The Fellowship Of The Reel reviews UNBREAKABLE

Part Two of a four episode Yippy Kai Yay tribute to the great Mr. Bruce Willis. Join us as we celebrate four of Bruce's films and try and say thank you for years of great movies.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to Mr. Willis and his entire family.

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Exploring the Depths of 'Unbreakable' and Hero-Villain

Dynamics

This podcast episode features a detailed analysis by the

Fellowship of the Reel on the 2000 film 'Unbreakable' directed by M. Night

Shyamalan and starring Bruce Willis. The discussion delves into the film’s

innovative approach to the superhero genre, highlighting David Dunn's journey

of self-discovery after surviving a train crash, leading to the realization of

his superhuman abilities. Emphasizing the film's themes, structure, and

character development, the conversation also explores the nuanced hero-villain

dynamic, focusing on the transformation of characters, their moral ambiguities,

and the complexities of their relationship. The analysis covers the emotional

impact of the film's twist ending, the moral dilemmas faced by the characters,

and concludes with varying opinions on the movie’s execution, paying tribute to

Willis's cinematic contributions.

00:00 Welcome to Fellowship of the Reel

00:40 Diving Deep into Movie Mechanics

01:20 A Tribute to Bruce Willis: Unbreakable Review

02:03 Analyzing Unbreakable's Story and Impact

08:12 Unbreakable's Cast and Crew Insights

11:49 Exploring M. Night Shyamalan's Storytelling

14:21 Dissecting Unbreakable's Structure and Themes

17:05 Reflections on Unbreakable and Its Legacy

22:33 Debating the Catalyst of Unbreakable

31:52 Elijah's Role and the Power of Comic Books

33:24 Exploring Symbolism and Character Depth

34:05 Elijah's Character and the Adult Superhero Theme

34:35 Realism in Superhero Depictions

35:41 The Hero's Journey: Debates and Tests

36:26 Exploring Superhero Capabilities and Doubts

37:18 The Moral and Ethical Dilemmas of Superheroism

38:10 Unveiling the Superhero Within

40:41 The Consequences of Heroism and Villainy

41:54 Reflections on Identity and Purpose

49:57 The Final Act: Embracing the Superhero Identity

55:06 Revelations and Moral Ambiguities

57:53 A Deep Dive into the Villain's Psyche

01:01:53 Concluding Thoughts on Unbreakable

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Snyder's Genres:

MONSTER IN THE HOUSE - MONSTER, HOUSES, SIN

GOLDEN FLEECE - ROAD, TEAM, PRIZE

OUT OF THE BOTTLE - A WISH, A SPELL, A LESSON

DUDE WITH A PROBLEM - AN INNOCENT HERO, A SUDDEN EVENT, A TEST OF SURVIVAL

RITE OF PASSAGE - A LIFE PROBLEM, THE WRONG WAY TO FIX IT, THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM

BUDDY LOVE - AN INCOMPLETE HERO, A COUNTERPART NEEDED TO MAKE THEIR LIFE WHOLE, A COMPLICATION THAT IS KEEPING THEM APART EVEN THOUGH THAT FORCE IS BINDING THEM TOGETHER

WHYDUNNIT? - A DETECTIVE, A SECRET, A DARK TURN

FOOL TRIUMPHANT - A FOOL, AN ESTABLISHMENT, A TRANSMUTATION

INSTITUTIONALIZED - A GROUP, A CHOICE, A SACRIFICE (JOIN, BURN IT DOWN, COMMIT SUICIDE)

SUPERHERO - A POWER, A NEMESIS, A CURSE

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The Snyder Beats:

OPENING IMAGE

THEME STATED

SETUP

CATALYST

DEBATE

BREAK INTO TWO

B STORY

FUN AND GAMES

MIDPOINT (FALSE VICTORY OR DEFEAT BUT OPPOSITE OF THE ALL IS LOST)

BAD GUYS CLOSE IN

ALL IS LOST (OPPOSITE OF THE MIDPOINT, FALSE VICTORY OR DEFEAT)

DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL

BREAK INTO THREE

gathering the team

executing the plan

high tower surprise

dig deep down

execution of the new plan

FINALE

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are you recording this studying a movie in the mechanical level

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i think can really bring some revelation [Music] i believe that no one sets up to make a

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bad movie with the exception of on paper this should work

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i just don't like it that's your own fault if you haven't seen it

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way over budget start cutting scenes [Music] even the actors don't know what that

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movie is about [ __ ] i wish i wrote that

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which i love the title with that movie's trash [Music] well it's oatmeal man it's good for you

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okay fellowship of real four friends sitting around talking about movies

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one chooses and we all review we thought we would start off these first four episodes with a tribute

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to mr bruce willis as we have mentioned as you may know he will probably no longer be with us in

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terms of movies and we won't be seeing much of him uh in the public eye he has been diagnosed obviously with

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a debilitating mental disorder and so we thought before we started off we would

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give tribute and uh sort of our way of saying thank you for all the great entertainment that he has given us uh real bummer that we're uh

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losing bruce so the first four of these episodes we're gonna look at his movies and uh this time we're looking at the

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2000 release of unbreakable m night shyamalan uh superhero movie starring bruce willis

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this was a pick by sherry and she will give us our intro and synopsis okay for unbreakable

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nd: 2000

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his debut hit the sixth sense follows security guard named david dunn played

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by bruce willis who survives a horrific train crash with no injuries leading to him discovering that he

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harnesses superhuman abilities which in turn introduces him to comic book store owner

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elijah price played by samuel l jackson who uses a wheelchair and turns out to

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be his nemesis the first installment in the unbreakable film series

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which is also known as east rail 177 trilogy followed by split and glass

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unbreakable received mixed reviews upon release but is often quoted as one of the best examples of a super hero origin

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movie i would agree with that i'm surprised at the mixed reviews uh

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because this is really one this is probably one of my all-time favorite movies certainly one of my i i even like it better than sixth sense

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uh this is probably my favorite m night shyamalan movie well you know

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my favorite of his movies is probably um science sciences yeah science is good i

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like signs but i like this one i do like unbreaking and i agree this is probably my favorite

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movie i think i think story-wise this is my favorite when it comes to dialogue not my favorite uh when i see sam

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jackson give his yeah speeches i'm thinking more tarantino than yeah shyamalan uh

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that's what i expect and i just didn't get it so i didn't scratch that itch right well it's still a good movie it's funny but we'll get to it but when he's

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in the comic book store and he's selling that picture and my son will love it i'm sorry my son how old is your son four

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years old well you need to get out almost he says you need to go you know

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he says this is uh does this look like a toy story in my mind samuel jackson is saying does this look like a toy store

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[ __ ] i mean i just wanted him to rip toy stores you know but because yeah

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but if you see a kid with a blank expression on his face sitting outside yeah uh

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one of us has made a grave mistake yeah wasted the other's time anyway

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real quick he's off the rails hey off the rails and this is a movie about a train crash great okay uh

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did you have the box office or whatever um no this this uh this was like uh

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um fifth element in terms of uh budget it was a 74 million budget and it made worldwide total gross 248 million so

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this was uh it might have received mixed reviews but it made a [ __ ] ton of money

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um 248 million worldwide yes total gross 248 million 248 million on a 74 million

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dollar budget yeah that's good hour and 46 minutes so this one's roughly longer than blind

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date is it yet yeah that was like uh yet went by a lot no you're right that was like one that

