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Behind The Flag - Dennis Barela and Ken Adent EPISODE 1, 14th April 2020
GET IT RIGHT

GET IT RIGHT

Get It Right

Dennis Barela (1s):

Tonight we have, um, GET IT RIGHT and we're going to be going over pylon plays tonight for about 45 minutes or so Bob, if everyone can see my screen, last summer at front range Bob gave a presentation on this software and gave a pretty good class on goal line plays, which sold me on this, on the software to use for individual training.

Dennis Barela (39s):

But just as a brief, introduction, Bob's been a high school official since 2001 in Alabama, and has also a deep three position in Alabama, officiated district and state championship, been a instructor since 2013, he started Get It Right program in 2012 and he was designated by NASO as a game changer for high school football for officiating. Here are some of the partners that have backed him and his program;

Dennis Barela (1m 15s):

front range, battlefields to ball fields, and TASO.,

Bob Arnone (1m 29s):

Yeah,


Dennis Barela (1m 30s):

GET, IT RIGHT and all 50 States and 15 different countries. So I reached out to Bob who days go and ask them if he would be willing to give us a training session on the pylon plays to high school officials in New Mexico. And he was gracious enough to accept imitation and, and give us some of his, his, um, valuable time at night. Uh, is Dana on this? Yep.


Bob Arnone (2m 0s):

Dana, you want to say, if you want to say a few words, Dana. Um, yeah, but you have the floor.


Dana Pappas (2m 9s):

Um, nothing really, other than I just wanted to say thank you to Bob for his willingness to run through his presentation with you all. And I'm, I'm just going to sit here and probably take some notes and certainly if I think of anything I'll chime in Bob, thank you very much.


Dennis Barela (2m 26s):

Thanks Bob. I'm gonna go ahead and stop sharing my screen and the floor is yours. Okay.


Bob Arnone (2m 42s):

Okay. So we're going to get into the whole issue with a pylon simple little device sitting out there in the field, but, uh, it can drive you crazy sometimes if you're not watching out. Okay. So we start off with a positioning. Ah, so this is all listed in rule one dash two dash four. And you wanted to make sure that that pylon is sitting right there in that intersection of the sideline and the goal line about what I want to draw your attention to is what's happening back on the end line.


Bob Arnone (3m 16s):

And the Federation allows the pylon to be three feet off of the field, or it can be on the InLight itself. And, and What we'll do is we'll kind of scroll up here a little bit and you can see what those look like up there. Uh, so as a back judge, uh, lucidly here, uh, so as a back judge, I'll tend to watch for any time that those pylons are sitting up here, because what happens to you is imagine that there's a receiver that's running along that end line back there, and then he accidentally bumps into that pylon.


Bob Arnone (4m 2s):

And not it over according to two dash 21, two dash 29 dash one. That means that that player is now out of bounds. So now we have an illegal participation situation on our hands. So we really want to avoid that. So, uh, whoever winds up, putting those pylons out there, sometimes you just have dads there trying to help out and do their best. I always make it a point to move those pylons back off that end line, just to avoid anything like that.


Bob Arnone (4m 35s):

Uh, let's see you to get this thing to stop doing what it's doing there. Okay. Next thing I want to go to, I don't turn it off this pen. Uh,


4 (4m 51s):

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Bob Arnone (4m 59s):

Help me out here. How, how do I get rid of this?


Dennis Barela (5m 5s):

Um, I'm not sure how you got the pin to turn on, but there should be, um, a drop down box probably clicked with the graphics look better now than they did last year. Have you guys done improvement on it? It looks great.


Bob Arnone (5m 20s):

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, we continue to try to, to make those kinds of changes at all. Okay. I hope that okay. That got rid of markings. Great. Alright. Okay. So let's go back to what's happening down here at the, uh, Down here at the goal line, and we'll just jump right over the goal line extended. So you've always heard about runners holding the ball out and break it a plane.


Bob Arnone (5m 51s):

Well, here's that plane that everybody talks about? Uh, so the goal line is actually a, the plane of the goal line is actually on the front edge of the goal line there. And then it kind of gets back to the positioning of the pilot. So there's plane runs right across the front face of that pilot. Uh, so that makes it important to have that, uh, Right there. And also the goal land extends out beyond the pylon.


