Summary

Show Notes

1. Being Set Apart and Transformed

• Salvation is a transfer of ownership—giving your whole life to God
• God begins actively working in the heart to bring change
• Advancement in God always produces inner transformation

2. Love Expressed Through Relationship

• Worship and love deepen intimacy with God
• As we love Him, we become more aware of His love
• Relationship is cultivated through ongoing communion with the Father

3. God’s Love Through Discipline

• God’s response to closeness is refinement, not just comfort
• Discipline is aimed at making us partakers of His holiness
• Each person’s process is uniquely “tailor-made” by God

4. The Path of Sonship Is a Choice

• God does not force sonship—He invites it
• Walking as a son requires accepting discipline
• Growth depends on how far we choose to walk with Him

5. Learning to Embrace Trials

• Trials and testing are opportunities for growth
• Thankfulness in difficulty accelerates maturity
• Looking back reveals God’s purpose in every hardship

6. The Fire of God as Love

• God’s fire refines and cleanses those who love Him
• Judgment becomes purification for those who receive Him
• His love removes what is not like Him

7. Trusting the Father’s Process

• Trust is foundational to enduring discipline
• Spiritual maturity produces rest in difficult circumstances
• God uses every situation to reveal His love and build faith

8. Becoming the Bride and Sons of God

• God’s love is relational and purposeful
• We are being formed into a people aligned with His heart
• Sonship and relationship lead into union with Christ

Key Quotes

• “As God thrusts us into a new level, it brings about a change in our heart.” — Dale
• “The more we love Him, the more we experience His love.” — Ken
• “When you draw near to God, His response is to discipline you.” — Ron
• “He disciplines us so we can be partakers of His holiness.” — Ron
• “The fire is His love… it’s refining and cleansing.” — Lois
• “If you want to be a son, you’ve got to accept His discipline.” — Debbie
• “He’ll walk with you as far as you want to walk.” — Ron
• “Learn to thank Him in the trial.” — Ken
• “There is a trust and rest because you know who you have believed.” — Ron

Scriptural References

• Hebrews 12 (6, 10–11)“He disciplines every son whom He receives… that we may share His holiness.”
• Hebrews 12 (7)“Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as His children.”
• James 1 (2–4)Trials produce endurance and maturity
• Romans 8 (14–17)Sons of God are led by the Spirit
• Romans 8 (28–29)All things work together for good… conformed to His image
• Psalm 23 (4)“Though I walk through the valley… I will fear no evil”
• Galatians 3 (28)New creation identity in Christ
• 1 Peter 4 (17)Judgment begins at the house of God
• Hebrews 3 (14)“If we hold firmly… we share in Christ”

Takeaway

Ron:

Welcome to Live Behind the Veil, where we pursue the reality of God's presence and the life that come from walking with Him. In today's episode, we're driving into a powerful and often misunderstood truth. What it really means to grow and into sonship. God's love is not just comfort, and it's not just something we feel.

His love is active. It's intentional. Many times it comes through discipline, testing and refinement. As we draw near to Him, He begins to deal with every part of our lives, spirit, soul, and body, bringing us into an alignment with His heart. This process isn't always easy, but it is always rooted in His love and designed to bring us into the maturity.

As sons join us, as we talk about learning to trust the Father. Embracing His dealings and discovering how even the fire is an expression of His love.

Dale:

As God thrusts us through into a new level, it's going to bring about a change in our heart. You've been set apart for God to begin to deal with you. You've been thrust by Him because when you accepted Him as your savior, you transferred to Him all that you are.

Ken:

The more I worship God. And love Him the more He loves me back. Just creating that relationship of love and ministering to the Father, saying, God, I love you and I love everything You allow me to go through, because in it I feel Your love. And as I do that, His love is ministered back to me that the more we love Him. The more we're gonna feel and experience His love,

Ron:

Ken, you're saying you've had this revelation of God's love and the more you worship and love Him, the more He loves you.

And that's true. You have to get the interpretation of what you're saying because when you worship God and you draw an eye to Him, His response is He's gonna scourge you. He's gonna discipline you. Humans, when you love somebody, you put your arm around him, you give 'em a kiss, you love 'em, and they kiss you back.

They love you and all you know, that's not it. He's looking at our spirits when actually He's looking at all our whole being spirits, soul and body, and He's disciplining us so that we'll be partakers of His holiness. And there's only one way to do that. And that's going through what we have to go through.

And each of one of us has our tailor made. Got us tailor made for each one of us. So I say I love it. I love it 'cause I know that by faith God loves me and that He's working with me. But when you're in the midst of His scourging s , no one loves that it's just rough. But as we grow in that and we actually mature, the scripture says, why do you endure?

You endure. For the discipline of the Lord, and I never could understand that scripture. I go, why do I want to endure for more discipline? That's exactly right. It's the mature thinking of Christ. I don't know if you ever love the discipline. Maybe you do. Maybe you get to the place where you are so trusting the Father and so knowing that everything that you're going through and He's putting you through, it's for your good and it's for.

