Discover how Spanish teacher David Rice transformed his classroom with Comprehensible Input (CI) and made proficiency feel achievable for every student.
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Good morning, everybody.
Speaker:Welcome to the CI podcast,
Speaker:the Comprehend This podcast.
Speaker:We're doing CI Stories this morning and
Speaker:we have a wonderful guest today.
Speaker:So let's go ahead and get started.
Speaker:So today's CI Story is a good one. Our
Speaker:guest is David Rice,
Speaker:the Spanish Teacher Department Chair and
Speaker:once upon a time, full
Speaker:blown textbook warrior.
Speaker:That's right. He was marching through
Speaker:chapter three vocab
Speaker:lists like the rest of us.
Speaker:Until he realized it just
Speaker:wasn't working. So what did he do?
Speaker:He tossed a textbook grab, laying Ray's
Speaker:TPRS playbook and never looked back.
Speaker:Fast forward a few years and not only has
Speaker:he transformed his own
Speaker:classroom into a joyful,
Speaker:proficiency focused space, but he's also
Speaker:convinced his department and now even his
Speaker:district to embrace CI.
Speaker:Basically, David went from textbook
Speaker:zombie to CI superhero.
Speaker:And today he's sharing his story, his
Speaker:stumbles and his strategies with us.
Speaker:Stick around because this conversation is
Speaker:equal parts inspiring, relatable and
Speaker:let's be honest, a little funny too.
Speaker:We'll be right back
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Speaker:Welcome to comprehend this real talk for
Speaker:real language teachers.
Speaker:No drills, no dry theory, just honest
Speaker:stories, practical ideas and a reminder
Speaker:you're not alone in the CI trenches.
Speaker:Let's dive in.
Speaker:Welcome, welcome, Mr. David Rice. How are
Speaker:we doing this morning?
Speaker:Doing good. How are you doing?
Speaker:I'm doing excellent for a Sunday morning.
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:Give us a little bit about...
Speaker:I got joined by my
Speaker:cats. I don't know why.
Speaker:I just cut my door. I have two dogs and
Speaker:they'll bark, bark, bark.
Speaker:So I cut my door on them.
Speaker:Tell us a little bit about yourself that
Speaker:I haven't already talked about in that
Speaker:little intro just to get so people get to
Speaker:know you a little bit.
Speaker:OK, my name is David Rice, obviously.
Speaker:I am a Spanish teacher in Memphis, Shelby
Speaker:County Schools in Tennessee.
Speaker:I've been teaching forever.
Speaker:And as Scott said, I was a textbook
Speaker:teacher and now I'm a full
Speaker:blown TPRS CI teacher now.
Speaker:So it's a bit of a journey.
Speaker:I'm a US Army
Speaker:veteran, served in Iraq, etc.
Speaker:Well, thank you for your
Speaker:service. We appreciate that.
Speaker:No problem.
Speaker:So tell us what your teaching looked like
Speaker:before you went to CI.
Speaker:So people...we have a lot of people on
Speaker:here who are textbook teachers who are
Speaker:thinking about transitioning.
Speaker:We've got textbook teachers who are
Speaker:dabbling in transitioning.
Speaker:We got textbook teachers who want to
Speaker:transition over but are terrified.
Speaker:So let us know where you started from so
Speaker:they can kind of get a little...feel a
Speaker:little relatable there.
Speaker:So when I graduated college and I got my
Speaker:first teaching job at Texas High School
Speaker:in Texarkana, Texas,
Speaker:I went in and the textbook of choice at
Speaker:that school at the time was Realidades.
Speaker:And so all my training prior to getting a
Speaker:job at Texas High was, you know, my
Speaker:mentor teachers and my textbook teachers.
Speaker:And I didn't know
Speaker:what CI was at the time.
Speaker:I didn't know there was anything.
Speaker:And turn to page three and
Speaker:let's do a little vocabulary.
Speaker:Go to page four, let's do the same thing.
Speaker:Give it eternity and get a grade degree.
Speaker:And so and so forth.
Speaker:So that was the world.
Speaker:And there was...you know, I remember when
Speaker:I was setting up my
Speaker:classroom, there in the classroom,
Speaker:there was that little green book that
Speaker:Blaine Ray wrote, Blaine
Speaker:Ray and Conti Sinne wrote,
Speaker:Fluency through TPR, TPR Storyteller.
Speaker:Now I'd heard something about TPR as
Speaker:total physical response
Speaker:and that was all I'd heard.
Speaker:And but that was my mentor teachers
Speaker:didn't know anything about it.
Speaker:The teachers in the department at Texas
Speaker:High didn't know anything about it.
Speaker:So, you know, it wasn't ever mentioned.
Speaker:So, so, yeah, that happened.
Speaker:Then the army needed my services again.
Speaker:So I had to go back
Speaker:and we gave up that job.
Speaker:That was there for
Speaker:about a year in Texas High.
Speaker:But yeah, and back to
Speaker:that little green book.
Speaker:The little green book
Speaker:was in the classroom.
Speaker:And I remember looking at it, flipping
Speaker:the pages and like, okay, I can't set it
Speaker:down because I'm a textbook teacher.
Speaker:And so I did another year service with
Speaker:the U.S. Army, came back and they'd
Speaker:already hired somebody in
Speaker:the position at Texas High,
Speaker:which, you know, I understand that the
Speaker:job safety measures that we
Speaker:have in place and all that.
Speaker:So we did because there was a job
Speaker:position over in Arkansas High, which is
Speaker:right across the border for two miles
Speaker:because the texture can is in Twin City.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:So I went across the border, started
Speaker:teaching at Arkansas High.
Speaker:Arkansas High was also a textbook school.
Speaker:And I taught there and I
Speaker:taught there for about 10 years.
Speaker:And like, as I was saying in our
Speaker:pre-interview, you know, I taught that
Speaker:book so much that I
Speaker:have pages written right,
Speaker:that I can tell you where this is at in
Speaker:this book, where this particular word is,
Speaker:what, you know, what section, what page,
Speaker:what column right or left.
Speaker:And then I left Arkansas High and I went
Speaker:back to Texas and I taught at a small
Speaker:school called D-CAB,
Speaker:D-CAB High School,
Speaker:Independent School District.
Speaker:And it was also a textbook school.
Speaker:So I'm like in my element, textbook, yay.
Speaker:But it really wasn't working.
Speaker:It's like, you could tell that the kids
Speaker:were like, oh, my God, we're going to go
Speaker:to this page, memorize this vocabulary,
Speaker:do the activity, data, data.
Speaker:And honestly, the kids weren't really
Speaker:learning, I don't think, you know, they
Speaker:were learning, but they
Speaker:were just rote memorization.
Speaker:And so every school that I went to, that
Speaker:little green book by Blaine Ray was at,
Speaker:somebody somewhere had went to one of his
Speaker:things and picked up a copy.
Speaker:But I don't know if they did anything
Speaker:with it, but they left it
Speaker:there in that classroom.
Speaker:And so it was at D-CAB.
Speaker:And then I was looking for
Speaker:improvement and more salary.
Speaker:Honestly, I was looking for more money,
Speaker:as every teacher does.
Speaker:We try to find those
Speaker:opportunities to make more money.
Speaker:And so there's a position in Memphis that
Speaker:paid considerably more.
Speaker:And so I was like, you
Speaker:know what, let me go for it.
Speaker:And so I interviewed and I got a job in
Speaker:2018 in Memphis at Cordova
Speaker:High School, where I am now.
Speaker:When I got to Cordova, I discovered
Speaker:really quickly that Memphis Shelby County
Speaker:School District, we are a CI
Speaker:district, not TPRS, but CI.
Speaker:And so as well as they
Speaker:understand what CI is.
Speaker:And so there was a lot of me for that
Speaker:first year at Cordova High School in
Speaker:Memphis that I'm playing, teach Spanish
Speaker:by the seat of my pants
Speaker:because I don't have resources.
Speaker:I don't have a textbook to refer to.
Speaker:Now, we do have a curriculum guide here
Speaker:in Memphis Shelby County Schools that
Speaker:says it's divided into four units.
Speaker:Unit one, unit two, etc., etc.
Speaker:And specifically things that they want
Speaker:level one students to
Speaker:learn, level two, three, four.
Speaker:And they do this curriculum guide for all
Speaker:the languages taught in the district.
Speaker:Everything from Spanish to Arabic and
Speaker:Chinese and German and French.
Speaker:And I'm trying to remember the other
Speaker:languages that are taught.
Speaker:There's several languages taught, at
Speaker:least commonly taught languages.
Speaker:But so it's a blanket curriculum guide.
Speaker:And so you as a teacher, you get it and
Speaker:you have to figure out like what language
Speaker:do I need, what words and phrases and all
Speaker:that do I need to teach to be able to,
Speaker:you know, make them happy at the district
Speaker:level that I'm teaching the curriculum.
Speaker:And so that first year that I'm teaching
Speaker:via the curriculum guide.
Speaker:And there's a lot of
Speaker:support in the district.
