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Episode 1311th October 2022 • Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking • Kirsten Rourke
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In this week's episode of Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking, Kirsten recaps her experience at Adobe Learning Summit, October 4-6, 2022, in Las Vegas, NV. Hear what happened at her session, at the other sessions she facilitated, and why Adobe is Kirsten’s speaker family.

Key take-aways:

  • Practicing what we preach: Kirsten has to adapt when tech issues crop up
  • Kirsten’s biggest surprise: The conference felt like she’d just seen people a few days ago
  • Good speakers don’t compete with each other; speakers compete to be the best version of themselves

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Dr. Allen Partridge - https://www.linkedin.com/in/doctorpartridge/

Anita Horsley - https://www.linkedin.com/in/anitahorsley/

Cara North - https://www.linkedin.com/in/caranorth11/

Damien Bruyndonckx - https://www.linkedin.com/in/damienbkx/

Dawn Mahoney - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dawnjmahoney/

Debbie Richards - https://www.linkedin.com/in/cre8iveii/

Jeff Batt - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffbatt/

Joe Ganci - https://www.linkedin.com/in/elearningjoellc/

Josh Cavalier - https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshcavalier/

Kevin Thorn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinthorn/

Kevin Seigel - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinsiegel/

Paul Wilson - https://www.linkedin.com/in/captivateteacher/

Phil Cowcill - https://www.linkedin.com/in/philcowcill/

Dr. Pooja Jaisingh - https://www.linkedin.com/in/poojajaisingh/

Sarah Mercier - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahcmercier/



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Transcripts

Kirsten:

Hello everyone.

Kirsten:

Welcome to Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking, the

Kirsten:

Early, Early Morning Edition.

Kirsten:

I'm Kirsten Rourke.

Kellie:

Why is it the Early Morning Edition?

Kirsten:

Because I'm in Nevada instead of in Massachusetts,

Kirsten:

and I'm flying to Houston

Kellie:

Why are you

Kirsten:

in two hours.

Kellie:

Why are you in Nevada, Kirsten?

Kellie:

Do tell.

Kirsten:

So the Adobe Learning Summit is, right, is an event that is back

Kirsten:

now, and I got to see my original speaker family, which is awesome.

Kirsten:

I get to see Dr.

Kirsten:

Allen Partridge and Pooja, who I spoke with, like, a hundred

Kirsten:

years ago, and then all my buds.

Kirsten:

And it, oh God, it was wonderful and it's really good attendees.

Kirsten:

It, you know, it's in the, it's in the Mirage and so, you know,

Kirsten:

Vegas, you get to see some stuff.

Kirsten:

I did attempt to play roulette briefly, and then I attempted to play blackjack

Kirsten:

briefly, and I got schooled very nicely by a, a man who was trying to

Kirsten:

help me not make an ass of myself.

Kellie:

Kirsten:

And, so that didn't work and I lost a small amount of money and then

Kirsten:

went to bed, so all good .

Kellie:

That, that seems like a wise choice to, to quit while

Kellie:

you're not too far behind.

Kirsten:

Yeah.

Kirsten:

I, I take out a small amount of money and I go until I lose it, which sometimes

Kirsten:

takes an hour, sometimes takes two.

Kirsten:

This time it took 17 minutes.

Kellie:

Yay.

Kellie:

A new record.

Kirsten:

But, but last night I went out with most of my friends

Kirsten:

and about five of them couldn't be there, but the rest could be there.

Kirsten:

And we went to a lovely restaurant, which was a higher price point than I

Kirsten:

realized it would be, so I feel a little weird about that, but it was still

Kirsten:

fabulous and I got to have amazing food and sit with wonderful people, and we

Kirsten:

talked for hours and it was wonderful.

Kirsten:

So, so the conference is, Adobe's eLearning Summit, so it's basically,

Kirsten:

it's Captivate, it's all the other Adobe related eLearning products.

Kirsten:

And we had key, you know, there was two keynotes.

Kirsten:

I saw one of them.

Kirsten:

And, kind of that's how it's going.

Kirsten:

Obviously you can tell by my voice that I'm a little, I'm a little

Kirsten:

sleepy, but I took some advice from our dearly beloved Bobbie of Innovation

Kirsten:

Women, and I got Throat Coat tea.

Kellie:

Yes.

Kirsten:

Because yesterday or the day before, all the days run together

Kirsten:

now one of, one of my speaker buddies was having a rough throat.

