Ryan from YumYum podcast joins to discuss Billy's rich characterization, Ellen Tigh, and his love of Dana Delany. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 2, Episode 16: Sacrifice.

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Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done podcast

hosted by two former strangers.

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Now, friends that are currently watching

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I'm Jair,

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and we've got a guest

today if you'd like to say hi.

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Ryan: Hi everyone.

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Hello.

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It's me.

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Everyone's favorite Australian menace.

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Ryan is back here, and I've got

my Dukes up because there's also

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a certain great character who's in

this episode too that I can't wait

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to fight about how awesome they are.

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Laura: I don't know.

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Maybe it's not a fight

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today.

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Ryan: Of course, I'm talking about Lee.

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Of course, we all love Lee.

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Actually, that's this,

that's this show's name.

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We love Lee

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Xhafer: Merch

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Laura: The new merch dropping.

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We love Lee.

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Right.

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Ryan: Oh

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Laura: Oh, Ryan, we do need to like

find out how to send you some, some.

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We love lease merch.

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We really want

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to,

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Ryan: I think

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Laura: we'll talk off pod.

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Ryan: I think I'm owed.

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Xhafer: you, you are a hundred percent.

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Ryan: oh, yeah.

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That's

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Xhafer: uh, we'll, we'll figure

that out after we're done recording.

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but yeah.

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So we got season two

episode 16, sacrifice today.

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And Ryan, you requested this episode.

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Ryan: mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Now did you request it because

of l and Ty or was there some other

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motivation you were thinking about?

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Ryan: Oh, well I knew Ellen was in it.

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I thought that would be a nice connective

thread, but that's not the main motivator.

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Um, the main motivator is uh, it's

a very interestingly uh, it's a

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very interestingly made episode

and it's a big turning point.

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'cause we, we, you know, we

lose someone in this, so that's

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like a monumental thing as well.

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So, but uh, why I picked it will become

more obvious as we talk about it.

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I guess.

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It's one of those things that's like,

ah, yes, I was looking at season two

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and I'm just like, Hmm, I wanna pick

one from what I call the uh, life of

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the colonies episodes of BSG, where

there's a, like a stretch of episodes

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in season two, where they try to do,

like, what is life like on the colonies?

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Like, is there a black

market on the colonies?

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Or, you know, oh.

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Surely the, the normal people are reacting

to all of this silent infiltration stuff.

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Surely that will be worth exploring.

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And so I, I find that interesting.

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There's like a stretch of episodes

that are like, what is life

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like on the colonies and how

do our characters react to it?

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And the answer is not very well.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Uh,

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We've got I think, at least one

more of those before the season's

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out, and we've had a handful so far.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: but uh, yeah, this

is a, I dunno, I, I, I mean,

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we'll talk about it at the end.

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I do, I do enjoy this episode.

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It's a, it's kind of a weird one.

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and there's definitely stuff that is

uh, nonsensical to me immediately,

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but, we'll, we'll get there when we get

there because we open on Dana Delaney.

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Ryan: Can I, can I stop you immediately?

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Do you guys watch the previous can?

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Do you guys watch the

previously ons at all?

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Laura: I do.

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Yes.

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Ryan: Can I talk about that?

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I don't know if you, you

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Laura: Yes, please do.

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Ryan: The previously ons were

basically, this episode was like

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he's every scene with Billy.

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Isn't Billy a great character who

totally gets enough screen time to

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justify being in this previously on

look at Billy and Dee's relationship?

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Billy sure loves being alive.

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I love being alive.

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My name's Billy and I sure do

love being young and hopeful and

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everything's going well for me.

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I'm Billy, the main character of

actually Billy Star Galactica.

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That's the name of the show.

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It's named after me.

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It was very funny because obviously

I knew what this episode was about,

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but it just made me laugh because

sometimes when you watch previously

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ons, it gives the game away.

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You like, you go,

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Laura: It did a little bit.

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Yeah.

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I definitely had that moment where

I turned to Erin and I was like, I

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bet Billy's gonna die in this one.

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And I, I realized as I was watching that

previously on, I was very ashamed of

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myself that we hadn't referred to, to

the relationship as Billy D Like Billy D.

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Williams, that's their ship name.

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And we didn't, we didn't do it.

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And all this time wasted.

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Xhafer: Yeah, and it's,

it's, it's done now, so,

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Ryan: Yeah.

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And the Billy d di is, do you

have a name for their pairing?

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The, the Billy and D.

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You have, do you have Lee and D?

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Is it

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Laura: I was just calling him Dee and Lee.

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Ryan: De

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Ryan: the, the problem is they have the

same name, but with a letter changed

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Laura: yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: mean, you could go for like a dmo

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you could just drop the

E'S and just say ld.

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Laura: LD

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Ryan: ld.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I like that.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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There's, there's room to work.

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We'll, we'll workshop it.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I, I don't know how I

feel about Lee and Dee.

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Um, just as a thing, like, I don't know.

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I told Jafar in one of the recent

episodes, I dunno if it's come out yet,

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so I will tell you now, Ryan, that I

felt like it sort of came out of nowhere.

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Like it didn't

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Ryan: So did Billy, um,

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Laura: maybe I'm just a

Billy, I don't know, but I was

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Ryan: we

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could talk about it, but, um, Ellen Tai

has some opinions on their relationship

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that I find absolutely fascinating

that she brings up in this episode.

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And I think she hits, she hits something

right on the nerve there, but we could

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talk about that when we get there.

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Laura: I may have missed it,

so I would love it if you

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would share that insight with me.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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So, uh, we've got Dana Delaney

in the first scene here.

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Um, a real, that gal as, as you already

mentioned before we even hit the record

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button, Ryan, a desperate housewife.

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Ryan: She was a desperate housewife.

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She came in later.

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She was a later edition,

but she was wonderful.

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She was the gay desperate housewife.

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Her whole thing is like she finds out

that she's gay partway through the show,

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and you get a marvelous line delivery

of her just being after kissing a woman

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and just saying, I'm am I gay now?

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And it's just magnificent and she's.

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The type of character where her

character is exactly like one of

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the, or already existing housewives.

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She's, she's pretty much like Brie.

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And so what they do with that is

they hate each other and they're arch

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nemes, but then they become friends.

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It's, you know, frenemies dynamic and

they own like a business together.

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And it's just magnificent to see these

two uptight freaks play off each other.

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But yeah, Dana Delaney,

she's in so many things.

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She's like, she's a movie

actress, you know, as well.

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And so when she rocks up in BSG

and there's no like, no glory shot

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of introduction to her, you just

hear her muttering to herself.

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'cause she's crazy by the way, in case you

didn't go, in case you didn't pick that

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up by all of the red yarn on the wall.

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And all of these like.

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Evil photographs of the crew.

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And she's just saying everything out

loud as she's typing things because

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you know, we gotta let you know

upfront that this person's point of

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view that she like gives us throughout

the whole episode will mean nothing.

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'cause she's actually crazy.

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We have to make sure we know that up top.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: Yeah, because people who

take hostages, you have to worry

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about whether or not they're

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Ryan: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, uh uh, she's got that conspiracy

wall though with all the, the strings and

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she's vibing out typing and uh, we

see that in her like flashbacks.

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Her husband got airlock at some

point, basically de decompressed.

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Ryan: Yeah.

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And it was that thing of, since I'm, I

haven't watched all of the episodes while

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watching a lot, listening along with you,

but I had that thing of like, oh, was

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this a previously established character?

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No.

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Xhafer: No.

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Ryan: This isn't like a string of

episodes where they do that too,

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where it's just like, Hey, Lee has

this like, sex worker girlfriend.

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Is this previously established?

