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“Maybe I don’t always have to give the molecule—maybe I could give the wave. If I can give the wave and do the same thing as giving the molecule, boy, that will be a revolution.” says Dr Lance Becker, pioneering emergency medicine doctor and chair of Northwell Health’s emergency department, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to unravel the tantalizing future of medicine at the quantum frontier.
Lance B. Becker M.D. FAHA is an internationally recognized physician-scientist and a leading authority in the field of emergency medicine, resuscitation, cardiology, and critical care medicine. His work has revolutionized resuscitation science, particularly in the realms of cardiac arrest management, therapeutic hypothermia, therapies for reperfusion injury, and mitochondrial medicine.
In his role as a scientist, Dr Lance Becker has begun studying quantum biology and in this episode he explains why energy—not just biochemistry—guides cellular decisions of life and death, how mitochondria move through our bodies to heal in ways textbooks never taught, and what it will mean to diagnose and heal disease using non-invasive wave-based sensors rather than blood samples or pills. He describes an imminent paradigm shift, where detecting our subtle, unique energetic “fingerprints” will allow real-time, personalized diagnosis and treatment.
Tune in to this mind-expanding episode of the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to learn why Dr Lance Becker thinks biological science is on the threshold of its next revolution—one that could rival the discovery of DNA—and how you can be part of it.
5 Key Takeaways
- Imagine your body as a symphony of waves, not just chemicals—seek out ways to support your “wave health” with light, sound, and nature, not just pills and procedures.
- Don’t wait for science to catch up before taking action—spend time in sunlight, get outside, and explore low-risk practices that honor your body’s innate wave connection.
- Question old paradigms. Ask your health professionals about new frontiers like mitochondrial health, quantum biology, and non-invasive diagnostics. Push for innovation.
- Build bridges across disciplines—whether you’re a patient, researcher, or just curious—talk about these topics, form connections, and join communities moving quantum biology forward.
- Stay curious and courageous. There’s never been a better time to be part of a scientific revolution—your support, attention, and advocacy can help reshape the future of medicine.
Memorable Quotes
"It's very likely that each reaction has its own fingerprint of what waves those are. Because it's not just energy—it's a specific fingerprint to that energy, made up of this wavelength. If we can identify what those are, we could say, 'Oh, that reaction took place,' and that would be very powerful."
"We have a ton to figure out, and just think of all this fun research we can be doing on some of these things. I think one of the biggest questions for the general public is, does this seem like a valuable thing to maybe learn about? I kind of think this is a really important thing for us to learn about."
"When good science and truth are under attack, it’s really important that we have voices that tell everyone how valuable research is to the world and how valuable it could be to the future of the world, to our children, to our grandchildren and beyond."
Connect withe Dr. Becker
Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research: https://feinstein.northwell.edu/institutes-researchers/our-researchers/lance-b-becker-md-faha
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The Guy Foundation – https://www.theguyfoundation.org/
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All right, Dr. Lance Becker, welcome to the QBC
Speaker:podcast. This is going to be a fun time,
Speaker:I hope. I think we'll have some fun today. You're working on some
Speaker:cool stuff, so I'm looking forward to getting into it. But
Speaker:first, tell us a little bit who you are, what your background is.
Speaker:So I have kind of an unusual background. I'm an emergency medicine
Speaker:doctor, and I'm the chair of emergency medicine for the
Speaker:Northwell Health System. It's a big health care system with 30
Speaker:hospitals, but I'm also a scientist, and I run a basic
Speaker:science laboratory. And that is what is kind of like,
Speaker:led me down the rabbit hole to quantum
Speaker:biology that I'll talk a little bit about and sort of
Speaker:my background, because I see people when they're really desperately
Speaker:ill, sometimes they don't have a pulse. Okay. And
Speaker:my background is in trying to bring people back to life. And
Speaker:so I've worked in this area. It's called cardiac arrest or resuscitation.
Speaker:And it involves things like CPR and defibrillators
Speaker:and drugs and all the kinds of things that happen to
Speaker:people when they're really, desperately, desperately ill. And so I've
Speaker:tried to approach it both sort of at a high level and at a
Speaker:cellular level. Like, why is it, for example, that we just
Speaker:can't bring somebody who's been dead for a while just back
Speaker:to life? Like, what is the limitation to that? And that was
Speaker:really the question that I started with going back
Speaker:to when I was at the University of Chicago and I started
Speaker:a basic science lab. And we started to think about cells, and we started to
Speaker:think about what could we do to, like, maybe we could learn something from cells.
Speaker:And that work led me to some really
Speaker:interesting, interesting biology. And it led me to
Speaker:this little organelle that makes energy
Speaker:inside our body called the mitochondria.
Speaker:And mitochondria are sort of having a
Speaker:resurgence of interest right now because it's
Speaker:increasingly recognized that not only do
Speaker:they make energy, which is, like,
Speaker:vital, so if you don't have your mitochondria making energy, you will be
Speaker:dead in seconds. All right? But they also do all these other
Speaker:things, and they actually tell ourselves kind
Speaker:of the state they're in. So, like, should I
Speaker:live or should I die? Should I stay or should I go?
Speaker:And all of our cells have that kind of a switch inside
Speaker:them. Should I stay or should I go? And
Speaker:that switch is monitoring our cells all the time.
Speaker:And what we discovered over Maybe the last 20
Speaker:years is that one of the reasons that you can't bring a person back to
Speaker:life if they've been dead for a while is because that switch has gone off.
Speaker:So I began to look at how do you fix that? And so it has
Speaker:all kinds of things to do with mitochondrial health
Speaker:and mitochondrial behavior and then
Speaker:mitochondrial action. And so what
Speaker:sort of happened just in the last few years
Speaker:is that we actually figured out that these mitochondria don't even stay inside
Speaker:a cell all the time. They don't know
Speaker:boundaries. They're sort of like me that wanders
Speaker:all over the place, sometimes my career, as I've been accused of
Speaker:doing, you can imagine. And they don't stay in the box.
