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John Lovell, founder of Warrior Poet Society, joins State of the Second to make a direct case that the fights gun owners care about are being lost upstream, in the culture, before they ever reach politics. He describes Warrior Poet Society as a values based community of people committed to defending others, built around two archetypes: the warrior and the poet. He explains why he started capturing emails and building his own website and training brand from day one, because an audience that lives only on YouTube can be loaned out, throttled, and taken away. He frames big tech censorship as a deliberate strategy to quarantine dissenting voices and slowly reprogram audiences using algorithms and artificial intelligence, rather than cutting people off outright and creating martyrs.
The heart of the episode is a blunt charge to the silent majority. Lovell argues that waiting for a hero or champion in the public arena to rescue you is not working, and that real change only happens when ordinary, self censored people start speaking, drawing lines, and demanding their rights back. He warns that standing for freedom will cost you, says it has already cost him a fortune, and tells listeners plainly that staying silent in serious times is cowardice. The hosts connect this to GOA's long held definition of a gun rights activist as someone who takes personal responsibility both in the use of their firearms and in the defense of the right to own them, and to the grassroots work of comments, calls, lobby days, and lawsuits that moves the needle.
From there the conversation turns to schooling, where Lovell is most forceful. He urges parents to get their kids out of government schools, prefers homeschooling, and warns that many private schools run a similar government school curriculum and learning model with a code of conduct and a chapel service added on. He shares that he and his wife were reluctant homeschoolers who moved into a smaller apartment and went into debt to become a single income family, and he teaches at Great Homeschool Conventions around the country. The episode also covers constitutional carry wins in South Carolina and Louisiana, his view that all gun permits are infringements on the Second Amendment, ATF overreach on pistol braces and bump stocks, the need to enjoy freedom in order to fuel the fight for it, and his reading recommendations, led by reading the Bible every day, plus fiction from Steven Pressfield and Jack Carr and the novel Ben-Hur.
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Questions this episode answers
Why did John Lovell start building an email list and his own website instead of relying on YouTube?
Lovell built his own website, training brand, and email list from day one because an audience that lives only on YouTube can be loaned out, throttled, or taken away. He argues that without captured emails you do not actually own your audience.
How does John Lovell describe big tech's strategy for handling voices it disagrees with?
He frames censorship as a deliberate effort to quarantine dissenting voices rather than cut them off outright, which would create martyrs. He believes platforms use algorithms and artificial intelligence to slowly reprogram audiences over time.
What advice does John Lovell give the silent majority about how to combat the culture war?
Lovell says waiting for a hero or champion in the public arena to rescue you does not work, and that change only comes when ordinary, self-censored people start speaking, drawing lines, and demanding their rights back. He warns that staying silent in serious times is cowardice.
Why does John Lovell tell parents to take their kids out of government schools?
He urges parents to pull their children from government schools and prefers homeschooling, arguing the culture is lost upstream of politics, before fights ever reach the ballot box. As he puts it, government schools are not free because they cost you your kids.
Are private schools a real alternative to public schools in John Lovell's view?
Not necessarily. Lovell warns that many private schools run a similar government school curriculum and learning model, just with a code of conduct and a chapel service added on top.
What sacrifices did John Lovell and his wife make to homeschool their kids?
He says he and his wife were reluctant homeschoolers who moved into a smaller apartment and went into debt to become a single-income family. He now also teaches at Great Homeschool Conventions around the country.
What does John Lovell believe about constitutional carry and gun permits under the Second Amendment?
Lovell holds that all gun permits are infringements on the Second Amendment, so he treats any permit requirement as a violation of the right itself. The episode also covers constitutional carry wins in South Carolina and Louisiana.
What books does John Lovell recommend, and why does he push fiction so hard?
He leads with reading the Bible every day, then recommends fiction from Steven Pressfield and Jack Carr and the novel Ben-Hur. Lovell is also the author of "The Warrior Poet Way," which he describes as a national bestseller.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Welcome and who John Lovell is
- 01:46 — Taking on censorship head on
- 02:20 — Capture emails or you have no audience
- 04:35 — Why he turned on the camera
- 07:14 — Culture is upstream of politics
- 10:35 — Advice to the silent majority
- 13:31 — Speak up before we lose our country
- 16:12 — GOA's definition of a gun rights activist
- 18:34 — Government schools and homeschooling
- 22:55 — What it cost to become a single income family
- 28:33 — Schools and the war on boys
- 35:11 — Take back communities, family first
- 36:21 — Constitutional carry and gun permits
- 44:48 — Enjoy freedom to fuel the fight
- 45:55 — Read to lead: book recommendations
- 50:55 — Where to find Warrior Poet Society
About the guest
John Lovell is the founder of Warrior Poet Society, which he started about seven or eight years ago as a values based community of people committed to defending others and to becoming, in his words, fully warriors and fully poets. He leads a training organization inside Warrior Poet Society that runs in person pistol and rifle training around the country, and he speaks at events and publishes YouTube videos. He says he has a former background in training all kinds of fighting and military. He and his wife homeschool their children and teach at Great Homeschool Conventions in multiple states, and he is the author of "The Warrior Poet Way," which he describes as a national bestseller. He attended both public school and private school.
Key quotes
"If you don't capture emails, you don't have an actual audience." — John Lovell
"If you don't gain some ground in the culture war, you end up in a physical war later on." — John Lovell
"It's not the hero in the limelight that's going to be the champion for you." — John Lovell
"You can't be a good man and a coward at the same time. You have to speak." — John Lovell
"Government schools are not free. They cost you your kids." — John Lovell
"All gun permits are infringements on the Second Amendment." — John Lovell
"It's better to stand up than to stay quiet." — John
Transcripts
Welcome to Gun Owners of America's State of the Second podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Kaylee Today we're here with John Lovell from Warrior Poet Society.
Speaker B:How are you today, John?
Speaker C:I'm doing well, man, thanks for having me on.
Speaker B:So for people who may not know who you are, go ahead and give a little bit of backstory about who you are, what Warrior Poet Society is all about and kind of a brief introduction.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker C:Warrior Poet Society is a movement I founded seven, eight years ago, something like that.
