, okay. Well, is it an alien? I don't know. It could be

a it could be a foreign spaceship. It could be a

not a foreign spaceship. It could be a foreign airplane. It could be a spy

satellite. It could be a human craft. Could be Right. Swamp gas

or a weather balloon. Right. Any kind of

visual, you know, anomaly. Anomaly. And

if if you guys want the real story of the swamp guest, you're gonna have

to listen to our episode with, Mark

O'Connell, the guy that actually wrote the book on doctor j

Allen Hynek. Literally, of course. They didn't use any

of, they didn't use any of that for the Project Blue

Book History Channel series. Yeah. It's not

based on any facts. No. Whatsoever.

But it is a lot of fun. If you're it's like an X Files kinda

show, but it is completely fictionalized,

version of, doctor Hynek's life. They should start putting the the quotation

marks around History Channel, like like fancy ketchup. Yeah.

Absolutely. Right. I've never

I've never thought of the History Channel as fancy ketchup before.

But, I mean, I would to me, it's more of the,

like, hunts compared to, like, the National Geographic heintz.

Mike. When you're comparing the the ketchups of quality. We would

definitely recommend Mark O'Connell's book, Close Encounters,

Man. It's really good. That is thoroughly

researched. It's a great book. And, you know, we were talking

to him a couple years before he released the book, and he was, you know,

talking about writing it. And he goes in the whole story of the swamp gas

in the, see on the other side episode. We interview Mark O'Connell for

2 episodes. Early on, we talked about his writing for Star Trek, and then

we, talked about his research into J. Allen Hynek and why

the swamp like, everybody was like J. Allen Hynek is such a debunker

because of the swamp gas thing. But when you, listen to the

actual story, you'll find out that, Hynek

isn't, isn't the bad guy that everybody said he was.

You know, he's not the he's not the wild debunker that everybody said he was.

So we'll have to put that link in the show notes. So starting out at

that level, we can start with the there's just something weird in the sky level.

That's interesting. Then there's the level of

we don't think it's a human craft in the sky, and it's an

alien. And that that is a leap of faith. You know, that then we're

starting a leap of faith. But, I mean, does anybody

really think that aliens don't exist at all elsewhere in the

universe? Are there people that are like, okay. Alien we are the

only life. Earth is the only life in the entire universe. I think

that's a minority position. Yeah. I mean, I think

scientists today will say that

there has to be intelligent life somewhere in the vast universe. They don't

know if it's reached earth, and some of

them would argue that point, but they don't argue the point anymore

that there isn't other life. Right. Because I I think that's some

part of the idea of how we got here. You

know, we evolved from some speck of life that

came flying in on a meteorite that, took hold on Earth.

Well, I mean, that's that's controversial theory, Scott. That's

panspermia, and there aren't some scientists that put that

forward, but there's a lot of scientists that don't like that idea

either that that we were seeded somehow. You you

think back Wendy this is just molten lava, well, Mike had to have come

from somewhere then. I mean, we we have to avoid the religious

conversation. That's exactly what because I was just gonna say, you know, saying that

there's no life out there is Mike saying, I know something that we

don't know. We couldn't possibly know. But then that's that's that's the that's what faith

is. Right? I mean Right. Essentially. So so never mind. We

won't we won't go down that road. I think people

think that there was some chemical reaction that

happened here that was fairly unique

that, just came about from the primordial

soup. Mhmm. And they don't like to

say that, you know, maybe there was life somewhere

else and, you know, some of those,

bacteria or, viruses

hitched a ride and then found a new home here,

they they prefer to think that, you know, some Mike of chemical

reaction brought it about here,

and it rather than it being somewhere else first. Sure. And well, I think

I mean, panspermia might be, you know, controversial, the idea of

it. The fact I think it's more controversial the idea that

we were seeded by someone else rather than the idea than the

chemical reaction could have come from something from a meteor or a,

you know, a comet coming by the planet. I think it's to

say that we were planted here Mike in Prometheus.

Well, not not talking about, quarter mass or

or anything like that. You know? I

you know, just the idea that even bacteria accidentally got here and

started it all Sure. Is controversial to some scientists. But

certainly, the idea that we were intentionally,

put here is way out there. Well, so so that's so

now we're talking about different more levels of belief. Because the thing is,

so you're saying that, okay, life exists out there in the universe. And

other people, you know, everybody's like, yeah, that's gotta be true. Right? That's gotta be

true. And then you go to, okay, now that life is

Mike flying by and visiting our planet kinda like we do on

safari or something like that. Yeah. And

then there's the next level that they've made

contact and they're here. Right.

And and that's the x files level. You know, that they they made they made

a deal with the government, and that's they're keeping it from us. That's the disclosure

level, I think, of belief. So we come to, Mike, okay. Yes.

That weird things can happen in the sky. Okay. Sure. They might be aliens.

3, the aliens are here. The government knows about

them, and they're hiding it from us. Right.

And then even beyond that is the

idea of, you know, exo politics that we have to,

prepare to enter into a federation of planets or something

cool like that. The Anunnaki? Yes. Oh, the

Anunnaki. That's a whole new How can we forget about the

Anunnaki? Our friends, the Anunnaki. Race of the Anunnaki. But

oh, but David Icky. Let's even oh, David

Icky. Yeah. Let's even go beyond that and

talk about, talk about

so there's some people that are Mike, oh, no. It's not nuts and bolts

craft. They're not from another planet. They're actually

fairies or demons who are deceiving you

into thinking their intelligence is from another planet, but they

really, originate, from here and,

are just, just pulling the wool over our eyes,

you know, presenting themselves as kind space brothers

when they really want our eternal souls, or they just wanna mess with

us like fairies. I think that's a that's a fun that's always a fun

theory. It reminds me of this game called Dark Conspiracy that was a a

role playing game that was in the nineties, and it was the idea that man.

You love those nineties role playing games. Because 90

well, nineties role playing games were super dark, and that's what

made them fun. Like, they had to be, like Like, what was that vampire 1?

Vampire the masquerade, girl. That was the game that we missed to

play, and that was you dress up like vampire. Like, you you played the bad

guy, and that was the idea. So that was the first time instead of being

the noble heroes who would slay the dragon in role playing, you would be

the vampires who had to feed on humans. You're the LARPers from What We Do

in the Shadows. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah. No. Wait. We

I was a total LARPer. I I will vouch for that. What was

your character name, Mike? Oh, you know, I was the storyteller.

