I’ve got one more holiday movie for ya… Today, we’re heading back to 1989 and spending the holidays with the Griswolds. National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation is one of those movies that somehow gets funnier—and more relatable—the older you get. From family chaos and workplace letdowns to the impossible pressure of a “perfect” Christmas, this episode is all about why this movie still hits decades later, and why it’s never really left the seasonal rotation.

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Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie, and welcome to

Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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I've got one more holiday movie

for you today we're gonna head back

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to 1989 to spend the holidays with

the Griswolds National Lampoon's.

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Christmas Vacation is one of those

movies that somehow gets funnier

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and more relatable the older

you get from family chaos and

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workplace letdowns to the impossible

pressure of a perfect Christmas.

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This episode is all about why this movie

still hits decades later and why it's

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never really left the seasonal rotation.

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My guest today is Doug Greenberg.

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Doug, thank you for joining me

for season two of Retro Made.

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How are you doing?

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Doug: Hey Katie.

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I'm doing great.

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Thank you so much for having

me, especially for this one.

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I was shocked when you gave

me the list of what was left,

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that this was still on there.

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I don't know how this wasn't

one of the first picked up.

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Katie: There's a couple that I'm

surprised, I am now nearing the end.

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And there's a couple, more unknown ones.

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But yeah, it's, there

have been a few surprises.

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Doug: Well, , I will say when

you did send me the the list,

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it was earlier on in the year.

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It wasn't exactly Christmas season,

so maybe people weren't jumping

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at Christmas movies just yet.

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Katie: yeah,

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Doug: You know?

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And even me, when, when I picked

it, I was like, I love this movie,

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and I, I can't wait to cover it.

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But, you know, it's like the summer.

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I don't have that Christmas feel yet.

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So, but here we are.

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Here we are

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days before.

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Katie: Christmas as when you listen

to this, Christmas will have passed,

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but as we're recording it, Christmas

is in a few days and we'll talk about

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it when we get into the episode.

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But Doug what's new, what's going

on in your world of podcasting?

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Doug: My only real active regular

podcast right now is the one I do with

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Ryan, the Frank Stallone, who is this

guy podcast where we do a deep dive

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into Frank Stallone and kind of try to

figure out what's going on behind that

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psyche of his, like he's, he's a little

he's a little out there, you know,

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Katie: Really you don't say

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Doug: I, I I sure do.

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It's, yeah.

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So we pour through like his Instagram,

his his interviews that he's done like

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over the past, you know, decade at least.

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He's quite an eccentric character

you know, from, from living in his

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brother's shadow to trying to make it

on his own merit in a music career.

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So it's, it's fun to, to

dive deep into who Frank is.

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Katie: That's a very

generous way of putting it.

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Doug.

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That's kind of you.

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Doug: Yeah.

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Yeah, he's, he I guess the, lately,

I guess more so, than earlier he's

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gotten more into politics, which

that stuff kind of gets old and

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boring and he's far too angry.

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So, we kind of breeze past a lot of that.

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So we tried to get into, I mean, a while

back he was talking about workouts and

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you know, going on dates and everything.

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So that's the fun, Frank.

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That's the, we, we don't like Angry Frank.

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Angry Frank is, you know, he's better left

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somewhere back in the seventies.

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Katie: shadow.

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He's living in that

shadow and he hates it.

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Doug: Yeah.

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He really does.

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He, he kind of blows it off and he

will never admit it, but, it kind

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of peaks out from time to time.

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We get deep.

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We get deep, we analyze everything that

Frank says, so, yeah, check us out.

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Katie: And it's called, name the

podcast again, the title of it.

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Doug: F Frank Stallone, who is this guy?

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Katie: Check it out, everyone.

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All right.

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Now, Doug, this is your first time

on season two for John Hughes.

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We have a wheel of trivia

categories to spin.

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The new version of the time capsule.

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And we're gonna open the

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And I will tell you guys, if you're

listening, if you want more pop

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culture trivia from 1989, check

out the , uncle Buck episode.

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That was also from 89.

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Doug: Okay, good.

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I'm, I'm very intimidated

by this segment, by the way.

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I suck at this game.

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Katie: Oh, I bet you'll be, I think people

say that and then they're more surprised.

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So

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Doug: was around, I was, I

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Katie: yeah.

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Doug: a lot of this hits home.

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Mm-hmm.

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Katie: Let's see, what category of

pop culture are we gonna come to?

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Okay.

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We have VHS vault.

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I'm gonna give you clues unless

you guess them out of nowhere.

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The top video cassette rentals in 89.

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So you're gonna Blockbuster

or whatever your, your local

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video store was in, in 89.

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Doug: So these are probably

movies that were new in 88.

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Right.

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Katie: That's a fair assumption.

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Doug: Okay.

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Katie: Okay.

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Anything coming to mind?

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Doug: Uh, 88 I think.

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Beetlejuice Goonies, I think was 88,

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Katie: Good guesses.

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Good guesses.

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Doug: I don't know.

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I'm drawing a blank.

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I'm not good with ears.

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Katie: Here's your clue alone.

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Warrior faced towering odds.

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Doug: Oh die Hard.

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Katie: Yes.

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Die hard.

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Doug: All right.

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All right.

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to a good start.

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Katie: you are off to a good start.

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I just remember, did you ever watch

friends like Joey and Chandler?

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Doug: Oh, big.

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I was a big fan of friends.

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Katie: was an episode where

they're , super into die diehard,

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and they're like, well, what

else would you wanna watch after?

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Diehard too?

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And they just,

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Doug: Yeah.

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Katie: into it.

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Okay, the next one, a band of rebels

defied authority on horseback.

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Doug: Band a horseback throws me.

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Katie: Ryan's a big fan of this

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Doug: it's a Western.

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Oh, young

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guns.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Doug: Okay.

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That's actually a lot earlier , than

I remember young guns being.

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Katie: You thought it was in the nineties

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maybe?

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Doug: I did.

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I did.

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I mean, younguns two perhaps.

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Katie: Yeah.

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There was also like a young

writer's TV show that sometimes I

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conflate with young guns, and that

might've been in the nineties.

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I don't know.

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Doug: Yeah, Ryan would've

got that right off the bat.

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So,

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Katie: Well, you're doing well.

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Okay, next

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Doug: all right.

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Katie: An underworld conspiracy

unfolded in ink and paint.

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That's kind of

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Doug: say, and under

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Katie: an underworld underworld

conspiracy unfolded in ink and paint.

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That's a

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Doug: That's, that's

rattling me in, in pain.

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Katie: It is.

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It is animated

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Doug: I'm not getting it.

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Katie: Jessica Rabbit, like a sexy.

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Doug: Jesus.

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Yeah.

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Who framed Roger Rabbit?

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Katie: Yeah, that was a hard one.

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Like that, that clue

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Doug: Ink and Paint.

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Yeah.

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That was, man.

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Yeah.

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I wish, I wish the, the cl I, I'm a

huge fan in, in fact me and Ryan had

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talked about you know, me doing a Robert

Ekka podcast somewhere down the line.

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Katie: I'm obsessed with Robert Ek

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Doug: are you?

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Katie: yeah, I love, I love

all his, I'm, I'm a big fan.

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Like I didn't realize it until now.

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I'm like, oh my God, I

love all of his movies.

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Mm-hmm.

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Doug: I know when you look

at his, at his filmography.

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Obviously Roger Robinson EK is

film, so, I should have gotten that.

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Yeah.