Kirsten:

And so I said, "Oh, you need Throat Coat tea.

Kirsten:

Bobbie says it's the best.

Kirsten:

I will go find some."

Kellie:

Oh

Kirsten:

So I went on a mission and I

Kellie:

Kirsten:

ended up Door Dashing Throat Coat Tea to the Hotel.

Kellie:

Kirsten:

And I had two boxes and I was so proud of myself.

Kirsten:

And I went back and I'm handing it to all the speakers and I'm

Kirsten:

like, "You must have this, you must have this, you must have this.

Kirsten:

Here, you have to have some."

Kirsten:

And it was just, I was moming, so it was fun.

Kellie:

Note to event organizers include Throat Coat tea in your speaker goody bag.

Kirsten:

Yes.

Kirsten:

And I want to give a special shout out to Carasoft and specifically, Anna

Kirsten:

Flynn, who is, I mean, the Carasoft team were four kick ass wonderful people,

Kirsten:

and Anna is a buddy of mine that I've known for years now, and they were

Kirsten:

coming in to help Adobe run the event.

Kirsten:

And they're very, very good at running events, so they ended up covering

Kirsten:

a little more than was intended and doing a lot of filling in and patching,

Kirsten:

because it was back after the pandemic, first time, kind of rough, you know.

Kirsten:

So, so they did an awesome, awesome, awesome job.

Kirsten:

And the Adobe people are huge hearted, wonderful folks who you know, were

Kirsten:

just like, "Okay, what can we do?

Kirsten:

What can we put on?"

Kirsten:

And so it was, you know, it was good to be back.

Kellie:

Well, I want to know, what did you talk about?

Kellie:

You're not there just as an attendee.

Kellie:

You're there as a speaker.

Kirsten:

That's true.

Kirsten:

So I had a specific session on taking a storyboard to a finished project

Kirsten:

in Adobe Captivate in an hour.

Kirsten:

And, so I did that session and ended up, because of technical issues, I, our

Kirsten:

thing is pivot in the moment, right?

Kirsten:

So within, so I started off with my normal thing.

Kirsten:

I put on music, so I was rocking the Pentatonix, and I was up in front of

Kirsten:

the room doing my little dancing around being a goofball so that people knew what

Kirsten:

they were getting, because it was nine o'clock in the morning and it's Vegas.

Kirsten:

So I'm like, "Okay, come on, come on in," and I got a full room.

Kirsten:

And then started out, and there was enough issues with the version and

Kirsten:

the exercise files and things that I, within, you know, 15 minutes was

Kirsten:

like, "Okay, so we're shifting a little and I'm doing this," and I just

Kirsten:

morphed the class into something else.

Kirsten:

And I did part of it as a demo and then showed them what needed to be,

Kirsten:

you know, I needed to show them.

Kirsten:

And then in the Q&A, I did a full "Bring it.

Kirsten:

What do you want to know about Captivate?"

Kirsten:

And so I went into all bells and whistles and little stuff, and I showed

Kirsten:

them how to customize the workspace and bring panels to another monitor,

Kirsten:

and that actually got applause.

Kirsten:

So I was very happy.

Kirsten:

I was

Kellie:

Nice

Kirsten:

very, very happy.

Kirsten:

It was fun.

Kirsten:

There's also a, upcoming software, an, the next iteration of

Kirsten:

Captivate is called Project Charm.

Kirsten:

And for now, Captivate itself is going to remain, it's going

Kirsten:

to become Classic Captivate.

Kirsten:

It's gonna exist for a while.

Kellie:

Wait, wait

Kirsten:

And Project Charm is, yeah,

Kellie:

Classic Captivate?

Kellie:

Is this like Coke Classic?

Kirsten:

It, it is, it is like Coke Classic.

Kirsten:

It's, it's going to be a little weird.

Kirsten:

So Captivate 2019 is the current version.

Kirsten:

It's probably going to be called Classic Captivate, I'm suspecting, because that's

Kirsten:

how Adobe rolls and that's going to exist.

Kirsten:

And then Project Charm is the new responsive version of Captivate that's

Kirsten:

in sort of a early, early, early beta.

Kirsten:

And so we had a test kitchen of users being able to come in and work with it

Kirsten:

under heavy NDA, so they can't talk about.

Kirsten:

And so they got to experience it and I helped out with that.