Bob Arnone (6m 21s):

So this can become a little bit of a tricky play here that we need to watch out. And I'll just run this through a step by step where it was, see this runner, dive, dive out there. And what we'll be able to see is he's out past the sideline, but that ball is breaking the plane of the goal line and he hasn't touched a pile on yet. Uh, so we can go ahead and move around and, and look at this just to see the kind of angle that we would have just to prove that point.


Bob Arnone (6m 54s):

So you can see the ball down here. Well, and the goal line there, and it's outside the pylon, what's important and determine what's going on here is it, the player has got to maintain contact inside the field of play in order for this to be a touchdown. So that's something that you have to watch out for there, which is gonna hit and play that up. I'm going to put this on a comparison mode and what's your say on the Right is he's diving out there.


Bob Arnone (7m 32s):

So the balls break and the plane of the goal line on the right side there, but there's no part of his body contacting the field of play. So on the left, where we do have contact with the player, touching the ground ball, breaking the plane of goal line extended, we have a touchdown here on the left, over here on the right side, we're going to wind up spotting the ball, just short of the goal line there. And we just have to make an estimate where he went out of bounds.


Bob Arnone (8m 3s):

And then that's where we'll put it. We can put this on play through, we'll move over to the position about where that wing official would be. And this is what he's going to say. That's not gonna be an easy call. And because he's watching for that goal line, aye, he's watching for the fact that he's got, uh, you know, 200 pounds of runner coming his direction. What's he going to do so now this is a good opportunity to think in your mind, don't go calling touchdown or anything like that yet, and then start talking to some other officials.


Bob Arnone (8m 44s):

So it was a back judge, if I don't have any action going on over here, that, and I need to worry about <inaudible>.


Dennis Barela (8m 59s):

I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead and mute your mic and turn your computer or cameras off please.


Bob Arnone (9m 11s):

And when that guy goes to dive, where I can help as a back judge, if I'm on pro turf, maybe I'll be able to say some of those pellets flying up there, or if I'm on natural grass, you know, we may want to go over there and talk to that wing official and look to see if there's any markings there and the dirt to determine whether or not you had a body part in the ground or not. So this is a good opportunity to work on your crew to make communications as well.


Bob Arnone (9m 42s):

One of the advantages that I Get It Right offers is really kind of playing out now in the situation that we all are in, that we can't get out there. I watch those spring practices participate in those scrimmages. Uh, so now you can get in some reps and see some of these situations you're really kind of tough to handle in real life anyway. So it gives you the opportunity to train your brain on what you need to be looking for.


Bob Arnone (10m 14s):

Let's go back to the pylon discussions here And again, the position up pile line. And it does two things. Number one, It establishes that a plane of the goal line, but it's also out of bounds. So you can have a situation here where that player is diving. You can see that as how much going to hit the pylon. The ball is tucked in up under his belly there, and then he hits the pilot.


Bob Arnone (10m 46s):

So at that point, uh, he's considered out of bounds. Uh, and then we had to make a determination of where that ball is. So that ball would be spotted again, shorter the goal line, back them up, what don't want to play through smooth move over to this wing position. So you can swing the camera. Something just happened to be there.


Dennis Barela (11m 17s):

Did you stop sharing your shot?


Bob Arnone (11m 20s):

Did it stop sharing? Yeah. And then let's find that screen share again.


Ken Adent (11m 30s):

Hey Bob, I love the graphic when you can clean and glass. It is so cool. Hey, your screens back. Does anybody have any questions right now while we're on the pause?


Bob Arnone (11m 45s):

Uh, say it again,


4 (11m 48s):

Just asking if any official questions while we're on a pause here. Okay.


Bob Arnone (11m 56s):

Okay. Yeah, one more. Okay. Okay. All right. So I have this. Am I going to know the shit who's up And I'll see you in the mind, or I think you're sharing your screen please.


4 (12m 27s):

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Bob Arnone (12m 51s):

Okay, good. Alright. We're going to get this play in. If it kills us here, let's go ahead. And now we got the wing officials, you, and then that's what he's going to see. So again, once that player contacts that pylon and he's considered out of bounds, and then we have to make a quick determination to determine where that ball is, the ball break the plane before he was out of bounds or not in this case. No. So we're going to go ahead and call that place, that ball shorter, the goal line Matter.