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was 96 minutes yeah yeah you know yeah that felt like a thousand ninety six oh my god yeah so so

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sam jackson's dialogue notwithstanding still a better movie than blind date

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much better bruce willis right yeah well yeah

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um for rotten tomatoes i had uh fans and critics loved it so 70 and

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versus 77 fans liked it a little more than critics uh but everyone seems to have uh liked

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this movie this was the the big movie after the sixth sense yeah yeah right the

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second yep that's what this movie so bruce willis was hot m night shyamalan was hot yeah this was this was the gravy

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days of night shyamalan yeah uh i think he started getting a little on the out on the outs with some of his

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choices but i i've always kind of liked this movie there's there's been some that i don't like but there's some tarantino movies i

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can't stand so i don't yeah he's hit or mess with you yeah like so science was still good like that one's up there to me yeah i like

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signs a lot where like the village i did not the happening with mark wahlberg i did not like i can't stand the happening

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village i'll watch once or twice but that's it the lady in the water i need to revisit i remember not being you know it was

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definitely not sixth sense unbreakable signs level blown away but um i remember there being parts of that

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that were really interesting to me i think after sixth sense came out and shemalen's twists endings

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uh unbreakable being that next in the series was still were were waiting for that twist yeah

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and then when it got to the point of the happening and lady in the water it was okay there's the twist no that's going

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to be the twist no that's going to be the twist yeah i think it becomes unenjoyable yeah i'm sure i was curious to me i wonder how much the studio was

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pressuring him give us give us the next six sense you know do that thing you do you know like just pressuring him to so

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i mean as a writer and someone who's creating like it had to be hard you know on him um

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yeah but but as i was watching this uh i even made a note about it but

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in terms of of because because i've watched interviews with m night shyamalan right and

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every interview with him is like a masterclass to me in writing like he knows story and he will talk about story and

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and directorial choices and this kind of thing so he is not uh slack when it comes to

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story now if you don't like the story or if he if you feel like it was a miss okay but it's not because he doesn't

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have the chops and so so in in that sense i really respect him as a storyteller right and don't even

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care that some of his movies are misses for me right because i know he can do an unbreakable i know he can do

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you know a sixth sense i know he you know so he's got such my respect so much

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that like he can almost do no wrong in terms because i've heard him and he's just a story guy and i really

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really respect that you know right about him or whatever anyway well um i just want to kind of go over

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who's in it just a little bit um we're dealing with uh bruce willis

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obviously sam jackson obviously um bruce willis willis's son in this movie really

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uh is played not oh not his son's son the the character the actor who plays

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his son was also same year: 2000

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same year same kid same that's funny i forgot all about that all right that was really say it and

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then robin wright penn i think at the time married to sean pence yeah she's obviously been in lots

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of stuff so yeah she plays the wife yeah and then you know a whole host of characters afterwards but the other guy

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that stands out to me who i like a lot is michael kelly he plays the doctor who informs bruce willis you're the only

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survivor yeah michael kelly's been in a lot of good was he in um house of cards one man of steel house of

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cards now you see me jack ryan he's he's just one of those good character actors yeah he played the the

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the heavy for that would do all the dirty work exactly yeah yeah you know great great actor i'd like to

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just highlight him being in it everything i've ever seen him in is yeah like really solid don't forget him night because he's does a cameo in like all

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these movies hitchcock he does which i think i i don't know this but i bet he's heavily influenced by hitchcock he's got

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to be oh yeah i would think so you have to be um also the the kid that play uh the guy

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he's not like anymore but he uh it plays joseph plays his son i thought it was really cool that he played uh plays the

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role again in glass like it's the same they didn't well i didn't say you know he's an adult now because it's been so long but they could have recast

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them and they didn't it's the same same actor he played i have to go back and watch it as sherry said this was the first in the the series yeah unbreakable

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that's very good too i really loved split and had no idea that it was connected to this until the music starts

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up and i'm like right at the end i'm like that's unbreakable music and they showed david dunn sitting there at the diner i'm like oh [ __ ] this is connected

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well let's blew me away really good again to kind of keep with the theme of bruce willis he's in the movie with sam

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jackson they are also in pulp fiction together yet have no scenes together oh yeah and also die hard with a vengeance

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of course die hard with avengers through together but yeah together yeah pull fiction they're not fiction was the first out of all these i believe

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something about yeah um well about bruce willis when when uh m knight was making

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the sixth sense he was writing unbreakable and he actually wrote the script with bruce willis and samuel l

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jackson in mind of course bruce was up for it but he's the one who talked didn't you know talk

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samuel jackson into doing it sorry bruce wilson that's cool very cool yeah i think i feel like you can know that you

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say that that he wrote those roles i feel like you could tell he wrote those roles for them like yeah well just you said another actor's name do perfect

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after after a big hit like sixth sense you got a lot of cash well yeah but you

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said uh sure he didn't know he wasn't that well known he yeah because it was

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while they were making sixth sense

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you know sharing with samuel l jackson oh this is a great guy you know

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yeah i'm doing this move with him right now and it's it's working yeah he wanted it and i didn't know how to get jackson into it into it yeah and so

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bruce willis i guess went to bat and actually recruited yeah recruited wow

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any other opening notes or whatever you got here no well i had some more trivia but it

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it was more about when you get into with the scenes and everything we could get to it so um this movie starts off with a

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prologue but let me just uh before we get into the well the story mechanics obviously this is a superhero genre yeah i mean i agree

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yeah it's a perfect uh superhero origin story is how it was explained by some

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critics what did you say was like tarantino yeah he loved the movie he he said it should

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have been um marketed as what if superman um

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was living on earth and didn't know he was superman yeah because it i guess it

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received mixed reviews and tarantino thought well they didn't market it right you know or whatever exactly yeah and the comments that i read uh the movie

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studio company this is previous to marvel starting the superhero universe

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so the uh the company was like we don't really know what to do with this we're gonna market it as an m like chameleon movie

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which with twists and all that yeah when it really it's a superhero movie so i don't think that hurt the box office at

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all i think people were gonna go see it no matter what yeah especially off sixth sense but right yeah i think it was marketed kind of weird yeah they didn't

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know what to do with it yeah no that makes sense yeah because like i said before marvel before yeah superheroes had really taken off

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and even then like compared this to a marvel movie it's still completely different yeah they're both superhero movies but just the way he did it it's

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completely different well the to me this like i don't like generally like

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superhero movies the only reason i like iron man and and uh um you know that kind of stuff is because

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of the character and and the smartassery and and and the character but but generally i do not like like i've always

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said how brave are you really if you're bulletproof right i mean okay yeah anybody who's bulletproof sure yeah you ought to be stopping bank robbers

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because you know but you know somebody like bruce willis in his movies or whatever you know a blue collar guy

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now that's that's you know brave or whatever but if but to me m knight

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nailed it like this is my kind of superhero movie like if i had to watch a superhero movie

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this is how real the real gritty world of superheroes would be uh you know not not even like uh you know

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the that um superhero movie with uh will smith or whatever hancock hancock meant to show

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the gritty world still that was kind of flashy this to me is is your blue collar superhero movie and yeah i think it i

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think the way he de he discovers his powers yeah is very cool like it's not like spider-man where he goes jumping rooftop

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to rooftop right right he's like let's go spidey webb let me go just lift a little bit more weight you know

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even he's surprised he doesn't know what's happening yeah so let me say something about how i