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I wish the clue was a

little more, you know,

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Katie: Usually I will say it's, this

is unusual because normally the clues

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are like far too easy, I think, and

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Doug: Yeah.

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Oh

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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Katie: All right, next one.

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Prehistoric Lost Travelers

sought a Mythical Haven,

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also animated.

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Doug: Oh wait.

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Pre mythical haven.

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That's not a,

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oh man.

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The dinosaur

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Yes.

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It's so cute.

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It's

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Doug: Yeah.

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With the, the, the one dinosaur dies

and everybody, it's, you know, very sad.

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What the hell's it called?

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I keep wanting, say land of a loss, but

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Katie: it it's the land.

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Doug: land before time.

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Katie: before time.

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Very good.

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Very good.

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Okay.

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All right, last one.

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This is interesting.

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There must have been, I,

well, I won't say too much.

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Okay.

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A timeless tale.

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Found New Life half a century later.

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So this was a re-release of the movie.

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Must have been a recent

re-release of an old classic.

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Doug: Half a century.

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So 50 years before 88 would've been 38.

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Not a Wizard of the Wiz,

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Katie: You were on the

right track earlier.

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Doug: the Wizard of Oz.

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Katie: Wizard of Oz.

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Doug: So, oh, wait, so what was the, oh,

it, the Wizard of Oz was re-released.

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Katie: It must have been

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Doug: Oh.

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So, oh, the original must

have been re-released.

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Oh.

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Maybe for 50th

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Katie: for the 50th anniversary.

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Yep, that's exactly, it

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Doug: Oh.

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I thought like a,

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Katie: In

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Doug: like the Wiz was

like a re-imagining of it,

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Katie: it was, yeah.

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Doug: but, Oh, okay.

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So the re-lease of the, oh, that makes

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Doug: Okay.

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Katie: You did very good, Doug.

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Let's see what other

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Doug: helped me, you helped

me a lot on that one.

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Katie: Let's see.

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We come to say

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Doug: say what,

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Katie: which is popular

sayings slang terms,

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stuff like that.

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Doug: Catchphrases kind of

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Katie: Yes.

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Oh, I didn't know.

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This coined in 1988.

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This euphemism refers to the use

of the expletive starting with F.

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Doug: I mean, there's only one.

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Katie: Yes, but it's a

euphemism for the word.

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It's like this is a slang term apparently.

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That was coined in 88.

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So it was popular in 89.

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I didn't know that it was coined in 88

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Doug: Hmm.

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Katie: on f blank.

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Doug: fuck Buddy.

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Katie: Well, that too that probably came

beforehand before 19 in the eighties.

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F bomb is the answer.

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Doug: oh F Oh, just the letter F.

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Katie: F bomb.

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Doug: Oh, yeah, yeah.

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All

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Katie: of saying like

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the actual word, fuck.

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An, you know, like

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Doug: It would call be called the F-bomb.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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All right.

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All right.

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That, wow, that's interesting.

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Katie: First recorded in 1987.

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So this was popular in 89.

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This term described the act of sitting

around and watching television all day.

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Doug: Couch, potato

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Katie: Couches, correct?

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When it's a different word.

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Doug: couch.

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Katie: Like a verb couch.

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Doug: Oh.

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Couch surfing.

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Katie: Yes.

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Couch

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Doug: Couch surfing.

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Okay.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Doug: All right.

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Katie: Now this one, it says, this

term popularized in 89, refers to

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taunting or boastful comments made to

intimidate or provoke . An opponent

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often in like sports and stuff.

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Doug: Like a dis

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Katie: Yes.

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It's um, trash talk.

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Yep.

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Doug: Oh.

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All right.

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All right.

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Katie: Yeah, yeah.

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Alright, I think we have

time for one more category.

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You're doing very well.

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Doug: That was a tough,

that was a tough category

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Katie: Was, I know I, there's a few more

and I was like, let's, let's move on.

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What do we have here?

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. Big screen time machine.

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So similar to VHS Vault,

except this is the, the top

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movies at the theater in 1989.

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Doug: All right.

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Katie: I'm looking to see

if you guessed any of them.

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Doug: Batman?

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Katie: That's the number one.

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Batman didn't even need a clue.

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Doug: No, that that

one I, I remember well,

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Katie: Yeah, that, that

did encompass like 89.

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That was like a whole big thing.

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Okay.

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A globe trotting academic followed

in his father's footsteps.

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Again, it's a little cryptic

because otherwise it gives it away.

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I will say it's a sequel

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Doug: Indiana Jones,

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Katie: and which,

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Doug: Oh.

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The last Crusade.

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Katie: yes.

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Yes.

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Mm-hmm.

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This next one is also a sequel, a

Reckless Partnership Thrived Amid Chaos.

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Doug: Reckless partnership.

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Not a lethal weapon.

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Was it

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Was it lethal Weapon two?

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Katie: Two.

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Yep.

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We, the Weapon two.

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Doug: Alright.

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Katie: Let's see here.

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An infant had a lot to say.

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Doug: Yeah, baby, look who's talking?

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Katie: Yes, you're, yeah,

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Doug: was one of my favorites, man.

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That was one of my favorites.

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Katie: I really liked it too.

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I really liked John Volta,

I guess at that time maybe.

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Doug: yeah, yeah, he was,

he was very funny in that.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Charming.

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Okay.

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There's one more, and I loved this one.

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An invention turned a backyard

into a perilous landscape.

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Kids movie.

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Doug: Backyard.

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Oh honey Ash shrunk.

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The kids.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Doug: Yes.

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Katie: Yes.

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Doug: You know, I I think, I think,

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what were they?

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It was Batman, Indiana Jones.

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Katie: Letha weapon.

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Look who's talking.

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Doug: And honey, I shrunk

the outside a lethal weapon.

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I saw all four of the other ones

in the theater when I was a kid.

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Katie: You know, I,

yeah, I think I did too.

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Doug: I was a huge Indiana Jones fan long

before that, so that was just perfect.

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Yeah.

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So I remember vivid memories of that.

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Good stuff.

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That

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Katie: thank you for playing.

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Are you in the mood now for 1989?

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Doug: It brings me back, let's go.

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Katie: Alright.

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Before we get into the movie this

season, I'm covering John Hughes.

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So I was curious if you have any

particular thoughts about him in

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general, or, when you realized that he

was responsible for all these iconic

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movies from the eighties and nineties.

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Doug: Yeah.

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I've seen a lot of them

growing up, loving them.

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Not even realizing John Hughes, you

know, there was one man behind all of

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the movies that I loved in my youth, you

know, I mean, you know, I didn't see the

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Breakfast Club when I was eight years old.

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But, you know, the older I got, I saw that

Ferris Bueller, you know, was very early

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Doug: you know, loved that stuff.

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But all, all those kind of

movies like just struck me in

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a, in a certain way and then.

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You know, realizing it was John

Hughes that was behind them all.

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I was like, oh, I guess, I guess

I'm a John Hughes fan, you know?

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And, those are the ones

that he was directing.

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Now the other ones that he wrote you

know, that he didn't have a directing

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hand in, but he was still behind.

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A lot of those, I fell in love with

two, and I was like, and when I

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realized, honestly, I didn't realize

a lot of them, he was responsible for,

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until I'm listening to your podcast.

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And I was like, wow, wow, wow.

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And it's, you know, it's just all,

you know, I'm, I'm a John Hughes fan,

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without even realizing John Hughes had

his fingerprints all over so many of

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these iconic movies from those days.