So I wasn't just a I was like like 10 different, it was like 10

different characters. So when we You you didn't take Mike your baptism or

your, confirmation name, Cyprian, and make that into your

vampire character. That's pretty good. I love that. But the thing

is, that since the live action

game, you would have the people who would play their characters, and then

I would have, like, 4 or 5 people working with me who would

play different other characters throughout the evening. And you would, like, turn

your friend's basement into a nightclub. Mike, we'd,

like, we'd, like, go to Spencer Gifts and get different colored lights and stuff like

that. And we couldn't there are no booze. We were all under 21. And

but you'd have things that looked like wine or nonalcoholic wine and stuff

like that we'd serve. And then we'd all, like, just play the

characters and and be the same. There's no, there's no age

limit on animal blood. I think you were skipping

out. We could've We could've gone to the butcher mic. But,

okay. Enough the thing is I was a LARPer, and that's we could go

on for hours. The question is how much are you committed to your

character? You're okay. We when we had John Wendy on the show to talk

about when, like, UFOs came back, in 2,000 Wendy

of 2017, and we were talking about when the New York Times

even thought it was cool, like, to talk about UFOs again.

You know, he was mentioning that things are like, it happened in cycles, and UFOs

were huge in the 19 nineties. Wendy, remember all the people, like, in

college that had t shirts that said things Mike, take me to your dealer? It

was like a like a like a like a Roswell alien smoking a

dupe. I think a lot of it too had to do with the popularity of

X Files at that time. Oh, yeah. Because that was that

was the So, yeah, that came back, what, 93 or so? And then

just Just caps. Just grew and grew in popularity. Mhmm. And

then Ancient Aliens in more recent years. Right. Yeah.

So the so the aliens are back. But the thing is the nineties, it was

it was dark. Like, it was cool to be the bad guy. And so, like,

Dark Conspiracy was this game where you had the

demons and the extraterrestrials team up

together to to try to hunt down humans, like, to to

change the human, like, course of human history.

And so that was like, that's what makes me think of when I think of

when you talk to certain religious people and they say, like, well, UFOs and

aliens and stuff, those are just demons trying to take your soul. Mhmm.

That's right. That's why the Vatican has observatories all over the

world. Think about it. That's that's level 4. Well, no. But the thing is but

the the same people who believe that usually believe that the Vatican that the, you

know, the pope is like a tool of the devil. Because

even you know, we were talking about how sign most scientists, the

majority opinion is probably there is life, you know, somewhere else in the in the

universe. And that is also, the

opinion of the the church even. The you know, in

2012, the Vatican sponsors a meeting to discuss the chances of

extraterrestrial life in Vatican City. You know, they were saying that,

finding extraterrestrial life is like a, quote, a detective chase, a crime to be

solved, and we're getting very close to the answer. And this is a guy that's

head of the, Steward Observatory in the University of Arizona's Department of

Astronomy in Tucson. And he's at this

Vatican conference where, these archbishops

and priests are discussing the,

the implications the religious and spiritual implications

that life exists elsewhere in the universe. And so,

what's one thing that the pope and, like, Richard

Dawkins can agree on? It's the idea that there's

probably extraterrestrial life in the universe. And that's probably the only thing they'll ever

agree on. And so that's what makes you know, I think that's what makes

this, interesting. Oh, and Stephanie comes in, and

she's like, the pope is an alien. Nice.

He Mike be. He might be. You know, funny enough, we did have

an episode of the podcast, with the reverend John

Polk, and he claims

that, he's been visited many times by the people in space

and that Jesus was an alien. So the pope being an alien, that's

not even quite off the mark, from people we have, had

conversations with in the past. Okay. Now we should probably start

like, the idea of some of our personal favorite UFO stories and maybe our own

UFO experiences. And, I have one. I have one. Okay.

So let's start with people that have actually had a UFO experience here.

And, Allison, what can we debunk

for you? Okay. Well, I'm not saying

it's a mothership. In fact, I don't think

it is. I just don't know what it is. I mean, I just You know,

Wendy, Scott, and I believe in the mothership because

we've, I mean, we've seen we've seen George Clinton's tour bus. We've seen

Yeah. So we absolutely believe in the mothership. I

just don't think it's fair to you. Believe in George Clinton. I mean

Yeah. He is odd. He has superhuman abilities of,

performance. Oh my gosh. Yes. That's true. His whole clan. And gray

hair. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Superhuman funk.

Yeah. Definitely. Atomic dog,

still. I listen to that almost every day. I love that song.

Anyway, so besides George Clinton, I

I did I did see something extraordinary. Now

I know it wasn't a drone. I've seen drones

before. During the day and at night.

I've also seen Chinese lanterns and it wasn't

that either. So I'm not sure what it was and it was a

broad daylight sighting and actually it happened when

I was still working at a

traditional school and, so I

was driving to work running a little late,

and, it was let's see. It was about 7:25

in the morning on Monday, September 26,

2016. I know because as soon as I got to

school, I emailed Mike. Well, actually,

first what I did is I

brought my class to the classroom, and we had a quick write. And what did

we write about? We wrote about, something

extraordinary that has happened to you. And I just took that

opportunity to write down all the facts as I could remember

them. And then as soon as I had done that, I copied that to

Mike and sent it so that I would have a record record. Good

job, Allison. And I didn't I didn't have I didn't have much like, I wasn't

able to answer it or pay a lot of attention because that was the date

of my daughter's birth. So, Allison, you were a little busy. UFO sighting

it. You know, I would I had other things to worry about, unfortunately, rather

than your UFO sighting, Allison. Yeah. I well, what I

wrote to you in this email is, I saw some

UFOs today at about 7:7:25 AM, and I couldn't

wait to tell you. Maybe it's a sign. Is it baby

time? It's funny that it was baby time. It was

baby time. I mean, I don't know why that would have any relation

to aliens or whatever these things. Well, you know, just to jump in

really quickly, I I think that's fascinating that happened on at Arrival

date. So there there are some people out there that wonder if aliens and

UFO sightings are getting mixed up with angel sightings or if there's some kind of

a family, guardian angel connection there. And Sheryl

Crow even has a great, song. First song on her

second album is called maybe angels, and it's actually about aliens.

Yeah. Interesting. Well and, I mean, I I

don't know why I would connect the 2 things, but I just

anytime anything peculiar happens, I guess, I

was Mike, maybe it's some kind of sign. So I

wrote this, and then of course he didn't get back to me right away because

it was baby Mike, but anyway I said below is what I

wrote for the kids today, so remember these are 4th graders, so, some

of this might sound a little obvious, but it's written

for, 4th graders. Below is what I wrote for the kids today. Guys out

there quick, Roy. Guys out there in the listening audience, it's actually for you. Yeah.

Yeah. Absolutely. It's about at your

speed. Wow. Something amazing happened.

Sorry. Something amazing happened to me this morning. No.

My brother's baby didn't come yet, unfortunately. Well,

actually, it did. But anyway, this is what I actually wrote this

morning. That morning. It was So we've already debunked we've already debunked

your story. I I was just that part.

