Embracing the Nomadic Mindset: Presence and Connection on Stage

In this episode of Present Influence, host John Ball discusses the nomadic mindset with international speaker and author Kevin Cottam. They explore how ancient nomadic wisdom can enhance modern speakers' adaptability, presence, and connection with their audiences. Through stories from Mongolia to Morocco, Kevin shares insights on the importance of unity, flow, and curiosity for effective communication. This philosophical conversation encourages speakers to transcend traditional methods, fostering deeper and more meaningful engagement with their audiences.

What does a nomadic warrior know about stage presence that most speakers never learn?

In this powerful and philosophical episode, I’m joined by Kevin Cottam, international speaker, former world-class choreographer, and author of The Nomadic Mindset: Never Settle for Too Long.

Together, we explore how ancient nomadic wisdom, drawn from cultures in Mongolia, Kenya, Morocco, and Namibia, can help modern speakers develop deeper presence, authentic connection, and resonant leadership.

💡 Discover how presence is more than just performance; it’s unity with your space, your audience, and yourself.

🔍 Topics we explore:

• The surprising meaning of the word “nomad”

• How speakers can ground themselves through breath, silence, and space

• What stillness, curiosity, and adaptability have to do with your stagecraft

• Why sameness kills growth—and how to rediscover flow

Whether you're a keynote speaker, coach, or creative leader, this episode will challenge and inspire you to speak with more depth, awareness, and humanity.

🎁 Free Resource from Kevin:

Join The Nomadic Mindset Awakening – a free 6-part masterclass

📖 Get Kevin’s Book: The Nomadic Mindset: Never Settle for Too Long

🔗 Connect with Kevin on LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-cottam

00:00 Introduction to Nomadic Mindset

00:15 Meet Kevin Cottam: From Choreographer to Speaker

01:34 Exploring Presence and Unity

02:06 Lessons from Nomadic Cultures

03:39 The Importance of Connection in Speaking

06:55 Adapting and Growing as a Speaker

17:01 Understanding the Nomadic Mindset

25:06 Applying Nomadic Principles to Life

28:39 Practical Steps to Embrace Nomadic Thinking

32:13 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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What if the way we move through the world, our mindset, our stage

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presence, our connection to others

was more nomadic than we realized.

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In this episode, we are exploring a

philosophy that challenges the static

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scripted approach to speaking and life.

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My guest is Kevin Cottam, former world

class choreographer, turned international

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speaker and author of the Nomatic Mindset.

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And together we're gonna dive into

what it means to be true, present, to

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connect with our audiences, one, and to

move with life rather than against it.

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Kevin's stories from Mongolia to

Morocco reveal how ancient nomadic

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wisdom can guide modern speakers

in becoming more adaptable, more

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grounded, and more magnetic on stage.

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so if you're a speaker who wants to

turn performance into presence and

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connection with your audience at a deeper

level, this conversation might just

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shift the way that you see everything.

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Let's begin.

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Welcome to Present Influence the

Professional Speaking Show for

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speakers and communicators who want

to impact, influence, and inspire.

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My name's John Ball, your guide

on this journey to mastery

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level communication skills.

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Well, I'm very happy to be joined in

the Present Influence Studio today by

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Kevin Cottam, and we are gonna take a

little stroll into the more philosophical

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side of things as we are gonna hear

a little bit about, nomadic mindset

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and why that might be important to us.

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So first of all, welcome Kevin.

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It's great to have you here on the show.

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Kevin Cottam: Thanks so much, John,

and I'm really grateful to be here and

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I've been thinking about presence and

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John: Great.

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Well, I'd love to hear what, what's

been coming up for you as you think

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about presence and presenting.

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Please do.

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Yeah.

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Kevin Cottam: share.

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If you want to hear about it

right now, I will go right at it.

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Because we were talking about the nomadic

mindset, and I was thinking about what is

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the relationship between presence and the

nomadic mindset and also therefore, what

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is that interconnection with speaking as

we had talked about, is this one of the

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pieces so presence is like a gift and

presence is like being in the moment.

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Presence is in the now and we all

have, but I was also doing a little

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bit of research around unity.

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And what is unity?

