When you think of art, where does your mind go?

Art isn’t just about a famous painting on a museum wall, or the powerful acting in a movie like The Fault in Our Stars. It encompasses that and so much more — from the doodles in your notebook to the creative spark I’m using right now to write this description.

In this National Art Day special, we re-introduce the concept of art, reminding ourselves that it’s not exclusive to those who pursue it professionally. We dive into the many ways art supports our well-being — mentally, physically, socially, culturally, and even spiritually. We talk about embracing creativity without guilt or perfectionism, and for those who do pursue it professionally, how to balance art as both passion and work.

These reflections come to life as our host, Susu B., sits down with Karma, an artist, writer, and recent Visual Arts graduate from York University, and a member of the on-campus arts collective Studio Hurricane, to explore what it truly means to live creatively.

Join us on this journey and discover how even something as simple as pondering the late-night stars can be its own form of art!

Resources:

• Creative Art Therapy Association: https://catayu.club.yorku.ca/
• https://ampd.yorku.ca/ampd-to-host-national-portfolio-day-on-november-4/
• National Portfolio Day (November 1st) https://ampd.yorku.ca/npd/
• The Goldfarb Gallery: https://thegoldfarbgallery.ca/
• https://www.yorku.ca/scld/eleanor-winters-art-gallery/
• Creative Arts Workshop: https://www.yorku.ca/colleges/ccsc/creative-arts-workshops/
• Visual Arts Studio: https://futurestudents.yorku.ca/program/visual-arts
• Studio Hurricane Creative Club @shcreativeclub (Instagram)
• Creative Writing Students Association @cwsayorku (Instagram)
• VASA (Visual arts students association)
• CASA (creative arts student association)

Susu B.: Hey YU. Welcome to your future favorite podcast, if it's not already well-being and you with your host, Susu B. Think about the first time you were introduced to the word art. Was it that one cousin everyone begged to paint their portrait at family gatherings? Or maybe it was the musician playing passionately in the middle of a subway station during your daily commute or perhaps it was the first time you stepped on a high school stage and felt the dramatic air of greatness hit your face. These are moments we recognized as art. But what if I told you that art is also found in things you do every day? Like arranging your outfit, singing in the shower or even pausing to watch the Sky change colors at the sunset. You don't have to carry the title artist for art to play a meaningful Role in your life.

Susu B.: In fact, many of these quite creative acts are already supporting your well-being in ways you may not even realize. In today's episode coinciding with National Art Day, we're diving into the world of art. Not just the kind that hangs on walls, but the kind that lives in your day-to-day life. We'll explore how artistic expression can support your mental, emotional, physical, social, and even spiritual well-being. In this episode, I had the distinct pleasure of speaking with Karma. Karma is an artist, writer, and recent visual arts graduate from York University. She is a member of the arts collective Studio Hurricane, which also functions as an on-campus student club. I really hope you can join us on this journey. A few mindful minutes can really make a difference. So, let's dive into our conversation with Karma.

Susu B.: Karma, how are you doing today?

Karma: I'm doing good, how are you?

Susu B.: I'm doing great. it's a beautiful day outside, so, I feel like that's the type of day when you want to talk about art. just because I feel art and nature are connected in one way or another for sure. And yeah, so I guess we'll go ahead and talk about our topic and make another connection between art and wellness. So, what is the importance of art from a wellness perspective? In your experience, how can engaging with art positively impact your well-being?

Karma: I think the thing about art is it's like everywhere, it's everything, it's anything. So, it's just the basic form of expression that any person would have. You know, that's what art is. So, in my experience, I've created a lot of art around mental health and well-being. it's a way to start talking about things without talking about them very directly. You know, subjects that are really hard to talk about maybe are easily expressed through creative methods. Yeah. And I know that art, is a big, big reason why I have a community. You know, like, it was when I was in like elementary school that was like the one way I made friends, you know, drawing, connecting with people, showing them my drawings, and even like teaching other people how to draw, you know, sharing doodles with each other during class.

Susu B.: I like that you're mentioning that because, when we're rooting all of our episodes in, the wellbeing strategy, and we talk a lot about the different types of well-being. So there's social well-being. That's something that people usually, usually people think of mental, mental health, physical health, but they don't think about. Social well-being is a big part. And I'm glad that art is a way where you can just connect with people.

