How to Turn Disadvantages into Advantages with Terry Duperon
Episode 1139th June 2023 • Total Michigan • Cliff Duvernois
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Terry Duperon discovered in third grade that he couldn't read. Today we know this as dyslexia. But when Terry was a child, you were labelled as stupid. While most would hide in the corner, Terry decided to make his dyslexia work for him. Today he owns Duperon Corporation, a multi-million dollar company. And he also founded his own school.

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Terry Duperon:

I think for a long time I hid that I was dyslexic,

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that I couldn't read and write.

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One day I decided that I had to quit doing that.

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Okay, this is what I am, this is what I'm gonna go through life in.

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And now I see it as a gift . At first it was a detriment.

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So I think once I started to see my life, these things I have as a gift.

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not a penalty.

Cliff Duvernois:

Hello everyone, and welcome to Total Michigan, where we

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interview ordinary Michiganders who are doing some pretty extraordinary things.

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I am your host Cliff DuVernois.

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Today's guest had everything stacked against him.

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After being ridiculed by his teachers and his fellow students.

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Because he couldn't read.

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He decided to drop out of high school.

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But come to find out, his quote unquote disability actually turned

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out to be his greatest asset.

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And now this high school dropped out, who has struggled to read, now owns a

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multimillion dollar corporation, has created hundreds of high paying jobs

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and has even started his own school.

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Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the show, the founder of Duperon

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Corporation and Duperon Education.

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That would be Terry Duperon.

Cliff Duvernois:

Terry, how are you?

Terry Duperon:

I'm good so far.

Cliff Duvernois:

Excellent.

Cliff Duvernois:

Why don't you tell us a little bit about where you're from and where you grew up?

Terry Duperon:

I'm from Indian Town, which is in Saginaw County.

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I grew up on a farm and.

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I really didn't wanna be a farmer.

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I liked the mechanics of the farm.

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But I didn't like farming.

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So once I was 18, I left the farm and got a series of odd jobs.

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I finally got one where I cleaned parts for a machine

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builder and just steam cleaner.

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And then they, that turned into apprenticeship.

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I just, I started to understand mechanics much better.

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And then I went into drawing.

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I learned to read prints and bill machines, and then learned to draw 'em.

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And then eventually I got my first patent.

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. It all begun there.

Cliff Duvernois:

So as a child you were dyslexic.

Terry Duperon:

Yeah, I, and most of my life I couldn't read and write.

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And I can read a little better in the last six years.

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I make myself read every day.

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So I'm getting a little better at it.

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But not great.

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And I can't write it.

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I don't write.

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And so I dictate that.

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What happened to me is in the third grade, my third grade teacher asked

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me to stand in front of the class and read a first grade book, Dick and Jane.

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And I could not read it.

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Then I knew there was something wrong with me.

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Cuz I couldn't do what everybody else is doing easily.

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And now I'm exposed to everybody in my world's in that room.

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And so it was the first time I ever felt inferior.

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I got sick to my stomach up.

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It was a changing moment in my life.

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I knew something was wrong with me.

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So that year we just, we studied the inventors, Eli Whitney, Edison, Henry

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Ford, and they become my heroes.

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I thought they only had to do one thing, and they were rich and famous.

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And now as time went on, I found out it was more than one thing,

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but I started to pursue that dream.

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My dream was clear to me I was gonna be an inventor and make

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my living off my inventions.

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I tore everything apart on the farm, couldn't get it back together.

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But I was learning slow, slowly, learning.

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At great odds with my dad cuz he needed that stuff.

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I eventually ended up, I think when I was 18 or 20 with a first patent.

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They had come in the mail.

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It's a US patent office, Terry Duperon Inventor.

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Put me right back into third grade.

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Oh, wow.

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So I, I remember committing to that dream.

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Now I'm saying, how does a third grade boy cause that future?

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Okay.

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How do you do that?

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And it, and I end up creating a class around that as well.

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I have Duperon Education.

