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Ever feel overwhelmed about homeschooling?  You’ll find inspiration in Leigh Ann and Jason’s story.  They are homeschooling six kids!!!  They cover how it feels to get started, using analogies like super-bananas, and general principles, like teaching kids to govern themselves.  Also, since Jason is the ambassador concierge at Satlantis, we preview this Nostr/Bitcoin project at the end of the program.  

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:

• Leigh Ann and Jason’s background
• Jason is the one who suggested homeschooling to Leigh Ann
• Doesn’t hurt to try homeschooling
• It is so nice spending time with your children
• They don’t separate parenting from homeschooling
• Their grandfather would quiz the kids to test the effectiveness of homeschooling
• Turning the tables, when your kids know more about subjects than you
• Jason’s personal education experiences 
• Compliments from others about how well behaved their kids are, testament to homeschooling kids socializing with people of all ages
• Managing time, allowing for flow, following the unschooling approach
• Learning is best done through experience, it is not like uploading Kungfu in the Matrix
• Low time preference mentality applied to homeschooling includes investing learning skills, e.g., reading, early
• “Living books”, aka Charlotte Mason method, learning history through history
• The power of choice, e.g., letting kids select subjects they want to learn deeply
• One of their favorites is “Vincent's Starry Night and Other Stories: A Children's History of Art” by Michael Bird
• Self-custody of parenting means kids can explore topics outside of the limited state-dictated curriculum
• Ultimate goal is to prepare kids for the adult world
• All of their kids are in Bitcoin
• Power of analogy … Using the story of “The Super Banana” to explain Bitcoin to a 10 year old
• Teach correct principles and let people govern themselves, let them verify for themselves and live them
• Kids are worth more than Super Bananas (Bitcoin)
• Jason’s journey from outside-in (Bitcoin can save the world) to inside-out (the personal revolution)
• God’s hand guiding us along the way
• Homeschooling is what you make it
• It takes a lot of time investment to find good homeschooling resources
• Leigh Ann’s recommendations: “The Good and the Beautiful”, “Starfall”, and “I See Sam”
• Homeschooling allows parent-teachers to adjust programs 1-on-1 to adapt and fit individual learning styles of each child, contrast with the one-size-fits-all-approach public-school teachers have to use to teach classes of 20+ students
• Strengths, weaknesses and interests … the key is to listen to your kids, do not buy into institutional standards e.g., Common Core or No Child Left Behind (Jason calls the latter socialized education)
• Don’t replicate the system you pulled your kids out of, i.e., public schools, it will stress you out
• Kids naturally want to learn, laziness is a myth

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW:

• Jason’s twitter: @geekigai
• Jason’s Nostr: geekigai@nostrplebs.com or npub1693220pmp0a4c04a0p7hkz874vsxkyfrvtk2yk4zjyj3e4c0ugjs3r4j0c21
• Jason’s book “21 Questions: A Beginners Guide to Bitcoin”, https://a.co/d/0mcMtUC
• Satlantis, https://www.satlantis.io/place
• Bitcoin Chattanooga, https://www.meetup.com/bitcoin-chattanooga/

• Leigh Ann’s recommendations

(1) Full Curriculum:  

The Good and the Beautiful (goodandbeautiful.com)

- K-8 Language Arts - Free

- K-7 Math - Free

*Requires no daily prep time

*Emphasizes family, God, high character, nature, and wholesome literature

(2) Free Printable Early Readers:

- I See Sam (marriottmd.com/sam/index.html)

(3) Literature & History:

- Reading Through History (Charlotte Mason) (simplycharlottemason.com/build-your-own-curriculum/)

(4) Free Math Resources:

- Minimalist Math by Research Parent (researchparent.com/learn/mathematics/minimalist-math-curriculum/) - Grades 1-6

- School Yourself (schoolyourself.org) - Harvard Instructors

(5) Other:

- Book “Vincent's Starry Night and Other Stories: A Children's History of Art” by Michael Bird and Kate Evans

- Curriculum “Starfall”, https://www.starfall.com/h/

• Other
• Hodlween, twitter @hodlween
• Book “Seventh Property” by Eric Yates 
• Book “The Bitcoin Standard” by Saifedean Ammous

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STANDING RESOURCE RECOMMENDATIONS:

Article "Homeschoolers Are Bitcoiners Who Don't Know It Yet" https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/parallels-between-homeschool-and-bitcoin

Tali’s “Quick Start” checklist  https://www.freemarketkids.com/blogs/i-want-to-start-homeschooling/i-want-to-start-homeschooling-quick-start-checklist

Let me just tell a quick, quick story at the end.

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So this is, this is how I, I want, I

was thinking about starting and iron L

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Salvador, and we're at one of these pre

event things before adopting started and I

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don't, I don't, I don't usually walk up to

someone and say, Hey, do you homeschool?

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Like, I don't, like, I don't just do

that to anybody, but somehow we got

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onto that conversation and normally

we tell people we have four kids.

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They go, Oh.

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Wow.

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Right.

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Cause on both sides of our family,

we're the, we're the, the family

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unit that has the most kids.

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Tali: And then

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Scott: Jason just complete,

complete trump card.

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He goes, let me show you this picture

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Tali: and

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Scott: it's got your six kids.

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And I was at Halloween, Jason.

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What was the, what was the occasion where

you had all the special shirts on there?

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Leigh Ann - Jason: so we

went to the Hoddleween,

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um, a party in, uh,

down, uh, near Atlanta,

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Scott: Yep.

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Leigh Ann - Jason: and, uh, we wanted

to, uh, dress up as something that

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would be matching for all of us.

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And so, um, uh, uh, she didn't go and

our little now one year old didn't go.

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Um, he wasn't one year old

yet back then in October.

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But, uh, um, But yeah, myself and my

five oldest, uh, all dressed up in

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orange shirts with a white symbol,

like a, like an icon on the front

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and then a matching word on the back.

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So we had, and these words were,

uh, listeners may, may catch on to

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what this is, things like scarcity,

immutability, divisibility, portability.

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There are all these different,

uh, qualities of sound money.

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Uh, and so it was like,

yeah, there's six of us.

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Well, there's one, um, Oh, yeah,

we didn't do fungibility, because

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I know there's like the book The

Seventh Property, it talks about that.

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But I was portability because I was the

driver, driving everybody down there.

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We were joking that if, uh, if all of

us had been able to go, then our, our

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now one year old would be portability

because he is just crawling and

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scooching all over the place really fast.

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Uh, and then, uh, both she and I

together would be, uh, fungibility.

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Or, uh, because if you have one, you have

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Scott: get one again, get the other one.

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Nice.

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Tali: Very

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Scott: Well, it's just so cool though.

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Six, six kids is awesome.

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We originally wanted to have six and,

and so just, I just can't imagine

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Tali: the dynamics

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Scott: in the house.

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We had a little tighter

shot group than you.

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Tali: They were pretty tight.

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They were pretty tight.

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Yeah.

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Scott: Now with a one year old they're not

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Tali: well, mine is the one you know,

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, we have five.

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Five between 17 and, uh, and 10.

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Tali: Yeah, five in seven years

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Leigh Ann - Jason: So five

really close, one very distant.

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Scott: Right if they're really close

you're going to that you're going

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to costo or wherever you go and

you're and you're just going I need

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Size whatever diapers this diaper

this diaper you get it all at once

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Tali: Yeah,

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Scott: and then when you're

done with diapers You're like

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I never want to do that again.

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But now if you have a break Like that's

the part I don't, I can't relate to

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because now you're like, oh man, like I

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Tali: I Can't redo that.

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I feel like it would be more fun because

you would have more help And you would

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have all the lessons you learned from

the the other five that That you didn't

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know when the five were little so I

think I think I I would have had fun with

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that Um, we had four kids in four years

Not quite five it was less than five.

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Thank you very much.

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It was a year

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Mommy knows.

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Tali: Okay, listen, it was less than five.

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Wait, wait, that's another story.

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Okay, yes, but anyway.

