A profound inquiry into the nature of astrological significance is presented, specifically concerning the implications of the three newly recognized celestial bodies within the astrological framework traditionally dominated by seven planets. The discussion navigates the historical perspectives of Hellenistic astrology, which predominantly eschews these additional celestial entities, thereby raising pertinent questions regarding the evolution of astrological interpretation. It is posited that the ancients, with their limited visibility of celestial phenomena, operated under a distinct paradigm that may not have accommodated the later discoveries of Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto. The dialogue reflects on whether the integration of these planets alters the significations attributed to their predecessors and how this might impact contemporary astrological practices. As the conversation unfolds, the speakers emphasize the necessity for ongoing observation and reinterpretation, suggesting that the astrological community remains in a state of flux, grappling with the implications of these discoveries on the collective consciousness and the astrological charts employed by practitioners today.

Takeaways:

1. The podcast discusses the implications of newly discovered celestial bodies on traditional astrological interpretations, especially within Hellenistic astrology.
2. A significant point raised is the distinction between modern and ancient astrological practices, particularly regarding the recognition of additional planetary influences.
3. The speakers engage in a critical examination of collective consciousness and how it relates to the acceptance of celestial discoveries in astrological practice.
4. The conversation touches upon the historical timeline of planetary discoveries and their integration into astrological frameworks, particularly concerning the United States' astrological chart.
5. Astrologers continue to utilize Pluto in charts despite its late discovery, raising questions about its relevance and impact on astrological interpretations.
6. The dialogue emphasizes the need for ongoing observation and research in astrology, particularly in understanding the effects of modern planets.

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I'm curious to know if.

Let me see, what was I. I had a question earlier.

It's gonna come back to me, but I'm curious, like, I'm kind of curious to know if, like, what the additional three planets, like, do they change anything from like the original seven, like, because there's new.

There's three new planets.

Like, would it change in a. I guess, like in.

I don't know, in a very specific way.

Like some of the significations of those seven planets.

Like, does the arrangement kind of change?

Well, the reason I didn't present them is because I'm kind of leaning.

The presentation I just gave was more of a Hellenistic point of view.

And Hellenistic astrologers really don't use those three.

That's why.

But I also, like, I dabble with the modern.

That's where I started at with the modern astrology.

So I don't really poo poo those three positions just yet.

I was just trying to present what the ancients looked at.

That's why I said, hey, maybe we need to.

Even though we think we know what these planets signify, we still have some more observation to do.

I agree.

I just, I think that, I mean, just the way that I see it, even though, like, even though it might seem like I'm technically debunking astrology, which I'm not, because I also practice astrology, but the way I'm thinking about it is sort of like outside of the box, I guess, in the way that, you know, the ancients used to look up at the stars and they would only see seven planets.

But those other three had to be in there somewhere.

In there.

Yes.

I guess I know what you're kind of getting at.

Actually.

I was just watching a.

Listening to a podcast and a guy was talking about that, and we can't actually, like, for instance, they have charts from way back, but we can't actually go pull them charts back up and then try to place Neptune and all of that into those charts because maybe that society wasn't ready for that consciousness yet.

Oh, okay.

I like that.

So 175 years ago, when we found Neptune, maybe us as a collective was just being ready for Neptune consciousness to be interjected into the situation.

Which is interesting because Neptune's supposed to represent the hidden, right?

Yeah.

So it was like we discovered that there was something hidden in us.

Yeah, yeah.

And.

And actually that would.

That has something to do with why they put it in Pisces and stuff like that.

But one of the reasons, the way they have it now it fall.

It doesn't make sense in the calculations of how the, the ancients lined up all the planets, the significations, the malefics and benefics and all that stuff.

Everything had male, female, yin yang, all that stuff.

And with, with the introduction of these three.

That's why, that's why I'm saying we haven't, they haven't been around long enough.

I mean, how long is, how long have we known about Pluto?

Not that long.

Exactly.

It's been even less than Neptune, right?

Yes, I think, I think, I don't

even think it's been 200 years because

technically now Neptune was in 175.

175, and then Uranus was after that.

And then Pluto, I think Pluto was like 19, like 10 or something like that somewhere around there.

So.

Okay, wait, because then.

Well, hold on, because I actually did not know that.

I didn't know that Pluto was discovered way after all the other ones.

in astrology.

Or like just, just we found the planet period.

We found out, oh, there's a planet out there.

That'd be an interesting.

It actually hasn't been even 100 years yet.

I know, that's what I'm saying.

That would be an interesting follow up for you to do because the charts of the United States as a nation taken from like the original, like when they signed the Declaration of Independence or whatever, you know, people, astrologers continue to pull up Pluto in that chart, but technically Pluto hadn't been discovered till 200 years after that.

Yes.

So technically they're not really supposed to be using it in the chart because it may not have been part of collective consciousness yet.

So technically now, in the next couple of years when Pluto transitions into Aquarius, that is when the US will really feel that shakeup.

Depending on the type of astrology you follow.

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

But I'm, I'm just thinking about it in like terms of like, like when we signed the Declaration, the Declaration of Independence, you know, Pluto wasn't around.

So, you know, everybody talking about the, the US Having its Pluto return and it's Pluto return, that's technically false.

Yeah.

According to this guy who was on that podcast, who was one of the.

I think his name was.

I forgot his name.

But he, he is one of the original people who brought Hellenistic astrology back.

Interesting.

Okay, so yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do research on that because.

Debate.

Well, I just tell you this.

One of the things they say, it also says, I think Uranus is like a higher octave of Mercury.

I've heard that in Alice Bailey's esoteric astrology.

I forgot Neptune's like a higher octave of Jupiter.

Maybe because actually Jupiter rules Pisces and Sagittarius.

So if, if Neptune is a, a hot higher octave, you know, than Jupiter, maybe because they all kind of deal with Pisces and Jupiter.

Sagittarius kind of deal with the same type of stuff.

Yeah, yeah, I, I gotta do my, my research on that.

That's an interesting point that you just brought up.

Speaking of research, I know you like.

One of the things you like to research is transits.