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think this movie is structured so that chris will understand when he i don't know how you structured this movie

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as i'm the right way sure as i'm going through this movie right yeah uh i get to

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the debates the debate and then the movie's over

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okay so i never uh i never saw a three-act

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structure to this movie when i watched this movie especially the second time i

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and it started to make sense to me because it's an origin movie right you know bruce willis david dunn is discovering

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who he is he becomes the superhero if there were 10 more movies this would be the origin and then he would go have

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adventures so the whole movie okay is uh and we'll get to all that in a second

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but the whole movie is the the catalyst uh and and

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the debate uh bruce willis david dunn debating whether

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he is a superhero or not and it's not until almost the very end of the movie that he has embraced this

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and has his break into two but his break into two i feel like is going to be

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the rest of his life so i i see this whole movie as a as as act one

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and i never really see a bad guy's close in a dark night of the soul or break into three i never could i

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never could nail that down the whole time i watched it it was all debate debate okay he's still debating okay

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he's testing it okay okay okay now he's embraced it he's ready to break into two you know

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we'll get to it but he's sliding the newspaper across you know you know this kind of thing so to me the end of the movie he is ready

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to to go into i do have a little bit if you had depressed me i think that the

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that the break into two occurs uh

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when bruce willis makes the call to elijah we'll get into that when we get to it be interesting see how chris does

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it but i see this whole movie almost as an act one set up call to action and debate and and

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it doesn't start act two until almost the end of the movie i know i i see what you're saying there um like i 100 understand

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what you're saying and how you could see it that way yeah um so yeah it'd be interesting as we get into it because yeah because i have all 15 beats okay i

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don't i do i could not move it but i 100 get what you're saying yeah and i'm not saying that they the ones i came up with

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obviously are correct or even hard you know easy to find like it definitely took some work

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yeah and we can look at it we can look at that i say we jump into it all right we're right at yeah

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yeah all right um again a prologue which i guess it was important

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it's the birth of elijah mr glass you know and we learn he's got this so it's almost his origin story

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at that point yeah for sure yeah it's the the department store is where they're at yeah so the department store she gives

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birth he's screaming his head off right the baby is yeah this is one of my favorite openings ever

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what is this unbreakable oh well sherry just found that go ahead and read that i'm sorry i know y'all started i was

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trying to find this i knew i'd read it unbreakable only uses the first third of shyamalan's script

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he discarded the rest after deciding the first third was sufficient so there you go so it was going to be three parts of

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a story no matter what well yeah but the he discarded two acts of his script yeah

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so he said he used the first third of that script which is the first act right sorry

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it wasn't that he discarded two other scripts oh okay i thought he had maybe split that one script no not really

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parts i just said okay unbreakable's gonna be this first one he does have a trilogy but the script

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for unbreakable apparently that's had two other actors said on here on this

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trivia well let's kick into it see what you dissected from it maybe we can sorry well chris was able to now now that

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being said even even uh so say you have exactly star wars is three yes but you still have a

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beginning middle and end even up the first part so absolutely yeah it's it's definitely weird chris was a was able to

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nail those down i could not see it so chris probably has it i i was not able

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to i mean we can talk about her whatever but yeah just i guess a minute ago you said yeah i guess this is important like i think it's really important like at

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the beginning it's one of my favorite openings of any movie yeah yeah she's in there she's you know

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giving birth has given birth this baby's crying um and like i think

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wrong i want to see the first line is he's supposed to be crying like this right so you're automatically like got the sense of oh yeah bread and

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something's not right yes and then oh here's the doctor he comes in and he's looking at it and you can tell like

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there's a lot of reflections in this movie a lot yes um so the other reflection and you could tell his face was not right and then his line did you

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drop this baby right like that's really cool like automatically pulling you into me like here's this baby who's crying is

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he supposed to be crowned like that and then the reveal you know all his arms and legs are broken yeah yeah and then the

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music kicks in you see the title unbreakable like bam i'm hooked i got my popcorn that's obviously not this

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character that's unbreakable right right talk about that we can talk about it but i think that i think it does apply to him yes well i think it does and

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shyamalan does that a couple times like on the train there is such foreboding about the sounds yeah and the shadows as

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that train starts to speed up was that when the train starts to speed up that was after he took off his wedding ring

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because he's introduced to a single attractor back on right right so obviously you have the marriage

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troubles are foreshadowed and then the train starts to speed up and go into this

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tunnel of okay you're being launched into this story right and bad yeah yeah sure

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that's the way i felt anyway you know yeah i like the the opening image yeah i mean you see that this guy is unhappy right yeah i know he's unfulfilled he

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takes as uh i think there's a lot about um the way i broke it down with him embracing a lie willing to embrace the

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lack as he lied to um lied to audrey about being injured right in the car wreck so i think he's

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willing to embrace live a lie right to be for happiness at the beginning so he's willing to he's lying to the chick

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right he takes off his ring the only true things that i saw that he said to her was his name and i'm afraid of water

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yeah everything else he says is a complete lie right right which of some veggies messed around and coming on do and all that stuff but um

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just interesting to me the the theme about this movie because they say said a lot about you know you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing

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um i like how the kid's staring at him like he gets caught by the kid you know after the whole exchange and knows that the chicks married and stuff even the to

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me the kid looking at him saying as a married man that's not what you're supposed to be doing right um

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i really like that yeah and even the the way the camera pans back and forth like it's like it's the kid's view you know

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looking at them i don't know i really like that but yeah the chaos happens five minutes into this movie yeah

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well that was one of the things i noticed about you talking about the camera yeah and that was one of the things i found because i kept asking

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why is he shooting that way you know is it just his style and it i found that it said um

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the angles or the way the scenes were shot turns out that m night shyamalan shot it to look like a comic book

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a lot of the panels okay yes yeah and when she said that and we and i looked at him second time

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totally especially through the window with the curtain when uh right yeah it looked like and then because i said well

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you know you're shooting from a distance to keep the audience at a distance or like you're the observer but a lot when you go back and look a lot of those

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scenes are like could be panels yeah i thought it was the same thing on

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the because there's a line in there about him and audrey about she when he and audrey go on the date um she says do you knowingly hold joseph and i at a

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distance yeah and he says yes and i feel like the movie does that you brought the angels until he starts to let them in

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and then we start like we don't get any very many close-ups of him like there's a close-up when the train's doing its thing and he kind of looks around and

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does like the signature bruce willis look to me um but yeah yeah anyhow yeah there's one scene that i'm like where is

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he you know you have to find him in the scene yeah um

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so the train crash yes so it's the catalyst for to me the train crash is what sets off this adventure well okay

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yeah so we disagree on the catalyst and that's probably because you have got your 15 beats and i don't so uh

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still in the setup like when when he he walks out of the hospital and all the other

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uh relatives are there waiting on their loved one to come out and of course they're not and they're all staring at

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him and they're all you can almost hear the question why are you alive and and my loved one dead and then

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the uh his wife comes up and you could tell that they're estranged and the sun joins their hands

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and yeah they're so estranged that being the sole survivor of a train wreck is not enough to bring these two to drive

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these two into each other well they're very uncomfortable like that like do i hug him or do i not hug him you know this is we're not in that place

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um so you had the catalyst as the train wreck or whatever um that's what starts everything destroying

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the soul survivor well uh and elijah is responsible for that which we find out later yes

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okay so sherry once said that's your fault if you haven't seen it yeah right 22 years old well you mentioned that it

