Colin Spence’s Guide to Rottweilers: temperament, trust-based training & real-life care

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Welcome to The Yappy Hour, powered by

Yappily, the podcast for dog lovers

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who want to better understand and

support their canine companions.

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I'm your host, Nathan Dunleavy,

and today we're talking about one

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of the most powerful, loyal, and

let's be honest, miss Misunderstood

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breeds out there, the Rottweiler.

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Joining me today is Colin Spence,

a respected trainer, behaviourist,

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and host of dogs do speak.

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Colin has worked with dogs of all

shapes and sizes, but his heart lies

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with these large guardian breeds.

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I.

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Especially the Rotti.

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In this episode, we dig into what

makes them tick, how to train and live

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with them respectfully, and how we can

all do our part to shift the public

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narrative around these amazing dogs.

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So whether you've got a rot while

at your feet or you are just

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breed curious, you are going to

get so much from this episode.

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So grab a cup of tea, settle

in, and let's get started.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Welcome back to The Yappy

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Hour, powered by Yappily.

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I'm your host, Nathan Dunleavy,

and I'm so excited to bring

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you another episode today.

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Even more excited that we've got

the amazing Colin Spence joining

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us on the yappy hour today.

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Gonna, I've been really looking

forward to this episode.

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So Colin, welcome to the Yappy Hour.

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How are you doing?

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colin spence: Thanks

for inviting me along.

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I've been looking forward to this

day in this moment for, oh, blah.

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Me.

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It feels like eternity,

but I'm doing okay.

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I also have to bit, got a little bit of

scia, which is a pain in the, the rear.

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and movement is not good.

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So yes.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, bless your heart.

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But yeah, that is, sciatica

is not a good pain.

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So yeah, you've got my sympathy there.

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So I appreciate you coming on and

really looking forward to this episode.

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So Colin, for our listeners

who may not know you.

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Let's kick off a little bit about your

journey now, what we're gonna be talking

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about the Rottweiler Breed today.

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So you are gonna be one

of our breed experts.

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We've had various breed experts on the

show from boxes to dash ounces to Collies,

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and I know you've got a love for Rotes.

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And yeah, and I walk a, we walk

a few of what is as part of my.

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Dog walking business.

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So they're really a misunderstood breed

and, and they're ama and they're amazing.

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So let's start with your

connection with the Rotweiler.

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When did it begin and what made

you fall in love with the breed?

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Colin,

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colin spence: Oh, that's a good question.

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It's.

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Main

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I

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colin spence: till the day I die.

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My connection started back

in the: 1970

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

you don't look cold enough?

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No way.

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colin spence: I was 61.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh wow.

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Okay.

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Looking good.

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colin spence: Yeah.

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So it, it goes back to 1973 when I was

really, really young, but I also had a

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passion for dogs of a very young age.

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And

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh,

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colin spence: was the, the film

with Gregory Peck called The Omen.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: right.

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Yeah.

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colin spence: anyone, I'd say

younger than 40 will not remember.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Well, I've only just turned 40,

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so it's not one I'm familiar with.

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colin spence: I said 50.

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So I watched the program.

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It was a film to be, to be fair,

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Gregory Peck was the main actor

and it was about, they had a rock

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viol in this particular episode,

and the rock viol was the bad.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, no.

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colin spence: A dog.

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and I remember sitting there

thinking, I would love to have

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one of those dogs when I'm older.

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Yeah.

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And that always stayed with me.

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I still got the vision of the actual

dog by the bed protecting the child.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: scared to go into the room.

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and that image will always live with me.

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So that's where my love for Rotti started.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Brilliant.

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Okay.

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Well I love that.

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I love that.

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I love where there's a story behind,

behind it and we've all got our

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story, so absolutely love that.

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So we're gonna be moving on to our next

section, which is all about getting to

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know the Rottweiler breed, the Rotti.

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What are some of the qualities

that make the Rottweiler such

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a special breed to work with?

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colin spence: So they are,

oh, do you know my love?

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have two breeds that I have fallen

in love with from a very young age.

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The dopamine is one and the

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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I thought it was the David man.

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Yes, right.

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colin spence: You know, I've lived

with, worked with too many to

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mention, but what makes the Rotti

so special is are a very loyal dog,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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colin spence: mean, loyal in

every sense of the word, in

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what the word actually means.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

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colin spence: they're

also a very soft dog,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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colin spence: not as hardy,

emotionally wise, their emotions are.

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They're a very soft dog.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I.

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colin spence: one of these dogs

that are robust in that sense.

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They're gonna attack you

or going to kill you.

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That's where they're misunderstood.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: are very people oriented.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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colin spence: And the other good

thing about rock Pine is that

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they are, they lost their space

and their time on their own.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

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colin spence: Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: And they don't

mind you not being with them.

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they will always come and

check on to see where you are.

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Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: my Dobermans never did.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

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Brilliant.

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Yeah, so they've got like, almost

like this tough exterior, but

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they're big softies underneath.

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colin spence: Absolutely.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

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I love that.

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Why do you think the VA are

so often misunderstood or mis

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misrepresented in the media?

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colin spence: Nathan, that's a

really good question and we've

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sort of already touched on that.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

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colin spence: go back to 1973.

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When

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

it's that feel.

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colin spence: yeah,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

It's to blame.

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colin spence: the omen has got a

lot to to because it wasn't until

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I was a lot older in the eighties

when there were repeat of the omen.

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And then back in the eighties, that's

when the bad rap really hit the fan.

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Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh.

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colin spence: a lot of people

wanted rot islands basically

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because of what they saw.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: Very similar to like

Game of Thrones now with Huskies.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yes, that's true.

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colin spence: Yeah,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Very true.

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colin spence: so TV and the media,

well, social media and the media

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have got a lot to answer for, so.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: have.

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colin spence: The bad rap then comes even

stronger where the Roxy was basically

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always in the hand of, not always, in some

cases, in the hands of the wrong person.

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I.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

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colin spence: yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

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colin spence: roll them up to be

more aggressive, fierce looking.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

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colin spence: yeah, the rest is history.

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And they were hunted down

and people disliked them.

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They were bad mouthed, bad

mouth, not so bad today.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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And that's, that's unfortunate, isn't it?

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Because it's either been the rots,

Adobes, it's the staffies, the exile

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bullies you know, they all get this

bad rep from, you know, various

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different, you know, media channels.

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But a lot of it unfortunately does

come down to the owner, doesn't it?

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colin spence: A, a great

percentage comes down to the owner.

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The owner.

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The other variable is breeding.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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colin spence: big factor is environment.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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Absolutely.

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colin spence: plays a massive part.

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A massive part has a massive impact

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: have a perception

it's good or a perception it's bad.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, definitely.

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How would you describe

the ideal rotty guardian?

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I,

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colin spence: The ideal, I'm

gonna say myself, aren't I

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

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colin spence: the ideal from

a professional point of view?

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It has to be someone

that is understanding.

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Yeah, that definitely likes Rotti

is because they are a little

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bit needy, but not over needy.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

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colin spence: that will follow you

to the ends of the earth if you

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Wow.

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colin spence: after them.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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colin spence: now is he was out

there, he's now under my feet and

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh.

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colin spence: And he'll remain there

until I click the laptop off and

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then he'll follow me wherever I go.

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So they are so technically they can, I

put it, they're not needy like Adobe, but

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they have this, they love their people.

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If they look

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: they do love

their humans and we look

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, that's,

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colin spence: protect

them if they have to.

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Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

that's lovely.

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Yeah.

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That's really, is it just the one

body you've got at the moment, Colin?

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I.

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colin spence: Unfortunately,

yes, I did have two.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Oh, you,

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colin spence: Yeah,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

see, I am sorry.

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Yes.

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colin spence: One passed away

in 22 and we lost our baby.

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Last in September, just gone.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Oh gosh.

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Oh, bless you.

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Brilliant.

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Okay, so let's move on to our next

section, which is all about training

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and building trust with the Rotti.

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I mean, I've got smaller dogs

and they're like CRO dogs.

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They're all taking turns

and sitting up on my laugh.

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I've got one that's got sa then the

rest are just bloody drama queens.

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And so what's your approach when

it comes to training Rottweilers?

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colin spence: Or what's my approach if

I'm looking at your very young puppy?

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I do not consider it to be training.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: No.

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colin spence: I do with a very young

puppy is more about confidence building

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Love that.

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colin spence: gain my trust.

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Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, I love that.

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Yeah.