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So unity is about a union is a oneness.

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So in presence there is a oneness.

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When I think about nomadic cultures and

spending time in Mongolia as well as.

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In Kenya with the Maasai and burgers

in Morocco, in Southern Zahara, and

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also in, Namibia with the Bushman.

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And I was very curious.

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Now when thinking about presence

now, it brought me back to looking

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at them and responding to them

and how they are in presence.

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So some examples are, I was

sitting in a Yurt Inn in

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Mongolia in the Mongolian steps.

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There was my translator, my mentor,

my photographer and our driver as well

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as the man of the house and his wife.

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And they were all sitting in

there and, and the man of the

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house was, this was about probably

about three in the afternoon and.

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He was there very present.

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It was like you could hear, hardly

breathe, hear him breathe, or see him

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breathe and he is completely present.

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And all of a sudden

he'd get up and run out.

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And I, I, I watched this a couple

of times and then I asked the

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question, why is he doing that?

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Why is he getting up and going?

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And then the, the answer was, is

that his animals are calling him.

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And I thought, and now when I think about

it in relationship to presence, is that.

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that union, that unity of oneness,

not only with ourselves, but in that

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non separate state of with our, with,

with nature and with his animals.

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What does that mean for speakers as well?

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That is the presence of that

unity with our audience.

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And that is, is that being still

with them, it's about being,

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understanding, being wherever they

are, how, and when they're li when

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they're speaking or when they are.

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Listening to you watching

you is how are you engaging?

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How are you present with them?

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So I thought that this was really

fascinating in, in reflection.

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Now, talking about this, and then I

also was looking back at, for example,

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when I was with the Bushman Asan as

the medicine man, I, I spent a lot of

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time, interestingly enough, with the

medicine man, of course, I didn't speak

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the language, so I had a translator.

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But the point here was is that I would

watch a game, and there is this incredible

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serenity union feeling of oneness,

not only in their own being, but also

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within their own, within nature of

how the interconnection of nature, and

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then also the traditions, the culture,

all of those are part of that DNA.

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That we have, so if we think about

this, I mean, related to life in period,

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if we think about, also right now you

hear a lot about in the geopolitical

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situation, there's in three big,

elections in last week of Singapore,

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Canada, and and also Australia.

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And what has happened were.

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The two parties that were supposedly

not going to win in Australia

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and Canada, all of a sudden there

was a flip around and they won.

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Due to the disunion, the, the unity of

the country coming behind this anger of

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the, of Trump and, and a variety of his

policies and the terrorists and things

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like that, and this breaking of trust.

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Breaking of friendships.

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The loyalties of which he

is extremely about loyalty.

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If you're not loyal to

him, then you're out.

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Right?

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But he doesn't understand that there

is a relationship outside of that in

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the organiza, in, in countries in pu.

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So there's a huge thing around this

unity, which I think is also in his

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presence, which sits and lives within.

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And just looking at the etymology

of it with the word unity.

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It means oneness and

disunity means separation.

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So most of us, live in separate

lives and say our li we are separate.

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We're not a whole.

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And philosophically you talked about

this, is that, how can we be present?

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Everyone says, oh, you

ought to be present.

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You have to be present with your audience.

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You have to be present in yourself.

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You have to be present with whoever

you're sitting with and whichever.

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How can we necessarily be present when

we are being pulled apart from being one

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John: Yeah.

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Kevin Cottam: right by

all external factors?

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And that fascinated me.

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So how does that all roll back again,

where I'm intertwining everything

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here and the nomadic mindset.

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The nomadic mindset is holistic.

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It is one which is

interconnected with nature.

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It's about movement.

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It is about that internal movement

inside and through, but it's that

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oneness within of the interconnection

of nature, animals, universe,

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whichever is that sense of oneness.

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If you ask nomadic or indigenous people.

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Do they know when to change?

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When weather's going to change?

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How do they know when

things are going to happen?

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They may look at how do you

know which direction to go?

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They look at the sky, they don't

have necessarily a compass.

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At least they didn't in the old days, and

now they probably still have something,

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but they, but the point here is, is

those traditions still hold on and the

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realization that they are part of that,

and I want to be bold enough to say that.