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is very cool what shyamalan did because when when uh later on when uh elijah's mother

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is encouraging him to go outside you know there'll be one out a comic book every day on the bench you just

23:05

have to go get it he goes and gets it the first one you know the one we see she uh

23:12

it's almost like a wink to the audience you know she says to him i hear this one has a surprise ending sure oh there's so many

23:18

lines of dialogue throughout the movie that are like yeah uh him talking to the audience yeah that's rude i was like yes

23:23

sir okay okay so i had all right so i hear what you're saying to me the train wreck

23:29

and him surviving to us it's a surprise but he but he

23:34

even when he's talking with elijah there's a scene where elijah and him are talking and they're both lying to each other elijah's lying about all these

23:42

accidents that have happened because he did them yeah and bruce is lying about never being injured because he has

23:48

and so these two characters are not being honest with each other in the scene in their dialogue right

23:53

so so at this point m knight is lying to us right because

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it's a big shock that bruce survived but it's not not to not to him now maybe

24:05

gradually he learns i've never been sick you know so he's got to remember but he knows

24:11

he knows all even though we don't know that he survived that car act without an accident okay

24:17

an injury yeah so so so the the train on some level has is still part of his ordinary world i've been in rex and i

24:23

don't get hurt okay now he's going through stuff with his wife and he's very it's a very somber very melancholy performance

24:31

but on some level to me that's still part of his ordinary world because he whether he knows it or not he gets in

24:37

wrecks and doesn't get hurt so so no hold on but you're saying he does know it and i'm saying and i don't

24:42

think he does like he's he's so much enriched in living his lie that he has suppressed all that well he may have

24:48

suppressed it oppress the memories and all that stuff that's why he's unhappy yes absolutely but it's still part of

24:53

his not doing what he's supposed to be it's still part of his ordinariness right it's that's not something new even

24:58

if he is not aware of it no he's been a direct before and never been hurt but it's still the thing that starts all the chain events in the story

25:05

to me well okay i think he would have kept on living the way he had without the train

25:12

wreck without you with the train wreck with the train wreck okay until elijah leaves the and this is where my catalyst

25:18

is leaves the note of the windshield i thought about that i thought about that being in the catalyst yeah i thought about that is that edition you know so

25:25

yeah that's what kicks him to go to that was a double bump catboy does the

25:30

references double bump uh it's a cat boy blake snyder references uh a double bump sometimes uh heroes the callus happens

25:36

he definitely needs one sometimes heroes need uh an extra kick an extra kick in the pants

25:41

or uh he calls it a double bump um to to get on the you know to go through the door to get on the to break into two

25:47

so yeah i thought it was a double bump that could be all right i told the cows they're still being the sole survivor of a train wreck that's huge

25:54

it's huge for everybody but him even if he's not i know but i do think it's a double bump yeah the train wreck has to

25:59

be because because that's being stubborn he's survived for freaking that yeah i would disagree with the everyday being

26:06

the same because the only other event that he's had in his life up until then was the car wreck it's not like this

26:12

guy's constantly dodging yeah he's never been sick close he is literally like i haven't had a sick day never even encouraged him until now what about in

26:18

the pool though but the pool is his weakness we learn oh okay he's afraid of water and they set

26:24

that up quickly and then that kind of breaks into the third movie in the trilogy of

26:30

the water yeah and did does he die in the third one yeah in a puddle

26:36

yeah it's interesting he referenced he predicts his own death in in this one right um because he talks about when he

26:41

talks about uh drowning in a you know when he was younger and he drowned and all that you know he says uh you know yeah i drown on some water or whatever

26:47

he goes the heroes won't die like that and then i thought it was very interesting that is the way he ends up dying anyway so to me i wonder if was

26:53

him knight predicting a new way back then that's how i'm going to get did it get rid of david dunn or

26:59

did he has his you know change in the storytelling and stuff well i think it would set up his sphere of water almost

27:05

drowning and then when he confronts the killer in the house he gets dropped in the pool that's

27:10

supposed to be your yeah he gets thrown into the fire on his trial run as a hero right but but he he lives out of the

27:16

pool obviously the kids help him yeah but he but and this and i love m knight but he drowns in a six-inch water of

27:22

yeah they hold his face down well it would be much better if he had been if you're gonna kill him that way in in glass have him end up in that big vat

27:29

yeah how can you get out of the pool but yeah but if he's held well because they held him down yeah but someone's

27:35

stronger than him right i mean who who is the guy that holds some guards that was the confusing part to me

27:40

apparently it was this should have been the beast special team dedicated to fighting superheroes

27:47

that's the third movie that we're yeah yeah yes um all right so okay so we'll call it a double bump

27:53

because yes without the train wreck he never gets the note on the windshield never goes to see glass never even knows

28:00

about glass right because grass is looking for him um yeah because that's all part of the double bumper the in the

28:05

debate to me like he you know he starts to question his existence right what's so special about him um he goes to the funeral

28:12

something's interesting i thought and i don't know if it matters not but like at the funeral he's the parking lot's empty he's the last

28:18

one he stayed for all of them yeah yeah yeah i didn't pick up on that but yeah and then uh he finds a note on his car

28:24

how many days in your life have been sick so he asked his boss about it right yeah because he starts thinking and his boss's solution is i'll give you a raise

28:30

you're right he asked audrey about it and she goes i think i'm just too tired i can't remember no one gives a [ __ ] really about this answer except for one

28:37

guy right well yeah it doesn't absolutely yeah absolutely now we're not good well when i'm brought up

28:43

the pool lumber's talking about when he was a child yeah he he actually died he said he died yeah yeah that's what i was

28:49

talking about yeah okay yeah that's where his origin of yeah but that's his wife

28:54

that's his kryptonite yeah yes yes but that's what i was talking about he's never been injured well he died

29:02

yeah yeah um it's like a vampire stake through the heart will kill him yeah stake through the heart will kill anybody

29:08

um i did i did think that okay so if at any other time if you have two people

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asking when was the last time i was sick okay well how that is nobody wants to sit around for a

29:19

conversation like that it's a very boring conversation however the acting the writing that whole performance of

29:26

them just talking about when was the last time i was sick at the doorway like you're i was in rapture i was like

29:31

totally into it right and so so to me right off the bat it's like yeah m night man he's the man can take us

29:38

an innocuous conversation well when was the last time i was sick and make it where you are just hanging on you know

29:44

even the bed with the soul survivor or whatever like you know why are you looking me like that well there's two reasons why i'm looking at you yeah i

29:50

thought that was five minutes and i love that shot of the patient bleeds out in the in the foreground um

29:56

yeah so yeah he just but that conversation in the doorway about how many days we've been sick just the note

30:01

with all that stems from him being the sole survivor of a train wreck right but uh

30:06

but but i'm interested in knowing how many days he's been you know sure if we if me and you were

30:12

having a podcast about last time you were sick right nobody would care yeah we'd have

30:17

to tell them that we were the social writer for trainwreck with no injuries right um it's it's like like hitchcock

30:23

would do it you know whatever but it's it's it's attaching great meaning to just the most innocuous thing sure i

30:30

saw a thing uh yesterday alfred hitchcock was talking he goes uh imagine four people sitting around a

30:36

table and they're just having a conversation about their day and then a bomb goes off yeah from under

30:41

the table well you're gonna be sitting there watching four people talk and be like what is this about yeah you'll be shocked for two seconds but you tell