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colin spence: lot of play involved

that technically is a way of teaching.

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A bit of loosely bulking, teaching a

lovely sit, teaching a lovely stay.

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So everything's centered

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: play.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I love that.

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Yeah.

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colin spence: older Rotty, so clients

that I work with, I have a few trends

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that also come with me with that to,

to me on a Saturday with their bodies.

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then it's more about building

that bond between handler and dog.

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Because one thing a Rotti will

do they don't feel that love they

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are very distant and loof dogs.

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Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

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colin spence: they need to feel it.

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Not every breed needs to feel that.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: That's why rotes can be

a little bit, what's the word become?

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They can become very aloof and you

don't want a rotty that is aloof.

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Too big.

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A

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

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colin spence: super good

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Right, right.

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Okay.

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Yeah, cats often get called

aloof, so Yeah, I can, can imagine

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you, you don't really want your

dogs being that way, do you?

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colin spence: Not really.

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Not as, not as you can help, but

I mean we've also got to take

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into consideration genetics.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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colin spence: 'cause genetics will play

their part and we can't change that.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I said.

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colin spence: the environment

can change the way we respond.

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Yeah, if we can do that successfully

and humanely as well, then

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

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colin spence: don't have

that looseness about them.

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That's not needed, if that makes sense.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, definitely.

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And I love all that about you say

it's not training, because this

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training word gets branded around a

lot and it's can be misinterpreted.

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But I like how you said about, you

know, if a puppet, it's about training,

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it's about building that bond, that

relationship building confidence.

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And I love that,

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colin spence: Thank

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

what it's all about.

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So how can pet parents or guardians

build trust and set boundaries in a

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way that's kind, fair and effective?

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Colin,

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colin spence: I would advise the

clients that I work with with.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I.

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colin spence: A let's cut out

the training mode, the the

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: Let's cut that out for

now, because one thing lot of dogs

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will give you rot is included, is

they will look to you and follow you.

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Now, I know a lot of people

don't like the word leader.

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Yeah.

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But in

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

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colin spence: the, the, the, the,

the, the fact is if we are happy

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with someone's company and we trust

that person's company we will follow.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Yeah, I know.

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colin spence: will

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Follow the leader.

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colin spence: follow the leader and

we're quite happy to be in their company.

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So I say cut out the, the training

for now, as in robust training, by all

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm

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colin spence: just

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: mm

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colin spence: bond.

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Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: go left,

your dog will follow you.

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: 00:13:09

Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: them a kiss.

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: 00:13:11

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I.

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: 00:13:11

colin spence: Give 'em a

little tickle under the throat.

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: 00:13:13

Yeah.

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: 00:13:14

you stand up and they stand up with you,

give 'em a kiss, give 'em a tickle under

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the throat because that, that, that,

you know, we can't train trust, but we

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm-hmm.

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colin spence: We can earn

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: 00:13:25

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: We can,

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: 00:13:26

colin spence: Yeah.

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: 00:13:26

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

we can earn it.

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Love that.

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: 00:13:28

Can't train trust, but we can earn it.

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Brilliant.

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I love that so much.

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Thank you.

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So do you find, do you find that rots

respond particularly well to any specific

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type of enrichment or, there's that word

training again, so any specific type

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of sort of enrichment or bond or play.

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colin spence: If you, anyone think

that's getting a rotten and you

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: 00:13:51

think you're gonna train it to be

the best dog on the planet, it.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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: 00:13:59

colin spence: They're not, it's,

it's interesting 'cause they're never

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gonna talk about other aspects of the

rotten a bit later, which sort the

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way contradicts what I'm saying now,

but it's not really contradictory.

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: 00:14:09

They're not one of these dogs

that are up for the training mode.

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: 00:14:13

Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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: 00:14:14

Yeah.

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: 00:14:15

colin spence: you know, if I said to

my doby when she was alive, training,

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working, working, she'd be in the lounge.

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She'll come into the office, pick up

her harness, the one she knows she's

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: 00:14:24

gonna work in training Lene, and

she's doing the spins and some assort.

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You say that to her rotten.

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: 00:14:30

It's like, I, for God's sake,

mean I've God, get off the bed.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

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colin spence: So they're

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: 00:14:40

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

they're like, not today.

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colin spence: Yeah.

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Don't get me wrong.

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If you look after your rotty well,

and you've got a good relationship,

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you can work 'em really, really good.

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Yeah.

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And they, they're very intelligent

dog, smart dogs, I should

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say, and learn very easily.

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Yeah.

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they're not a dog that

you can train all sorts.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

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colin spence: cut out for that.

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: 00:15:03

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

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: 00:15:04

colin spence: Yeah,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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: 00:15:05

colin spence: mainly for a bit

of man work, rounding up and

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: 00:15:09

putting a stop to bad behaviour.

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: 00:15:11

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I was gonna ask what they

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were originally bred for.

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: 00:15:14

Was it like a guard dog

thing or, or something?

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colin spence: were originally

used by the Romans.

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Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: right,

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colin spence: now let me,

let me put it properly.

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: 00:15:25

The Romans sort of in a roundabout

way, stumbled across the roti.

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Yeah.

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: 00:15:31

They basically have dogs that

were called Asian Shepherds.

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: 00:15:36

Okay,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

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: 00:15:38

colin spence: Shepherd had similarity.

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: 00:15:39

Looks similar.

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: 00:15:40

Was similarity in the looks until the

Roman Army disbanded and things evolved.

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: 00:15:47

And a German Mr.

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: 00:15:49

Rot while yeah.

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: 00:15:51

Saw the dog and decided, you know

what, I'm going to mix this dog, the

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: 00:15:57

Asian Shepherd the German sheep dog.

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: 00:16:01

'cause he wanted a dog that was robust.

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: 00:16:04

Strong.

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: 00:16:05

Not too big, not too small, athletic.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

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: 00:16:10

colin spence: Hence you've got the rotty.

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: 00:16:13

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: because

they're quite, yeah, they're quite built.

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: 00:16:15

Big built, aren't they?

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: 00:16:16

Mostly,

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: 00:16:16

colin spence: Yeah.

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: 00:16:17

But they shouldn't be overly built.

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: 00:16:20

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I see.

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: 00:16:21

colin spence: Because of the herding.

419

: 00:16:24

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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: 00:16:25

colin spence: and the only reason

why they were kicked out of the arena

421

: 00:16:29

because they were a bit too big.

422

: 00:16:32

And not as agile as the sheet dog

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: 00:16:35

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I see.

424

: 00:16:37

Okay.

425

: 00:16:38

Yeah, that's, that's really interesting.

426

: 00:16:40

Okay, so yeah, so like you said, it's

more, rather than training, it's more sort

427

: 00:16:46

of play, you know, do they, do they sort

of like, sort of like bit of rough player

428

: 00:16:51

or the tugg play and things like that?

429

: 00:16:54

colin spence: Yes, you were

looking for a dog that likes

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: 00:16:57

a bit of tug, to play rough.

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: 00:17:00

Hence the Rotty Rumble.

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: 00:17:02

If anyone's got a rot.

433

: 00:17:03

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I've, I've, I've been hit.

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: 00:17:04

I've only heard about

the what, IBA Recently.

435

: 00:17:07

colin spence: Yeah.

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: 00:17:08

Yeah.

437

: 00:17:08

If you wanna hear a Rotty rumble,

you go play a little bit rough

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: 00:17:12

and tumble with They love it.

439

: 00:17:14

Absolutely love it.

440

: 00:17:16

Yeah.

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: 00:17:18

And the rumble is basically them growling

saying, oh, do more, give me more.

442

: 00:17:22

This is brilliant.

443

: 00:17:23

And you

444

: 00:17:24

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

445

: 00:17:24

colin spence: their sad dogs again.

446

: 00:17:26

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

447

: 00:17:27

It was really funny because one

of my colleagues is she's looking

448

: 00:17:30

after like a golden retriever pup

and he's about eight months old.

449

: 00:17:33

So he is, you know, he is going through

adolescence and she said to me, God, he

450

: 00:17:37

did the what he rumbled the other day.

451

: 00:17:39

And I'm like, what the hell's the what?

452

: 00:17:40

He rumble, she explained it.

453

: 00:17:42

She'd never known a retriever do it.

454

: 00:17:46

That's cute.

455

: 00:17:47

colin spence: will have that

little rumble, it's very

456

: 00:17:50

prevalent amongst rockers.

457

: 00:17:52

Yeah.

