AI is exploding faster than any technology in history — and coaching is directly in its path.

In this raw, unscripted conversation, Kellan Fluckiger sits down with coaches Glenn N. and Rachel Wayte to confront an uncomfortable truth: most coaching models are already obsolete.

AI can give advice.

AI can sound empathetic.

AI can even feel encouraging.

But there’s one thing it can’t do.

It can’t bleed.

This episode dismantles surface-level coaching, exposes why most coaches won’t survive the AI era, and reveals what will separate the 5% who thrive from everyone else who disappears.

This isn’t about tools.

It’s about truth.

And whether you’re willing to show up fully human.

📌 IMPORTANT TOPICS DISCUSSED

1. The AI explosion and its impact on coaching
2. Why most coaching models are vulnerable to AI
3. Homogenized voices and loss of authenticity
4. Emotional intelligence vs artificial empathy
5. Human connection, embodiment, and truth
6. Why “bleeding” separates real coaches from replaceable ones
7. The rise of the 5% and the disappearance of the rest

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Hello, and welcome to this episode of your ultimate life, the podcast that I've created to help people live a life of purpose, prosperity and joy by maximizing their gifts or talents in their life experience. This is part of the special Thursday edition that started a few months ago, talking specifically about coaching.

And we have a technology explosion going on.

Like we had the Internet explode and change everything and now we have another one like that that's bigger, probably the biggest thing since the industrial revolution in the, in the growth of, in the multiple uses of AI. We're not going to talk about all the possibilities of AI on this podcast just because it's way, way, way too big.

What we want to focus on is how AI is affecting or will affect coaching, that particular profession. And I love coaching. I am one. And these folks are also.

And so anyway, I've got a couple of coaches that are with me that to talk about what they see in this context. So, Glenn and Rachel, welcome to the show.

Thank you.

Thanks for having us.

You betcha. So let's just get started. It's not going to be real formal. We're just going to have a conversation. Rachel, I'm going to start with you.

How are you using or not using AI in the context of your coaching research work or whatever? What are you doing with that?

So I, I'm, I'm seeing it as a, A way of. How do I see it? Like, for, for me, I actually see it as a way of us being able to be uniquely ourselves.

So I, I do work in the coaching field more in the world of energy than actual direct coaching, but I see it as an opportunity to actually allow our true voices to come out and be heard. Because I think what we're seeing with AI is it's great. It can, for me, I use it to.

Yes, if I'm creating content, if I'm creating a sales page from creating something about that I'm putting out there, I will use AI to help me with that.

But I also am aware that often what happens when I am using it is that it cuts out my unique voice and my unique energy, and sometimes it will change how I would potentially say things. So I use it. But I'm also aware that it, if you rely too much upon it, it just becomes a noise and you Become the same noise as everybody else.

And so then you lose your uniqueness. That's my feeling around it at the moment. I like it. I use it. But I'm also.

That if I just become completely reliant on it, then Rachel becomes redundant because my voice and my uniqueness just becomes a melee of what everyone else is saying.

Do you notice? Do you notice? I notice, and I use it a ton.

And I did hundreds, maybe a thousand hours of use and research of 11 different coaching models in the process of writing the book and analyzing their effectiveness and all that stuff. Do you notice in that context of homogenizing voices, that it. That. You know, I used to hear that people had these AI detectors.

You can detect if it's written by AI or not.

And at first that sounded very mysterious to me, but now that I've used it for hundreds, maybe thousands of hours and had it right, countless thousands, maybe even millions of words for me in different ways, I know what that is, and I can see it, and I can tell. I'm an AI detector. I can look at somebody's copy and tell like that. If it was written by chat. Is that what you mean? Are you noticing that thing?

What do you notice that tells you telltale stuff?

What. What I notice is that when I'm reading it, it's like it's not connecting with me. It's like there's something missing. There's like a. There's a.

There's a. There's a. There's a. When someone's really written something or saying something, you can. You can feel it as a truth. And it feels.

I feel something, and I think, what. Sometimes it's just AI. I'm just like. It just feels like these words that have no meaning.

So I want to dig in on both ways, but. No, no, I get it. I have something really to say to that. But I want to get to Glenn first with this first question before we dig more into that.