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And it focuses on how creative people think.

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And it doesn't matter what you create.

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If you create a business, you're an entrepreneur.

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If you create a machine, you're an inventor, painting artist, book author.

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But it's the same thing.

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It's the same ability to bring some something in into

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the future doesn't exist now.

Cliff Duvernois:

It's interesting that you, at that point in time in your

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life when you were the most vulnerable, That all, I don't know if it's fate,

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but you start studying inventors.

Terry Duperon:

No, just mechanics.

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Cause I couldn't read the book.

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So I couldn't really study the inventor.

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We just, they talked about it in school and they become my heroes.

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So I just believe they could do that one thing.

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I didn't know what it would be.

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So I just started to have at it.

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And the dream is extremely powerful in our lives.

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So as I got studying that further, I'm thinking it's probably the

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most powerful thing in our lives is ability to dream that vague notion.

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You don't know how to get there.

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You don't know how to do it.

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But you believe it could happen.

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And I think it's, it's not magic.

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Once you have a dream, it puts you in the inquiry.

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You're always looking for the next clear step to get to your dream.

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And I think we talked earlier, it's if you buy a new red car, red cars everywhere.

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Yeah.

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Because now you're aware of red cars.

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Yeah.

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Recticular activation.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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So it's human nature to do that.

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Well, when you have a dream, it's human nature to start

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seeking out the next clear step.

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And it, the how to always shows itself.

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The dream has taken me a long ways, much way beyond my expectations.

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And basically all I do now is I have two things.

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I don't know where, I don't know what I'm supposed to say in this,

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but I was an atheist for a long time.

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And eventually I yielded.

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I surrendered and asked God to come in my life.

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Nothing happened.

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So a year and a half later I realized, I have a sense of

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gratitude I hadn't had before.

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Six months after that, I seen it.

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From that night forward, from the night I surrender before

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that life was defeating me.

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I become less able, less competent to take care of things.

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And then from that day forward, nothing's ever defeated me.

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Makes me squirm.

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But it doesn't defeat me.

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So something happened to me that night.

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That's clear to me.

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I don't, cuz I had not read the book, but I bit bits and pieces.

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I hear what, when I finally surrendered and come to my creator,

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he never said shame on you.

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He just tilt your head and say, Look over here Terry, I have something more for you.

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I just do it.

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I just head for the dream.

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Take the next clear step.

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That's my act of faith.

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I don't need to know where the step's taken me.

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I just do it because it's clear.

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And then my trust of my of God is I don't ask for two steps.

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I don't go in the future.

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I have a really good imagination.

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I can scare the heck outta myself.

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So I don't go there.

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All of that got me where we are now.

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. And to me, I, you never arrive.

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I'm still on this journey.

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I don't know where it'll take me next.

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But I'm open to go there.

Cliff Duvernois:

So let's go back cuz you were talking before about

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when you were 18, 20 years old, you got that official package Yeah.

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from the US Patent Office.

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Yeah.

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That said, had your name on Air, Terry.

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Inventor.

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What did that feel like?

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So what was it like to actually hold that in your hand?

Terry Duperon:

That was exciting and I got it.

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I got cuz it put me back to the third grade.

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I got that kid caused this and how would he do that?

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So when I was asked to teach senior engineers at the university,

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I was trying to figure out how that third grade boy did that.

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. So I concluded it's in the way you think.

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That's the only difference.

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The people I was teaching at the university were smarter than me, way

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more educated than me, could read and write , but the only difference

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could be is the way I think.

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I could get patents and I could start businesses.

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And they struggled with that.

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So I set out to find that difference.

Cliff Duvernois:

So you've gotten a patent.

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, You've gotten more patents.

Cliff Duvernois:

Yes.

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And you were talking about getting a patent and starting a business.

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So I know there's a couple different avenues that you could have taken.

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You very real, you could have gotten the patent and then licensed that out

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to somebody else, and then just collect a royalty check for the rest of your

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life, play golf or whatever it is.