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Here's where I'd

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Scott: like to go though.

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So, Where did you guys start?

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Who, who had the idea for homeschooling?

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Did you do it with your oldest?

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Did you do it all the way through?

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Because homeschooling one kid,

some people are, might be thinking,

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wow, that's really challenging.

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Tali: You've

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Scott: have six.

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So let's help us get inside your mind.

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Who, you have fungibility,

which, whichever one of you,

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this was who, who initiated, who

initiated the idea to homeschool?

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And like, that's, to me, it's fascinating.

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Six kids homeschooling like this.

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

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So, um, I think it was, uh, a little

bit after we were married, Jason,

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uh, uh, uh, started talking about

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homeschooling and said, yeah, yeah,

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that it worked for him.

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Um, he, he did it some, uh, when he

was, uh, uh, uh, teenager, right?

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Early,

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Tali: Oh, baby's

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Leigh Ann - Jason: one year

old has just joined the call.

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Scott: His first podcast.

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Yeah,

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Leigh Ann - Jason: So, um,

Hey, Jason suggested it to me

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I had been, uh, public

school the whole way.

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And I'm thinking if I'm trying to put,

if I'm trying to homeschool and teach

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them as much as I learned in public

school, it's going to be too much.

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It's like, I can't do that, especially

if we're going to have multiple kids.

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How am I going to do that?

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Cause they're all going to be learning

different things at different times.

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And that's just.

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Going to be too much for me because,

you know, I would want to do it and

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teach them everything that, you know,

that, you know, that I had learned,

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like, I'm not sure I could do that.

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Um, but, uh, Jason was patient

with me and he, uh, he kept on,

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you know, just, uh, very, uh, uh,

encouraging it every once in a while.

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He warmed me up to the idea very well.

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And uh, I was like, you know what?

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It's not going to hurt

to try it with our first.

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And so we, we started off basically

like from, uh, From the beginning

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with our, with our youngest.

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And I was like, I started, we are

our oldest, he was the youngest.

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Yeah, I, I started learning about

different, uh, different resources,

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finding different things and, uh, just

eased into it and it kind of took off

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and I never really considered after that,

not doing it because it was so nice.

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It was so nice getting to spend so much

time with our kids and that we were the

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ones who were having that opportunity

to teach them and that closeness in our

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family that I feel like I didn't have, uh,

in my family and Jason didn't have in his.

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And so we, we really have a very

close knit family with very, um,

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strong connections because of,

uh, being able to homeschool.

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It's been a great blessing for us.

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Tali: Yeah.

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, and if I can

add to that real quick, it was, um,

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from our first child and early on,

teaching him things just like, just basic

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things, how to share, what colors were,

different numbers and letters and stuff.

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Starting with the super simple things,

um, don't touch the stove, it's hot.

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And, uh, okay, now clean up your room.

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And it just built up from there till,

okay, this is how you, like, later

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on, here's how you safely search

for information on the internet.

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And later on, okay, well, here's

some, okay, here's this, uh, website.

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Learn, learn, uh, like, we found some

really good free homeschool resources

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online and, uh, and I used that.

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And when, when he was young, oh, when all

of them were young, I looked forward to

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the day when they would be teaching me.

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Uh things that I didn't know that um,

and our 17 will be 18 in in uh, um,

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april, uh, 17 year old Um, he knows

so many more things especially about

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computer programming that I don't know.

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He's like Oh, yeah, I know a little

bit of c and uh, html and javascript

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and i'm like, I know a little html And

I wouldn't be able to do it right now.

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I have to refresh my mind but uh, Um,

and so it's just you start small And

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you build it from there and it just

flowed really naturally as things came

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up, as situations and opportunities to

learn things just came up every day.

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Scott: So you were pretty confident.

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Tali: it sounds

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Scott: to me, you were pretty

confident when you went into this.

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You, you, you, you knew

this was going to work.

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Tali: like when you

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Scott: said,

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, I

was pretty, pretty confident.

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Really, I just see it as, uh, parenting.

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I don't, I, personally, in

my mind, I don't separate

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parenting from homeschooling.

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They are really one and the same.

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Uh, we have conversations around the

dinner table about politics and about

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history, about, uh, uh, religion, not

just our own, but other religions of the

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world, and, um, about Bitcoin, of course.

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Uh, and, uh, and, uh.

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Uh, I mean when we go we go on

talking about lots of things and

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I I value their input It's not

just me unless it's about bitcoin.

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Then it's me talking about it.

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But um, but when it's a lot of other

things They are giving me their input.

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We're doing like our family

scripture study and Our our second,

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uh child, uh, our 15 year old.

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He um, I'm almost 16, but um, uh, he he,

um, He's uh inherited my gift of gab.

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Uh, he, he, uh, he talks

a lot, just like I do.

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And, uh, and so he will give

his, um, input all the time,

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uh, during our scripture study.

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And the vast majority of things

are, I'm just blown away with,

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like, I didn't teach you that.

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You're, you're getting this on your own.

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Thank you.

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I'm taking notes by the way

because you're teaching me

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Scott: right.

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Tali: Mm-hmm

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Leigh Ann - Jason: ah, that is

such a gratifying thing to happen

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when it when uh, what's the the

line from uh, uh, The office my my

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well, well, it seems the turntables

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Scott: Yeah.

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Tali: The tables and

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Scott: turned backwards.

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Tali: I mean,

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Scott: So the relationships, though, Talia

and I have, we've talked about this a lot.

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This, this, this reoccurring

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Tali: reoccurring theme of

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Scott: that parent child bond.

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Mm hmm.

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And not, not having that, uh, separated.

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Did you guys have the support?

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I mean, it's easy now to say that

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Tali: when

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Scott: first started homeschooling,

it was a challenge communicating to

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our respective sides of the family

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Tali: What

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Scott: were doing

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And it wasn't as easy to tell

them some of these benefits.

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Did you guys have the support?

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Even though, so, I mean, even though

you went through public, did your,

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was your family, Leanne, okay with,

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Leigh Ann - Jason: think the first

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Scott: with, with your decision?

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Um, there

were, it was kind of a mix.

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My, uh, my dad every once in a while

will quiz the kids to see what they know.

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Scott: Trust and verify.

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Don't trust.

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Verify.

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, well, he, he

has, he has his standard that he expects

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them to know, but it's interesting

how much they know that he doesn't.

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So, they might not have their

multiplication tables memorized when

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he wants them to rattle them off.

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But they have all these insights about

like, for example, our oldest with

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computer programming that he's, he's

taught himself that he can go into, uh,

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into, um, his own, uh, occupation with it

and take it into, you know, working right

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out of being, you know, an adult age,

because he already has all that training

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that he's, he's been able to gain just

through, um, um, Having the, having the

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ability to teach himself, um, which is, I

think is an invaluable, uh, skill to have

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is the, the ability to learn on your own

and to, to research and to find, you know,

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answers to your questions, to problem

solve and all those kinds of things that

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I think homeschooling really encourages.

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Uh, what I remember from public school, it

was a lot of regurgitation of information.

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You memorize and you regurgitate it.

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And that's kind of the

mindset I think my dad has.

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That it's like, okay, can they

regurgitate the information I expect?

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He sees the regurgitation, the

ability to regurgitate and actual

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education as one and the same, where

they could not be more different.

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Uh, and, uh, yeah.

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So, uh, yeah.

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Meanwhile, on my side, um,

I was partly homeschooled.

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I did kind of a hybrid homeschool,

public school thing, um, uh,

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during half of sixth grade.

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So when I was 11 turning 12, and then,

um, uh, then all of ninth grade was 14,

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turning 15 and, uh, did a hybrid, like I

go to public school for things like choir.

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Um, and, uh, it was in 6th grade I went

there for, for science class and, um,

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I think some language, some foreign

language classes or things like that.

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But, uh, but all the rest of the

time, beginning of the day and at

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the end of the day, I was at home,

but I was pulled out of school.

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My mom pulled me out of

school halfway through.

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There were several reasons why.