So, Glenn, you said in the beginning, maybe before we started recording, that you're more in the beginning stages of this, and that's fine. How are you using AI and what do you see it? You. You.

You send me stuff periodically, and one of the things you sent recently about the humanness and stuff was the reason I actually reached out to you to. To have a voice in this process, Right? And so tell me what you're doing and how you see this stuff.

All right, so this is where I'm at. This is very recent. I. I wrote Mindful Illumination, Exploring Stillness, Mindfulness And Kundalini Awakening a year ago, Got it on October 9th.

It became available on Amazon. For the past year, I've been writing, and I want to write a second edition. So I went.

I was at the point where I was going to just write it, and then I was like, I don't want to be behind the computer, to be honest. And then I kind of gave in to the idea. Well, maybe I'll just. I'll put it all into AI and then it'll write my second edition for me.

And after talking to a couple people, my friend Dan was like, glenn, man, this is your work. You know, your signature, your voice. He's like, do the work. I'm like. So I chewed on that for a little bit and I said, you know what?

Yeah, this has to come from me. So I turned the corner. I was going to give in to AI, give it a whirl.

But in the end, you know, one of the marketing things I want to put on my book on the COVID is there were no pieces written by AI this was authentically written from me, by me completely. So, you know, I'm just. I'm a rookie to all this. I'm sure it would do a good job. But I also, as far as accountability, it's.

It would be hard for me to say, this is my book. Is it really your work? If you're allowing AI to accompany your music? Is it really your music?

You know, so that's an interesting, interesting thing. And I want to respond to that because I think there's. And Rachel, you alluded to this also lots of ways to use or have AI.

Some of the other folks that have been on her refer to it as a creative partner. And so what I've done.

And, you know, I've written lots of books, and almost all of them are written without referencing anything else, except I looked up lots of stuff on Google. I read lots of other people's works, and all those things influenced or helped, you know, helped me shape my own thinking.

Just like anything that we learn in. In, like, in your work about Kundalini and other things. So what I do, and I'm just throwing this out there for.

For you and for the benefit of listeners, I don't have AI write anything that is just, okay, good, you wrote it. I'm done. What I do is I'll take a chapter, for example, and I don't write a book unless I have a story arc done. And that's part of the whole thing.

I help people write their books, and I use particular process. But the story arc, I have a chapter and I'll have the heading and the name of the chapter and I'll have the main points that I want to do.

And then I will take that and I'll upload it and the whole story arc and the content of the book. And by then I put in three or four thousand words about what I'm trying to do with the book and what it's for and everything else.

And besides that, AI's got all my other stuff, millions of words.

But then I'll put this chapter and I'll say, so let's look at this chapter and then I'll have that outline in front of me and I will dictate and maybe this long of a thread because I after you dictate it and then you hit whatever transcribes it so I see it's being long and I'll tell it what I want it to say and what's going on. And then I will allow it to give me a suggested draft responding to my the points that I wanted in the chapter and the huge dictation that I gave.

Sometimes longer than a whole chapter's worth. But then I don't have to worry about sounding good.

I just say it, you know, a bunch of stuff and then let it come back to me with a draft and then I'll fix it and edit it and do stuff that I want to with it.

So that's a thought that I have experimented with on the last two books, numbers 21 and 22 in how to use it as a creative partner while still maintaining essentially absolute control direction.

Right, yeah, sorry Glenn, you go first.

I just going to say my first book called Best Foot Forward, I wrote myself the first edition of it and then I had. I was a math teacher for public school for about seven years.

I was all over the place and quite the experience, teaching experience from middle school and high school and adult ed. But anyway, my point is, when I wrote Best Foot Forward, I had a friend who I went to high school and college with who was an English teacher.

I am not a writer. I'll be the first to admit I am not a writer. Yeah, there's a couple books that I authored, but I don't have the gift of what I think is ideal writer.

But anyway, when the second edition, when we put it, we collaborated, we co authored. So when I read the finished product, it was strange because, you know, Ray would put in the onus is on you. And I'm like, onus, onus.