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We still have all of that inside of us.

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We've just forgotten about it.

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Perhaps, through, through our

world of being comfortable money,

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striving for this, this or that.

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But what if we were to enliven,

awaken that even more, right?

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And people may say, oh, that's spiritual.

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Yes, I suppose so.

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I mean, but it is really about

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John: I, I do think this, this is

all really cool in terms of when it

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comes to, my own, my own philosophy or

thoughts around being on the stage and I.

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Being a presenter and a speaker because,

I like what you're saying, it resonates

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for me and I'm sort of thinking, yeah, we

do want to be connected with our audience.

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We want to feel connected with, with

nature as well, and so much of it.

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Cutting out all their modern life

distractions, if you like, that

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probably we don't need to spend

nearly as much time on as we do.

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But they pull us away from a

lot of what really matters.

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And I think sometimes as a speaker,

one of the things, one of the gifts

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we get, when we're on the stage is the

ability to be present with our audience

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and to really connect with them.

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And that does, does come

through things like.

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Like silence.

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Our pauses on stage are just being there.

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And, um, sometimes we can like using

our, our vision to, to connect, being in

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a, what I call peripheral vision state

on stage where you can connect more.

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With the whole audience and using

your movement well on stage as well.

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So all this stuff matters in terms of

how you connect and then how you think

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about your audience, not thinking of them

as being separate to you, but thinking

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of you all as being, a unit together

that we start to, line up in many ways.

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Science is showing that new

neurologically things like, humor

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and laughter starts to sink.

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People's brain wave stories do as well.

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And the whole time you're there,

these are the opportunities that

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you, you are bringing that unity

that you're talking about to a whole.

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Room of people, which is,

which is quite amazing.

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So I, I love what you're saying there,

I think is that there's so much of that

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that fits for, being a speaker that's real

gifts about, of the profession for you as

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a speaker and for your audience as well.

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So, yeah, that, that

really resonates well.

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Kevin Cottam: Yeah, I mean, I think what

you're saying, is, is, is beautiful.

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It also, it really is that interconnection

and, and I think what you started to

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talk about is that, connection, but, we

have to also realize that where we are

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is being present in the space, right?

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And sometimes we forget about

being present in the space.

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The space, the environmental space, right?

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And that is part of the union with us.

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And as often, I mean, I don't know if

you've ever been there, but I've been in

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that situation where I just feel separate.

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Actually, so I'm therefore

not there completely with him.

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I may be in somewhat a authentic

space, but I'm not completely

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grounded in the space, and part of

being present is being grounded.

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And for for many of us

is what does that mean?

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So when we hit on stage, are

we really grounded in our feet?

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Are we grounded in our body?

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And you know, this is what we talk

about as dancers and anybody that

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moves are you really truly grounded?

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And actors will say, I'm not in my legs.

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And if you're not in your legs,

then you aren't present because

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you are top heavy, right?

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And so then you get.

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Talking heads, right, is there's nothing.

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Your breathing is high and you need

to, to be present in that breath, to

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be lower so that you are grounded,

your voice is even stronger.

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All of these things, and that's

part of our physiology of, of

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that interconnectedness and, and

the audience, they feel right.

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They sense, don't you?

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Don't you think they sense where we are?

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They can read.

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I mean, they may not

consciously be thinking

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John: in life we're always

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Kevin Cottam: they're

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John: picking up, conscious

and unconscious cues from

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people we interact with.

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We're always sensing energies around

people and, and we do get, whether

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we, whether we consciously register

it or not, we do get a sense of

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whether someone is present or not.

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We.

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We'll get a sense of whether

somebody feels secure or not.

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Probably one, one thing prob

everyone could relate to is when

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we were all at school, if your

teacher was away and someone was

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subbing in for the teacher, right?

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You could tell whether that person, within

seconds, kids can tell whether, is that

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person confident in what they're doing?

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Or can we get away with murder here and

just mess around and, and wind them up?

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It's we, we pick up on this stuff really.

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Kevin Cottam: Yeah.

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John: Really quickly and, and often

without realizing what those cues are.

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Kevin Cottam: Yeah.

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And I think that this is, you know,

as you were talking about this and

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and thinking about the presence.