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Katie: Same.

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There've been several surprises.

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But, but yeah, I think

Breakfast Club, 16 candles.

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Those are the ones I really, that come

to mind when I think of John Hughes.

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Doug: Yeah.

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But he, but the, the other ones

that he wrote and produced and stuff

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like this, for example, you know, he

didn't direct it, but he is behind

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it, you know, fully, has his hands

elbowed deep in, in this story.

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And I mean, that's

this, this is a classic.

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Katie: It is.

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And so speaking up, shall we get into

National Lampoon's Christmas vacation?

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Doug: Can't wait.

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Katie: So this was released

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And I don't think I realized,

but it's not surprising.

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I just took note of that.

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The principle of photography started in.

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My neck of the woods in Summit County,

in the mountains like Breckenridge

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and Silverthorne and Frisco.

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And then they moved, the scenes

at the Griswold house are

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actually on a set in Burbank.

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But

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Doug: Right.

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Yeah.

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In fact, their, their house and the house

next door have been in TV shows and movies

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like, you know, for years before this.

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Katie: yeah, I think one of my, I

think Margo and Todd's was like all

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the lethal weapon movies, wasn't it?

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Murtaugh's House, I wanna say.

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Is that

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Doug: Yeah.

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In fact, I saw an interview with Chevy

Chase where he said that they moved the

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toilet from a member lethal weapon when

the toilet blows out of his, out of his

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win, there was a bomb in the toilet.

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I dunno if you're, I mean, it's

an iconic lethal weapon scene.

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But the toilet ends up landing, it blows

out of the house landing on the front

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lawn, and it was like a landmark kind of,

you know, just leaving the toilet there.

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But when this, when they

started filming this, they had

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to move the toilet, obviously.

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So they moved it behind the

bushes of the Griswold house.

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And when Chevy Chase fell off the roof on

that one scene, he landed on the toilet.

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Katie: No way.

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I didn't know that.

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Good tidbit.

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It is rated PG 13.

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It's a 7.5

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IMDB rating, which is really high.

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As I'm doing more movie reviews,

I would say that's pretty high.

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It's gone on to become a Christmas

classic, but it originally,

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I guess, had mixed reviews,

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Doug: Even now, I, I hear people

say that it's not that great.

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I don't know if it's like an

oversaturation thing and it's

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just been, done to death.

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But, I mean, is this like a

regular watching experience

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for you Every Christmas.

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Katie: I think so more lately.

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And obviously I think like doing

the podcast I have a sharper eye

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and I watch things in a different

way than perhaps I used to.

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And I notice that until I'm really

paying attention and taking notes

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on a movie that I missed some stuff.

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But I did notice a lot of things.

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I find this movie so much

more relatable as an adult.

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Like then as a kid, a lot of the

stuff that I find hilarious now,

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I'm like, I, it didn't, didn't

quite catch me when I was a kid.

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So maybe, maybe people are like

just remembering that it wasn't that

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funny 'cause they were a kid and,

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uh, I don't know

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Doug: Well, you kind of empathize with

Clark and Ellen at this stage in life.

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Right.

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Katie: exactly.

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Doug: their point of view of it,

especially Clarks like, it's, it's wild.

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Katie: Exasperation.

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I'm like, I get it.

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You know, when he kicks

everything and goes

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nuts with the, when the lights don't work.

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Like I, I'm like, I feel you, Clark,

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Doug: Yeah, you, I told you before

we started, I was putting together

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my daughter's kitchen set, and I'd

be lying if I said I didn't get, get

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a little Clark Griswold while I was

putting it together here and there.

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Katie: all those pieces

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Doug: Yeah.

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it's dropping screws, screw roll

rolls under the the cabinet, and I'm

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like, God dammit, you know, getting

pissed off and yelling and yeah.

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So me, me and Clark are simpatico

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at this point in life.

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This has been a regular watch for me

since it came out, me and my brother

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are really close and we have two cousins

who are about the same age as us.

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Very, very close with them.

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And starting very early on in our our

lives, we used to get together just

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a week or two or you know, sometime

in the month of December to spend a

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weekend at, at one one of our houses

and just watch all our favorite

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Christmas movies, Christmas cartoons

and we've carried it on to this day.

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We still do it and we involve our kids in

it and mean now it becomes more of like,

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'cause my brother moved to Massachusetts

and my cousins are scattered all

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throughout like New Jersey hours away.

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So, it's usually like the one time a

year where we can all get together.

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So it just becomes more like catching

up and like hanging out than it

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does watching the Christmas movies.

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Although we do still put them on.

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But they're more in the background.

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But I mean, we grew up sitting in

front of the TV watching this stuff

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for hours and hours and hours.

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We're talking like the classic

cartoons and all the classic

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movies that you can think of.

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And this one was

definitely in the rotation.

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Still is, but it, it wasn't just

limited to that get together.

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I watched this probably 5,

6, 7 times every Christmas.

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Katie: Really?

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5, 6, 7 times I

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Oh, okay.

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Wow.

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Doug: I've, I've seen this hundreds,

hundreds of times in my life.

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Katie: I didn't realize that

you were such a fan like that.

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I didn't know that.

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And that, okay.

525

Helpful to know.

526

Also, I love your tradition with

your brothers and your cousins.

527

That's, that's really sweet.

528

Doug: it was, we always, you know,

dreamed that we'd involve our kids

529

too, so we're not, like, our kids

couldn't give a shit about the movies.

530

They just hang out and they

go . Putts around town or whatever.

531

Like now they're, they're teenagers,

but yeah, but we, I mean, it was

532

always revolved around the movies.

533

Now it's, you know, there's

alcohol involved and

534

Katie: I mean, of course.

535

Doug: back then we were kids.

536

It was just like, it was

about the movies, man.

537

It was

538

Katie: Mm-hmm.

539

Oh, the simpler times.

540

That's really sweet.

541

I like all those Christmas memories and

I, I guess I felt watching this again,

542

we'll get into the cast and the director

and stuff, but since you brought that

543

up rewatching it last night, it really

took me back to Christmas as a kid.

544

The way their families get together

and wearing festive clothes and the

545

big decorated tree in their downtown.

546

And then going to the mall

to buy presents and all the

547

Christmas trees and decorations.

548

Christmas was so magical when you're a

kid and it's just a little different as

549

an adult, you know, we've been beaten down

by, the hustle and bustle of modern adult

550

life it's been helpful to watch some of

these Christmas movies to help, you know,

551

kind of help me get back into the spirit.

552

Doug: Yeah.

553

Nowadays it's a rat race, you know?

554

And the second Thanksgiving ends, it's

like you snap your fingers and Christmas

555

is here, but when we're kids, it's

like the second Thanksgiving ends, you

556

start preparing for Christmas, you're

like, when is Christmas gonna come?

557

We forgot that some, somewhere,

558

somewhere along the lines.

559

It, it, you know, we,

we forgot to enjoy it.

560

And every year me and my

wife even talk about it.

561

Like we, we try to slow down and, and like

get ourselves into the Christmas spirit.

562

You know what I mean in

fact, you'll like this.

563

We enter a house lighting

competition every year.

564

And I, yeah, yeah.

565

I'll, I'll share a picture of my

house in, on your retro made page.

566

But

567

I do like a, I do my roof,

like the griswolds with,

568

I line

569

Katie: that's awesome.

570

Because that's become a thing

too, like you griswold to your

571

house, like it's like a verb now

or a thing that people talk about.