What the Hell is onus. You know, it's not my vocabulary. And, you know, obviously you want to kind of compliment each other, almost like a ghostwriter.

You want to have a kind of a similar voice, otherwise very choppy.

So my point is, if AI, it's almost like a preview to AI, where all of a sudden there might be a word that you never used, ever, and now it's being thrown into your work and it's like, well, that's. Onus is not me. I. I never used that word before. And then you got to say, well, does it apply? Should it be a word that I do use?

You know, does it have merit?

Yeah, yeah. It's a good thought and a good question, and it is a little bit like collaboration. Rachel, what were you saying about.

Yeah, no, it's. It's really interesting because I've used it in a similar way to you. So some. My.

I'll get a lot of my thoughts and ideas and information that I want to share. I speak a lot better than I write. So I often will speak the words and like you say, then trans.

And then it will just come out as, like, it's a transcript. And I find that useful. But what. I then don't. And then I'll put. I will put it into AI and I'll be very.

But I have to be very clear and say, do not change my words here, because like you said, Glenn, like, it will think of it will try and change it or think of it. Or maybe I could say it like this and it'll add words in that I would never use.

Yeah.

And so it's.

It's.

It's useful because it can. I find it useful because it can give you structure and it can give you, like you said, Ken, like, a really good, like, potential first draft.

Right.

But if it's. If it. When it starts trying to do its own thing and, like, take over, then I'm like, ah, no, because then it's. It's not.

I don't feel like I would say that exactly. But then it irritates me.

Right.

So I'm gonna ask a new question. And Glenn, you can go first on this one and you can say more about the old if you want. So what do you see as potential?

And again, thinking about coaching. Coaching will define it. So it can be a lot of things, but let's say coaching is the act of being in the facilitation, encouragement, intentional.

You know, some people call it love. But you're in the business of intentionally being for someone and helping Them encourage some growth.

Thinking of personal trainers, thinking of sports coaches and stuff. So thinking of coaching that way and thinking about how fabulous AI is with words and so forth. What do you see as possible?

You know, I put that initial thing coaching is dead. But what, what do you see as potential worries or dangers in the context of coaching with the emergence and growth of this technology?

Okay, I'd like to share a personal story that happened this summer. So I'm playing pickleball and my friend Rob retired. Great guy. He's got a cyber truck now. I followed quite a bit of social media.

I had no clue that cybertrucks were self driving. I had no clue. So he took me for a ride. He's like, watch this. Push home. The thing drives him home, opens up his garage.

I'm just like, oh, I'm blown away. But you know what blew me away even more was he's like, glenn, watch this. So he touches his display. Let's just call it Sally.

It's AI, Sally the coach. And he says, okay, Sally, I've been, I've been dealing, you know, working really hard, playing pickleball, working, training. I'm finding myself.

My energy is just, I can't keep up, you know, I'm drained. And all of a sudden Sally comes on and let me tell you, cordial, nice, friendly, you know, Rob, you've been really training hard. Good effort here.

And then it advises Rob in what to do. So Sally is a coach. And I'm like, I told Rob I was blown away. And I'm like, this is the first I was hearing of this.

And I'm like, rob, whoever this female is behind the scenes, I want to date her.

Well, that's an interesting thing, the forward. So what I'm taking from that and you can elaborate a little bit more.

Do you think then if she's that good and setting apart the sight, that it was a woman's voice and you might want to date her? Set that aside for a sec. That's a humorous anecdote or not so humorous. Depends on whatever. But she gave good advice, apparently.

And she gave advice that was good for Rob and sounded good and would help him. Was that your experience with it?

It blew my mind. It absolutely blew my mind. And I thought like you months ago. I'm like, you talk about a wake up call. I'm like, there's your coach right there.

You know, there's no middleman. There's no middleman anymore. Just like for insurance, you have an agent, you know, they get, they take a Lot of the money.

The question is, do we need an agent or a coach anymore? Will there be job security? And I just want to elaborate. Some people like myself, I'm traditional.

I do not want to go to the store and go through self checkout. It's not my thing. I want a human being, period. So there will be people, there will be people say, no, I don't want to deal with AI.

I want a human being. I want that human interaction. I want to feel the love here. I want to feel the love. I want to feel, you know, that end of it.