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And I mean, some people will go out

into the audience and shake their hands

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or whichever, and, things like that.

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another thinking about that.

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This, this actually is a beautiful

way of that interconnection.

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And it is not about the separation,

it's about pulling people in and, and

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also you being pulled into who you are,

breathing from a different point of

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view, looking into the eyes, you know,

a bit of touch that senses, right?

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important to understand that it's about

adaptability, it's about resilience,

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it's about freedom, and it is all

about finding new opportunities past.

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'cause you see things from a wider

perspective, and this is exactly what

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we need today and this is exactly what

the world is asking all of us to do.

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Through, if we think geopolitically

people are starting to find new ways

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of trading partners and all sorts of

things, so they're thinking outside

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of the traditional ways forward.

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Is we need to adapt, we

need to find new messages.

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Many people say this, do the same speech

over and over because you know the

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client wants that same speech over again.

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Because I love that speech.

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I was so, I'm like.

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But again, if we do, one of the

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is when they do things on a repetition,

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is they will ask themselves, what

is something new I can find today?

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So every time we hit stage or

every time we do something is

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what is something new I can find.

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It can be just a small things like

a tweak of the way you see somebody,

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or the way you look or the way

you pause or the way you stand.

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Just a small something which shifts it so

that it is not so repetitive, and that's

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how something new grows in our world.

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That, again, is being present

in the awareness and the

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John: like the way, the way you

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Kevin Cottam: of asking that question,

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John: of the things about most keynote

speakers will have one or two or sometimes

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more, but at least a couple of talks that

they'll do regularly and probably will

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make some more changes to them over again.

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But one of the gifts of having a practice

talk that you know really well and going

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deliver anywhere is that you do have

then a bit of improvisational flexibility

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and an opportunity to focus in on.

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Making something a bit special and

different, like we always have to

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be thinking about how can we grow,

how can we keep it exciting for

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us and and really hone our craft?

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And I think if you're always

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time, you don't get so much of an

opportunity to do that as you do with

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a well crafted, well practice talk.

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I, I just wanted to come back for a

second to what you were saying about,

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going, going out into the audience as

well because I, I noticed, a lot more

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of that happening if you, you look

at a lot of modern, music concerts.

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A lot of the staging will go out into

the, into an audience area where people

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have more, you know, people can reach

up and shake hands while touch their,

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their, idol, their pop star and it.

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barrier, if you like, between, the

person on the stage and the audience

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that's out there with them as well

and bring people all closer together.

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People venting, seen recently acrobatics

where they're kind of going out

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into the audience and connecting.

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I'm not gonna be doing that from

the stage, but some, some things

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that break down that, that barrier

that is like, there's not really the

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making, highlighting that there's

not really a gap between me and you,

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I think is really beneficial for the

deepening of a relationship and a

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connection with the audience as well.

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So I love that you brought that up.

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It's like there, as you think, as

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I see a lot of that, in different.

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Different formats, and I've seen it

with, some of the things that people

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are doing with their presentations

on stage as well as speakers.

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So I, I just wanted to hop back

to that just just for a moment.

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Can I ask you, Kevin, when we first

spoke, one of the things that I first

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mentioned to you was that I, I'd had

an idea of like a nomadic lifestyle

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and stuff, and I thought maybe that

was partly what you were talking about.

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And it's so much more than that, I know.

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But for those people are thinking, oh,

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of nomadic lifestyle and stuff like that.

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It's like, don't panic this, that's not

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Can can you sort of lay down maybe the,

principle and philosophy of the nomadic

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lifestyle, not nomadic mindset for us?

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Kevin Cottam: Sure, it

is very interesting.

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I mean, what you're saying is very

real is that, some people come up

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to me and say, oh, I love traveling.

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It's really, really great and I

must have a man nomadic mindset.

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And I say, well, not necessarily.

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It depends on how you travel.

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And the point here is, is that

one of the things that I learned

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was what is the meaning of nomad?

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And that's where I love to look at the,

the ol etymology of words and also then

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the expansion of what words can mean.

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Because we have, generally, we have a very

narrow perspective of words or language.

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And hence we then just see one thing.