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I was dealing with a lot of,

uh, uh, depression and anxiety.

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Um, I, they were diagnosing

me as, uh, ADHD and stuff.

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My mom was like, no, come on.

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But also, um, I just was not learning

well in that kind of environment.

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Um, all the the pressure from Um

performing in front of everybody else

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and being there in these in these nice

orderly rows and stuff I needed to go

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about these things at my own pace um

And then I took a test when I was in 6th

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grade and it was found that I had like

a 2nd grade reading level at that time.

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So my mom pulled me out and said,

okay, now we are going to hammer

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in this ability to read and getting

really good reading comprehension.

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So I was starting at

like 7 in the morning.

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With school while my siblings were

getting ready to go to school.

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I would be sitting down starting I would

then middle of the day, you know go go

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to school for a class and lunch and come

back my mom back up and uh Um, obviously,

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yeah, but yeah, and then I would

continue working till roughly like 10 p.

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m uh at night and And do that not

Monday through Friday Monday through

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Saturday And what summer vacation

there between sixth and seventh grade?

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There was basically no summer

vacation because Yeah, I had a lot

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of catching up to do, a lot of things

that I kind of fallen back behind on.

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Um, then in ninth grade, before

that started, I, um, opted

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into, uh, to, uh, homeschool.

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I said, hey mom, could we do

that homeschool thing again?

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Because I did seventh and eighth

grade back in public school.

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I'm like, I'm kind of missing that.

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I'd rather be, uh, be back

at, uh, in homeschool.

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Uh, but I didn't, again,

I did a hybrid thing.

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Well, homeschool was such a

positive experience for me.

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Um, uh, but then that's when I started to,

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Tali: Well,

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Leigh Ann - Jason: And then, um, uh,

sorry, I keep losing my train of thought.

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Oh, that's right.

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And so when we started doing it, actually,

my mom was okay when we told her, Oh yeah,

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we're planning on homeschooling our kids.

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Um, Or we're starting to now and but she

was okay with it, but at the same time

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she was a math teacher at that time She

wasn't earlier, but she'd become a math

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teacher in a public school and it become

very Positive towards the idea of public

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school and was kind of encouraging us

like well, maybe do maybe do homeschool At

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first and then move maybe in middle school

high school movement to um homeschool.

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I kind of shrugged.

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Is that it?

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Maybe that didn't happen though Um, but

then she's gradually warmed up to it now.

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She doesn't teach anymore.

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Um, but uh, Uh, but yeah, so she's

she's warmed up to it as well Yeah,

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and I think um even with uh, the the

difficulties on my side over and over

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again within my family and outside of

our family, people we meet, people we

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get to know, our friends and stuff, they

compliment us on how smart our kids are.

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Um, I think part of it is just,

uh, being able to communicate in an

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intellectual way is a skill that they've

developed from being homeschooled

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as well, that, uh, People just are

like compliment us on all the time.

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They're so well behaved and

they're, and they're so smart.

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Scott: Well, I think, I mean,

just the example with your,

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your dad quizzing them, Mm hmm.

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One of the things that

Tali and I observed is

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homeschooled kids, not, not all,

I get it to make generalities, but

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generally speaking, homeschooled kids

are able to have a conversation with

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anybody of any age because they are

constantly around people of all ages.

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Tali: And

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Scott: we didn't, we never

baby talked them anyway.

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We always treated them.

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Tali: We just,

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Scott: we talked to them the

way we're talking to you now.

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Tali: But

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Scott: around their siblings at

different ages, around other homeschool

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kids at different ages versus public

school where you are segregating people

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by

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their age, arbitrarily.

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That's just, that's the way it is.

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Then all of a sudden they're

out and now they're interacting

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with an adult or something else.

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And they,

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Tali: they haven't

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been spending,

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Scott: they haven't been spending the

time to, to learn how to socialize.

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So our,

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Tali: when

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Scott: look back on our experience and

people compliment us on our kids, I

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think a huge part of that is just that.

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they don't

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know any different.

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All I knew is this is how

everybody talked to each other.

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And you learned if, if you were

disrespectful to someone, it

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didn't matter what their age was.

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You learned how to, corrected that.

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Tali: And so

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Scott: I think there's something

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Tali: unnatural

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Scott: at the way we, we

segregate kids by age in schools.

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And I think one of the, the

outcomes of homeschooling is

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the opposite of that, where

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Tali: People

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Scott: actually hold a conversation.

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They can do it at work, they

can do it at school, they can

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do it in activities, and so,

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Tali: um.

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Well, I, I'll just add to that.

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I think part of the reason that

public school kids have, compared to

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homeschool kids, have more difficulty

conversing is because most of the

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day they're not allowed to converse.

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They go into a group setting where

they're expected to be quiet.

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And then they're also taught shame

if they ask a stupid question.

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Even though the teacher would say

there are no stupid questions,

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you're just not going to ask a

question you think is stupid.

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So there's no conversation

during learning either.

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It's a very one sided, You know,

I'll teach you, be quiet and

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absorb, and then don't talk to your

classmates because that's disruptive.

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And in between classes, don't be late.

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Go to your locker, hurry up, get

yourself and go to So, most of

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the day, they're not talking.

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They're not having the, the

opportunity to express their ideas

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continually to to expand their ability

to translate thought into words.

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Whereas homeschool kids, you know,

you might have six sitting at a table,

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they will not be shy about yelling out

a question if they're in the middle

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of doing their assignments, right?

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Because my kids wouldn't.

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I mean, it's like, blur right out.

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So I think also, you know, our

homeschool kids just get more practice.

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What,

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are you still

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Scott: on the socialization part?

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Tali: It's not socialization per se.

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I think it's just the opportunity to

practice translating thought into words.

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Because that is a process.

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Scott: They just have

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Tali: communicative, right?

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Scott: Yeah,

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Tali: practice time.

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Yeah, I think so.

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Well, I'll

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Leigh Ann - Jason: yeah,

they're allowed to.

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Tali: Right.

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Scott: Yeah, so let me ask

you another thing, too.

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There's

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Leigh Ann - Jason: think there's a.

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Scott: on my mind about the time at

school, and that is, if someone gets into

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flow, you're basically saying, you have to

be in flow right now, 45 minutes on math.

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It didn't matter for your sleep

cycles out of whack, or you just

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had a bunch of sugary snacks.

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It doesn't matter.

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you're going to break that, and

now you have to be focused only on

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English, or whatever the next subject

is, whatever the bells go off in

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Tali: schools.

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And

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Scott: so my question for you is, uh,

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Tali: It seems to

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me

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Scott: in the, in the home environment,

I want to get, I want to see

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what, if, what your experience was

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Tali: in a

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Scott: home environment, you

can allow the kids, you can say

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you're going to learn math, right?

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You may mandate they learn math

unless you're doing unschooling,

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you can say there's certain

subjects you're going to learn,

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Tali: but

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you

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Scott: let them learn it at

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Tali: a

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Scott: different time of day,

a different time of the week.

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And

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Tali: if

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Scott: happen to be in flow,

you just, you finally got there.

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Tali: You

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can

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Scott: there.

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Guess what?

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Cause that next subject you could just

push off to a different, different time.

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So I think another benefit

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Tali: of what

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Scott: like a lack of structure

in the home, not having that,

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Tali: that regiment,

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the

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battle rhythm

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Scott: these bells going off allows

students to go deeper and learn better

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Tali: when

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Scott: are on the subjects.

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So

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Tali: what's

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Scott: your experience?

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How did you guys choose curriculum?

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How did you guys manage time?

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I mean, tell us what you guys think.

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, we definitely do

more of an unschooling kind of approach.

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Um, one thing though, kind of, um, uh,

kind of going off what you were just

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saying there, a thought I had was, um,

as much as I like this movie I'm going

431

to reference here, uh, uh, there's a

part in the movie The Matrix where, um,

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the, you know, Neo is plugged into, uh,

to the computer and they're uploading

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all this information straight into

his head and he's all, I know Kung Fu.