I was driving to school on highway 43 southbound

when I saw something strange in the sky. Actually, it was 2

somethings. I wondered, were they planes? But I couldn't stop

and look because I was on the expressway. That means emergency stopping

only. The objects were pretty high up. That's why I

thought they were planes, But I actually saw 2 planes go

by this morning also. These other objects didn't seem to be

moving and they didn't have the blinking lights that

planes have to have by law. They were like 2 groups

of 3 bright white lights hovering there. 1

was much lower than the other and off to the

right. What were they? I wish I could have stopped and taken some

video. By the time I got off the expressway, the lights were in

back of me and seemed to be getting smaller. I think maybe

they were flares, but I'm not sure. They seemed to fade out

instead of coming down like they were on parachutes. They also

didn't really seem to move at all, just hanging

motionless in the sky for at least 5 minutes. What do you think they

were? So I have some details to add

to this account. So I can't say

how high up there they were. I mean, I was

coming, under an overpass and they

were seemed to be before the overpass

and above the overpass, but it's really hard to

tell how high something is up in the sky.

So I know they were above the overpass, but, you know,

I'm not sure of the exact height and that would that

would seem to, make it difficult

to judge the Mike. But I know also

that besides the fact of them being like 3

circular lights in a row, there was a,

a dark, rectangular form

that they seemed to be seated in. So it was like a

gray rectangle that had

3 white circles in it. And then offset and to the right

was another gray rectangle that looked

exactly the same. So that

doesn't seem like flares. It doesn't seem like

anything of consequence. It's just they were

just hovering there. So what do you guys make of that?

I would say that's unidentified. Yes. Those those flying objects Totally.

Definitely unidentifiable. I'll also say I wish I saw that too. I've never seen

anything cool like that in the sky. Yeah. It was very bizarre. And I was

like, are aren't other people seeing this? And, you know, you just

it's life. You gotta go to work. You gotta do your thing. You can't just,

like, oh, and have a baby. Swerve, pull off the highway, and

take video. I did try to take

something, you know, but I couldn't drive on the expressway and

point it to I mean, I made a half hearted attempt to And

you call yourself a researcher. I was saying if you were a

real researcher, like I said, John Keel would have died for that betrayal.

Yes. And so the fact the fact that you didn't risk your life, it's

just it's okay. It's just you're not I think in this day and age, John

Kiel probably would be walking around with a GoPro constantly, like,

recording. Right? Yeah. Like, strapped to your head. And, you know,

and also, I mean, I'm not I I think, I mean, John Kiel is obviously

brilliant and and great writer and stuff like that. But I also

think we tend to, I was thinking about

this after our conversation with,

Ken Walker who is he's done this amazing

Bigfoot recreation, and you'll heard about him in,

our episode on big fur. And when I'm doing research on the

Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot film, we tend

to, like, you know, oh, like Patterson and Gimlin, Mike,

those guys were I mean, they were hardcore researchers and stuff. We

tend to forget everyone's failures and just think about the successes, and

so we tend to canonize the people that

came before us when they still had there's plenty of mistakes and

missteps. Right. But they still find interesting things. That too. Right. Especially

when you're thinking And we all have our foibles. Well, of course, we all have

our foibles. But when we you know, it whenever you're looking to the

past, we always have to think about, like, let's look at the

totality of evidence and remember that history is written by the

victors and the whole thing. The other thing that made me think about that is

when I was doing research into where the, Amityville

Horror book was written. So where did Jay Anson write the book?

Because Jay Anson never met any members of the family. He was only

given a series of tapes, and he wrote the book based on the tapes.

And so when I read Lloyd Auerbach's book, another,

see you on the other side alumni. When I read Lloyd's book and he

talked about why the Amityville Horror was a hoax, he was using

evidence of the moon, you know, Mike, the you know, when they were talking about

a full moon, it wasn't the full moon. When they were talking about, a

month. Finding, like, cracks in their story based on,

like, weather and science and things. You know, and he Boy, that sounds

familiar. It does. And well, Allison, you and Sam Maranto

who we're gonna go to Sam's story next. Sam Maranto was the head of Illinois

MUFON. We're gonna talk about that next. But,

the reason that I thought it was interesting is because Jay Anson, he's

talking about the process of writing. I remember Jay Anson, he only died a couple

years after the book was released. Like, he didn't live a long time. He didn't

even live long enough to probably enjoy the fame and the money that he would

have gotten from the movies and stuff. But Jay Anson writes he's

like, yeah. So I don't get the weather right. So and this is before Lloyd

Auerbach was trying to, was trying to bust it for, like,

being a hoax. He was saying, yeah. I didn't pay attention to the moon,

the weather, or anything like that. Like, I just did what I could

do to make it the best story I could. And you're thinking,

okay. Jay Anson is not a reporter. He's

not here to tell the he's a novelist. Yeah.

He's not there to try to create this true story to get it

as accurate as possible that us as paranormal

investigators, that's what we want. Right? We want the truth so

that we can figure out if there is something paranormal here.

He's like, I just wanna write a good story, man. And when I read that,

I was like, oh. Like, it just made so much sense that

I figured I I mean Yeah. Well, that's the divide we come to. I think

so many people today are just in it for a good story.

Not that it's not that I don't like good stories. I just think

stories are better when you give me some truth. Right. Right. Exactly.

But, yeah, there's plenty of fiction stories out there. So we don't need to to

create I mean, we let let's let the the truth be

the truth, you know, at least Right. In its purest form. You can make Right.

You know, fiction can be inspired by it. But, like, if you're

reporting it, then actually report the details and the facts.

Yeah. Right. Amen, sister. Amen. Okay. So I I I kinda

just wanted to bring that up because when we talk about, like, we lionize these

old guys, and I just wanna make sure that, we keep everything in perspective because

everybody's human. And when we're searching for the final thing,

which is as many facts and truth as we can get

at, we always have to keep those those kind of things in mind.

I kinda wanted to tell a story that I just remembered today. I didn't even

remember it. But it was beamed into your head. January 3rd. Right.

Well, it was so January 3, 2008. And this is why I think this is

interesting. It's because number 1, I had no recollection of this whatsoever.

And number 2, there was a coincidence later. So this is what I

wrote in my journal that day. At noon of January

3, 2008, my wife and I go to the

Cabo Rojo Lighthouse. Now Cabo Rojo

is on the southwestern edge of

Puerto Rico. And Puerto Rico is about the size of Connecticut,

So it's, you know, if you get the southwestern edge, I mean, it's a couple

100 miles long. And we're in the southwestern edge in the

Caribbean, and Cabo Rojo is like this white

sand beach. It's it's almost like the beach from the

movie. The, The beach? Yeah. Who's the director?

Trainspotting, Guy Ritchie. The British guy. No?

No. No. Trainspotting was, Slumdog Millionaire.

Oh, I can't think of him. Cello Grave. Anyway, but the Beach movie,

it's it's like that. It's this really super blue

water, calm waves, white sand,

and then some dude will some dude will pull his boat, like, right up to

it, Mike, jamming music and, like, throwing beer cans on the side.

So it's not it's it's it's a very pretty area, but people

also use it. Always pristine. No. It's definitely not always pristine.