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And what we as speakers are to

do, are to help people expand.

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As coaches, we're here to expand

people's ideas and thoughts.

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So the, when I was, in Mongolia in, I

had a meeting with a woman by the name

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of back, row bat, and she was head of

the, the branding Council of Mongolia.

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And I said to her, you know, what

is the true meaning of nomad?

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And, she was very, very, had

these beautiful big eyes and the

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smile that went from ear to ear.

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And she had this smile and this

very deep and sultry voice.

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And, she said in her, in

Mongolian, the translator said.

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She said, she looked at me with her

finger and she says, it's not, but

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you think it's, and I was fascinated.

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I thought, oh, I've got it all wrong

because I got the dictionary version.

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A tribe or a group of people that are

moving from place to place without

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any home and to find new pastures.

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Well, she said to me, it is

the movement of the mind.

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The movement of the mind.

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The movement of the mind.

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So what does that mean?

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It was like when she told me that

I just felt all of a sudden there

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were fireworks going off in all

of my, my, all parts of my body.

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'cause I just thought, oh

my God, this is so fresh.

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This is so beautiful.

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What does this mean?

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And it, and it was a massive

expansion of what does it mean?

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So it means that, as I say, it

is about movement initially.

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Movement.

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And we are never not moving.

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are geographically moving.

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That can be one of the ways of moving,

but it's not just being like a digital

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nomad, that we're moving to a place to

find somewhere cheap so that we can have

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great internet and we can work from there.

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That is a possibility, but the way I

see it and the way I work with this, and

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when I look at mindset, it's not just

the mind as neuro neuroscience says.

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We have three brains, the

mind, the heart, and the guts.

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The intuition, and this is what the nomad

is, is the nomad is moving through you.

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Moving through you, and so that there's

very limited blockages of borders.

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We allow ourselves to have this freedom

of movement, of thinking, of expansion,

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of innovation, of creativity, of ideas,

of paths, whichever it is, that feeling,

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that curiosity is our real focus.

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That's playfulness of, of what is this?

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It's like children's eyes.

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What is this?

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What can be something new, fresh?

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Because as we become older from children

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where the nomad in them is so vibrant.

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A way through educational culture

get narrower, narrow, and narrow.

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And we cut that out, that nomad feeling,

and then we're told, no, we can't move on.

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We shouldn't be, we gotta stick in

one situation, one place, whichever.

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So it is really this freshness of

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Interconnected.

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The nature of the universe.

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Everything is interconnected.

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And where I talk about in my book.

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Three different mindsets, which from

you understanding the three words you

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can probably start to think about is

the avatar, the strengths, the shadow

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sides of them is a nomadic mindset, a

builder mindset, and a settler mindset.

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We have all three of

these living inside of us.

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We have a dominance for

one more than another.

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They can shift and change

within a conversation.

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We can go flowing back

and forth if we wish.

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And, but the point here is about

being able, the nomad is allowing us

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to be flexible between all of them to

say, okay, I need to be more builder.

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I need to settle for a moment so that

I can reap the harvest of this job or

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this position or this place, or whatever

I'm thinking about, settle for a bit.

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the gut and intuition and the

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nomads it, it's time to move.

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Time to move on.

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And without fear.

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And so it's probably a long way around

it to explain it, but hopefully that has,

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elucidated the, the, the variation on the

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John: Yeah.

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Does, does it relate then perhaps in some

ways to, not just to being maybe grow

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growth focus, but also to, to keeping.

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Keeping a mind, keeping your

mind moving, keeping, your life

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embracing change really, rather than

perhaps resisting it or holding,

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it's like saying, it's welcome.

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It's, maybe even more to a sort

of life flow, more long-term

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flow state in our lives.

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I mean, I'm not sure if I'm expressing

that well, but does these things relate

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to, to the nomadic mindset for you?

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It's in flow because the universe

is in flow and if you think

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about nomadic cultures, they're

completely one with everything.

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And that is, they flow with it.

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They flow with the nature of

the animals, which where the

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animals, they flow with seasons.

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Flow with the seasons, but

we don't recognize that we're

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flowing with the seasons.

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You know, for example, seasons change.

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you don't have the heat all year round.