Bob Arnone (13m 28s):

And this is one that, uh, actually had happened to me a couple of years ago. I will get ahead and just kind of stepped through this one again, The the player is diving for that pylon. He's maintaining control of the ball. Now the ball is hitting that pilot. So two things happening there. Uh, the most important one is that ball is breaking the plane of the goal line. So that's going to be rolled to touchdown. Uh, even though the ball is also at the same time, going out across the, uh, other sideline there.


Bob Arnone (14m 5s):

So what's important here and what makes us different than go line extended here. As long as the ball is hitting that pilot line, we have ourselves a touchdown, even though that this guy is flying towards that, if he was trying to reach that ball outside the plan line, and then we'll dealing with what we were talking about for goal line extended And the comparison side And the RIGHT, you see that he's losing the losing control of the ball and you might, uh, and you know what happens, uh, if you lose control of the ball, going into the opponents, uh, and end zone, and then a ball hits the pylon and bounces on out.


Bob Arnone (14m 51s):

So now we're gonna, instead of a touchdown, that's going to be a touchback. And according to rule eight dash five dash three, Right actually eight dash five dash three. You see? So we'll go on and play through we'll move over here. What are selves generally in the position where that when official would be


5 (15m 15s):

Okay,


Bob Arnone (15m 25s):

And this is what they're going to say. So a lot of things, they just start going through that wing officials. Mine is that players coming towards that pylon, uh, what is he going to make? A lot of things is going to go through his mind there, you know, is he, is the player going to maintain control of the ball? Is he going to hit? The pylon is going to reach beyond the pylon. This is going to hit the Taiwan first, all those things are going to determine the outcome of that play.


Bob Arnone (15m 57s):

And then of course, if you've got your other crew that can help, uh, saying things from different angles, that's a good opportunity to communicate with them and make sure that, uh, uh, you call that play. Right. Okay. I'm going to, uh, show some quick changes that we did to the Get It Right program this year, uh, when we started off and we started doing all the roles in alphabetical order.


Bob Arnone (16m 29s):

So just like you're following an index in the rule book, that's one way that you can find a rule. A, we got a lot of it's more like w we had gotten a lot of requests about, uh, Hey, I need to give a class on the kicking game. Uh, which rules should I do? Well now you're trying to go through alphabetically and try to find what those are. Well, now we have the rule book view as we call it Right. So now we got all the 10 rules is laid out in the rule book there.


Bob Arnone (17m 1s):

And if you're giving a class on your kicking game, or if you just want to study the rules on a kicking game, and you go into rule six, you want to look at kickoff and other free text and section one, you go there, uh, you want to know what a popup kick looks like. You click on that, and it takes you right to the animation. And then here, you can see what that pop up kick looks like you to see books from there. We do the play through, and you have it for it.


Bob Arnone (17m 34s):

So those back judges or whoever you got up there on the on case rate, kick line, and then you have the opportunity to set up here, but put yourself in position of what that's going to look like and run that over and over and train your brain. So you understand what that, what that is it wasn't that quick hop. You got to call that bed. We did a comparison on this one, too. So on the right side, you're going to see the normal kind of pooch kick and kick it straight up into the air.


Bob Arnone (18m 9s):

And you can compare that what it looks like on the left or the pop up cake. So that's one of the benefits then of going into the rule book view. And then you can go back to the alphabetical view, whatever, whatever preference you may have, And those that, uh, and not seeing the program before we started off by building the mechanics module, uh, we started with crew sizes, have five and seven.


Bob Arnone (18m 40s):

And since that time we've expanded to three, four, five, 607 and understand that you all do a lot of five and for me, And so we can look at something like gold and going in most of the time when we're doing a training, we like using the bird's eye view, just because of, uh, It the way that it shows relative where all the officials are, where are they looking and what their field of focus on a beat, these green markers, tell you what your duties and responsibilities are at the beginning of the play at the snack, burn, the playing, and then what you do at the end, the quarterback.


Participant (19m 27s):

Oh, gentlemen.