Speaker:There was a lot of
Speaker:support from the advisor.
Speaker:Her name was Jane Davis at the time.
Speaker:She's not going with us.
Speaker:She since retired.
Speaker:My department, I was I was just a teacher
Speaker:at the time and I had a
Speaker:lot of support from them.
Speaker:They were great ladies and
Speaker:they are still great ladies.
Speaker:And but, you know, it was it was still a
Speaker:bit miserable because I'm trying to make,
Speaker:you know, I'm trying to make it work and
Speaker:teach without a textbook.
Speaker:And I had my first evaluation, which I
Speaker:did not understand the system
Speaker:that we use here in Tennessee.
Speaker:And I didn't score very well on it.
Speaker:And that bothered me because there's a
Speaker:competitive side to me.
Speaker:I want to be I want
Speaker:to be a great teacher.
Speaker:I want to be the best
Speaker:possible teacher for my students.
Speaker:And and so I didn't like that.
Speaker:And then over the course of that year,
Speaker:had a few more evaluations.
Speaker:They were mediocre at best.
Speaker:And so finally, spring break gets here.
Speaker:And right before spring
Speaker:break, we do we do the portfolio.
Speaker:And the portfolio is where a selection of
Speaker:of 12 of our students are chosen to
Speaker:demonstrate their their speaking, their
Speaker:reading, their writing and their
Speaker:reflection piece on how, you know,
Speaker:how well they understand the language.
Speaker:And so I submitted that and had to wait
Speaker:for the results to come that summer.
Speaker:But then we went to spring break and over
Speaker:spring break, I decided because, you
Speaker:know, Blaine Ray's little
Speaker:green book is in that classroom.
Speaker:You know, it has it's there.
Speaker:It's there.
Speaker:I mean, that book has followed me.
Speaker:It's I'm trying to, you know, it's like
Speaker:it's just right there.
Speaker:It's always in every
Speaker:classroom that I've ever taught in.
Speaker:I pick it up, I look at it's cute.
Speaker:And I said about that down.
Speaker:Well, that's spring break.
Speaker:I said, you know what?
Speaker:Let me take this sucker home and read
Speaker:because I got to
Speaker:figure out something out.
Speaker:I got to make a change.
Speaker:It's not working.
Speaker:And I've done move my family from from
Speaker:Southwest Arkansas and Northeast Texas
Speaker:all the way to Memphis.
Speaker:I've got to do something.
Speaker:And and because I want to,
Speaker:you know, it's a good job.
Speaker:It's a great place to be.
Speaker:And I read the book.
Speaker:I said, you know what?
Speaker:Let me try.
Speaker:So I went on the TPR books.
Speaker:I watched some videos online on YouTube.
Speaker:I would be our books.
Speaker:I got their first.
Speaker:I got the resources there.
Speaker:I got, you know, the
Speaker:Spanish one resources.
Speaker:I got the CD and
Speaker:download the the PowerPoints.
Speaker:And, you know, and it's great.
Speaker:The system that Blaine Ray and Craig
Speaker:Craig, she high and all them and Von Ray
Speaker:created that there was all those
Speaker:resources as a support resources.
Speaker:And so we came back from spring break and
Speaker:I looked at my kids and I said, OK, yeah.
Speaker:So welcome back from spring break.
Speaker:And I told him, I said, y'all, my
Speaker:philosophy is this fourth quarter, you
Speaker:know, we just got to make it till May
Speaker:31st and we're out for the summer.
Speaker:So I like to use fourth quarter as my
Speaker:experimentation quarter.
Speaker:I like to see, you know, let's let's try
Speaker:something different.
Speaker:So I want to teach via a story and I want
Speaker:to teach you a story.
Speaker:And I did, you know,
Speaker:I did all the buy ins.
Speaker:I did everything I went.
Speaker:I found as many resources to help me
Speaker:understand the process.
Speaker:And so I started teaching and midway
Speaker:through the story and I started teaching
Speaker:that very, very first story, George,
Speaker:George, George, George, George,
Speaker:George, I did it in the past tense.
Speaker:George wants to want to Coca-Cola.
Speaker:And so I started teaching it.
Speaker:And midway through the story, my kids
Speaker:were a little bit annoyed.
Speaker:And they were like,
Speaker:they were like, Profe.
Speaker:Why haven't you been
Speaker:doing this this whole time?
Speaker:This is we understand that this is easy.
Speaker:We like this.
Speaker:I'm like, I didn't know how.
Speaker:And so and I was honest because my kids,
Speaker:if you teach, if you're a teacher and you
Speaker:teach in Memphis, you know
Speaker:that Memphis kids are different.
Speaker:The kids around the nation, I believe, in
Speaker:that they can spot a fake a mile away and
Speaker:and they will call you out on it.
Speaker:And I didn't know how and I didn't want
Speaker:to be fake with you guys.
Speaker:And so they enjoyed
Speaker:it and I kept doing it.
Speaker:And the biggest grouch that the kids had
Speaker:in the story that George wanted to
Speaker:Coca-Cola and they couldn't figure out
Speaker:why this boy wanted to Coca-Cola.
Speaker:And it opened up the avenue to introduce
Speaker:different vocabulary and different ideas.
Speaker:And for example, we had George wanted
Speaker:Coca-Cola because there was absolutely
Speaker:nothing in the entire
Speaker:state of California to drink.
Speaker:There was a drought and
Speaker:they enjoyed that element.
Speaker:And the kids were we were
Speaker:co-creating the story together.
Speaker:We would get to a
Speaker:point and kids like why?
Speaker:And I said, tell me,
Speaker:you'll give me an idea.
Speaker:And so they gave me an idea.
Speaker:And and so we'd add it to the story and
Speaker:eventually that George story over the
Speaker:course of that, you know, that quarter
Speaker:became huge, became long.
Speaker:And and and the kids were getting it and
Speaker:they were speaking back.
Speaker:And then we do like retails.
Speaker:I would retell the story and just ask
Speaker:them to close their eyes and listen to me
Speaker:retell the story to ask.
Speaker:And then, you know, I do a five finger
Speaker:check, you know, five
Speaker:fingers if you totally got it.
Speaker:One finger.
Speaker:I'm very, very frustrated.
Speaker:I'm not getting it, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker:Three.
Speaker:I could do it with help.
Speaker:And so there was a
Speaker:lot of threes and fours.
Speaker:There's a couple of fives not.
Speaker:And there were I think
Speaker:maybe one one one finger kid.
Speaker:And and he just simply had wasn't paying
Speaker:attention and fell asleep or whatever.
Speaker:So he missed out.
Speaker:You're going to be frustrated.
Speaker:You got to pay attention.
Speaker:You got to buy in.
Speaker:And but they enjoyed it.
Speaker:And so we finished the George story.
Speaker:And then we went into the many readers
Speaker:where it was like this kid named Ed wants
Speaker:pizza and his kid named
Speaker:Rick wants wants a Xbox.
Speaker:This boy named Bart wants a cat.
Speaker:And since, excuse me, I get choked up.
Speaker:And then this other boy
Speaker:named Ben wants an igloo.
Speaker:And we did those.
Speaker:And the kids they were reading and they
Speaker:were enjoying the heck out of it.
Speaker:And so summer gets here.
Speaker:So the end of the quarter.
Speaker:Then we've had a successful quarter.
Speaker:The grades have gone up.
Speaker:The kids can do stuff.
Speaker:They've enjoyed it.
Speaker:And so summer gets here.
Speaker:You know, we go on for the summer.
Speaker:Well, that summer 2019, I had seen where
Speaker:the there was a national TPRS conference
Speaker:going to happen in Chicago.
Speaker:And I said, you know what?
Speaker:I'm going.
Speaker:And I talked to a fellow teacher here at
Speaker:the time here in Memphis.
Speaker:Her name was Krishna.
Speaker:Krishna Washburn and great lady.
Speaker:Awesome teacher.
Speaker:And she decided to go with me to the TPR
Speaker:conference because she wanted to find out
Speaker:more, too, because she we we
Speaker:constantly talked about it.
Speaker:She taught at another
Speaker:school in the district.
Speaker:And I would talk to her every day about
Speaker:like what I was doing in my class or she
Speaker:was doing that it up.
Speaker:And she wanted to find out more.
Speaker:And so we both went to the the TPRS
Speaker:conference in Chicago.
Speaker:And it was amazing.
Speaker:It was 500 plus
Speaker:people there at this hotel.
Speaker:And I was just like, holy mess.
Speaker:How these people do this?
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:And it felt so awesome to be a part of
Speaker:something like that.
Speaker:And so I learned a lot.
Speaker:I went to every every breakout session.
Speaker:I went to Scott's breakout session.
Speaker:I went to breakout session with Craig
Speaker:Shehi, with Jeremy Jordan.
Speaker:Like I'm meeting people that like I had
Speaker:watched their videos on YouTube and use
Speaker:their videos and YouTube in my classroom.
Speaker:And I was like, oh, my
Speaker:gosh, I was like fan.