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No,

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Xhafer: no.

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Ryan: without getting into it, next week's

episode is actually fucking notorious.

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And make sure to watch the

previously on for that one.

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'cause it's probably the greatest

example of evil the show's ever done.

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But, um, the show does that

where it's like, I watch this.

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I'm like, oh, am I supposed to know?

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And the whole episode treats it like,

oh, her poor husband, what a hero he was.

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It's like, I don't know who

the fuck that guy was and the

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episode's not gonna tell me.

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And this is all I did.

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This is all I did.

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Xhafer: Man.

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I don't think that episode, the, the

episode with the one with Lees aired yet,

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but man, that was so fucking frustrating.

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Laura: Think it just aired

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this week,

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Ryan: I listened,

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Yeah.

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Ugh.

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The more I think about it, the more

upset I get about how important they

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made that character for 30 seconds just

to like, never give a speaking line,

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just like it's, it's just, it's so

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Ryan: but.

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We lovely.

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Xhafer: new merch.

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All right.

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Uh, Yeah.

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So, uh, Sasha is the character's

name here, Sasha Aal.

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And Sasha has connected that.

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There is another Sharon Valeri, who

is still alive on the Galactica.

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There's like shadowy photos and

it's all like, what the hell?

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A second one,

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Ryan: And she's right.

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That's the

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Xhafer: she's right.

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Ryan: The, the show's like, Hey,

conspiracy theorists are fucking right.

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Have you noticed every time the show

brings up the rumor mill, the rumor

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mill was a 100% correct, by the way.

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Laura: I mean so far, yeah,

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Ryan: they know?

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Worry.

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As like military officers who rule

the fucking humanity, do they not

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worry about like leaking information?

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Like the rumor mill's always,

always right about everything.

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Heck, there was one episode where

they, the rumor mill said, oh,

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I think silence could be this.

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And then an episode or two later

six was like, yeah, they were right.

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It's like, what the fuck?

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Like what did they know?

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That fucking Adama doesn't know.

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You know what?

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Hire them.

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Hire the rumor mill.

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Just have them a part of the payroll.

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At this point, Lucy

Lawless isn't doing shit,

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Xhafer: I have to think that there

are just like so many rumors that we

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don't see because it's not pertinent

to the plot that they just dismiss

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outright that are actually false rumors.

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'cause that's the only way to

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Ryan: but they need to

do that in the show.

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They need to demonstrate that

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Xhafer: Yeah, and I want that fucking

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Ryan: the time.

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Laura: that would be a fun episode.

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Xhafer: Right.

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Just bad silent rumors for an entire

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Ryan: That, that, that could have

been the one where with the journalist

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made an epi, like made her documentary

where you had some of that dispersed

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in there, but you didn't get that.

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You got all of it being correct.

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I just mentioned that because this

character, she's got, she's got

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all the pieces together at the

beginning, and you're like, oh shit.

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She's, she's, she's figured it out and

she's gonna come in throughout the episode

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with like a point, and a lot of her

points are like obviously like correct,

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but they're framed as villainous because,

well, she's crazy and so we shouldn't,

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we shouldn't regard any of it, but it's

like, well, she's right, like she's right.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: yeah.

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No, that's really fun in

this, this episode is like,

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Xhafer: I mean, a

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Laura: she knows everything we

do now and we know she's right.

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Xhafer: like of the episodes

that you could have picked.

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I was really glad you picked this

one specifically because to me this

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is an incredibly American episode.

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Ryan: boy.

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Is it?

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Oh boy.

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I have a whole lot of thoughts about

how this one's wrestling with the fact

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it's both a response to nine 11 fever,

pitch mania, but also just fully, is it?

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It's very strange.

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It's a very strange episode.

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Xhafer: no, a hundred percent.

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It's, that's the vibe.

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And to have that kind of a conversation

with someone who didn't grow up in

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America during nine 11, I'm very

interested about your opinions on it,

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so we'll, we'll get there.

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Laura: sorry, before we leave Sasha

really quick, um, it is believable to

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me though that like if we talked in

the last episode, that hasn't aired

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yet about like how long it's been.

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'cause I was getting confused, you

know, and the amount of time that

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Jair set out for me, I'm, I'm believe

it's feasible because you have these,

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these military personnel that are

like visiting the black market.

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You think they're not.

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Talking when they do that, like that,

something could have gotten out.

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So, you know, I know that the episode

is trying to play up like Sasha's

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craziness and grief over her husband,

but I was also like, yeah, she's just

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like disseminating the information, you

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Ryan: And we have a conversation

from Adama a bit later about like,

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um, disseminating information

and like using the press.

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And he's always about like,

no, it's about military assets.

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It's about, you know, being

controlling the flow of how everything

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is controlled and information.

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And at, at the end of the

episode, it's still like FlipFlop

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you of like, is he right?

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Well, we lost Billy, so

maybe he isn't right.

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It's like, well, I guess, I don't know.

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We.

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Xhafer: But also like he's like, all

this has to be so controlled, but he's

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also the one having Sharon escorted

through the fucking ship all the

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Laura: right, right.

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Xhafer: to his office, to his

quarters, instead of going to her in

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a controlled situation and not walking

her in front of whatever fucking

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school kids happened to be getting a

tour through Galactica at that time.

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Ryan: But he has to make his model ship,

so he has to have them come to him.

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Laura: yeah.

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Well, and and she's going to sick pay

all the time, like to get pregnancy

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checkups, and it's like, why not

take Doc Coddle and a machine to her?

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Like, come on.

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So Interesting.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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So, uh, as she's putting

all this together, the news

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also hits the fleet radio.

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Adamo, Rosalyn and Billy listen in,

and Billy drives this conversation,

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which Rosalyn comments on as soon

as they get out of there, and

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he's got all of this courage.

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He's, he's really owning the moment,

and we see why just after, as

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he runs off and proposes to Dee,

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Ryan: Big.

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I now am a strong-willed character, so

I obviously won't be around much longer

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energy from our good friend Billy.

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Laura: Yeah, you can just say RIP

here, like it is over Billie D.

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Xhafer: what fucking goal?

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Just puts a ring on her

without even asking.

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Just all like, oh, here's my

debate ring, and then she's just

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like, what the fuck is going on?

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Laura: Also, that thing

has to be huge on her.

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She is a tiny lady.

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She's gotta have tiny little hands.

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Ryan: but the ring looks so small in

his hands, so I, I kind of bought it.

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I was like, that looks like a little ring.

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I don't know, it was just one of those

things with like, sure, well here's

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the thing, we can't tell because

the scene is shot like shit, it's

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so shaky, handheld, and I laughed.

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I genuinely laughed at the moment where

she is like, oh, I'm not interested.

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You know the buff, and it does like

the snap, zoom on Billy's eyes, but it

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was like so close and it's so shaky.

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And the intercutting.

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When you're in the groove of BSG, you

get accustomed and you get comfortable,

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or maybe you don't with like the

handheld zoomy style, but then there

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are moments where you do question it.

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Like this whole scene, I'm

like, why is it shot like this?

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Why is this shot like an action scene?

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It's very obnoxious and it's

supposed to be like a, a good, you

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know, moment of these characters

kind of back and forth thing.

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And I just am laughing because

of these almost comedically time

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zooms that they have in this show.

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It's very amusing to me

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Ryan: 'cause it's

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Laura: someone took the, uh.

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someone took the Black Hawk down

playbook a little too Seriously.

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Ryan: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: She says no immediately.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: just like Billy, you

have, you have fucked up.

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And then we cut over to cloud

nine where Dee tells Lee

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about her day and all of this.