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So you have different

clothes, you eat differently.

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All of these things are

shifts and adjustments.

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These are changes and

we do them naturally.

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is normal and change is something

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that we do all the time.

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I mean, it's the bigger changes

that we have problems with the macro

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changes, which we feel our jobs, money

loss, all these things, but that's

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where we have to really look into.

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How the nomad can be very

plentiful in this so that the, your

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richness of the flow and, and not

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John: That's something I was getting a

sense of is like there's an element of

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this that's very much about, removing

stuckness from, from our lives and,

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and getting, getting ourselves unstuck.

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And I think, no, I could certainly make

it and probably I least I can as well,

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that there's many times in life where

you do feel in a bit of a wr or you

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feel stuck somewhere you just can't.

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Maybe the stuckness is that you can't.

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Live where you wanna live, but maybe

it's, you can't get to a level you want

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to get to, or maybe you just feel, a

little restricted in, in your life.

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some way, shape, or form.

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way of thinking about it, we can

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perhaps help ourselves to just let go.

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Maybe.

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I mean, would you say it's more

about, more about letting go and

436

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flowing through it rather than pushing

yourself in a particular direction?

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Kevin Cottam: It is about letting

go, but it's also really about seeing

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it all as an opportunity, right?

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So, and that comes the curiosity

when I was, with the Berber in,

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in the Southern Sahara, they say.

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We see everything as an opportunity.

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We even see the sand as an opportunity.

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The way the wind blows, the sand,

the way the texture of the sand,

444

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the, the sky is an opportunity.

445

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All of it is an opportunity.

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And so when you see that and feel that

you start to widen your possibilities,

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whether you use them or not is

one other thing altogether, but it

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allows you to have that moment of I.

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Exploration that wonder the

possibilities that can happen.

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And what usually gets us in that when

we do see that inching forward is all of

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a sudden fear coming in and saying, no,

don't you know it's better to be safe.

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Well, who said it's not safe?

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You know, it's, it's too, if it's too

safe, you're not going to learn anything

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the way you think about elite athletes.

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Elite.

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And artists or even big businessmen, they

know that if they become true stuck and

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too stationary and they stop learning

and growing, they're not going to win.

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They're not, and it's all about winning

for an athlete or if it's a dancer, it

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is to be the best they can be, right?

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That if we get too complacent, they're

not going to get to the next level.

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It can be just a minute

small inch forward.

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But if we just stay backwards and

watch it, we watch our life go by.

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John: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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This is, probably one of the earliest

philosophical questions I ever asked

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myself, or when I felt like I was a

bit of an observer in my own life.

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It's like, well, recognizing I had

the choice so I could either stay

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observing my own life or I could take

action and do something about it.

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I've got a whole book in me

about that very thing alone.

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You know, it's like, that was a

huge, a huge shift for me of just,

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connecting with life and, and.

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Instead of retreating into my head and my

imagination, which is what I would often

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do instead, that life was actually you.

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Life could actually be way better

when you're engaging with it and, and

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acting, with it, rather than trying to

imagine what your life could be like

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or trying to create a, an imaginary

world for yourself to escape it all.

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I love the reframe on, I, I've used

it, I've used it a million times myself

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with coaching clients, about every

challenge having opportunity within it.

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Because that's always the case, like

there's always opportunities for growth.

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We may not always know exactly what

they are, but if we embrace challenges

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and difficulties as opportunities as

though I'm gonna find the opportunity in

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this, I think it is a much healthier I.

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Mindset for us to take.

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So there's a lot of this philosophy,

like, I'm definitely gonna have

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to dive, a bit more as well.

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But let me ask you for our

listener, because I do like to

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have these more philosophical

episodes every now and again.

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I think the last time was probably

with the last time was probably

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with a guy called Donald Robertson

and was, we were talking about

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Kevin Cottam: I'm grateful.

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John: was very kind.

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It was a bit of a masterclass, really.

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And I feel like you're doing that for

us today as well, so I appreciate that.

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For our listener who's maybe thinking,

well, yeah, this sounds good.

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I'd like to, you know, first maybe

like to find out a bit more about

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you, but maybe there's some things

I could do today to bring a little

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bit of nomadic mindset into my life.