458

: 00:17:52

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

459

: 00:17:53

colin spence: If they

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: 00:17:53

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

461

: 00:17:54

colin spence: really good time, even if

they're playing with a human or another

462

: 00:17:57

animal, they will growl and growl

and grow and it just gets louder and,

463

: 00:18:03

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

464

: 00:18:04

colin spence: and it's all play.

465

: 00:18:05

You can see by their body language, they

absolutely enjoy what they're doing.

466

: 00:18:09

Yeah.

467

: 00:18:09

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: And

that's sometimes part of the issue.

468

: 00:18:11

'cause someone could hear that

rumble and think it's aggressive.

469

: 00:18:14

But if you read the body language and

learn body language, you know you got,

470

: 00:18:19

colin spence: that's quite true.

471

: 00:18:21

So I do have people, I have had people

come to me in the past and believing their

472

: 00:18:27

dogs were being aggressive, but once we

sat down and you explain to them Yeah.

473

: 00:18:32

By

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: 00:18:32

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: hmm.

475

: 00:18:33

colin spence: et cetera, it's not to

change their perception of that behaviour.

476

: 00:18:38

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

477

: 00:18:39

Yeah.

478

: 00:18:40

That's so important.

479

: 00:18:41

Brilliant.

480

: 00:18:42

So moving on then we're coming

to speak against, gonna speak

481

: 00:18:46

again about media influence and so

mythbusting and media influence.

482

: 00:18:51

So let's talk about the elephant

in the room, the reputation.

483

: 00:18:55

You know, a lot of dogs, we've

already spoken about different

484

: 00:18:57

breeds can get a bad rep.

485

: 00:18:59

But what are some of the biggest

myths about Rottweilers that

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: 00:19:02

you'd love to clear up, Colin?

487

: 00:19:06

colin spence: One of the biggest

myths, they're not an aggressive dog.

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: 00:19:09

One

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: 00:19:09

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

490

: 00:19:09

colin spence: not is an aggressive dog.

491

: 00:19:11

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

492

: 00:19:12

colin spence: they're probably one

of the most softest breed of dog

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: 00:19:15

you will ever, ever get to know.

494

: 00:19:19

Yeah.

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: 00:19:19

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

496

: 00:19:20

colin spence: Because there is that

perce perception out there that

497

: 00:19:23

people obviously believe they're a

guard dog, they're an aggressive dog.

498

: 00:19:27

They are, they're none

of those things at all.

499

: 00:19:30

They are not aggressive.

500

: 00:19:32

And the other thing as well is

that people seem to believe.

501

: 00:19:39

That rockers, when they are

502

: 00:19:44

concerned about something will attack it.

503

: 00:19:50

I've had that a

504

: 00:19:50

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

505

: 00:19:51

colin spence: In fact, if a ROT

Waller is alert or feels threatened

506

: 00:19:57

or conflicted by something or

someone, first thing they do, yes.

507

: 00:20:02

They make themselves very big.

508

: 00:20:04

And I love looking at a big rotty.

509

: 00:20:05

Yeah.

510

: 00:20:06

what they won't do is act.

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: 00:20:09

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

512

: 00:20:10

Okay.

513

: 00:20:10

colin spence: Yeah.

514

: 00:20:11

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

515

: 00:20:11

colin spence: well-rounded

rotty will just stand still.

516

: 00:20:14

They won't act.

517

: 00:20:16

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

518

: 00:20:17

Is that when they puff their

chest up and stuff, you mean?

519

: 00:20:20

Mm-hmm.

520

: 00:20:21

Yeah.

521

: 00:20:21

colin spence: the head.

522

: 00:20:22

I mean, it's, if you, if you haven't seen

a rotty alerted by something that makes

523

: 00:20:29

them feel conflicted, the head grows, the

524

: 00:20:33

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Wow.

525

: 00:20:33

colin spence: puffs up,

526

: 00:20:35

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

527

: 00:20:35

colin spence: tail puffs up, and

528

: 00:20:38

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

529

: 00:20:38

colin spence: front of that dog is just,

you think, where the hell did, where on

530

: 00:20:42

earth did the rest of that body come from?

531

: 00:20:44

Yeah,

532

: 00:20:45

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

533

: 00:20:45

colin spence: they do

make themselves look big.

534

: 00:20:47

And a lot of that is to scare you away.

535

: 00:20:50

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yes, I can.

536

: 00:20:51

colin spence: come attack you.

537

: 00:20:53

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

538

: 00:20:54

colin spence: To

539

: 00:20:54

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

540

: 00:20:55

colin spence: away.

541

: 00:20:56

And I think it works.

542

: 00:20:58

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, definitely.

543

: 00:20:59

We speak a lot on this podcast about

you know, better education around canine

544

: 00:21:04

body language, particularly for pet

parents and obviously professionals

545

: 00:21:07

alike, but obviously it's, it's getting

to know the dog in front of you and,

546

: 00:21:12

you know, breed Pacific as well because

of what he's, body language would

547

: 00:21:16

be different to my toy, for example.

548

: 00:21:18

So it's so important, isn't it,

to put all that into context

549

: 00:21:21

and learn how to read your dog.

550

: 00:21:23

colin spence: It's very important that we

all understand CBL canine body language.

551

: 00:21:28

The thing

552

: 00:21:29

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

553

: 00:21:29

colin spence: it who's

doing the educating?

554

: 00:21:32

Because the guardian will only be good

in their understanding of the person

555

: 00:21:36

that has been teaching them about it.

556

: 00:21:38

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

557

: 00:21:39

Yeah.

558

: 00:21:39

colin spence: So I think it's very

important that we as professionals,

559

: 00:21:44

understand what's, you know, canine

body language for the individual.

560

: 00:21:48

It looks like

561

: 00:21:50

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

562

: 00:21:51

colin spence: just because dog A is

looking like that, the stimulus A

563

: 00:21:57

dog B might have a different body

language for the same stimuli.

564

: 00:22:01

Yeah.

565

: 00:22:02

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, exactly.

566

: 00:22:03

colin spence: you know,

understanding the environment.

567

: 00:22:05

Yeah.

568

: 00:22:06

And then understanding what it,

you know, what the dog's actually

569

: 00:22:09

saying to us is important.

570

: 00:22:11

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

571

: 00:22:12

Yeah.

572

: 00:22:12

Really big on that.

573

: 00:22:13

Yeah, it's great.

574

: 00:22:14

How can we, as a community of dog

professionals and guardians help shift the

575

: 00:22:19

narrative around breeds like the rotti?

576

: 00:22:24

colin spence: Oh, Nathan, that's a

real tough one because I, I think

577

: 00:22:29

what sifts it, this, this may

or may not answer your question,

578

: 00:22:34

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's okay?

579

: 00:22:34

colin spence: I see life is like this.

580

: 00:22:37

When a breed comes to notice.

581

: 00:22:42

The breed before is free.

582

: 00:22:47

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm

583

: 00:22:47

colin spence: Yeah.

584

: 00:22:48

So

585

: 00:22:49

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: mm

586

: 00:22:49

colin spence: Rottens were free basically

by the, the Staff Terrier in the eighties

587

: 00:22:56

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

588

: 00:22:56

colin spence: started to get a

bad rap, everyone's attention

589

: 00:22:59

turned to the, the staff terrier.

590

: 00:23:01

Yeah.

591

: 00:23:02

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes,

592

: 00:23:03

colin spence: in Today Society,

things are shifting along, away

593

: 00:23:07

from the Excel bully onto the.

594

: 00:23:11

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

they, they are.

595

: 00:23:12

colin spence: Okay,

596

: 00:23:13

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

597

: 00:23:14

colin spence: the media at the

moment in the public's perception

598

: 00:23:18

of Rotti is a lot better now than it

599

: 00:23:21

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

And it was,

600

: 00:23:22

colin spence: years.

601

: 00:23:23

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

602

: 00:23:24

Yeah.

603

: 00:23:24

You, yeah.

604

: 00:23:25

And it's funny, it's, I've been seeing a

lot around the, the cane or Can course.

605

: 00:23:30

So recently it was on this morning

and you know, people obviously watch

606

: 00:23:34

it and then I've got colleagues or

however they're then worried about

607

: 00:23:38

because they've got them as pets.

608

: 00:23:40

But I'm sure before long Colin, we're

gonna move on to another breed, don't we?

609

: 00:23:45

colin spence: Well, yeah.

610

: 00:23:46

Think the cane is gonna have a wrap.

611

: 00:23:49

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh

612

: 00:23:49

colin spence: however it will

move on to another breed.