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He is drinking, I don't know if

you caught this, a spicy martini

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with a fucking Thai chili.

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Where

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Laura: I I love the chili pepper martini.

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Xhafer: Why are they using chili

peppers for martinis and not curry?

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This is a gross misuse and

misappropriation of limited

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Ryan: Welcome to Cloud nine.

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Xhafer: Fair?

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Ryan: It's always doing it.

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Laura: We're we're outta

olives, so here's what you get.

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Uh, D is very pretty.

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In this scene, she looks beautiful.

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Ryan: is a nice low cut dress and

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Very good

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Ryan: Lee is just wearing boring clothes

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Laura: Well,

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Xhafer: I mean, not not as board

shorts from two episodes ago, but.

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Ryan: He's wearing, he's wearing clothes

that says, I will, I will do a Max Payne

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style action scene later in the show.

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And, um, good for him.

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But yeah, she's wearing a lovely dress.

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Everyone, everyone's looking

good in this episode 'cause

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they're in their casual clothes.

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We see Starbucks later and she's

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also in a nice outfit that the Marine

just couldn't help but look at, which

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I found a very amusing acting detail.

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It wasn't like lingered on too

much, but it was just a little

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like, you saw his eyes glance.

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I'm like, yep.

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Laura: Yeah, because

because he's afraid of her.

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He is not gonna look too long, but yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, it it very, very good

costuming in this episode.

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I was very, very pleased.

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Um, but yeah, I don't know.

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I just don't like, feel chemistry between.

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Dee, even though she clearly

got very dolled up for him.

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I don't know.

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Is it just me?

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Ryan: No, not at all.

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I'm, I'm with you.

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I think it's because, um, Lee.

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I just don't understand what he

wants as a character so often.

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And that applies to his

romantic entanglements, like,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan: and it just goes here and there.

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And him and Dee in this episode alone,

it's mainly to be like for Billy's

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sake, rather than the two of them.

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Like mainly the takeaway I get

about the relationship and from this

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episode is how much it affects Billy.

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And then by the end of the episode, he's

willing to help Lee out, even though

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at the start he probably wouldn't have.

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But it's because Billy's

such a, such a nice guy.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Well, yeah.

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He has to be this outstanding citizen,

so that way we have an emotional

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impact from killing him later.

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Ryan: Yeah.

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And also Starbuck having to accept

it as well by the end of the episode

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two, like it's mainly about how the

other characters are reacting to their

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relationship rather than how I feel

about the actual relationship itself.

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Like it's.

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It's whatever, like it's there.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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it's, it's done at them, not for them.

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Laura: yeah.

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Speaking of costuming though, that

we were just talking about, I think

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it's very funny as, okay, we, we

get Ellen and Ty coming in, but

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we also see Sasha coming in and.

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She's clearly very shifty.

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She's like making eye contact with

some guys in the room, and as we're

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going to theme, we can see that

she's got a gun in her waistband

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with her like crop top jean jacket.

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Like you should wear it, not a crop top

if you're hiding a gun in your pants.

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Ryan: Yeah.

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But I like looking at

Dana Delaney, so you know.

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And they know that too.

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This show's horny and it's gonna

do it even if it doesn't matter.

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Like this episode doesn't have ballar

in it, so we can't have a, you know,

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a routine horn factor in the episode.

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So we've gotta find it in little ways.

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So

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this is one of the little ways, like you

can't hire Dana Delaney and not have a

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little bit of a little bit of skin shown.

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And, and, and so they did it like this.

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So that way Lee looks clever later

when he also notices, because I mean,

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you can't not look, it's Dana Delaney.

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I love the bit where Ellen Ty like

bumps into her, like nearly knocks

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her over, and Dana Delaney like, gives

like this sheepish look at Ellen.

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Ty's like, I'm Ellen.

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TI don't give a fuck.

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She's like, I don't give a fuck.

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I'm Ellen t who cares?

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I'm, I'm the main

character of the show now.

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Bye.

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Just

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Ryan: beautiful.

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Laura: I love how she's just like on

Cloud nine all the time without Saul.

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Just like

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doing what?

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Ryan: she lives at the bar.

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Laura: Love that for her.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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We get this shot of the gun to theme.

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Survivor count 49,590 during the theme.

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This is down three from last episode.

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The pilot's, BB, Riley, and jojo.

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Ryan: It, it'll be down a lot more

by the end of this episode too.

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Xhafer: Yeah, there's a few.

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This one.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: So we come back and Lee

runs into Ellen at the bar as

494

Billy shows up at the bar as well.

495

And Lee is like just getting the

fuck out of there to the point where

496

it's all like, he like sees Ellen.

497

He's like, fuck, let me get outta here.

498

He goes back to Dee Billy shows

up, he's like, fuck, let me get

499

Laura: Let me get outta here.

500

Xhafer: Things are so bad.

501

He goes back to Ellen.

502

Ryan: Awesome.

503

Laura: that's a real rock

and a hard place, right?

504

Like

505

Ryan: It it's intercut as well between

the high, the high drama of Billy

506

and Dee's like relationship falling

apart and like them coming to terms

507

with that and cutting back to the more

lackadaisical energy of Lee and Ellen

508

and I, I really like that because this

show, especially when, um, Ellen shows

509

up, but this is actually where the

different times where they love cringe.

510

They just, just show loves.

511

Like last time I was on, we

had the whole dinner scene.

512

Laura: Oh yes.

513

Oh my.

514

I'm

515

Ryan: Love, this show loves to do that.

516

And, but they're doing it here

with Billy and Dee, and it's like

517

very like, oh, you just feel like

you are, you're just tightening

518

up from his, how awkward this is.

519

Like you, I like Billy, but he

comes off like, he comes off like,

520

like a fucking idiot in this scene.

521

But also Dee doesn't

come off great either.

522

But then we cut back to, oh,

some respite, Ellen and, and

523

Lee, they're just like drinking.

524

She's got her, she's got a big drink

with like the dry ice in it, and it's

525

Laura: Huh.

526

It's like smoking

527

Ryan: It's smoking,

she's blowing his face.

528

I'm like, oh, thank God

I'm saved, I'm saved.

529

From the very real feeling breakup

scene that's happening over there.

530

And you can see in the background

it's happening, which is a, a great

531

little directing detail, but, um,

how do you guys feel about Billy and

532

how he's hand, how he handled this

533

Xhafer: How he handles it.

534

He blames her.

535

For letting him propose, like, excuse me.

536

Laura: Yeah.

537

Like you kind of just barreled

that train on your own buddy.

538

Like you, you messed that

up yourself, like own it

539

Ryan: And he is also like.

540

you needed to tell me that

you were dating Leah Damo.

541

That's actually very important

that you needed to tell me that.

542

Which, um, did she, like, did

she need to tell you that?

543

Laura: Hmm.

544

Xhafer: I don't, I don't feel

like they've had much of a

545

relationship outside of friendship.

546

You know, it's, I don't know.

547

Dean Lee?

548

Yeah.

549

Laura: Yeah, I agree.

550

I mean, it hasn't seemed like

they were actually dating.

551

They, they had a very tense moment

in a boxing fight, which was like

552

ostensibly work, sort of, you know, we,

we have to stay fit, we're Galactica.

553

Ryan: Hmm.

554

Laura: And I can't remember anything

else and I'm not sure if that's

555

just my brain not filing any

556

Xhafer: there, there has, there

we have not seen anything.

557

Um, and I mean, obviously the end

of this episode leads us to believe

558

that there will be more later.

559

But as of this point, it's been,

oh, maybe a little bit of flirty ggl

560

occasionally because Lee's fucking weird.

561

And he likes glaring.

562

That is one of Lee's

main character traits.