Speaker C:Basically we're folks who are committed to defending others.
Speaker C:We live for our purpose, ready to sacrifice in the defense of others.
Speaker C:We desire to be fully warriors and fully poets.
Speaker C:So we lean into those two different archetypes.
Speaker C:And so we're on, we're on that kind of Warrior Poet way, our own journey into being better, stronger men, protectors, husbands, fathers, workers.
Speaker C:And so that is, we're basically a values based community.
Speaker C:Now to that end especially the protection, one will lean into physical security.
Speaker C:And so firearms security protection kind of stuff is definitely in our wheelhouse.
Speaker C:I have a former background in that of training all kinds of just different fighting and military.
Speaker C:And now we lead a training organization as well which is inside Warrior Poet Society.
Speaker C:So we're doing in person pillars, pistol rifle training all over the country and I'm doing speaking events and YouTube videos while they censor us.
Speaker C:Crazy.
Speaker C:But yeah, we're doing all the things we're having fun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you have kind of taken on the challenges of censorship head on.
Speaker A:So you have the Warrior Poet Society network that is actively combating that and offering an alternative.
Speaker A:How do you come to that business decision or was it a moral decision over a business decision to launch the network?
Speaker C:It's a bit of all it has to do with just having the courage and strategic wherewithal to know exactly where you are on a given battlefield.
Speaker C:This being metaphorical big tech land.
Speaker C:When I first got on social media and YouTube, this is, you know, years and years ago, I looked around and I realized, ah, I don't think these people actually like us.
Speaker C:I don't think we're welcome here.
Speaker C:And so with that I thought, well, if I have this terrain now, I would like to borrow my social media space to build something that is permanent.
Speaker C:So since the very, very beginning, day seven is eight years ago, I've been obsessed with creating a website, creating a training brand and being able to capture emails.
Speaker C:If you don't capture emails, you don't have an actual audience.
Speaker C:YouTube has an audience and they may or may not loan them to you for the purposes of their ad revenue collection.
Speaker C:But censorship was something that I knew was coming down the pipeline.
Speaker C:When it happened, it didn't surprise me.
Speaker C:I was ready for it.
Speaker C:And then it started happening a little bit more each year, four years.
Speaker C:And so the idea is their plan and it's been this way, it's been in action for many years now.
Speaker C:It's to see an antithetical worldview.
Speaker C:Somebody that is the opposite of their ideological line.
Speaker C:The left controls all of big tech now with the exception of X.
Speaker C:And their idea is to quarantine us like a virus and then they slowly choke us out of existence.
Speaker C:So the thought is, is, oh well, no one's really just interested in your content and they'll let you have some wins here and there.
Speaker C:Every once in a while you'll post a video or something and it'll do well and they'll let you have that one win.
Speaker C:And then the next few are bad and they're going to continue to collect revenue.
Speaker C:If they cut you off altogether, they make martyrs of us.
Speaker C:There's public outrage, there's outcry, then another platform is able to bump up.
Speaker C:So the idea is, is they don't want to just cut me or people like me off and therefore take all of our following, incite them to upset and then go up.
Speaker C:Note, they would rather engage in changing people's mind, opinions, desires and interests slowly over time.
Speaker C:So they are slowly, subtly, with the use of all kinds of algorithms and artificial intelligence, they are changing the minds of the people that are tuning to not care as much about the good old warrior poet ethos and traditional masculinity and the good sacred brotherhood of protectors.
Speaker C:And so that's what it, what's going on?
Speaker B:Yeah, and you know, they, they censor us, they push us down.
Speaker B:They, like you said, they quarantine us.
Speaker B:You started this seven, eight years ago.
Speaker B:What made you want to turn on the camera?
Speaker B:There's a lot of people who.
Speaker A:Feel.
Speaker B:The same way, but have this discouragement from being, you know, censored and going, well, my voice is not going to be heard.
Speaker B:What made you want to turn on the camera and let your voice be heard and push it out and build this society and group of people who are like minded.
Speaker C:If I had like kind of a personal motto or maybe one of my handful of personal mottos, the kind of way I'm built, I want to communicate for life, change.
Speaker C:I'm a dude on a journey.
Speaker C:I'm trying to grow better to the glory of God, year after year.
Speaker C:And I would really like to take some other folks on that journey with me.
Speaker C:And so I'm on this warrior poet path.
Speaker C:I'm inviting other people on.
Speaker C:I think we're forces for good in the world.
Speaker C:I think it would do immense good for all the dudes listening in if you would become more and more one of us.
Speaker C:And your wives would feel that change.
Speaker C:So would your kids, so would those in workplaces, neighborhoods.
Speaker C:Everyone would grow if you grew first.
Speaker C:And that's how I feel about myself as well.
Speaker C:Of.
Speaker C:I. I want to.
Speaker C:I want to be a man on fire for the things that matter the most.
Speaker C:I want to be brave, courageous, righteous, virtuous.
Speaker C:I want all those things.
Speaker C:And so recognizing that we are in, as we were talking about before, censorious landscape, we've got to be able to have the courage to recognize the.
Speaker C:The times that we're in and to figure out how to strategically forge our way forward so that we're even with our great and illustrious, noble and good ideals and values.
Speaker C:If you don't gain some ground in the culture war, you end up in a physical war later on.
Speaker C:And that's.
Speaker C:That's icky.
Speaker C:We don't want that.
Speaker C:And so it's not.
Speaker C:It's not okay to just run a good, clean game.
Speaker C:You want to play to win as well.
Speaker C:And so you got to be smart and brave enough to see the terrain around you and figure out how to navigate it for the win.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And for so long, it was people in politics, people who claim to be the leaders.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Said we don't need to participate in the culture war.
Speaker A:And so what did we do?
Speaker A:We let the culture dictate what they thought firearm ownership looked like.
Speaker A:They got to dictate everything about owning and being able to defend yourself and protecting yourself and your family.
Speaker A:But we all know the truth, that politics is up or culture is upstream of politics, and politics is upstream of the individual.