572

Doug: I always wanted to my, my whole

life, and I was married previously, and

573

my ex-wife, she never let me go all out.

574

But my current wife, she's all about it.

575

She loves it.

576

Yeah.

577

She loves it too, so

578

Katie: Do you have a and Todd next door?

579

Doug: No, every our,

our neighbors are great.

580

Yeah.

581

Everybody's though I haven't

launched a gutter, icicle through

582

their window or anything like

583

Katie: No, no city power

outage because of your house.

584

Doug: No, not yet.

585

Not yet.

586

My, my power of my house has gone out

once or twice, but not, not citywide.

587

Katie: And I hope that you don't

have 10 plugins into one outlet

588

Doug: Oh, no,

589

no.

590

no.

591

That's what caused the powder

outage outage in my house,

592

so I had to spread it out.

593

Katie: Oh, amazing.

594

You guys tell me if you're the type

of Christmas person that, goes big

595

with your house decorations, I have a,

596

Doug: Yeah, sure.

597

The

598

Katie: LightUp things.

599

Yes.

600

Yeah.

601

Send me your pictures.

602

Email me retro made podcast@gmail.com.

603

I'll

604

Doug: There you go.

605

All right.

606

Katie: page.

607

But like you said, Doug.

608

John Hughes did not direct this movie.

609

Jeremiah s Cheick did, are

you at all familiar with him?

610

Doug: No, and I didn't really

look into him much beyond that.

611

Katie: Well, lucky for you.

612

I did.

613

Doug: it's almost as if it's your job.

614

It's your mandate, you know?

615

Katie: he's a Canadian director.

616

Movies you would know

him from Benny and June

617

and He got a Ra nam for directing the

Avengers, not the Marvel Avengers,

618

but apparently, I don't know if you

recall, there was a movie called The

619

Avengers from 1998 with Sean Connery.

620

So he directed that got Ra

621

Doug: Hmm.

622

Katie: for it, res Now for it.

623

And then we talked about him last

season on my Kurt Russell and

624

Patrick Swayze season, because he

directed Tall Tale, which is a very

625

lesser known Patrick Swayze movie.

626

Doug: Mm-hmm.

627

Katie: the nineties.

628

Now, I don't know if you've heard the

stories, but originally Chris Columbus

629

of Home Alone he quit the project after

he realized very quickly that there was

630

no way that he was gonna have a good

working relationship with Chevy Chase.

631

Literal quote from him says, there's no

way I can make a movie with this guy.

632

First of all, he's not engaged.

633

He's treating me like,

shit, I don't need this.

634

I'd rather not work again.

635

I'd rather write.

636

Doug: That's such a shame

because it's, it's a, a very

637

common story about Chevy Chase.

638

So I mean, you know, if you hear

enough of it, you gotta know it's true.

639

Katie: Where there's smoke, there's fire.

640

Doug: the problem is he is such a

brilliant comedic actor that, I mean, his,

641

his career could have been miles and miles

better than what it turned out to be.

642

It was just insufferable to work with.

643

Katie: It's really unfortunate.

644

But yeah, poor Beverly DeAngelo, I mean,

she put up with him for several movies.

645

Doug: I.

646

Katie: So Cheick got this because

after Columbus pulled out, then they

647

tried to enlist John Hughes to direct.

648

And then also they tried to get

George Roy Hill, who did work

649

with Chubby Chase on Funny Farm.

650

He directed Funny Farm.

651

Doug: Actually he would, he

was recommended by Chevy Chase.

652

Katie: that's right, you're right.

653

Yep.

654

And then ch Chase also proposed bringing

Harold Ramis in because he directed the

655

original National Lampoon's vacation.

656

But he was already obligated.

657

He was doing Ghostbusters

two, so he had to decline.

658

And so that's how we have Jeremiah

as Cheick as our director here.

659

Doug: Interesting, interesting.

660

I wonder like how his name came out or if

it was just a 'cause Harold Ramis, Chris

661

Columbus and oh, John Hughes himself.

662

There's a couple in there that, that

have a connection , to this world.

663

And then Jeremiah Cheick

comes outta nowhere.

664

Katie: A little bit.

665

Yeah.

666

Yeah.

667

I mean, we'll pay you money.

668

You just gotta put up with

this guy, take it or leave it.

669

Doug: Yeah.

670

Yeah.

671

Right.

672

Katie: And I'm sure you know, as a big

fan of the movie, John Hughes used to

673

write for National Lampoons magazine.

674

This was a story that

was called Christmas 59.

675

And then it was published in the

magazine, the original vacation movie.

676

Also based on uh, Lampoon's

magazine article called Vacation 58.

677

Doug: Now, do you know vacation 58 was

based on a John Hughes childhood memory?

678

I don't know.

679

Was this, was Christmas of 59

based on that same thing, or was

680

it just kinda invented story?

681

I don't mean to put you on the

682

Katie: Yeah, I don't know.

683

I, I I could venture to guess that

this was kind of based, I think that

684

Hughes bases a lot of characters

scenes comedic happenings based

685

on, experiences that he's had.

686

But, that's just my guess.

687

And did you notice that the label on

the movie reel that Clark finds in

688

the attic was labeled Christmas 59,

689

Doug: Absolutely.

690

Katie: but what year did it actually show?

691

It wasn't 59.

692

Like when

693

Doug: Was it 55?

694

Katie: yeah.

695

Yeah.

696

All right.

697

Excellent.

698

Doug: Because it, oh, somebody's holding

up a sign in the in the, the, the

699

Katie: Yep.

700

Yeah, something like that.

701

Yeah.

702

Now, in terms of the cast,

we'll see if you get this Mr.

703

Christmas vacation.

704

This movie has four, four Oscar nominees.

705

Doug: Oh man.

706

Katie: Can you name them?

707

Doug: I'm gonna guess that uncle

Lewis, I don't I forgot his real name.

708

I'm thinking he was one.

709

Katie: You are right.

710

William Hickey.

711

Who plays Uncle Lewis.

712

Yep.

713

Doug: I know was, was may Quiel.

714

Was she ever nominated

715

Katie: No not that I

716

Doug: Juliette Lewis.

717

Katie: Lewis.

718

Yes.

719

That's okay.

720

Two more.

721

Doug: Man, Randy Quaid, I

don't think was ever Chevy.

722

Chase was Never Beverly DeAngelo?

723

No.

724

Not the kid.

725

Not Johnny Ecky.

726

Was he

727

ever

728

nominated?

729

Katie: you were, on a line of

thought and you were right.

730

So Randy Quaid, it came

up in that episode.

731

'cause I was so shocked

because I'm like, what?

732

What movie was Randy Quaid nominated for?

733

An Oscar for the last

detail, which I've not seen.

734

Doug: Yeah.

735

All right.

736

All right.

737

All right.

738

Good for you.

739

Randy Quaid.

740

Katie: the last one is Diane Lad.

741

Doug: Oh, yeah.

742

Okay.

743

Katie: Mm-hmm.

744

Doug: right.

745

Who was like eight years

older than Chevy Chase.

746

Yeah.

747

And played

748

Katie: Playing his mom.

749

Playing his mom.

750

Yeah.

751

Speaking of her.

752

so obviously, so we have Chevy Chase

and Beverly DeAngelo are reprising

753

their roles of Clark and Ellen.

754

We have new kids, which is the shtick,

which I think is the smart thing

755

since they couldn't keep the original.

756

Just change 'em every time.

757

Is Juliette Lewis is Audrey.