Kirsten:

And then my buddy, Allen Partridge, who is the lead evangelist

Kirsten:

and like the, the master of ceremonies and captain wonderful.

Kirsten:

At one point, I kind of went up to him and I'm like, "Okay, I'm done.

Kirsten:

I, I got nothing else to do."

Kirsten:

And he goes, "Well, I told them to have you facilitate a bunch of stuff."

Kirsten:

And I said, "Nope.

Kirsten:

Nope.

Kirsten:

Nobody reached out," and he turned, he literally turned, reached out, grabbed

Kirsten:

a Adobe person in a black shirt, pulled him over and said, "This is Kirsten.

Kirsten:

She should be facilitating tomorrow.

Kirsten:

Make that," and the guy went, "Oh, okay," and started handing me papers.

Kellie:

Wow.

Kirsten:

And so the next day, I'm facilitating in this

Kirsten:

room, which was a workshop.

Kirsten:

And it was great because it was round tables of, "Okay, here's your case study,

Kirsten:

and you need to sit down and figure out how you're going to hit these objectives.

Kirsten:

And then you got a five minute presentation to give the room

Kirsten:

and the winners win, earn prizes.

Kellie:

Wait,

Kirsten:

And it was fun as hell

Kellie:

Winners earn prizes?

Kirsten:

Winners earn prizes.

Kirsten:

It was awesome.

Kellie:

I want to know what kind of prizes.

Kirsten:

It was a, honestly, I don't, I saw the box, but

Kirsten:

I think it was a drink kit.

Kirsten:

Like it was a little, you know, sort of mixed kit.

Kirsten:

But there was enough for two.

Kirsten:

We had four groups, so two groups got to win.

Kirsten:

And so that was lovely.

Kirsten:

And everybody did really well

Kellie:

Nice

Kirsten:

and I was kind of the hitter to do extra analysis.

Kirsten:

So everybody got to rate everyone else, and then I'm doing deeper

Kirsten:

review to be a tiebreaker, but we didn't need a tiebreaker.

Kirsten:

So at the end I kind of walked up to a couple people and I pointed at one person

Kirsten:

and said, "Are you doing public speaking?"

Kirsten:

And he said, "No."

Kirsten:

I said, "You need to think about that.

Kirsten:

You've got natural gift.

Kirsten:

So you should be doing it."

Kirsten:

And this guy's like, "What?"

Kirsten:

And then everyone at this table is nodding and I'm like, "No, dude,

Kirsten:

seriously, like, you need, look for a Toastmasters or something.

Kirsten:

You should, you should branch into that."

Kirsten:

And then was kind of telling other people like, "Here's what

Kirsten:

you did amazing, by the way.

Kirsten:

This was really creative" and kind of giving people their, their bits

Kirsten:

because what blew my mind about this group, and these are people who came

Kirsten:

back after a long session, so these were the high, these were the, people

Kirsten:

who are really like ready to go.

Kirsten:

But normally for new speakers or people who aren't speakers, you

Kirsten:

get the flush of the face and

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

you get stammering.

Kirsten:

You get the body language and you get the ums.

Kirsten:

I had a remarkable low number of ums.

Kellie:

Wow.

Kirsten:

Really remarkable, like I was ticking it off on

Kirsten:

a paper going, "Whoa, okay."

Kirsten:

And then I was looking for the body language and I was looking for the

Kirsten:

lack of eye contact and the sweating.

Kirsten:

I didn't see any of it.

Kirsten:

Like

Kellie:

Nice

Kirsten:

there were only, there was only one or two experienced people

Kirsten:

in that room for public speaking, but everybody did a beautiful job.

Kirsten:

And I was just like, "Oh, awesome."

Kirsten:

So I went around kind of going, "Yes, yes, you rock, you rock, you rock."

Kirsten:

Because we want everybody to be able to do this.

Kirsten:

So

Kellie:

That was impressive.

Kirsten:

Yeah, it really was.

Kirsten:

It really was.

Kirsten:

So I was, I was pleased.

Kellie:

Kudos to you for taking the opportunity to do extra and sort

Kellie:

of point out this is what's really succeeding in what you were doing.

Kellie:

That's not the point of the session we're having.

Kirsten:

Yeah.

Kellie:

But I'm going to give you this feedback on top of the point

Kellie:

of what we're doing in the workshop.

Kellie:

I think that's really cool.

Kirsten:

Well, it was, it was lovely because basically I had permission

Kirsten:

to do that, so that was amazing.