613

: 00:23:52

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

614

: 00:23:53

It's such a shame.

615

: 00:23:54

But I think again, it comes down

to the the pet parent, doesn't it?

616

: 00:23:57

And education.

617

: 00:24:00

colin spence: Do you know what?

618

: 00:24:01

It does come down to the pet parent,

but it also comes down to the community.

619

: 00:24:08

Yeah.

620

: 00:24:08

It, you know, it comes down to how the

community feel about dogs in general.

621

: 00:24:14

Yeah.

622

: 00:24:15

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: true.

623

: 00:24:15

colin spence: we

624

: 00:24:16

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

625

: 00:24:16

colin spence: government,

they don't always help.

626

: 00:24:19

Yeah.

627

: 00:24:20

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

definitely not.

628

: 00:24:21

colin spence: Yeah.

629

: 00:24:21

So is the governance perception

is knee jerky reactions?

630

: 00:24:25

Yeah.

631

: 00:24:26

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

632

: 00:24:26

colin spence: How on earth are

we going to educate the public?

633

: 00:24:30

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

634

: 00:24:31

Yeah.

635

: 00:24:32

colin spence: so all we're

left with really is what people

636

: 00:24:34

see, what they believe, what

they read, and how they feel.

637

: 00:24:37

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

638

: 00:24:38

Yeah.

639

: 00:24:39

And unfortunately with the exile, bully

just touched on it, it was quite a

640

: 00:24:43

kneejerk reaction from the government.

641

: 00:24:45

I think at the time they were

seeing all these lies and attacks,

642

: 00:24:49

and they were maybe from these

dogs, but it, the government had

643

: 00:24:52

to be seen to be doing something.

644

: 00:24:53

Unfortunately, they didn't think

the whole thing free, did they?

645

: 00:24:56

colin spence: No, they didn't.

646

: 00:24:57

And so in the defense they did what

they thought was best at the time.

647

: 00:25:04

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

648

: 00:25:05

colin spence: But if they hadn't done

anything, what would we be saying?

649

: 00:25:10

Because there were a lot of people being

injured, a lot of people being attacked.

650

: 00:25:14

Yes.

651

: 00:25:14

Well, I'm not blaming the dogs here.

652

: 00:25:15

I'm blaming the people that were managing

them at, or not managing them at the time.

653

: 00:25:22

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

654

: 00:25:25

It is a difficult one.

655

: 00:25:26

But hopefully, you know, I know

there's these all par parliamentary

656

: 00:25:31

sort of meetings happening at

Westminster that various charities and

657

: 00:25:36

organizations are getting involved in.

658

: 00:25:38

So hopefully we will, you

know, we are starting to see.

659

: 00:25:42

Something

660

: 00:25:43

colin spence: Hopefully,

661

: 00:25:44

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

happening.

662

: 00:25:45

colin spence: hopefully,

663

: 00:25:46

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: there

has to be a change in it all because

664

: 00:25:48

you can't then just move on to the next

breed, say the canned corso, and then

665

: 00:25:52

then ban them and then move on some ash.

666

: 00:25:54

You're gonna end up with all

these bloody dog breed bats.

667

: 00:25:58

colin spence: well, that's why

I'm starting to look at hamsters.

668

: 00:26:02

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

669

: 00:26:03

Yeah.

670

: 00:26:04

Well you say that, but when I

was growing up, we had hamsters

671

: 00:26:08

and they can be bloody vicious.

672

: 00:26:11

colin spence: Okay,

I'll go the geral then.

673

: 00:26:14

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I mean especially the the, we

674

: 00:26:15

had a Russian hamster and he was

called speedy and bloody out.

675

: 00:26:18

He was nuts.

676

: 00:26:19

colin spence: Yeah.

677

: 00:26:21

Yeah.

678

: 00:26:21

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

679

: 00:26:22

colin spence: Something has

sensible, has to be done.

680

: 00:26:24

Otherwise, we are just gonna be a nation

of dog lovers, but no dogs to love.

681

: 00:26:30

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

No dogs till, oh, that's a very

682

: 00:26:32

sad, sorry, state of effect.

683

: 00:26:35

Brilliant.

684

: 00:26:35

Well, moving on then, we're gonna

be talking about breed needs and

685

: 00:26:38

supporting the rotti body and brain.

686

: 00:26:41

So, Colin, what far, what kinds of

daily routines or activities help Rotti

687

: 00:26:48

thrive emotionally and physically?

688

: 00:26:52

colin spence: One of the best

things I've noticed about the dogs

689

: 00:26:54

I've owned, lived with freedom.

690

: 00:26:59

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Read.

691

: 00:26:59

Oh, I love that.

692

: 00:27:00

colin spence: Oh, freedom,

being able to get off lead.

693

: 00:27:03

And the best enrichment for me,

apart from scent work that dogs

694

: 00:27:07

can have is being able to be dog.

695

: 00:27:11

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: B dog.

696

: 00:27:12

Yeah.

697

: 00:27:13

colin spence: how can you

pick that as enrichment?

698

: 00:27:15

Yeah.

699

: 00:27:15

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

700

: 00:27:16

colin spence: No

701

: 00:27:17

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

702

: 00:27:17

colin spence: told what to

do, not given something.

703

: 00:27:20

I can go and use my old factory

and just sniff it out and enjoy.

704

: 00:27:24

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

705

: 00:27:25

Yeah.

706

: 00:27:25

colin spence: so freedom for me is

important so long as it's in a safe place.

707

: 00:27:30

And on top of that is

the human interaction.

708

: 00:27:36

Yeah.

709

: 00:27:37

Rossie are not that keen on puzzle.

710

: 00:27:40

If I gave my dog Bailey a

puzzle toy, he'll do it.

711

: 00:27:44

Yeah.

712

: 00:27:44

But if

713

: 00:27:45

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Get bored and

714

: 00:27:45

colin spence: yeah, but

if I gave him the option

715

: 00:27:47

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I.

716

: 00:27:48

colin spence: with me, interact with

me, you can see the Rossie Rumble.

717

: 00:27:52

You can see the smile,

you can see the tap.

718

: 00:27:56

for me, the enrichment bits are

freedom, being able to be a dog,

719

: 00:28:01

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

720

: 00:28:03

colin spence: Good human

positive interaction.

721

: 00:28:06

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

722

: 00:28:07

colin spence: Yeah.

723

: 00:28:07

And

724

: 00:28:07

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

725

: 00:28:08

colin spence: don't mean

dog training either.

726

: 00:28:10

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: no.

727

: 00:28:10

What does that mean then, Colin, to you?

728

: 00:28:12

Good human.

729

: 00:28:14

colin spence: me being with my rot,

giving him a kiss, broke, talking to,

730

: 00:28:20

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

731

: 00:28:21

colin spence: out,

interacting with him verbally.

732

: 00:28:23

So you get those lovely help head tilts.

733

: 00:28:26

And just in just being there for him.

734

: 00:28:29

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

735

: 00:28:30

Yeah.

736

: 00:28:31

colin spence: dog training whatsoever.

737

: 00:28:33

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

738

: 00:28:34

I absolutely love that.

739

: 00:28:35

So freedom.

740

: 00:28:36

You know, I think, you know,

they, we, they could all benefit

741

: 00:28:38

from a bit more freedom and just

being more dog, allowing them

742

: 00:28:42

colin spence: Yeah.

743

: 00:28:43

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: a dog.

744

: 00:28:43

I often say that we could all learn

a lot from our dogs and we could

745

: 00:28:47

all learn to be a bit more mindful

746

: 00:28:49

colin spence: Yes.

747

: 00:28:49

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: dog.

748

: 00:28:51

colin spence: Yeah.

749

: 00:28:52

It's important that they get to

big more dog because technically

750

: 00:28:56

their world has shrunk.

751

: 00:28:59

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

752

: 00:29:01

colin spence: from the day dogs were

naturally selecting their own partners.

753

: 00:29:09

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

754

: 00:29:10

colin spence: They don't do that anymore

and they've got less spaces to go because

755

: 00:29:16

of dog fights or people not liking dogs.

756

: 00:29:19

And the world's got smaller.

757

: 00:29:21

They want to lead.

758

: 00:29:23

Yeah.

759

: 00:29:23

Muzzled.

760

: 00:29:24

Yeah.

761

: 00:29:26

so.

762

: 00:29:28

They live in homes.

763

: 00:29:29

They are tiny and small.