Speaker:I was fanboying out really badly.
Speaker:It's like, oh, my God, that's you.
Speaker:That's Jeremy Jordan.
Speaker:And and it was a neat experience.
Speaker:Speak with Blaine and everybody there.
Speaker:And so I came back from that training and
Speaker:the school year started and immediately
Speaker:started teaching TPRS that day one that
Speaker:we got back after I went through the
Speaker:rules and procedures in the classroom.
Speaker:I started teaching George
Speaker:wants a cup of cola again.
Speaker:And my kids from the previous year had
Speaker:came by my classroom.
Speaker:And when they came by my classroom, they
Speaker:walked in and they were like,
Speaker:they saw what we were doing.
Speaker:They saw it projected on the wall.
Speaker:There's George, that
Speaker:and they were annoyed.
Speaker:They were like, perfect.
Speaker:What? Why are you
Speaker:doing this with them now?
Speaker:You made us wait to the end of the year.
Speaker:And well, it's because
Speaker:I didn't know how then.
Speaker:And they were annoyed.
Speaker:Like it's not fair.
Speaker:We had to wait.
Speaker:They need to wait.
Speaker:I said, no, can you do that?
Speaker:And so I knew my kids, my current kids,
Speaker:the two thousand nineteen twenty kids,
Speaker:they were like, what?
Speaker:And but they had already bought in and we
Speaker:were reading and we were doing our homework.
Speaker:And we were reading and
Speaker:we were doing all this.
Speaker:And I had kids who they were
Speaker:low level readers in English.
Speaker:They were not very strong readers at all.
Speaker:I had kids who were in those not so
Speaker:stellar organizations outside of school.
Speaker:We call them gangs.
Speaker:They were in my classroom
Speaker:and they were very hardcore.
Speaker:And I would pair everybody up to read
Speaker:with a partner, do some volleyball
Speaker:reading back and forth.
Speaker:And a lot of kids did not want to work
Speaker:with those kids and be the partners
Speaker:because either intimidated or whatever.
Speaker:And so I was like, hey,
Speaker:would you be my partner?
Speaker:And to those kids and this one boy said
Speaker:he said he was very reluctant to come up
Speaker:and he and I started reading together.
Speaker:And you could almost see like this light
Speaker:bulb went off in his head that, oh, my
Speaker:gosh, I can understand this.
Speaker:This is easy. And there were other people
Speaker:that were in his organization in the
Speaker:classroom and they
Speaker:were watching this happen.
Speaker:And so the next time we decide to read
Speaker:with a partner, like all these kids in
Speaker:that group wanted to read with me and
Speaker:like, can I read with it?
Speaker:My big group will
Speaker:say, yeah, sure, come on.
Speaker:And so that became a good moment right
Speaker:there in that, you know, the teaching
Speaker:through reading and storytelling works.
Speaker:It works so good.
Speaker:Whatever that was.
Speaker:But it works.
Speaker:And those kids like they had better
Speaker:grades in my class than they had in their
Speaker:English class, which I always enjoy.
Speaker:But they understood Spanish and and and
Speaker:and it just went on.
Speaker:And then sadly, unfortunately, we know we
Speaker:had covid pop up in 1920.
Speaker:And then so our district decided to
Speaker:dismiss for, you know, for the end of the
Speaker:for the second semester, we decided to
Speaker:dismiss and go home and call it a wash.
Speaker:That summer, we we did try to do a little
Speaker:bit online material with the kiddos, with
Speaker:Microsoft Teams and all that to varying
Speaker:degrees as a district worked it out
Speaker:because they needed to get laptops for
Speaker:the kids because we were not a one to one
Speaker:district at the time.
Speaker:And then so the the
Speaker:coming year, 20, 2021.
Speaker:Yeah, we became a one to one district,
Speaker:but we were doing that first bit of the
Speaker:school year, you know, at home, you know,
Speaker:asynchronous and that
Speaker:are online learning.
Speaker:And so I was teaching George via, you
Speaker:know, via this platform and
Speaker:and my TPR stories that way.
Speaker:And also at the time, Blaine Ray
Speaker:contacted me and asked if I wouldn't mind
Speaker:teaching with them, teaching stories
Speaker:online with them as well.
Speaker:And so I would do my day job teaching my
Speaker:kiddos, my current kids, and then at a
Speaker:certain time, log in and start doing
Speaker:stories with Blaine Ray.
Speaker:I'm getting more and more training with
Speaker:TPRS and I'm getting it
Speaker:from the guy who created it.
Speaker:And and and it's like it's wild.
Speaker:And in like every opportunity I had to go
Speaker:to a training, whether it was via Blaine
Speaker:or via Vaughn or Craig or anybody,
Speaker:Jeremy, you know, I would go to it.
Speaker:And I'd get the certificates and I would
Speaker:do everything I could to learn more
Speaker:because, you know, like I said earlier, I
Speaker:want to be the best teacher for my kids.
Speaker:I want to be, you know, proficient so my
Speaker:kids will do well. So ever since then.
Speaker:My evaluations via the Tennessee system,
Speaker:the Tim Rubrik, teaching effective
Speaker:measure, teach effectiveness measure.
Speaker:It went from that miserable score I had
Speaker:my first year to I'm making fives.
Speaker:It's it's it's five is the highest score
Speaker:we can make and I'm making
Speaker:fives and I'm not trying to brag.
Speaker:It's just TPRS and the CI method,
Speaker:especially the TPRS part of it, teaching
Speaker:professional reading and storytelling.
Speaker:It really leans into most of the teacher
Speaker:evaluation methods and that if you do it
Speaker:that way, if you follow the
Speaker:formula, you do the process.
Speaker:You as a teacher, you're going to score
Speaker:extremely well on the rubric and whatever
Speaker:rubric is because
Speaker:it's involving the kids.
Speaker:We do the gradual release of
Speaker:responsibility, whereas I do it.
Speaker:We do it. You do it with a partner and
Speaker:then you finally you do it by yourself.
Speaker:And all of that is that is straight up
Speaker:like it's like the blame
Speaker:rate model right there.
Speaker:It's like that that TPRS model. You know,
Speaker:it's like I'm going to
Speaker:show you I want to model it.
Speaker:I want to demonstrate the thing. You
Speaker:know, there is a boy. There was a boy.
Speaker:The boy is George. And
Speaker:we're going to do it together.
Speaker:I'm going to circle it. I'm going to ask
Speaker:you all kinds of questions.
Speaker:I want to ask you individually that will
Speaker:triangle that question or
Speaker:triangle that statement.
Speaker:And then so the element that I had to
Speaker:introduce and is is I wanted my kids to
Speaker:ask each other questions.
Speaker:So that was the you do together. And so I
Speaker:created questions in that in that year.
Speaker:I created questions and I
Speaker:would display the questions.
Speaker:I think I now want you to ask each other
Speaker:questions based off
Speaker:everything we know in the story.
Speaker:And they loved it. They were you know,
Speaker:they were asking questions back and forth
Speaker:and they couldn't remember.
Speaker:Can you go back to the story real quick?
Speaker:And I'd flash back to
Speaker:the whatever we read.
Speaker:Let's get looking find it. OK, good. And
Speaker:I go back. So now I
Speaker:ask the question again.
Speaker:And so they got the practice of asking
Speaker:each other questions. And
Speaker:it's it's grown in my practice.
Speaker:It's grown to the point where I've got my
Speaker:kids this year with with
Speaker:no prompting on my part.
Speaker:They are creating questions. And these
Speaker:are level one Spanish kids.
Speaker:And we're just we're in the eighth week
Speaker:of the quarter for this year.
Speaker:And these kids are asking questions of
Speaker:me. They might be a few grammatical
Speaker:errors in the question,
Speaker:but you can understand what they're
Speaker:trying to do with it.
Speaker:They're trying to ask a question and
Speaker:they're trying to create a question.
Speaker:It's not just a rote memorized question
Speaker:like what's your name,
Speaker:et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker:It's it's they're trying and it's neat to
Speaker:hear because that's the effectiveness of
Speaker:them learning via a story
Speaker:and language in context.
Speaker:Yeah. So sorry. Is that enough?
Speaker:Yeah, that was amazing. I
Speaker:will talk a lot about it.
Speaker:Well, we can hear your enthusiasm and
Speaker:that's what's really
Speaker:really great to hear.
Speaker:And I'll tell you a little bit about my
Speaker:story because my story kind of mirrors a
Speaker:little bit of what your story was.
Speaker:Except I started in 2001 2001 right after
Speaker:9 11. I started I started
Speaker:late in the year October.
Speaker:They were desperate need for another
Speaker:teacher. They had too many students and
Speaker:not enough teachers.
Speaker:So they hired me part time
Speaker:and it was not a C.I. school.
Speaker:I didn't even know there was no C.I.
Speaker:wasn't called that back then.
Speaker:All there was was a text
Speaker:book and it was all textbook.
Speaker:I didn't know what TPRS was and they
Speaker:threw me to the wolves.