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What would you say to our listener?

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I.

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Kevin Cottam: Well, let me share with you

something I was told by a Messiah warrior

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and maybe this could be very helpful.

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There are some ways forward.

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So he says, when you are facing a lion,

and of course where you're, I mean

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you've been to South Africa, you've been

to Africa, so you know, this is that

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when you're facing a lion and a lion is

anything today, it's the politics, it

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is the teachers, it's whatever it is.

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It could be a lion, is that

you need to be very still.

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You need to be alert at the

same time as being still, you

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need to observe 360 degrees.

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Listen in internally

and listen externally.

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Be very intuitive and listen to that.

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Be curious and those,

and connected to nature.

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So all of these are.

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Places that you can be to start

opening up to being and having an and

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alivening that nomad, which is in you.

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And at the same time is a saying,

is to allow yourself, allow yourself

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the freedom to expand, to find

curiousness, to find playfulness,

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wonderment in almost anything you do.

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And yeah, I get it.

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Sometimes it's difficult.

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If you allow those principles to, to be

with you, you can see it from, see them

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from a nomadic point of view of freedom

of movement, then you'll have another,

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opinion of what movement is 'cause you are

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John: for our listener who would like

to know a little more about the nomadic

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mindset and, and maybe about you as well.

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What's the best way for.

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Coming to find out some more.

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Kevin Cottam: Well if you are

on LinkedIn, the best way is

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to connect with me on LinkedIn.

530

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Also, just so you all know, is

that I'm starting what is called

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the nomadic mindset Awakening.

532

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It's a free masterclass and it starts on.

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The on, on May 21st, and

it's a six part series.

534

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And I will be sharing different aspects of

what is the nomadic mindset and it's free.

535

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And, it's my duty to serving my clients

and also to whoever is interested in

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becoming more nomadic in their thinking,

and also more awakened in many ways.

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So that, and so it's, it's there.

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It's on LinkedIn.

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You can register or

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John: check that out,

into, into the show notes.

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And I encourage it.

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This is, this is very accessible

and this is practical stuff that's

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going to, at the very least.

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Help you feel a little more connected,

but probably make some good shifts

545

00:31:11,904 --> 00:31:16,704

and some good reframes in your life

that will be more positive and, and

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help us to rise to the challenges that

come up to flow more, to move more.

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And, I, I really like what

we've talked about today.

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Kevin, I, I.

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Really grateful for you giving your

time to come and talk to us about this.

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And, I'm certainly gonna be looking

into this a bit more, and I hope for

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our listen as well that you found

at least one thing, if not more,

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to take away from today's episode.

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So, thank you for coming and

sharing with us today, Kim.

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I.

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Kevin Cottam: Thank you very much, John.

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I really appreciate it.

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And, the last thing that I would

say is, is that if people are

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interested in my book, the nomadic

mindset never set up for too long.

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It is in English and it's on Amazon.

560

00:31:50,384 --> 00:31:51,794

So if you're interested in that, I.

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It takes you to another stage as well.

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But reach out if you wish and I always

love to hear from different people and,

563

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John: Our Phil philosophy is

really important as speakers and

564

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I, I probably should do more, more

episodes along this track as well

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because I think it helps us all now.

566

00:32:06,544 --> 00:32:10,414

Kevin, thanks once again

and, yeah, go think nomadic,

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I.

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Kevin Cottam: Yes.

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John: so what's your line and

how can stillness, curiosity,

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and unity help you face it?

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Not as a performer, but as a

present connected human being.

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Kevin, remind us today that

presence is a union between us, our

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audience and the space we share.

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The stage isn't a platform

to stand above others.

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It's a space to stand with them.

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If you are ready to think more

nomadically and speak more

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00:32:38,011 --> 00:32:42,091

meaningfully, check the show notes

for Kevin's book and free masterclass.

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00:32:42,301 --> 00:32:45,871

And if you enjoy today's episode,

follow review and share it with a

579

00:32:45,871 --> 00:32:48,391

fellow speaker who's ready to go deeper.

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00:32:48,665 --> 00:32:51,365

So until next time, stay

present, stay curious, and

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never settle for standing still.