758

And Johnny Galecki is Rusty Griswold.

759

Everybody probably knows Juliette Lewis

and Johnny Galecki Big Bang Theory.

760

He was probably where he got really

famous, but I know him best because he was

761

David on Roseanne and I loved Roseanne.

762

Doug: Yep.

763

Katie: I read a very, very, very

accomplished and well-known Alister

764

auditioned for this part, but

they didn't think he was right.

765

They thought he was far

too not silly enough.

766

Like he was too

767

Doug: the rusty part,

768

Katie: For Rusty?

769

Mm-hmm.

770

Doug: Alister.

771

So you had to be a teenager at this point?

772

Katie: Mm-hmm.

773

Doug: Cory, not Cory Feldman.

774

Is he in like

775

that kind of

776

Katie: No, no.

777

He's Oscar bait type actor.

778

Doug: Leonardo DiCaprio?

779

Katie: Yes.

780

Isn't that interesting?

781

Like those two

782

Doug: That is,

783

Katie: like

784

Doug: no, that would've been, that

would've been an interesting role for him.

785

I remember.

786

Do, do you remember him on growing pains?

787

Katie: Yes, I absolutely do.

788

Doug: Yeah.

789

Yeah.

790

I Maybe He could have pulled it

791

Katie: he, I mean, like

792

Doug: It would've been a different, yeah.

793

Yeah.

794

It would've been a different

portrayal of it, of

795

Katie: definitely I could see though,

I, I feel like I read something like

796

the, one of the casting people was

like, he just is a little too serious

797

or not lighthearted enough or something.

798

So I liked Johnny Gil in this.

799

Doug: Yeah.

800

I thought he was

801

Katie: two favorite.

802

These are my favorite

versions of Audrey and Rusty.

803

Doug: Oh, totally.

804

Yeah.

805

Yeah.

806

I love these two as Audrey and Rust.

807

Katie: But getting back to Diane

Lad, who plays Clark's mom, Nora,

808

she was nominated for three Oscars

known for her roles in Wild at Heart.

809

Alice doesn't live here anymore,

which has come up a lot.

810

That must I, I've not seen that movie.

811

Have you?

812

Doug: No, no, I never really heard of it.

813

Katie: I hadn't either until doing the

podcast, but I feel like it's come up.

814

It must be a very good, well-known

movie and also she was in Chinatown.

815

She played the mother of another one of

my ultimate every men from last season.

816

She, She, played Patrick

Swayze's mom in fatherhood.

817

Doug: Hmm.

818

Do you

819

No, but I'm aware of it.

820

Have you, so do you recognize

her from, it was like, is she

821

Katie: She plays very different from this.

822

She's not a great mom.

823

Like Patrick didn't grow up well,

or I can't, whatever his name was.

824

Jack, maybe.

825

What was his

826

name in that movie?

827

His mom's kind of like, she,

she lives at the casino.

828

She does like,

829

Doug: Oh,

830

Katie: you know, they pull scams

on people, so she's more like,

831

Doug: Like a grifter.

832

Katie: yeah so she, she doesn't

have a grandma look to her.

833

She has like that sexier.

834

I think she smokes.

835

She's in the casino like that,

836

Doug: Was she recognizable?

837

Katie: yeah.

838

Yeah.

839

Yeah.

840

I think

841

Doug: because she's such a, like

a sweet lady in this, you know,

842

it's, it's tough to picture her as

like a, you know, a hard ass mom.

843

Katie: I feel like she's usually

like a sexier role than this, so I

844

think this is more out of character

from what I know her from, I guess,

845

but yeah.

846

But you grew up, like this is

your movie man, so you're like,

847

Doug: Oh yeah.

848

This, this is my only Diane Lan.

849

Katie: that's Clark's mom, Diane l

850

Doug: Yeah.

851

Yeah.

852

Katie: His dad is played by John Randolph.

853

He is like a, you'd know his face.

854

He's a Tony Award-winning character actor.

855

But I read that he was very into

social activism in the forties and

856

fifties, which caused him to be

blacklisted During the McCarthy era.

857

Doug: No kidding.

858

Katie: Yeah,

859

Doug: Sort of shit's

been going on forever.

860

Katie: yeah, yeah.

861

And then at some point, somebody e

eventually reintroduced him and he had

862

a second shot because he has nearly 200

acting credits dating back to the forties.

863

Doug: Wow.

864

Katie: Do you know him from anything else?

865

Doug: I can't say I do, but

I mean, I, I'm, you know, I'm

866

not like a big old movie buff

867

kind of guy, so I, I wouldn't know

stuff from like the sixties or whatever,

868

Katie: I mean, unless it's like

a super classic movie I read this

869

little tidbit is interesting.

870

He originally played Frank

Castanza in Seinfeld,

871

I guess the episode

872

Doug: what?

873

The pilot.

874

Katie: Well, it says the

episode, the Handicap Spot.

875

I don't know if that was the pilot

or not, but he was replaced by Jerry

876

Stiller and his scenes in that episode

were then refiled with Stiller as well.

877

So it must have been

878

Doug: I wonder if that, that's gotta

be, on the internet somewhere, right?

879

That would be, that would

be interesting to watch.

880

I mean, you can't, you can't, like

Jerry Stiller is Frank Stanza.

881

You can't picture anybody else.

882

Katie: Also Jerry Stiller as Carrie's mom

883

Doug: Oh, Arthur Spooner.

884

Katie: Yeah.

885

Yeah.

886

Doug: That's one of my favorite

887

Katie: Carrie's dad.

888

I know.

889

I I really like that one too.

890

And John Randolph's wife, Sarah

Cunningham, died of an asthma attack

891

at the 1986 Oscar telecast ceremony.

892

Doug: Wow.

893

Right there in the theater.

894

She had a asthma attack.

895

Katie: It says telecast ceremony.

896

So I'm not sure what that means,

but like at the Oscars, she died.

897

Doug: wow.

898

Katie: Mm-hmm.

899

Doug: Wow.

900

Katie: That's, that's sad.

901

Doug: yeah.

902

Interesting.

903

Katie: Are you familiar with art

Ellen's dad Played by EG Marshall.

904

Doug: The only thing I, I know him from

is he was the president in Superman.

905

in, yeah.

906

the the, the, Christopher Reeves Superman.

907

Katie: Was he?

908

I haven't seen that in so many years.

909

Doug: I've probably seen

him in other things, but

910

Katie: He's known for 12 Angry Men.

911

And he won two Emmys for his role

912

you've never seen called The Defenders.

913

He played Dr.

914

Arthur Thurmond in the nineties TV series,

Chicago Hope, and he played Joe Kennedy

915

in the 1983 miniseries called Kennedy,

916

Doug: Hmm.

917

Katie: EG Marshall.

918

Doug: You know, if, if I would've

thought harder, I probably would've

919

guessed him as like an Academy

Award winner at some point,

920

Katie: He

921

has this, uh, he has a definitely a look.

922

He kind of reminded me of one of my

grandpa's, . Something about his face.

923

It's kind of like an old

man look from the eighties.

924

I don't know

925

what that means, but,

926

Doug: he, it, it, he reminded me

of my grandpa in a way of, of his

927

like dismissiveness of, of Clark,

and, you know, anything fun.

928

Falling asleep, you know, everywhere.

929

So,

930

Katie: oh, they both fall asleep.

931

Both of the grandpas they're speaking

of which they were watching a

932

parade or there was a parade on tv,

933

what parade were they watching?