So.

I was blown away. I was blown away. And that, that was a big aha for me. More than the self driving, automatic automated driving, that was impressive.

But the actual experience with Sally blew me away.

So that's, that's interesting because you've identified and Rachel, you get a chance at this in a minute, but you've identified a core thing that I said when I said coaching is dead and I got a whole bunch of people mad at me and said, da, da, da, unless. And then I talked about what it was. But you've identified the core thing, the AI's ability with a pleasant voice in this case.

But whether it's written or speaking, to give good advice, to listen to you completely, to not miss any of the symptoms or things that you're talking about, whether they're physical or mental or whatever, to not miss anything and then to, with all of its vast database to come up with really good suggestions and possibilities is unmatched. No individual can do that because we just can't remember all that stuff.

But what it doesn't do, it doesn't create the intimacy and the truth of human connection.

I'm going to disagree. I'm going to disagree.

Good.

I'm going to disagree.

I'm going to tell you, listen, when I wrote Best Foot Forward for middle school, high school kids, I talk about, I did some research years ago and I basically listened to a lot of professors and what they talked about as far as improving being a better student, about being a successful person. And the takeaway that I learned from was that your eq, your emotional quotient or emotional intelligence is far more greater than your iq.

And there's a lot of reasons behind that. So what I found, a takeaway was there was definitely some emotional intelligence coming from Sally. She was very cordial. She was like encouraging.

And that's what blew me away. And that's why I want to date her.

All right, well, we're not going to go into the dating part.

But what I'm hearing is that there was enough resonance that the part of the blown away was I actually feel something here that I didn't expect to feel talking to a robot.

Yeah.

Rachel, Rachel, would you react to the idea of what are the. The potential. And you can react to anything Glenn said to whatever.

What do you see as the potential concerns for the coaching world in the context of, okay, this new cool thing is happening and apparently it's so good Glenn wants to go meet her. Okay, whatever. Like, talk about that and that. Because that's the truth. You see things online.

Some lady suing somebody, I don't know, some company because she's saying that the chat, you know, led her kid. I didn't follow the details. To kill himself. Which is horrific. Yeah.

So if you think about that level of trust and in intimacy possibility and yeah, maybe someone has to be vulnerable and whatever, I don't know.

But I want you to talk about what are the potential concerns that you see as a coach or a person who is in the business of helping people with this, this thing?

Good question. So, I mean, chat often says it's very encouraging, isn't it?

Like you said, Glenn, like when you were listening to Sally talk, like, she was so encouraging. And I think chat really can do that. And I think often it sort of says what you want it to say, almost. So it doesn't necessarily challenge.

It might give really great suggestions and really great ideas and be really encouraging and really like, which is fantastic. But it can't pick up, like you said, Kellen, on those, like, nuances. So, like, as a human being, if they could see someone was struggling, they.

They would be able to see the warning signs more potentially. An AI isn't necessarily going to see that. So there could be some concern. For me, there will be some concerns there. And what else was I going to say?

If you are someone who is potentially vulnerable or prone to, I don't know, taking these suggestions and, and becoming so reliant on. On. On. On the thing, it could be quite dangerous in a way. You become reliant on. On something that's not actually real.

Can I share? Can I add to that?

Okay.

So unfortunately, in our world today, we have a lot of mental health issues. We have. We have an incredible amount of isolation. I talk about mindful illumination, the island of isolation.

When you're on this island of isolation, the probability of you getting off isn't very good. So unfortunately, there's a lot of people for a lot of different reasons that are Single, they're looking for a partner.

They're frustrated, they're scared, they're fearful. They don't have the skills necessary to create a healthy relationship with another person. Isolated.

So my fear is like, there was a movie with Phoenix. I forgot his first name and he fell in love. What is it?

River Phoenix, I think, I think that was maybe his brother, because River Phoenix passed away, I think.

Go ahead.

But anyway, whatever. Phoenix, the movie where he, he became kind of infatuated with AI it was a big movie and he got drawn into that just like kids.

Unfortunately, we have a big problem with kids and AI. They, they are, they're connected. All of a sudden they're connected to this technology.