But we're at this beach, and it's a it's a beautiful day, and we go

to the lighthouse there. It's a famous lighthouse in Caballero, El Faro.

And, the director of the lighthouse is David. The views are spectacular. It's hot

as balls. You know, it's high eighties.

And so I write this down after I saw

it. We're, you know, walking around the lighthouse. I'm taking

pictures, but then I see this object far away in the sky, and it

almost looks like a blimp, but it was tremendously high in the sky. So high

and so far away that we we couldn't be quite sure of what it

was. It definitely didn't look like a cloud, even though it was completely

white and high enough to be a cloud. But the rest of the clouds had

some kind of softness and transparency to them, and this cloud didn't. It was

definitely unusual and I thought it might be a UFO.

Actually, what I thought it might be was some kind of alien or government ship

that was up there and disguised. Woah, dude. But it was

just just different enough so that if you looked at it, you could tell.

I was trying to take a picture of it, but I I couldn't get a

good picture. And I was so enamored with the natural beauty place, I

forgot about the unnatural beauty of what we were seeing. It was

probably a cloud or Yeah. That's what they want you to do. Or maybe a

it was probably a cloud or maybe a blimp that was very high, but it

looked just different enough from the other clouds to be interesting. Now I

wrote that down at, like, 12:15 or, you know, whenever it happened.

An hour later, we're, like, driving to our next, you know,

location after spending some time in the beach going to the lighthouse, and it's it's

the extraterrestrial highway. It's named the extraterrestrial highway

That's awesome. In Puerto Rico. So, like, I

see you I mean, I don't know if it was a UFO. It was the

cloud that didn't look like the rest of clouds. Well, it was a UFO then

because it you couldn't identify it. Yes. Definitely unidentified.

And it struck me enough that I had to write something down about it. And

then an hour there, we're driving, and this is the extraterrestrial highway where a

ton of UFO sightings have happened to Puerto Rico previously. And Puerto

Rico is in the Burmese. That near the world famous

Arecibo, telescope as well? It's no. It's on the other side of the

island. Oh, bummer.

I wanted to connect those 2. But that doesn't mean you connect connect it to

the Bermuda Triangle because as,

so one of my favorite Bermuda Triangle stories actually happens not

very far away from Cabo Rojo as someone's flying back

from, Santiago in the Dominican Republic.

And this happened in 1980, and

Jose Maldonado Torres was flying a small plane back from

Santiago to San Juan. And to get there, you gotta go around

Cabarajo in this area. And by the time you get to Cabarajo,

then you're the next part is you're over the island the rest of the time.

But before he was over the island, just as he's getting back into,

Puerto Rican airspace, the official report states that he's

complaining about a weird object. He could see this weird thing, and he said it

was interfering with his navigational equipment. That was the last

message they got. The plane was never seen again, and, 2

people, him and his copilot disappeared that day. And the thing is,

the father of the other passenger of the plane was an assistant chief in the

Puerto Rico Aero Aero Police, and he was an accomplished pilot himself,

and he was one of the people who was leading flights searching for his son.

And his personal affidavit as he that he gave the, you know, the

the aerospace commission. The he says that, you

know, when they were listening to the tape, he said they described

the weird object that was interfering with their navigational equipment as

glowing. And that was the last report they

got. And, you know, they they kinda disappeared in

that area. So that's what I thought was you know, I thought it was kind

of an interesting thing, when I like, that I had seen and I didn't

even know that story when I was there. I was not thinking about UFOs when

I was there. It was 12, so I wasn't drinking yet.

And, I saw something weird. And I for completely forgot I saw

something weird that I had to write about it. And then,

12, you know, 12 years later, I'm just looking through my journal. I'm like,

oh, I bet somebody emailed me something about UFOs or something like that. And then

I found that story, and then I'm like, wait. But then there's

the Bermuda Triangle story as they were reentering Puerto Rican airspace so they'd be

coming from that direction. Anyway, Cabarajo,

place for UFOs, place for beautiful white sand

beaches. Yeah. Yeah. Well and Puerto Rico is known

for UFOs elsewhere on the other side too with the

Arecibo telescope, which was famously portrayed in the

x files. Yes. X files. And that's also where the, the climax to the movie

GoldenEye takes place. That's right. Pierce Brosnan and Sean Bean

fight, at the Arecibo radio telescope. And it's funny. So

Golden Eye comes out in, like, 1995. I think it was we were freshmen in

college when? And, I had a professor of

astronomy that year or no. I'm sorry. A teaching assistant in astronomy who had

just spent 6 months in Arecibo while they were shooting Golden

Eye. And he said that he's like he's like, oh, it's pretty cool they did

it. He's like, Pierce Brosnan is kind of a crybaby, though. And

what? He's like, he's just always complaining about stuff. I'm

just Mike, Pierce Brosnan, you're breaking my heart. And

it just made me laugh to hear that. I forgot that he's like, oh, yeah.

They you know, he's like, I was there when they shot Goldeneye. I'm like,

what? Awesome. Mike, James And you have to remember what a

dandy he was during, Remington Steele in his old

his his his younger years. So I can believe

that. I you're right. I can believe it too. Kind of a

namsey pamsey. You know, we haven't had a chance to listen to I wanted to

say, we were talking about, Sam Maranto from Illinois,

MUFON, and I wanna play you guys Sam's

UFO story that he called in and shared with us. So let's take a listen

to that right now. Hello, you guys. This is

Sam, and, you wanted a UFO story? Well,

this was our account, Sam and Julie, back on

Friday, May 2,

2003. We were driving southbound on LaGrange Road at

intersection of a 159th Street in Orland Park.

To our left, in the southeast section above the

Pep Boys, Julie noticed a large

orange orb pop in and all sorts

of discharges around it, much like looking

like fireworks displayed all the way around it and then

oozing from the bottom small

boards with exactly the same color. So we

watched it, and it was in the sky while we were sitting there at the

light. And as we moved away, we

were watching it for probably about 7 minutes. And as it

moved, it went through the complete spectrum of light,

and it changed color. They moved across the sky

going westbound and going southwest and then

disappeared. The whole observation was somewhere between

5 and 7 minutes until it was completely out of range.

I called the police department to see if there were any reports. They

gave me, notice that it there were

absolutely no reports, but yet I received a call later stating

that, yes, there were reports, but it was,

children with balloons. And when I asked the person

why, did they make that statement, I

said they were told to. And, that was

it in a very brief summary. And by the way, we had

a north to south wind at 13 miles an hour.

There were multiple witnesses. We weren't the only Wendy saying that. Thank

you. Bye. Oh, man.

Now, Sam first of all, Sam's a super nice guy, and he's a lot of

fun. And, we've we've enjoyed talking

to him in the podcast before and at paranormal conventions. But the thing about that

And most importantly, he's a meticulous researcher.