Speaker A:So unless the individuals are willing to influence culture, we're not able to secure any sort of win because we're fighting the effect and not the cause.
Speaker C:That's great.
Speaker C:I agree with that.
Speaker C:I was thinking this morning that if you don't use it, you lose it kind of thing.
Speaker C:Second Amendment, I'm kind of like, oh, well, I'm not really carrying a gun.
Speaker C:I don't care much about the second Amendment.
Speaker C:So you don't engage, you don't fight for other people able to.
Speaker C:Whatever rights that we're not using and protecting, they will be eaten up by bureaucratic tyrants.
Speaker C:Seeking more and more control.
Speaker C:It's easy for us to cede ground to tyrants because most good people just want to be left alone, go about their lives, you know, hang out with the family and go about your work and they just want to be able to be homeward oriented or work and whatever else where tyrants are never okay to just live and let live.
Speaker C:They're not going to be like, oh, you do your thing, I'll do my.
Speaker C:No, tyrants are coming after you.
Speaker C:That's part of what the definition is.
Speaker C:They're coming for you.
Speaker C:They're going to take everything they possibly can.
Speaker C:It's the story as old as fallen humanity.
Speaker C:And so rest assured, they are coming for you.
Speaker C:And while we may tuck our families in the night and we sleep, their lust for taking power never does.
Speaker C:And so they're always engaging in the culture war where a lot of times we don't, we don't engage until we're provoked.
Speaker C:It's kind of like, whoa, whoa, wait, what is happening in our schools?
Speaker C:Oh, we got to do something about that.
Speaker C:When I get off work and I get free of this big project, I'm going to get, I'm going to throw my hat in the ring and I'm going to do something about it.
Speaker C:And then we have a big push when things get really, really bad and pull us out of our, our, our normal rhythms of life.
Speaker C:And so we're not as aggressive to gain as some of the tyrannical ones or a lot of people on the left.
Speaker C:Well, yeah, they have time to engage in the culture war.
Speaker C:They don't have jobs.
Speaker C:They're, they're sucking off the government teat.
Speaker C:They're taking our tax dollars, paying the left and all these woke, ucla, Berkeley, worthless, you know, degree college kids are, you know, in, in every blue hair like them.
Speaker C:They're not gainfully employed.
Speaker C:They have nothing to do except inhale huge swaths of social media and news propaganda and be mobilized against freedom in the culture war.
Speaker B:Yeah, we like to talk a lot about how the silent majority is now being awoken and trying to combat this, this culture war.
Speaker B:If you could give advice to the silent majority, what would you say?
Speaker B:How do we combat this culture war?
Speaker B:Because a lot of us are very introverted.
Speaker B:We want to have our guns, we want to have our land, we want to have our life.
Speaker B:We want to teach our kids the right way, but we want to be left alone.
Speaker B:And that's a big thing with our group of people.
Speaker B:How do we get our voice heard?
Speaker B:How do we Push and go.
Speaker B:Hey, we're tired of being pushed around.
Speaker B:It's now time to stand up and move.
Speaker B:Either move our feet or move our voice.
Speaker C:The idea is, is someone else will be your hero and champion.
Speaker C:And that can, a lot of times you'll, you'll think something, you'll see it, you won't like it.
Speaker C:You'll tune in to folks you know, you have your favorite folk, your whatever crews and podcast or YouTube videos and be like, they're saying it and I want them to like, good comment.
Speaker C:Then you talk about it with some people that already really agree with you.
Speaker C:And the idea is our hero and our champion in the public arena will rescue us.
Speaker C:But that is not working.
Speaker C:And in fact, our voices are shrinking as we are put more and more into our little own shadow band, echo chambers on social media.
Speaker C:And maybe we'll get a lot of likes and maybe we'll get a lot of views, but it'll all be from people that already agree with us.
Speaker C:And even that audience is closing in as remember, our silent majority is hemorrhaging followers as we are being subtly reprogrammed.
Speaker C:People kind of on the fringes that are almost moderates will be sucked into moderates and in a few years they'll be lefties.
Speaker C:And that's because the most powerful mind control mechanism ever conceived of by man, artificial intelligence, which is being employed for years now through highly sophisticated algorithms, is quite literally reprogramming people.
Speaker B:People.
Speaker C:And so you can be a silent majority for now, but our majority will continue to shrink more and more as people are reprogrammed.
Speaker C:Now at the same time, that kind of counter revolution of thought is, is coming up.
Speaker C:And silent majority people who have been silent are starting to speak more and more.
Speaker C:And that's absolutely critical.
Speaker C:And I'm arriving at that point right now.
Speaker C:But that silent majority is becoming so upset and provoked, they're starting to speak out.
Speaker C:And I'm like, now this is actually where we gain the real.
Speaker C:It's not the hero in the limelight that's going to be the champion for you.
Speaker C:It's every single person who is self censored, who is listening in right now.
Speaker C:It's when you all start speaking, drawing lines in the sand and demanding your rights and your country back.
Speaker C:That's when actual change happens.
Speaker C:That's it.
Speaker C:And so this is going to sting.
Speaker C:I want everyone to brace themselves.
Speaker C:If you're part of the silent majority, speak up, you coward, before we lose our country.
Speaker C:And I mean that in a very loving way.
Speaker C:We have to start speaking.
Speaker C:Guys, you can't just let somebody else do it for you.
Speaker C:And if you stand for freedom in an age of obvious tyranny and wickedness, you're going to be hated for it.
Speaker C:And the fight for freedom is going to cost you something.
Speaker C:Personally, I know for me, I have lost a fortune, quite literally a fortune in this fight already.
Speaker C:And people don't know that.
Speaker C:People don't see that and they don't know what we do behind the scenes and they don't know the cost of a lot of the things that I say and, and the things that we do.
Speaker C:And that's unfortunate, but I mean, if I say such and such, I'm going to get censored and that's going to hit the bank account and that's going to hurt the movement.
Speaker C:And I'm kind of like, yeah, but I can't, I can't not speak.
Speaker C: gnize the, the words of Plato: Speaker C:No one is hated as much as he who speaks the truth.