And then unfortunately, if technology is like, oh, so a programmer said, hey, we're going to lead them in the wrong path. These kids are so influential. They're going to, they're going to do what they're told through this technology. So that's the scary part.

It is. And I need to stop this part because I don't want to go down the road of the negative things that AI could do in the universe.

That's not, I mean, it's all true. Yeah, it's true, but it's not the. What we're talking about here.

Yeah, we're getting back, so I just want to finish with.

I think we all have a level of feeling separated, isolated, and that is a big flag for us being vulnerable to a technology, AI Technology where we're, we're, we're, we need direction and we're not able to cope on our own merit. We're dependent on the technology.

Okay, so, Rachel, I want you to come back and talk not about the potential worst case pieces, which are real and true, but I want to think about the effect on coaching and the ability. Like, what's going to separate if AI is that good at being empathetic and powerful and knowing everything that it could possibly say to you.

And yeah, I hallucinates and we all know that stuff. But it gets better.

Like, in the seven months it took me to write this book, I saw its capacity double and then double again in just like every three months in terms of its ability to understand exactly what I meant, come back with meaningful and comprehensive answers, et cetera, et cetera. So when you think about what is, what's the danger? Not to people, but to the industry.

Yeah.

Like the, my.

I believe that's why I wrote the book, that unless there's radical change to what coaches do, they're going to be at work and so, but I want you to react to that. Tell me I'm full of crap or that you agree and why and what you see about the industry.

Yep. So I think it might be a bit of a wake up and I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing.

I think it will make coaches, if we just talk about coaches in general, actually look at themselves and go, actually is, have I become a bit of a robot in, in how I am and how I'm showing up as a coach? And actually, can I look at myself here and actually discover the uniqueness within me? You, my unique abilities, my unique skills, my unique voice.

What, what actually, maybe what it's actually doing is giving coaches that opportunity, look at themselves and go, actually, if I do want to keep thriving in this world, this is where I want to show up or where I want to keep being, then what do I need to look at within myself first to be able to really feel like I'm finding my unique voice amongst all of this and showing up as that person. So not hiding behind like a coaching, let's say like model or way of always being over, always having.

Not all coaches are like this, but I think maybe it gives us people who are coaches that opportunity to go, actually, how can I stand out uniquely beyond this and be myself, my energy, my voice amongst all of this? Because actually that's what people will be looking for. They'll be looking for something more unique, more real, more human.

And they can find that when coaches and people in the industry also have that belief and that courage to really say who they are and what they stand for and who they are in the world.

I love that. Rachel, can I add to that, please? So here's the big thing. You know, we talk about niches as a coach, what's your niche? What do you have to deliver?

How can you serve? I know for sure. I am absolutely positive AI cannot coach the way I coach. It does not have my life experience.

I bring something fresh and unique to the table. There is no coach on this planet, there is no AI there that can deliver the way I deliver, period, bar none.

So if I, if I can approach with you as my client and I can present in a way like no other coach has presented before and I can connect with you and I can say, okay, you're at a, you want to get to Z, let's figure out the plan together. AI might have their own way to do it. And maybe, yes, they can take them to Z, but AI will not take them to Z. The way I'm going to do it.

And my way to Z might be much more impactful than an AI.

I agree, Glenn.

Yeah, so that's really good. I'm sorry, go ahead. I'm interrupting you. Rachel, finish.

No, I'm totally with Glenn on that.

And I think AI could potentially get people to a certain point, but actually us in our uniqueness, in the way we do it, we'll probably be able to take people exponentially a lot further.

So let's.

Let me tell you some research I did in writing a book, and I took, like I said, 11 coaching models and I ran them through analysis, and I said, Here's 11 models. And that's not all of them in the world, but it's many of the ones that we've all heard of. And I ask. And the results are.

I wrote about it in the book, too, but I said, how good are based on what you can find, these coaching models, each one of them at getting clients to their desired outcome? So that was the first question. And the second question I ask is, how vulnerable are they to what you. You speaking to chat?

How vulnerable are they to what you can do now and in the trajectory of capability that you know is happening to that? And so I had them do a full analysis of how good they are at getting the result that a client would pay for.