563

I hope it's the first thing

in the character Bible.

564

Lee likes to glare.

565

Son of Camp Commander Adama

like it should be that order.

566

Ryan: Or pout.

567

He loves pouting

568

Xhafer: He's a pouty

569

boy.

570

Ryan: a

571

Laura: yeah.

572

But I, I guess I can kind of see

why Billy would like, think that,

573

'cause she got very dolled up

574

for Lee

575

Xhafer: Yeah.

576

Ryan: dama.

577

He's, he comes over with drinks

and he has that head bubble,

578

like, yeah, I'm here to fuck.

579

Like, of course you would.

580

I have not kept the track of what their

relationship was from what, just watching

581

this individual episode on its own.

582

Um, a few behind.

583

I thought that they were in a fully

committed relationship already, and

584

they just didn't tell Billy, like,

the Billy relationship hadn't ended.

585

Like she's moved on,

but they haven't talked.

586

That's how it feels.

587

So when Billy reacts that way, I

understood because like, look at it,

588

it's just one of those, like, look

at it, but then we get Ellen Tai,

589

Laura: Yes.

590

Do talk about

591

Xhafer: yes.

592

She's trying to bring Lee into the

593

Ryan: she tries to hit on him as usual.

594

She's like, Hey, do you wanna get some?

595

Because you know, that's her thing.

596

She wants to fuck everyone and

she's especially wanted to fuck

597

Elise since her first episode.

598

Let's never forget that she

put her foot right up there.

599

Um, uh.

600

She knows.

601

Um, and she has this interesting

line where she's basically, like you

602

and I are very similar where we, we

love people, but we aren't committed.

603

We aren't people who

can commit to one love.

604

Like we,

605

we dance around and we go to these things.

606

I'm like, yeah, yeah,

she's kind of nailed Julie.

607

Like, what's, what's happened

with the Starbuck thing?

608

Like, are you, you still for her or not?

609

Like, what's happening with you?

610

Like he's always got some underlying

attraction to, to someone.

611

And then if it doesn't really do

it, he kind of flip flops around.

612

Like he's a very flip floppy character.

613

And I like that.

614

Ellen's just like, I own that.

615

I own that.

616

I'm a non-committal person.

617

I own it.

618

You are a non-committal person.

619

You should own it too.

620

Like, I just think that's a very

funny observation for her to have.

621

And the episode doesn't

really linger on it.

622

But I think it's very funny because

Lee, like his ideals are very ever

623

changing depending what script he.

624

Like, sometimes he's like very much

like, I love being a military boy.

625

And then other times like,

no, the military, they can't

626

dictate things like that.

627

He, he, he, I have lots

of problems with Lee.

628

He's one of my least favorite characters,

but I just, I adore Ellen Ty just drinking

629

and look at him wanting to fuck him and

being like, you, you can't settle down.

630

I know what that's like.

631

You need to just own that fact because

you'll be happier if you, if you are,

632

I mean, everyone knows that I'm that

way and you have to just, you just have

633

to accept it after a certain point.

634

And you know what?

635

Go off Queen.

636

She's, she's, she's got it.

637

Laura: Do.

638

Does everyone know though?

639

I think there's one

person who doesn't know.

640

Ryan: Aw.

641

but but it's there because they're dumb.

642

Laura: Well, yeah,

643

Ryan: She's not making it subtle.

644

Laura: I know.

645

I know, but he's just like

willful ignorance for sure.

646

Ryan: Yeah.

647

Xhafer: You know, if it, if he doesn't

see it, then it doesn't happen.

648

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

649

Laura: Yep.

650

And it's all happening on cloud nine

'cause that's where she's at all the time.

651

So SA tie is fine.

652

And meanwhile, he's drinking

and sweating alone in his bunk.

653

Xhafer: Ugh, I ain't that the truth.

654

Lee sees Sasha's gun here and pulls

Ellen to safety, which she completely

655

misreads given the context of their

conversation, how much he is not listening

656

to the words that she is telling him.

657

And it's, it's a, it's just

like when Baltar has two

658

conversations at the same time.

659

It's that exact same writing style, but

applied to a conversation that's actually

660

happening, but they're having very

different conversations with each other

661

in that moment, and I fucking love it.

662

That's my favorite part of this show

is that double conversation thing.

663

It's my favorite, and they do it here

really well with different characters, and

664

Ryan: Yes, I enjoyed it because

it's Lee doing something clever.

665

Um, he recognizes a problem.

666

He plays it cool.

667

He play, he does play up the fact like,

oh yeah, let's go to the bathroom.

668

Like, he does play it up a bit, but

he's, he's in like military man mode.

669

He is like, I, I've assessed

a problem, a threat, a danger.

670

We've gotta do this.

671

He only takes her, he walks

through so many people, he doesn't

672

like try to like, get anyone.

673

Just her.

674

It's just the

675

Laura: Too noticeable.

676

Ryan: Yeah.

677

Not, you don't wanna make it too

678

noticeable and

679

Xhafer: if you had to pick one

person who's gonna make this

680

situation worse in that room, it is.

681

Ellen,

682

Laura: Facts.

683

Xhafer: could choose to remove one person

684

who might make this more bearable.

685

Ryan: And that's what she's like,

fuck it, I wanna be in the room.

686

I wanna make it a problem.

687

Laura: There's a problem out

there, but I can be a bigger one.

688

Ryan: Don't they know who I am?

689

Oh,

690

Laura: yeah.

691

Ryan: far out, man.

692

Ellen Ties is such a,

such a great character.

693

I loved her in this episode.

694

She's, she's somo emotional, but also

there's just this underlying thing

695

of like, but I'm having a good time.

696

I'm just, I came out to have

a good time and honestly, I'm

697

feeling so attacked right now.

698

That's Ellen Tai.

699

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

700

Yep.

701

They get outta there just in time.

702

As ses enter comrade, start their plan.

703

They seal the room.

704

They fire some guns to get

everyone corralled by the bar.

705

Laura: No guns in tube, boo.

706

Xhafer: no guns in tube.

707

Oh, fucking Sharon and Adama talk

ambushes but he also throws out that

708

her presence is no longer a secret.

709

if you do not a thousand percent trust

the, the, the enemy agent in, in the

710

cell, this is the last thing you tell

them because it lets them know that the

711

other silos in the fleet know she's there.

712

Ryan: Was this the scene where she

asks if they know because she's

713

pressing it like it's already, like

she already knows that they know.

714

She just needs him to tell, like,

I, I, I took it as like, you may as

715

well tell her because if you want

to have this relationship work,

716

there needs to be a back and forth.

717

I do think it is understandable

that he still does not trust her.

718

I mean, this is the face of someone

who shot him earlier and also she is

719

not willing to give up information.

720

She's still not willing to give up.

721

Lots of information that's very important.

722

And so it's like, hmm, yeah, I

can see why you are not going

723

to just be friendly enough.

724

You know,

725

Xhafer: Yeah.

726

Laura: what if Sharon

got the information out?

727

What if she's the one who wanted it out?

728

Xhafer: That could be beneficial

for her in a number of ways.

729

Laura: Yeah.

730

Yeah.

731

Hmm.

732

Xhafer: Lee finds the whatever

a service hash is called,

733

instead of a Jeffries tube,

734

Ryan: one that's big enough to fit a

nice, big, beefy man and it that they

735

can just walk around very easily.

736

That's

737

Xhafer: there's cameras fit in there.

738

It's so convenient.

739

Ryan: I just.

740

Ellen has her huge drink and

it's just smoking everywhere

741

and he needs that drink.

742

Like that's really why Ellen

is in this episode at all.