Yes. And he doesn't take anything at face value. If you listen to the end

of that call, he goes in and says, well, there was a north. He talks

about the direction of the wind and the wind speed. And so it's like he

go he goes in and he tells that. He he gives you the direction of

the wind speed and also the fact that he had somebody called in to Mike

on or whatever calls him and says that, you know, they had seen those

objects too, and they were told to tell them that it

was children with balloons. And so not so

that story has two levels. Number 1, Sam, saw something weird over at Pep

Boys, you know. And but number 2,

that, somebody had told another

experiencer that it was just balloons and if anybody

asks asks you about it, it's just balloons. You know, that makes me think about,

you know, the x files episode where Jose

Jong from outer space. Jose Jong from outer space where, like, Jesse the

body That's my favorite. Mine too. Jesse the body

Ventura and Alex Trebek show up as men in black.

Classic. And, Jesse Jesse Devadhi Ventura is like,

what you saw was the planet Venus. And,

you know, I'm try as a as a 5 foot 8 guy, I'm trying to

tell everybody what a 6 foot 6 guy like, I'm trying to sound like a

6 foot 6 guy who has a You're doing a pretty good job. Very different

diaphragm in order to create sound. But the thing

is, like, that makes me think, you know, somebody told like, they call the you

know, Sam what I like about Sam too is he calls he sees something, he

calls the police. Because what might it be? Yeah. Well, even if it's children's

balloons or even if it's a like, he calls the cops. Like, you see something

that makes you crap your pants. You like, we talk about but with our mother

a couple weeks ago, when we're talking about their ghost story, They heard this

knocking at the door. They were living across the street from a,

a cemetery, and, a knocking at the door in the middle of the

night gets a phone call to the cops even though Bob had Yeah. I mean

shotgun is ready to cap an ass. When when,

witnesses do that, it gives their story an

extra level of credibility. They're willing to go on the record.

And it's sad that so few stories have

that component because it really makes you

Wendy. I mean, I didn't call the cops because

alright. What I saw didn't seem to be of any

danger to anyone. But, you know, when you see

something that, you know, puts the fear of God in you, what

do you do? You call the cops. So when people

report seeing extraordinary terrifying things,

well, you know, your next question to them would be, what did you do? Did

you call the cops? Right. And if they didn't, why didn't

they call? Well, Sam Maranto obviously doesn't have that problem,

because the thing is he's he's not gonna report it to MUFON. He is

MUFON. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, he's gotta go to the next level. He's

not just like, oh, I'll just submit to move on. Like, no. You are. Move

on. Alright. So I kinda you know,

I wanted to read a story that was written by one of our patrons. Woo

hoo. Yay. And, and we read it you know, last time we

were taking in stories, we we did his one of his ghost stories from, his

book stranger than fiction, a skeptic's journey. And now when

you say, like, are you gonna call the authorities or whatnot? With

this particular story, this happened with people on, like,

an air force base. So when they talk about calling the authorities, I mean, they

are the authorities. They are the people you would call Wendy something like this goes

down. And I know that Chuck himself is working on another

book about, ghost stories that happened to law enforcement

officers. And Awesome. Yeah. I love books like that.

Yes. Yeah. And so as we but this is from Chuck's book, stranger than fiction.

He gave us permission to read a story, and, let's get into it.

So station at McClellan Air Force Base. Now this is a f

McClellan AFB is in California. Now it's McClellan

Park. It's not an air force base. It was decommissioned in 2003, but

we're gonna go back here, a couple of decades,

back to when Chuck was a younger man and stationed, there.

This is a story called The Phantom Rider.

My best friend in McClellan was a sergeant a few years older than me who

I worked with a lot. Freddie, as I'll call him now, had been in the

USAF since he was 18 and had been stationed in Italy and Panama as

well as Nellis Air Force Base, not far from the infamous Area

51 so many ufologists are obsessed with. Having

gone on the USAF at the age of 22, I tended to be older than

most of the airmen of my Mike, and as a result, ended up hanging out

with guys my age or slightly older. Freddie and I worked well

together and spent time together on duty at his house where his wife and

kids always welcomed me in. We spent a lot of time talking on duty, mostly

about politics and religion, but eventually, the subject turned to

the paranormal. When he was stationed at Nellis Air Force Base,

Freddie had often gotten an assignment working the bomb range. He explained

that sightseers would occasionally come onto the vast base to catch a glimpse

of aircraft and had to be chased away for their own safety. While it

took me a while to get Freddie to talk about Nellis, the wait was well

worth it. But surprisingly, not about UFOs, but rather supernatural

events. Freddie's first story involved the Phantom Rider,

a motorcyclist who wore all black who could frequently be seen in the bomb

range and had to be chased away. The problem was no one could

catch him. My friend had chased the rider several times,

marveling at just how good this dirt biker was. In general, when

such a chase was initiated, units would be advised to break off and let the

rider go. This led Freddie to theorize the rider was not a civilian

after all, but a member of the security forces for one of the many classified

sites on Nellis, sites he would not tell me about, but which many

air force bases have. One day, however, Freddie decided he was

gonna find out for sure and would not give up his chase of the phantom

rider. He pursued him to the desert, finally into a series of

canyons that Freddie knew had no exit. As before, the

rider was just a little faster and eventually got out of sight, rounding a corner

and vanishing. When Freddy rounded the same corner, he was sure

he'd have his prey cornered. But the small box canyon was empty.

No rider, no body, no nothing. Freddy was baffled.

There was simply no way out of the canyon. I asked if he was sure

he'd not lost him somewhere else. The fretted admitted that was a possibility,

then proceeded to tell me about a nighttime pursuit of the rider, where, again,

he refused to give up, and it nearly cost him his life.

This chase began with Freddy sighting what looked to be dual headlights, not the

single headlight of a motorcycle, driving around in the desert at night.

He responded to the area, lights flashing, and closing the distance

convinced that he could catch a car. The trespassers weren't

giving up though. They took off at high speed trying to lose Freddie the

same way the Phantom Rider had. While security police are the main

security for air force bases, there are areas they even they are

not allowed to go. In Germany, we had a secure building used by the

weapons inspectors that regularly went to the Soviet Union as part of the

US USSR treaty. The building had its own security who

were decidedly not military. Similarly, in California,

we had a few interesting buildings that we didn't have security clearances to

enter. I would imagine every air force base is like this and Nellis was

no exception. With large areas marked off as a no go, even

for the SPs, the security people.

Freddie's chase covered a large area, but eventually turned south when the

trespassers made a beeline for one of the off limit

areas. Freddie knew he wasn't supposed to enter those areas, but he wasn't ready to

give up. He maintained his pursuit, his target always just far enough away that he

couldn't make out any detail between the two lights at hand. Suddenly,

Freddie's partner yelled out. Freddie saw the danger and slammed on his

brakes barely stopping at the edge of a canyon. He had almost driven off a

cliff in his mad pursuit of the mysterious intruders. But worse than

crash he had narrowly avoided, Freddie was baffled to see that the

two lights he had been chasing didn't crash. They continued

on as if driving on a flat surface, completely defying

gravity. Freddie watched in disbelief as the

lights curved around, suspended in the air, then came back towards him

where he had stopped. The lights came almost close enough to make out

details, but then abruptly turned again, one going to the left, the

other 2 to the right. They streaked away rapidly, fading from

sight as he watched. That's awesome.