Bob Arnone (19m 30s):

Yes, sir.


Participant (19m 31s):

Oh God. Uh, sir.


Bob Arnone (19m 38s):

Yes. Does that mean somebody have a question? Yes.


Participant (19m 41s):

Yes. Can you go, did you name a rule six and section one, correct? Right. Okay. I got it. I got IT go ahead and continue with, go ahead.


Bob Arnone (19m 53s):

Oh, okay. Um, okay. Now, one of the things that we tend to do when we're trying to teach new officials, uh, first of all, we gotta teach them not to watch the game, but then some of the language we use can sometimes be confusing. So what's going to happen in this play is to run. Who's going to go off to our RIGHT and we're going to tell The the wing officials over here, who's the, who's the linesman, uh, he's going to become the covering of fit. Shall we want him to have a tiger field of view and the line judge, over on the other side, he's going to do backside officiating.


Bob Arnone (20m 29s):

Uh, he needs to have a wider field of view. Well, when you're trying to say that to somebody new, what did they really hear? What did they understand? So what we do is we put those vision cones in motion. You can see how the crews functioning together and had to cover that play runners, coming to this side, you can see that vision come Get narrow for the linesman. And then the line judge has taken up this wider field of view.


Bob Arnone (21m 0s):

Now I can bring those back a little bit. And with this being and a three D mode, I can go over here and click on this line. And now we can save a play from his perspective on the field. And we have this spotlight effect around here that replicates what is happening with that vision count. So the runners coming here, you could see that a spotlight effect tightening up and kind of get into his mind that he needs to tighten up his field of you and watch us are coming in.


Participant (21m 32s):

Can you go to It


Bob Arnone (21m 35s):

Now we set this up that the runner did not score a touchdown. You just called this a little bit short, so you can watch this and a third person view, and then this is gold line going in. So we want the officials first move, going to the goal line. We can see what he's doing, he's short. So we sat on the call. And last year, when we changed to, uh, 42nd play clocks, we added in that, uh, you know, he's got the The ready going on there.


Bob Arnone (22m 10s):

So I'm the free camera. When we play this, you're going to see that the 42nd clock ahead and start to run it. So we got both the 45 and the 40 and the 25 second clock I implemented in the mechanics this year. And we did that last year. That's also synchronized with the game clock up there. I can privately click a couple seconds off and off of that. So everything is synchronized.


Bob Arnone (22m 40s):

Uh, and each one of these plates, we show a couple more positions on that plate. You can also go to your four man crew size, uh, when you're, what we use those for a lot of times is, and if you have to talk about the differences of who's doing what And a crew of four crew and crew second five on there, you can just toggle back and forth any place during the course of the play. And you can see what the, what the different positioning might be.


Dennis Barela (23m 16s):

Can you go back to that, Bob and show the view of the umpire on that crew of four versus five, please?


Bob Arnone (23m 26s):

Okay. And then we're going to start, we've got the glows are probably going to be about the same. Go ahead and let me see. We'll watch. Well, I can do this point. This is going ahead and turn all these guys off except for the umpire. And we can watch what he's looking at.


Ken Adent (23m 57s):

That's so cool. It is angled from the field view is his tunnel vision. There you go. There's no training tool that can substitute for this. This is fantastic.


Bob Arnone (24m 24s):

Yeah. When IT, uh, yeah, there's a lot that, uh, But there's a lot of things you can do with video, but then there are some things that I can show you here, and it would be tough to capture on a video. Anytime that the video guys want to get into an argument with me about what's real yesterday. I like to take them back here to the field goal. We'll go on to comparison side, play through.


Bob Arnone (24m 57s):

This is my view on a Friday night, watch the upright over here on the, on the right side. Well, you got, see it again


Participant (25m 14s):

Right over there. So


Bob Arnone (25m 21s):

That's the sort of thing that we can offer here, not just kicking off a playful. There's another one of those planes that line up on the inside of the upright. There is no good. So a, this is something that would be tough to catch on video. Uh, so we just go ahead and animated here. Uh, the final thing I want to get into is the evaluation module.