30:47

people there's a bomb under the table yeah then have four hands stressful that's m night i think took

30:53

that right out oh yeah you know that you're something special about it yes for sure it builds up and it's like the scene

31:00

with the baby at the hospital opening scene all of a sudden we're not talking we know something's a foot you know right

31:06

it's yeah it's it's it definitely tightens the screws throughout the whole movie i like it yeah absolutely

31:12

uh then we cut to this is breaking the two is going to to see elijah a limited edition to me because it's you know it's

31:18

the okay the the catalyst right and the double bump and then the the only person that cares about the answer how many days you've been sick is this one guy

31:24

who left a note let me go see this guy and we're introduced to glass previous to bruce willis walking in with

31:30

his son berating the one guy trying to buy the painting for his camera well in the flashback of the beginning yeah there's

31:35

a flashback yeah you're introduced to this guy who's taking this stuff very seriously sure that's the first part

31:41

bruce willis hadn't met him yet you're like okay right that's true that's an important introduction yeah no so the yeah after

31:47

the note on the windshield there is this flashback and i and again

31:52

m knight is skillful because this is the thing that like with donner in 16 blocks right ev and we're going to

32:00

get to this but every choice is intentional you watch most of that scene in the

32:05

glass reflection of a television then it goes to the glass window it's not do you i mean 99 of that scene is in

32:12

glass oh you're talking about the with the in the comments can't talk sorry the comic book is

32:18

presented to him by his mom right that's what we're talking about yeah i guess i had another note on that there it starts this motif of the comic book's upside

32:25

down and he rotates it right yeah and then the comic book later on in the store the century man that one's upside down and

32:31

the mom basically explains it to me at the end about the it's it's all to me it's his world view and how it's it's hinting at us that it's slightly excuse

32:38

me absolutely it's 100 because they're looking at the world upside down from everybody else yes that and sherry

32:44

yeah that was the scene where um bruce willis son is hanging upside down

32:50

watching the tv it's always a

32:55

something shadow foreshadowing of every time something's upside down something bad is going to happen yeah sorry

33:01

very interesting also i think thank you for finishing that for me it's me what i got out of the kid

33:07

also watching the world upside down right two things his world's about to be turned upside down what you're talking about also the kid's the first one that

33:13

buys into the kool-aid that leaves elijah is selling right and trying to get him to drink yeah they both look at the world upside down or are willing to

33:19

at least right right yeah yes where brazil's like you know his response i love it don't take another sip of that water joseph yeah yes this is uh because

33:26

after the flashback we're immediately into the where where he's selling the picture to the guy yeah and and what i have what i

33:34

was talking about earlier elijah present-day running his shop serious about his work not a toy store and then he says do you see any

33:40

teletubbies in here and i swear to god i heard him say mother you know do you see any teletubbies in his mother again i

33:46

think that's uh it shows elijah's character but it's also m knight talking to the audience saying this is not a kid's comedy yeah

33:52

yeah this is not a yeah this is for adults right yeah this is the this is how superheroes

33:59

are depicted in the real world real world yeah um so that's to me that even talks about

34:04

the depiction yeah the thing to notice about this piece the thing that makes it very special is its real depiction of its character yeah yeah yeah yeah it's

34:10

100 he's talking about the drawing but he's 100 to the audience there they're

34:16

there are layers like and that's a director choice you know making conscious decisions on the set

34:23

yeah we could shoot it here but we're going to shoot it upside down right in that television because he's glass and

34:28

this is glad and it's all going to conscience subconscious of of the theme right yeah you know that because

34:35

because the director is is a visual writer if you i mean sure shyamalan is a writer but

34:42

a good director is writing with the camera just like a writer will you know in my opinion um

34:48

so i have that as sort of the setup the catalyst is the note and then and then i have the

34:56

word debate and then i have all the rest of my notes you know all right

35:01

um so to me it says is breaking the two is is going to see elijah hearing this crazy superhero theory right and then

35:06

the fun and games is him toying with that and testing it and you know this guy's full of [ __ ] oh maybe

35:12

it's not let's look how much weight i can lift i've never been sick like it's yeah which i see what you're saying

35:17

about that whole thing being this big long debate yeah he's he's all the time questioning debating is this real or

35:24

don't drink the water you know soda with trash wait a minute let's put some more on

35:29

there you know weights and stuff um because to me like if the fun and games

35:35

should be the superhero doing superhero things left and lift and weight that nobody else can lift and more than they ever had is the funning games

35:42

when the heroes are depicted in the real world right okay that was the thing that was the thing that took me out of

35:48

the movie just a little bit is he laid down on a weight bench unaware of how much weight was on that

35:54

and lifted it you and i both know you never just lived apart with well i think he's like wait

36:00

he had to start off knowing right and you know he starts off knowing right so well how much weight did you put on

36:06

there yes exactly yeah yeah yeah and then he's like oh it's only three hundred and twelve warmed up too right i mean again you and i both know you're

36:12

not gonna just lay down and throw everything you got you gotta warm up otherwise you're gonna hurt yourself so i got that he had been at it a while he

36:18

had warmed up he'd already done some stuff and and at one point just said hey jack can i throw some weight on there yeah sure or dad can i put the weight on

36:24

there yeah sure son just don't do do too much or whatever and then yeah joseph hit it then he and then he took weight

36:30

off quote unquote but he didn't i lied you know yeah i lied it's like the dad's already driving the kids are you

36:35

drinking the kool-aid where david is not bad things can happen because later he pulls a gun on him right you know yeah

36:41

you know um yeah again superhero stuff superman is super strong superman is bulletproof

36:47

these are how it's you know the real world depictions right i mean that's what it is it's what does superman look like when he works out well how much can

36:54

superman bench if you have a real world superman and that is the funny game that's a fun scene that's a good way

36:59

he's fun but it's not him it's funny right and it has to be there has to be a

37:05

three-act structure even within it's funny games of him entertaining the idea am i a superhero but it's it's not him being a superhero the way breaking the

37:11

three is being the superhero the way that doing what he's supposed to be doing okay yeah the way that he does it is i i feel like i was on bruce willis's

37:19

side of he's not a superhero don't do that don't point the gun at him don't put weight on there oh for sure m knight really pulls

37:26

you along with that of is he or isn't he but again and i agree and when the theme is are you doing what you're supposed to

37:32

be doing so that's this is the whole argument of that theme is he doing what he's supposed to do and here's all these hints he's got the the instinct yeah

37:38

right he works as a security guard i mean samuel jackson points it out of all the professions you chose to protect people and here he is

37:44

i've never lifted that much but he did it without any issues he keeps lifting more weight and then finally he gives it a little bit and what else can we add on

37:51

what else can we put on the right right paint cans on there like no no to your point it has to be because there even

37:57

even if you threw away two thirds of shyamalan script and he only shot the first act yes but you still have to have a beginning middle and end so i i am

38:04

sure you're right it just felt like all debate to me sure uh and the fact that two-thirds was

38:10

thrown away sort of reassures me yeah okay because there is really no clear okay i'm

38:16

superman now and i'm going to go off and have fun in games by stopping if this was an over-the-top superhero

38:23

movie he would all of a sudden be stopping crime and well sure drawing attention from the press and we're not

38:29

just trying on his title turning spider-man has to go go spidey webb he has to learn his skills and what can i do how strong am i how much can i how