Speaker:Okay, so it turns out our mitochondria have the ability to
Speaker:get out of the box and go into another cell. Now, no one
Speaker:yet is even really teaching that in fundamental
Speaker:biology, certainly not when I went to medical
Speaker:school or graduate school, because that is so new
Speaker:and it is very controversial. And whether it is like for good
Speaker:or for ill is there's all kinds of controversy. And
Speaker:recently I was the host of a large,
Speaker:the world's first mitochondrial transplantation
Speaker:conference. Because it turns out it looks like it's going to be possible
Speaker:that if you desperately needed a mitochondria for energy,
Speaker:maybe I could slip one into you if I was really smart
Speaker:and give you a brand new working mitochondria. And it
Speaker:turns out that mitochondrial disabilities
Speaker:are fundamental to all kinds of things to
Speaker:bringing a patient back to life who's almost dead, to
Speaker:pediatric mitochondrial disease, to aging,
Speaker:to dementia, to heart disease,
Speaker:to toxins that we're exposed to, just all kinds of
Speaker:things because you can imagine energy is just fundamental to
Speaker:our existence. And so that
Speaker:whole, like exploring all of that space sort of
Speaker:led me to sort of a kind of an interesting point where
Speaker:so many colleagues said, lance, you've really got to get into
Speaker:energy now, just energy itself. And that
Speaker:sort of was my down the rabbit hole into quantum
Speaker:biology and quantum behavior. And so
Speaker:maybe just like a little bit of my. How I think about quantum.
Speaker:The quantum world. Like, yeah, what do we know about the quantum
Speaker:world? Like, I. But I'm not a quantum biologist. So that's
Speaker:the first thing to disclaimer here, you know. So what I
Speaker:think about is when you get down to those little tiny structures,
Speaker:teeny, you're going down. You're like below the size of
Speaker:a mitochondria, which is already like a mitochondria is about the
Speaker:limit of what you can see in the microscope, in a light microscope. And
Speaker:so now you get even smaller. And what happens is the world
Speaker:itself, us, we get very weird,
Speaker:okay? And by weirdness, I mean quantum
Speaker:weirdness, where the things inside us
Speaker:begin to not just behave like a molecule, like a ping
Speaker:pong ball bouncing around, but they begin to
Speaker:act like a wave. And so once things start
Speaker:to have this duality where it's like, ooh,
Speaker:maybe it's a thing, a particle. Oh, maybe it's a
Speaker:wave. Okay, now you've entered the quantum
Speaker:world. And so quantum biology
Speaker:is this growing field that's just kind of exploding
Speaker:where we're realizing these little things that we looked at for a long,
Speaker:long time and we thought they were just like due to a molecule. They
Speaker:also have the ability to be a wave. And
Speaker:that is weird. Okay? And that is quantum
Speaker:weirdness. And that's the world of quantum biology. Because we're
Speaker:starting to see that all kinds of reactions going inside of our
Speaker:body are somehow being influenced by
Speaker:both being maybe a particle, but maybe
Speaker:also being a wave at the same
Speaker:time. And that is really, really an
Speaker:eye opening kind of thing. And so that's kind of
Speaker:how I think of the quantum world. And, you know, it's probably
Speaker:very likely going to be bound up, bound up
Speaker:with, you know, disease, with
Speaker:my ability to make a diagnosis on
Speaker:someone, maybe my ability to treat them,
Speaker:like maybe I don't always have to give the molecule,
Speaker:maybe I could give the wave. Right,
Speaker:right. So if I can give the wave
Speaker:and do the same thing as giving the molecule,
Speaker:boy, that will be a revolution. And I believe that's
Speaker:the revolution that's coming. Yes, I hope so.
Speaker:Yes. Well, I mean, it is, it's happening. And so when you talk about
Speaker:the giving a molecule or giving a wave, would that be the
Speaker:difference in giving someone a pill versus giving
Speaker:them light therapy? Exactly.
Speaker:So that might be the difference between having to give them a pill that
Speaker:has all the issues that a pill is going to have versus
Speaker:giving them a photon of light or a
Speaker:wave of an electron or a
Speaker:sound. Okay. That we know that sound
Speaker:is vibrations and they travel as
Speaker:waves. And when they get down to that tiny structure, they actually
Speaker:I. They're called phonons. So
Speaker:now you've got the phonon world where there's
Speaker:these tiny waves that are vibrating
Speaker:things inside our body. And maybe those. And
Speaker:the thing we know about waves, which is so much fun, is they
Speaker:have the ability to sort of collaborate together
Speaker:or they can interfere with each other and
Speaker:you can kind of put two waves together and
Speaker:you get a new thing A new wave. And
Speaker:it's going to be just so important to begin to
Speaker:learn some of that. And we may be able to,
Speaker:for example, diagnose a person who has
Speaker:a disease, because, okay, right now what we do is we take
Speaker:their blood and see if their blood has
Speaker:maybe some kind of a chemical in it that
Speaker:tips us off about a disease. But all of the
Speaker:reactions along the way to that chemical give
Speaker:off little waves. And so there's little
Speaker:wavelets that are being generated. Yes, Our
Speaker:body generates light. Our body
Speaker:generates waves. Some of them are
Speaker:big waves, and some of them are small waves. And
Speaker:when those waves are in a certain range, we call it light,
Speaker:we call it the photons that we can perceive.
Speaker:But there are longer ones and there are shorter ones. And it's
Speaker:very likely, since we evolved as little
Speaker:critters on this planet that was being
Speaker:bombarded by the sun with the energy from the
Speaker:sun, that's all coming as waves. Okay. That's like pure
Speaker:waveology coming at you. Okay. And very
Speaker:likely the way we evolved is we probably
Speaker:were smart enough to take advantage of that. And it's probably
Speaker:built right into our hard wiring
Speaker:of our system. And if you will, that
Speaker:right now it's kind of invisible to us. Like, we don't see it. But
Speaker:that does not mean that it's not there, that those waves aren't
Speaker:going through us all the time. And in so many ways,
Speaker:we're kind of as much a collection of waves
Speaker:and wavology as we're a collection of chemicals
Speaker:or molecules that we would recognize more and
Speaker:more. You know, at the limits of physics, those two things, they
Speaker:just become kind of interchangeable. And so we have
Speaker:so much to learn and potentially benefit as
Speaker:we open up this area of science.
Speaker:Well, I have to say I'm utterly delighted to
Speaker:hear you describing this. And also, as from someone
Speaker:who works in a hospital who somehow also was open
Speaker:to going down this rabbit hole. That's a new one.