Bob Arnone (25m 52s):

Uh, we started working on this a few years ago. Uh, I've slowed down on it. A and so we could do other content and, and bring in some other technologies, but we'll pick up on pick up on this again. Soon, we've got seven scenarios built. Uh, this explains what the scenario is. Uh, we're going to have a double foul here, horse calling and targeting just like mechanics. You can change your crew sizes.


Bob Arnone (26m 24s):

I'd leave this in TV press box here. We try to build in some teaching scenarios. So we have a substitution is going to happen. So 1001, 1002, 1003. So we got the legal substitution there Back. Judge's finding keys and IT guys going in motion. We make sure that he's set. We have a backward pass. So this is an opportunity for The referee and the wing officials to talk about.


Bob Arnone (26m 59s):

Who's going to decide whether that's a backward pass or not. You have a second pass, it's intercepted inside the five yard line so we can decide if that's going to be a momentum issue or not. God decided to run back out. I'm going to click on to the referee as well. All that's going on, he's going to see that at the Flag in the air. I'm going to back up here a little bit, because while that's going on during the run back and of course, color or face masks, we have the horse collar.


Bob Arnone (27m 40s):

So we have an interception of run back targeting and then the horse collar. So what did we do with that? Exactly what we do when we're on the field, where did we start? Wherever we finish? What do we have? So we just started answering the question. We have a lot of ball, horse collar, 10 yard penalty. We have targeting lot ball, 15 yard penalty.


Participant (28m 10s):

Yes.


Bob Arnone (28m 11s):

And what are we going to do with that? So we offer up four options as to what their ruling could be. Uh, we put in, go back and watch the play over again, but really on a Friday night, that's not practical, but you can't get back out on the field. And as a teaching point, we always tell our officials, we want somebody covering the Flag. So this is where the horse caller occurred. This was where the targeting occurred. It looks like the runner is done on the field, but that's where the run ended.


Bob Arnone (28m 41s):

You can scroll in and see that we had first down, if you want to check the clock status, we got all that there. So we have all the information and we would have on a Friday night to figure out what we're going to do with all this. So we go back and we decide that a B's going to want to keep the ball. They're going to need to decline that penalty by a, this could be first and 10 from the 12 and a half, uh, you know, pirates like that. Uh, B nine is going get a check that clock's going to start to snap And referee magazine, uh, is allowing me to animate their guy.


Bob Arnone (29m 24s):

Uh, so that way we see the same official in the, in the rule books and the magazines. And now you see them on here. And not only do we need to know what the signals are for horse power and targeting, but what's this proper sequence of signals we need to have, but this particular scenario. So we decided see as the Right one and we hit finished, and then we find out that I got an 83 on this. I'm going to go back. I got this right. But just to make sure that, that I didn't guess on it.


Bob Arnone (29m 56s):

And now I have a rule reference that takes me back into the goal book. They explained fly. That's the correct answer. It's easier to learn this way. I go back again. This is where the targeting was. So it's a 15 yard Kony. I can verify that here. And you just, by going back and verifying where it is, I go back one lore, and this is the one that I got wrong. I marked it as a 10 yard penalty. I should have been a 15 yard penalty if I want to argue with that rule book or with a computer.


Bob Arnone (30m 32s):

I just click here to take me back in the rule book. And it shows me where that is. So again, we just have seven scenarios. And even though you eventually figure out what the correct The interests are, what you can use this for. So then get into all those. What if scenario, like what if that targeting occurred before the interception, when now you're going to wind up with offsetting file. So you can talk through all those types of things. Uh, what if momentum did come into, into play there?


Bob Arnone (31m 5s):

What would happen then? And just kind of go through all those sorts of things. So those are some of the advantages that, uh, uh, that we try to offer here is we build these scenarios. That's all I had, uh, as far as a plan discussions are ready to take any kind of questions you all have.


Participant (31m 25s):

You're welcome. That's this? You're like, yeah. What'd he say,


Bob Arnone (31m 35s):

I'll stop sharing for the time being,


Brad Bock (31m 41s):

Hey, Bob, Brad Bach here, I saw that, uh, it was yours. Was the, uh, NF H S uh, 2020. Is that, that's your latest version? Um, is that incorporate new rules that they've come out with, or that they've incorporated?