764

: 00:29:31

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm

765

: 00:29:31

colin spence: if we can't give them the

opportunity to be a dog lead be able to

766

: 00:29:38

run free, go sniff, go use their nose

and have that lovely physical and verbal

767

: 00:29:44

interaction with their human under, no

768

: 00:29:47

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

769

: 00:29:47

colin spence: of asking 'em to do a, a

sit here, then we're in a better place.

770

: 00:29:54

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I, as humans, we get so bogged

771

: 00:29:56

down with teaching the dog to sit.

772

: 00:29:58

You mentioned about obviously

the olfactory and the sniffing D

773

: 00:30:02

do, do what tend to light scent

work and do more of their nose.

774

: 00:30:05

colin spence: They're,

they're pretty good.

775

: 00:30:06

Yeah.

776

: 00:30:07

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

777

: 00:30:07

colin spence: I've gotta be honest

they're not as good as the rot.

778

: 00:30:09

The yeah.

779

: 00:30:10

Yeah.

780

: 00:30:11

And I think the reason for me is

the fact that I, I'm very, the word?

781

: 00:30:17

If I see something I like, I

really want to look at it more.

782

: 00:30:21

When a Adobe's got their nose and

they're, they're indicating that

783

: 00:30:24

lovely long beak of theirs Yeah.

784

: 00:30:27

Is pointing to the scent, the

rotty little square roundy face.

785

: 00:30:31

It's like, oh God, you on it or not?

786

: 00:30:35

But yeah, they, they make fairly good.

787

: 00:30:38

Yeah.

788

: 00:30:39

They,

789

: 00:30:39

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

790

: 00:30:40

colin spence: Bailey enjoys it.

791

: 00:30:41

He loves it.

792

: 00:30:42

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

793

: 00:30:43

So we have spoken about scent, but would

you say there's any favorite enrichment

794

: 00:30:48

or go-to games for this breed at all?

795

: 00:30:51

colin spence: Searching,

796

: 00:30:53

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Searching yes.

797

: 00:30:54

colin spence: searching,

798

: 00:30:55

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

799

: 00:30:56

colin spence: searching as in said work.

800

: 00:30:59

They love if you, if you can find

something they like go hide it.

801

: 00:31:06

And you give that thing a name

and you ask them to go search for

802

: 00:31:09

it, they'll search all day for it.

803

: 00:31:11

Yeah.

804

: 00:31:11

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

805

: 00:31:12

Okay.

806

: 00:31:12

colin spence: very much like

sprinter spaniels in that sense.

807

: 00:31:15

They won't give up.

808

: 00:31:16

Yeah.

809

: 00:31:17

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

810

: 00:31:17

colin spence: Very robust.

811

: 00:31:18

And if you've hidden something in a, in

a terrain where there is, it's like a

812

: 00:31:23

bit of wooded land and you can record

that Rotty looking for that object.

813

: 00:31:28

Oh my god.

814

: 00:31:29

Yeah.

815

: 00:31:30

That's one

816

: 00:31:30

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

817

: 00:31:30

colin spence: most beautifulest

things you will ever see.

818

: 00:31:33

You know?

819

: 00:31:34

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh wicked.

820

: 00:31:35

Okay.

821

: 00:31:36

colin spence: going away from

their humans to go find Yeah,

822

: 00:31:40

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

823

: 00:31:40

Okay.

824

: 00:31:41

Right searching.

825

: 00:31:41

Brilliant.

826

: 00:31:42

Any other sort of

favorites or games at all?

827

: 00:31:46

colin spence: the they,

828

: 00:31:48

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I.

829

: 00:31:49

colin spence: they have to,

I've got put in here tug where

830

: 00:31:53

they can get a good bite on.

831

: 00:31:55

Yeah.

832

: 00:31:56

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

833

: 00:31:56

colin spence: Because we've

834

: 00:31:57

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

835

: 00:31:58

colin spence: they were

also bred to protect.

836

: 00:32:02

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

837

: 00:32:02

colin spence: Yeah.

838

: 00:32:03

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, they were.

839

: 00:32:05

colin spence: great features is

the, the way they can maneuver

840

: 00:32:08

the mouth or the tug Yeah.

841

: 00:32:10

And actually bite into it

842

: 00:32:12

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

843

: 00:32:13

colin spence: them way they

844

: 00:32:14

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I.

845

: 00:32:14

colin spence: those front feet.

846

: 00:32:15

Yeah.

847

: 00:32:16

And maneuver the rear end adds

in more strength and power.

848

: 00:32:20

Yeah.

849

: 00:32:21

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

850

: 00:32:21

Yeah.

851

: 00:32:22

colin spence: big bloke, but I don't

like playing tough with Vaguely.

852

: 00:32:25

Yeah.

853

: 00:32:27

Especially now they've got sciatica

854

: 00:32:29

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh God.

855

: 00:32:30

colin spence: because

they are a strong dog.

856

: 00:32:32

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Strong.

857

: 00:32:33

Yeah.

858

: 00:32:34

colin spence: Anything they

can do with their jaws.

859

: 00:32:36

Yeah.

860

: 00:32:37

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

861

: 00:32:37

colin spence: freedom where

they can go and sniff.

862

: 00:32:39

Yeah.

863

: 00:32:40

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

864

: 00:32:41

colin spence: to me of the rotty,

God, you, you could tell that about

865

: 00:32:44

a lot of dogs, a lot of breeds.

866

: 00:32:46

But Rockwell is do fare well when

they can use their nose freely.

867

: 00:32:51

No,

868

: 00:32:52

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

869

: 00:32:53

colin spence: Yeah.

870

: 00:32:54

And go search for something.

871

: 00:32:56

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Nice.

872

: 00:32:57

Did I hear you say, is

your dog called Bailey?

873

: 00:32:59

colin spence: Absolutely.

874

: 00:33:00

Yeah.

875

: 00:33:00

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

876

: 00:33:01

Well, I've got a Bailey as well.

877

: 00:33:02

colin spence: Yeah.

878

: 00:33:03

It's

879

: 00:33:03

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

What are the chances?

880

: 00:33:05

colin spence: it's quite a popular name.

881

: 00:33:06

And now I, I, I was thinking of

changing his name, but when I met

882

: 00:33:12

him and I absolutely fell in love

with him, I thought, there's no

883

: 00:33:15

way I'm changing your name, mate.

884

: 00:33:17

Yeah.

885

: 00:33:18

No way.

886

: 00:33:19

That'd

887

: 00:33:19

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Love it.

888

: 00:33:21

Yeah.

889

: 00:33:21

Bless.

890

: 00:33:22

Brilliant.

891

: 00:33:22

What should pet parents be mindful of when

it comes to over arousal or frustration?

892

: 00:33:29

colin spence: Oh,

893

: 00:33:29

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I.

894

: 00:33:31

colin spence: what should the, oh, God.

895

: 00:33:32

Now you've got me going on this

question because I, I, I think

896

: 00:33:37

most of us professionals can say

that's what all we're seeing now,

897

: 00:33:42

dogs that we're highly aroused.

898

: 00:33:46

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

899

: 00:33:46

colin spence: but I break it

into two sections because.

900

: 00:33:51

I don't just think when I see

a dog that's highly aroused

901

: 00:33:55

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

902

: 00:33:56

colin spence: down to the

parent, the pet parent.

903

: 00:33:59

I

904

: 00:33:59

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

905

: 00:34:00

colin spence: have pain

at the back of my mind.

906

: 00:34:03

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

907

: 00:34:04

Yeah, definitely.

908

: 00:34:05

colin spence: Because when we're you

are in a painful situation or feeling

909

: 00:34:10

pain, you know, pain somewhere in the

body, one of the best ways to cure

910

: 00:34:16

it, well, not so much cure it, but

alleviate the pain is through adrenaline.

911

: 00:34:21

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

912

: 00:34:22

colin spence: And if we are excited

and moving around and on the go, yeah.

913

: 00:34:26

we are not feeling the pain as much.

914

: 00:34:29

Yeah.

915

: 00:34:30

So I

916

: 00:34:30

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

917

: 00:34:31

colin spence: consideration

918

: 00:34:33

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

919

: 00:34:34

colin spence: what the rest of the

environment may have to offer to

920

: 00:34:37

employ this dog to be that way as well.

921

: 00:34:40

Yeah.

922

: 00:34:41

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

923

: 00:34:41

colin spence: And then I can advise

the guardian according accordingly.

924

: 00:34:46

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

925

: 00:34:46

Brilliant.