38:35

fast can i run yeah can i jump or not that's what he's doing here in my opinion yeah okay i mean he's swinging by his website i'm sure you're right

38:42

because there's no way this is all just one act yeah that's a really long beat you know right right

38:48

but that's that's the that's the exact impression i got and i get what you're saying with that but yeah this is what i got out of it was okay um

38:55

yeah because he's learning about his instincts um developing his instinct the stadium um

39:01

sorry so when he's developing his uh

39:06

skills at the stadium it was m night shyamalan it was the drug like he brushed up against him and was testing his powers

39:13

that's part of the fun and games of to me that's what it would have to be in terms of the way yeah he's pushing his legs learn about it and even again when

39:19

we're talking the audience now we know something we don't know didn't know before like samuel jackson says that about the instinct learning the

39:24

instincts yeah yeah but shyamalan's script must have been 300 pages because

39:30

i guarantee the break into two of that original script probably occurred at the end of

39:36

this movie or they're very close there's a lot of weightlifting scenes yeah well

39:41

the rest of that movie was probably the david dunn doing

39:46

more like embracing who he was and doing superhuman stuff so when he when he lopped off the second

39:54

and third act he had to sort of retrain this first act to be all three acts you know right uh

40:00

okay where does it go after that he's doing his fun and games uh testing his limits yeah and even uh i have in here

40:07

whatever the uh for the part of the front of games is joseph pointing the gun out at his dad right that's fun david's yeah

40:13

well if you think about testing his limits absolutely right am i bulletproof or not right he's still debating it

40:18

right that was the emotional pull as you're watching that kid going i think he's a superhero if he pulled the

40:24

trigger what would he like what's going to happen yeah but is bruce you're still on bruce willis oh yeah no there's no not serious you're still

40:31

yeah open the air as the audience member too right okay yeah he lifted but 350 pounds is not crazy right you know

40:36

exactly and then and then he comes back to the kid of if you pull that trigger i will survive but i'm leaving yeah he's

40:43

getting to put the gun down and because even i don't think even he's sure at that point because i i wasn't and then the kids said well i'll only shoot you

40:49

once yeah i love that one okay but also um one thing i noticed uh

40:55

he's got the gun on bruce uh will his first instinct uh or david's instinct i guess yeah he steps away from audrey

41:01

protection yeah oh superhero like his first thing is to move away because they're standing close together

41:06

yeah yeah i didn't pick one that's awesome this crazy kid does shoot the gun it's only going to hit me you know but yeah

41:12

he steps away from audrey all right so i know you i know you have to be right because there is no way this is just a

41:19

one-act movie right but i don't have the break into two until he calls elijah confesses he has never been

41:25

injured to elijah and then says what am i supposed to do now that's my three that's my break yeah okay so

41:30

and then the fun in games is him testing his powers at the at the train station or

41:38

whatever and discovering the the the home invader because i only have one funding game

41:43

really and that's my finale i would think i would think when uh glass goes with him to the football stadium and

41:49

they find the guy standing in line with the gun that would be that's funny i think i think when he

41:56

invites elijah to him well elijah shows up with a false account yeah he shows

42:01

yeah i think that's more of the prelude to the third act of hey you got it you know you got it you've already done the

42:06

fun in games let's test it i think the third act would be right in that area because then he goes to the

42:12

bus station to really do a final stuff before that yeah yeah but i think

42:18

that in that area would be the third act you know that's still part of the fun and games to me and even as far as the

42:23

debate right about disney superhero is he not is elijah full of [ __ ] and crazy or is he right we see elijah

42:29

so convinced he risked his own self and falls down the stairs and suffers like yeah no he is

42:35

just to see yeah that he's right though that guy did have a gun with the you know it was worth 16 months of rehab

42:41

right he's also upside down there too he's staring at the guy upside down yeah yeah yeah that's true so um yeah i have the

42:48

break in the two when he's cut when he you know uh cause and so elijah obviously is the b

42:54

story oh for sure uh who always has been from the beginning uh elijah the b story tells him what to

43:00

do and he has been the one pushing bruce willis in i i wrote pushing him into the light you know

43:06

pushing him to embrace and be what he's supposed to be actually i think there are each other to

43:11

be stories as well yes because uh now i know who you are i know who i am

43:17

yeah at the end yes and so i i only like i said i only have one fun and game which is uh

43:24

the bus station the bus station and going to the home invader uh and i thought it was interesting that

43:29

the children like he saves the children parents are dead but the children wind up saving him out

43:35

of the pool okay so because to me because there's a scene where his son

43:41

says oh i thought i was like you but i'm not like you but that can't be the point that only heroes

43:47

are superheroes right right uh because he stepped up and tried to save that girl he got his ass kicked but he did it

43:53

and then hero does that even if he loses and those kids save him save the hero right so right

43:59

there has to be this this thematic thing okay yes bruce willis is going to be a superhero because elijah later says

44:07

the theme i think is stated way late you know around this point but you know we live in mediocre times

44:13

and people think there's nothing extraordinary in themselves or in others right and yet those kids saving bruce

44:19

willis means the movie has to answer the question yes there is right uh

44:24

and so that to me is the theme and and then the fun and games and like i said the rest of the

44:30

rest of the two acts would be i guess another movie or the two-thirds of the script or whatever but but i i i i knew writing

44:37

this i said well i know there has to be a breakdown here and chris will probably have it but i cannot i cannot find what i think is

44:46

the rest of the beats you know i think it's all debate and then acceptance yeah to me is the false defeat when sorry the

44:52

midpoint's a false defeat when he learns that he did drown as a kid well if i drown then i can't be a superhero no

44:57

matter if i can yeah okay it makes sense no matter if i got this little instinct thing uh superheroes don't die

45:02

superheroes don't drown in water like that right that's what he says to him yeah that's true that's his false defeat and then elijah even buys into it and is

45:09

depressed hanging out in the comic book store right um and okay cracker jack yeah yeah

45:14

yeah and i like that there's a that's the first reference we get of calling the cops about elijah because ultimately the cops are called on elijah yeah sure

45:21

yeah so there's the first round you keep that up again i'm gonna call the cops and then later on when they're uh after he's done a superhero bit and he they're

45:28

at the table together audrey says hey i've decided if elijah shows up again we should probably call the cops yeah yeah yeah there's three

45:34

there's two references and then it does happen yeah i thought that was interesting um but yeah but he's all depressed upset

45:39

you know destroying this uh this poor dude's comic shop or whatever um and then

45:45

i think if he he slams into the the comic book rack right and then he falls into his lap and again it's upside down

45:50

and he turns it yeah right writes it up and then um he buys that comic book doesn't he yeah

45:56

how much do this yeah i'll take this one i'm gonna go call the cops wait no i want to buy this um

46:02

so for his bad guy for me apart of backlight is closing because it's false defeat right so i'm not a superhero so

46:07

i'm gonna go back on fix and you know mind go back to living the lie right right fix my marriage right so he goes

46:12

on a date with audrey starts to patch things up with everything the date goes well right things are so he's in danger of going back to living this life the

46:18

date went well um he gets the job in new york that he went for again that's because that's in direct conflict of

46:23

doing what he's supposed to do supposed to be doing yeah um and then i mean we never learn what the job is but it's not being a superhero

46:30

you know what i mean i would have to assume it's some security job yeah did the the girl the

46:36

babysitter mention whether yeah yeah but it's security is a shadow or an echo

46:43

of what he's really supposed to sure doing well yeah elijah says that you know of all the jobs you could have done anything but you chose protection you