934

Doug: I don't,

935

Katie: to be the Macy's, right?

936

Doug: yeah, it, it couldn't have been,

it was a couple of days before Christmas.

937

It had, I mean, and there,

there were Chicago suburbs,

938

so it had to be like a local

939

Katie: Unless they taped

the Macy's day parade.

940

But yeah, it could have just been a taped

941

Doug: Yeah.

942

Katie: a, a, a local, it looked

943

like the Macy's Day parade,

944

Doug: it did with the balloons

and everything, and they make a

945

mention of the balloon like flying

away or something like that.

946

Katie: They do.

947

That's right.

948

Doug: don't know what

other parade has balloons.

949

Katie: Chicago, probably Chicago

has big parades, ala Ferris

950

Bueller, so I don't know,

951

doris Roberts plays Ellen's mom,

Francis, and she was really funny.

952

She's a funny lady.

953

Doug: She is.

954

And she plays a character and everybody

loves Raymond that I, you're supposed

955

to despise and mission accomplished.

956

'cause you know, the, the overbearing

mother character, I understand

957

and I kind of hated her for that.

958

But I mean, it's a character,

but, she's hilarious.

959

She's a funny, comedic actor.

960

Katie: She really is.

961

So yeah, she's obviously known

for everybody loves Raymond, for

962

which she won several Emmys and

I never saw these two TV shows.

963

I, I've definitely heard of

them, but she was nominated for

964

her role in Remington Steel.

965

Did you ever watch that TV show?

966

Doug: No, but back when I was doing

Rocky Minute, a lot of the Rocky

967

characters back in the seventies

were Remington Steel people,

968

you know, like side characters and stuff.

969

Yeah.

970

Katie: A lot of accolades

for Doris Roberts.

971

She won an Emmy for her

role in Saint Elsewhere,

972

Doug: Oh, okay.

973

Katie: which I've heard of but never seen.

974

Doug: That's what, that's

a like a serious show.

975

Right.

976

It's not, not a comedy,

977

it's, it's about a hospital.

978

Katie: it is, yeah.

979

Yes.

980

No.

981

I'm thinking of General Hospital.

982

I think it's a, like a drama series that's

983

Doug: Yeah.

984

I want, I can't imagine her

as like a dramatic actor.

985

Katie: don't

986

know.

987

I didn't, yeah, I didn't note like who she

played, but, but she won an Emmy for her.

988

Whoever she

989

Doug: she must have been, yeah, she

must have been in it quite a bit then.

990

Katie: Mm-hmm.

991

Now we have cousin Eddie and cousin

Catherine Eddie's wife back by the same

992

actors, Randy Quaid and Miriam Flynn.

993

And he was not in European vacation.

994

Mm-hmm.

995

And people missed that.

996

I guess there was feedback

like, where's Cousin Netti?

997

We like Ca Netti.

998

So who's brought back?

999

Because fans really were disappointed

and I think this movie really, I mean,

00:40:26,806 --> 00:40:28,666

I can't imagine it without c Katti.

00:40:28,876 --> 00:40:29,386

Can you?

00:40:30,009 --> 00:40:32,169

Doug: No, he is this movie.

00:40:32,169 --> 00:40:36,849

He is everything funny about this

movie, like all the, the iconic

00:40:36,849 --> 00:40:40,449

things, the shitters full, you know,

like everything comes back to him.

00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:47,589

Um, yeah, I think they, saw what he did

for this movie and they kind of went to

00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:52,789

the well, a little too much because he was

in Vegas vacation, which Vegas vacation

00:40:53,269 --> 00:40:55,279

in and of itself was kind of like a flop.

00:40:56,089 --> 00:40:59,269

But then they, they went on and they

made like a Christmas vacation too,

00:40:59,959 --> 00:41:02,569

which was revolved around cousin Eddie on

00:41:02,569 --> 00:41:02,989

an, on an

00:41:03,019 --> 00:41:03,649

Katie: you are right.

00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:04,849

Yes, you're right.

00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:05,599

Did you watch it?

00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:05,749

Have

00:41:05,809 --> 00:41:06,889

Doug: I've never seen that.

00:41:06,889 --> 00:41:08,029

I had no interest.

00:41:08,029 --> 00:41:09,109

I knew it was gonna be bad.

00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:11,659

It was like a straight

to video kind of film.

00:41:12,379 --> 00:41:12,889

So

00:41:13,339 --> 00:41:16,829

Katie: But if you're Randy Quaid, I

mean, I'm taking these roles all day.

00:41:17,309 --> 00:41:18,779

I, yes.

00:41:18,809 --> 00:41:19,139

Yeah.

00:41:19,139 --> 00:41:22,039

I mean, what else is he, , it's

not like he's Leonardo DiCaprio,

00:41:22,339 --> 00:41:23,209

Doug: No, I know.

00:41:23,209 --> 00:41:25,549

And, and nowadays I don't think

he's doing much of anything.

00:41:25,549 --> 00:41:27,409

He is, he's gone off the deep end

00:41:27,949 --> 00:41:28,249

Katie: Yeah.

00:41:28,249 --> 00:41:31,569

I feel like I've heard he's a little,

a little, a little not quite all.

00:41:32,634 --> 00:41:32,644

Yeah.

00:41:32,644 --> 00:41:32,909

Mm-hmm.

00:41:33,444 --> 00:41:34,614

That's a nice way of putting it.

00:41:35,124 --> 00:41:38,304

Now Miriam Flynn is a Hughes

go-to, you know how the directors

00:41:38,304 --> 00:41:41,034

and writers a lot of times and

producers have their go-to people.

00:41:41,454 --> 00:41:45,234

She was obviously in all the

vacation movies, but also Mr.

00:41:45,234 --> 00:41:47,034

Mom also written by

00:41:47,304 --> 00:41:47,979

Doug: Oh, yeah.

00:41:47,979 --> 00:41:48,219

Yeah.

00:41:48,219 --> 00:41:49,469

She was one of what's her name's,

00:41:49,784 --> 00:41:50,234

Katie: friends.

00:41:50,234 --> 00:41:50,654

Yep.

00:41:50,984 --> 00:41:54,624

And national Lampoons class reunion.

00:41:54,804 --> 00:41:55,854

She was also in that.

00:41:56,064 --> 00:41:57,024

Doug: I don't think I saw that

00:41:57,279 --> 00:42:00,759

Katie: I guarantee you haven't,

I feel like I'm one of like

00:42:00,759 --> 00:42:01,799

four people who's seen it.

00:42:02,449 --> 00:42:02,739

Doug: okay.

00:42:03,459 --> 00:42:03,999

Katie: So yeah.

00:42:04,849 --> 00:42:06,619

Now, now Todd and Margot.

00:42:06,619 --> 00:42:10,199

They're the neighbors, the

uppity like yuppie, uber

00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:11,919

modern, house from the eighties.

00:42:12,369 --> 00:42:12,669

Uh.

00:42:12,954 --> 00:42:13,614

Yes,

00:42:13,909 --> 00:42:14,419

Doug: Uhhuh, huh?

00:42:14,634 --> 00:42:19,714

Katie: so Julia Louie Dreyfuss AK

Elaine Bennis plays Margot, and her

00:42:19,714 --> 00:42:25,267

husband Todd is played by Nicholas

Guest, and I didn't know who that was,

00:42:25,477 --> 00:42:28,217

but he is Christopher guest's brother.

00:42:29,252 --> 00:42:31,487

Doug: I did not realize

that for the longest time.