And how vulnerable are they then to AI in terms of its ability to do the same things. And the result, excuse me, wasn't pretty. And existing models of coaching, some were low vulnerability, some were medium, and some were high.

And the high ones, you know their history. The medium ones are probably history too.

But the low vulnerability ones was interesting because then I compared that to how good are they at getting to the desired result? Because remember, we all know this.

People pay money for coaching, and so they have to be able to translate the outcome into something that's worth whatever dollars they invested. We have to be able to see that in the balance. And so, you know, that's the grim part in terms of the models.

The bright light is, you know, after it said all this cool stuff. And like, Glenn, it's. I was impressed and I was impressed with the analysis and how good it was and everything else.

I said to Chatty, I said, look, fine, you can do this, you can do this, you can do this. Fine. What do you suck at? Like, what can't you do?

What?

Where you completely fall apart? What are you not going to be able to do? And I had a lengthy description asking that question every way I could.

And it gave me some really good answers, but the one that just like hit me was coming from what Glenn and what you just said. It said to me, I can't bleed.

Wow. Wow.

And you know, to me that was like, yeah, okay, that is the thing and what I know about watching and I want you guys reaction to this from when, when I see people coach, when I experience I've been involved in many different coaching programs and schools and methods and everything else, I don't see the 90% of people are not relating at the level of bleeding. They are living in a, you know, talking about a thing over there because they're not willing to be at the level of connection.

And those people, they're gone. Those methods, they're gone.

And the only thing that's going to be left, the 5% that are left, are going to be the ones for whom the truth of what they share is evident just as they stand there before they even open their mouth. That level of what I call embodiment, whatever the word is you want to use.

So, yeah, I, I, I, go ahead.

I'm sorry, I think that's what I was alluding to because.

So you said, what I was alluding to before, before Kellen, was that that that is going to make coaches, if really figure out who, who I am and how will it, how will, how far am I willing to go and how far am I willing to go for my client and help them bleed in that sense and help them really get to where they really get to a deep, deep, deep, deep level. And I think that's a question for coaches to potentially think about. Sorry.

No, you're good.

Well, here's my gig. Knowings lived my life. You talk about bleeding. I bled and bled and bled and bled so bad twice I had to be hospitalized because I hit rock bottom.

We're talking ground zero. Six feet under ground zero. And people say, glenn, okay, you've been there twice. How the hell did you get here?

AI doesn't have anything on me at all I will not be able to relate to. So in a personal level, I have my journey. AI does not have a journey. It's been programmed. Whatever. I have a journey. No, no other coach.

No one has that under their belt. And this is my, this is my, like my, my weapon. My sword. This is something, this is, yeah, my superpower. My superpower.

And there's a lot to learn from this because you too can use some of these skills to help you get out of your six foot under position. The thing is, I love Diana Nyad, who swam from Cuba to Florida at age 63. She said, Find your shore.

And when I wrote Mindful Illumination, I. I share a lot of possibilities and I say, hey, man, I don't know what's going to work for you. Find your shore. Find your shore. So, anyway, back to the bleeding. That's where the learning is. When you. When you hit, when you suffer.

And you have to build resilience. There's no other way around it. You have to build resilience. AI won't know what the hell you're talking about. They can speculate, whatever.

But I love what Russell Brand said. He said, why are we here? Why the hell are we here? We're here because we. It's all about connection. It's about love and connection.

AI has nothing on us. Nothing when it comes to that.

Absolutely. So Rachel looked like you were exploding with something to say.

No, I was just excited. Excited by what Glenn was saying because he's. That's. That's.

I actually think, having had this conversation now, it's actually giving us potential for even further connection because people are going to start craving it more, I think. Yes, AI has these amazing abilities, but actually what it also is making evident to us is that actually we're going to start craving even more.

I think real, true human experiences and connections. And I think you said something.

I'm sorry. Finish.

No, carry on. Go on.

No, you think what? I want to know what you think.

Oh, no, I can't now. I've lost my train of thought.

So here's why. You said something that just sparked. Here's the thing you said twice now.