Kirsten:

And, and I'm just like, "Ooh, people who could, who could be part of the family.

Kirsten:

Come on in."

Kirsten:

Because at dinner last night, I was saying at one, at several points, I literally,

Kirsten:

and this will work for the video people, but not for the folks who are

Kirsten:

listening to the audio, so just imagine.

Kirsten:

At several moments, my face went into, like, Disney Princess bliss

Kirsten:

of, like, "aaaah," you know,

Kellie:

Kirsten:

because I was like just, I had my drink and my wonderful dinner

Kirsten:

and my people and I was so happy.

Kirsten:

And Josh Cavalier is on the other side of the table looking at me cracking

Kirsten:

up and he's like, "You look happy."

Kirsten:

And I'm like, "I'm with my speaker family.

Kirsten:

I'm so happy."

Kirsten:

Because these are my original speaker friends.

Kirsten:

I may, I've known, I've known these folks forever.

Kirsten:

And so it was just like, "I get to be with my family again," because, as Innovation

Kirsten:

Women, Bobbie Carlton says, "Speakers need speaker friends," well, only speakers

Kirsten:

really understand what speakers do.

Kellie:

Mm-hmm.

Kirsten:

Like, everybody tries to understand, but unless you

Kirsten:

do it, you don't really get it.

Kirsten:

Like, I spoke on Thursday and Wednesday, everyone's saying,

Kirsten:

"Oh, your session's tomorrow."

Kirsten:

And I'm like, "Yeah, okay.

Kirsten:

Yeah, it's, it's, it's gonna be great.

Kirsten:

I'm gonna, you know," and I was totally calm, which was weird.

Kellie:

Kirsten:

And a little part of me was going, "Where's the nerves?

Kirsten:

Where's the nerves?

Kirsten:

What's going on?"

Kirsten:

And people are like, "You ready for tomorrow?"

Kirsten:

I'm like, "Yeah, it's gonna be awesome."

Kirsten:

They're like, "You're nervous?"

Kirsten:

I'm like, "No, it's all good."

Kirsten:

And a few of my speaker friends looked at me and were like, "Hmm.

Kirsten:

Interesting."

Kirsten:

And they didn't say anything.

Kirsten:

And I was kind of a little part of me worried going, "That's not it.

Kirsten:

That's not cool.

Kirsten:

Because you, you have nerves, right?"

Kellie:

Yeah.

Kirsten:

So just like ok.

Kirsten:

Woke up Thursday morning in a dead panic

Kellie:

Kirsten:

and went, "Oh, there you are.

Kirsten:

Hello nerves."

Kellie:

Your nerves were jetlagged.

Kellie:

They hadn't caught up yet.

Kirsten:

Exactly.

Kirsten:

And I woke up at 5:30 on Thursday morning and was like,

Kirsten:

"All right, I'm speaking today.

Kirsten:

Okay.

Kirsten:

Okay."

Kirsten:

And I was pumped, right.

Kirsten:

So when I get into the room, I'm like, I have enough energy that my

Kirsten:

hands are starting to shake, right,

Kellie:

Oh

Kirsten:

because that's kind of what happens.

Kirsten:

So I put on my music and I start dancing, and I'm doing my thing because

Kirsten:

I can't just stand there quietly.

Kellie:

No

Kirsten:

"Welcome to the room.

Kirsten:

Please come in and sit down."

Kirsten:

No, I mean, ugh.

Kirsten:

No, you can't do that.

Kirsten:

So, I'm like, "Come on in.

Kirsten:

Party's fine.

Kirsten:

Yeah, let's go."

Kirsten:

And I put up on the slide, I'm your cruise director, so I said, "Yes.

Kirsten:

We will be doing shuffle board on the Lido deck.

Kirsten:

Everyone please bring your drinks because the bartender is not so good,"

Kellie:

Kirsten:

and you know, just starting the party.

Kirsten:

And it was, it was fun.

Kirsten:

It was fun.

Kirsten:

I love, I love doing this and I got to do several things and sit in on

Kirsten:

people's sessions and see my other, you know, see my buddies work.

Kirsten:

I, I saw the keynote and I cannot help but be me about it.

Kirsten:

I started taking notes on

Kellie:

Kirsten:

what I would change.

Kirsten:

Like, I was like, "This is good.

Kirsten:

This is good.

Kirsten:

Keep that slide, ditch that.