Karma: It definitely is. Yeah. Like just coming to York here, like the community spaces, you know, being part of clubs like Studio Hurricane, I mentioned in my bio, I think, and Vasa and casa, you know, these organizations, some of them provide grants and opportunities. So, it allows you to connect with, spaces and people and get together and have your own show. So that is a really big part of community building here in the visual arts program. a lot of people will have their on-site shows, like in house galleries that we have at York. So. So they'll have shows and everybody will come out to like celebrate. You know, your peers are celebrating you. And like there's food, there's snacks, there's drinks sometimes.

Susu B.: that's a good celebration.

Karma: Yeah, yeah. And it's all free, you know. And so, you come in, you look at the art and you talk about really it's a social medium of expression, you know. Yeah, yeah.

Susu B.: And I feel like even. I feel like considering what type of art, but it could even impact physical well-being. Like for example, for sure. I don't know. Acting, that's.

Karma: Or dancing. Yeah. Or even some people don't think about it. But even doing some of these really large paintings can be really visceral and like you're throwing your body into the paint, into the strokes.

Susu B.: Yeah. Even just like the brush, the movement. It is a lot of movement, for sure. so, I completely understand the connection between, art and even spiritual beings. For example. I know for sure because you mentioned dancing. It made me think of music. And I know there is like religious, hymns, I think that's what they call it. And that's another method, that art is really just like you said, connected in every single thing, every way.

Karma: Yeah, yeah. Actually, in my work I use a lot of spiritual motifs as well, like lotus flowers and like, and mythological creatures like unicorns, you know. Yeah. So, it definitely does touch on like, spirituality for a lot of people because it's so personal, you know.

Susu B.: Right. yeah, we have another episode on spiritual well-being and that's why, I'm influenced by that because it is a very, I think for spirituality, it's just as you said, it's about you and your identity and that's what you bring into art.

Karma: Yeah. And art can be like your own spiritual code. You know, a lot of religious, maybe people, philosophers have developed their own code through like poetry and art, you know.

Susu B.: So that makes sense. So, it's your own conversation, with the divine.

Karma: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Susu B.: So, we kind of mentioned a, ah, lot of, you know, the stereotypical views on art. Like we said, dancing, acting, many students might believe that arts are exclusive to stereotypical forms like painting, drawing, dancing, acting, what are some everyday things students might already be doing that could be considered art?

Karma: I think even just talking to one another, you know, making small connections in like, classrooms, just doing spontaneous things, like creative things. That in itself is an artistic, moment, you know, when you connect with people anywhere, like a club, at like, at a bar, in a restaurant, wherever you are. That's. I feel like art isn't limited to just like these artistic things, you know, like these very stereotypical. Yeah, you said like artistic things like, oh, I draw, I paint, it's no, I talk, I exist, I am, I am a being, I'm here, I'm with you. Like that, that can be art, you know, I feel like it's a different sort of attitude that people don't really think about.

Susu B.: Yeah, that makes absolute sense. I'm writing this down because to me that's like the quote of the day. and yeah, I completely agree. I think I even read somewhere that, journaling, for example, expressive writing is obviously considered.

Karma: Oh my God. Yeah. I'm a writer as well, and journaling is a big part of my practice because it gives you insight into your own psyche, you know, like you're digging through your own layers. And a lot of what we make as artists is it comes from the things that we consume. Right, right. So, I used to do a lot of surrealist writing, automatic writing. So, it's just like stream of consciousness basically. Right. And you write and write and you notice these patterns of like, of other authors and their Words and their thoughts coming through.

Susu B.: So, for those who don't know, stream of consciousness is more of like, you just let your brain do its thing and you just write something.

Karma: The pen to the paper, and you let the pen move by itself, literally. Like, There's a form of surrealistic automatic drawing as well, actually. And I practice that too, but. Yeah, I forget what the question was.

Susu B.: Oh, my God, I don't know the question.

Karma: That's the point of art. We're just in the flow. Yeah, exactly. Like a flow state. You know, you enter the flow state, and you just keep going with it.

Susu B.: Right. so, going back to the question a little bit, why do you think these beautiful forms of art that are not the stereotypical one are often overlooked?