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Um, and I think that's, uh, Uh, even

before the matrix for decades or so,

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a century or so before the matrix ever

came out, was the idea of like, Oh,

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if we're only possible that we could

just upload information into our minds.

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Um, and we would call that learning,

but the thing is he was able to

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essentially regurgitate Kung Fu.

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He was able to regurgitate all

these, this information, but

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he had no practice with it.

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There were never, it had only been

one direction going into his brain.

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Nothing going out from his own mind,

which is another way that we learn.

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Um, and so when, yeah, when there's

that you know, like, no, I don't

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care what kind of flow you're in.

445

You're, you're having stuff come

in and go out and you're just,

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you're just going, no, no, no.

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You need to now move on.

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You're, that was science.

449

Now we're doing history.

450

Um, and, uh, you know, put, put a stop to

that flow and move to this other thing.

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And, uh, yeah, I think

it's extremely detrimental.

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Uh, and it's not the way the mind works.

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It never has.

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Uh, and, uh, and so I think

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kids to have that Um, that

scenario or that, uh, what's

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the word I'm looking for here?

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Um, that setting, I guess, where they can

receive and give, uh, and at their pace.

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And maybe they're not

quite ready to give yet.

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So they're like, go on.

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I'm still listening.

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Thinking and the gears are still turning.

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They're not ready to give yet because

I don't feel like confidence yet But

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then something clicks and they go.

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Oh, you mean kind of like this and

they start building and they start

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doing and they start teaching and they

and uh They they start learning so

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like actually learning so much more so

Back to your other question, though,

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about, uh, you know, what style we do.

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We, uh, uh, yeah, very, uh,

unschooling kind of method.

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Our main goal with all of our kids, and

now, now with this, uh, one year old, uh,

470

that we have, is get them to the point

where they can, uh, teach themselves.

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So, help them learn how to read is

kind of the first major milestone.

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There's a bunch of other smaller

milestones, uh, in there.

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But when they can read.

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And they're like, you know, I really

wanted to learn about this thing.

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Um, uh, you know, anything science or

history or anything else like that.

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We'll be like, boom, here you go.

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Um, we'd be happy to read it with

you if you'd like, but Sometimes, oh

478

man, there have been times we would

wake up in the morning and like, like

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we should be up before the kids are,

their lights on, what's going on?

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There was one point, actually it was

one point late at night, so it wasn't

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in the morning, it was late at night,

we're getting ready for bed, we already

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put the kids to bed, but now we notice

there's a light on in the stairwell.

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We went to the stairwell, opened up the

door, looked down, like four of our kids,

484

of our five older kids, all sitting on the

stairwell, all on a different step with

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a book open of their own choosing, uh,

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that

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Scott: that's a

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Leigh Ann - Jason: sitting there

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Tali: I

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Scott: you

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took a

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Leigh Ann - Jason: is like 11

PM or something crazy like that.

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Yeah.

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I think we got a picture of it.

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Can you take a picture?

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Oh, I don't know.

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It was several years ago though.

498

But uh, Yeah.

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Dig it up, but yeah.

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And I was like, okay, this is like the

most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

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Nevermind guys.

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I know it's late.

503

I put you to bed a couple

hours ago, carry on.

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And I just closed the door

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Scott: You ever let the

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Leigh Ann - Jason: because

they were in that flow.

507

Scott: were in

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the flow.

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah,

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And uh,

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Scott: Did they ever, you ever

let them teach each other?

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Tali: You know,

513

if one has a flow

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Scott: with one, they want to

tell the others, they do that too.

515

Leigh Ann - Jason: Mm-hmm

516

Scott: Okay.

517

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

518

And, um, yeah, there are

a lot of times when, um.

519

One of our, uh, middle kids will

be working on some kind of project

520

like, uh, creating a game on the

computer or that kind of thing.

521

They need help with something.

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I'm like, well, go, go ask one of your

older brothers who knows how to do it.

523

And they will, they'll ask them

and then, uh, they'll, they'll

524

get the help that they need.

525

And so it's, it's really awesome.

526

It's like, well, I might not know

this, but if I don't, and then you

527

have other people around who might

know, and then also, you know,

528

there are all these other resources

that we can point them to as well.

529

So.

530

Scott: Make your job

531

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

532

And sometimes you're.

533

Tali: Yeah.

534

Scott: yeah.

535

I'm

536

Leigh Ann - Jason: and to your point,

sometimes it's just because we don't

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know that information, but we know

that their oldest brother does.

538

Sometimes though, it's, you know,

I'm working, she's taking care of the

539

baby, and we just can't at that moment.

540

And there's other people

who can then help.

541

But, um, really what this comes down to,

uh, taking it again to a, uh, Bitcoin

542

y, uh, kind of, kind of reference here.

543

Uh, all Bitcoiners recognize the term,

well, not all, but a lot of Bitcoiners

544

recognize the term time preference.

545

That when you have this low time

preference mentality or approach to

546

homeschooling, you work a whole lot

when they're really, really young.

547

Get them to understand how

to read, how to do math.

548

Uh, understand the basis of

science and basis of history

549

and things, just these basics.

550

Thanks.

551

Now they have a little taste.

552

It's like they've, uh, they've

taste tested everything and they

553

know now what, how to get more

of the thing that they want.

554

And they're like, Ooh, I want

a lot more of that please.

555

And a lot more of that.

556

So like our, our third son

has gone, I want a lot more

557

of that aerospace engineering.

558

And you know, he actually just

said to me, he wants to look into

559

becoming a pilot and stuff like that.

560

He wants a lot more of that kind of

stuff in history and not so much.

561

And, and, uh, yeah, all

those kinds of things.

562

Thanks, I, I understand the basics

now, but putting all a lot of that

563

work in first early on makes it

so that it just opens up every

564

opportunity for them, uh, through

the, the later years of their life.

565

And by early on, I mean like how, how

long will it take for a kid to, to really

566

learn how to read and, uh, start getting

interested in and ability able to, and

567

interested in reading nonfiction books.

568

Um.

569

I mean, they, they might still be like

eight, nine, ten, something like that, but

570

we're like really diving into nonfiction,

uh, and, and, uh, that's kind of self

571

guided learning, so self guided, but we

are still overseeing it all, and every

572

day, uh, talking with them about it, uh,

it's, like I said earlier, it's a great

573

opportunity for us to learn a lot of great

things, um, and so we're always being

574

their, their guides, their, um, I don't

know, advocates and kind of walking them

575

through that whole process of learning,

especially when it comes to those kinds of

576

things that like, we didn't know anything

about this, but now we can, now we can,

577

um, learn from them and learn with them.

578

Scott: Yeah.

579

Okay.

580

Help me understand.

581

We did not unschool.

582

I

583

like the idea where they follow

their passion and they do things.

584

On the other hand,

585

Tali: I have some

586

Scott: opinions about things

that should be taught.

587

You can get into money literacy.

588

You can get into whatever,

whatever it is that you want to do.

589

So how do you guys balance that?

590

Tali: Are there

591

Scott: some things that you really want

them to go and they, they haven't selected

592

it on their own, but, you know, so

593

Tali: there's, I

594

Scott: think there's a spectrum

on the unschooling to structure.

595

So help us.

596

Where, where are you guys on that?

597

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, uh, so

that's, that's definitely true.

598

A lot of times I'll tell, tell people

when I say unschooling, I'm like,

599

yeah, that might give you the wrong

idea about what we actually do.

600

We don't let them just run

around outside all day.

601

Although that can be

beneficial as well, sometimes.

602

Like when it snows, like today it did.

603

Yeah.

604

Um, so I usually say it's

like an organized unschooling.

605

So we do have, um, a different,

um, Uh, different learning

606

resources that we pull from.

607

Um, but then they have a lot of, uh, a lot

of freedom to choose, uh, when they want

608

to do it and which resources they prefer.

609

We'll see which ones they gravitate

toward and they're enjoying

610

and then we'll, we'll do those.

611

If we see that there's a, um, a gap in.