This is an opportunity where coaches are going to have to come face to face with the truth. I can't hide behind crap anymore. I can't hide behind frameworks and tools and things I learned. It's going to get down to what Glenn said.

The truth of my being, when I help people write books, what I tell them is the most powerful gift you have is the story of your own becoming. Because besides that, you don't have anything. And so what I think is there's three barriers, and I want you guys to react to this.

The three barriers are going to keep coaches from making the choice to go all in. And number one is the head in the sand problem. And that is we're going to pretend. Some are going to pretend that it's not that big a deal.

It's not that bad. It won't be that. Yeah, whatever. I'm already. That. I'm already here. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

The human part, they're going to say all those words and so they're going to have the head in the sand until they get washed away by the tsunami. That's number one. The second problem is what I call the anti problem. Think of a big casino.

There's all these blackjack tables in it and they're all $10 tables.

And you want to go sit down and you realize that all the seats are taken up by robots and the only place that there is for you to go sit down is in the high roller room. And the sign above says the ante. There's 10,000 bucks.

My experience, what I'm trying to express with that analogy is the ante to get in this game or stay in this game just went up a thousand times because all of that low level stuff that was at that, you're gone, you're done. The third thing is the choice to be in the mode of continual growth, of continual striving. That's work, that's hard work.

And my experience is most people are not prepared for that work.

So between head in the sand, the ante haven't gone way up to get in this or stay in this game and the difficulty of truly being engaged because if we as coaches are not a product of the product, we've got nothing to share. So I see those three things as being the main reasons why the big majority of that big they're gone. What do you guys think about that?

Can I share? Something that comes to light is the fact that how cool is it if you're my coach and I say, hey man, this is what I'm dealing with?

Man, this is what I'm dealing with. And you say, glenn, I've been through that too. AI is not going to say, hey man, I've been through that too. There'll be a disconnect.

It might offer great advice. Great. But listen, man, if you tell me, Glenn, I've been through that too. All of a sudden I'm like, okay, you got me. How the hell did you get out?

What'd you do? What's your story? What is your story? I want to know.

Can, can I relate to that story and it's going to help me move forward here if we, you know, my dad, my dad, unfortunately, he went through a very alcoholic period in his life and he was able to turn his life around and he became an aftercare counselor for drug and alcohol users, abusers. And his weapon was he's been through it. He's been through it.

Thank you so Rachel, what are your thoughts about those three barriers? Are they right, are they wrong? Do you see other ones? What do you think about that?

I think there will be some people who will potentially feel like, oh, maybe, maybe there will be some people who go, do you know what? Maybe this isn't for me anymore. And maybe that's okay. Like, they'll. Maybe they will move on to something else.

I don't even think some. I think it's a huge number, but keep going.

Yeah. And yeah, then maybe that's an opportunity for them to go. Actually, maybe there's something maybe they weren't loving.

Because I think, I personally think if you love what you do and you know, you're amazing at it and you, you absolutely 100% want to give, serve and support the world, this is not going to stop you from doing that. AI is not going to stop you.

So maybe those people don't love it enough or maybe it's not their passion and maybe this is giving them the opportunity to go, actually, what is my passion? Yay, let me go and find that instead. And they might find that and it might be another iteration of coaching, I don't know. So we can.

We could see it as an opportunity for people to go, actually, I'm bored of this now and I'm not really enjoying it. Let me see what my next iteration is. So there's that.

And then I said, and I think it gives us, of us who are completely unique and fully, like, passionate about it, the opportunity to just actually go even deeper with people. And so I see that as a good thing. Was there a third? Was there a third?

Barry, it doesn't matter. I just wanted you to react to the idea. I think we're gonna have to. I guess I'm treating that not as trivial. I'm thinking that as the new bar.

Your willingness and ability to go. To be there and to be that thing.

Yeah. And to be raw.

Yeah.

That's the entry point. Yeah. And truthful. And not rely on.

Because sometimes when you see it's like, like coach or copy coming up on websites and things anymore, it's like, oh, it's the same old boring stuff that that's being said. And you. So you just don't connect. You don't tune into it anymore because it's just saying what everyone else is saying.

It's not really saying anything.