Speaker C:And so if you're going to speak the truth, people hate you for it.
Speaker C:Now we become such passive, weak men and women that we are ready to people, please at all costs.
Speaker C:We don't want to upset anyone.
Speaker C:We don't want to make an awkward family meeting.
Speaker C:We don't want our job to, to docs or I mean to dock our pay at all.
Speaker C:Or, or we want, we want freedom without any type of personal cost.
Speaker C:We'll let the founders bleed and die for us and we'll salute them from across the centuries.
Speaker C:But absolutely not am I going to give up anything to continue freedom for my kids.
Speaker C:The silent majority.
Speaker C:Many.
Speaker C:Whoever is silent in such evil, wicked times is not a good man.
Speaker C:You can't be a good man and a coward at the same time.
Speaker C:You have to speak.
Speaker C:And you do have a voice.
Speaker C:And in fact, you're the best person to, to reach those around you, your friends and your family.
Speaker C:And I'm not telling you to do anything that I haven't done myself.
Speaker C:And it's cost me and it's going to cost you too.
Speaker C:But the result is to cowardly seed our country and our children's future to a really wicked neo Marxist movement that despises you and has liberty in a chokehold which we won't survive from.
Speaker C:You have to stand up.
Speaker A:No, I completely agree with what you're saying.
Speaker A:And I think it's why Goa is always been friends with Warrior poet and the entire movement that you're Doing is because we've had a definition of a gun rights activist since our founding.
Speaker A:And it's someone who takes personal responsibility, not only in the use of their firearms, but in the defense of their right to own them.
Speaker A:And that personal responsibility is an intimate action that each gun owner takes the moment that they decide to purchase that firearm.
Speaker A:And it's something that we all understand, we all know, and it's why we go and we get training and we get training from different people.
Speaker A:It's why we invest and then invest some more and invest some more in the purchasing of those tools.
Speaker A:But the advocacy side is how we protect not only the status quo, but we want to see a restoration in our rights.
Speaker A:I want nothing more than for my kids and my grandkids to know freedom and more freedom than I currently have.
Speaker A:And it's why I get up every day and I come to work, and it's why everyone at GOA gets up every day and comes to work.
Speaker A:And we were privileged to get to do this for a living.
Speaker A:But the individuals that submit comments to the ATF and to the Department of the Interior and to all of their bureaucracies, it's the people that send the emails, 10 lobby days, it's the people who pick up the phone and call their representative.
Speaker A:Those are the people that unleash the power of what we say.
Speaker A:We're a grassroots gun lobby that uses the grassroots as our primary form and function to actually move the needle forward.
Speaker A:And that's how we've been able to see success.
Speaker A:Never doubt yourself is, I think, the most critical thing that I want people to take away from this is it's all about you.
Speaker A:For the first time ever, you can truly say, it's all about me.
Speaker A:And I have the power to speak up and stand up and no one's gonna do it for me.
Speaker C:I think that's good.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker A:So I know that you all are a big homeschooling family.
Speaker A:I, I think you just spoke, if I'm not mistaken, at the big homeschooling convention.
Speaker A:And we're seeing a lot of attacks on the Second Amendment in schools.
Speaker A:They're wanting to remove hunter education, which in many cases is an on ramp for people to understand the Second Amendment, understand firearm safety.
Speaker A:There was a little boy in Alabama recently that was, you know, on the playground and used finger pistols and was suspended.
Speaker A:From the parent perspective, what is an encouraging word?
Speaker A:What is the landscape as you see it?
Speaker A:How do we pass freedom forward to the next generation that we're raising right now?
Speaker C:One is you can take your kids back from the government.
Speaker C:That's probably the greatest thing that you could do to ensure that your kids actually stay with you for life.
Speaker C:Meaning they're going to like you after they become adults.
Speaker C:They're going to agree with your values.
Speaker C:They're not going to wreck their lives.
Speaker C:They're not going to come out confused about all kinds of just basic things like gender, marriage, sexuality, common sense, taxation, protection, just some basic things.
Speaker C:You send them to the government and the government is going to brainwash them slowly.
Speaker C:I'm the oldest of the millennial generation, and even before all the weird trans, LGBTQ blah, blah, blah are, my generation walked away from my parents generation values completely.
Speaker C:And so even before all the drag queen story hour stuff, they were still doing enough day in, day out at the public schools to literally steal our entire millennial generation away from the values of our parents.
Speaker C:You raised in church, great.
Speaker C:Eight or nine out of 10 kids raised in church, once they went to college, would walk away from their Christian values and not return.
Speaker C:It's 80 to 90% success rate that the government was having.
Speaker C:Incredible.
Speaker C:You're sending your kids to the government to educate.
Speaker C:That's what a public school is.
Speaker C:And in my day, coming up, you know, many years ago in the 80s and 90s, it was really bad.
Speaker C:Now it is incomprehensibly bad.
Speaker C:Do whatever you can.
Speaker C:Get them out of government schools immediately.
Speaker C:You have no idea the horrific damage being done to your kid.
Speaker C:And you'd be like, oh, no, not my.
Speaker C:That is such horse crap.
Speaker C:In one day.
Speaker C:I do not want to be able to talk to any of you listening in and have to say, I told you so.
Speaker C:I wouldn't want to.
Speaker C:You have no idea the irreparable damage being done to your children at government schools right now.
Speaker C:Get them out, get them out, get them out.
Speaker C:Go into horrible debt if you must.
Speaker C:Do whatever you can.
Speaker C:Get them out of government schools.
Speaker C:I'd prefer you home, homeschool.
Speaker C:Some folks will say, ah, private school.
Speaker C:A lot of private schools are a government school curriculum and and learning model, but they just add a code of conduct and a chapel service.
Speaker C:It's actually not doing too much different.
Speaker C:Homeschooling is the way to go.
Speaker C:So my wife and I are teaching at homeschool conferences right now.
Speaker C:We just did Great Homeschool Convention, SC 1.
Speaker C:Today I'll be heading up to Missouri to teach at the great home school convention in Missouri.