Speaker:I had no idea what I was doing. I was on
Speaker:an emergency permit,
Speaker:which means I had not gone through
Speaker:teaching school yet.
Speaker:I just had a bachelor's and so they let
Speaker:me teach, which was a
Speaker:mistake on their part,
Speaker:because I had no idea what I was doing.
Speaker:I walked into that class and I opened the
Speaker:textbook and I just taught the way that I
Speaker:was taught in my language
Speaker:because I took high school French,
Speaker:German and Spanish. And so and I sucked
Speaker:at it. I was bored. They were bored.
Speaker:We were both asleep in
Speaker:the class. It was horrible.
Speaker:I remember one of my students told me
Speaker:goes I look like a scared
Speaker:rabbit walking in that first day.
Speaker:I was terrified in there. I
Speaker:had no idea what I was doing.
Speaker:I had no business being in
Speaker:that classroom whatsoever.
Speaker:And if they weren't desperately looking
Speaker:for a teacher, I probably
Speaker:would not have been hired.
Speaker:As I said, it was a part time position.
Speaker:There's only two periods, no
Speaker:benefits, no very little pay.
Speaker:So there weren't a high demand of
Speaker:teachers trying to fill that position.
Speaker:And then I was like you at the end of
Speaker:that first semester
Speaker:Christmas break, I was like,
Speaker:this is not working. I cannot
Speaker:do this for the next 30 years.
Speaker:It's just not going to
Speaker:work. So I found something.
Speaker:I they put us in something called L.A.
Speaker:Stars. I was teaching
Speaker:in Los Angeles and Louie.
Speaker:I think it's nice name was Anderson or I
Speaker:forgot. I'm horrible at
Speaker:names. So I apologize, Louie.
Speaker:But he taught us a story in Quechua. And
Speaker:I still remember parts of that story now.
Speaker:You know, 25 years later, I remember
Speaker:parts of the story and I
Speaker:thought there's something to this.
Speaker:But no one's explained to me
Speaker:what TPRS was or what it was.
Speaker:So I did some research. I found Blaine
Speaker:Ray back then. And I had to
Speaker:pay for everything myself.
Speaker:I bought all the books that I could buy.
Speaker:There was no trainings yet available.
Speaker:I took my first training that summer and
Speaker:second semester I went in, you know,
Speaker:completely full fledged.
Speaker:I jumped everything I had into it and it
Speaker:was working. It was hard.
Speaker:It was difficult for me.
Speaker:We were in a textbook. We were in an old
Speaker:textbook way back then.
Speaker:And we were in the travel chapter. So I
Speaker:went and found in Blaine Ray's books all
Speaker:the travel stories that you
Speaker:find and put them in there.
Speaker:And I had to teach stupid words like
Speaker:gaviota and aligas
Speaker:marinas seaweed and seagull.
Speaker:I mean, it's really high frequency words.
Speaker:And it was but it was working.
Speaker:And my principal told me he goes, I don't
Speaker:know what you did between first semester
Speaker:and second semester.
Speaker:But you weren't on the track to be
Speaker:rehired after first semester because it
Speaker:just wasn't working.
Speaker:But whatever you're doing now, keep doing
Speaker:that because now you're on
Speaker:the track to get rehired.
Speaker:So just kind of like you and your
Speaker:evaluations, mine went completely up and
Speaker:it really wasn't me.
Speaker:It was the method. And as I said, I
Speaker:didn't even have any official training.
Speaker:I joined the more TPRS list, which was
Speaker:way back when what we had before the
Speaker:Facebook groups that we have now.
Speaker:That was the group that we did. I had
Speaker:that. I had the TPRS books that we had
Speaker:that I had bought in from Blaine Ray.
Speaker:And I didn't get my first workshop until
Speaker:that summer. And that
Speaker:was with Karen Rowan.
Speaker:And then the following summer I did it
Speaker:with Susie Gross. And I didn't even go to
Speaker:my first NTPRS until 2007 because in
Speaker:California we did not get paid.
Speaker:Well, you could get paid year round, but
Speaker:I was getting paid so little they would
Speaker:have to take like seven or eight hundred
Speaker:dollars out of my
Speaker:paycheck to pay for that summer.
Speaker:And I couldn't afford that to pay my
Speaker:rent. So it was very expensive. And so I
Speaker:needed all that money.
Speaker:So I had to work summer school during the
Speaker:summertime to be able to
Speaker:keep my finances going.
Speaker:And it was always funny because a lot of
Speaker:people in L.A. couldn't
Speaker:do the year round either.
Speaker:And so you'd see them. We our first
Speaker:paycheck would come at the end of
Speaker:September and they'd be all like brown
Speaker:bag in it with little skimpy things.
Speaker:We all lost a lot of weight before
Speaker:October came. When that first check came,
Speaker:we were all like, oh, we can eat again
Speaker:because we were all
Speaker:just for the struggle.
Speaker:No struggle meals for real. Oh, yes.
Speaker:Spread our salaries out. So I had a very
Speaker:similar story to you. But I only did
Speaker:textbook for one
Speaker:semester and I stuck at it.
Speaker:And I completely thought that. And after
Speaker:that, I worked at TPRS schools all along.
Speaker:Yeah, no, no, I was I was great at the
Speaker:textbook thing. But when you get in an
Speaker:environment where you don't have one,
Speaker:you're like, what do I do?
Speaker:And it was it was it was a you know, it
Speaker:wasn't a difficult switch from textbook
Speaker:to TPR, TPRS and CI.
Speaker:At least for me. And I know everybody's
Speaker:everybody's situation will
Speaker:be a little bit different.
Speaker:But if you embrace the story and just
Speaker:relax and speak, I mean, I got to use I
Speaker:got to stay in the target language more.
Speaker:I get to stay in the target language more
Speaker:as a as a as a TPRS, CI
Speaker:teacher now than I ever have.
Speaker:It's it's you know, ninety ninety ninety
Speaker:to ninety five percent of
Speaker:the time I'm in Spanish.
Speaker:But the thing about it is a hundred
Speaker:percent of it's comprehensible or
Speaker:comprehended by the kids.
Speaker:And and. And they enjoy
Speaker:it. It's like I was Friday.
Speaker:We're playing we're playing this
Speaker:wonderful little game that I
Speaker:discovered called Noes Huisto.
Speaker:It's not fair. And there was a question
Speaker:that came up and I saw the question.
Speaker:And before I asked the question to the
Speaker:kids, I prefaced it with
Speaker:some background information and.
Speaker:In Spanish and my kids
Speaker:are like, they're tracking.
Speaker:They're like, yes, we got
Speaker:every detail you just said now.
Speaker:OK, and now then I asked the question,
Speaker:they knew the answer to the question.
Speaker:And so it's being able to
Speaker:stay in the target language.
Speaker:And then so anyway, but yeah, a little
Speaker:bit back like like how how
Speaker:TPRS is coming to my school.
Speaker:So I started doing TPRS and there's this
Speaker:wonderful teacher down the hall from her
Speaker:name is Javella Johnson.
Speaker:She is she is my sister from another
Speaker:mother. She's a great
Speaker:she is rockin awesome.
Speaker:She had always talked about when I
Speaker:started doing TPRS, she was curious and
Speaker:she had always wanted to try it.
Speaker:But she always seen it as so much work.
Speaker:And then she saw that out the way I was
Speaker:doing it. And I guess she because she had
Speaker:been to some trainings with
Speaker:with Blaine there in Memphis.
Speaker:And and I think back in the back in the
Speaker:2000s earlier, earlier part, you know, a
Speaker:few years ago, but she
Speaker:thought it was just a lot of work.
Speaker:And so I started showing her the way I
Speaker:was doing and all this.
Speaker:And she's like, OK. And then finally she
Speaker:decided she's going to embrace it.
Speaker:And she started trying to teach you. She
Speaker:started teaching her first George story.
Speaker:And it was like she came in. She came in
Speaker:my room like David, it's magic.
Speaker:It's like magic. The kids, they're
Speaker:getting it. They're getting everything.
Speaker:They understand it. It's like magic. And
Speaker:and I know our world
Speaker:language advisor at the time.
Speaker:And as I said earlier, like Jane, Jane
Speaker:Davis, she came to my
Speaker:classroom as she was doing her
Speaker:check on all the teachers in Memphis. She
Speaker:gave them a classroom.
Speaker:She started what I was
Speaker:doing. She is not a fan of TPRs.
Speaker:And and she does like CI,
Speaker:but she's not a friend. TPRS.
Speaker:And she said that doesn't go without
Speaker:curriculum, but it does because
Speaker:everything that's in our curriculum
Speaker:guide, you can put in a story, you know,
Speaker:and and that's how it works.
Speaker:It's because you're telling the story,
Speaker:you're creating
Speaker:language, making it in context.
Speaker:And I'm not having the kids memorize. My
Speaker:name is your name is. His name is his
Speaker:birthday is that it is.