Karma: I think because, there's like this hierarchy, and this probably has to do a lot with classism. you know, like, looking at art like its a, fine art or like. Well, I mean, and there is certain respect to fine art and crafts. But, like, even the making a distinguishing, like, feature of, like, that's crafts and that's fine arts and that's writing and that's this and that's that. It's like. It's kind of bullshit, in my opinion. I feel like it's unrealistic.. It's like it sets up these boundaries and, like, these barriers for a lot of people. Like, I worked as a gallery attendant, and I've seen many, many folks come in. I worked at the AGYU, actually, the Jonah Martin Goldfarb Gallery on campus. And I watched people come in over the years. And, like, some people are like, oh, it's a gallery, so I have to dress up a certain way and interact with the art in a certain way. And then other people just walk in, and they just exist with the art and they experience the art, you know. And I think it's. Yeah, the whole distinction of, like, there's a painting on the wall, this is how you're meant to experience it, or this is the book in front of you. This is how you're meant to experience. You know, like, there's this hierarchy and there's like this sort of inaccessibility that we put on to art, you know, when really you can go to the dollar store and, like, there's really great supplies at the dollar store to make art, you know, or you can, yeah, just write anything you want. And it's art. And people, I think, judge themselves too much and, you know, like, how do I say this, they think there's all these prereqs to, interpreting art or like making art when there really are conditions. Yeah. It's just you holding yourself back and maybe the people around you and their preconceived notions, you know, of what art is.

Susu B.: No, that makes absolute sense. And I'm glad you're talking about even. How do you present yourself in front of art? Like, sometimes I probably am one of those people who overthought once, like, oh, I'm going to a gallery. What is the dress code? Right.

Karma: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Susu B.: And, and even, for example, like as you said, how to experience the art itself. personally, whenever I go to a gallery, I don't read the story next.

Karma: Yes. I want to experience my own way. Yeah, yeah. Like I never, I've stopped reading the captions on the side. Just like as soon as I walk in, I'll walk around, I'll feel what I'm drawn to. I'll go there. Right. And at the end of it, I'll look at, you know, the wall text or the exhibition panels or whatever.

Susu B.: Yeah. Just the experience, how the other person might have experienced it.

Karma: Yeah.

Susu B.: Which is another form of art. Just like, you know, trying to have this empathy to think about how that person was feeling at the time. But it doesn't mean.

Karma: And interpret their intentions exactly.

Susu B.: Yeah. as students we may want to engage with art and just like we're saying whether it was creating it or simply experiencing through visiting a gallery or attending a play. But we might feel guilty about the time commitment. That's another thing. That's another layer of why you would not do it. How do you personally stay motivated to make time for art even with a busy schedule?

Karma: Oh, yeah, it can be hard sometimes because art can be demanding. You know, once you really get into it, you really want to give your all for it. so, it is a difficult task, but I feel like it's been done by many people in the world. And so, it's definitely doable. I would say if you have like a full-time job, there's definitely ways to sneak things in there. You know, like journaling every day. We talked about, you know, journaling is art or drawing in a sketchbook, like keeping a sketchbook. Practice is so important to like, you know, any artist, any visual artist. Just having something you note, take ideas in throughout the day. You know, whether it's a little sketch, a doodle, like a poem, a line or two.

Susu B.: Yeah.

Susu B.: Even on Your notes app. Because I feel like a lot of it is also about this, ritualistic view that I need to be self. Sitting down.

Karma: Yeah. You know, my equipment for art, it's a romantic idea. Yeah, yeah.

Susu B.: But sometimes it could be as simple as, you know, I have tons of poems on my notes, and it just happened to come to me like that.

Karma: Yeah, yeah.

Susu B.: And I, I completely understand the concerns, like, about, time commitment. Also, financial sometimes.

Karma: Oh, yeah.

Susu B.: Because, you know, just like, we're talking about, like, you know, well-being, there is this aspect of, like, financial well-being, which there's an episode on, by the way, if you guys want to listen to. and financial well-being could be a concern that, like, oh, do I want to really pay money for this?

Karma: Yeah, definitely. And with art, it can be hard because certain traditional supplies like oil paints or like, or big canvases are really. Can be inaccessible at points. but I would say in that point, at that point, like, challenge yourself. You know, challenge yourself to make do with what resources you have around you. You'll be surprised how much in the world how many beautiful drawings are made with just like, a pencil and, even like eraser, you know, like eraser drawings or just anything really, like found materials, found objects, found sculpture. yeah, there's a lot you can do with what you already have. So definitely don't invest into practice like before, you know, practicing before getting started on your art journey. Don't start to invest, especially if you're not, like, financially well off. It's. It's pretty hard to, like, afford a big canvas and paint, you know, so.