612

And the things that they're learning

that they need a bridge and then

613

we'll help them to find that bridge

and get more involved with, uh,

614

helping them to learn those things.

615

Um, a lot of times when they learn,

uh, is dependent on when they're ready.

616

And so we'll say, well,

we need to do this.

617

Maybe even we need to work

on this today or this week.

618

So I'll, I'll tell them, just

let me know when you're ready.

619

And then, uh, and then we'll work on that.

620

And sometimes I've seen like with, uh.

621

with math, for example, will

do, um, uh, one set, one set of,

622

uh, uh, math problems, and then

they'll ask, can I do some more?

623

Because, uh, they had so much fun

with those as they're enjoying it

624

and they're, you know, they're in the

zone and so they want to do some more.

625

And so we'll continue with some more.

626

So it really makes it nice because

There will be some things they might

627

get ahead on, and then sometimes

there will be things they're behind

628

on, but in the end, it all evens out.

629

I think like for us,

that's what I've seen.

630

Um, and, uh, it kind of goes along

with, um, Maria Montessori's, uh,

631

philosophy that you let the children

explore on their own, but when you see

632

there's something that they need and

then you guide them to that need so

633

that they can have that need filled.

634

Yeah.

635

So very heavily guided yet still.

636

Still giving them some, a lot of freedom.

637

Where I thought you were actually

going to go Yeah, yeah, a lot

638

of freedom of choice, yeah.

639

Where I thought you were going to go

actually is, uh, something that she's been

640

doing for years, uh, with all of them.

641

Not since the very beginning, but,

so, for many years, is, uh, the

642

process of going through history,

um, by way of, uh, literature.

643

Do you want to talk some about that?

644

I can.

645

Um, So this one goes along, uh,

some, uh, with, uh, the Charlotte

646

Mason, what she taught about living

books, teaching from living books.

647

Tali: Mhm.

648

Yep.

649

Leigh Ann - Jason: Which means books that

aren't like textbooks that are devoid

650

of, you know, story and life and meaning.

651

So, I guess the way we do it is, we'll

read literature through history and

652

we start at, , you know, early on.

653

And then we'll use, , the Bible

as well as, lots of other novels,

654

literature, poems, um, uh, and, uh, we

even, we even did, yeah, yeah, yeah.

655

A lot of it's historical fiction.

656

Uh, some is nonfiction, um, and one,

one book that I really liked we did

657

was a, um, a book stories of art.

658

So we did an art history, uh, type

and it's this one book that's,

659

that's really nice that has these

stories of different pieces of art.

660

So you get familiar with art through

history as well and the development

661

of art and the, and the stories

along with that with different

662

artists and get to know them.

663

And so you can do that.

664

I think, I think our minds a lot of

times will think chronologically anyway,

665

because we are people, you know, in time.

666

Tali: Mhm.

667

Leigh Ann - Jason: And so, uh, teaching

that way, and you can also teach,

668

you know, music and science and,

basically everything you can teach

669

through, like chronologically so that

your children are learning it in that

670

kind of natural way that other people

through time have learned it as well.

671

Scott: Yeah.

672

The, the power of stories.

673

Come up, I don't

674

know how

675

many times that you can use that.

676

And, uh, do you remember the name of that?

677

You, the name of the art book?

678

You're

679

Leigh Ann - Jason: Oh, wait,

680

Scott: about it though, is

681

Leigh Ann - Jason: never mind.

682

I have it right next to me.

683

Scott: Jason, while she's

getting that, Oh, there it is.

684

Okay.

685

Okay.

686

Tali: Vincent's

687

story Oh, I

688

love that!

689

That is so cool!

690

Leigh Ann - Jason: A

Children's History of Art.

691

Tali: says Michael Bird.

692

Scott: trying to read

the, trying to read the

693

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, Michael Byrd.

694

Yeah, Michael Byrd.

695

Tali: I'll put

696

Scott: a link in the,

I'll put a link in the

697

Tali: show notes.

698

You

699

Scott: know what I, the

other thing I like about it.

700

Well, first of all, I like art.

701

so

702

I think that's really cool.

703

But I also think you guys are highlighting

one of the benefits when you take control.

704

And sorry, Leanne, I got to

go down the Bitcoin thing.

705

I'm going to use all

706

Tali: kinds

707

of Bitcoin.

708

You,

709

when You,

710

Scott: when you self

custody parenting and you're

711

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

712

Scott: of this,

713

you

714

can do a lot of things and the

kids get to learn things that are

715

not part of a state curriculum,

716

right?

717

I mean, I just imagine you, you,

you go there and the teachers and

718

the administrators have an incentive

that kids in a public school

719

do well on standardized tests.

720

So guess what?

721

They spend a lot of time on

whatever you need for that.

722

Versus.

723

Hey kids, we're going to pick up

Starry Night and we're going to tell

724

stories about art or fill in the

blank, aerospace, something else,

725

and letting kids explore topics that

726

Tali: are

727

Scott: outside.

728

So I like what you said

before, you have the base.

729

If you learn how to read and you

learn numbers and you learn your,

730

your basics, you open this amazing

universe for the kids to explore

731

Leigh Ann - Jason: Mm-hmm

732

Tali: things

733

Scott: that they otherwise

wouldn't be able to,

734

Tali: explain.

735

Scott: So yeah, and the

power story, um, very, very

736

Leigh Ann - Jason: Mm-hmm

737

Scott: Are you

738

going

739

Leigh Ann - Jason: One way I like

to think of it is, um, imagine you,

740

uh, and I'm not, I'm not, I didn't

come up with this analogy myself.

741

I heard this once in a, a video I

was watching many, many years ago.

742

But imagine you've just

shown up, uh uh, at a play.

743

Um, except you're, you're backstage

and your time to come on stage is like

744

in five minutes, but you have no idea

what's happened previously in the play.

745

So someone backstage is like, has

to quickly, um, fill you in quickly

746

say, okay, well, she's in love

with him, but he killed that guy.

747

But this guy is actually saying this.

748

And so he's really angry at that

guy and quickly fill in the plot.

749

to then get you ready to

go on stage and perform.

750

what parenting, childhood, Parenting,

parenting children and homeschooling

751

is, you're quickly, roughly 18 years,

it can be shorter than that, but over a

752

period of years you are preparing your

children to go out there into the world.

753

That's the ultimate goal.

754

point so they can be competent adults

and act there on stage and hopefully

755

direct this play that we're all in to go

in a nicer direction than it already is

756

and Ever so a little bit, but you first

have to Inform them about everything.

757

How did the play what's happening now,

which they can see how did it get here?

758

How did it get to this point?

759

And what does that thing mean?

760

Why is this person on

TV saying this thing?

761

What is this thing, the internet?

762

And what is this, uh, this

Bitcoin thing, which like my

763

Scott: Well, I'm glad you brought up that

because that actually wanted to, I wanted

764

to, I wanted to poke this subject a little

bit, even though I'm guessing it's not.

765

So

766

can

767

you, for the audience, this would be

kind of a little of a transition here,

768

Jason,

769

maybe start with you, what you do, just

the high level stuff, what you're doing,

770

Tali: and

771

Scott: then maybe you can touch on, uh,

If we're, you know, where, where you are,

772

Leon, on the, the orange pilling journey

773

Tali: and, you know, are you

774

Scott: tolerating this?

775

Are you,

776

Tali: are you,

777

Scott: are you incorporating

this into your schooling?

778

So touch, touch on the Bitcoin thing.

779

Leigh Ann - Jason: Okay.

780

Actually.

781

Touch on touch.

782

Oh no.

783

Um,

784

Scott: on you.

785

Tali: You,

786

Scott: you, you get 30

787

Leigh Ann - Jason: really.

788

Um,

789

uh, our youngest, our 1-year-old is

now looking at me because he heard

790

the, he heard the magic word Bitcoin,

um, and he just heard it again.

791

He's looking at me like,

oh, oh, I know what that is.

792

Um, every time he sees one of

the, the, uh, Bitcoin symbol, he

793

like wants to reach out and touch

it and, and poke it and stuff.