743

Let's be real honest, the only reason

she's here is because he needs a do dad

744

that will do a techno babble do dad.

745

And that's why she's here.

746

It's like, because realistically I want

the story to be Ellen, Ty and Lee work

747

together as an odd pairing to help save

the day, but she immediately leaves and

748

then she just stands around for the rest

of the episode and doesn't really do much.

749

And it's just Lee to do it on his

own basically, when he like of the

750

people in the room for the most part.

751

And it's kind of a bummer,

like I, you know, I want her to

752

Xhafer: I would've liked to

die hard with the two of them.

753

Ryan: Yeah, and she can be like

someone that, you know, maybe tips the

754

bad guys off that they're in there.

755

Like I could still have that stuff,

but it's basically like she's there

756

to be someone who holds a drink and

it's like, who would have a drink?

757

Oh, Alan Tye, let's bring, bring her in.

758

And she's enjoyable.

759

But yeah, he goes in and he like

finds the magical McGuffy thing and

760

he just like pours some drink on it.

761

Xhafer: Yeah, yeah.

762

Ellen's main role in this episode

after this drink is so that way when

763

they're at the table talking, Adama,

Rosalyn and Ty Adama can go, my

764

son's in there and Rosalyn can go.

765

My adopted son is in there, and Ty can go.

766

I am important too.

767

Laura: yes.

768

Xhafer: I have a reason to not

negotiate with terrorists, but we're

769

not gonna negotiate with terrorists.

770

You know, you have to, you have to

give it some stakes for him too,

771

Ryan: We have to make,

we have to make it three.

772

Even though Dee is also in there,

she doesn't have as much of an

773

important dynamic with anyone there.

774

So.

775

Xhafer: So I mean, if it were a democracy

between the three of them and it's not

776

it would be two against one, because

Ty doesn't change his opinion on this.

777

At any point.

778

So, Ellen runs out of the room

here to let everyone know that

779

they fucked up worse than Billy.

780

Well, Billy, earlier in the

episode, we'll get to that.

781

Ryan: She's like, I am one of the most

powerful people on this entire show.

782

I am married to one of the most powerful

people, so that means I'm powerful

783

and you should respect my authority.

784

And everyone just gives like the

bugeyes to the camera, especially

785

David Delaney's like, oh no.

786

I should have realized, even though

Kate Vernon is just guest star

787

in this episode, I should have

realized that she's important.

788

No, no.

789

Xhafer: Uh, Cesia calls up

Galactica with her demands.

790

She wants Sharon delivered

in the next two hours.

791

he asks, who's a board?

792

DAMA asks who's aboard after they're

done on their call, who's on cloud nine?

793

And, and it's like, well,

there's Lee pause, nothing.

794

A half dozen Marines pause, nothing.

795

Oh, and Starbucks there for

r and r get me Starbucks.

796

They, they don't try to get Lee at this

point, which is, it's just like the Adama

797

has no way of knowing Lee is held hostage.

798

Ryan: Yeah, but he doesn't

like Lee very much.

799

Laura: The only one we know is Ellen.

800

Right.

801

'cause Ellen makes it clear or

they, they, they make Ellen do

802

the first phone call, right?

803

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

804

And she doesn't say anything about Lee.

805

But why would you let Lee and

Starbuck take, like recreation

806

off the ship at the same time?

807

They're like two of your best pilots

and in charge of all the piloting.

808

Xhafer: yeah.

809

I like, I guess maybe Kat is assistant

810

Laura: Oh, yeah.

811

Kat's pretty good.

812

That's right.

813

Xhafer: Now that she's a top gun

814

and she's got that sweet $150 Stein.

815

Ryan: I'm sure hot dogs really

under, got everything under

816

control while Lee's out and about.

817

I'm the real life son of Edward James

almost, so I actually am responsible.

818

Xhafer: Yeah,

819

Laura: I am the most

important person in this show.

820

We get Gada telling us that they found

out Sasha's the widow of someone who's

821

killed an asylum attack 10 weeks ago.

822

Xhafer: Yeah.

823

Laura: Yeah.

824

So I was like trying to place this

maybe, maybe it was something that had

825

happened in the show, but I don't think

you actually get enough information to

826

be like, oh yeah, it was probably that,

you know, maybe the internet knows, but

827

Ryan: Yeah, I am sure.

828

I'm sure there's someone knows out there.

829

Please write in what episode

was this guy killed in.

830

Please let us know.

831

Ronald.

832

Ronald D.

833

Moore.

834

I know you are listening 'cause

this show thus far has a pretty

835

successful track record of creators

of the show listening to the pod.

836

So please write in, let us know.

837

Xhafer: Oh no.

838

Laura: Yikes.

839

Yikes.

840

Xhafer: I don't want him mad at me too.

841

Laura: Yeah.

842

We love, we love you Ronnie D.

843

Please don't hate us.

844

Xhafer: star Bes meets up with

three Marines here and uh,

845

Lee gets found out here 'cause

846

Ryan: Well, no, no, no, no, no.

847

He on purposely gets himself found.

848

He has the upper hand and then he decides,

okay, I'm gonna knock this guy out.

849

He has, he is.

850

He, he, he was hidden.

851

They didn't know where the fuck he was.

852

Laura: that's true.

853

Ryan: And then he decides like

dumbass, I don't know if this

854

is him 40 D, chess it or what.

855

He takes one of them hostage.

856

He's like, Hey, give it up, baby.

857

You know, I'm in charge.

858

I'm Leah dama.

859

You don't wanna mess with me.

860

You know who my dad is.

861

This is a lot of Nepo babies

in this episode being like,

862

do you know who my daddy

863

is?

864

Um.

865

And then he, for some reason, 'cause

he loves Dee so much, he keeps like, I

866

fucking Dee during this entire thing.

867

And Dana Delaney correctly goes,

well, they're obviously together,

868

so fucking aim a gun at her.

869

He's a coward.

870

He won't kill us if we

kill her, so fuck it.

871

And then he, he gives up his

gun because he was a dumb ass.

872

Isn't he like one of the best

trained soldiers in the show?

873

Like, isn't that his thing?

874

Like he's one of the best, he doesn't

know how to handle any, like he

875

had the drop, he was being clever

and then he just flushes it away

876

so that we can heighten the stakes.

877

Like we can

878

Xhafer: Yeah, so we can have an episode

because this episode would be over 20

879

minutes in, if he does exactly what

he should have, which is choked out,

880

the guy took the gun, waited for the

oxygen sensor to go off, and for them

881

to all turn around and start freaking

out, pop out the bathroom and just pop,

882

pop, pop you, you got it, episode over.

883

But that, you know,

doesn't lead to Billy dying

884

Ryan: But you could still have it,

like, you know, Starbucks comes in

885

and it disrupts his plans and you

could still have like the messiness,

886

but it, the problem is you make an

episode and you sacrifice character,

887

integrity and intelligence for it.

888

That's the issue here, is I,

889

Xhafer: happens multiple times to

multiple characters in this episode.

890

It's

891

Ryan: yeah,

892

Xhafer: the end of the

episode's, supremely

893

Ryan: it's a shame because Lee was

the one given the, the, the, the

894

saddle here to ride and be like

the hero and be the one who noticed

895

the thing when no one else did.

896

And for what?

897

For what?

898

So he can pour some drink on a do dad that

basically does nothing in the episode.

899

Like all it does is just make

Dana Delaney a little bit more

900

mad, just a little bit more mad.

901

Not even a whole bunch

more mad, just a little.

902

It's not like she kills someone over it.

903

She threatens to kill someone over it.

904

Like, so what?

905

What's the difference to what it

was like five minutes ago other

906

than you made Lee Insufferably dumb?