00:42:32,402 --> 00:42:34,412

I mean, it makes complete sense.

00:42:34,482 --> 00:42:38,442

You know, they have the same last name

and they sort of resemble one another.

00:42:38,442 --> 00:42:38,742

So it

00:42:38,877 --> 00:42:40,257

Katie: Do they, I I

00:42:40,257 --> 00:42:40,737

wouldn't have,

00:42:41,502 --> 00:42:47,232

Doug: Well it, Christopher guess from like

Spinal Tap, you know, he looks younger

00:42:47,232 --> 00:42:49,062

and, and he kind of like resembles,

00:42:49,182 --> 00:42:51,162

Nicholas guessed in

this film a little bit.

00:42:51,162 --> 00:42:56,202

So I, I, I could definitely see how

they could be brothers and yeah, it, I

00:42:56,202 --> 00:42:57,702

didn't realize that for the longest time.

00:42:57,702 --> 00:43:02,112

, They're great as that snobby,

they don't even seem like they

00:43:02,112 --> 00:43:03,792

fit in like a suburban area.

00:43:03,792 --> 00:43:05,232

They, they're like city folk.

00:43:05,487 --> 00:43:08,967

Katie: I think they're, I feel like

they're the, the couple who moved to

00:43:08,967 --> 00:43:10,977

the suburbs and they hate it there.

00:43:11,547 --> 00:43:12,207

You know what I mean?

00:43:12,207 --> 00:43:13,707

They're like, why did we move here?

00:43:14,074 --> 00:43:16,924

Two things, my brain is going in in

two different ways, but regarding

00:43:16,924 --> 00:43:21,304

Nicholas Guest, he is a former

National Lampoon group member.

00:43:21,454 --> 00:43:22,144

So it kind of

00:43:22,144 --> 00:43:23,584

tracks that he got in this role.

00:43:24,084 --> 00:43:27,534

And I don't recall, I watched

MacGyver growing up, but I

00:43:27,534 --> 00:43:29,214

don't recall a robot in it.

00:43:29,754 --> 00:43:32,184

But I guess there was, because

00:43:32,304 --> 00:43:32,994

he,

00:43:33,234 --> 00:43:33,774

Doug: robot.

00:43:34,224 --> 00:43:37,674

Katie: in nine episodes, he was

the robot's voice in MacGyver.

00:43:37,734 --> 00:43:42,624

So at least nine episodes had, maybe it

wasn't like a visual robot, maybe it was

00:43:43,134 --> 00:43:45,834

like, like I, I don't know,

somebody tell me, somebody remind me

00:43:45,834 --> 00:43:46,074

what the

00:43:46,134 --> 00:43:48,594

Doug: uh, like Kit and night Rider,

00:43:48,654 --> 00:43:50,004

kinda like just, you know.

00:43:50,004 --> 00:43:50,514

Katie: feel like.

00:43:51,084 --> 00:43:54,324

But I have this weird, because I

haven't seen this a thousand times.

00:43:55,252 --> 00:43:57,742

In my head, he was David Deney.

00:43:58,777 --> 00:43:59,677

Doug: Oh,

00:44:00,472 --> 00:44:03,442

Katie: I don't know why, like if

I, if someone asked me before I

00:44:03,442 --> 00:44:07,942

re-watched this yesterday, who played

Todd, I would've said David Deney.

00:44:08,182 --> 00:44:08,932

Anybody else?

00:44:09,007 --> 00:44:09,277

Doug: That's.

00:44:09,292 --> 00:44:09,592

Katie: why.

00:44:09,592 --> 00:44:10,702

I don't know where that comes from.

00:44:11,332 --> 00:44:17,512

And then the last cast member to, to

chat about is May Quest, who plays Aunt

00:44:17,542 --> 00:44:19,912

Bethany Clark's 80-year-old senile aunt.

00:44:21,767 --> 00:44:26,092

It was her final film, and of course,

Doug, what do we know her from?

00:44:27,082 --> 00:44:27,862

Doug: Betty Boop.

00:44:27,982 --> 00:44:28,462

Katie: Yeah.

00:44:28,572 --> 00:44:33,232

as the voice of Betty Boop.

00:44:34,312 --> 00:44:35,212

Doug: That's amazing.

00:44:35,312 --> 00:44:36,932

How, how long she was in the game.

00:44:36,932 --> 00:44:39,212

I didn't realize this

was her last film either.

00:44:39,212 --> 00:44:40,022

I mean, it makes sense.

00:44:40,022 --> 00:44:42,902

She, how do you know what

her age was at this time?

00:44:43,592 --> 00:44:44,192

Katie: 81.

00:44:44,192 --> 00:44:47,792

I think she was one year

older than her character.

00:44:48,422 --> 00:44:52,862

Doug: and I think she was

like 20 years older than the

00:44:52,862 --> 00:44:54,002

guy that played Uncle Lewis.

00:44:54,002 --> 00:44:55,922

I think he was just in his sixties,

00:44:56,582 --> 00:44:56,702

Katie: right.

00:44:57,002 --> 00:44:57,222

Yep.

00:44:57,332 --> 00:44:57,722

Doug: that.

00:44:58,442 --> 00:45:03,852

A funny tidbit about may Quiel

and, and her re recitation

00:45:03,852 --> 00:45:05,472

of the pledge of Allegiance.

00:45:06,517 --> 00:45:11,267

She left out the part where it says, under

God she's the only person that leaves out.

00:45:11,327 --> 00:45:13,367

'cause everybody stands

up or not stands up.

00:45:13,367 --> 00:45:16,847

But everybody at Uncle Eddie,

cousin Eddie's the only one idiot

00:45:16,847 --> 00:45:19,697

that stands up and, and puts

his hand on his, on his heart.

00:45:19,977 --> 00:45:22,017

But they all recite the

pledge of Allegiance, but

00:45:22,067 --> 00:45:25,397

she's the only one that leaves

out the words under God from One

00:45:25,397 --> 00:45:27,347

Nation under God, indivisible.

00:45:27,457 --> 00:45:34,347

Because that was an added to the

00:45:34,347 --> 00:45:38,637

said the pledge, you know, dozens

of times without using those words.

00:45:38,637 --> 00:45:41,307

So it was just like natural to her.

00:45:41,622 --> 00:45:44,142

Katie: Yeah, if you ask me to

recite the pledge of Allegiance,

00:45:44,142 --> 00:45:45,372

it, you don't even think about it.

00:45:45,422 --> 00:45:48,722

It's an automatic, so for her growing

up, it was an automatic for her to

00:45:48,722 --> 00:45:51,092

not use the under God, because that

00:45:51,092 --> 00:45:51,752

was added later.

00:45:52,172 --> 00:45:52,652

Yeah.

00:45:52,742 --> 00:45:53,132

Yeah.

00:45:53,462 --> 00:45:54,272

That's how old she is.

00:45:54,672 --> 00:45:57,042

And I also didn't know that

that wasn't added until later,

00:45:57,042 --> 00:45:58,332

but that totally tracks.

00:45:58,677 --> 00:46:00,237

Doug: I didn't either, but yeah.

00:46:00,672 --> 00:46:01,092

Katie: Yeah.

00:46:01,842 --> 00:46:06,402

The music here, there's

a few interesting things.

00:46:06,462 --> 00:46:10,542

So did you notice any music missing

from this That's in the others?

00:46:11,524 --> 00:46:12,844

Doug: Oh, the holiday Road song?