Speaker:So just to pull it out a little more. So if we're.
Speaker:If we're waves, what are the implications of that? You talked
Speaker:about potentially being able to diagnose in a different way than we do now.
Speaker:What could that. What would that potentially look like? It's one of
Speaker:the most exciting things that, like, literally this stuff just keeps me up at
Speaker:night. Okay. Honest. Like, I wouldn't wish
Speaker:my brain on anyone. Why is the universe
Speaker:so exciting? Exactly. It's like. Like here I3 in
Speaker:the morning, and I'm, like, picking up waves. I see them, you know,
Speaker:so so every chemical reaction
Speaker:is driven in one way or another by something that in
Speaker:classical thermodynamics, we call a delta G, a
Speaker:difference in energy. So there's like, one molecule. It's got
Speaker:its energy up here. Another molecule has its energy maybe
Speaker:down here. For if this molecule changes into this molecule,
Speaker:okay, like, glucose would change into
Speaker:from six carbons to two, three carbon things,
Speaker:okay, there's a change in energy. Well, what the
Speaker:physics people have told me, and they said, look, you just
Speaker:can't violate this Lance, whether you like it or not, is that when
Speaker:you do that change, because there's a
Speaker:difference in the total energy of the system.
Speaker:There's a wave that's given off, or there's
Speaker:a wave that has to go into that and be
Speaker:absorbed. Energy has to be absorbed. So
Speaker:energy is either given off or it's absorbed.
Speaker:And that energy is not just like energy.
Speaker:It's got a name, it's got a note, like
Speaker:the notes on a piano. Maybe it's a C or maybe
Speaker:it's a D, or maybe it's an A or an A sharp, right?
Speaker:But it has a wavelength. And we know it comes in a
Speaker:little packet, a quanta. So it's got a
Speaker:wavelength and a quanta. And it means that our chemical
Speaker:reactions that are going on by the billions
Speaker:in our body every second, that each one of those is.
Speaker:They're giving off little bits of energy
Speaker:in the form of waves. And it's not like. It's not like
Speaker:an option. Do you know what I mean? It's not like, well, maybe I'll give
Speaker:it. No, I'll keep the waves inside. No, it's like
Speaker:if you do the reaction, you got to give that off. Like, that's the way
Speaker:physics works, okay? And so that means
Speaker:now those waves are at a really, really low level.
Speaker:And right now, they're invisible to us because they're so low,
Speaker:and there's not a lot of them. But it's very likely that
Speaker:each reaction has its own fingerprint of what
Speaker:waves those are. Because, remember, it's not just
Speaker:energy. It's like. It's a specific
Speaker:fingerprint to that energy made up of
Speaker:this wavelength. And so an example
Speaker:is infrared light. Sort of red light is about
Speaker:660 in terms of its wavelength, all right?
Speaker:Blue light, oh, in the four hundreds. And
Speaker:there's green light, violet
Speaker:light, ultraviolet light. Each reaction
Speaker:has to give off its own fingerprint
Speaker:of a wavelength, if you will, a color,
Speaker:a chord, a note. And if we can
Speaker:identify what those are, we could go back and
Speaker:say, oh, that reaction took place. So
Speaker:I know that if a glucose turns into another
Speaker:molecule that has lower energy, it loses this much
Speaker:energy, it has to give off an energetic
Speaker:packet. Well, what if we could measure that packet?
Speaker:And so that's what physicists attempt to do all the time.
Speaker:They're measuring photons, they're measuring energy.
Speaker:And so as we learn to do that in biology, we
Speaker:could even know very specifically, it's
Speaker:possible that there's one little fingerprint that would just let
Speaker:me know that you have converted a
Speaker:molecule of glucose to 2,
Speaker:3 carbon fragments. Okay, well that would tell
Speaker:me all kinds of things that I can tell from you.
Speaker:And I didn't have to draw any blood, I
Speaker:didn't have to poke you, I didn't have to
Speaker:chop anything out, it's just there. But somehow I
Speaker:do have to sense it. So we're going to need
Speaker:sensors that to be honest, we don't have yet.
Speaker:And so that is part of where I think the world is
Speaker:going to go. And if we develop those sensors, it means that rather than you
Speaker:getting your blood sampled, like maybe we could just sample all of the
Speaker:photons coming out of you and be able to make
Speaker:a pretty good guess in terms of what are the chemical reactions that are taking
Speaker:place in your body. And that would be very powerful.
Speaker:And I think we're going to go to that future. Wow. Yeah. I
Speaker:mean that would completely change the game and non invasive and getting
Speaker:much more detailed live. Because even with
Speaker:blood, by the time you look at it, it's, you know,
Speaker:it's not necessarily the same time has passed.
Speaker:We have to take it somewhere. Right. Or your brain function,
Speaker:right as your brain is
Speaker:undergoing electrical conduction of
Speaker:signals and thoughts and all of those things are going,
Speaker:those are energetics, there must be waves that
Speaker:are kind of associated with that. And you know that there is
Speaker:already a whole field of wavology on the brain
Speaker:called neurology. And there's a thing called an EEG
Speaker:electric encephalogram where you put electrodes on the
Speaker:scalp and you can see the waves that are taking place
Speaker:within the substance of the brain. And we think that
Speaker:those waves reflect sort of
Speaker:large scale electrical conduction,
Speaker:sort of networks of cell working in unison.
Speaker:However, it's likely that there's even smaller information
Speaker:available at the level of the individual
Speaker:reactions that are going on. So great opportunities
Speaker:for getting insight. And I'll say another thing is
Speaker:for the people who are sort of just like maybe
Speaker:thinking about this, oh my goodness, there would be something
Speaker:amazing about measuring the energy as opposed
Speaker:to measuring the level of something. So right now what
Speaker:we do is we mostly our measurements, as you said before, they're
Speaker:like static. They're like call them dead. They're a one
Speaker:time picture. Okay, here's how much glucose
Speaker:you have. But if we get down this rabbit hole
Speaker:a little ways, as opposed to knowing here's how much glucose you
Speaker:have, know that you'll actually know how fast is
Speaker:glucose turning over. So remember that most of our
Speaker:chemicals are like little hamsters on a wheel. They're running
Speaker:around like this in one way or another, meaning they don't just
Speaker:go like this and they don't go like this. They mostly have sort of an
Speaker:equilibrium point. And we think that there are things like
Speaker:diabetes or being septic
Speaker:or having different kinds of conditions
Speaker:where the levels may change, but probably even before
Speaker:that, there are significant changes
Speaker:in the rate of those chemicals
Speaker:being turned over. Okay. And the nice
Speaker:thing about if you measure the photon that comes off, that
Speaker:tells you that a chemical, not just that the chemical was here, it tells you
Speaker:the reaction and how many times that reaction has taken place.