907

Laura: Is this us or is this the show

wanting us to think that Lee's got

908

all those principles and whatever,

so he couldn't kill that guy.

909

Ryan: That or damn Lee's love for D is so

true that it undermines his ability as a

910

wonderful soldier who could save the day.

911

Hmm.

912

Because he can't help but keep

looking at her when he's like, do

913

like he's in charge of the situation.

914

He basically has deescalated the

situation and he just can't help but

915

keep looking at Dee with loving eyes.

916

And then that gives them away.

917

Like, is that what they're going

918

Laura: I, yeah.

919

I just can't, I can't, I

can't get, I can't with this.

920

Yeah.

921

Yeah.

922

I.

923

Xhafer: Speaking of, I can't Lee's talking

with them and the uh, oxygen trap goes

924

off so that all the alarms are going off.

925

Sasha thinks it's a trap, and

then Lee's all like, I don't know.

926

Dummy, you fired a gun in a spaceship.

927

That's a bad idea.

928

My brother in Vallen Lee, you

have fired more guns in spaceships

929

than anyone on the show.

930

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

931

So he knows better than

anyone else how dangerous

932

Laura: I was just glad

the show acknowledged it.

933

'cause we've been saying for I don't

know how many episodes now, oh my God.

934

All these guns in the tube and the show

went, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

935

Ryan: You know, you really, you

936

really, yeah.

937

You really miss the days

of Babylon five, don't you?

938

Where they had like, their very specific

type of guns designed because if you fired

939

a real gun in a ship, it would do damage.

940

Like Yeah.

941

You kind of go, oh, you know what?

942

Maybe the PPGs were cool, even

though they were little guns.

943

Xhafer: That was the best part

of the Netflix Cowboy Bebop.

944

Ryan: That, and when it ended.

945

Laura: Roasted.

946

Xhafer: I really liked that.

947

Anyways, uh Papa Dama here

is talking to Star Bees.

948

There are more Marines on the way, but

she calls to let him know, oh, wait.

949

Fuck,

950

Laura: we talk about the Marines shirts?

951

Ryan: Can we talk about all of the

outfits in this as forever and always?

952

Xhafer: Yeah.

953

Laura: I think all of the Marines are

wearing Hawaiian shirts like Jafer.

954

You have not, it's not quite

a Hawaiian shirt, but it's,

955

it's got tropical vibes on.

956

Xhafer: I'm wearing,

yeah, my oranges shirt.

957

This is my gay pirate shirt.

958

Um, if you are unaware of the,

our flag means death fandom.

959

This is the unofficial crew

uniform from a couple years ago.

960

Laura: Okay.

961

Yeah, they're, they're rocking

that sort of vibe, all of these

962

marines, and I just love it.

963

I love that.

964

Like we can't go to like a beach

planet anymore because we're on the

965

run and all that, but we're gonna

still beach it up on cloud nine.

966

Yeah.

967

Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

968

Ryan: Did they pa, did they have that

already packed with them when the

969

event of the CACs of Humanity went off?

970

Or did, was there like a really,

really successful clothes

971

shop at Cloud nine right now?

972

That's acing it?

973

They're like, yes,

974

Laura: Mm-hmm.

975

Mm-hmm.

976

Or these black market shirts.

977

Did you have to go to the

black market to get these?

978

Ryan: Yeah.

979

Xhafer: They actually just

raided my wardrobe from when

980

I worked at the produce place.

981

Ryan: I can't wait.

982

You know, not to spoil anything,

but, you know, I can't wait when the

983

series finale is going to be a Life

on a Colony episode and it's about the

984

tailor of, of Battlestar Galactica and

like all the different outfits they

985

make for Adama and Lee and Rosalyn

and like, he's just constantly like,

986

oh God, I've gotta make sure they

don't have pockets in their pants.

987

I gotta make sure of that for realism.

988

Xhafer: star be's and Adama talk,

she calls to let him know that

989

Lee's captured, he's unmoved.

990

If they die, they die.

991

It's all like, it's, we can't

negotiate with these terrorists.

992

So, uh, Sasha doesn't bite when

Adama tells her why she feels

993

the way she does and instead just

continues to demand the oxygen line be

994

Ryan: Well, you say she doesn't bite.

995

She openly weeps and is like,

I'm not crazy now, do what I say.

996

That's the same as biting.

997

Like he, he has rattled her.

998

We, the audience can see it and he can

hear it like he knows it's working.

999

She says one thing, but

it's clearly the, the other.

00:43:50,105 --> 00:43:54,275

She has this giant speech where she

basically nails down the entire show

00:43:54,545 --> 00:44:00,555

where she's like, you stupid fucks You

have been infiltrated from top to bottom.

00:44:00,705 --> 00:44:04,335

Are you not worried about like, just one

day a asylum just taking control of a

00:44:04,335 --> 00:44:05,985

nuclear device and fucking killing us all?

00:44:05,985 --> 00:44:08,535

Like she just like fucking

hammers in the thing.

00:44:08,565 --> 00:44:10,485

And you are working with these people.

00:44:10,515 --> 00:44:14,175

What for, you know that they

basically killed our entire species.

00:44:14,205 --> 00:44:15,705

I don't give a shit about that.

00:44:15,735 --> 00:44:16,815

Yeah, they killed my husband.

00:44:17,055 --> 00:44:18,345

Yeah, that's someone else they killed.

00:44:18,495 --> 00:44:21,225

Like she's got it down pat.

00:44:21,255 --> 00:44:23,985

But the show also wants you to be

like, nah, but aren't silence's

00:44:23,985 --> 00:44:25,485

all right though, a little bit.

00:44:25,515 --> 00:44:27,255

Don't you, don't you feel

like one of them's pregnant?

00:44:27,855 --> 00:44:29,835

Isn't that, isn't that very empathetic?

00:44:30,255 --> 00:44:32,655

Isn't that very, you know,

doesn't that warm your heart?

00:44:32,775 --> 00:44:36,105

'cause she's a mom to be, isn't

that, isn't that emotional?

00:44:36,885 --> 00:44:39,675

Xhafer: I can't wait for, I

think it's two episodes from now.

00:44:41,490 --> 00:44:45,580

Laura: Yeah, there was definitely a

moment in Adama talking to Sharon, where

00:44:45,580 --> 00:44:47,170

she's like, oh, the baby's kicking.

00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:49,600

And I was just like, I, Hmm.

00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:54,460

Like Sharon keeps doing like a

useful, helpful thing, and then

00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:58,390

a very clearly manipulative thing

in the same episode, and I'm like,

00:44:58,485 --> 00:45:01,300

Ugh, I can't, I can't get behind it.

00:45:01,330 --> 00:45:03,280

'cause of the thing you just did,

00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:05,350

Ryan: Well that's been her

character from the beginning,

00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,750

like, but how much of it is the show

wants you to believe that she had

00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:14,290

been humanized and evolved from that

because she genuinely fell in love

00:45:14,290 --> 00:45:19,300

with Hilo and how much of it is they

are playing in the fact that you

00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:21,130

can't, you can't tell which it is.

00:45:21,490 --> 00:45:23,500

I don't know because we never

got to see her and Helio's

00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:24,760

relationship in season one.

00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,370

'cause all they got to do is

climb a ladder and you know,

00:45:27,370 --> 00:45:28,900

do jack shit in season one.

00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:30,130

So I can't buy that.

00:45:30,145 --> 00:45:31,855

Xhafer: They ran through that sewer.

00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:32,680

Ryan: Yeah,

00:45:32,815 --> 00:45:33,355

Laura: a sewer.

00:45:33,355 --> 00:45:33,595

Yeah.