794

He, he, I think it's early on

there was like the, the contrast

795

of of, of orange and white.

796

I think that's really what it was.

797

But then he sees a symbol all the time.

798

Daddy has it on shirts.

799

And he has stickers on his

computer and, uh, it's, this

800

must be something important.

801

Uh, he's just, he's just one,

he doesn't understand yet.

802

But, um, uh, oh yeah, so I guess

a little bit about my story.

803

So, uh, discovered Bitcoin in,

or went down the Bitcoin rabbit

804

hole, I should say, in mid 2015.

805

Um, so at the time our fifth child,

our only daughter, uh, was, uh, one.

806

And I was just like our, our

little son right, right here.

807

And, um, Oh, yeah.

808

And then it was a few months after

that when I was like, you know what?

809

Let's, let's start moving some

of their savings into Bitcoin.

810

I think that would be a really, that'd

be really, really good for them.

811

Um, and so pretty much since late 2015,

812

have been 100 percent in Bitcoin and

over the years, like if they get any

813

money, they, uh, um, they immediately

want to exchange it, uh, into Bitcoin.

814

Scott: they want to, or

815

Leigh Ann - Jason: so they are, you know,

816

Scott: Like, what was

817

Leigh Ann - Jason: Oh, no, they want to.

818

Scott: They want to.

819

Leigh Ann - Jason: they, uh, yeah,

I even double checked with them.

820

You sure you don't want to

keep any of that for spending?

821

Like I don't have any plans to spend

that in the next like year or whatever.

822

So may as well have it as sats.

823

Um, they, uh, okay, so here's the story.

824

Um, my, uh, um, now 10 year

old daughter, uh, she was four

825

or five, uh, at this point.

826

She didn't really understand what

was the big deal about Bitcoin.

827

Why was I talking about it all the time?

828

And, um, oh yeah, we were also, sorry,

side note, uh, side note to the side

829

note, we were, uh, you know, we do

family scripture study every night and.

830

Almost every single

night for a while there.

831

There was something brought up in like

a bible story or something that i'd be

832

like You know, that's just like what

satoshi said And you know, basically

833

in other words, this is they're talking

about time preference here and uh things

834

like that Oh, you know, this is kind of

don't trust verify and all these things

835

I'll tell you all these connections

to um, and I was getting eye rolls and

836

groans from from everyone um But uh,

but it was still good I think um Anyway

837

though, so my daughter asked me at one

point, so what's the big deal about this?

838

And so I came up with an analogy

to explain Bitcoin to her.

839

She really, really loved, just like

our one year old now, uh, really loved

840

having, uh, a banana, uh, every morning.

841

She's, one of her favorite

fruits was a banana.

842

Well, fun thing about bananas is, you

know, you can buy them green, then

843

they get riper, they get more yellow,

and then they start getting spotty,

844

and then they start getting all brown

everywhere, and then they start,

845

like, really molding and rotting.

846

That's a fun thing, yeah.

847

Yeah.

848

No, that is a fun, that's a fun

fact about, about bananas, yeah.

849

Anyway.

850

It worked really well to make a

connection between Bitcoin and fiat.

851

So I said, I told her, imagine

there was a new kind of banana.

852

Um, but this new kind, I think I

called them something like super

853

bananas or something, I don't know.

854

Where, imagine it's kind of

banana, you get it and it's green.

855

And if you peel it and eat it right

then, it doesn't taste all that

856

great, it's kind of firm and stuff.

857

But if you wait longer,

it turns more yellow.

858

If you wait longer, maybe there'll be a

couple little spots just showing it's kind

859

of sweet there, but it only gets better.

860

It never turns brown.

861

It never rots.

862

It will only get better

and better and better.

863

So And there's nowhere at any

point where the amount that's

864

getting better kind of levels off.

865

No, it continuously, exponentially just

gets better and better and better every

866

day, week, month, year that you store it.

867

So then I asked her to imagine that.

868

Her eyes got really wide.

869

Wow, that'd be so amazing.

870

So I said, oh, yeah.

871

So I asked her, when would you

ever eat one of those bananas?

872

And she said, well, I suppose

only if I really needed to.

873

If I didn't have any regular bananas and

uh, but yeah, I would say for as long as

874

I could I said, okay, great um uh There's

another question I asked her I forget now.

875

Oh, that's actually sorry That

was the second question The first

876

question I asked her was how many of

those super bananas would you want?

877

And she said oh as many as I can

get so I said, okay great Then

878

I asked when would you eat them?

879

Like well, I guess only if I really needed

to third question I asked her was how

880

many and this is the kicker how many?

881

You Regular bananas.

882

Can I give you in exchange for

you giving me one super banana?

883

And she she was like Then she thought

Infinite no, I would never give you any no

884

matter what and i'm like very good girl.

885

You understand bitcoin Bitcoins

are super bananas Dollars and all

886

the fiats are the regular bananas.

887

+They get old, they rot,

they lose their value.

888

The longer you hold Bitcoin, the more, the

sweeter and brighter and better it gets.

889

And her eyes just lit up.

890

She's like, I want all the Bitcoin.

891

I'm like, yes, good job, girl.

892

And, uh, uh, yeah.

893

And so that's when she understood it.

894

Her four older brothers, uh, I already

kind of didn't explain that same way,

895

but you can explain it similarly.

896

Oh, sorry, one year old.

897

slipping here.

898

Okay, he's fine.

899

Um, but, uh, uh, yeah, and so I don't have

to To tell them, you know, like, Hey, you

900

should search from dollars to Bitcoin.

901

No, there's a, uh, a saying, I don't want

this to give away to any listeners about,

902

uh, our religious upbringing, but there's

a saying, uh, in amongst other people

903

of same religious background as us, um,

that you should teach correct principles

904

and then let people govern themselves.

905

And it's kind of a mantra that we've,

uh, or mantra mantra, but yeah,

906

a slogan is kind of that we've.

907

Um, taken to heart that we teach our

children, um, correct principles,

908

just teach them the basic things

and then let them govern themselves.

909

We don't want to just totally

like, all right, throw them

910

in the swimming pool and swim.

911

No, but still, yeah, you

teach them those basic things.

912

Or there's another, there's a quote

we heard early on in our marriage,

913

um, prepare the child for the

path, not the path for the child.

914

And so we, um, We're

still just doing that.

915

So when it comes to Bitcoin, when it

comes to anything else that comes up,

916

uh, recent, uh, political things, uh,

going on, um, we, we teach what we

917

believe are the correct principles.

918

And then we invite them to a verify

if those are correct principles and

919

be live those principles themselves.

920

Scott: That's great.

921

Leigh Ann - Jason: Um, and

so as we've done with, with

922

Bitcoin and everything else,

923

Scott: I love the power of analogy.

924

I,

925

I,

926

I want to use

927

Tali: the, the super banana

928

story.

929

I want some super bananas.

930

Well,

931

Scott: I

932

know you want the super bananas.

933

I want to use the super banana story.

934

Tali: I know.

935

I think we should share

that with our kids.

936

We should

937

Scott: Not

938

just

939

our kids.

940

I think

941

Tali: we're, well, to the,

and everybody else, obviously.

942

We'll give Jason credit.

943

I'm going to share that

in my women's group.

944

Scott: Well,

945

we're going to give, we'll give you

946

Tali: credit,

947

but yes,

948

Scott: think that

949

Tali: the sellers, super

950

Scott: it's, uh, there's so much

power in simplifying something to

951

something that people can relate.

952

And I think that there's a lot of lip

service to that when you go onto the

953

Twitter verse or whatever it is, and

you have your, your meme of the day.

954

Tali: But

955

Scott: sometimes.

956

Tali: The

957

short

958

Scott: memes, they can

959

Tali: capture

960

Scott: really good.

961

Now

962

I've never heard the

super banana story till

963

Tali: today.

964

And I'm really

965

thinking

966

Scott: about

967

naming this episode

968

Tali: Superbananas.

