How much money do you really need to retire?
$2 million? $5 million?
The problem with those numbers is simple: whose retirement are we talking about?
Two people can have identical portfolios and need dramatically different amounts depending on their spending, Social Security, pensions, housing, taxes, retirement age and other income.
In this episode of Retire Free, I show you a simple four-step framework for finding your retirement number:
1. Estimate your annual retirement spending
2. Add up your reliable income — Social Security, pensions, annuity income, etc.
3. Subtract that income from your spending to find the gap
4. Divide the gap by an appropriate withdrawal rate
That's the basic math. How Much Do You Need To Retire …
Then we look at a hypothetical couple spending $200,000 per year with $45,000 of Social Security income. Their portfolio needs to cover roughly $155,000 annually, putting their target near $3.9 million at a 4% starting withdrawal rate.
Reduce spending to $180,000, however, and the target falls to roughly $3.4 million.
A relatively small lifestyle change moved the retirement number by approximately half a million dollars. How Much Do You Need To Retire …
We also cover:
• Why the 4% rule is a starting point, not a guarantee
• How Social Security fits into the calculation
• Why $4 million in a pre-tax 401(k) isn't $4 million of spending power
• RSUs, stock options and company-stock concentration
• Healthcare costs
• Why you should stress-test retirement against bad markets, inflation and longevity
• What to do if you're 5+ years out, 2–3 years out, or already retired How Much Do You Need To Retire …
Your retirement number isn't somebody else's headline. It's the number that supports the life you actually want to live.
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Hey, folks.
Jeff Kikel:Welcome to another episode of Retire Free, here on Exit Rich, Retire Free.
Jeff Kikel:This, of course, is a show for those of you out there that are trying
Jeff Kikel:to plan retirement and trying to figure out how to reach what you
Jeff Kikel:call or what I call freedom day.
Jeff Kikel:So on today's show, we're going to talk about the magic number.
Jeff Kikel:How much do you really need to retire?
Jeff Kikel:The funny part is, if you watch the financial press, if you talk to your
Jeff Kikel:buddies at the coffee shop, if you talk to the folks around the water cooler at
Jeff Kikel:work, if there is that anymore everybody's going to have their own opinion, and truly
Jeff Kikel:it does differ with every single person.
Jeff Kikel:When I watch the financial news and read the financial news, every
Jeff Kikel:few months, a headline tells you the number you need to retire: two
Jeff Kikel:million dollars, five million dollars.
Jeff Kikel:And every time, I s- think the same thing: whose number is that?
Jeff Kikel:Nobody lives on an average.
Jeff Kikel:So today, I'm going to give you a number.
Jeff Kikel:I'm going to give you a way to find yours, and it fits onto the back of an envelope.
Jeff Kikel:This is not that complicated.
Jeff Kikel:So picture two executives at this point with the exact same portfolio.
Jeff Kikel:Each of them spends $120,000 a year.
Jeff Kikel:The other…
Jeff Kikel:or one of them spends 120 grand a year.
Jeff Kikel:The other one spends 300,000 a year.
Jeff Kikel:One has a pension, the other does not.
Jeff Kikel:One has a paid-off house.
Jeff Kikel:The other is carrying a mortgage into their 60s.
Jeff Kikel:Same balance, completely different retirements.
Jeff Kikel:So the first question is not how much do I need?
Jeff Kikel:The first question is how much do I want to spend, and how much
Jeff Kikel:of that is going to be covered by something other than my portfolio?
Jeff Kikel:That one change turns a mystery into arithmetic.
Jeff Kikel:Your retirement number is just the size of the portfolio, that can
Jeff Kikel:fill the gap between your spending and your guaranteed income for as
Jeff Kikel:long as you are likely to need it
Jeff Kikel:So here's the framework.
Jeff Kikel:Step one, estimate your yearly spending in retirement, including taxes.
Jeff Kikel:Then skip, or then step two, list the income that shows up
Jeff Kikel:no matter what the market does.
Jeff Kikel:Things like Social Security, pensions.
Jeff Kikel:If you have an annuity that's gonna generate an income
Jeff Kikel:stream, include that as well.
Jeff Kikel:Step three, subtract the second from the first.
Jeff Kikel:So subtract your guaranteed income from what you need.
Jeff Kikel:That's the gap the portfolio has to fill every year.
Jeff Kikel:Or step three, you're gonna subtract that, and that's the gap that it has to fill.
Jeff Kikel:Step four is you're gonna divide that gap by the withdrawal rate, and
Jeff Kikel:you get the target portfolio size
Jeff Kikel:Now let me show you with made up numbers.
Jeff Kikel:A couple wants to spend $200,000 a year before taxes.
Jeff Kikel:They expect about $45,000 a year from Social Security
Jeff Kikel:combined, so the gap is 150,000.
Jeff Kikel:At 4% withdrawal rate, which is a safe rate of withdrawal
Jeff Kikel:150,000 or 155,000 divided by .04
Jeff Kikel:gives you about 3.9
Jeff Kikel:million.
Jeff Kikel:At 3.9%,
Jeff Kikel:it's just under 4 million.
Jeff Kikel:So now watch what happens when you get honest about spending and decide you can
Jeff Kikel:live comfortably on $180,000 instead.