Speaker C:Also, Ohio, California and Texas are coming down the pipeline.
Speaker C:My wife and I were really Reluctant homeschool parents.
Speaker C:We didn't grow up with that.
Speaker C:My wife and I were the products of public school and private school.
Speaker C:I went to both.
Speaker C:And so the idea that we would ever homeschool was absolutely foreign.
Speaker C:That's something that weird people do.
Speaker C:That is not.
Speaker C:That's certainly not us.
Speaker C:And when we made the change, we could not afford to do homeschooling, but we came under conviction.
Speaker C:No, we want to do something radical in our day and age.
Speaker C:We actually want to be the ones that raise our own kids.
Speaker C:If you send your kids off to school, it's kind of hard to say you raise them because you barely ever see them.
Speaker C:They do their after school activities, then they got sports on the weekend and you see them.
Speaker C:But it's kind of from the stands and shuttling them to and fro.
Speaker C:If you were really honest, you're probably only spending an hour a day with your kids and they're spending eight hours with their peers who don't know anything and are plugged into all kinds of reprogramming or they're listening to the droll or the postmodern drivel of government school employees.
Speaker C:And so that is really, really upsetting.
Speaker C:And the best thing you could do for your kids is to homeschool them.
Speaker C:Now people are going to hear that, they're not going to like it.
Speaker C:They'll feel like I'm out of touch.
Speaker C:They'll feel like my circumstances don't allow.
Speaker C:I don't know how, I don't know what the off road or the off ramp is for you.
Speaker C:Maybe it's not reasonable right now.
Speaker C:Great.
Speaker C:Make plans in the next year or two.
Speaker C:So figure it out.
Speaker C:Figure it out for.
Speaker C:For me, my wife and I moved from a house we were renting we couldn't afford to buy at the time.
Speaker C:We were renting and we moved into a little apartment as a married couple with two kids.
Speaker C:We left the house so my wife could be single.
Speaker C:We could be a single income family.
Speaker C:We didn't pay for daycare.
Speaker C:A lot of times the wife will go to work and if you actually did the math, the cost of daycare, childcare and all that, really, with taxes imputed in from tax withdrawal from your salary and deductions, it ends up being a bit of a wash whether she went to work or she stayed home with the kids financially, at the end it ends up being the same because it's not what you make, it's what you keep.
Speaker C:We ended up going into debt and that sucked because I don't like anybody in debt.
Speaker C:Especially in this terrible, terrible economy.
Speaker C:It's hard to afford anything.
Speaker C:And so it's like, man, but you can't afford to lose your kids either.
Speaker C:And that's what's going to change nothing.
Speaker C:And mark my words, you will lose your children.
Speaker C:I'm like, no, my kids are great.
Speaker C:All right, watch.
Speaker C:Watch when they're 20 years old, and you'll look at them and be like, who are you?
Speaker C:I raised you different.
Speaker C:I'm like, no, you sent them away.
Speaker C:You didn't raise them at all.
Speaker C:Right now, people are, you know, definitely not going to like me.
Speaker C:People really like me a lot because they listen, they hear that I'm an advocate for them.
Speaker C:I actually love you.
Speaker C:And I want to.
Speaker C:I love you enough to tell you the truth.
Speaker C:Nobody else is going to tell you the truth or other people will, but still, I'm telling you the truth.
Speaker C:I have nothing to gain here.
Speaker C:You're not.
Speaker C:I'm not asking you to shop my merch.
Speaker C:I'm asking you to rescue your own kids.
Speaker C:And maybe you disagree with me, but the impulse, the heart that it comes from is certainly true.
Speaker C:I'm an advocate for you, and this is how.
Speaker C:Also, the only way that we can rescue our country is to rescue the family first.
Speaker C:The country is just families, and if we let our kid, the left isn't producing much.
Speaker C:They're murdering their own children through abortion.
Speaker C:A million plus per year.
Speaker C:They have less kids than us on the right as well.
Speaker C:And the way they really gain support is going to be illegal immigration in the years to come.
Speaker C:But up till now, it's been stealing our kids through government schools.
Speaker C:They reprogrammed them and mobilized them for the left to turn kids against their own parents.
Speaker C:If you can't see that that's been happening for decades now, and you refuse to have the courage to see that it could happen to your kids, too.
Speaker C:I, unfortunately, cannot help you, but I desperately wanted to try.
Speaker A:Yeah, love is a sacrifice, right?
Speaker A:Like, we don't.
Speaker A:We don't like talking about sacrifices as a culture nowadays, but love is a sacrifice.
Speaker A:And, you know, it's.
Speaker A:It's a love of your country, it's a love of your rights, it's a love of your children, it's a love of your family to protect them, to advocate for them, and to make tough decisions.
Speaker A:And it's an uncomfortable conversation.
Speaker A:And, you know, we have a ton of homeschool families at Goa.
Speaker A:I would dare say if you took a survey of our organization, we definitely would shock people with how many of Our families homeschool.
Speaker A:And so it's not foreign for us to have this conversation, which might blow people's minds.
Speaker A:But if you think that your kids are getting a Second Amendment education in the schools or that they're getting any sort of understanding of the fact that their rights are endowed by the Creator, that their rights don't come from government, and that they're constitutionally protected and not government, granted, you have a completely misconception of.
Speaker A:Of what the.
Speaker A:Not just the curriculum looks like, but what the unions do to the schools and all of the powers that be that are training the people that teach your kids.
Speaker A:And there's very little individual liberty, down to the ability to suspend a child from school, from finger pistols like it's in Alabama.
Speaker A:It's not like we're having this conversation and it happened in New York City or it happened in California, Alabama, for crying out loud.
Speaker A:And so it's time that people hear the messages that people are saying and understand in detail that this is a concerted effort and a concerted attack.
Speaker A: to understand the terrain in: Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:The point is, is to emasculate your boys.
Speaker C:That's their point.
Speaker C:It's to take any semblance of courage, boldness, any impulse to be a good protector.
Speaker C:Anybody that could ever stand up with their shoulders back, you know, and their spines straight, look at the government and say, not a single inch more.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:They're the ones that lead revolutions and reformations.