00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:34,060

Ryan: I can't

00:45:34,075 --> 00:45:35,305

Xhafer: They hung out in a barn.

00:45:35,350 --> 00:45:38,200

Ryan: But it is that thing, like the

show does bank on a lot of these things.

00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,200

Like you just have to naturally

fill in certain things.

00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:47,410

Like, I hate that Dana Delaney

is given this big speech.

00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:51,880

She's completely correct, but she's

being portrayed as just a, she's

00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,590

no longer just a grieving person.

00:45:53,650 --> 00:45:56,200

She's no longer just a

terrorist, but she's hysterical.

00:45:56,710 --> 00:46:00,627

And uh, we don't really have to take

any value in anything she believes in.

00:46:00,627 --> 00:46:04,047

And I hate that because although, yeah,

she's a terrorist and she's a bad guy.

00:46:04,047 --> 00:46:08,127

I don't like how this show often will

have, like anyone who's a voice of uh,

00:46:08,143 --> 00:46:13,243

resistance or opposition to our glorious

characters who are the establishment.

00:46:13,243 --> 00:46:14,473

They're probably villains.

00:46:15,013 --> 00:46:19,933

Zarik, you know, he, he's a villainous

guy because anytime he says normal things.

00:46:20,323 --> 00:46:24,313

He gives an evil smirk and the

music plays sinisterly and like

00:46:24,343 --> 00:46:25,903

he's rubbing his hands together.

00:46:25,903 --> 00:46:27,313

But what he says is normal.

00:46:27,313 --> 00:46:28,873

He's like, we should have democracy.

00:46:31,378 --> 00:46:32,638

Ooh, democracy.

00:46:33,178 --> 00:46:35,173

Ooh, I'm

00:46:35,338 --> 00:46:36,148

Laura: Oh my God.

00:46:36,148 --> 00:46:38,038

That's America though right now.

00:46:38,038 --> 00:46:38,488

Like,

00:46:38,743 --> 00:46:39,103

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:46:40,093 --> 00:46:40,993

It was America then.

00:46:40,993 --> 00:46:41,683

And it's America

00:46:41,713 --> 00:46:46,123

Ryan: and this episode is taking what

is a hostage situation and escalating

00:46:46,123 --> 00:46:48,163

in into a terrorist situation.

00:46:48,163 --> 00:46:48,913

Very much so.

00:46:48,913 --> 00:46:50,683

Like she's here with a political agenda.

00:46:50,683 --> 00:46:55,543

It's not just like, oh, I'm doing die hard

where I'm robbing, robbing this place.

00:46:55,543 --> 00:46:58,033

Like she has a political agenda in mind.

00:46:58,363 --> 00:47:02,053

But the episode doesn't actually want

to tap into what that is because if

00:47:02,053 --> 00:47:05,083

you did, it would make you question

more about our main characters.

00:47:05,083 --> 00:47:07,033

And they are the establishment

that's in charge.

00:47:07,033 --> 00:47:10,933

And we can only have it be questioned

when other members of the establishment

00:47:10,993 --> 00:47:16,587

question it because all of the

main characters in BSG uh, power.

00:47:16,992 --> 00:47:18,912

None of them are just

regular, normal people.

00:47:18,912 --> 00:47:21,912

There is no, there's not many

blue collar folks in this show.

00:47:21,912 --> 00:47:22,872

They're all the elite.

00:47:22,902 --> 00:47:24,132

They're all the best of the best.

00:47:24,132 --> 00:47:27,702

Even Billy, who's like a normal guy,

he's basically the press secretary

00:47:28,932 --> 00:47:32,592

of, and isn't it weird that Dana

Delaney doesn't recognize that?

00:47:32,922 --> 00:47:35,682

Like if you are her, wouldn't you

immediately go, oh, that's like

00:47:35,682 --> 00:47:37,362

the right hand of the president

00:47:37,722 --> 00:47:37,992

right

00:47:37,992 --> 00:47:38,292

there.

00:47:38,337 --> 00:47:39,807

Laura: I wondered the same thing.

00:47:39,867 --> 00:47:40,257

Yeah.

00:47:40,257 --> 00:47:43,137

I was like, 'cause she's, she's

all freaking out about Ellen Tai

00:47:43,137 --> 00:47:47,187

and it's like, does nobody see that

Billy is always standing behind

00:47:47,187 --> 00:47:49,857

Rosalyn in the broadcast or whatever?

00:47:49,857 --> 00:47:50,697

Like what?

00:47:51,102 --> 00:47:54,702

Ryan: But that's the, I think the

ultimate failure of, um, these

00:47:54,702 --> 00:47:56,652

Life of the Colony episodes is.

00:47:57,582 --> 00:48:02,862

They on purposely in this show wanted

to humanize people outside of our

00:48:02,862 --> 00:48:07,272

elite echelon of people, but they just

don't know how to do it very much in

00:48:07,272 --> 00:48:11,202

this, I feel like you can feel the

remnants of being Star Trek writers.

00:48:11,232 --> 00:48:16,032

'cause Star Trek are always following

like military officer type people.

00:48:16,032 --> 00:48:20,172

Often, not always DS nine had its

fair share, but like I feel like it

00:48:20,172 --> 00:48:21,612

just, this show is guilty of that.

00:48:21,612 --> 00:48:26,382

It's like they know how to write Daddy

dama military man, but they don't

00:48:26,382 --> 00:48:31,632

know how to write what just let's just

like normal people who aren't that.

00:48:31,632 --> 00:48:33,852

Like what, what do they feel about things?

00:48:33,852 --> 00:48:39,612

And it's like, either they're

dumb, insane zealots, infuriatingly

00:48:39,612 --> 00:48:42,882

incompetent, or it doesn't matter

what they think and yet this episode

00:48:42,882 --> 00:48:45,732

does bring you stuff and it's like,

well you shouldn't take it seriously.

00:48:45,762 --> 00:48:48,132

'cause she's just hysterical

and crazy because she's a

00:48:48,132 --> 00:48:49,632

woman who misses her husband.

00:48:49,632 --> 00:48:52,362

And anything she said about

the establishment doesn't

00:48:52,362 --> 00:48:53,352

matter because she's wrong.

00:48:54,012 --> 00:48:54,252

It's like.

00:48:55,127 --> 00:48:55,287

Xhafer: Yep.

00:48:55,977 --> 00:48:58,047

Laura: Where's my bow and Mac episode?

00:48:58,827 --> 00:48:59,937

I need bow and Mac?

00:49:01,855 --> 00:49:05,035

Xhafer: T takes a real hard

line that they can't negotiate

00:49:05,035 --> 00:49:07,885

with terrorists, but also Adama.

00:49:07,885 --> 00:49:10,075

You've gotten a little

too close to Sharon.

00:49:12,715 --> 00:49:13,005

Laura: Yeah.

00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,810

Xhafer: Just like, I'll tell you this,

and not the terrorists that they're

00:49:16,810 --> 00:49:19,880

right, but they might have a point

00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:21,770

Ryan: She's a fracking silent

00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:23,960

Xhafer: That's pretty good.

00:49:24,020 --> 00:49:24,350

Ryan: man.

00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:24,980

Xhafer: good impression.

00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:28,490

Ryan: Um, he's got a point though, right?

00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:32,870

Like, is a DMA two in league with Sharon?

00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:35,690

Like, is he losing objectivity here?

00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:38,840

Is he, because he keeps

justifying it by being like, well,

00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,610

military wise it's justified.

00:49:40,610 --> 00:49:44,270

What I'm doing and everything that I'm

doing here is on a military level wise.

00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:48,500

And then we have Ty, who's also a

military person saying, well, I disagree.