Jeff Kikel:The gap drops to 135,000, and the target falls to about 3.4
Jeff Kikel:million.
Jeff Kikel:A 10% change in spending moved the target by roughly half a million dollars.
Jeff Kikel:That's why spending is the biggest lever in the entire plan, bigger than picking
Jeff Kikel:the right fund, bigger than market timing
Jeff Kikel:Now, one withdrawal rate that you hear is 4% rule.
Jeff Kikel:It's a good starting point, not a guarantee.
Jeff Kikel:Morningstar's 2026 research put a safe starting rate at 3.9%
Jeff Kikel:for a 30-year retirement.
Jeff Kikel:Fidelity talks about a range of 4 to 5%.
Jeff Kikel:If you retire at 58, you may want to be lower because the
Jeff Kikel:money has to last longer.
Jeff Kikel:If you're flexible and willing to trim spending in a bad
Jeff Kikel:year, you might go higher.
Jeff Kikel:And on Social Security, be honest with yourself.
Jeff Kikel:The formula is built to replace more than a, a lower earner's income
Jeff Kikel:and less than a higher earner's.
Jeff Kikel:For a senior executive, it often covers a modest slice of lifestyle, but it
Jeff Kikel:is inflation-adjusted, which is good.
Jeff Kikel:It lasts as long as you do, and it does not care what the market is doing.
Jeff Kikel:Go to the Social Security website and pull your own estimate.
Jeff Kikel:It takes about 10 minutes
Jeff Kikel:Now, one, the balance of your statement may not be the balance that you spend.
Jeff Kikel:Uninvested RSUs or unvested RSUs, underwater options, shares locked
Jeff Kikel:behind trading windows, they all look like wealth on paper, but they carry
Jeff Kikel:risk and usually a tax bill before they turn into spendable dollars.
Jeff Kikel:Two, concentration.
Jeff Kikel:If a big chunk of your net worth is one company stock, the one that
Jeff Kikel:you work for, then your retirement number depends on one business.
Jeff Kikel:A bad year at the wrong time changes the math fast.
Jeff Kikel:And three is taxes.
Jeff Kikel:Four million dollars sitting in pre-tax 401is not four million dollars of
Jeff Kikel:spending power, because every dollar that comes out is ordinary income.
Jeff Kikel:The mix of pre-tax Roth and taxable accounts matters
Jeff Kikel:almost as much as the total.
Jeff Kikel:The mistake I see most is guessing at spending instead of looking at
Jeff Kikel:twelve months of real statements.
Jeff Kikel:I hear this all the time.
Jeff Kikel:Clients will come into me and I say okay, what is your--
Jeff Kikel:what's your budget monthly?"
Jeff Kikel:I think I spend around three thousand dollars."
Jeff Kikel:"Okay, then you would have eighteen million dollars of savings at
Jeff Kikel:this point if you only spent three thousand dollars and you make
Jeff Kikel:two hundred and fifty a year."
Jeff Kikel:So we know that's not right.
Jeff Kikel:I make them go back and actually write down a budget of exactly what they spend.
Jeff Kikel:That helps us get started from where we began.
Jeff Kikel:You gotta treat your-- you gotta tell yourself the truth at the beginning.
Jeff Kikel:Second is treating healthcare as just a footnote.
Jeff Kikel:When Fidelity estimates a couple retiring at sixty-five, they're gonna need around
Jeff Kikel:three hundred and forty-five thousand dollars after tax throughout their
Jeff Kikel:life, and that doesn't even include long-term care counting uninvested equity
Jeff Kikel:as if it were cash, and never stress planning or stress testing the plan.
Jeff Kikel:What if the first five years of returns are weak?
Jeff Kikel:What if inflation runs hot?
Jeff Kikel:What if y-will you live to ninety-five?
Jeff Kikel:You don't need to pass every test with room to spare or…
Jeff Kikel:But you do need-- you should know if one breaks the plan,
Jeff Kikel:what are you gonna do about it?
Jeff Kikel:So if you're five or more years out, you want to start tracking your spending.
Jeff Kikel:Pull your Social Security estimate, run the four steps at a couple of withdrawal
Jeff Kikel:rates, and if you are two or three years out, build a real month-to-month
Jeff Kikel:budget for a year, one that you know will cover the first few years.
Jeff Kikel:If markets are down, if you're already retired, revisit the number once a year.
Jeff Kikel:As I tell my clients, a good plan is the one that you follow when
Jeff Kikel:the market's and the news is scary
Jeff Kikel:So if you want help working out your own number alongside your equity compensation
Jeff Kikel:and your timeline, that's exactly what we do here at Freedom Day Wealth.
Jeff Kikel:The full write-up with sources and everything regarding this
Jeff Kikel:is also on FreedomDayWealth.com.
Jeff Kikel:I'll include that in the show notes the link to the blog article for this.
Jeff Kikel:And I'm Jeff Kikel, exit rich, retire free.
Jeff Kikel:This is for education and not investment advice, but if you'd like to talk through
Jeff Kikel:your own plan, you know where to find me.
Jeff Kikel:Thanks a lot, and we'll see you guys back here the very next time