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But you opted to take that probably the hardest journey of anything,

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and that is to start a business.

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So why did you decide to do that?

Terry Duperon:

I make all my decisions based on who I am.

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I know who I am by the things I love and care about that matter

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to me, make a difference to me.

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Not all my faults.

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I don't look at those.

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I just look at the core.

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And I got to patent and I got choices, probably hundreds of

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choices that you could do with that.

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But I had the dream, which was the lifestyle of Henry Ford, I think.

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Okay.

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Which meant I had to start my own business.

Cliff Duvernois:

Interesting.

Cliff Duvernois:

You pick Henry Ford, but Okay.

Terry Duperon:

Go.

Terry Duperon:

Yeah, I was fascinated with Henry Ford.

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He had a lot of flaws, but he had some, And the thing on my wall right

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now, it says it was from Henry Ford.

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It says, I ask them what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse.

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. And so most people can see what exists now, Henry could see beyond that.

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Okay.

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Another way to do it.

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So most of us just deal with what's known, not what's unknown.

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He could do that.

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So I think that's what inventors do.

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They see beyond what's here now.

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And they bring something in the future doesn't exist now.

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He probably was the key figure as my hero.

Cliff Duvernois:

And with that, we're gonna take a quick

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break to thank our sponsors.

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When we come back, Terry is gonna share some of his early

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struggles in this business and how he finally came out on top.

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See you after the break.

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Welcome back to Total Michigan.

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I'm your host, Cliff DuVernois.

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Today we're speaking with Terry Duperon.

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Now, Terry, before the break, you were sharing with us that you finally

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got your business off the ground.

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You were starting to make some money.

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But it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows.

Cliff Duvernois:

There were some times that you really struggled.

Terry Duperon:

Oh, constantly.

Terry Duperon:

Yes.

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Yeah.

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The first three years I carried a pup tent in my trunk because

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I would make a sales call and I couldn't afford a hotel and gas.

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The thing is, once, once you have a dream, there's no work in it.

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There was, It did not.

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I love my life.

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I don't think I've worked in 50 years.

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But you, when you're in a pursuit of a dream, it's not a straight road, okay?

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It's a series of fails, failures and successes.

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You pretty much build on the failures.

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So that I see failure as a benefit, not anything else.

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A failure says, Don't go that way.

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Go this way.

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So that's all it was.

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So it didn't have the impact of a failure.

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I, and I can't say I didn't feel it.

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I feel failure.

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I feel emotional impact to that.

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I think it's, nobody's comfortable likes it.

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But I accept it as a benefit.

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In the early days, there's a lot of things I come up with that didn't sell.

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And so I quit doing that and I got patents that didn't sell.

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So I, your pursuit of the journey is greater than the

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failure of the things you try.

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So once you have, you keep your eye on the dream.

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But as long as that dream's alive, you'll start seeing ways to get there.

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It's not a straight line.

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Oh yes, that's true.

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. See, I think every my, family likes messy.

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Business is messy.

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Life is messy.

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And I don't have an expectation that it would be different than that.

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I think for a long time I hid that I was dyslexic, that I couldn't read and write.

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One day I decided that I had to quit doing that.

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Okay, this is what I am, this is what I'm gonna go through life in.

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And now I see it as a gift . At first it was a detriment.

Terry Duperon:

So I think once I started to see my life, these things I have as a gift.

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not a penalty.

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To give you an example, in school I have, I, I question everything

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and I analyze everything.

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So the, I would be asked a question and they'd say, Well, he probably was, and

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I'm thinking that he's probably dead.

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I'm analyzing the whole question.

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Well, By the time I get ready to answer it, they are three questions down.

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So it really hindered me in school.

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But when it comes to inventing, uh, solving a problem, it was an asset.

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So the very thing that haunted me become my biggest asset.

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So I'm grateful for it now.

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But I wasn't most of my life.

Terry Duperon:

I

Cliff Duvernois:

Would you give up the life that you have now?