926

: 00:34:47

Okay, cool.

927

: 00:34:49

I love that.

928

: 00:34:49

So, yeah, always, you know, pain

can come out in many different ways

929

: 00:34:53

and we always have to, we always

encourage to explore that, don't we?

930

: 00:34:57

Because often it they, they're

very good at hiding pain.

931

: 00:34:59

Our dogs aren't they as well.

932

: 00:35:01

colin spence: That comes back

to that adrenaline thing again.

933

: 00:35:04

Yeah.

934

: 00:35:04

Yeah.

935

: 00:35:05

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

936

: 00:35:05

So it's always good to

get that checked out.

937

: 00:35:08

Brilliant.

938

: 00:35:08

So I'm really big on when we're

speaking about a Pacific breed that

939

: 00:35:13

if a potential pet parent was looking

to get a Rottweiler as a puppy really

940

: 00:35:20

big on them doing their research.

941

: 00:35:21

So what would you say to a potential

pet parent that's getting, that

942

: 00:35:26

may want to get a Rottweiler as

a puppy, that they should con,

943

: 00:35:29

you know, they should consider.

944

: 00:35:32

colin spence: Size.

945

: 00:35:34

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

946

: 00:35:36

colin spence: Size because they, although

I said they are a to large dog, they're

947

: 00:35:43

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

948

: 00:35:44

colin spence: dog.

949

: 00:35:45

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

950

: 00:35:46

colin spence: Then there

is their, their character.

951

: 00:35:51

'cause

952

: 00:35:51

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

953

: 00:35:52

colin spence: a rotti suits everybody.

954

: 00:35:55

Yeah.

955

: 00:35:55

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Sure.

956

: 00:35:56

colin spence: can't give

them that affection and that

957

: 00:35:58

love they will become a loof.

958

: 00:36:02

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

959

: 00:36:02

colin spence: Yeah.

960

: 00:36:02

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

961

: 00:36:03

colin spence: They will

962

: 00:36:03

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

963

: 00:36:04

colin spence: a loof.

964

: 00:36:05

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

965

: 00:36:05

colin spence: don't want a medium

to large breed rotty being a loof,

966

: 00:36:09

because now we need a behaviourist.

967

: 00:36:12

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

968

: 00:36:12

Okay.

969

: 00:36:13

Yeah.

970

: 00:36:13

colin spence: Yeah.

971

: 00:36:14

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

972

: 00:36:18

colin spence: I used to say they're

not a first time person's dog.

973

: 00:36:22

Not

974

: 00:36:23

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

975

: 00:36:23

colin spence: in the days.

976

: 00:36:24

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

977

: 00:36:25

Okay.

978

: 00:36:25

Okay.

979

: 00:36:25

colin spence: the right person

needs to do their homework.

980

: 00:36:29

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

981

: 00:36:30

colin spence: they're taking on board.

982

: 00:36:32

Yeah.

983

: 00:36:32

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

984

: 00:36:33

colin spence: be honest and serious,

seriously honest with themselves

985

: 00:36:36

that they can give this particular

breed a time, be affection.

986

: 00:36:42

And then C, training aspects.

987

: 00:36:47

Yeah, working aspects.

988

: 00:36:49

Okay.

989

: 00:36:50

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

990

: 00:36:50

It's obviously catering to

their outlets as well, isn't it?

991

: 00:36:53

colin spence: finding

the outlets for them,

992

: 00:36:55

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Right outlets.

993

: 00:36:56

I don't necessarily think if you're

in a one bedroom flat that maybe

994

: 00:36:59

a rotty is maybe the best choice.

995

: 00:37:02

If they're gonna grow into a bigger dog,

you might need a bigger garden or, you

996

: 00:37:06

know would, would you say they're okay

with other pets or other dogs and stuff?

997

: 00:37:11

colin spence: but you know,

just very, just very quickly.

998

: 00:37:14

That's a very interesting

thing you've just said because.

999

: 00:37:18

I've got a few of my books

that actually live in flats,

: 1000

00:37:22,253 --> 00:37:22,793

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

: 1001

00:37:23,364 --> 00:37:23,814

colin spence: so

: 1002

00:37:23,928 --> 00:37:25,433

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's not a, that's not a bad thing.

: 1003

00:37:25,524 --> 00:37:31,014

colin spence: because when I said

about space and their size, yeah.

: 1004

00:37:31,764 --> 00:37:35,334

find that people that tend to

live in social housing Yeah.

: 1005

00:37:36,204 --> 00:37:39,144

their dogs more outside stuff.

: 1006

00:37:39,624 --> 00:37:40,044

Yeah.

: 1007

00:37:40,464 --> 00:37:42,359

Than those that actually have the garden.

: 1008

00:37:43,698 --> 00:37:44,358

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

It's mad.

: 1009

00:37:44,409 --> 00:37:44,799

colin spence: Yeah,

: 1010

00:37:44,958 --> 00:37:45,408

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

: 1011

00:37:45,498 --> 00:37:45,978

Okay.

: 1012

00:37:46,089 --> 00:37:46,929

colin spence: just there.

: 1013

00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:47,499

Yeah.

: 1014

00:37:47,898 --> 00:37:48,438

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

: 1015

00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:50,289

colin spence: left to their own devices.

: 1016

00:37:50,589 --> 00:37:51,069

Yeah.

: 1017

00:37:51,888 --> 00:37:52,338

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

: 1018

00:37:52,509 --> 00:37:55,149

colin spence: Or they've gotta

get up to get up and out.

: 1019

00:37:55,569 --> 00:37:57,189

So they get that space.

: 1020

00:37:57,189 --> 00:37:58,239

They get that time.

: 1021

00:37:58,359 --> 00:37:58,689

Yeah.

: 1022

00:37:59,023 --> 00:37:59,103

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

: 1023

00:37:59,529 --> 00:38:01,809

colin spence: but yeah, I

mean, yeah, space is important

: 1024

00:38:01,929 --> 00:38:03,399

in the sense of the house.

: 1025

00:38:03,579 --> 00:38:03,759

Yeah.

: 1026

00:38:04,068 --> 00:38:05,178

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, Def.

: 1027

00:38:05,208 --> 00:38:08,448

And do you, did you say do they get

on all right with other sort of pets?

: 1028

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Like,

: 1029

00:38:10,509 --> 00:38:11,469

colin spence: 100%.

: 1030

00:38:12,078 --> 00:38:12,528

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

: 1031

00:38:13,218 --> 00:38:13,638

Yeah.

: 1032

00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:16,959

colin spence: Gran likes foxes.

: 1033

00:38:17,838 --> 00:38:18,228

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

: 1034

00:38:18,498 --> 00:38:18,858

Wow.

: 1035

00:38:18,888 --> 00:38:20,208

Most of 'em like Fox P,

: 1036

00:38:21,699 --> 00:38:23,889

colin spence: I'm glad he doesn't

like that part of the fox.

: 1037

00:38:25,323 --> 00:38:27,288

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

it's like an after trim, I tell you.

: 1038

00:38:28,479 --> 00:38:30,339

colin spence: blessed,

he's not that way inclined.

: 1039

00:38:30,819 --> 00:38:32,559

He loves other animals.

: 1040

00:38:33,129 --> 00:38:37,089

They love people, especially people.

: 1041

00:38:37,269 --> 00:38:37,659

Yeah.

: 1042

00:38:38,089 --> 00:38:41,959

And Bailey does have a best

friend who's not a dog, but a cat.

: 1043

00:38:42,868 --> 00:38:42,958

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

: 1044

00:38:43,729 --> 00:38:44,029

colin spence: Yeah,

: 1045

00:38:45,058 --> 00:38:45,688

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

: 1046

00:38:46,078 --> 00:38:46,738

I love that.

: 1047

00:38:46,953 --> 00:38:52,018

Would, would you say that they're more

for people than they are other docs?

: 1048

00:38:52,484 --> 00:38:53,154

colin spence: definitely,

: 1049

00:38:54,178 --> 00:38:54,688

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

: 1050

00:38:55,048 --> 00:38:56,098

I did wonder that.

: 1051

00:38:56,209 --> 00:38:56,539

colin spence: Yeah.

: 1052

00:38:56,989 --> 00:38:59,239

If you look after them right,

they will be beside your side.

: 1053

00:39:00,514 --> 00:39:01,114

Forevermore.

: 1054

00:39:01,114 --> 00:39:02,734

I know a way I could put this.