Speaker:We would learn all kinds of things about physiology if we had that kind
Speaker:of insight. Right. And it would be
Speaker:real time and not a snapshot of something that happened.
Speaker:And as the dumb dedicated doctor that I am, like, what
Speaker:I want to do is I want to give you a drug and say, is
Speaker:it helping you or not? Well, this might be the
Speaker:fastest way to actually identify that
Speaker:because very, very quickly you'll see a
Speaker:change in that turnover rate. Okay. Like the
Speaker:throughput. Okay. Did the drug that I gave
Speaker:you to treat your condition, did it help you?
Speaker:Well, if I was like measuring the
Speaker:waves that were coming out, I have a feeling that the answer is
Speaker:there, but that is speculation. I understand.
Speaker:And you know, like, as a responsible scientist, what I really
Speaker:want to do is I want to prove it. Yeah. I want to measure it.
Speaker:And that's the horizon that we're looking at
Speaker:right now. Because now I think we know just enough to be
Speaker:dangerous. Okay. And I've spent a lot of
Speaker:my life just knowing just enough to be dangerous.
Speaker:And it's really important to now do the research,
Speaker:to do the studies, to do the hard work
Speaker:that it takes to quantify it, to prove it, to measure
Speaker:it. And we don't have great devices. We're going to need some
Speaker:new gizmos, we're going to need new equipment, we're going to need new
Speaker:machinery, we're going to need new. Yeah, that was my Next question
Speaker:is, like, does technology need to be able to catch up with the science,
Speaker:with the wave waveology in order to make these things
Speaker:reality? You know, the quick answer is, yes, it does. But I think,
Speaker:like, my guess is we're going to find out that we have the
Speaker:technology, that we've just been kind of lazy, which is
Speaker:we've not applied it to this because maybe we didn't think it. Now,
Speaker:remember this. And I could get some of. That's true.
Speaker:We could build cern. We could probably find a way to measure.
Speaker:That's what I'm saying is like, we. Got the James Webb
Speaker:telescope that can pick up one
Speaker:photon from like a billion light years
Speaker:away. Now, my understanding is that the major
Speaker:component to that telescope
Speaker:is a single photon detector
Speaker:that is a little wafer that can detect
Speaker:one little infrared photon that hits
Speaker:it. Now, there's a lot of fancy stuff that puts it all together
Speaker:because you got to measure for a long, long, long time because there's not that
Speaker:many photons coming from one star. That's a billion light.
Speaker:But, like, we can do that. Imagine if we just turn that
Speaker:telescope around and sort of look inside my brain, you know,
Speaker:assuming that there's something. Yeah, right. Like, let's
Speaker:be around. Okay. Of course,
Speaker:like, that detects one
Speaker:photon at a time. So I don't think
Speaker:it's. That we don't have the technology. I think we just
Speaker:haven't had the imagination and the resources and
Speaker:the drive and the cohesiveness
Speaker:to say this is really, really, really important. Let's get our act together,
Speaker:okay? Let's have a bunch of physicists who
Speaker:made the James Webb get with a bunch of
Speaker:biologists who were trying to measure
Speaker:mitochondria. Let's lock them in
Speaker:a room together until we got
Speaker:it. Until then, figure it out. And that's really what we
Speaker:should do. I totally agree, because. And it, you know, now
Speaker:that you put it that way, it's so true. We have all of this, like,
Speaker:unbelievable equipment, but because there was no
Speaker:paradigm in physics that included biology,
Speaker:we didn't. Nobody thought to use it that way.
Speaker:And now the quantum biologic paradigm is
Speaker:emerging, which is providing a framework, would you say, to
Speaker:give people some common. Ground, come together and remember,
Speaker:look, scientists are my friends. So I can say this. They are very
Speaker:rigid. They are very conservative, okay? They
Speaker:are not necessary. They get very comfortable with what
Speaker:they do. And sometimes they're like, well, I'm just going to keep doing
Speaker:what I do because this other new thing with light out
Speaker:here, like I don't even have the right language for it.
Speaker:Okay? And I don't, like, as a clinician,
Speaker:like, how am I going to talk to my patients about photons or something
Speaker:like this and say, oh, maybe it'd be good for you to try some red
Speaker:light out. Maybe it'd be good for you to get some more sunlight. Maybe it'd
Speaker:be good for you to do some of the things that are looking
Speaker:like they have all kinds of interesting health effects for
Speaker:some people. And I will argue we don't even have a
Speaker:language. And that's always like one of the first things that
Speaker:groups have to do when they come together is they have to like, get a
Speaker:common language so they know what the hell they're talking about.
Speaker:That's true. And I've heard from people who are, you know, I
Speaker:know a lot of citizen researchers or people who work in
Speaker:the wellness space and are just constantly reading papers and
Speaker:they're like, oh, well, I thought there wasn't research on, you know, structured
Speaker:water, but it turns out half the world calls it something else.
Speaker:So I found all this new research I didn't know was there because they call
Speaker:it, they use different terminology, but they're kind of talking about
Speaker:the same thing. That's absolutely correct. And, you know,
Speaker:it takes a little bit of bravery, you know, because,
Speaker:like, I'm a academic, do you know what I mean? Like, like I grew up
Speaker:at the University of Chicago and then I was the University of
Speaker:Pennsylvania and got tenure and stuff. And like, they don't
Speaker:really say, hey, bet your whole career on this,
Speaker:you know, crazy idea. Like what they tell you
Speaker:instead when you're young is they say, look, pick a really
Speaker:kind of safe thing to do because you know
Speaker:what you need to get papers out. You need to get funding for
Speaker:this. There's no funding for photons
Speaker:in biology, okay? Like, nobody is going
Speaker:to give you a nickel probably if you apply to the
Speaker:NIH for funding on this. So. And that's true of
Speaker:every brand new field. That's like, that's true of mitochondrial
Speaker:transplantation, despite the fact that it's already being used in some
Speaker:people with some amazing results. It's been ridiculously
Speaker:hard to get funding. So you've got to have like that first generation
Speaker:of scientists and of people who will work together.