Speaker:But we're living in the story. And so
Speaker:when the portfolio team came around
Speaker:again, I made a five.
Speaker:And then the first one, my first
Speaker:portfolio was not a five. It was like a
Speaker:three. It was an ugly three.
Speaker:But I made a five. The next year, my next
Speaker:portfolio made another five and another
Speaker:five and another five because the kids
Speaker:are able to use the language.
Speaker:So and then as as Chevela started seeing
Speaker:me do TPRS and she embraced
Speaker:it, you know, it's kicking it.
Speaker:So now we're going to the DLDs, the
Speaker:district learning days and the kids.
Speaker:And we're talking TPRS at the district
Speaker:level. And so right now
Speaker:we're going to do a book study.
Speaker:And it's like it is a bit like pulling
Speaker:teeth in our district to get change to
Speaker:happen because the previous
Speaker:lady, she was not a fan of TPRS.
Speaker:But we've got new people in charge now.
Speaker:And so letting them see the results.
Speaker:The proof is in the pudding. And and so
Speaker:we're doing a book
Speaker:study on Blaine's book.
Speaker:And and I told I told our new adviser, I
Speaker:said, hey, if you want somebody to lead
Speaker:the book study, hey, I'm your guy.
Speaker:I can do it. I will lead it. And because
Speaker:I'm I'm pushing it, it's
Speaker:pushing so hard for it to happen.
Speaker:And it's just so hopefully that will
Speaker:happen very soon. But yeah, but there's a
Speaker:lot of teachers who who understand
Speaker:because I showed it like
Speaker:one day at one of our DLDs.
Speaker:We had some downtime or something
Speaker:happening. And the presenter said, OK,
Speaker:look, my stuff's not working with anybody
Speaker:like to present anything.
Speaker:And me being the guy that I am and I love
Speaker:to volunteer. I said, yes. And I have my
Speaker:laptop and let's give it
Speaker:give me that HDMI cord.
Speaker:Plugged it in. All right. And I started
Speaker:teaching my first TPRS
Speaker:lesson to a group of teachers and.
Speaker:And I said, OK, look, I know the majority
Speaker:of y'all are Spanish teachers.
Speaker:Great. Love y'all. Who are my non-Spanish
Speaker:teachers, my German teachers, my Chinese
Speaker:teachers, my Arabic teachers that all of
Speaker:y'all come to the
Speaker:forward, come to the front.
Speaker:And so I started teaching the George
Speaker:story to non-Spanish speakers, to
Speaker:non-Spanish teachers and
Speaker:doing that whole TPR thing.
Speaker:Now, mind you, I've had a couple of years
Speaker:of training now and so I'm my
Speaker:presentation is much better.
Speaker:And like after I was done, they were
Speaker:like, OK, we want to know
Speaker:more. We want to know more.
Speaker:And so I asked, you know, like, who would
Speaker:like to know more? And and I got a lot of
Speaker:feedback that, yes, we want to know more.
Speaker:So it's trying to get them to push the
Speaker:leadership to say, hey,
Speaker:we want more training.
Speaker:I mean, I would love to have have Blaine
Speaker:have you have have all the people who can
Speaker:do it come into Memphis and give our
Speaker:district a good training.
Speaker:And I think that's what we need to let
Speaker:let our district see that
Speaker:this is easy. This is magic.
Speaker:And the kids will be much more engaged
Speaker:because I want to build a program where
Speaker:the kids, they're not just satisfied with
Speaker:saying, OK, I've taken my
Speaker:two years of world language.
Speaker:I'm done. I want to push them to take
Speaker:three years, four years to
Speaker:go on into the AP program.
Speaker:We have we're doing the
Speaker:syllabi literacy in Tennessee.
Speaker:And one of my goals is to get kids, more
Speaker:kids, especially at Cordova High School,
Speaker:taking the stamp test and earning their
Speaker:their their their seal.
Speaker:And so I think through TPRS and all that,
Speaker:I think it's totally possible.
Speaker:All the teachers and that's one of our
Speaker:goals. That's one of our pushes at
Speaker:Cordova High School.
Speaker:Now, that being said, yeah, I am the
Speaker:department head over
Speaker:at Cordova High School.
Speaker:And the way I became it is because I am
Speaker:that guy that will volunteer and will
Speaker:come up with new things.
Speaker:The previous department head, she decided
Speaker:that she wanted to go to
Speaker:another school and teach.
Speaker:And one day we're at a meeting and and
Speaker:she announced that she was going to leave
Speaker:and that we need a new department head
Speaker:and everybody in the
Speaker:department, there's seven teachers.
Speaker:I'll point out David's going to be that.
Speaker:And I'm like, wait, do I
Speaker:get a decision in this?
Speaker:And they were like, no. And but that's
Speaker:who I am because they
Speaker:know that I am that guy.
Speaker:Like once I started, you know, started
Speaker:with TPRS and and it just it relaxed me
Speaker:and I'm much more, you know, forthcoming
Speaker:with information and helping people out.
Speaker:And so they appreciated that. So, yeah,
Speaker:that's how we do that.
Speaker:So I get to use that platform to push it
Speaker:at the other schools.
Speaker:And there's other schools in the district
Speaker:where there's teachers
Speaker:that spoke with the summer.
Speaker:Who want to know more about TPRS and are
Speaker:trying to teach it over at other schools,
Speaker:teach that teach the method.
Speaker:Since it's not a curriculum, but it's a
Speaker:method and and and that's what I have to
Speaker:get them understand.
Speaker:This is not curriculum. TPRS is not a
Speaker:curriculum. It's a method of teaching
Speaker:that language and and it's
Speaker:it's getting the kids to learn.
Speaker:You can deal with
Speaker:anything. And so there's teachers.
Speaker:I've got I've got teacher friends who
Speaker:have come to my class and in the
Speaker:afternoons and we want no more.
Speaker:And I show them how TPRS works and I've
Speaker:gotten them to go to the trainings with
Speaker:with Craig or with Blaine and and they're
Speaker:starting to do TPRS
Speaker:over at their schools.
Speaker:So it's starting to grow in Memphis. It's
Speaker:it's there. It's in its infancy.
Speaker:I mean, I think it's probably it's the
Speaker:sperm has met the egg stage,
Speaker:but it's it's it's growing.
Speaker:And the thing about it is it's the neat
Speaker:thing is how well the kids
Speaker:and that's what it's about.
Speaker:It's the kids and how well they
Speaker:understand the language and
Speaker:they can figure out stuff.
Speaker:And it's all the incidental vocabulary
Speaker:that they learn
Speaker:through reading the story.
Speaker:And it's words that I haven't taught, but
Speaker:they figure it out as
Speaker:they're reading it in context.
Speaker:And like it's everything that that
Speaker:Krashen talks about in all of his stuff
Speaker:as how effective it is that somebody will
Speaker:learn 10 times faster through reading
Speaker:than they will listen to some old teacher
Speaker:talk, talk, talk, talk, talk.
Speaker:And so my parents appreciated like during
Speaker:parent teacher conferences.
Speaker:I'm that teacher that that I will bribe
Speaker:my kids to have their parents come in.
Speaker:It's like if you if your parent comes to
Speaker:parent teacher conference to see me, you
Speaker:get a free 100 in power school.
Speaker:And so these kids will pile it. I mean,
Speaker:parents for days and like nobody else in
Speaker:the building has parents coming like, why
Speaker:do you have like 25 parents last night?
Speaker:Well, they like me. So
Speaker:don't tell them your secret.
Speaker:It's in this. It's the
Speaker:secret sauce. It's in the recipe.
Speaker:And so anyway, these parents come like
Speaker:one night the parents came in and it was
Speaker:a large group of parents.
Speaker:And typically I try to meet individually.
Speaker:But you know what? Heck, that night is
Speaker:largely because I have come on in.
Speaker:You don't have a seat. And it wasn't like
Speaker:I wasn't going to talk about it like your
Speaker:kid is your kid has a bad
Speaker:grade because they did it.
Speaker:No, I just want to meet the parents. Let
Speaker:them know. So you'll
Speaker:come on in and have a seat.
Speaker:So you've heard about me. I'm David Rice.
Speaker:Nice to meet you. This is
Speaker:how I'm teaching your kid.
Speaker:And I started teaching the parents the
Speaker:George story or whatever story we was
Speaker:working on at the time.
Speaker:And I'm going to use the George story as
Speaker:my go to. That's the story I thought.
Speaker:And the parents were like, what? I get
Speaker:this. This is easy. And
Speaker:so the parents understood.
Speaker:So the feedback from my parents is
Speaker:they're happy that the kids understand.
Speaker:And they realize like he makes it easy.
Speaker:How do you have a bad grade? Oh, you're
Speaker:not doing the work. OK.
Speaker:And so it's I mean, it's that it's it's I
Speaker:showed the parents like how easy the
Speaker:material is and how effective this is.
Speaker:So if you don't. And I do like that one
Speaker:thing that I read in Blaine's book, like
Speaker:not every it's not going to work for
Speaker:everyone type thing for the kid.