Right. So we have, like, phantom lights being chased by

the military at Nellis Air Force Base. Wild. Yeah. I'm

Mike, this story If you like that story, the whole book is really good. There's

a ton of just interesting weird stuff, and you can get it on

Kindle for, like, $2. So Yeah. It's it's a

completely worth a Mike. So that does remind me of the story I was gonna

tell. So I think this is a good segue. Yes. So, of course, I wish

this is my story. It's not. I I was an editor on a movie, and

the director was Chris Hatton, and and this actually happened to his Wendy. So we

can trace the lineage. It's not a totally lost friend of a friend generation

story, But, so the the story goes that this man and

his wife were in Vegas for a vacation for a week. And, you know,

if you're in Vegas for a week, sometimes you just need a vacation from Vegas.

It's a it's a bit intense. So, you know, the man

said, well, I've never been this close to area 51. Let's, you know,

I know we can't go in, but let's just see how close we can get

and see what we can see. And his wife really wasn't into it, but she

went along for it because, what are you gonna do? And they

drive out there, and it's not that close to Vegas. It's still a couple hour

drive into the darkness of the desert. And as they're

getting closer and closer, they're on this lonely, dark

desert road, totally alone or so they seemed.

And frequently, suddenly headlights would turn on right

behind them, and then a black SUV with blacked out windows would

speed by. And they always took that to be, like, hey,

we are watching you. We can see you when you can't see us. It was

kind of a warning from the security, staff around area 51.

So I'm Mike, alright. Alright. Well, you know, we're just driving down the road. And,

and, unbelievably, they Wendy up

seeing more than they could ever have wished to see.

Because you they see a light on the side of the road at ground level,

and and they come up on it, and they see it's in a full UFO

parked in the desert, not that far off the

road. And there's just like you would When you say a

UFO. Flying saucer. A craft. A craft. Yes. Yeah. Because it's not flying at that

point. It's an unidentified parked object.

But it's saucer shaped? A saucer shaped object. And just like you would draw it

up in a Mike book or some 19 fifties idea,

the the ramp is down and there's alien beings

removing boxes and cargo from the ship. And so

they're sitting there just look dumbfounded watching us. Oh, man. And then suddenly

a bright ball of light appears in front of their car, and it kind of

just hovers, like, over the hood, and it starts to drift away

from them. And so the guy puts the vehicle back in gear and starts to

follow this orb, and and,

and it accelerates, and he accelerates. And suddenly, he finds himself

going over a 100 miles an hour chasing this ball of light down this desert

road, and then light shuts off. Like, oh, what the

hell was that? So he turns around to go back, and now

the craft has moved way further off the road, but he can still see way

in the distance that there's something going on. This craft is still there.

And, that's when he realized though that and and, you know, obviously, he doesn't

know. Is this a government thing, or is this a an alien thing?

But he thought a Hollywood movie thing. Probably not that.

Sounds like Mars Attacks. Yeah. Totally. But he It

does. It's at that point that he realized that this orb that he was

chasing after was probably just meant to lure him away, and it did its

job. And so that also is wondering. He he Wendy, is that an

alien thing or is that a government thing? I don't know. It was just so

the the the thing that really boggles my mind though, and you don't really know

unless you're the one there, is you want to see a UFO and boom you're

watching a UFO and aliens and then something else distracts you and

draws your attention away. And, I think, Mike, it takes me

back also to you talking about the weird cloud

that unnerved you in some way that that's not natural. That's

not just that's something there's something suspicious about

it. However, you then got distracted by the other stuff around

you. So you you do wonder if there's some sort of a psychic impression,

little mind control, whatever you wanna say, but, yeah, I just love

that story. Yeah. Something some force out there lulling us

into complacency. Well, you and and, you know, Scott, that's a that's

a really great point. I mean, that idea first of all, you see something, you're

like, oh, that's weird. And then, like, that was like, it's one of the most

beautiful places in the Caribbean. So, of course, I'm gonna be like, oh, look at

the water. You know, like Mike but but this makes me

think about probably one of the most compelling UFO stories that I've ever

heard. And this is from

Brad from Canada, who's a Facebook Wendy, and

we met Brad at the Michigan Paranormal Conference. Yeah. This is

great. And and so Brad, like, he

his particular story was that he was out

camping, like, in the in the wilds of Canada,

with his husband. And they're out there, and, they wake up in the middle of

the night, and, like, you know, hear some weird stuff, and then they

go out and just outside their tent and they look up in the

sky and they see the stars moving.

And he's like dude, you know, because Beal will drink a beer or whatever but

like a couple beers they're not gonna make the stars move. And he's like,

yeah, the stars were moving and we just saw them. He said we watched

it for a half an hour and then we went back in the tent and

went back to bed and we didn't talk about it.

We didn't talk about it for a while. And then, Mike, one

day we just kind of remembered it and started talking about it. Remember when you

woke up in the middle of the night and watched the stars? Like dance?

And his husband was like, yeah, I do. And they had this shared

experience where it seemed like at the

time, they're like, this is an incredible amazing experience. And afterwards,

they kinda forgot about it Mike you just finished watching an episode of the, you

know, of the x files or you just finished watching the TV

show. And it's that kinda thing that we say, like,

distracted by something. Yeah. Or compartmentalized

or, like, that there's there's some architects of

our reality, like, makes me think of the movie Dark City,

where, you know, you start to have an inkling that there's some kind of,

artificial machinations be behind everything that

you see. And then once you get that inkling, these aliens come by

and go, no. That's it.

You're like, I gotta go to work. Hey. What time is it?

And, you're just back to normalcy. And, I

mean, that's the idea of the machinery elves, the people working behind the scenes,

that's obviously something that who you know, that people who have done a lot of

LSD, talk about. But that also doesn't

mean that there isn't something to it. You

know, my theory, of course, is that we'll

see something amazing or something will happen, and

Wendy, we'll forget about it or something or it'll just, like, kinda

fade into the background. And that's the machinery elves coming in

and reprogram us. Yeah. They're they're knocking us they're knocking us out with

the smell of sulfur. As Joshua Cutchin talks about, the smell of

sulfur, brimstone, the you know, if you guys don't know

what sulfur smells like, eat a bunch of eggs and then gas a bunch, and

then you'll know. It smells like a fart. Right. It's

well, okay. I'm trying to get my 3 year old not to say fart,

Allison. So Oh, sorry. Alright. We prefer the term She's gonna be

studying this carefully. Mike this episode.