Terry Duperon:

Oh, I love my life.

Terry Duperon:

No.

Cliff Duvernois:

So then if we could go back in time, right When, Yeah.

Cliff Duvernois:

Terry's being formed.

Cliff Duvernois:

. Yep.

Cliff Duvernois:

And if we took away this gift of dyslexia, would you have the same life?

Terry Duperon:

No.

Terry Duperon:

No.

Terry Duperon:

I'd probably have a job someplace.

Terry Duperon:

So I love the lifestyle.

Terry Duperon:

I love the challenge.

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You full, fully alive in this game.

Terry Duperon:

Yes, you are.

Terry Duperon:

So it, it doesn't have to go smooth.

Terry Duperon:

You don't expect it to go smooth.

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Now, I was asked by, I was working on a first book called A Different

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Ability with a Professor, a Low Plager, and he had, he was a principal of

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schools that teach handicap people.

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So I worked with him on that.

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And the first question he asked me is most kids that have what

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you have crawl in the corner.

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They never do anything with their lives.

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What made you think you could do anything?

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So I took me a month to answer that.

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And my father and I didn't get along very well.

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He's a hotheaded French one and he swears a lot and he mad at me a lot.

Cliff Duvernois:

I wouldn't know anything about that

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So it, I would avoid him because he was scary to me.

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But he did never let me off the hook.

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He always put me back on the tractor.

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No matter what I screwed up, this is how you do it.

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You're gonna do this.

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Even though it was harsh, the message sent was, You can do this.

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So every time I mess up, never got me off the hook.

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He would just holler and swear at me and say, This is how you do it.

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Do it.

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And if you take a parent that says, say you asked Johnny to take out the

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trash and one parent was, he spills it all over to the kitchen floor.

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You say, I know you can do this, Johnny, but I'll take the trash out from now on.

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Message sent, you can't even take out the trash.

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Where my father would start screaming at me and say, You grab the basket like this.

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You pick up this mess and you do this every day.

Terry Duperon:

Okay, So you never let me off the hook.

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Message sent is, You can do this.

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That was the gift.

Terry Duperon:

And I didn't realize it for a long time that my father give me that gift.

Terry Duperon:

So that's where it came from, the belief that I could do something.

Cliff Duvernois:

What I would like to do is we talked briefly about the struggles

Cliff Duvernois:

that you had with your corporation, and you kept going, you kept plugging.

Cliff Duvernois:

And then at some point you decided to hire a CEO to come in and run the company.

Terry Duperon:

I'm a really lousy manager.

Terry Duperon:

Okay.

Terry Duperon:

I can invent.

Terry Duperon:

I can create companies.

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But I can't manage 'em.

Terry Duperon:

So I brought in Tammy, who's my partner, who's just the opposite

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of me, my oldest daughter.

Terry Duperon:

We are total opposite.

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She's a terrific manager.

Terry Duperon:

And once we come together, this whole company really started to grow.

Cliff Duvernois:

Yes, it did.

Cliff Duvernois:

25%

Terry Duperon:

year over year.

Terry Duperon:

Yeah.

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And it's a lot.

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Of the combination between the two of us.

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She's really good at this management, not so good at the creative stuff's.

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Good at creative management, but not create machines and businesses.

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But once she starts working only in her strengths and me only in

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my strength, it just expanded.

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It become very, very dynamic.

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And we built this business up to where it is, where now we have a president runs it.

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And he's really good at what he does.

Terry Duperon:

I, everything I do, I have to find a manager.

Terry Duperon:

Right now, I am, I'm a silent partner for a lot of young

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entrepreneurs to start business.

Terry Duperon:

I got 10 different businesses.

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But I couldn't, man, once I got a group of, I couldn't manage the

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group, so I hired Andrea to manage.

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I created TLD Holdings.

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And all these companies are part of TLD Holdings.

Terry Duperon:

And she manages it.

Terry Duperon:

And she does a marketing sales for.