Speaker:But because the kids has a buy in and
Speaker:it's about reducing that effective filter
Speaker:and letting the kid understand like how
Speaker:easy it's so scaffolded.
Speaker:You start with that one sentence. There
Speaker:is a boy and add to it.
Speaker:The boy is George. Add to it.
Speaker:George is in California. Add to it. Keep
Speaker:adding. Keep adding. As you've gone over
Speaker:and asked like 10
Speaker:questions about that one statement.
Speaker:And it just it scaffolds it up so well so
Speaker:that when you hand them a story to read,
Speaker:you know, they might be like, oh, my
Speaker:gosh, it's a pretty long story.
Speaker:I can handle it and they can read it. And
Speaker:so it builds that up. And so it does. It
Speaker:helps the kids become not so resistant
Speaker:and much more
Speaker:comfortable with the process.
Speaker:And so they understand everything. So my
Speaker:kids from I would say that my kids know
Speaker:way more now than my kids that I taught a
Speaker:few years ago, textbook
Speaker:wise, no way more like.
Speaker:I will get kids from other school from
Speaker:other schools and I'm not downing. I'm
Speaker:not I'm not, you know, calling out that
Speaker:teacher that taught
Speaker:that child or whatever.
Speaker:But they'll come into my class and
Speaker:they're like over when they're like,
Speaker:whoa, y'all know so much more than we do
Speaker:or that that it does.
Speaker:And I said, yeah, just relax. Like I got
Speaker:a new student Friday. She's a great young
Speaker:lady. I enjoyed talking to her.
Speaker:And I said, just relax. And even my kids
Speaker:in class said they even looked at her and
Speaker:said, OK, look, just
Speaker:relax. It's going to be OK.
Speaker:You'll be lost a little bit at first.
Speaker:You'll catch it. You'll get it really
Speaker:fast. And so and these are my kids saying
Speaker:this and not just me.
Speaker:I'm saying it's true. You will. You will
Speaker:get this. I kind of back them up on it.
Speaker:And so Monday, we're going to tomorrow,
Speaker:we're going to start our first story.
Speaker:She's going to start her first story and
Speaker:it's going to be Bart wanted a cat. I'm
Speaker:going to do it in the
Speaker:past tense with them.
Speaker:And these are level one kiddos. And that
Speaker:was one thing that the the previous
Speaker:district adviser didn't like is because I
Speaker:was teaching stories to
Speaker:Spanish one kiddos in the past.
Speaker:I was adding elements of the subjunctive
Speaker:in it. And because it was language, it's
Speaker:you know, how do we speak language?
Speaker:We don't like, OK, I'm going to have a
Speaker:conversation with you today and it's all
Speaker:going to be in the present tense. No, you
Speaker:know, we intermix tenses and moods.
Speaker:And and and all of that is in a
Speaker:conversation in context. And so she came
Speaker:in and she saw me teaching the past.
Speaker:And she said, wait, this past tense is
Speaker:not taught to Spanish to my what. No,
Speaker:it's not here now. My kids understand it.
Speaker:They can tell you Chico, the new kids,
Speaker:the boy was 15 years old now.
Speaker:He's 45, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker:That's a big jump in age. But that that
Speaker:they can I mean, they can get it.
Speaker:And so they can handle it so long as it's
Speaker:in context and it makes sense if it's
Speaker:just abstractly, you know, like we're
Speaker:going to do the imperfect tense today.
Speaker:That's going to we don't even teach the
Speaker:imperfect tense like in those terms of
Speaker:those terms in English class, we don't
Speaker:teach grammar in English class.
Speaker:So why would you teach grammar in a world
Speaker:language class? I mean, yeah, I get it.
Speaker:As if you're if you're going to become a
Speaker:Spanish teacher or a word language
Speaker:teacher, you do you do need
Speaker:to know those grammar terms.
Speaker:That would be great. But
Speaker:let that happen at college.
Speaker:Let that happen to university right now
Speaker:as a learner. You're a level one kiddo.
Speaker:You don't need to know how to conjugate
Speaker:500 different verbs. No, you know, it's
Speaker:you don't need to know like like I'm
Speaker:introducing like in the stories now,
Speaker:like, you know, thanks to chat GPT, I can
Speaker:take a story like one of the stories, one
Speaker:of the TPR stories, and I can kind of
Speaker:expand it a little
Speaker:bit with chat and like.
Speaker:The most recent story, it's got a couple
Speaker:elements of the subjunctive in it and I
Speaker:which there might be a Coca
Speaker:Cola in New York and my kids.
Speaker:They didn't blink at it as they were
Speaker:reading it. And the statement when you
Speaker:know it's possible that there might be a
Speaker:Coca Cola in New York and and you know, I
Speaker:suppose he got a Coca Cola in New York.
Speaker:And my kids, they didn't blink at it.
Speaker:They read it and understood it and say,
Speaker:what's I they didn't care because they
Speaker:understood it. It made sense.
Speaker:You know, like I think the thing was the
Speaker:the the the sentence that I added in the
Speaker:story is recreated in
Speaker:light like, you know, the boy.
Speaker:The boy is hopeful that his friend, his
Speaker:friend's friend has a Coca Cola in
Speaker:Atlanta or whatever. Right. So there's
Speaker:going to be Tenga and it's
Speaker:going to be more subjunctive.
Speaker:They're not blinking at it. They didn't
Speaker:ask what it might be. They just read and
Speaker:understood it. And that's language.
Speaker:Language should be like
Speaker:that. It's not compartmentalized.
Speaker:I must teach you sales. I must teach you,
Speaker:you know, if you see, oh, hello, that I
Speaker:don't know. I don't know about that. I'm
Speaker:just going to do it. You'll see.
Speaker:You match it up. How do you learn Spanish
Speaker:if you were born into that community as
Speaker:you hear it? Absolutely. I
Speaker:mean, does that make sense?
Speaker:Absolutely. Great. You're great
Speaker:explanations. I love what you're talking
Speaker:about. We have a
Speaker:question here from Carina.
Speaker:If I'm just starting out, what one
Speaker:resource should I start with? I can get
Speaker:easily overwhelmed as we all can. Do you
Speaker:have a suggestion for I know what you're
Speaker:going to say, but go ahead.
Speaker:OK. Hey, Carina. Great question. And that
Speaker:was me a few years ago.
Speaker:Best thing I can tell you to do is and
Speaker:I'm not trying to plug any product by no
Speaker:means. And I think, you know, he's got
Speaker:already says like, yeah, I kind of where
Speaker:he's going to go is I would go to either
Speaker:like either a immediate
Speaker:immersion or TPRS books.
Speaker:Look at their product line and like,
Speaker:look, I'm going to show it. There's my
Speaker:camera. See this book.
Speaker:This is the green Bible. OK.
Speaker:This one is the seventh edition. It's a
Speaker:big, thick one. They've got another one.
Speaker:It's eighth edition. And Brian Reyes came
Speaker:out with another one called TPRS 2.0.
Speaker:Those two books start
Speaker:reading them and and and.
Speaker:And just try to apply it if you get one
Speaker:of their if you go to TPRS books and by
Speaker:no means, this is not sponsored that.
Speaker:I'm sorry, I have a lot of friends who
Speaker:are influencers and they say that when
Speaker:they're doing their
Speaker:stuff. It's not sponsored.
Speaker:But if you go there in whatever language
Speaker:you get, go to the online portal or
Speaker:whatever and just get like
Speaker:the the free starter thing.
Speaker:And it comes with it's a neat thing. It
Speaker:comes with a teacher guide. And the
Speaker:teacher guide is well laid out in that,
Speaker:you know, it's going
Speaker:to talk about circling.
Speaker:It's going to try and it will give you
Speaker:starter questions to ask and to ease your
Speaker:way through it. Right.
Speaker:Step by step process.
Speaker:You will not get overwhelmed if you just
Speaker:go step by step one question at a time.
Speaker:You won't get overwhelmed.
Speaker:That's my biggest fear when I start out
Speaker:doing stuff is I don't
Speaker:want to be overwhelmed.
Speaker:But if you'll be very, very methodical
Speaker:with it, you'll be OK. And your kids will
Speaker:respond and they will do so well at it.
Speaker:The the I know I know that that Scott has
Speaker:his one words, his one verb stories,
Speaker:which I like. I got those and I've used
Speaker:and I've got another
Speaker:teacher friend in my department.
Speaker:She's doing TPRS now with the kids and
Speaker:she uses those with
Speaker:her kids. And so, yeah.
Speaker:Whatever resource, just a little bit at a
Speaker:time, you know, just an ask questions.
Speaker:Start one sentence at a time. Circle it,
Speaker:you know, ask the whole class, you know,
Speaker:you know, yes, no, maybe so answers and
Speaker:then triangle that next question.
Speaker:That statement with a bunch of kids, ask
Speaker:so much questions. Just one kid at a time
Speaker:and then move on. But, you know, don't
Speaker:spend a lot of time.
Speaker:Does that make sense?