969

it's

970

Scott: Leanne, Jason, and is

971

Tali: and Jason and the Superbananas?

972

I

973

Scott: bananas.

974

It

975

sounds like a, like a, like a, uh,

976

what

977

do

978

you call it?

979

It sounds like a pop star

group or something, right?

980

You know, the super bananas,

981

Leigh Ann - Jason: Oh.

982

Tali: maybe not.

983

Scott: Okay.

984

Based on your face, but maybe not.

985

Leigh Ann - Jason: All right.

986

Comic book.

987

Scott: comic book.

988

Um, I really do.

989

I really, really, really like that.

990

And I like the philosophy of

991

Tali: teaching

992

Scott: them the principles and then

993

Tali: they

994

govern themselves.

995

Let them govern themselves, yeah.

996

So I think there's a lot of people

who, even in the homeschooling arena,

997

they try to control their kids so

tightly because they are so full of

998

fear of what's going on in the world.

999

And when they decide to homeschool, that's

their way of protecting their children.

00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,140

And then they, they raise

their children like that.

00:45:08,825 --> 00:45:09,465

And

00:45:09,573 --> 00:45:09,862

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

00:45:09,862 --> 00:45:10,150

Mm

00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:10,439

hmm.

00:45:10,439 --> 00:45:10,727

Um.

00:45:10,727 --> 00:45:11,305

Mm hmm.

00:45:11,405 --> 00:45:17,125

Tali: and they're getting ready to leave

the nest they are so full of fear But the

00:45:17,135 --> 00:45:21,045

fact I love what you said about teaching

them the principles because you can't

00:45:21,045 --> 00:45:27,405

protect them forever they have to be able

to discern themselves what they Choose

00:45:27,405 --> 00:45:29,495

which path and how they walk the path.

00:45:29,545 --> 00:45:30,605

So I love that

00:45:30,655 --> 00:45:30,895

Yeah,

00:45:31,070 --> 00:45:32,360

Scott: definitely you have

to let them go outside and

00:45:32,405 --> 00:45:33,195

Tali: get some bumps and

00:45:33,195 --> 00:45:34,545

bruises and it's

00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:34,990

Scott: the same

00:45:34,990 --> 00:45:35,250

with

00:45:35,250 --> 00:45:36,785

You Other kinds of decisions

00:45:36,810 --> 00:45:37,230

Tali: as well.

00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:37,440

Mm-hmm

00:45:37,725 --> 00:45:38,275

Scott: Leah, we're,

00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:39,420

Tali: because

00:45:39,495 --> 00:45:41,865

Scott: keep smirking while he's

telling all these Bitcoin stories.

00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:43,470

Tali: What's where,

00:45:43,495 --> 00:45:47,485

Scott: where, where, where are you

guys on, you know, where, where

00:45:47,485 --> 00:45:49,105

are you on this, this journey?

00:45:50,595 --> 00:45:50,825

You,

00:45:50,855 --> 00:45:51,675

are you just supportive?

00:45:51,675 --> 00:45:54,405

You go off and play your silly,

your silly super banana games.

00:45:54,485 --> 00:45:54,665

And

00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:55,710

Tali: we're,

00:45:55,715 --> 00:45:55,805

Scott: I'm

00:45:55,805 --> 00:45:57,615

going to do the real work

around the house with the kids.

00:45:57,615 --> 00:45:58,245

Like what's,

00:46:02,475 --> 00:46:04,465

Leigh Ann - Jason: I'm

raising my own super bananas

00:46:04,525 --> 00:46:05,155

Scott: uh,

00:46:05,165 --> 00:46:05,725

there you go.

00:46:05,935 --> 00:46:07,495

Leigh Ann - Jason: because

they're worth more than Bitcoin.

00:46:07,735 --> 00:46:07,955

Tali: Uh.

00:46:08,635 --> 00:46:08,815

That's

00:46:08,815 --> 00:46:09,015

true

00:46:09,015 --> 00:46:09,425

There you go.

00:46:09,425 --> 00:46:09,805

There you

00:46:09,805 --> 00:46:09,995

go.

00:46:10,145 --> 00:46:11,985

Scott: why are you doing all

the why saving all that Bitcoin

00:46:11,985 --> 00:46:14,545

doesn't do anything if you

don't like what's the point?

00:46:14,545 --> 00:46:15,245

Tali: Right Right.

00:46:15,265 --> 00:46:15,745

Scott: purpose.

00:46:15,845 --> 00:46:17,535

So I

00:46:17,765 --> 00:46:18,085

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

00:46:18,395 --> 00:46:24,885

So, uh, yeah, my, my focus is on

them a lot, but, um, I love how

00:46:25,345 --> 00:46:30,305

the, the principles that Bitcoin

encourages in people are the

00:46:30,305 --> 00:46:32,675

same ones that we want our kids.

00:46:33,085 --> 00:46:38,185

To be able to live up to those

kind of moral values that, uh, are

00:46:38,185 --> 00:46:44,900

encouraged through, um, the stability

of Bitcoin through the, um, all the,

00:46:44,905 --> 00:46:49,835

all those different, uh, uh, qualities

of Bitcoin, the mutability and the,

00:46:50,255 --> 00:46:52,085

uh, verifiability and everything.

00:46:52,355 --> 00:46:53,555

And, uh, I think those.

00:46:54,145 --> 00:46:58,605

Those are all things that, um,

that's important for our kids

00:46:59,045 --> 00:47:06,415

to be able to, to have that in

order to Um, do well in the world.

00:47:06,785 --> 00:47:11,755

And so, uh, I guess, uh, for, for

Jason, he's like a, a fan boy.

00:47:11,765 --> 00:47:15,665

He geeks out about Bitcoin and stuff,

but I'm like, I'm, I'm teaching

00:47:15,665 --> 00:47:17,145

my kids and I'm implementing it.

00:47:17,175 --> 00:47:20,265

And, uh, you know, those

principles, uh, for them.

00:47:20,605 --> 00:47:25,605

And, and he does as well, but, uh, it's

more of my focus in teaching them because.

00:47:25,940 --> 00:47:28,720

You know, I'm the, I'm the

main homeschool parent.

00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:34,570

And then Jason comes in and he,

he adds in his, his, uh, geeky

00:47:34,570 --> 00:47:36,480

perspective, which is always fun.

00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,010

2018, my, my reason for being in Bitcoin

00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:44,060

was I wanted to end the Federal Reserve.

00:47:44,060 --> 00:47:47,320

I wanted to replace, uh, the Federal

Reserve with Bitcoin and, and

00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,660

dollars and Bitcoin, stuff like that.

00:47:48,910 --> 00:47:51,320

It was this very external, um, thing.

00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,170

I like to think of it as changing

the world from the outside in.

00:47:55,940 --> 00:47:58,340

And I would go off about that for a while.

00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,830

And my lovely wife here would just be

so patient with me, like, that's nice.

00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:04,600

That, yeah, sounds good.

00:48:05,605 --> 00:48:05,805

Tali: You

00:48:05,805 --> 00:48:05,925

Scott: end

00:48:05,940 --> 00:48:06,970

Leigh Ann - Jason: And

not really say much else.

00:48:07,125 --> 00:48:07,575

Scott: got it

00:48:08,805 --> 00:48:11,705

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, but then,

uh, then I listened to the audio

00:48:11,705 --> 00:48:15,755

book of the Bitcoin standard and went

down that rabbit hole about things

00:48:15,755 --> 00:48:16,875

like time preference and stuff.

00:48:16,875 --> 00:48:20,805

And I realized how much Bitcoin can change

all of us, change the world really from

00:48:20,805 --> 00:48:22,705

the inside out by working through us.

00:48:23,175 --> 00:48:27,865

When I shared that with, with my wife,

with Leanne here, that's when it was

00:48:27,865 --> 00:48:29,795

like, okay, this is, more interesting.

00:48:29,795 --> 00:48:32,045

I was seeing more connection, I guess.

00:48:32,325 --> 00:48:35,135

Still, she was being her

practical self that she always is.