Terry Duperon:

So it's good to know what you're not.

Cliff Duvernois:

And it's interesting because my follow up question to

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that is, is a lot of the times ego becomes part of the equation.

Cliff Duvernois:

And so you know, you're struggling with your business.

Cliff Duvernois:

You really want it to go.

Cliff Duvernois:

I know a lot of people out there that would just keep doing the

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same thing over and over again.

Cliff Duvernois:

But you had the presence of mind to think, You know what,

Cliff Duvernois:

maybe this isn't my strength.

Cliff Duvernois:

Maybe I should get somebody else in here to do this.

Cliff Duvernois:

And that's when Tammy comes board.

Terry Duperon:

Yeah.

Terry Duperon:

I'm a slow learner.

Terry Duperon:

Because at that time I lost everything I had plus a million bucks I didn't have.

Terry Duperon:

. Wow.

Terry Duperon:

Okay.

Terry Duperon:

Now you start to decide why.

Terry Duperon:

And so I drew a graft.

Terry Duperon:

And I said, I started here and then I did.

Terry Duperon:

I making some money.

Terry Duperon:

Got a good job.

Terry Duperon:

I knew idea and I spent too much money too fast and pretty soon I'm in trouble again.

Terry Duperon:

Then I'm back up again.

Terry Duperon:

I'm doing $5 million projects.

Terry Duperon:

Then I'm back down again.

Terry Duperon:

And then as on my way down again, I seen it.

Terry Duperon:

Every one of those things were bad management, bad choices

Terry Duperon:

of not manage money very well.

Terry Duperon:

So once I seen it, then I could say, Yep, Terry, you'll be doing this

Terry Duperon:

the rest of your life without her.

Terry Duperon:

And that line just straightened out and we started growing.

Terry Duperon:

You gotta fill in the blanks.

Terry Duperon:

You gotta fill in what you're not.

Terry Duperon:

And it the expectation that you have to know everything.

Terry Duperon:

You really don't.

Terry Duperon:

You only have to know a few of the right things that you can hang on.

Cliff Duvernois:

Now you're being able to live your dream and be able to really

Cliff Duvernois:

impact and influence a lot of people because you know who to go to get the

Cliff Duvernois:

answers like you talked about before.

Cliff Duvernois:

Fill in the blanks.

Terry Duperon:

So now I'm trying to do a club called One Degree.

Terry Duperon:

I Meet You, You'll Change My Life at least one degree.

Terry Duperon:

Met my wife, Change 180 degrees, but so so.

Terry Duperon:

But we will affect each other's lives.

Terry Duperon:

I wanna start a club where we have a lot of people who are up to something.

Terry Duperon:

I love to be around people up to something.

Terry Duperon:

You're one of them.

Terry Duperon:

So we support each other.

Terry Duperon:

So instead of having a speaker and a little wine and cheese,

Terry Duperon:

we mostly wine and cheese.

Terry Duperon:

We mostly, let's get to know everybody.

Terry Duperon:

Let's get a culture.

Cliff Duvernois:

So you've got an opportunity now to teach.

Cliff Duvernois:

You know the kid that didn't graduate high school Yeah.

Cliff Duvernois:

That struggled with reading and writing their entire life.

Cliff Duvernois:

You're now being invited to the university to be able to teach.

Terry Duperon:

My whole focus was how'd that third grade boy cause that future?

Terry Duperon:

So I'm in the class.

Terry Duperon:

I'm not, I have two things that get me through.

Terry Duperon:

Two thoughts.

Terry Duperon:

One is never be the one that limits you.

Terry Duperon:

I would rather fail than not try.

Terry Duperon:

Yes.

Terry Duperon:

And the other one was, success has nothing to do with what you're not.

Terry Duperon:

Run with what you got.

Terry Duperon:

I could probably fill this building with volumes all I'm not.

Terry Duperon:

Why would I go there?

Terry Duperon:

So when I was asked to teach the class, I've never been to university before.