Speaker:Did I help you?
Speaker:Absolutely. And I was just going to add
Speaker:some other. So, yes, there's TPRS books
Speaker:has got that's the originator Blaine Ray
Speaker:and his materials have come a long way.
Speaker:He's got the slides that will help you
Speaker:walk you through step by step by step.
Speaker:Somos is another one that's by Martina
Speaker:Bex and you can get that at
Speaker:comprehensibleclassroom.com.
Speaker:A slow start. And these are older books,
Speaker:but I still recommend them.
Speaker:Is I'll put them up here. TPRS in a year
Speaker:at Ben Slavic.com. I like that one
Speaker:because it's one step that you work on
Speaker:and you master and then you move on to
Speaker:the next step. So he does
Speaker:it. He breaks it down that.
Speaker:And in a year you'll get really good at
Speaker:it. And then I did not understand PQA at
Speaker:all when it first came out when they
Speaker:talked about it. I didn't understand it.
Speaker:They never demoed it in a demonstration.
Speaker:They went right to the story.
Speaker:So I skipped that step for many, many
Speaker:years. My first five years. I skipped it
Speaker:until I got another Ben Slavic book
Speaker:called PQA and a wink. And then I
Speaker:understood what it was.
Speaker:That's where the term circling with balls
Speaker:comes from. I learned so much from that
Speaker:and I hate using terms that you have to
Speaker:explain what they are
Speaker:before you can do them.
Speaker:And so PQA, triangling, circling, they're
Speaker:not easily identifiable or what do we
Speaker:call it? They're not. And there's a word
Speaker:I'm forgetting and I can't think of right
Speaker:off the top of my head right now.
Speaker:But they're not obvious to what they're
Speaker:doing. You have to explain those. So I
Speaker:like to like call PQA. It's just a
Speaker:conversation with a kid. It's that why
Speaker:come up with a whole new word. It's just
Speaker:a conversation and triangling is
Speaker:interviewing the characters.
Speaker:Why come up with a whole new word for it
Speaker:to go around there and circling is just
Speaker:asking scaffold of differentiated
Speaker:questions. So I hate making up words that
Speaker:you have to explain to
Speaker:forget people to understand.
Speaker:But those are great recommendations. And
Speaker:I do like how Blaine in his newer books
Speaker:and his PowerPoints, how he is breaking
Speaker:it down step by step by step, where we
Speaker:used to do things we used to do seven
Speaker:steps all in one class period when I
Speaker:started with the
Speaker:original TPRS with seven steps.
Speaker:And I don't know how we all did it, but
Speaker:we did it in the beginning. And now it's
Speaker:down to three steps. And now he's broken
Speaker:it down in those PowerPoints.
Speaker:So if you really need it broken down step
Speaker:by step by step for you, then the books
Speaker:at TPRS books would be the best option
Speaker:there, as David has been telling you.
Speaker:That's where that
Speaker:George story comes from.
Speaker:And they've got all the PowerPoints.
Speaker:You've just got to put the words to it.
Speaker:And a couple of things I want to add
Speaker:that, you know, he was talking about, you
Speaker:know, you're talking about how much
Speaker:Spanish that you're
Speaker:using in your classroom now.
Speaker:And I had a kid who came from my class
Speaker:and moved to a different district and
Speaker:said, profane, your class, we spoke
Speaker:Spanish with a little bit of English. But
Speaker:now I'm in a class that we speak English
Speaker:with a little bit of Spanish, because
Speaker:really the only Spanish or language that
Speaker:would come out would be like reading the
Speaker:instructions out of the textbook, because
Speaker:it would all be
Speaker:instructing in the language.
Speaker:And so that was a big aha moment. And
Speaker:then another one, I told David that many
Speaker:years ago, I did a workshop in Memphis.
Speaker:I've only done one workshop in Memphis,
Speaker:but I did a couple in Nashville. And I
Speaker:did one in Nashville.
Speaker:It was really a fun one. It didn't start
Speaker:out fun. I do my demos in German. That
Speaker:was my major, but I've lost a lot of my
Speaker:German because I don't get
Speaker:to use it. I teach Spanish.
Speaker:So I lose a lot of my German and I'm
Speaker:always freaking out when I have German
Speaker:teachers in the room when I do my
Speaker:demonstration, because number one, I'm
Speaker:going to make mistakes and
Speaker:they're going to point them out.
Speaker:And number two, they don't get to feel
Speaker:the whole experience because they already
Speaker:know the language. And I had this one
Speaker:German, she was from Germany.
Speaker:And the first thing she did was criticize
Speaker:my German question word posters saying
Speaker:they're not capitalized. And I'm like,
Speaker:well, they're not in the
Speaker:sentence and they're not nouns.
Speaker:So they wouldn't normally be capitalized
Speaker:just being a word out there. And I
Speaker:thought, oh, this is going to be a fun
Speaker:workshop. She's going to nitpick my
Speaker:German the whole way through.
Speaker:So I was like, this is going to be great.
Speaker:But at the end, she was dragged along.
Speaker:There was a young teacher in there who is
Speaker:a German teacher as well. She dragged her
Speaker:along to this conference.
Speaker:She didn't really want to go.
Speaker:So we did this workshop. It was a three
Speaker:day workshop. But at the end, she was
Speaker:transformed at the beginning of that
Speaker:workshop. She said, I'm on my way out. I
Speaker:hate kids. I hate teaching now. It's
Speaker:changed so much. I am retiring. I am out.
Speaker:And then at the end, she goes, I think I
Speaker:can do this for five or 10 more years.
Speaker:This is amazing at what they can do. And
Speaker:so it is can be a life changing event.
Speaker:And then she went back
Speaker:to her school district.
Speaker:I think it's Clark school. I don't know
Speaker:something I Clark, I think I remember in
Speaker:there in the name of the school district.
Speaker:But they asked her to be the
Speaker:ambassador for TPRS back then.
Speaker:And this was probably maybe seven, eight
Speaker:years ago. And she just fell in love with
Speaker:it and got a whole new lease on teaching
Speaker:German. And her kids were liking her
Speaker:better. She was liking her kids better.
Speaker:It makes it so much.
Speaker:It's a whole change in the way that
Speaker:you're thinking. They always quote,
Speaker:there's 4% kids can learn from a textbook
Speaker:and they end up being
Speaker:language teachers most of the time.
Speaker:But if you take 4% of a class of 30, it's
Speaker:less than one kid. And what do you think
Speaker:if if your supervisors knew that you were
Speaker:only teaching to one kid of the classroom
Speaker:to the exclusion to the other 29 in the
Speaker:classroom, they would
Speaker:say that's bad teaching.
Speaker:But we are in this textbook because we've
Speaker:always had a textbook or we need some
Speaker:scaffolding for ourselves to be able to
Speaker:teach a structure to be able to teach
Speaker:when we don't need that kind of stuff.
Speaker:And we actually hit more people as
Speaker:David's shown with his kids.
Speaker:We hit more people when we leave that
Speaker:textbook behind and think about it too
Speaker:from the really basic level going, you
Speaker:know, taking crashes ideas and thinking
Speaker:about it. No parent in the history of
Speaker:parenting has ever brought out a textbook
Speaker:to teach the language to their kids.
Speaker:What have they done? They have kept
Speaker:finger where my fingers supposed to go.
Speaker:Where is it? Here is sing to your kids.
Speaker:You talk to your kids. You read to your
Speaker:kids. Those are the things that you do.
Speaker:And in California, it's
Speaker:called the first five.
Speaker:You're supposed to do this with your kids
Speaker:to get them ready for kindergarten. Sing,
Speaker:talk and read, which is exactly what TPRS
Speaker:and CI is all about. And look, all of
Speaker:they have teach parents
Speaker:have a zero failure rate.
Speaker:There is not a single kid unless they
Speaker:have a major brain issue that doesn't
Speaker:learn language. They have a zero failure
Speaker:rate. There is not a single kid getting
Speaker:an F in from their parents
Speaker:from learning a language.
Speaker:But when we go to school, they try to
Speaker:teach us a whole nother way and unnatural
Speaker:way to teach language. And TPRS is just
Speaker:one method of CI. There's lots of
Speaker:different ways approaches to CI, but
Speaker:using CI to actually.
Speaker:Get back to that natural way of learning
Speaker:language, the way that actually works and
Speaker:is foolproof. So if you can just talk to
Speaker:your kids in the target language, even
Speaker:Karina, if you've had no training, you
Speaker:just talk to your kids and make sure that
Speaker:you're being understandable.
Speaker:You're going to win. And I know Blaine
Speaker:and everybody talks about staying in
Speaker:bounds and I am the out of bounds
Speaker:teacher. I have never stayed in bounds in
Speaker:my life because I used to teach only
Speaker:exclusively level one.
Speaker:And on day one, everything's out of
Speaker:bounds. So for me, I found a way to get
Speaker:around that and my kids develop a lot
Speaker:faster because I'm not keeping this to
Speaker:like core six words of vocabulary.