: 1055

00:39:02,734 --> 00:39:03,604

They're so loyal.

: 1056

00:39:04,084 --> 00:39:04,504

If you've

: 1057

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh my God.

: 1058

00:39:05,128 --> 00:39:06,688

You literally just took

the word outta my mouth.

: 1059

00:39:06,688 --> 00:39:08,578

I was just thinking

loyal as you said that.

: 1060

00:39:08,614 --> 00:39:09,034

colin spence: Yeah.

: 1061

00:39:09,244 --> 00:39:14,794

I mean, if you took a doberman to the

edge of a cliff and ask them to jump,

: 1062

00:39:15,874 --> 00:39:17,734

they're gonna push you over that cliff.

: 1063

00:39:19,759 --> 00:39:23,254

If you take your rotty to the

edge of that cliff and you

: 1064

00:39:23,254 --> 00:39:25,294

ask him to jump, he will jump.

: 1065

00:39:26,128 --> 00:39:26,668

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

: 1066

00:39:26,734 --> 00:39:26,974

colin spence: Yeah.

: 1067

00:39:28,018 --> 00:39:28,558

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

: 1068

00:39:28,678 --> 00:39:29,038

Yeah,

: 1069

00:39:29,464 --> 00:39:30,334

colin spence: him implicitly.

: 1070

00:39:31,408 --> 00:39:31,588

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

: 1071

00:39:31,588 --> 00:39:32,068

I love that.

: 1072

00:39:32,068 --> 00:39:33,448

I love how loyal they are.

: 1073

00:39:33,538 --> 00:39:34,258

That's brilliant.

: 1074

00:39:34,628 --> 00:39:38,318

Colin, if there's one thing

you want people to understand

: 1075

00:39:38,558 --> 00:39:40,273

about Rots, what would it be?

: 1076

00:39:41,744 --> 00:39:43,904

colin spence: Oh, we said

the word so many times.

: 1077

00:39:43,904 --> 00:39:44,894

They're loyalty.

: 1078

00:39:45,338 --> 00:39:46,478

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

: 1079

00:39:47,654 --> 00:39:48,044

colin spence: Yeah,

: 1080

00:39:48,188 --> 00:39:48,878

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh yeah.

: 1081

00:39:48,878 --> 00:39:49,208

Love that.

: 1082

00:39:49,874 --> 00:39:50,894

colin spence: I've gotta say the word.

: 1083

00:39:50,899 --> 00:39:52,119

They're lovely and cuddly.

: 1084

00:39:52,389 --> 00:39:52,679

Yeah.

: 1085

00:39:53,819 --> 00:39:54,039

But.

: 1086

00:39:55,523 --> 00:39:56,243

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

But like me.

: 1087

00:39:56,429 --> 00:39:56,789

colin spence: Yeah.

: 1088

00:39:57,509 --> 00:40:00,239

But equally important,

they're very low maintenance.

: 1089

00:40:00,743 --> 00:40:01,313

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

: 1090

00:40:01,589 --> 00:40:01,889

colin spence: Yeah.

: 1091

00:40:02,589 --> 00:40:02,739

They're

: 1092

00:40:02,828 --> 00:40:03,408

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's good.

: 1093

00:40:03,939 --> 00:40:04,659

colin spence: in any way.

: 1094

00:40:05,518 --> 00:40:05,808

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

: 1095

00:40:06,099 --> 00:40:07,359

colin spence: they have a beautiful coat.

: 1096

00:40:07,629 --> 00:40:09,459

They got the, well say

they got beautiful coat.

: 1097

00:40:09,459 --> 00:40:11,079

They got 1, 2, 3 coats.

: 1098

00:40:11,748 --> 00:40:12,038

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

: 1099

00:40:12,279 --> 00:40:13,119

colin spence: that's the problem.

: 1100

00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:13,539

Yeah.

: 1101

00:40:13,629 --> 00:40:18,219

The one of Tims, the anyone with German

Shepherds will tell you what I mean.

: 1102

00:40:18,459 --> 00:40:18,639

Yeah.

: 1103

00:40:18,819 --> 00:40:20,019

Or border conius.

: 1104

00:40:20,109 --> 00:40:20,469

Yeah.

: 1105

00:40:20,628 --> 00:40:21,888

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yes, the, I have heard

: 1106

00:40:21,888 --> 00:40:23,238

of this under Kate thing.

: 1107

00:40:23,238 --> 00:40:23,568

Yeah,

: 1108

00:40:24,234 --> 00:40:25,299

colin spence: just goes everywhere.

: 1109

00:40:25,944 --> 00:40:27,534

But there are low maintenance.

: 1110

00:40:27,644 --> 00:40:27,974

So

: 1111

00:40:27,998 --> 00:40:28,358

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: that.

: 1112

00:40:28,484 --> 00:40:33,824

colin spence: basically say character,

the, the, the way they are affectionate.

: 1113

00:40:34,664 --> 00:40:36,854

Yes, they are cuddly, but I'm

not saying that people must

: 1114

00:40:36,854 --> 00:40:38,114

get 'em to go, couple them.

: 1115

00:40:38,174 --> 00:40:39,279

That's not what I mean.

: 1116

00:40:40,219 --> 00:40:40,639

But yeah.

: 1117

00:40:41,978 --> 00:40:42,368

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Good.

: 1118

00:40:42,398 --> 00:40:42,908

Okay.

: 1119

00:40:43,098 --> 00:40:46,758

For someone thinking of welcoming, I

know we've probably touched on it, but

: 1120

00:40:47,058 --> 00:40:51,798

if they're looking to welcome a what

into your life, what is your advice?

: 1121

00:40:53,454 --> 00:40:54,144

colin spence: Research

: 1122

00:40:55,068 --> 00:40:55,638

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Good research.

: 1123

00:40:56,574 --> 00:40:57,924

colin spence: finding the right

: 1124

00:41:00,288 --> 00:41:01,128

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

The right breeder?

: 1125

00:41:01,128 --> 00:41:01,578

Yes.

: 1126

00:41:01,583 --> 00:41:02,253

That's important.

: 1127

00:41:02,499 --> 00:41:05,559

colin spence: Now I can honestly put

my hand on my heart and say, here in

: 1128

00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:10,899

the uk, there are several breeders

that are absolutely fantastic.

: 1129

00:41:11,663 --> 00:41:11,883

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm

: 1130

00:41:12,259 --> 00:41:15,469

colin spence: So if you're

not sure, give us a buzz.

: 1131

00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:17,299

I will put you in the right direction.

: 1132

00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:17,779

Yeah.

: 1133

00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:20,269

Funding the right breeder

and doing your research.

: 1134

00:41:21,174 --> 00:41:26,659

because what you don't want is Joe Public

around the corner sending you a puppy,

: 1135

00:41:28,288 --> 00:41:28,378

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

: 1136

00:41:28,438 --> 00:41:29,398

Okay.

: 1137

00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:30,199

colin spence: Because

: 1138

00:41:30,208 --> 00:41:31,258

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Might not even be a body.

: 1139

00:41:32,554 --> 00:41:34,834

colin spence: Don't even

go there because you laugh.

: 1140

00:41:35,624 --> 00:41:36,314

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh God.

: 1141

00:41:36,529 --> 00:41:40,189

colin spence: there are, there are

people that I know have got that problem.

: 1142

00:41:41,158 --> 00:41:42,098

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, bloody ow.

: 1143

00:41:42,609 --> 00:41:42,899

Yeah.

: 1144

00:41:42,979 --> 00:41:44,779

colin spence: know, there are a

few clients that have that problem.

: 1145

00:41:44,779 --> 00:41:46,819

They're not, you can see the

: 1146

00:41:46,828 --> 00:41:47,848

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Not purebreds.

: 1147

00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:48,439

colin spence: Yeah.

: 1148

00:41:48,439 --> 00:41:49,909

You can see the rots there

: 1149

00:41:51,149 --> 00:41:51,749

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

: 1150

00:41:51,949 --> 00:41:54,349

colin spence: but see

something else Is there too.

: 1151

00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:55,399

Yeah.

: 1152

00:41:55,618 --> 00:41:58,579

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I often,

I, I have seen before like a lot lab.

: 1153

00:41:58,969 --> 00:41:59,539

You could tell.

: 1154

00:41:59,694 --> 00:42:03,834

colin spence: that Rotty, cross Coley

as well is quite, quite a popular thing.

: 1155

00:42:04,144 --> 00:42:04,884

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Ah, okay.