00:48:35,485 --> 00:48:38,295

Uh, and, uh, I was still

being my geeky self.

00:48:38,295 --> 00:48:40,315

I just had a new reason

to geek out about Bitcoin.

00:48:40,705 --> 00:48:42,425

Um, a better reason, in my opinion.

00:48:42,725 --> 00:48:48,005

Um, but, uh, I always like to say, I

came into Bitcoin for the, the political

00:48:48,025 --> 00:48:51,835

revolution, but I came in, uh, but

I stayed for the, uh, the personal

00:48:51,835 --> 00:48:55,245

revolution or the, the, uh, yeah, so

for the change from the inside out.

00:48:55,895 --> 00:48:59,515

But, uh, yeah, that's definitely

where I saw her be more, uh, I

00:48:59,585 --> 00:49:01,605

guess, uh, more accepting of Bitcoin.

00:49:01,645 --> 00:49:03,195

Eh, you're always accepting of it.

00:49:03,575 --> 00:49:05,515

Um, but, uh, yeah.

00:49:05,575 --> 00:49:08,215

Just kind of engage more with it.

00:49:08,805 --> 00:49:11,295

00:49:11,435 --> 00:49:13,905

Yeah, I thought, I thought you would.

00:49:13,905 --> 00:49:14,065

As an example.

00:49:14,065 --> 00:49:14,395

It sounded like you

00:49:14,485 --> 00:49:17,555

Scott: I like I like how he

asked permission before Like,

00:49:17,595 --> 00:49:18,555

Leon, you got him so well

00:49:18,605 --> 00:49:19,255

Leigh Ann - Jason: want to embarrass

00:49:19,275 --> 00:49:19,635

Scott: job.

00:49:22,875 --> 00:49:24,025

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, I just

don't want to embarrass her.

00:49:24,105 --> 00:49:24,865

At least not too much.

00:49:25,105 --> 00:49:30,425

anyone who's been in Bitcoin long

00:49:30,425 --> 00:49:32,445

enough, uh, will know what happened then.

00:49:32,465 --> 00:49:35,745

Uh, the, the, you know, uh,

all, all the stuff that happened

00:49:35,745 --> 00:49:37,125

00:49:37,565 --> 00:49:39,765

And, uh, there was a big crash.

00:49:39,795 --> 00:49:42,625

Bitcoin's price went down from

somewhere in the 9, 000s to somewhere

00:49:42,625 --> 00:49:44,255

in the 4, 000s in a single day.

00:49:44,935 --> 00:49:46,555

Um, it was pretty crazy.

00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,750

Well, um, I came home from work that

day and just told her, Hey, sweetie.

00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:55,490

Um, so I have some news,

not necessarily good or bad.

00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:56,640

It just is news.

00:49:56,670 --> 00:49:58,370

Like, let me, I was

really nervous about this.

00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:03,540

Um, but now I did talking her ear off

about Bitcoin for like five years, uh, by

00:50:03,540 --> 00:50:05,280

this power, four and a half years or so.

00:50:06,190 --> 00:50:11,960

And, uh, and so I, I showed her the chart

and says, yeah, so this happened today.

00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,735

And, um, Yeah, so what do you think?

00:50:15,295 --> 00:50:23,505

Her response was So, what you're telling

me is We can afford to buy more now And

00:50:24,535 --> 00:50:29,205

Yes, exactly That's exactly my response

Listeners don't know what Scott's doing

00:50:29,435 --> 00:50:31,935

But, uh, yeah I was cheering inside.

00:50:32,215 --> 00:50:38,595

I think I just sighed said, Oh, I love

you That's what I said But, uh, yes,

00:50:38,615 --> 00:50:40,995

inside I was just like Yes All right

00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:41,790

Tali: I

00:50:41,795 --> 00:50:44,995

Scott: thought you were going to go like,

you know, she's like, so you just cut her,

00:50:45,135 --> 00:50:46,955

you just cut her child savings in half

00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:47,310

Tali: is what you're saying.

00:50:47,330 --> 00:50:47,560

Like,

00:50:47,595 --> 00:50:48,895

Scott: That's where I

thought you were going.

00:50:48,895 --> 00:50:50,715

And then when you said that,

I was like, so excited.

00:50:50,805 --> 00:50:53,555

I'm like, yes.

00:50:54,475 --> 00:50:56,275

Leigh Ann - Jason: this is like

that meme where it is just like

00:50:56,275 --> 00:50:59,995

the, the woman crying, and it's

like, Bitcoin just dropped 20%.

00:51:00,085 --> 00:51:02,965

I'm only, you know, 349% up.

00:51:03,805 --> 00:51:10,015

Uh, like, and uh, it was a bit like

that, but, uh, but that wasn't what.

00:51:10,485 --> 00:51:11,795

she was caring about.

00:51:11,945 --> 00:51:15,035

She saw it like, well, this

is a dip we can buy, right?

00:51:16,855 --> 00:51:22,035

And in such a practical way, never geeking

out about Bitcoin like I do, and yet

00:51:22,035 --> 00:51:23,685

still seeing it for what it actually is.

00:51:23,685 --> 00:51:24,835

I'm like, Oh, why?

00:51:24,855 --> 00:51:25,345

Yes.

00:51:25,375 --> 00:51:25,945

Like chef's kiss.

00:51:26,115 --> 00:51:26,375

Yes.

00:51:26,615 --> 00:51:27,565

Scott: amazing.

00:51:28,535 --> 00:51:29,805

That's a great story.

00:51:29,835 --> 00:51:30,785

Why would you be embarrassed?

00:51:30,815 --> 00:51:31,675

That's awesome.

00:51:34,295 --> 00:51:34,655

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

00:51:34,705 --> 00:51:36,695

I don't think I've ever been

embarrassed to that story.

00:51:36,695 --> 00:51:37,874

Okay.

00:51:37,875 --> 00:51:38,315

Okay.

00:51:38,505 --> 00:51:38,845

But,

00:51:38,915 --> 00:51:39,305

um,

00:51:39,380 --> 00:51:40,810

Scott: it tells people how smart you are.

00:51:40,830 --> 00:51:44,260

You, you not, a lot of

people don't get that at all.

00:51:44,260 --> 00:51:46,180

Even after you tell them, they

don't tell them, you know?

00:51:46,675 --> 00:51:48,815

Leigh Ann - Jason: yeah, yeah.

00:51:49,095 --> 00:51:54,545

I know there have been so many things that

we've been through and, you know, hard

00:51:54,545 --> 00:51:58,895

things happen after a hard time and we've

moved so many different places, especially

00:51:58,895 --> 00:52:00,685

like early on in our marriage and stuff.

00:52:02,145 --> 00:52:06,095

And through it all, we were

able to get through it.

00:52:06,095 --> 00:52:13,695

And I feel like it was God's hand in

our life, guiding us along the way.

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And so I've I've always had

that trust in God, even when

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Jason had a harder time with it.

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I was, I was just saying, no,

God's going to get us through this.

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So it's going to be okay.

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And so with that perspective,

when he says that, I'm like,

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well, it dipped for a reason.

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And, and, uh, you know, God,

all things happen for a reason.

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God knows that that was going to happen.

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And he knows that we're going to

be able to put more in it now.

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And so we can trust him with it because

all that we have is from him anyway.

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And so he's making that

possible for us to save more.

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Scott: Wow.

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Hmm.

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Leigh Ann - Jason: That's,

yeah, to save more.

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That's actually the way we've seen Bitcoin

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It's just a savings account, not a trading

vehicle or anything else like that.

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That's just how we save.

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Which goes to the point that

a lot of Bitcoiners have made

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that in a fiat system, you

have to invest just to survive.

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You have to put money in housing, you

have to put money in the stock market,

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you have to do, you have to play

all these games in a perfectly fiat,

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not fiat, in a non fiat world, in a

perfectly bitcoin world, everyone's

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on a bitcoin standard, you just save.

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You just, you, uh, spend less

than you earn, you just save the