Speaker:And like, I'm going to like jump to our quantum biology forum
Speaker:for just a moment here to say that the reason that
Speaker:we're bringing everyone together is it takes a community to get
Speaker:the ball rolling. Like, we gotta get some stuff together
Speaker:so that it's not for me to talk a young person into making
Speaker:this the focus of their career. I have to be able
Speaker:to look them in the eye and say, you're not
Speaker:endangering your whole ability to have a career
Speaker:in this if you study this area, right? I gotta be serious
Speaker:about that. I like, I gotta be honest about that. And if they look
Speaker:at me and say, well, Jesus, Lance, I'm worried. I'm young and
Speaker:I don't have papers like you have, I'm gonna be brand new, I'm
Speaker:gonna need a job, I'll need to get to a university, I'll need to
Speaker:get some stuff going. Takes a pretty
Speaker:courageous person to overcome that
Speaker:energy hump, to get on the other side of that
Speaker:hill. So what we can do as a community of
Speaker:scientists coming together for the Quantum biology forum
Speaker:is we can bring that energy down, right? We can make
Speaker:it easier so that a young person can say,
Speaker:you know, this is like some of the craziest, most exciting stuff I've ever
Speaker:heard of. I'm gonna go into this field because there's going to
Speaker:be a discovery around every corner. Okay?
Speaker:It's gonna be just like being at the very
Speaker:beginning of discovering there were genes. Okay?
Speaker:Like, can you. Yes. Imagine like in the 50s, they
Speaker:discovered there were genes and they discovered there was DNA
Speaker:and all of a sudden, oh my goodness.
Speaker:Okay, so that's where we are. There's going to be
Speaker:discoveries in every closet. There's going to
Speaker:be a discovery as you walk through this new space. And
Speaker:that's a super exciting time. So there's never been,
Speaker:in my opinion, a more exciting time to go into
Speaker:science like this. This
Speaker:puts the last hundred years to shame. And let me
Speaker:tell you, the last hundred years have seen
Speaker:scientific breakthrough after scientific breakthrough,
Speaker:Amazing leaps and bounds and increases in
Speaker:longevity and people living to be 90 and
Speaker:100 and like, it's not even noteworthy anymore
Speaker:when 200 years ago, people lived to be 40.
Speaker:Okay, so like, we have made some
Speaker:leaps and bounds here, but this may be
Speaker:even more than all of those. It's truly
Speaker:astonishing. It is a wild and amazing time to be alive. And
Speaker:I don't know, I sometimes I meet people and they're like, oh, this is
Speaker:happening and that's happening. And I'm like, is it? All I know is
Speaker:there is so much cool stuff going on and so many people focused on
Speaker:such like, unbelievably mind blowing,
Speaker:paradigm changing ideas. And you
Speaker:know, you mentioned sunlight and red light therapy. You know, we have
Speaker:a Nonprofit for practitioners. And all we do is, like,
Speaker:translate the research into practical steps.
Speaker:Low risk. We don't want to be dangerous. Not rolling out
Speaker:anything, but, you know, spending more time outside and
Speaker:considering the. You know, helping
Speaker:practitioners and to consider the
Speaker:idea that the environment that their clients
Speaker:and patients are. Is in, like, a wave
Speaker:communication with their bodies. And so
Speaker:if that's true, and let's just. So there we're like, okay, well, let's just
Speaker:pretend it is. Like, what then? How would we proceed? I mean,
Speaker:I think this is a wonderful space for us to
Speaker:explore. And there's even. Because I'm sort of part of
Speaker:this kind of motley crew of quantum
Speaker:biology interested people. And we
Speaker:communicate. There's just some amazing stuff. Like, there's a
Speaker:new phrase being termed
Speaker:infrared malnutrition. Now, who would have
Speaker:thought, like. Like, if I had ever said that, like,
Speaker:I learned about that months ago. Months ago. So
Speaker:this is pretty out there, you know. But who would have thought
Speaker:that maybe in our built environment where we live
Speaker:under, like, one set of lighting a lot and
Speaker:we kind of like a cave almost, and we're not outside.
Speaker:Who would have thought that maybe we're a little
Speaker:malnourished from the
Speaker:wavelengths that we're not getting. And so maybe we
Speaker:either need to get out more or supplement that. So there's all kinds of
Speaker:wonderful information coming out on the near infrared
Speaker:and what it can do for healing and what it can do for
Speaker:energy generation, what it can do for mitochondrial function. It's
Speaker:been shown to have some kind of an effect. And remember,
Speaker:because we're talking about the old wave, that's some kind of quantum
Speaker:biology, okay? There is information out
Speaker:there that certain wavelengths of green light
Speaker:can go into your brain. And it can, like,
Speaker:reproduce almost the sensation of
Speaker:an anesthetic of a. It reduces your pain
Speaker:perception. Like, really, green light
Speaker:might be something that people could use to.
Speaker:To attenuate pain. Now, that's
Speaker:crazy. And there's even evidence that
Speaker:ultraviolet light. So that's a little bit
Speaker:smaller wavelength, which means it's higher energy. It has the
Speaker:ability to beat up your cells, smack a
Speaker:cell membrane and bust. Like, ultraviolet can,
Speaker:like, bang your molecules apart because it has enough energy
Speaker:to cause some damage even. But there's even evidence
Speaker:that people who get some limited exposure
Speaker:to that and keep it within reasonable amounts. Like what you would
Speaker:get out walking around, for example, without a sunscreen,
Speaker:okay. That their blood pressure is
Speaker:lower when they're exposed to that kind of an
Speaker:energy. And there are higher
Speaker:rates of blood pressure in individuals who never see the sun
Speaker:compared to people who see the sun. And think of what blood
Speaker:pressure does to our cardiovascular health and our brain health
Speaker:and all of our metabolic health. So, you know, we're just
Speaker:beginning to see, you know, be like
Speaker:photons to see some of that. But here's what we don't know yet,
Speaker:even with this very interesting information. Like, we don't know, like,
Speaker:well, what's the dosage? Like, how much do you need?