Speaker C:So of course, the government wants to find them when they're young and crush out anything that might be strong or bold, anything that might be potentially dangerous, recognizing.
Speaker C:No, there's good dangerous and bad dangerous.
Speaker C:And the only way to stop bad dangerous is with good dangerous.
Speaker C:The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is good guy with a gun, period.
Speaker C:And so it is part of essential education for all of our young men to make them dangerous.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's critical information.
Speaker C:It has been for every ancient empire of all time.
Speaker C:As part of their essential education was to make them protectors.
Speaker C:I'm a protector and a provider of my family, and I should be working on that from the time I'm a little boy.
Speaker C:It's hard to wire in.
Speaker C:Guess what my boys were playing yesterday?
Speaker C:They were playing G.I.
Speaker C:Joe, and they were building bunkers out of little rocks, and they were having this massive military assault, and they were having so much fun, and we didn't have to organize that play for Them they just naturally fall into is the government education or I'm sorry, it's the government anti education system that finds that impulse and crushes it out of them.
Speaker C:They shame them out of it.
Speaker C:Their goal is to make all would be dangerous men, take them at boyhood and turn them into little girls.
Speaker C:And that is a metaphor a lot of the time.
Speaker C:But, but it's actually literally happening now which is a, a freak show horror story as well that you're just carving up little children now in puberty blockers.
Speaker C:This is such demonic evil, twisted.
Speaker C:We will burn in hell for this kind of thing.
Speaker C:This is horrible stuff.
Speaker C:And the idea that we would even consider sending our kids to institutions such as that shows a wild selfishness and, and self centeredness on us parents who would so that we can keep up with the Joneses, drive a little nicer car and have a little nicer house.
Speaker C:We'd send our kids to the free system.
Speaker C:Why is it free?
Speaker C:Government schools are not free.
Speaker C:They cost you your kids.
Speaker B:Well said, very well said.
Speaker B:We talk about taking your protection into your own hands and taking your community into your own hands.
Speaker B:And we just saw this in Hartford Connecticut of all places that there's a group of through a church that is going around armed, protecting their neighborhood, cleaning up their neighborhood.
Speaker B:And it takes people like that to stand up in all places like Hartford Connecticut which is Connecticut's very anti gun to go, hey, it is our time to take our neighborhoods back from the gangs and clean up.
Speaker B:How do we send that message across to everybody that it's time to take back our communities, take back our children like you said and bring back to our, our values that the country was founded on.
Speaker C:I mean education is one thing.
Speaker C:We're doing it right now of like if we could just get our kids out of government schools.
Speaker C:Some, some folks listening in their teachers in government schools.
Speaker C:I'm like well you guys can stay, stay and try to regain that institution of power.
Speaker C:I mean I don't think you'll be successful.
Speaker C:However, I think there's still good that can be done in your sphere.
Speaker C:You could do still do a little good.
Speaker C:I'm saying don't send your kids into that area so the teacher can stay but the kid get your kids out of there.
Speaker C:But part of it's just the education of recognizing the playbook of the left.
Speaker C:What are the rules for radicals and how do we counteract them?
Speaker C:The best thing you could do is regain what masculinity and femininity is and lean into those roles.
Speaker C:Understand how Marriage is really supposed to work.
Speaker C:Not the progressive feministic or red pill counter swing movement.
Speaker C:Not that, no, the traditional thing that's allowed our grandparents and our great great grandparents to be able to have successful marriages.
Speaker C:It's not that far in our rear view mirror.
Speaker C:When people know how to do marriage, we could tap into those ancient paths and start walking again, warrior poet ways.
Speaker C:And that works very, very well.
Speaker C:And so we have to reclaim what the progressives have taken from us in their war against anything old.
Speaker C:We have thrown out things that have, that have stood the test of time for thousands of years.
Speaker C:And because it was old, progressives have claimed it is bad.
Speaker C:And so part of how we reclaim everything is to reclaim first off ourselves, our family, our faith, our communities and our country follows.
Speaker C:But it is a revolution that starts in your own heart and then your own family first.
Speaker C:And if you get that right and, and that stays right, you, a little fire being held up spreads to other families around you and then that spreads to communities and then that goes.
Speaker C:This, this will be a ground up retaking of America's values.
Speaker C:It can't be top down.
Speaker C:We already lost that war.
Speaker C:They, they have a institutional checkmate.
Speaker C:They own all institutions of power now with the exception of the Supreme Court.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And they don't own the true redeemed church either.
Speaker C:The gates of hell can't prevail against that.
Speaker C:But they can certainly poison a lot of woke tastic fake churches that are parading all kinds of completely heretical nonsense.
Speaker C:It has no power in it.
Speaker C:And so yeah, I think the true church, those who are really saved by the blood of Jesus, that's the only institution of power that'll actually survive this earth.
Speaker C:But there we go.
Speaker B:Yeah, like you, I, I am also an elder millennial who went to private school and public school.
Speaker B:And I remember growing up we were able to have conversations with people and you would talk and you may not agree on the topic, but you were still friends and had a civil conversation.
Speaker B:And now it just seems to be the person with the loudest voice wins.
Speaker B:And we see that now with the silent majority not having that loud voice and not mobilizing and the left leaning progressives with just screaming until at you, until you agree with them.
Speaker B:And we have to figure out a way to combat that.
Speaker B:And there's a lot of things that you've said that align with all our core values and going and getting our children back and also being able to go fight and walk that line of the warrior poetry.
Speaker B:And I applaud you for helping Spread that word and gain the following.
Speaker B:You have to let them know, like, hey, you don't have to be quiet.
Speaker B:You can be loud and take back what is truly what makes this country great.
Speaker A:So obviously you run a training program and an award winning training program at that.
Speaker A:When you see the country shifting to constitutional carry, I think a lot of people realized that the fight at the federal level is incredibly difficult.
Speaker A:And thankfully we've seen a resurgence in people getting more and more involved at their state legislature.
Speaker A:This year we saw South Carolina and Louisiana join the constitutional carry club.