Kirsten:

No Uhuh, don't do that,"

Kellie:

Kirsten:

and I could not help it.

Kirsten:

And so at one point, we're doing a cocktail hour and one of my,

Kirsten:

one of my dear friends from Adobe said, "So what did you think?"

Kirsten:

And I said, "Well, I, I, I think she did really well.

Kirsten:

I would give her 20 minutes of coaching."

Kirsten:

And he went, "Really?

Kirsten:

On what?"

Kirsten:

And I'm like, "She needs to breathe.

Kirsten:

She needs to breathe."

Kirsten:

Because she came out at 11, she came out

Kellie:

Oh!

Kirsten:

At energy full tilt and she stayed at 10.5 the entire time.

Kellie:

Oh, okay.

Kirsten:

And I was like, "No, no, you need to stop, breathe, let the

Kirsten:

energy go down, then bring back up.

Kirsten:

You need to wave.

Kirsten:

It needs to be waves, not, .

Kellie:

Yup.

Kirsten:

And he goes, "Well people were really enjoying it."

Kirsten:

I said, "Yes.

Kirsten:

And it also made some of us tired."

Kirsten:

And he went, "Really?"

Kirsten:

And I'm like, "I am extra picky.

Kirsten:

Please understand.

Kirsten:

I am not the normal, so do not go by me.

Kirsten:

But yeah, I would give her 20 minutes of very specific coaching

Kirsten:

and like, "This was awesome.

Kirsten:

That was awesome.

Kirsten:

That was amazing.

Kirsten:

And breathe."

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

"Honey, just stop.

Kirsten:

Literally let two minutes of, you know, not two minutes,

Kirsten:

two seconds of silence happen.

Kirsten:

It will not kill you.

Kirsten:

.

Kellie:

Yeah.

Kirsten:

And then come back in, because the audience needs it.

Kellie:

Absolutely.

Kirsten:

The audience needs it as much as you do."

Kirsten:

And she was wonderful.

Kirsten:

She's, she's gorgeous, she's super fit, she's got energy, she's charismatic.

Kirsten:

Like, you know, she had the good stories.

Kirsten:

Like she, she nailed so much of it.

Kirsten:

So it was just funny because, you know, people were like, "What did you think?"

Kirsten:

And I'm like, "Well, I took notes.

Kirsten:

I'm like,"

Kellie:

"Here they are."

Kirsten:

Here they are.

Kirsten:

Here's my notes, so.

Kellie:

So, I don't think I'm going to ask you what was your favorite moment, because

Kellie:

I think you probably couldn't pick one.

Kirsten:

No.

Kellie:

But I want to ask you, what was the most surprising

Kellie:

about this trip for you?

Kirsten:

I think the most surprising thing was how much it felt like I had seen Josh

Kirsten:

and Debbie and Dawn and Kevin, you know, and, and Damien and I'm, I'm missing

Kirsten:

people's names, like Joe, I'm like, I'm going to drop people's names off.

Kirsten:

And I'm, I apologize, but my God, it felt like I'd seen them last week.

Kellie:

That's wonderful.

Kirsten:

Like, like just within a moment.

Kirsten:

I mean, one of my, one of my dear buddies, Damien, is, is this lovely, lovely man

Kirsten:

and he, when I first met him, he, he's, he's an affectionate, he's a very, he's a

Kirsten:

wonderful kind of theatrical person, but he's not, like, theatrical at my level.

Kirsten:

He's normal person theatrical.

Kirsten:

And so when I met him, he was this very nice, you know,

Kirsten:

sweet upright man from Belgium.

Kirsten:

And Anita introduced me to him and I threw my arms around him and gave

Kirsten:

him a hug because I forgot I had never met him before, like Anita

Kirsten:

introduced him, so he's family, right?

Kirsten:

And the, he, he stood there and he, he stood there with his arms

Kirsten:

pinned and he went, "I'm Belgian.

Kirsten:

I, we don't, I don't know you.

Kirsten:

Um, what's your name?"

Kirsten:

And I, I went, "Oh my God, I'm so sorry."

Kirsten:

And I backed off and I was like, mortified.

Kirsten:

And he's like, "No, it's fine.

Kirsten:

No, it's fine.

Kirsten:

It's fine."

Kirsten:

And I thought, "Oh my God, I epicly screwed this up."

Kirsten:

And not even half an hour later he's like, going, "Well, do I get another hug?"