No. I just no. That it just makes me laugh because she's Mike, she'll be

like, I farted. And I'll be like, we say I

tooted. Excuse me. But either way or, what I meant

to say was that smell of sulfur comes in. It knocks us

it's like it it knocks us out and and puts us in a program Mike.

And then they come in, they fix whatever is wrong with our equipment,

and then they leave. And then we're Mike, I saw Bigfoot. Yeah. So we don't

know because we're just watching it on the film, but men in black, those

flashlights, also emitted a sulfur smell. There you go.

You have to see the 40 version to get that. Well Yeah.

Yeah. But, you know, that Mike to me, that idea

makes sense, though. That idea

that, you know, when we think about program

mode because we talk about hypnosis, we talk about

hallucinogenic not necessarily hallucinogenic, but we talk about, yeah,

hallucinogenic drugs. We talk about meditation.

You know, you say that these are the things that can help you, change

your neural pathways. And so,

we're talking about all these shortcuts, the changing your neural pathways. Well, what

if some of those shortcuts end up being, you

know, somebody giving us new programming? Because a lot of it is what it is

is programming. And so I just think of the nature that the olfactory,

sense is is deeply connected with

memory. So there's that. Right. Well,

olfactory with memory and plus olfactory with, like we can only

recognize so many smells. And so,

the fact that everybody knows the sulfur egg smell, like, I'm

not saying that it's aliens.

But it's aliens. Yeah. Yeah. Because because everybody's not

your your, relative, so they they wouldn't really

know what sulfur smells like, you would think.

Because they're not me. Sunspot fan for hours. Okay. I've got a couple more

things to talk about, but let's visit, our Patreon,

Ned. He had a UFO experience back in the 19

sixties. And so we wanna make sure, we

talk about Ned's, thing. And so let's go listen to it

right now, everybody. Hey, doctor Ned. The thing that

I, I've never been really one to

see unusual things. So I did see a possible

UFO in 1965 or so at

summer camp was up in the sky. Just

lights spinning around. It couldn't be anything

we know on this planet. Okay. Lights spinning

around that we couldn't see on this planet, at summer camp in

1962. Cool. And, also, I think Ned

sent a message too. Right?

I don't know if he went into more depth about it, but the idea I

mean, he's a cardiologist. Ned's not like a wild I mean, he's kind of a

wild man because he knows how to have beer. But the thing is is

that, strange brief lights in the sky that did

a fast circle that no jet could do. No crafts were seen. It was

clear sky at summer camp. He was outside walking. And

so it's nice always to see when you talk about scientists, like Mike guy that

has to take care of your heart, Ned, that he could see

a UFO and you'd be like, okay, Ned. I believe you. I still need I

still need you to make sure I'm breathing tomorrow. But

it's it's that particular kind of thing. So thanks for the story, doctor Ned. We

appreciate it. Obviously, in every podcast, you get a shout out. So I'm gonna give

you a shout out. You, doctor Ned. Shout out right now to 123 UHFA to

you. UHFA. Some more interesting things.

So, when we were using Twitter to promote the podcast, I

would tweet out to peep who used to either like darkness radio or like,

Coast to Coast AM or anything like that. And I would just say, like, hey.

If you like those kind of things, let me introduce you to our podcast, See

Another Side, where we write songs. Because George Nori, Dave Schrader,

Tim, they're all nice guys, but they ain't singing for you. Wendy and

I are. Yes. They don't know how to write a song. Right. To

save their lives. So I talked to this guy, named Michael Fricker,

and he's up in Alberta, Canada. So he's up there in the Great White

North. And, he sends me Mike a you know,

he just emails me, and he's like, hey. I know we saw each other on

Twitter, but I just wanna let you know that, I've had a lot of weird

experiences happening to me. And he sent me a PDF file called glimpses

into my Twilight Zone. And so,

one of the interesting stories I thought was, good was called Chalk Rings in the

Sky. I was living in the trailer court in the town of Dominion

near the beach with a dirt road running down the middle. This is in Canada.

So Dominion, probably a lot of maple syrup, and, the

McKenzie brothers live up there. On a warm, sunny

summer day, I was playing with a friend, and he had to go home or

something for a few minutes. While he was gone, I stood in the center of

the road and looked up at the puffy clouds above. There, I

saw what appeared to be a series of concentric white chalk rings

reminding me of a coil stovetop burner. When I picture that, I

picture, Mike, you know, think about, like, a cartoon or

whatever, with the, you know, like a stovetop burner, like, going and, like, the little

rings popping up from it. So that's what I was thinking there, that

stovetop thing. So that's that's what I envisioned was the little rings popping out like

the little smoke rings in the sky.

Silently it moved between the clouds, the space between rings the same blue

as the sky, went into a cloud and then reappeared, moving east, always

appearing as a flat circle, until it suddenly flashed

away, becoming small so quick it almost seemed to vanish.

I watched it to reappear for a while, but then my friend startled

me by calling my name from behind. I turned and asked him if he had

seen the rings. He had no idea what I was talking about and wondered where

I'd been and wondered where I'd been. He had been looking

for me for something like 5 to 10 minutes, including looking on the road. I

have no memory of leaving it. It was for the following year that I learned

the term UFO, and I heard about Project Blue Book. Although I've looked

and kept my ears open, it was only until a couple of years ago

that I'd met someone who'd said they'd seen similar rings to that one.

So I was like, okay. When I first read the story, I was like, okay.

He saw some rings in the sky.

And then he's Mike, and then my assistant said, I couldn't find you.

Wow. Alright. So then we got missing time. Yeah. I love that.

But stories like this are what make me think about the machinery

elves and make me think about the programming, and we only see what we think

we're gonna see. This is from his childhood. And he doesn't connect. He

just says, like, I've seen a bunch of weird stuff. He doesn't connect it in

in this way, but my earliest memory is waking up

sometime after midnight in my grandparents' house in Nils Harbor

at the age of 3. Moonlight or streetlight came through the only

window. My room was in back, containing stairs to the

ground floor and the room my parents were using as their bedroom. So I get

up and I I try to walk in my parents' room, and I stand there

in the dark until my father wakes up enough to notice me and tells me

to go back to bed. I turn around, and I came face to

face with Grover from Sesame Street.

Standing there completely solid and slightly taller than me, his

smile opened seemed friendly and harmless, so I started talking to him.

My father asked what I was doing, and I told him who I was talking

to, and he just told me to go to bed. So I told Grover good

night. I walked around him and back to bed.

When I was 21 and living in Banff, Alberta,

my roommates called me Grover because I reminded them of him.

Wait. Okay. That connection would be my business. Well, also, are you

saying Grover's an alien? No. But I'm no.

I am not saying Grover's an alien. But I'm saying that So just wondering how

that related to, to the UFO topic. I think it was the

idea that he's seen weird stuff all of his life. And,

when he was the first memory is him

seeing Grover as a real creature in his father Yeah.