Ads. I'm still. I just saw an ad last week. Be a life coach. Pick some dudes, some gals sitting on a beach chair. Work from anywhere.

Make a difference in people's lives, have the exciting career as a life coach. And my answer is robot. Yeah, that's one of the. Now we're gonna have $10 tables.

You know, you can have robots teaching people how to be life coaches.

And so that's it. Beautiful.

I want to. I want to add, Steve Hardison said being is everything, and he said the highest state of being is love. Love is the highest state of being.

AI will not be able to produce that. Our conversation. There's a love there. There's a flow there. I don't think AI is going to be able to produce that. I don't.

And the other thing is, there's. There's such subtleties, like, you know, if I. If I'm coaching someone and you picked up on this, if there's a hesitation, we can go, oh, okay.

You hesitate. There's something there. Let's. Let's. Let's analyze that. Let's, let's. Let's talk about that, because that. That could be very important.

I don't know if AI is going to have that ability. We have this higher intelligence. We have three brains. We have our brain in our head. We got a brain in our heart, and we got a brain in our gut.

I don't think AI has that.

So we're getting to our time, and I want to give you one more chance. So, Rachel, what. Didn't you say that's really important for you to pour out of your heart into this convo?

I think what. It's that human connection, isn't it? I think AI will never be able to match that.

And I think that ability to connect with our intuition and connect on a. On. On a. On a profound level is what I think actually is going to start strengthening for those of us who are prepared to do it.

Allow ourselves to bring that uniqueness out of ourselves. Our intuition, our own, like. Like ability. Connect. Like Glenn was saying, you know, hear those undertones and actually ask a question. That, that.

Or bring up something. You know, bring up something that you just know your gut wants to say when you're in front of a client.

AI won't be able to do that, and AI can't do that. And so I. I think it really gives us the opportunity to shine, actually, and be that beacon that. That rises above all the, The. The. I just call it.

It's a bit like. What's the word? I'm thinking it's just. AI delivers stuff, but it doesn't. It's not necessarily going to have any profound energy beneath It.

It's just going to be words and advice, but it's not. It doesn't have any true emotion behind it.

I love the energy behind it. I love that. So you get a chance to say whatever you didn't say yet that you.

Think, okay, well, there's two things I think it's going to be. I think a client would say, do you like your coach? And there'll be clients say, I love my coach. I love my coach. I have a hard time believing.

They say, I, I love artificial intelligence. I think it's kind of strange. I don't think there'll be a love there. They might say, I get a lot out of it.

But to say, I love artificial intelligence, I don't think those. Those words will be spoken.

You said you wanted to date Sally, but go ahead.

Well, you know, it's all good. I don't think there's love there, though. I don't think there's love there.

Go ahead. I'm just.

But the last thing I want to share is the. The big question is we have a progression that's going to happen. We have AI, there will be AGI, and then there'll be asi.

So the question is this advancement, potentially exponential advancement, where is that going? That's the big question mark. How good will asi, artificial superintelligence, how good will that be? That's the big question mark.

Will it have the capacity to love? I doubt it, but we'll. We'll see.

Well, thank you both. I appreciate you. I want to both thank you. Glenn, thanks for being here with me today. Sure.

It was fun.

Rachel, thank you for sharing your heart, your wisdom, and being here with us today.

Thank you.

So I got one for you. I got one for you. I love you guys.

I love you, too. And I say that to my listeners all the time. And that's fabulous.

And I hope they feel it and hear it and let it resonate.

And you know what? I do love you. And you can't do anything about it because it's my choice. Anyway, I want you guys to listen to this again and think about it.

You know, this series of episodes was designed for coaches and those interested in it and decide for yourself if you are willing to be in that 5%, if you're willing to be there, because those people are going to be in higher demand. And the truth of that authentic connection is going to be needed and real.

And as this technology gets better and better, its ability to simulate and to cause those feelings, which is just neurotransmitters and stuff emerge, its ability to do that is going to increase. And so we as coaches, we're going to have to ask ourselves, what are we willing to do to create and to give? And I'm all in.

And let there be no mistake about that. But it's time to ask yourself about how you how you view this as part of creating your own. Never hold back and you'll never ask why.

Open your heart in this time around.

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