Bob Arnone (31m 59s):

Uh, yes. Uh, we've got The, uh, really the only thing that, uh, the only new animation we had to do was The, uh, you can now be in a shotgun formation and, and, and start doing intentional grounding. Uh, so we've got that animation built in there. Yep. Yes. I think some of the other changes that came out that's coming out this year are predominantly a administrative sort of things are things that, uh, uh, we wouldn't need to animate to, to get the point across yet.


Bob Arnone (32m 39s):

Obviously this


Ken Adent (32m 40s):

Is a great teaching, uh, program. What is the, what's the feedback are you getting are most, uh, you know, States using this to teach their rookies all the way through, you know, advanced officials or tell us more about the feedback you're getting?


Bob Arnone (32m 55s):

Yeah, that's, uh, uh, yeah, at the very beginning, uh, most of the folks that were buying it, or some of the senior instructors with the intent of, uh, using it to teach, not only rookies, but, uh, also the use in their associations and districts and in such, um, you know, as I talked to other instructors, you know, we've, we've gone through the same thing year after year after year, and what, what can I do to help, uh, you know, bring my presentation up to the next level?


Bob Arnone (33m 31s):

What kind of PowerPoint can I use? What kind of videos can not find, and the flattening that this really helps a whole lot sit there and explain things in more detail. Uh, and so folks will use the videos to show, you know, a pylon play or something like that. And it's, you're trying to explain all the different things that can happen. Uh, then they can go to the Get It Right program, uh, where we stepped through, uh, you know, step by step like I did tonight, and also show those different angles to show what it's going to look like on the field.


Bob Arnone (34m 7s):

Um, North Carolina this year, uh, in fact, we just processed a credit card yesterday. Uh, there are other first state to, by this, uh, program statewide, uh, and, uh, they bought licenses for all their, uh, uh, association, the nine different associations. They have a state and some additional licenses that they can pass down to, uh, some of their larger organizations, uh, uh, that, that works very well for me because, uh, uh, it gives me the kind of visibility that I'm looking for, that, uh, when other officials seen this in action, uh, they, they want to buy a copy for themselves.


Bob Arnone (34m 51s):

So, so that's how we start progressing in that direction. Um, the, uh, uh, a lot of the rookies are resonating to this, uh, uh, especially the younger folks that are used to playing Madden football. I, uh, more visual learners than what most, or, uh, I mean, if you ever read the definition of a back, you know, my gosh, it's, uh, I, you kind of wonder who, who put all those words together?


Bob Arnone (35m 23s):

Well, actually as a lawyer, but, uh, it's, it's hard reading, but now we can show, show what that really is, what it looks like on the field. You explain what a plane is. Some people get confused and what a plane going through waist of the snapper really means. Uh, and now we can show all that, um, you get into something like the free blocking zone and, and all the different variations of what can have happened in there, uh, by animating that, uh, and giving somebody the available ability to see it visually.


Bob Arnone (35m 57s):

Uh, and that's where a lot of people really get excited about what we offer. And, Oh, by the way, we're relatively inexpensive. It's just 69 99 for the year. And once you buy that, you own it and it doesn't expire. Yes. Well, why don't you buy it? You own it. Uh, now what we do is, uh, long about a Thanksgiving is when we, we released the new, you know, the fall on Thanksgiving this year, I'll released the 20, 21 programs.


Bob Arnone (36m 32s):

Um, and, and even though it's all still the same content that gives me the baseline of something to start adding more content to. Um, but as long as you've got the 2020 program loaded on your laptop, you know, it's yours forever, but if you take it off the laptop, uh, I probably, I usually take, uh, the old programs off of my server, uh, around February just to save server space.


Bob Arnone (37m 1s):

And, uh, you just can't download it again after that. Uh, but at that point, you, and you get the, the new version and any updates and changes that we make turret during the course of the year. You get all those for free.


Dennis Barela (37m 18s):

Thanks, Bob, does anybody else have any questions about what we covered about pylon, about the rules, about anything that Bob could answer for you?


Bob Arnone (37m 32s):

I didn't say anything that anybody thought was wrong. Did I,


Participant (37m 36s):

How many people didn't know what goal line extended was? Yeah. The did anybody know what the difference was between the goal line extended? Was that something new for people? Or we heard that terminology before.