In mother's room. And then later on, he sees rings in the sky and

disappears. And he's got several other things. They weren't necessarily UFO things,

but I'm trying to They could be they could be screen memories.

Like, you know you know, of

course, the famous Whitley Streever,

and communion talks about

seeing owls, all his life as as, you

know, from childhood on, seeing owls in weird

places. And then, at some point, he realizes

they aren't owls. This is just the camouflage that the

aliens use. They put up, something

I'd be familiar with, in in place

of an image of what they really look like, which would terrify.

The that story, the Grover story, reminded me so much. The guy that I

did some of my first, paranormal investigating with, he

talked about, as a little kid, probably the same age,

seeing a little creature that looked like ET, and

it had a syringe though. And it would kind of, like, stand over his

head and slowly Oh, my god. Release the syringe so that a single drop of

something would come down and hit him hit his forehead, and then he would be

totally paralyzed. Oh. So and it's interesting when when you were a

little child dealing with these things yeah. I know. And then what what after

that? You know? He he said he would feel the That's not cool at all.

He said he would feel the tingle sensation throughout his body, and he just was

totally paralyzed. Now as a little kid, are you, like, just trying

to associate, like, okay. This thing looks kind of like this thing I've seen on

this TV show, so therefore, now it is Grover. Now it is ET.

Were they actually being visited? Who the hell knows? But,

very wild. Wow. That is very cool. But all these

stories that we've just touched on now, they sound

a lot like alien abductee stories. There's

just many, many Yes.

Stories just like this from experiencers, world

over. But, yeah, that that idea though that, you forget about

them. That's the, you know, the men in black. That's the little thing that, you

know, that smells like sulfur. So the men in black fart on you, and you

forget you just talk to them. Alright. You know, I think we got some great,

listener stories plus personal stories. I mean, it was fun to go back, and I

had a UFO story I didn't even know about. Is there anything else anybody

wants to particularly talk about today? We're already at an hour 20. So Well, it's

been fun. I I love hearing these stories. And we

should encourage people, if you have any strange

stories, we love strange stories of every

stripe. That's why the number to call them in

is 414 Fordian for Charles Fort, who

loved 4thiana. That's what, the anomalies

of Mike, of any variety. He loved them

all. We do too. So call in your stories to

414 f o r

t e a n, and the number,

is, once again, 414-367,

8326. Yes. We're gonna do this again in

an upcoming episode where we're gonna get in everybody's, like, may like, we've done

ghosts with UFOs. Maybe we should look for well, actually,

maybe we'll just take in a grab bag of stories. And if we get Yeah.

If we get them far enough advanced, we'll have a chance to, like, kinda do

research and see what kind of similar stories there were? Yeah. During that time.

So so if you have a date, you know,

if you have, like, a a time of year, you know, make sure

to leave as much information as you can. If you get cut off by the

recording, just call on back, and we can knit the story together.

So, you can call anytime. We have this line open all

the time for your stories. So, please call day or

night and just leave your messages,

on my voicemail, 414-40n. And then we'll be able to

retrieve them. If you leave your contact information, we can call you if you have

any questions. But, you know, feel free to leave everything

right on the the message there. You can also email them. If you don't feel

like talking, you can also, email. Yeah. And we'll read them aloud. Obviously, we're

not we can do a dramatic reading. And if we have enough time, we'll put

in some sound effects too. Anyway Yeah. So we love your stories

of of of aliens, of UFOs,

Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, ghosts,

things that you just don't know what they are.

Just, you know, call those in. You know, maybe you had a

pressing ghost experience where at night you've been

overcome by sleep paralysis, but it doesn't seem quite

like that is enough of an explanation. Those are great stories

that are We love the old hags. With us as well. We I I was

we love old hags here. Yes. Let's see you on the other side podcast and

American Ghost Walks and What's Your Ghost Story. And everybody, I just had a really

good time today talking with you guys. And it was fun bringing up these old

stories. And everybody who's been joining us live Thank you. Thank you very

much. And, we're gonna we'll probably do this again next week at

the same time if it works for everybody and we'll keep

on, everybody's stuck at home so let's keep on staying

weird because even though I know it's a very strange time

for everybody, that doesn't mean the ghosts and the aliens and

that Bigfoot don't have corona. So he's

still out there too. So you guys have a great week, and we'll talk to

you on the other side.

Well, something I said in this episode is that I'm going to punch the

next person that says the phrase space brothers to me.

Well, guess what? It's me. I'm the next person who's saying space

brothers. And it's because the most ridiculous UFO hunt we've

ever been on was at the Michigan Paragon in 2017.

We all stood outside in the parking lot while Andrea Perron of the

conjuring fame sang sentimental journey

to the lights in the sky. It was ridiculous as it

sounds. The only reason I took it even a little seriously at first

is because Dave Schrader from darkness radio and the Holzer Files and Amy

Bruni from Kindred Spirits both said that Andrea could really make

some crazy stuff happen. Well, I don't know what they were smoking,

but we didn't see it. You can see our immediate reaction in a Facebook

live video at othersidepodcast.com/292 in the show

notes. Obviously, it was hard for me to take

that, without a 1000000 grains of salt. So

for this episode song, we decided to ask our alien

friends for a little favor. So here's Sunspot with the paranormal

track of the week, Space

Brothers.

You must be talking at light speed from that

black hole you got on your face. Because when

you open open your mouth, time slows down,

and I just wanna escape.

Oh, you pissed me off on a cosmic Mike,

so why don't he to come in peace?

Well, the first thing he should do is abduct

you and get you off this planet for keeps.

All these lights in the sky,

just watching us like a zoo. Well, if the

Space Brothers wanna do something for me,

I wish they would anthrop you. You.

Look. I don't know why spacemen love butts.

Well, who can read their alien brains?

But if they're

watching us like a zoo. And if the

Space Brothers wanna do something for me,

I wish they would in a probe you.

Thank you for listening to today's episode. You can find us

online at othersidepodcast.com. Until next

Mike, see you on the other side.

Oops. Before we end the episode, I simply have to thank all of our Patreon

community members. This has been a really interesting month for us

because in spite of the challenges provided by the current

pandemic situation, our community is growing.

And we are so thankful and so excited to welcome to our community

a whole bunch of new people. So I'm gonna do a shout out

to Iris,

Terry, Abby, Megan, Sharon,

Pamela, Tim, Linda,

JJ, Lexi, and Anita.

I wanna welcome you all. We're so excited to have you, and we can't wait

to get everybody together in this month's hangout.

Now I also wanna thank doctor Ned, who is at the

level where he gets this executive producer shout out. Thank you so much,

Ned, for being such a strong supporter of us. Thank you to everyone in

our community. You guys make it so exciting for us to continue producing new episodes

and songs and videos. And we are really excited because we're

gonna be able to do more and more and more now that our community is

growing so much. So we hope that you're all safe and healthy.

Again, thanks so much to everyone and have a great

week.

I too did excuse me.