46:50

know whatever right right um yeah so all these things keeping him from doing what he's supposed to be

46:55

doing is the bad guys close into me well like when he he's mad at elijah initially

47:01

because he said when i got that note of my windshield it was the first day i woke up and i wasn't sad because i thought maybe you had an answer he does

47:07

have an answer when he's on his date with his wife he's already done some of this he's starting to warm up to the idea that

47:13

he's the superhero and so now his marriage is getting better so so his

47:18

desire to achieve the better you know to get back with his wife is linked oh for sure to the outward

47:24

call of him embracing the fact that he's a superhero because they were happy when they got he was happy when they got together and then he decided to lie for

47:30

her because she didn't like football yeah right and so then and he's been miserable right from that day on

47:36

right right women right so now you know yeah

47:42

yeah now they're she's paying the price they're paying the price for him having you know decided to lie could it could that be an

47:49

allegory of just a normal person living their life don't live a lie do what you were meant

47:54

to do yeah probably sure a cautionary tale you're a superhero too right maybe don't live 350 pounds don't

48:02

do that right so yeah so i have all his losses elijah calls david tells him that his epiphany about the weakness right you

48:07

know it's your kryptonite you know that's all his loss yeah yeah it's always lost um the midpoint was a false defeat so this

48:13

is a false victory right um oh where he's getting everything he wants yet yeah yeah i'm not a superhero this guy's

48:20

crazy you know that kind of thing yeah um so david david goes to the rail yard right examines the wreckage and we learned

48:26

through flashbacks um that he had you know super strength to save audrey yeah he wasn't injured right he ripped the

48:32

door off he ripped the door off and he wasn't injured yet and he lied about it um uh he loved being a quote unquote hero

48:39

on the field right um but he gave that up for the woman he loved i mean he's committed to living a

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a lie for her right but the settings feels every day that's that's what's costing we're talking about a second ago

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right yeah something he says that today something's not right i just don't i don't know it's still not right audrey right yeah so

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his breaking the three is in his dark line of the soul is having to admit that right he can either

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admit the truth and and ask elijah what comes next or he can keep living the lie and he can take that job in new york or

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he can patch these things up with his body yeah yeah right right it's ordinary ordinary or superhero those are his

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choices right right yes yeah okay so he breaks into three but colin elijah's saying all

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right what do i do and he tells him you know go to a public place so that all of that to me is the finale yeah i know i think i think translation and and

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testing it out and i like how it even escalates like the first person bumps him to him yeah he doesn't stop a a date

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rapist and a thief gotta go for the big crimes right right

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yeah yeah well i i actually wrote also all of those um had already happened there's nothing well now see that was

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the question he could do about it because he he bumps up against m knight and then searches him and there's no

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drugs yeah which means m knight was there to buy drugs and hadn't bought him yet no i think he'd already gotten rid

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of him or whatever well that's that okay that's what i thought too but where would you where would you have gotten like why would you because that was a

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drug drop right the drug dealer put him in the can m knight gets him because his jacket was different too i thought that was a blue jacket i thought i thought he

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had a different jacket on either way he was involved in drugs sure he's dirty like the instincts aren't wrong but

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yeah well that but that was the question though whether he was his because that's what i was asking when i was watching this okay does he

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does he know future crimes or he's no past crimes oh uh i think it's past crimes from what i've seen

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because when he had already killed the bad guy the the yeah the murderer when he finds the janitor he knows through

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the vision that this guy's still occupying that house okay all right guys i just got rid of the drugs at that

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point yeah because he searches him he doesn't find him right and okay and that can be maybe is uh and the guy also already was already

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carrying the gun he wasn't about to carry the gun he had already put the gun on there right you know yeah and he and he didn't see

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the crime of him shooting somebody but he said sometimes people will do like he knew he had the gun yeah but

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i never see what he saw he just describes a gun yeah but he describes some people they they do bad things you

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know team loses and they so yeah did he have a vision of the guy shooting up the place and then maybe that would be before i mean or you know i mean

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something happened i mean yeah yeah so i was unclear about whether his power is extended to

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future crimes yeah i feel like it's passed but yeah i don't i mean i agree just kind of unclear yeah

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either way and also i feel like maybe him he's first really trying to develop it right right he with

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m knight maybe it doesn't work out right because he's he hasn't developed it yet right he got a glimpse of it but he can't put the pieces together true he's

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still defining it because yeah because because maybe even he doesn't know and he says that to

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mr glass he's you know yeah you know you just people get rowdy their team loses i

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just he looks like a guy that may have a gun but no those are your powers telling you that no have you ever developed it

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yeah yeah right so he's still developing it so maybe even he doesn't know if it's past present future he just goes with

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his instinct yeah yeah because um so yeah so he goes he takes out this trash guy or whatever um

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and yeah i thought it was interesting that he gets hit with you know trial by fire on his first trial run like it's thrown into the pool

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not just the pool will pull the cover on it yeah and any person would have a hard time escaping and it's it's a sherry said we should look for die-hard

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moments well the whole scene of him being thrown into the drywall is exactly how he fought and promised it won't hurt

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you you know in the beginning he's got the guy around the neck and the guy is bashing his head into the drywall just

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like in in i'm sure that's not intentional but but that's you know because what i got is this guy's you know it's like riding a bull this guy is

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going nuts this guy would have crossed i remember the drywall do whatever you want you can't hurt them right i honestly think um

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was the serial killer janitor guy was he on the level of uh split with

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that character like was he a villain like when he bumped into him and saw those people was he not just a serial

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killer was he a super human oh i don't know it could have been hard because of the way they were fighting bruce willis being unbreakable quote

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unquote extra strong yeah that's true he was getting tossed around by this guy so maybe was that something he would sense

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from somebody of yeah this lady's just a regular thief she stole some diamonds yeah maybe this one's just

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this guy but yeah maybe monster yeah maybe do you know the

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the lady and child he bumps into at the stadium um when he hears yeah we never saw a

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vision didn't we yeah well he hears the kid or something that is actually the

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character from split i read the kid the kid i mean the kid is the character that grows up

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is in split and that's his mom okay the moment was terrible and split yeah okay

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that was the little james mcavoy that's what i read i mean no i'm sure that's right it would make total sense yeah if i'm not i don't remember the

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connection but because you said somebody said it's called the east rail you know yes i've never heard that but yeah they explained in sweat about i don't

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remember what it is but there's something to do with the train that crashed or whatever uh splits his character is connected to

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that somehow i don't remember what the connection is well it's like the the the trilogy with uh

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um [Music] uh simon pegg the cornetto trilogy yeah the the ice cream right everyone yeah

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cornetto's the ice cream but it's uh sean of the dead hot fuzz and then uh

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the world's end yeah and all the cornetto trilogy yeah so it might be something like that you know

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could be and that sounds like something m night would do yeah um and then we get

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the surprise ending really i have really this whole movie is the first act obviously you skip stuff man sorry go

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ahead um so just i don't know here so immediately after he takes out this bad guy right so

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he saved his family he saved what's left of this family by saving what's left of the family yeah he's able to save what's left of his marriage right yeah because

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they haven't been able to embrace it all even after a train wreck it doesn't drive them into each other's arms but then he's carrying her up the stairs and

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they share the bed together and who knows how long right right well there's this the scene and again it to me it

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harkens back extraordinary things in people right because bruce willis is unbreakable he uh you