Bob Arnone (37m 51s):

I've spoken to pleasure clinics, uh, last year. And, uh, uh, one of the segments was rules that pro you probably didn't know about. And I just threw that one in there just to try to fill in time. And man they're there, the coaches went nuts. Never heard about anything like that. Before. There you go.


Dennis Barela (38m 15s):

There you go. Dana, do you have anything to add?


Dana Pappas (38m 20s):

I don't know. It was, that's really cool. I just kind of want to, I kind of want to play with it, but it looks awesome. Bob, I do have a question because these are the questions that I have to ask you. You said it was 69, 95 per year. Is that per like local or how does that work?


Bob Arnone (38m 37s):

That's per license. Okay. So, so, so what, what happens there and aye, aye, use this wherever you want. Um, a lot of people say, well, can I use it when I'm teaching a large group? Absolutely. Uh, and that license can be moved from one computer to the next. Uh, we put that in there because I know I've got clients that, uh, may have it on their work computer, and then they want to go home and, and use their home computer. And I didn't want them to have to buy two licenses to do that.


Bob Arnone (39m 10s):

Uh, so we have a reset function that's associated with license number that you can move from one laptop to the next, and you can go from PC to Mac as well. Um, I guess I should say also that, uh, we do have an iPad and an Android version. I do not control those. Uh, so if you prefer an iPad, you buy that through Apple. No, I, but, uh, it won't work on your laptop and vice versa. So it's a completely different operating system, but we do have that, uh, out there on the, in the Apple store and the Google play store.


Dana Pappas (39m 49s):

Oh, that's awesome. I mean, knowing how much, a lot of the programs, cost and training, training components cost that is extremely low cost. So thank you for that.


Bob Arnone (40m 3s):

Yeah. It's a, I know Dana that you don't have a budget that's out of this world and,


Dana Pappas (40m 10s):

And especially not now.


Bob Arnone (40m 14s):

And, uh, and then even as much as we like getting our gate checks and things like that, it's still a discretionary kind of a purchase. And, you know, we want to try to make this affordable, especially to rookies that are coming in, they're buying their uniforms and all that kinda stuff. And I hate to hit them with, uh, you know, some people say that should charge more for this, but this is not a money grab. I'm just trying to help. We want to try to bring in more officials.


Bob Arnone (40m 44s):

And if we just had cost on top of it, it's just another reason for them not to join.


Dana Pappas (40m 50s):

No, that's fantastic. As you well know in this industry, there are some thing, this is where you like the price tag, and just kind of know that The the new official isn't gave able to afford it nor would state association. So to have such a low cost offering is, um, is commendable. So thank you for thank you for industry. And it's something that people can actually afford and use those as a tool.


Bob Arnone (41m 13s):

And we offer bulk discounts and things like that. So I, uh, I've got some standing discounts. Once you start buying at least 11 and you get a 10% discount, you get a 20, when you hit 15, when you get up to 51 and then 20% after that, uh, after you hit a hundred, but I've been flexible on that. And just trying to help the States if they want to try to buy a lot of licenses and push them on down,


Dana Pappas (41m 42s):

That's appreciated. Thank you. Um, thank you again for taking the time with our officials tonight. We appreciate that. And, uh, I know everybody's kind of looking for, looking for stuff to do, and at this point, as it relates to officiating, and so we really appreciate you taking the time and availing yourself to us.


Dennis Barela (41m 59s):

My pleasure anytime. Thanks, Bob. Thank you, Bob. And just to remind our Saturday, um, if you haven't heard, we have a, another webinars Saturday morning, 10 o'clock Lang Clark, newly promoted to NFL referee will be on talking, uh, probably philosophy. I understand. So make sure you don't miss that. If you want to listen to one of our own, um, New Mexico officials from Albuquerque that made it all the way to the top. That's great.


Dennis Barela (42m 30s):

All right. Thanks Bob. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Bye y'all have a good season whenever it finally starts. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks everyone for joining. Thank you, Dana, for, for, uh, for listening and, and, and, um, allowing us to do this.


Dana Pappas (42m 49s):

Of course. Thank you guys for getting this put together and appreciate it.


Bob Arnone (42m 55s):

Right? Take care.