He wants to grow you up. He wants to you to be a son, and so He knows what it takes to do that.

Dale:

What He is doing is He is being a God to us that nobody understands till you give yourself to Him. He sent His Son as a route that we could follow. That's R-O-U-T-E. We can walk in the footsteps of His son.

We have the route R-O-U-T-E to the right hand of the Father, that we might experience what He experienced and we can tune into the heart that He has and begin to understand our Father.

Ken:

The hardest thing for a man to do is thank God when he is in pain or he is going through a tremendous dealing, whatever that may be, it's a hard thing for him to do that until you have gone through it and look back and realize what God did through that.

Then you really appreciate it. But if we can learn. Every time a need comes up or when we're going through a great trial or testing, if we could learn to just thank Him for the test and the trial, how much further down the road we might be in our relationship of maturity coming into that level.

Lois:

The fire is His love. To those who walk with Him and love Him. It's a refining and a cleansing. It's only negative judgment if you reject Him, fire must start at the house of God. He loves him. He refines him.

Debbie:

Well, like it says in Hebrews, He scourges every son whom He receives, He disciplines. In other words, He disciplines every son whom He receives.

He doesn't want those that are gonna be controlled by others. He wants sons that are going to be in alignment with His heart, with His spirit, and with everything about Him, but you really want that in your heart. Then you've got to learn to accept the discipline along with everything else, because that's part of becoming a son.

Ron:

He doesn't force you. He'll walk with you as far as you wanna walk. And so sonship is more of a decision on your part. It's not a forced thing. So someone could hear this and go, what? Gosh. That sounds, that's sounds really intense. It sounds really rough. Why would I want to experience all this discipline in my life?

Why can't I just love God and be happy and you can.

Debbie:

If you want to be a son, which is a decision that you have to make and you may wanna draw back from it at times, but if you want to be a son, truly a son of God, then you've gotta accept His discipline.

Ken:

And maybe that's what the Word was talking about in Hebrews, where it says he that endure to the end, the same shall be saved.

Saved from what? Saved from a lifestyle that doesn't please God, saved to the uttermost to really know the Lord. There's a lot in that.

Dale:

Our prayers and our worship are filled with that word. Thank you Lord. You've done for me what I couldn't do for myself. We're born into something and that birth changes your mind changes who you are, where you think we're born into neither June or Greek.

Bond or free male or female we're born into that new creation. That's the result of the steadfastness of our Father.

Lois:

And Ron, you said maybe we'll come to love the discipline or the fire. Somebody understood that when they said we are like moths to the flame, I wanna be a moth to the flame. I wanna love everything that brings Christ forth in me.

Mike:

This thing about love and the Father, people just don't see and tune into His heart. How much God really loves us as the bride of Christ. He has a special place in His heart for us because He created us for Christ as His bride, and that's what we're becoming.

Ken:

It all goes back to where are you in your relationship with God?

And that's one of the most important things we can emphasize in really understanding and realizing that His love is always operating in our lives as we walk with Him, because He knows where He's guiding us, where He's leading us. The 23rd psalm is like that, isn't it though? I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I'll fear no evil.

Because my rock is with me, the Lord Jesus Christ's my Lord. And it's very important to really get things in order. I know a lot of new Christians that come into the Lord and then they have an upset and they get all upset and want people to pray for them. And the wisest thing we can do is say, the Lord's gonna show you His love through this testing that you're going through and He'll teach you how to trust Him instead of, complaining or trying to find a way out.

Ron:

I used to look at some people and thought they were very naive because they would go through things and they would be thanking the Lord, and the things they're going through are pretty drastic.

There is a trust and a rest because you. Know who you have believed.

And you know that He's with you and you can go through anything and everything. I think it starts out with the trust, but I think it does grow into an awareness and relationship with Him. But I think there's a requirement as a Father, trust Me son, we're going across the street.

Grab a hold of My hand. I know you don't - you're afraid and you don't know, but you'll be fine. If you can grasp that even in a small part it's the release of your whole life. It's the release of joy that's unspeakable really everything, and a walk with God.

Ron:

As we close today's episode, remember this, God's love is not separate from His discipline. In fact, His discipline is one of the greatest proofs that you belong to Him. Sonship is not forced. It's a decision. A decision to trust Him, to walk with Him and to accept everything He allows as part of His work in your life.

Even in the difficult moments, He is shaping you, refining you, and drawing you deeper into His heart. If you can begin to see His hand in every situation, you'll find a place of rest, trust, and even gratitude in the midst of the process. Thank you for joining us on Live Behind the Veil. If this message spoke to you, share it with someone who needs encouragement in their walk with God.

As always, keep pressing in, keep trusting, and keep walking with Him because everything He's doing is leading you into the fullness of who you are in Him.