Speaker A:Although not all constitutional carries are created equal by any stretch of the imagination, there's still a lot of work to do in every state.
Speaker A:You know, when you're running a training program, how does the constant change in carry laws and constant change in people's perception about whether or not they should get training and what type of training and going beyond that, concealed carry permit, how do you navigate that changing landscape?
Speaker C:I just kind of do whatever I want.
Speaker C:I have the Second Amendment, so I know that's probably not the.
Speaker C:I just, I have the Second Amendment, I do what I want.
Speaker C:And so I go all over the place.
Speaker C:And I know you're expecting a more sophisticated answer, but that's what I do.
Speaker C:I have the second Amendment.
Speaker C:I just do what I want.
Speaker A:So, I mean, I like it.
Speaker A:I was just wondering because, like, there's so many people that are like, well, it's going to destroy the training business.
Speaker A:And I'm like, it's not going to destroy the training business.
Speaker A:People want to take personal responsibility.
Speaker A:They're going to go seek training.
Speaker C:I see.
Speaker C:So people, people do have apprehensions about that.
Speaker C:And they're always like, hey, what's the law for?
Speaker C:Whatever.
Speaker C:And I always like to point out, well, the law is an illegal law that infringes upon your second amendment right.
Speaker C:So just as a good Second Amendment proselyte, let me tell you, let me always say that.
Speaker C:Let me keep reminding you so that you understand, like, I love constitutional carry.
Speaker C:But all gun permits are infringements on the Second Amendment.
Speaker C:It's literally, whereas the Constitution say the government may make no law that infringement infringes, we have to ask them permission to have a permit to carry.
Speaker C:How is this not the most flagrant, wild violation of the second Amendment?
Speaker C:No, you, you don't.
Speaker C:The second Amendment exists so that they can't make any laws, any infringements, yet we have to ask them permission to get a permit to carry a gun and no one's noticing anymore.
Speaker C:We're just like oh, well, I'm thinking about carrying and better get my gun permit.
Speaker C:Now I have a gun permit.
Speaker C:I'm just saying ideologically, I'm not encouraging anybody out there to break the illegal laws that have been passed.
Speaker C:I'm just saying let's look at it at a constitutional basis and.
Speaker C:And constitutional carry is passing all these different states, not because we're.
Speaker C:We're doing this amazing thing where freedom is surgeon.
Speaker C:We're just gaining back a little bit of ground on what basic constitutional rights are.
Speaker C:We've been in the red negative, and we're just trying to get back up to neutral right now.
Speaker C:We're not positive ground until I can have a tank.
Speaker C:I really want a tank.
Speaker C:I think it'd be great fun.
Speaker C:I'm a good guy, so nobody has to worry about that.
Speaker C:Unless, you know, we got some bad guys with tanks, and then I'll be like, tank commander level, reporting for duty.
Speaker C:And those shoots of bad guys.
Speaker C:Other than that, it's just, I'm gonna really.
Speaker C:I'm gonna really, really blow up some watermelons hard in my back pasture, you know, so that's it.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:I think takes are cool.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker C:That's gonna be super fun.
Speaker C:So, people, I think if there was a ban on AR15s at a federal level with some really, really awful consequences, that could certainly happen, you know?
Speaker C:You know, maybe that's 10 years.
Speaker C:A lot of people be like, oh, never in the U.S. i mean, come on, man.
Speaker C:Dudes, we have a huge percent of the population that believes that men can menstruate and have babies.
Speaker C:Now.
Speaker C:Did you see that coming five years ago?
Speaker C:We have a dementia patient as commander in chief, and the cackling, Kamala Harris is vp.
Speaker C:Did you think that was even possible?
Speaker C:Look at what's happened.
Speaker C:The stuff that is happening in front of us is we left $80 billion of equipment behind in Afghanistan with our cowardly, hasty retreat.
Speaker C:We just gave it to terrorist organization.
Speaker C:Did you ever see that coming?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:None of the stuff happening you ever saw coming.
Speaker C:A few year, five, ten years ago, you never saw it coming.
Speaker C:And so what could happen 10 years from now?
Speaker C:You just never.
Speaker C:You never know.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, they made pistol braces, which was a plastic unserialized accessory and almost turned everybody into a felon that was a gun owner.
Speaker C:Yep, absolutely.
Speaker A:Like, let's.
Speaker A:I think we need to, like, sit back and just kind of sit back and go, hey, guys, there's a war on plastic now.
Speaker A:Bump stocks, turn things into machine guns.
Speaker A:Pistol braces, make them more deadly and therefore, you know, you're a felon.
Speaker A:At what point do you sit back and go, we're going to not allow politicians to be elected representatives that are going to support these outlandish things.
Speaker A:You have the atf, that's a completely rogue agency at this point, and it's detrimental to the ability of the Second Amendment.
Speaker A:We want to see a restoration in our rights.
Speaker A:We don't just want to protect the status quo.
Speaker A:We're filing lawsuits all of the time.
Speaker A:Thank God I'm not on our legal team, because the amount of work that they do is just insane because of the infringements that we have to fight.
Speaker A:But the best thing to do in any fight is to be proactive in the fight.
Speaker A:And that comes with voting.
Speaker A:That comes with vetting candidates.
Speaker A:That comes with making sure that your voice is heard when they are elected, regardless of if you know that they're going to vote the opposite way or not.
Speaker A:It's better to stand up than to stay quiet.
Speaker C:Couldn't agree more.
Speaker B:You brought up the mishandling and insanity of, of the government pulling out of, out of Afghanistan and leaving all the equipment.
Speaker B:And at one point I found it laughable that there was a, a gentleman in Afghanistan doing gun reviews on US military equipment and making money on YouTube by doing gun reviews of US military equipment.
Speaker B:And I found it, as sad as that is, I found it laughable that the administration gave him the ability to have a platform to do said gun reviews of military equipment, of our military equipment.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:If it's that jacked up, YouTube will probably make them trend because everything awful is counted good and everything good is counted awful.
Speaker C:Now it's completely flipping upside down of real values.
Speaker C:So, you know, nothing surprises me anymore.