: 1156

00:42:04,974 --> 00:42:10,074

colin spence: and rot a, a good

bred Rotty has a distinctive look.

: 1157

00:42:10,999 --> 00:42:11,539

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

: 1158

00:42:11,634 --> 00:42:13,074

colin spence: And you cannot miss it.

: 1159

00:42:13,074 --> 00:42:13,134

Yeah.

: 1160

00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:15,739

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Would you say it's not a good

: 1161

00:42:15,739 --> 00:42:19,549

idea crossing a rotty, you

bringing in another breed with it?

: 1162

00:42:20,249 --> 00:42:21,654

colin spence: I would

definitely agree with that.

: 1163

00:42:21,654 --> 00:42:25,674

There's, I wouldn't personally

set out purposefully to go cross

: 1164

00:42:25,674 --> 00:42:27,054

a rotti with any other dog.

: 1165

00:42:27,924 --> 00:42:28,489

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm hmm.

: 1166

00:42:28,614 --> 00:42:32,604

colin spence: Because

Rotti have what we call a.

: 1167

00:42:33,834 --> 00:42:36,234

An instinctive gardening breed.

: 1168

00:42:36,474 --> 00:42:36,774

Yeah.

: 1169

00:42:37,053 --> 00:42:37,274

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

: 1170

00:42:37,314 --> 00:42:42,024

colin spence: Why would you wanna

pass that onto another dog or pups

: 1171

00:42:42,024 --> 00:42:44,274

or any, I, I, I don't understand.

: 1172

00:42:44,274 --> 00:42:44,394

It.

: 1173

00:42:44,454 --> 00:42:45,744

Can't get my head round it.

: 1174

00:42:46,044 --> 00:42:46,584

You only, no.

: 1175

00:42:46,703 --> 00:42:46,993

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

: 1176

00:42:47,124 --> 00:42:49,254

colin spence: happen,

but that's bad ownership.

: 1177

00:42:50,034 --> 00:42:50,154

Yeah.

: 1178

00:42:50,628 --> 00:42:50,688

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

: 1179

00:42:50,934 --> 00:42:51,144

colin spence: Yeah.

: 1180

00:42:51,204 --> 00:42:54,324

Well, I think dogs should be left alone.

: 1181

00:42:54,904 --> 00:42:59,194

I love the mixes of certain

breeds, cockapoos, CPOs, you

: 1182

00:42:59,194 --> 00:43:00,634

name it, et cetera, et cetera.

: 1183

00:43:01,064 --> 00:43:02,594

That they all make sense to me.

: 1184

00:43:02,594 --> 00:43:05,504

Even the Springer door, not

the springer door, the, yeah.

: 1185

00:43:05,504 --> 00:43:06,224

The springer door.

: 1186

00:43:06,434 --> 00:43:06,794

Yeah.

: 1187

00:43:06,863 --> 00:43:07,443

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

: 1188

00:43:07,473 --> 00:43:07,763

Yeah,

: 1189

00:43:08,144 --> 00:43:10,274

colin spence: Because we've

got working grids in there.

: 1190

00:43:10,394 --> 00:43:10,784

Yeah.

: 1191

00:43:11,563 --> 00:43:11,853

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

: 1192

00:43:11,894 --> 00:43:14,414

colin spence: do something

with that, but I think we

: 1193

00:43:14,768 --> 00:43:14,828

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

: 1194

00:43:15,134 --> 00:43:17,804

colin spence: go mad overboard better.

: 1195

00:43:19,274 --> 00:43:21,309

Guardianship shouldn't allow

these things to happen.

: 1196

00:43:22,388 --> 00:43:22,748

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

: 1197

00:43:23,018 --> 00:43:23,378

Okay.

: 1198

00:43:23,378 --> 00:43:24,098

I love that.

: 1199

00:43:24,098 --> 00:43:28,868

So finding a decent breeder and doing

your research if people are struggling

: 1200

00:43:28,868 --> 00:43:30,548

with a breeder, just to reach out to you.

: 1201

00:43:30,669 --> 00:43:31,519

colin spence: Hundred percent.

: 1202

00:43:32,588 --> 00:43:32,978

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

: 1203

00:43:33,038 --> 00:43:37,358

Colin, we've literally sailed through

this episode, like it's been packed full

: 1204

00:43:37,358 --> 00:43:39,848

of lots of useful nuggets of information.

: 1205

00:43:39,848 --> 00:43:41,168

I've absolutely loved it.

: 1206

00:43:41,168 --> 00:43:44,108

So we're gonna spend the last couple

of minutes just sort of wrapping up.

: 1207

00:43:44,588 --> 00:43:48,418

So I wanted to talk to you about

your podcast, Colin tell our

: 1208

00:43:48,418 --> 00:43:49,858

listeners about your podcast.

: 1209

00:43:49,863 --> 00:43:50,033

You,

: 1210

00:43:50,204 --> 00:43:50,424

colin spence: Oh

: 1211

00:43:50,548 --> 00:43:51,448

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

also do one.

: 1212

00:43:51,709 --> 00:43:52,669

colin spence: embarrassing me now.

: 1213

00:43:52,669 --> 00:43:52,849

Nathan

: 1214

00:43:55,189 --> 00:43:55,609

podcast.

: 1215

00:43:55,798 --> 00:43:58,648

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: sorry,

but I'm all about supporting others.

: 1216

00:43:58,669 --> 00:44:02,474

colin spence: Yeah, I, I, I

started off doing podcast speak,

: 1217

00:44:03,358 --> 00:44:04,378

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

: 1218

00:44:04,459 --> 00:44:07,879

colin spence: ago, and that was on

your Spotify regions and channels.

: 1219

00:44:09,169 --> 00:44:13,579

and then last year I had

this great big notion of.

: 1220

00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:17,459

I think, and Andrew Howell really

made me think this way, by the way.

: 1221

00:44:17,459 --> 00:44:19,019

He does things and I

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: if I did

the more live ish YouTube?

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So it's now called Dogs Do Speak.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

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colin spence: And it's you know, we

have the, I have the YouTube channel,

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and Samantha Wayland is my co-host.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

that's right.

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Yeah.

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colin spence: and we, we've.

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We've not long started, but call, I think

we've got about 20, 20 odd guests already,

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and the channel's rocking and rolling.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, that's brilliant.

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So that's, people can

find that on YouTube.

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Yeah.

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colin spence: can find that on YouTube.

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Dogs do

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Perfect.

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Alright, so Colin, where else can

people learn more about what you do

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or follow along with your work please?

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colin spence: Ooh, I'm

sort of all over the place.

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They can find me on social media, which

is called Meta Now Facebook, Spence.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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colin spence: or they can email me

if they want to follow, you know.

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Ask me questions or advice on

rotti or babies on m MRC dot Spence

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that's about it really.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

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Okay, brilliant.

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Colin Spence, thank you so much

for joining me on The Yappy

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Hour, powered by Yappy today.

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It's been an absolutely fan, fascinating

conversation, and I've loved learning

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and hearing more about you, your work,

and obviously the amazing Rotty breed.

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Thank you so much for joining me today.

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It's been an absolute pleasure.

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colin spence: Thank you

Nathan, for inviting me.

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I, I've looked forward to this and

I've enjoyed it too, so thank you.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, you are most welcome.

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We'll get you on again soon.

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All,

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colin spence: be nice.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

all the best.

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What a fantastic conversation

with Colin Spence.

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Here are a few key takeaways

from today's episode.

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Number one, what while are loyal,

emotionally intelligent, and thrive on

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trust, they're not just working dogs.

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They're deeply bonded family members.

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When supported.

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Wow.

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Number two, early socialization and kind,

consistent training and non-negotiables.

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Positive reinforcement and

relation based relationship based

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training set them up for success.

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Number three, they're

misunderstood, not dangerous.

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Fear-based media portray portrayals

don't reflect the reality of a

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well raised, well supported rotty.

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Number four.

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They need to.

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They need purpose and

presence, not pressure.

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Calm leadership, thoughtful

enrichment and emotional connection.

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Go a long way.

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Colin, thank you so much for your

honesty, passion, and advocacy

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for this incredible breed.

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And to all our listeners, if you're

curious about Rottweilers or want

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to learn more about working with

large breeds, do check out Colin's

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website, Facebook or YouTube channel.

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Dogs do speak.

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If you enjoyed this episode,

please leave a review, share it

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with a fellow dog parent, and

subscribe so you never miss an hour.

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Thanks for listening, and

I'll see you next time.

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