Speaker:I'm expanding. I do make sure it's
Speaker:comprehensible. And how do I do that? I
Speaker:don't stop my language by translating
Speaker:myself because then the kids
Speaker:always wait for the English.
Speaker:I will put up. OK, Karina, thank you so
Speaker:much. You're so welcome. It'll be
Speaker:recorded so you can watch the recording
Speaker:if you'd like to catch up on
Speaker:the end. So thank you so much.
Speaker:She says this is helpful and
Speaker:inspirational. Gotta run now.
Speaker:So. I put the words up on the board. So
Speaker:as I'm talking and I put up a new word
Speaker:that I need to tell a story,
Speaker:I'll put it up on the board.
Speaker:I know David talked about having a
Speaker:drought in California. That's why he
Speaker:needed to drink Coca-Cola. Well, drought
Speaker:is not a word in that my
Speaker:kids would know or ever know.
Speaker:But I need that word to tell the story.
Speaker:So I would put drought up on the board
Speaker:and I put the translation up there. I
Speaker:would point to it.
Speaker:This is a throwaway word.
Speaker:I don't expect my kids to ever remember
Speaker:this word. They just need it in the
Speaker:moment to be able to understand the story
Speaker:and that you don't lose them.
Speaker:And I do the subjunctive just like you,
Speaker:David. All the kids want to know is what
Speaker:does the word mean? And if it's close
Speaker:enough to the word they
Speaker:already know, it doesn't phase them.
Speaker:If it's completely new, then you put it
Speaker:up on the board. But I is not much
Speaker:different from I. So if they already know
Speaker:I, they're not going to
Speaker:even hear the endings.
Speaker:You know, Crashing and Bill Van Patten
Speaker:say kids, especially American kids,
Speaker:because we don't have endings, don't hear
Speaker:the endings. They only hear
Speaker:the root part of the verb.
Speaker:So they're only hearing I anyway. So they
Speaker:don't phase over. They don't get upset or
Speaker:frustrated because they didn't hear that
Speaker:exact word before. The endings come much
Speaker:later for them to understand.
Speaker:And I love the way that you're talking
Speaker:about how you're getting your kids to
Speaker:understand and enjoy the stories and
Speaker:enjoy being in class.
Speaker:It's so, so very important.
Speaker:Yeah. Oh, and on the on the throwaway
Speaker:words. So I've got this one student this
Speaker:year, and she has introduced a new
Speaker:concept to her class.
Speaker:And it's a large class with 35 kids in
Speaker:the class, but it's a new concept. And
Speaker:she started it. And it's random. She
Speaker:calls it random vocabulary.
Speaker:And she's got a whole page, a notebook
Speaker:page. It's actually a couple now that's
Speaker:just random words that I'll throw up on
Speaker:the board. And so she's not going to
Speaker:throw them away. She's
Speaker:going to hold on to them.
Speaker:And it started that list of vocabulary,
Speaker:those random words, those ayas and those
Speaker:sakias and all that, all the droughts and
Speaker:all those. They have started spreading
Speaker:across the classroom.
Speaker:And like they're sharing that vocabulary.
Speaker:So they're all pulling out going, oh,
Speaker:that one. And they're trying to use it.
Speaker:And so it's not because it's like, you
Speaker:know, one man's trash is
Speaker:another man's treasure.
Speaker:And so, yeah, there you go. Good deal.
Speaker:One, I was going to give you one idea
Speaker:that I got from Karen Rowan, and it's
Speaker:really great. I use this for my kids who
Speaker:lack focus, who have to really focus.
Speaker:I'll give them some kind of really absurd
Speaker:word that is like really off the wall.
Speaker:And their job is to find a logical place
Speaker:to get that word into the story.
Speaker:Oh, so like meatball, you know, where
Speaker:does that come from? But I give that one.
Speaker:I've done belly button. They
Speaker:have to find a way to get it.
Speaker:Can't just throw it out and just make it.
Speaker:It's got to you've got to find a logical
Speaker:way to get this word in
Speaker:there. So I'll give them the word.
Speaker:I'll give them the definition. And then I
Speaker:give them the little paper and I go, so
Speaker:you got to focus and you got to get this
Speaker:word somewhere in my
Speaker:story somewhere along the way.
Speaker:And I don't let them just get it in
Speaker:easily. They'll say, oh, he wants a
Speaker:meatball on his salad. No, no, no, no,
Speaker:no. That was way too easy.
Speaker:So I'll say no. And I'll turn that down
Speaker:to make him focus a little bit more to
Speaker:find a way to get the meatball in there
Speaker:or something in there.
Speaker:I got that from Karen Rowan. I really
Speaker:like that. And I use that. I'll hand
Speaker:these little cards out with these words
Speaker:when I'm greeting my kids at the door to
Speaker:have them, you know, especially I give
Speaker:out five, five a day to my kids that I
Speaker:know that lack focus, whether they are
Speaker:through ADHD kids or the kids who like to
Speaker:chat with their neighbors too much or
Speaker:whatever it might be where they're not
Speaker:going to be paying attention to me.
Speaker:I give them these words to help them stay
Speaker:focused because now they've got a goal.
Speaker:Their goal by the end of the period is
Speaker:and if they can get that word to work in
Speaker:naturally, I give them candy. You talk
Speaker:about bribing your kids. I bribed them
Speaker:with candy. So to do that. And I've also
Speaker:bribed my kids on parent teacher night.
Speaker:We do parent teacher night different in
Speaker:my school now. But before when it was me,
Speaker:I used to teach the story
Speaker:to my parents every night.
Speaker:And I said, if your parent volunteers to
Speaker:act in my story, I would give you a get
Speaker:out, get out of a drop of quiz pass.
Speaker:That's what I would do. So the kids would
Speaker:because I was so terrified. I wouldn't
Speaker:get parents to volunteer. I needed
Speaker:parents to volunteer to do the story.
Speaker:So I needed at least four parents. So I
Speaker:said, if you bring your parents in and
Speaker:they volunteer to act, then you get this
Speaker:coupon. And it was amazing because I got
Speaker:the parents to raise their hands. And so
Speaker:I got enough people to do it. And it was
Speaker:that was a good thing. So bribing does
Speaker:does absolutely work. Absolutely.
Speaker:Well, we're at our time. Do you have any
Speaker:final words you'd like to say, David?
Speaker:No, I think I've talked enough.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I mean, I don't know. Like, I mean, the
Speaker:biggest takeaway is I think of is TPRS,
Speaker:the whole process that blank came up with
Speaker:it works. And like, it works. And it's so
Speaker:it's so it's so blank,
Speaker:blank word effective.
Speaker:Yeah. And it is so effective. It's such an
Speaker:effective method. And my kids enjoy
Speaker:learning. I enjoy going to class and
Speaker:teaching. I take great pleasure in
Speaker:tweaking my PowerPoint every every summer
Speaker:to make it a little bit nicer for them.
Speaker:Or like today, prior to this, I was
Speaker:tweaking tomorrow's lesson to make sure
Speaker:my PowerPoint slides long. And so they're
Speaker:getting it. So I'm scaffolding with them.
Speaker:Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's the best
Speaker:method ever. It's it's saved my career.
Speaker:It saved mine too. And I agree. And I
Speaker:think it's most engaging and more fun for
Speaker:kids. Right now, I'm at a school where I
Speaker:am the only CI teacher.
Speaker:I took this job because I trained this
Speaker:school in CI. So when I took this job, I
Speaker:was gonna move from middle school to high
Speaker:school, I thought they were a CI school
Speaker:until I got there and then realize that
Speaker:they're not a CI school, they did not
Speaker:keep with the method.
Speaker:So I'm the only one. And so we've got
Speaker:this textbook. And so I just find ways to
Speaker:take my textbook because people keep
Speaker:saying TPRS is not a curriculum. It is a
Speaker:methodology. And I can apply it to
Speaker:anything. So I can take that vocab I have
Speaker:to teach in the grammar, I
Speaker:have to teach in my textbook.
Speaker:And I can apply it
Speaker:using CI methods and TPRS.
Speaker:Yep, that's exactly it. Exactly it. Yes.
Speaker:So that's a wrap on today's CI story with
Speaker:David Rice, you can see all the passion
Speaker:that he has for what he's doing, and how
Speaker:he came from a textbook
Speaker:warrior to a CI superhero.
Speaker:If his journey proves anything, it's that
Speaker:you don't need a cape or a Pinterest
Speaker:perfect bulletin board to make CI work.
Speaker:You just need to start.
Speaker:If you love this conversation, don't
Speaker:forget to check out the CI survival kit
Speaker:at mm.us slash survival. It's packed with
Speaker:ready to use tools and strategies that
Speaker:make your CI classroom run smoother, no
Speaker:magic wand required.
Speaker:And let's make sure you join us for the
Speaker:next CI story, where another teacher will
Speaker:share their wins, fails and everything in
Speaker:between. Until then, keep it
Speaker:comprehensible, keep it fun, and keep
Speaker:those stories rolling.