00:49:49,595 --> 00:49:50,045

Laura: Yeah.

00:49:50,135 --> 00:49:51,095

I don't like it, bro.

00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:57,020

Xhafer: We cut over to Starbuck,

who volunteers to play repairman,

00:49:57,335 --> 00:49:57,965

Laura: Of course.

00:49:58,740 --> 00:50:00,575

Xhafer: After Lee's work

has proven to be useful.

00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:05,970

They do know that the O2 is fine

and that it's just a sensor issue.

00:50:05,970 --> 00:50:08,760

They have that confirmed so they

don't have any actual danger.

00:50:09,045 --> 00:50:11,565

Laura: And they're sure it was

Lee, 'cause only Lee's mind

00:50:11,565 --> 00:50:12,700

could come up with this thing.

00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:14,310

Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

00:50:14,310 --> 00:50:16,080

We all know Billy's fucking useless.

00:50:16,110 --> 00:50:19,230

Ryan: been marvelous if it was

actually Ellen, I came up with it.

00:50:20,775 --> 00:50:22,395

Laura: See that's the episode we need.

00:50:22,395 --> 00:50:23,985

We need them buddying up with it.

00:50:23,985 --> 00:50:26,595

And then Ellen being like, oh,

let me put my drink under here.

00:50:27,825 --> 00:50:28,245

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:50:28,830 --> 00:50:32,340

Ryan: Nothing can't be

sold with a spicy mug.

00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:33,150

Like Yeah.

00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:34,440

That's what she's all about.

00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:35,550

She's just like, nothing.

00:50:35,550 --> 00:50:39,840

Everything can be sold for the margarita

and she just dances her way through.

00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:40,110

Yeah.

00:50:41,025 --> 00:50:44,625

Laura: I mean, I'm, I'm kind

of coming around on Ellen.

00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:45,460

Yeah.

00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:46,060

Mm-hmm.

00:50:47,367 --> 00:50:47,787

Xhafer: Uh,

00:50:48,897 --> 00:50:51,207

Uck gets in, gets halfway across

the room when they're like, wait,

00:50:51,207 --> 00:50:52,797

we should check that toolbox again.

00:50:53,127 --> 00:50:55,557

Surprise Double pistols.

00:50:56,477 --> 00:50:56,767

Laura: Yeah.

00:50:57,042 --> 00:50:59,982

Was who was staring, who was

looking at the box Too much?

00:50:59,982 --> 00:51:01,662

Somebody was looking at the box too much.

00:51:01,662 --> 00:51:02,442

Was it Lee?

00:51:02,982 --> 00:51:03,792

Xhafer: Probably

00:51:04,002 --> 00:51:04,962

Laura: why they noticed it.

00:51:04,962 --> 00:51:05,832

Somebody was looking

00:51:05,892 --> 00:51:06,192

Ryan: Yeah.

00:51:06,192 --> 00:51:08,742

He, he mistook it for D and

he just kept looking at it.

00:51:08,742 --> 00:51:09,042

Yeah.

00:51:10,842 --> 00:51:12,672

Xhafer: the box was actually

in the same dress he

00:51:12,672 --> 00:51:13,362

was wearing.

00:51:13,632 --> 00:51:14,617

It was a big faux pa.

00:51:15,162 --> 00:51:17,982

Laura: I wrote that it was Ellen that

Ellen was looking at the box too much.

00:51:18,222 --> 00:51:18,732

Ryan: Ah, yeah.

00:51:18,732 --> 00:51:21,522

She saw, she saw a long tool

in there and just got happy.

00:51:22,062 --> 00:51:23,052

Laura: It was just like, oh,

00:51:24,192 --> 00:51:26,322

well this doesn't seem to be

working out with Lee tonight.

00:51:26,322 --> 00:51:26,892

So

00:51:27,252 --> 00:51:29,172

Ryan: Have you got something

that vibrates in that toolbox?

00:51:29,172 --> 00:51:29,262

Hmm.

00:51:29,592 --> 00:51:30,162

That's Ellen.

00:51:30,192 --> 00:51:33,642

She's constantly thinking about like,

what can I use for my own pleasure?

00:51:34,332 --> 00:51:35,412

Oh, what a queen.

00:51:35,442 --> 00:51:36,042

Love her.

00:51:38,052 --> 00:51:41,482

Xhafer: So Starbucks shoots somebody

she takes out one of the goons.

00:51:41,662 --> 00:51:44,542

The goons take out two of the

Marines, and then Starbuck

00:51:44,542 --> 00:51:46,762

fucking shoots Lee in the chaos.

00:51:48,556 --> 00:51:49,696

Laura: Star bees.

00:51:50,026 --> 00:51:51,016

Star bees.

00:51:52,396 --> 00:51:53,901

She's supposed to be the sniper too.

00:51:54,241 --> 00:51:54,541

Ryan: Yeah.

00:51:54,781 --> 00:51:55,171

Oh yeah.

00:51:56,461 --> 00:51:57,451

Xhafer: If Lee dies in this

00:51:57,571 --> 00:51:57,781

Ryan: Yeah.

00:51:58,171 --> 00:52:01,261

Wouldn't there be the twist

Lee dies at at Billy's phone?

00:52:04,576 --> 00:52:04,846

Laura: Yeah.

00:52:06,136 --> 00:52:07,756

What kind of fallout would we have?

00:52:07,816 --> 00:52:10,696

Because I, I have a feeling there's

gonna be some sort of fallout

00:52:10,696 --> 00:52:13,006

from mommy's adopted son dying.

00:52:13,036 --> 00:52:14,896

So what if daddy's real son had died?

00:52:14,896 --> 00:52:15,166

I don't

00:52:15,486 --> 00:52:15,906

Ryan: mm-hmm.

00:52:16,096 --> 00:52:16,546

Laura: Yeah.

00:52:17,336 --> 00:52:21,176

Xhafer: Sasha closes the door as Starbuck

and the Surviving Marine make it out.

00:52:21,686 --> 00:52:26,066

Dee rushes to Lee and

even Billy helps out here.

00:52:26,366 --> 00:52:29,666

My notes say real Lanier incel energy.

00:52:30,866 --> 00:52:31,466

Laura: Oh,

00:52:31,496 --> 00:52:32,876

I thought it was genuine.

00:52:33,566 --> 00:52:38,426

Ryan: It feels real because he, he

doesn't just immediately go over there.

00:52:38,666 --> 00:52:41,906

Like he is like having people

point guns at him and like, he

00:52:41,906 --> 00:52:45,086

slowly stands up and is like, Hey,

I didn't tell you to stand up.

00:52:45,266 --> 00:52:46,286

I love that line delivery.

00:52:46,286 --> 00:52:47,486

That was such a good line delivery.

00:52:47,486 --> 00:52:48,386

The guy, I just said it so bad.

00:52:48,446 --> 00:52:49,796

I, I didn't tell you to stand up buddy.

00:52:49,801 --> 00:52:52,676

And, and just Billy

does the ultimate thing.

00:52:52,676 --> 00:52:55,436

This is how you know he is not gonna be

around any longer because he actually

00:52:55,436 --> 00:52:56,816

has points of view that makes sense.

00:52:57,176 --> 00:53:01,136

Um, and that he has strong convictions

when usually he's a very meek man.

00:53:01,136 --> 00:53:05,036

He's just like, Hey, do you know what

the fuck's gonna go on if that guy dies?

00:53:05,186 --> 00:53:07,526

So I'm gonna go over there

and just, Dana Delaney's just

00:53:07,526 --> 00:53:09,116

like, yeah, he's, he's correct.

00:53:09,116 --> 00:53:09,836

You should do that.