Speaker:And so remember I talked about that. We don't even have a
Speaker:language. Honestly, I don't even know if I'm smart enough
Speaker:to know if somebody said, lance, you need some more infrared. And I
Speaker:said, well, how much do I need? Like, what would the dosage of
Speaker:that infrared be? Is it like, because it's not
Speaker:time, it's not like you need 15 minutes, there's an actual number
Speaker:of photons per second per square centimeter
Speaker:of skin that has to go into your body at a certain
Speaker:wavelength. Okay? And, and so
Speaker:we have a ton to figure out. And just think
Speaker:of all this fun research that we can be doing
Speaker:on some of these things. And you know, I think like, one of the
Speaker:biggest questions for the general public is like, well, does
Speaker:this seem like a valuable thing to maybe learn about? And
Speaker:I kind of think this is a really important thing for us to learn about.
Speaker:And so hopefully we will use the next few
Speaker:years to bring a community together. And we're
Speaker:trying to build this community through the quantum biology
Speaker:forum, not just with one phenotype. By that I mean
Speaker:one kind of a person, right? It's not just a scientist, like,
Speaker:hey, we need some patients to be part of this community.
Speaker:And if you go to our website, you're going to see a very important patient
Speaker:talking about his own disease, his experience,
Speaker:and that has gotten many, many, many views because he is a very
Speaker:well known actor who has ALS and he's embarking
Speaker:with some quantum medicine. So he'll be there,
Speaker:got patients, you got people that give out money, got to have scientists there,
Speaker:got to have clinicians there, you got to have policymakers there, got to have some
Speaker:politicians there, you got to have the people that can make
Speaker:the whole thing move faster, working
Speaker:together, because we have such an opportunity to pick up the
Speaker:pace, okay? So what I want to do is I want to pick
Speaker:up the pace, okay, of discovery,
Speaker:of the ability to do things. We got to pick up the
Speaker:pace, okay? And I have no doubt, like,
Speaker:like in an infinite amount of time, we'll figure it all out. You know what
Speaker:I mean, but the difference between figuring out something
Speaker:in a hundred years compared to figuring out in the next
Speaker:five years is very possible to change
Speaker:that kind of a slope. If we work cohesively
Speaker:together, if we collaborate, and if we build the kind
Speaker:of community that will support that. Oh, Lance, I'm going to cry.
Speaker:Don't do that. No, it's just
Speaker:so. This is weird, but this is just so thrilling
Speaker:to me that you're doing this and that this ecosystem is coming
Speaker:together, that you're recognizing all that you need to weave
Speaker:in all of the different areas. It's not going to just come
Speaker:from an academic silo, which is, you know, I
Speaker:held back from doing interviews with the hardcore scientists. I'm like, oh, who am
Speaker:I? And then I realized, you know, we need people to build that bridge
Speaker:out into all of those different areas if this paradigm shift
Speaker:is truly going to get traction. Right. I have for
Speaker:my whole career even going. And, you know, I started with CPR
Speaker:and better CPR and defibrillators. That's why they're in airports.
Speaker:That was a study that my colleagues, I did
Speaker:so many years ago. And I get the rewards because people actually write
Speaker:me letters. Thank you. You saved my uncle's life because
Speaker:of this defibrillator you put in that is a heart restarter. But
Speaker:the, to do that, it took a community. It wasn't like one
Speaker:person. It just, it doesn't work. It's not a university.
Speaker:And think about just those kinds of things. So who? So, like,
Speaker:the really good question is like, who do we need in the room to make
Speaker:it happen? Who do we. Yeah, I want to get the
Speaker:people in the room and make it happen. Okay. And so if we
Speaker:get the right people in the room, we can make it happen. But
Speaker:it means, yeah, there's going to have to be some, you know, bald headed
Speaker:scientists like me. They're, they're skeptical and
Speaker:hardcore and, you know, but guess what? We're going to need
Speaker:some companies. I haven't seen hardly anything
Speaker:get out to the bedside to get into a patient unless there was some
Speaker:company that had the wherewithal to make it into a thing.
Speaker:Okay. Because if I make the device, it'll look like
Speaker:Frankenstein. Okay. Whereas if a good
Speaker:company makes it, it'll be something that people can use. They take it right
Speaker:to the bedside and shine this new beam on this person and
Speaker:fix their dementia or their stroke
Speaker:or their ALS or their
Speaker:cardiovascular disease. Like that is what we're talking
Speaker:about doing. Okay. But it's going to, we got to get
Speaker:a lot of people in the room for that. Okay. So there's got to be
Speaker:the devices. Well, if you've got the scientists and now you've got the
Speaker:devices, well, who else do you need? Guess what? You need a bunch of physicists
Speaker:on this one. Okay. Yeah. And just like I'm
Speaker:a biological scientist, like, the physicists will hardly even talk
Speaker:to me about this now. What's happened in the last few
Speaker:years is it's beginning to really open up. The physicists
Speaker:in the year 2022. So that's like four years
Speaker:ago, they all met and they decided there was a new
Speaker:area of physics, unbeknownst to the rest of us. And
Speaker:it was called biological physics. And that is
Speaker:now as legitimate an area to study as nuclear
Speaker:physics or particle physics. Physics. And
Speaker:fantastic. It is a new thing that a
Speaker:physicist can go into. So the physics people
Speaker:have recognized that biological physics is
Speaker:quantum biology. Okay. Okay. That's what it is.
Speaker:All right. Okay. So tell me just a
Speaker:little more about the forum you have. Did you
Speaker:just sort of call up people and ask them to come speak? I know you're
Speaker:also accepting applications. People to present.
Speaker:Nick Lane is presenting, and Martin Picard and
Speaker:Eric Dane, the actor is coming. So
Speaker:was that you just like pulling it together and.