Terry Duperon:

I didn't really know what they did there.

Terry Duperon:

I had an image in didn't turn out like I thought.

Terry Duperon:

But it was, I remember never be the one that limits you.

Terry Duperon:

My chances of failure was really high.

Terry Duperon:

But first day was awful.

Terry Duperon:

I put everybody in a coma in about 10 minutes.

Terry Duperon:

And then I talked to a real teacher and she told me what's important so

Terry Duperon:

you know where the students are at.

Terry Duperon:

So when I drew that on the board.

Terry Duperon:

And then little by little, the class started to show itself and

Terry Duperon:

I taught there for three years.

Terry Duperon:

Then I thought if you're gonna, if you're gonna teach entrepreneurship, you ought

Terry Duperon:

to be able to start your own school . So I've had about 3000 people go through that

Terry Duperon:

and professor in university I've taken it and, I talk about these things and I

Terry Duperon:

have no explanation as to the why of it.

Terry Duperon:

So it's just there.

Terry Duperon:

and I think that I was willing to fail.

Terry Duperon:

I'm not gonna throw me out without trying before they throw me out.

Terry Duperon:

Not throw me out first.

Terry Duperon:

So I, and I think because of the dyslexic problems, I've learned to feel the

Terry Duperon:

pain of failure, but not control me.

Cliff Duvernois:

You bring up a good point when you say learn from

Cliff Duvernois:

experience because say it when it comes to failure, I think that there's

Cliff Duvernois:

a real stigma when it comes to it.

Cliff Duvernois:

I know for me personally, it took me a long time before I could actually sit

Cliff Duvernois:

down and say to myself, You know what?

Cliff Duvernois:

I would rather try and fail then not do anything.

Cliff Duvernois:

And that means that how you look at failure, the entire dynamic of it changes.

Cliff Duvernois:

And then being able to sit there and say, Okay, so I failed.

Cliff Duvernois:

What's the lesson to be learned from this that I can take forward?

Cliff Duvernois:

So next time if I fail, I'll fail better.

Terry Duperon:

That one thought frees you.

Terry Duperon:

Yes.

Terry Duperon:

Okay.

Terry Duperon:

the, I think most of us do not wanna live where it's familiar and no one.

Terry Duperon:

And once you step out of that, once you do what you just said

Terry Duperon:

you're gonna do open the failure.

Terry Duperon:

Now you're on this blank sheet of paper.

Terry Duperon:

Where there, there's the, all the unknown ones are there, right?

Terry Duperon:

It's intangible, all the things there.

Terry Duperon:

And it's uncertain.

Terry Duperon:

And so once you start that direction where you're not just trying to be

Terry Duperon:

ordinary you end up in this other world, which is very rich and rewarding.

Terry Duperon:

But it has pain.

Terry Duperon:

That's right.

Terry Duperon:

It's messy.

Terry Duperon:

But then I think you could set on your couch the rest of your life.

Terry Duperon:

The pain of being human will find you.

Terry Duperon:

Okay.

Terry Duperon:

So why not play the game?

Terry Duperon:

You know that way.

Cliff Duvernois:

Exactly.

Cliff Duvernois:

All out.

Cliff Duvernois:

Yes.

Cliff Duvernois:

In addition to teaching, your gift of dyslexia, you publish books

Cliff Duvernois:

and you've got a new one coming out, The Misfit Millionaire.

Cliff Duvernois:

Yeah.

Cliff Duvernois:

So talk to us a little bit about being an author.

Terry Duperon:

I, I hired a writer to write it and then I, he wrote

Terry Duperon:

legacy books and I thought I, I didn't really want a legacy book.

Terry Duperon:

I would like to have a book for my great grandfather or grandmother.

Terry Duperon:

The Life in Times a book.

Terry Duperon:

And I thought I would really value that.

Terry Duperon:

So I thought I'll do that for my grandkids.

Terry Duperon:

So I started the book.

Terry Duperon:

And then I started with as far back as I could remember.

