In this episode, Doug and Dr Talia talk to Susan Gold, endurance athlete, A-List Talent Agent, and Author of Toxic Family: Transforming Childhood Trauma into Adult Freedom. As Susan shares her journey through childhood abuse, navigating a marriage and divorce from a narcissist, as well as deep diving into her own healing work and leaning in to a brutally honest life, we offer a trigger warning. Listener discretion is advised. Her wisdom will astound you and her narrative will inspire.

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