Speaker:No, no, no. So first, I have to give a lot of credit
Speaker:to my organization, Northwell Health,
Speaker:looking at every possible way we can help
Speaker:people's health. And there's no question that to have something so
Speaker:big and so bold of a future that
Speaker:major healthcare organizations are going to have to move into this
Speaker:and at least be aware of it. And so we. We're
Speaker:hosting this because we think it's going to help humanity. But
Speaker:assisting us is United Therapeutics. That's a
Speaker:drug company. It's not a typical drug company. Was started
Speaker:by an amazing pioneer
Speaker:whose TED talks are inspirational. Her name is
Speaker:Martine Rothblatt. She has her own
Speaker:amazing story, but she was really the
Speaker:person who stepped up and said, we need to have a meeting on
Speaker:this. And this first meeting will actually be at the United
Speaker:Therapeutics headquarters where they've got the world's largest building
Speaker:that is net carbon neutral. Martine
Speaker:Rothblatt, that's. Dr. Rothblatt is an engineer
Speaker:herself. Okay. And is an energy
Speaker:wonk. Okay. Like me. And
Speaker:she kind of got her start in satellite. So
Speaker:sending a message from here to here
Speaker:makes sense to a satellite
Speaker:engineer. So when we talked about the
Speaker:fact that I believe that our mitochondria deep
Speaker:inside us send a message from here
Speaker:out to here, where it's received.
Speaker:She had the open mindedness and
Speaker:foresight to say this is too important for us to
Speaker:not talk about. It's too important for us to not
Speaker:meet about. And so Northwell and United
Speaker:Therapeutics are doing this together. We're joined by the Guy
Speaker:foundation out of Europe. And the Guy
Speaker:foundation has been on this story for at least
Speaker:I'd say seven years. They are ahead of
Speaker:me, they're ahead of most of us. They're thinking about this and
Speaker:they're a full participant in this. Oh, Fantastic. Their
Speaker:founder, Dr. Jeffrey Guy will
Speaker:be one of our keynote speakers at the conference
Speaker:as well. And so there's a community. It's like
Speaker:starting. It's coming, coming. I can feel
Speaker:it, you know, it sure is. Okay. It's like
Speaker:sort of think of that we think of our senses. You know,
Speaker:it's like I think I feel the vibrations from it coming.
Speaker:You know what I mean? I think I see the, at least the
Speaker:smoke starting. Maybe not flames yet, but it's coming,
Speaker:it's coming. And so, you know, this is going to be the
Speaker:inaugural meeting of this group. It'll be a small, intimate
Speaker:group, but we invite anybody that wants to. I was going to say is it
Speaker:open? I saw on the website there's a short application. Is
Speaker:that just open to anyone who'd like to attend or is it for
Speaker:medical professionals? Or how is this. It is open to anybody. But
Speaker:here's the thing is we don't have seats for everybody. I'm just being straight up
Speaker:about that. Okay. Like we have limited number of seats kind of
Speaker:intentionally for this first meeting because we kind of feel like
Speaker:we all need to start the community. We need to get
Speaker:the process going. We will do future
Speaker:forums that will be, have the ability to take
Speaker:hundreds, thousands of people. All right. But you
Speaker:got to start kind of the right way
Speaker:and focused, Titan focused. Got to be focused.
Speaker:And we have to build a community that doesn't exist yet.
Speaker:We have to get people to talk with one another who don't
Speaker:normally talk. So we're bringing in physicists and, and
Speaker:biological scientists and mitochondrial scientists and
Speaker:engineers and patients and
Speaker:policymakers and funders and. Just blowing up all
Speaker:the silos. Lance, that's, that's all
Speaker:these brilliant minds are spilling out into the quantum biology
Speaker:forum. Yep. So, you know, it's going to take a little while to get
Speaker:everything to build that momentum. And so the first
Speaker:meeting will be a landmark because it'll be the first time that the group has
Speaker:come together and it'll be fabulous. Fun. I can't
Speaker:wait to hear some of the speakers you mentioned. Some of them.
Speaker:Doug Wallace, who essentially discovered mitochondrial
Speaker:is going to be there. And Nick Lane who's thinking about how did life
Speaker:start on the planet? And Nerosha mirror again, who's thinking about
Speaker:the brain that gives off photons. And Martin Picard who's
Speaker:thinking about autism and mental kinds
Speaker:of disorders and psychology and what that has to do
Speaker:with energetics of the body. And that's just to name
Speaker:a few. And yes, we've got the, I'll say a number of people who are
Speaker:into light and the effect of photons in terms
Speaker:of what they can do to physiology. And so we're
Speaker:like it just like. I can't wait. And this is the kind of
Speaker:group that if we do it right, I believe
Speaker:this kind of group can create a new
Speaker:momentum for the world and that momentum
Speaker:can start to accelerate our ability to
Speaker:build new knowledge, to figure out stuff,
Speaker:to make discoveries and to do it faster
Speaker:and to do it better and to do it faster.
Speaker:And that's really what the world needs. Yeah, well,
Speaker:it's super exciting. And I will also tell you there is like a
Speaker:grassroots movement of non scientist
Speaker:citizens who are going to be really excited about this as well.
Speaker:There's. Well, I know you guys are building up the high level
Speaker:infrastructure and there's actually quite a lot of us on the ground
Speaker:who are sort of waiting and some maybe had
Speaker:given up hope that this shift would happen, you know, at the
Speaker:institutional level. So we are all here. CHEERING
Speaker:CHEERING CHEERING here's the thing is. This is the wrong time to give up hope.
Speaker:Don't, don't even go that way. Don't go to the darkness,
Speaker:my friends. Go to the light. Go to the light. Well,
Speaker:light, it's. Yes, because this is just
Speaker:truly exciting. And just to wrap up, I'd love to hear.
Speaker:So you had a traditional medical training. Thank you
Speaker:for the defibrillators, by the way. Last summer on the beach
Speaker:had my training on the AED and the lifeguard
Speaker:hut. So we're all ready to go. That's a major.
Speaker:Everyone should know how to do that and know how to do cpr. And then
Speaker:now we'll talk about quantum biology. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker:So coming from traditional medical school, you
Speaker:are, you know, you have the gift of curiosity and an open
Speaker:mind and following where the evidence is leading. What are some of
Speaker:the things that you now understand to be true
Speaker:that were most surprising, even speculative things compared to
Speaker:what you were taught traditionally? So you already Talked about the
Speaker:mitochondria moving around the mitochondria communicating
Speaker:with the environment. Like, was any of that
Speaker:on your radar before? No, I mean, just this
Speaker:was all like, there's a lot we don't know about the world.