Terry Duperon:

So the Misfit Millionaire, the thing that bothers me about that

Terry Duperon:

title, the author did some studies, is that's what we should call it.

Terry Duperon:

And I'm sorry, is it Money has never been my motivator.

Terry Duperon:

I'm not motivated to this day by money.

Terry Duperon:

Money comes and goes.

Terry Duperon:

My attitude towards money is the same as it is and everything,

Terry Duperon:

anything you hold too tight owns you.

Terry Duperon:

Even your health.

Terry Duperon:

If you're all about your health, it owns you.

Terry Duperon:

So the books I wanted, I always had a purpose in mind for the books.

Terry Duperon:

One is about the class.

Terry Duperon:

Then the fourth book is being worked on, almost done, and

Terry Duperon:

it's called Glimpses of God.

Terry Duperon:

And I had a, I did a talk, it released rain.

Terry Duperon:

I didn't know what was expecting me.

Terry Duperon:

So I thought I would just talk about those little events in

Terry Duperon:

your life that shifted you.

Terry Duperon:

And I called it Glimpses of God.

Terry Duperon:

It sounds like I'd seen them.

Terry Duperon:

It was just awarenesses.

Terry Duperon:

As I look back, I can see the hand of God even when I didn't recognize him.

Terry Duperon:

I think.

Terry Duperon:

So the book is around those things that happened that shifted your life.

Terry Duperon:

And losing everything was a big shift.

Terry Duperon:

And what happened there is I got really depressed, couldn't get

Terry Duperon:

outta bed, didn't have any idea how to get outta this hole I was in.

Terry Duperon:

And as before Tammy come.

Terry Duperon:

And I'm laying in bed saying, I got nothing.

Terry Duperon:

I don't have another idea.

Terry Duperon:

I just lay here.

Terry Duperon:

Don't know what to do if I got up.

Terry Duperon:

And I get this one very clear thought and it was do only what's clear.

Terry Duperon:

Cause I thought pretty clear to get outta bed.

Terry Duperon:

, you're right.

Terry Duperon:

Pretty clear to take a shower bed in a while.

Terry Duperon:

Pretty clear to go to the office.

Terry Duperon:

Three years later, I didn't even have a car payment.

Terry Duperon:

I did not mastermind my way out of that.

Terry Duperon:

I just, one clear thought at a time.

Terry Duperon:

And I've been living that way ever since.

Terry Duperon:

I, Beautiful.

Terry Duperon:

I didn't look for a clear thought.

Terry Duperon:

So this is where it's taking me.

Terry Duperon:

I don't really care where it takes me now.

Terry Duperon:

I, it's a fun journey, I'm really, I love the lifestyle.

Terry Duperon:

So that book is about those changes in your life.

Terry Duperon:

And there was several of 'em that shifted.

Terry Duperon:

So I don't know a lot.

Terry Duperon:

I'm talking about God and Christ.

Terry Duperon:

I don't know a lot.

Terry Duperon:

Just that it's not a philosophy.

Terry Duperon:

Something happened to me.

Terry Duperon:

Okay.

Terry Duperon:

It changed.

Terry Duperon:

Nothing defeated me.

Terry Duperon:

I didn't do that.

Terry Duperon:

I can't talk about that.

Terry Duperon:

because I don't know a lot about it.

Terry Duperon:

I just know how it affected me.

Cliff Duvernois:

Terry, thank you so much for being on the podcast today.

Cliff Duvernois:

I've really enjoyed our time together.

Cliff Duvernois:

Thank you.

Cliff Duvernois:

Thank you.

Cliff Duvernois:

And for our audience, if you wanna learn more about Terry and check out

Cliff Duvernois:

Duperon Education, which I highly recommend that you do, then you can

Cliff Duvernois:

head over to Total Michigan.com.

Cliff Duvernois:

Click on Terry's interview and find the links there.

Cliff Duvernois:

We'll see you next week with another inspiring story.

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