Kirsten:

You know, like, he was just lovely.

Kirsten:

He kind of rolled with it and he's like,

Kellie:

Fabulous.

Kirsten:

"I'm not, I, you know, in Belgium we're not quite used to that."

Kirsten:

I'm like, "They're not used to in America either."

Kirsten:

I'm like, "It's not a, it's not, it's not a Brussels thing."

Kirsten:

And then, the next event, and this was, I don't know, 12 years ago, I walked

Kirsten:

in the room, and I see him across the room and he goes, "Where's my hug?"

Kirsten:

And he's done that every event since.

Kirsten:

And I'm like,

Kellie:

Oh, I love that.

Kirsten:

"Yes, That's my buddy, it's my Damian."

Kirsten:

And it was just wonderful.

Kirsten:

So, we were busting his, we were busting his ass this time because

Kirsten:

Anita and I both decided that we would officially dub him the, the

Kirsten:

unofficial boyfriend of the event.

Kirsten:

And he's like,

Kellie:

Kirsten:

"Uh, I have a girlfriend.

Kirsten:

And I would never," I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no.

Kirsten:

We're not talking that.

Kirsten:

You are not being passed around.

Kirsten:

That is not this kind of event."

Kellie:

Oh dear.

Kellie:

Oh, no, no, no, no.

Kirsten:

No, no.

Kirsten:

This is the, this is the unofficial monog, like fully monogamous, has a relationship

Kirsten:

somewhere with an awesome woman.

Kirsten:

His girlfriend's amazing, but we were just busting his chops going, "No,

Kirsten:

you're the official Adobe boyfriend.

Kirsten:

We've just, we've decided."

Kirsten:

And he was like, "Hmm, I don't know.

Kirsten:

I have to think about that."

Kirsten:

It was great.

Kellie:

Okay, well

Kirsten:

He's like, he's like determining whether that's gonna be a thing.

Kellie:

Well, the, the unofficial motto of Vegas, what stays in,

Kellie:

happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

Kirsten:

Unless you talk about it on a podcast

Kellie:

Unless you talk about it on a podcast, there's that.

Kirsten:

Yeah.

Kellie:

But speaking of podcast, are we going to preview what's coming up or

Kellie:

are we going to save that for next time?

Kirsten:

I think we're going to save everything, except that we

Kirsten:

have some really fun interviews.

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

and we have a demo of a coaching session and I will be able to

Kirsten:

talk about what I'm doing tomorrow, so.

Kellie:

Mm-hmm.

Kirsten:

It's 7:46 in the morning in Vegas right now.

Kellie:

Wow

Kirsten:

I am going to pack.

Kirsten:

I'm going to head for the airport.

Kirsten:

I'm going to get on a plane and fly to Houston, and then tomorrow I'm

Kirsten:

recording my first ever TEDx and

Kellie:

Yay!

Kirsten:

And when that is, I'm going to, I'm, I'm manifesting the positive, when

Kellie:

Yes

Kirsten:

that's accepted by the TED Board officially and is put up and is

Kirsten:

allowed to be public, then I'm going to be broadcasting that sucker everywhere.

Kirsten:

Like I'm gonna buy

Kellie:

Plaster it

Kirsten:

billboards with video on it.

Kirsten:

Like I'm going to, I'm going to skywriting go to TEDx and watch.

Kellie:

Kirsten:

So I'm going to be sharing it with everybody because that's the thing

Kirsten:

that today, until I pass out in my hotel from just sheer exhaustion, I'm going

Kirsten:

to be running that speech in my head.

Kirsten:

And the poor people on the airplane, because I will be

Kirsten:

doing the "All right step to the right, hands like this, hands in,

Kellie:

Kirsten:

reach out, da da.

Kirsten:

Okay, da da."

Kirsten:

Because I want all of it, right?

Kellie:

Yeah.

Kirsten:

So, I need to make sure my face is doing the right thing.

Kirsten:

My hands are communicating the right way.

Kirsten:

My body is doing the right thing.

Kirsten:

The words are in, you know, get inflected correctly.

Kellie:

Yep.

Kirsten:

Like I'm trying to make sure the whole package is right, and I was

Kirsten:

telling everybody at dinner, well, oh God, that's, I told them more

Kirsten:

than once because I repeat myself,

Kellie:

Kirsten:

that my brain is evil and as you know, I have negative

Kirsten:

self talk and I named her Becky.