Speaker:So I think the most important thing is, like, remain humble, you
Speaker:know, like, you might think you know a lot, but there's more.
Speaker:There's more out there. I promise you there's more. And
Speaker:so we can get a hold of some of that. And, you know, I think
Speaker:one of the most amazing things that I learned about mitochondria is that you could
Speaker:intentionally transplant them. Like, I now could give
Speaker:you mitochondria to fix potentially an issue
Speaker:that's a whole field. And that field is just taking off as
Speaker:we speak. Now the next step
Speaker:is to understand kind of what
Speaker:those mitochondria are doing in terms of their quantum
Speaker:biology. So we're actually going to be talking about mitochondria as the, as your
Speaker:little quantum organelle. Now, I don't even know if that's true,
Speaker:okay? But it is true that your mitochondria
Speaker:cycle the most energy of any spot in your
Speaker:body. Okay? So they are cycling energy
Speaker:like crazy, which is to say they are producing a high energy molecule
Speaker:and it gets used up and another high energy and another high energy.
Speaker:All of that's. So that's why they are sort of the
Speaker:prototypic quantum organelle. And so
Speaker:we'll be talking about them because they're a great model. So this is a great
Speaker:time for us to learn how does a quantum organelle
Speaker:organize itself? How does it protect itself from
Speaker:too much energy? And how does it put itself together
Speaker:so that the waves, the
Speaker:electrons, the particles, the little
Speaker:charged protons that have little waves as well,
Speaker:like, how do they stay in the right place? How do they know when to
Speaker:go here? How do they know how to go here? All of that
Speaker:makes them like an ideal. You know, as a scientist, I want a
Speaker:model that I can study. Okay? So they're pretty
Speaker:remarkable in that way. And they are going to be this huge
Speaker:therapeutic breakthrough, I think, probably in the next decade.
Speaker:And then as we learn more about what is the actual
Speaker:opportunity for the. Just the energetic side of that
Speaker:equation. So let's appreciate all the wonderful
Speaker:molecules that we learned in biochemistry. Okay?
Speaker:The Krebs cycle, you know, is everybody. It's the Krebs
Speaker:cycle at the middle, at the heart of biochemistry, those are all molecules.
Speaker:Boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing. But remember, each one of those Molecules
Speaker:has some sort of a wave, some sort of an energy
Speaker:associated with it. And we have not figured that out.
Speaker:So what is going to be, if you will, the Krebs cycle?
Speaker:Like, right? Everybody learned that awful thing that you had to learn in
Speaker:biochemistry when you memorized all of those molecules.
Speaker:There's going to be an energetic Krebs cycle
Speaker:too, right, with waves. And maybe
Speaker:they work together, okay?
Speaker:Maybe some of them cancel each other out
Speaker:and diminish it. Maybe they
Speaker:activate other parts of the
Speaker:cell, maybe the mitochondria as it's sitting there
Speaker:spitting out photons, which it does all the time, as
Speaker:that mitochondria is sending those signals out. Who are you going to
Speaker:call? Okay, maybe this one goes to the
Speaker:nucleus and I'm going to call for a new building
Speaker:block, a new protein to be made. Maybe this
Speaker:one is going out to the cell membrane to say,
Speaker:hey, let that molecule out. Let this other
Speaker:molecule in. Open up a channel for me
Speaker:over here. It's very likely that those
Speaker:things are happening inside us all the
Speaker:time. And as we unravel that, I mean,
Speaker:that's going to be big. It's going to change everything. I
Speaker:think so. Dr. Becker, thank you so much for being here today.
Speaker:This was delightful. And thank you for the work that you're
Speaker:doing, for transferring all the skills that you learned
Speaker:rolling out defibrillators in the airport to creating a
Speaker:quantum biology infrastructure. Well done. And well,
Speaker:listen, I want to. No, I want to thank you and say something that is
Speaker:maybe the most important, which is that none of this works.
Speaker:If we don't have people in the community that kind of understand
Speaker:what we're doing and why it's important and where we're going, and
Speaker:sometimes the bald headed scientists and whatnot, and
Speaker:even the non bald headed scientists, sometimes
Speaker:we don't do a good job explaining what we're really after,
Speaker:what the meaning is, what the impact is going to be like. We are guilty
Speaker:in as a field of not doing a great
Speaker:job of communicating and sometimes we can't even
Speaker:communicate with the guy in the next lab from us,
Speaker:okay? So we are not strong on
Speaker:communication, despite what anybody might say, okay? And
Speaker:that's where, Meredith, you come in and that's where members of your
Speaker:community can come in. Because first they
Speaker:can continue to follow. This story is like, you know, watch this
Speaker:space, okay? It's going to be exciting. Watch this space.
Speaker:But they can tell the story. They can talk to
Speaker:people who have influence to say, hey, look, like
Speaker:maybe half of what Dr. Becker is saying is not true. But let's figure out
Speaker:which half is right and which half is wrong. Let's do the research and
Speaker:figure it out. We can do that. We can do that not just in our
Speaker:lifetime, we can do that in several years if we all work
Speaker:together at it. And if we don't do it, think
Speaker:of how much we give away. Think of what our loss
Speaker:is. So you provide such an important
Speaker:voice so that everybody can understand how important
Speaker:this is and will hopefully be open
Speaker:minded to the notion that this is worth
Speaker:investigating. This is like why research
Speaker:has value to our country and to our
Speaker:world. And that at a time when
Speaker:some of those values are under attack, when
Speaker:good science and truth is under attack,
Speaker:it's really important that we have voices that
Speaker:tell everyone how valuable
Speaker:research is to the world and how valuable it could be
Speaker:to the future of the world, to our children,
Speaker:to our grandchildren and beyond.
Speaker:Indeed. Thank you. So thank you for
Speaker:what you do, Meredith. It's every bit as important as what the rest
Speaker:of us are doing. Well, I don't know, but I very, very
Speaker:much appreciate you saying that. Thank you so much, Lance.