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know you probably could shoot him and he wouldn't die but he has a nightmare and his wife

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reassures him and he gets reassurance from her so so you have this lady who abhors violence being able

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to protect this you know so it's the quiet strength it's the extraordinary things in

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ordinary people sure that that he looks to her to feel safe you know right because that

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was the thing that i didn't wake you that was when i knew we were in trouble but obviously the bookend of yes and now

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i'm asking you again meaning they're okay but an ordinary person having i mean telling you know trying to calm

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superman down telling me it's going to be okay essentially what's happening right sure you know um i thought that was that was awesome

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you know amazing you know and just an interesting choice so i mean we talk about like it's you know synonymous with

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him being you know is he superhero is nice for her with this marriage right um they're all happy now again but he's

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still lying to her he doesn't tell her well the secret identity yeah what he's doing yeah he tells the kid he tells the

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son and you were right and all that stuff so he's still living alive but now it's it's a lie but i'm gonna be a hero and

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she's happy and i'm happy you know it's well i i it's because he's he's happy because

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he can now be who he is supposed to be he's supposed to be uh it's like a guy that's been married

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for 40 years gets a a girlfriend and now he's happy and more attentive to his wife because

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he's he's getting his needs that was interesting that's what happens yeah it kind of is yeah

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what happens but you know he's living his life he's more happy yeah and i like the

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the opposite of the headlines like he goes back and looks at the headlines of the previous crashes and stuff and he

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was making headlines as a victim and now this last one he's making headlines yeah it's kind of cool

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yeah wow so would you want in the twist ending yeah twist ending yes the surprisingly

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foreshadowed at the beginning and then and then you know and i guess that that's why i thought okay

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this is i'm so relieved that two-thirds of the script was thrown away because at least at some level i'm validated right but

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but uh elijah says you know you know his his final words almost are it has begun

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right so now we know that this is bruce willis life he's going to go into the second and third act of his life as

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the superhero elijah sees this as as the the origin story the beginning of

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their story you know do you think elijah saw himself as the arch villain

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before that conversation because it seemed to me like all was revealed to him you were the hero i'm the villain

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did he ever see that the train crash was bad like did he know that the things he was doing were

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they evil or did does that make any sense yeah i feel like and there's somebody so i feel like his reveal he

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was very machiavellian like i need to find my alternate he didn't realize everything i'm doing is evil well he

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didn't realize it before until the end but in the finals we see his when he realized i don't think we see that on screen well he says so many so

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many sacrifices i think he regrets it on certain some level but he sees them as as acceptable losses and the price to

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pay and now that he's like now i've done all these and you're the hero i'm the villain i know who i am yeah now

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that i know who you are he says what an awful feeling you know not knowing not knowing who your place in the world what an awful awful feeling uh i know who i

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am right so now he knows who he is yeah this is where we shake hands like he knew what really yeah because that means they never

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touched throughout the movie because i thought about that okay it has to be a thing now that they never have touched right yeah uh and and he shakes hands

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completely intentionally because if i you're who you are i can now embrace this is where we shake hands even says

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it yeah absolutely this is now that that was the revelation to me moreover was

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sam jackson didn't know he was a villain he was doing these things because he

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thought it was i mean you think he found out right then and there i think he was hoping he was i think he was because he

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said uh i was always waiting for those particular set of words soul survivor no injuries

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and until he until he did he wasn't sure that he was the villain exactly that's what i mean yeah now he's like oh i am

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the villain oh i did this training he's okay with being a villain right and as long as there's any opposite out there

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yes crazy dude that's killing people for no reason that's terrible that's not

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knowing his place he's okay being the bad guy because i found this guy i found him exactly now everything is the

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sacrifices are okay which is the opposite of the spectrum right i'm here so that's be one of you because his view of the world is skewed and the

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mom even talks about that right it says the villain's eyes are larger than other characters it's a reflection of how they see the world um he sees he sees he's as

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acceptable sacrifice sacrifices yes to find that person these are willing there's even even says just to find you

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yep yeah absolutely yeah yeah and there's even a hint uh with his conversation with the mom before he goes back there to shake hands and when she's

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talking about the you know the villain's eyes larger and how they see the world and bruce willis goes well he doesn't look scary you know there's like a hint

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of coming like because we've gone to like elijah by this yeah he's bruce willis says we're becoming friends yeah we're becoming yeah he's trying to push

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him to be better and then he's like oh if you're this i must be the bad guy and then he

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reviews all the clips that he has i did all these things it was well worth it now i know who i am bruce willis is

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totally you can see that the horror and yeah it's terrible yeah right and he

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figures it out or whatever um and just i guess the thought i had about that i talked about earlier about unbreakable

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um the title itself elijah goes through all this stuff despite his feral condition he goes through all these things to

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identify you know to discover his if his series correct or not right so he's kind of unbreakable himself his will is

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unbreakable he will he will not because he he sacrificed 16 months of rehab to find out yeah his will was unbreakable all

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these people and his mother says you know there are soldier villains and and other villains you know that you fight

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the hero with their mind so yeah he was his mind was his willpower his mind was unbreakable as his strengths yeah the

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conversation with the mother there at the end was the the revelation that's where they all

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started it's like you were paying attention what she said he's the bad guy yeah yeah he's absolutely the bad guy

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cool is that all your notes that's all my hosts yeah you want to go around and do the pass oh

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yeah hard recommend hard recommend this is one of my favorite movies and like i said a movie to me is well i mean

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same reaction i've seen this movie five times but i am tearing up at the same time i'm cheering exactly the same time

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right every single time uh it grabs you and that good writing good

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directing and good story will do that you know what i'd say with like dancing with wolves i can't yeah i know exactly

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where i'm gonna cry right right you know definitely obviously a recommend for me

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oh yeah i recommend it yes i like it i'm gonna dissent i'm gonna say for my own personal i'm gonna pass

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um not that it's a bad movie just the dialogue part of it me seeing sam jackson speak those words just didn't

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scratch my itch sure but out of shyamalan's movies one of the top top three yeah in my

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opinion probably number two but i've seen it i'm good right yeah no watch it if you want to i don't

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know if this is what you're you're picking up or not um and i think he's a very talented director and writer but there are some times where i can

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hear shyamalan's voice in his dialogue like no matter what actor is saying it yes um

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so maybe that's what's picking up like especially like real bad with the happening wahlberg it doesn't sound like wahlberg

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talking to me it sounds like shyamalan because and maybe his cameos too like don't help that because you hear how his

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cadence in his own voice and how he talks um but yeah i thought simone jackson did a great job i i don't have

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any problem with signal jackson's dialogue no it's a movie yeah i don't hear that i heard it all it's in bruce willis at times with the directorial um

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skill that shyamalan has the writing skill just everything he is aces all the way

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across he makes good movies maybe the stories are lacking the twists are lacking whatever

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but the dialogue just it wasn't up to the standards of everything else in that

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movie so i think that fell short but other than that it's a great movie bruce willis great yeah brightness heyday so it's

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good all right cool anything else we're good well that's a fun one good deal we're

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out please if me and you were having a podcast about last time you were sick click you know right nobody would care

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[Music] still that was kind of flashy this to me [Music]

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this is one of my favorite openings ever okay you're being launched into this

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story right why is he's shooting that way you know

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to me right off the bat again like that he's the man it definitely tightens the screws

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throughout the whole a good director is writing with the camera just like a writer

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