Kirsten:

So my Becky in the back of my brain is the mean girl that likes

Kirsten:

to sneak up and say nasty crap.

Kirsten:

So, two days ago Becky spoke up and went, "You know, you're doing

Kirsten:

a TEDx and they're gonna hate you.

Kirsten:

And then everyone will know you're a fraud and no one will hire you for coaching."

Kellie:

Becky!

Kirsten:

And I literally was standing in the bathroom here and it was, so

Kirsten:

this was, yeah, so it's Friday, so two days ago, days run together, I'm

Kirsten:

looking in the mirror and I literally, the poor people in the rooms next to me,

Kirsten:

I'm literally going, "Becky, shut it."

Kellie:

Good for you.

Kirsten:

I'm putting on my makeup.

Kirsten:

I'm like, "Just shut up" and I'm, like, because, oh my brain, just.

Kirsten:

But there's one thing I want to say to everybody who's listening

Kirsten:

and watching this on video.

Kirsten:

If you are not part of an established speaker community, there's something you

Kirsten:

might not be aware of, which is speakers, at least all the ones I've ever met and

Kirsten:

all the ones that are decent, and with the exception of maybe a few people at the

Kirsten:

very top ranks who are kind of not awesome human beings, but really good presenters,

Kirsten:

speakers don't compete with speakers.

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

Speakers compete with themselves.

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

So, you may want someone's gig, like you may kind of go, "Oh, I wish I had

Kirsten:

that," but you're not knocking, you know, you're not knocking them off the perch.

Kirsten:

You're not trying to get their gig.

Kirsten:

You're trying to get your best version of you.

Kellie:

Yeah.

Kirsten:

So the TEDx, for me, Becky was saying, "You have to be the best speaker,

Kirsten:

ever, because you're coaching this stuff.

Kirsten:

So therefore, if people see you and they see you're not the best

Kirsten:

ever, they're not gonna hire you."

Kirsten:

And it's like, "No, I have to be the best version of me."

Kellie:

Yes!

Kirsten:

Now, I can be the best me speaker.

Kirsten:

I cannot be the way, you know, my friends are.

Kellie:

Mm-hmm.

Kirsten:

Like, every one of us at that table has a distinct style,

Kirsten:

has a personality when we present.

Kirsten:

And that is part of what, part of the package.

Kellie:

Absolutely.

Kirsten:

So

Kellie:

Like, you're not everybody's flavor and that's okay.

Kirsten:

Yeah, exactly.

Kirsten:

I mean, Pooja Jaisingh is the, the, she's the, she's the heart

Kirsten:

and soul of, like, our community.

Kirsten:

And she's just this hug on legs.

Kirsten:

Beautiful, beautiful Indian woman and just a sweetheart.

Kirsten:

And she was, used to be the Adobe evangelist for Captivate and

Kirsten:

has, has moved on to, to other things, but she's still part of

Kirsten:

our family and she still speaks.

Kirsten:

And her speaking style is this very warm, sweet, friendly, like I said,

Kirsten:

hug, like she's a hug personified.

Kirsten:

I could never do that.

Kirsten:

I could never, mine is irreverent.

Kirsten:

It's mouthy.

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

It's sarcastic and

Kellie:

Nooooo

Kirsten:

Yeah, a little.

Kirsten:

And so, you know, you can't.

Kirsten:

Now, the downside to my version is that Josh took pictures of me in my session,

Kirsten:

and every single one of them has me with a different facial expression, none of which

Kirsten:

are really good photos, but they're all funny because I'm expressive as hell, but

Kirsten:

my expressions are all like, Ugh, me, huh?

Kellie:

Kirsten:

You know?

Kirsten:

And so I'm doing all these faces and he's like, "Oh look, you're very expressive."

Kirsten:

I'm like, "Yes, I am."

Kellie:

Yes you are.

Kirsten:

I am that.

Kirsten:

Kellie:

Well, I think on that note, we should let you get to the

Kellie:

airport and on to the next thing.

Kirsten:

Yes.

Kirsten:

Need to pack, so.

Kellie:

Find us in the socials.

Kellie:

Look for us on LinkedIn in the Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking group.

Kirsten:

Yes.

Kellie:

And Kirsten, I think you need to close us out.

Kirsten:

I think, thank you everybody.

Kirsten:

Hugs all around and I'll see you guys after Houston.

Kellie:

Cheers.

Kirsten:

Bye, everybody.

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