00:46:13,219 --> 00:46:13,459

Katie: Yeah.

00:46:13,459 --> 00:46:15,229

Lindsey Buckingham's holiday Road.

00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:18,229

Doug: Is that, that's in all

of the other ones, right?

00:46:18,604 --> 00:46:23,374

Katie: yes, he, they asked him,

they wanted him to, they offered

00:46:23,374 --> 00:46:26,164

the opportunity to write the theme

for this movie, but he declined

00:46:26,644 --> 00:46:29,854

'cause he didn't wanna get typecast

as the soundtrack musician.

00:46:29,854 --> 00:46:29,884

I,

00:46:30,424 --> 00:46:36,124

Doug: Oh yeah, that's, I mean, what,

what are they really known for?

00:46:36,124 --> 00:46:41,494

Otherwise, you know, Lindsay Buckingham

isn't exactly a a household name in

00:46:41,614 --> 00:46:42,574

Katie: what's the one,

00:46:42,884 --> 00:46:45,074

at that time, no, but

wasn't he Fleetwood Mac

00:46:46,214 --> 00:46:47,084

Doug: is No.

00:46:47,084 --> 00:46:47,594

Is it?

00:46:47,774 --> 00:46:49,094

Katie: I think so.

00:46:49,424 --> 00:46:51,404

Am I completely off my rocker?

00:46:51,704 --> 00:46:52,544

Doug: hold on.

00:46:52,854 --> 00:46:55,084

If that is, that, that's big if true.

00:46:55,354 --> 00:46:57,941

Let's see the guitarist

vocals for rock band.

00:46:57,941 --> 00:46:59,651

Fleetwood Max, son of a bitch.

00:46:59,651 --> 00:47:00,401

You are right.

00:47:01,946 --> 00:47:02,576

Katie: Yeah.

00:47:03,806 --> 00:47:05,066

So I don't know if

00:47:05,076 --> 00:47:06,006

Doug: Wow.

00:47:06,216 --> 00:47:08,226

So maybe not a big solo career, but

00:47:08,436 --> 00:47:09,366

Katie: Yeah, yeah.

00:47:09,636 --> 00:47:13,566

And maybe he was trying to make a

bigger solo career, and therefore

00:47:13,566 --> 00:47:17,256

that's why he didn't want to get

typecast as a soundtrack musician.

00:47:17,616 --> 00:47:18,126

Doug: yeah.

00:47:18,156 --> 00:47:21,156

Listen, I'm gonna need you to go

and erase all the, the ignorant

00:47:21,156 --> 00:47:23,586

shit I just, I just said Right.

00:47:23,586 --> 00:47:24,246

Edit all that

00:47:24,246 --> 00:47:24,696

Katie: see.

00:47:24,696 --> 00:47:25,296

We'll see.

00:47:27,101 --> 00:47:32,356

Um, but the composer

here is Angelo Bar Menti.

00:47:32,896 --> 00:47:33,046

Doug: Oh,

00:47:33,711 --> 00:47:34,606

Katie: I, I like it.

00:47:34,606 --> 00:47:36,466

I like I'm guessing he's Italian.

00:47:36,706 --> 00:47:37,396

Doug: Italian.

00:47:37,756 --> 00:47:39,466

We know how you feel about Italians,

00:47:39,616 --> 00:47:40,816

Katie: yes, it's true.

00:47:40,816 --> 00:47:42,046

I am Angelo.

00:47:42,496 --> 00:47:43,636

Doug: ones named Stallone.

00:47:45,446 --> 00:47:48,441

Katie: Yeah, I like the dark

features and all that jazz.

00:47:48,801 --> 00:47:51,141

So he's not known for comedies.

00:47:51,141 --> 00:47:57,197

This Angelo, he was hired because

Cheick wanted specifically to have

00:47:57,197 --> 00:47:59,357

someone who hadn't done a comedy before.

00:47:59,927 --> 00:48:03,547

And I don't know why 'cause no, they were

like, nobody could have imagined him doing

00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:09,037

this kind of a score because he is most

known for his works with David Lynch,

00:48:10,027 --> 00:48:10,867

Doug: Oh, really?

00:48:11,047 --> 00:48:14,587

Katie: example like Blue

Velvet Mulholland Drive.

00:48:14,887 --> 00:48:18,847

And he won a Grammy for composing

the theme for the TV show.

00:48:18,847 --> 00:48:19,897

Twin Peaks.

00:48:21,787 --> 00:48:21,847

Doug: Hmm.

00:48:21,877 --> 00:48:22,147

It's an

00:48:22,297 --> 00:48:22,957

Katie: who Angelo.

00:48:25,567 --> 00:48:26,707

Doug: I do it again.

00:48:26,707 --> 00:48:29,587

I like, I like that sounds,

sounds really authentic.

00:48:30,332 --> 00:48:34,292

That, that, that's an interesting

tactic to hire somebody specifically

00:48:34,292 --> 00:48:36,452

who doesn't do comedies to do a comedy.

00:48:36,452 --> 00:48:36,782

It's,

00:48:36,827 --> 00:48:37,007

Katie: Yeah.

00:48:37,007 --> 00:48:38,087

Why do you think that was?

00:48:38,762 --> 00:48:39,512

Doug: I don't know.

00:48:39,512 --> 00:48:44,392

To, I mean, I, I understand the, the

idea of maybe getting like a fresh take

00:48:44,392 --> 00:48:46,852

on a comedy from a composing standpoint.

00:48:46,852 --> 00:48:50,452

But I would think you want somebody who,

00:48:52,522 --> 00:48:54,232

who like knows how to do that.

00:48:54,742 --> 00:48:56,957

'cause I mean, if you don't know how

to do that and you, and you're all,

00:48:56,962 --> 00:48:59,512

all of a sudden tapped to score a

comedy, now you gotta do a whole lot

00:48:59,512 --> 00:49:01,192

of research on how to score a comedy,

00:49:02,317 --> 00:49:02,857

Katie: Yeah.

00:49:03,187 --> 00:49:06,577

Unless they were trying to get

some of that, like touching,

00:49:07,387 --> 00:49:09,847

like wholesome, like Christmasy.

00:49:10,732 --> 00:49:11,212

Doug: Okay.

00:49:11,327 --> 00:49:13,907

Katie: That's just my guess, but yeah,

I thought that was really interesting.

00:49:14,486 --> 00:49:17,666

Doug: you know, something though

John Williams, who's one of the

00:49:17,666 --> 00:49:23,086

most famous composers of all time

composed the score A Home Alone.

00:49:23,416 --> 00:49:23,986

Katie: Mm-hmm.

00:49:24,166 --> 00:49:25,846

Doug: Obviously you've,

you've done that one before.

00:49:26,326 --> 00:49:29,146

And so he's not like a typical comedy.

00:49:29,491 --> 00:49:33,301

Composer, but you know, I mean,

that's John Williams though.

00:49:33,301 --> 00:49:34,831

You can't compare anybody.

00:49:35,251 --> 00:49:37,261

You can't compare bad Mente to John

00:49:37,426 --> 00:49:41,266

Katie: that, that was a really touching,

like the theme from Home Alone is a

00:49:41,266 --> 00:49:44,146

really, like touching, you

know, it's not like a comedic

00:49:44,146 --> 00:49:45,996

song, it's to get you feels.

00:49:46,521 --> 00:49:46,911

Doug: Yeah.

00:49:46,971 --> 00:49:50,511

But then, you got like the, the