Speaker C:I would, yeah, laugh so you don't cry.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I would love to say nothing surprises me anymore, but it, it, it still does.
Speaker A:The shock factor is still there.
Speaker A:I just want to, like, when I get off work, my favorite thing is just going out to our farm and just being like, all right.
Speaker A:Yeah, so the real world does exist.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Find finding a little peace.
Speaker C:Because once, once all the terrible headlines have washed over you throughout the day, you battled it out at work, trying to survive.
Speaker C:You're engaged in the culture war.
Speaker C:You gotta be able to put that down, Carve out a little bit of joy and peace in your life.
Speaker C:Hug your family close, build some core memories, go have a little bit of fun, get a babysitter, hit a date, night up.
Speaker C:You know, do, do whatever you can to, to just be able to Enjoy.
Speaker C:There's the fighting for freedom, but then there's also the enjoyment of it.
Speaker C:And it's meant to go hand in hand as the one fuels the other and vice versa.
Speaker C:Those are inexorably linked things.
Speaker C:If you don't enjoy, if you're not enjoying or exercising your freedom, then you're not going to fight very hard for it because what's the point?
Speaker C:And so it's the exercise of a right that gives you the fuel to fight for it.
Speaker C:When I leave my farm in the morning and I head off to work, knowing what's in my rear view mirror and loving, loving it gives me the energy and fuel I need.
Speaker C:It gives me purpose to be able to fight for all the other families out there as well and my own.
Speaker C:But you got to be able to disconnect from the matrix and all the bad and recharge up.
Speaker C:So that's a, that's a good point, Kaylee.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I want to touch on, I think one last topic is, is probably all we have time for but you're a big proponent of reading and reading a wide variety of things from philosophy to.
Speaker A:I know you do like tens of thousands of book reviews at this point probably.
Speaker A:Wow, English is hard.
Speaker A:You've done hundreds if not thousands of book reviews at this point on your channel.
Speaker A:I truly believe that you have to read to lead.
Speaker A:I think that if you don't understand it's going to be very hard to see where we've been.
Speaker A:So you can't tell where we're going.
Speaker A:If you were to give somebody a few books that they would read, I'm sure you're going to say your own and as you should.
Speaker C:I would not have said my own.
Speaker C:I wouldn't have done it.
Speaker C:I wouldn't have done it.
Speaker C:But you did all right.
Speaker C:The Warrior Bullet way.
Speaker C:It's doing well.
Speaker C:National bestseller and I am humbled by that.
Speaker C:That sounds.
Speaker C:I would not have brought up my own.
Speaker C:I don't sit down, read my own book and I'm like, oh wow, let me take notes.
Speaker C:I'm so changed.
Speaker A:But it's a playbook, right?
Speaker A:I've read your book.
Speaker A:I will be the shameless plug for your book is the like I waited in line at the Homesteaders of America conference and I got my husband a copy and my dad and my father in law a copy and I had you sign it and I was like scurried off.
Speaker A:But I read it as well and it's a playbook.
Speaker A:It's understanding where we're at and I do think if you haven't read it, go buy it.
Speaker A:Go see him at a conference.
Speaker A:He's very kind, he'll sign it and it's an important playbook and so now you can go into your top five and hopefully we can sell a couple more copies for you.
Speaker C:Top five is.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker C:You're extremely gracious.
Speaker C:I read first Thessalonians this morning.
Speaker C:It was awesome.
Speaker C:I think you should read Bible every single day.
Speaker C:That that's a really, really good.
Speaker C:You want to revolutionize, change your life.
Speaker C:Nothing will do it like Bible will.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:So there is not a close second one that was out outlandishly, outrageously the top one.
Speaker C:Then I'm going to get real weird and I'd really want to look into who I'm speaking to before I start recommending a bunch of stuff.
Speaker C:Some people are already reading a bunch of like business and efficiency books and kind of self helpish genre and I'd want to look at what you're already reading and then flip you to something else to help round us out better.
Speaker C:I want to be broad and very deep.
Speaker C:A lot of kind of those non fiction readers really need to have their hearts moved and their creative powers move.
Speaker C:Jump started through reading fiction.
Speaker C:Fiction, man.
Speaker C:Fiction is a superpower.
Speaker C:I was as a driven kind of guy.
Speaker C:I want data, I want facts, I want someone to explain and help me maximize efficiency and goal setting.
Speaker C:And I had no idea what I was really missing by not tapping into fiction.
Speaker C:Fiction unlocks critical essential things inside of a man or woman that frankly nothing else can.
Speaker C:Movies aren't going to do it and a lot of the non fiction cold hard data isn't.
Speaker C:I think for dudes everyone should read Steven Pressfield stuff.
Speaker C:Pressfield is awesome.
Speaker C:Gates of Fire, Virtues of War, Tides of War, man at Arms.
Speaker C:I really like Pressfield and that'd be a good place to awaken there.
Speaker C:I just was connected with Jack Carr.
Speaker C:I think he's fantastic.
Speaker C:I've got his set right here beside me.
Speaker C:So anyway that, that'd be fun to delve into fiction or you can go into the classics.
Speaker C:My favorite, my favorite fiction is a historical fiction.
Speaker C:Historical fiction is my favorite category.
Speaker C:So you're learning awesome history.
Speaker C:But it's done through this tantalizing story with fictitious liberties.
Speaker C:But you're learning awesome history.
Speaker C:My favorite historical fiction is Ben Hur.
Speaker C:If you think Ben Hur is about a chariot race, you have no idea what those story is about.
Speaker C:You saw the movie or the tv?
Speaker C:Nope, that's not been her.
Speaker C:That's not been her.
Speaker C:Read the book.
Speaker C:It is not about a chariot race.
Speaker C:Has a chariot race.
Speaker C:It's not about a chariot race.
Speaker C:Not even close.
Speaker C:So there's that.
Speaker C:There's other histories, philosophies, theology, books.
Speaker C:Real important.
Speaker C:I, I read all kinds of crazy stuff.
Speaker C:Old stuff, new stuff.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Well, thank you so much for, for joining us on this episode.
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