Susu B.: No, I attended the, Black Indigenous People of Color, artist Hub. It was done by, Vanier College production, I'm pretty sure. and one of them was actually talking about this idea of, you know, what to make out of art. And they actually used, you know, the toast, like, you know, like bread.

Karma: Yeah, yeah.

Susu B.: You know how, like, there's the thing that closes this white little, clip that closes the, the,

Karma: Oh, yeah,

Susu B.: They made art out of this.

Karma: Yeah, exactly. I've seen art of zip ties, you know, like anything.

Susu B.: So that was a very interesting, find for me. And you know it. Even if you're not creating art, if you're visiting Art Benefit, from the resources. For example, as a student, this. This summer, actually, I went to the Art Gallery of Ontario, and I realized that I have a free pass just for the fact that I'm a student. So, you know, you can always find Things that you can do.

Karma: And there's many, like, university galleries all around Toronto that are completely free, like just as the GGYU here on campus. Completely free.

Susu B.: Wonderful. Okay, that's good. That's good to know. so even though art can bring us relief and positive emotions, some people hesitate to get started because of perfectionism or imposter syndrome. Feeling like, oh, these people are artists. Maybe I'm not. how can we shift our mindset to be more accepting and inclusive of our own creative expression?

Karma: It's an ongoing process, for sure. It's a process of accepting yourself and your own individual expression within art. But I'd say, yeah, you're the only thing holding yourself back when you. When you start criticizing your art, like, to a certain degree, it's. It might be productive. But m. That self-criticism is only going to stop you at some point. Like, we all get that artist block, you know, like, you can't. You can't pick up the pen; you can't pick up the paintbrush because you're doubting yourself. And I think, just go for it. Just make whatever, like, garbage art. Whatever you think it is, just keep making it. And eventually you'll see a pattern in all the art you're making, and there'll be something there that's consistently good that you like, and you'll motivate yourself to keep going. You know, whatever it is you want to do, just keep going at it.

Susu B.: No, that makes absolute sense. I completely understand, the imposter syndrome part at least. because I personally, I never considered myself an artist. I just did it. and because I didn't do these three typical things that I believed were art. And then, I started finding myself. You know, I enjoy doing things, like handy stuff like crafts, like just with my hands, making jewelry, whatever. And, for a second I just realized, like, oh, that's art.

Karma: Yeah, exactly.

Susu B.: M. And then I called myself, like, I started, like, you know, being shy a little bit. I'm like, maybe I'm. Maybe I am an artist.

Karma: Yeah, we get afraid of the title, right? It's really hard to put that title on your name.

Susu B.: For me, it just felt like maybe that's for them. It was kind m of like, oh, this is for the people that make this.

Karma: Not that I have an interesting view on the whole artist title, actually. I feel like it's like an archetype of the human condition. It's like you put yourself into the artist's mode of being. You are the artist. When you start creating, you Are the artist. When you start being in your body, it's not like it's reserved for some set class of people. It's like for everyone. And everybody has it in their consciousness to enter that mode of being and just start creating.

Susu B.: You know, that makes absolute sense. And speaking of this title of like artist, like the stereotypical type at least, there's people who practice arts professionally.

Karma: Exactly.

Susu B.: so, the line between work and creative passion can blur. How can someone in that position maintain a sense of balance between creating art for work and living artistically for their personal well-being? Like for example, I was just telling you that like journaling is something that you can do for your well-being and is artistic.

Karma: Yeah.

Susu B.: But then if I. What happens when you have to write just for work? Then obviously it becomes a little bit, you know, more stressful.

Karma: Definitely. Yeah. yeah. What happens when your journal becomes like a novel, you know, like something that is. It has an audience eyes on it. Yeah, it's difficult. But honestly, I think, I think navigating that path, that balance comes from just knowing the intention behind your art and why you're doing it's like that calls into question the question of purpose. like, why am I doing this? Why am I making so much and why am I sharing it with people? And what do I want to share with people? What do I want to give with people ultimately through the medium of art, you know, and once you find that purpose, that why, like, why do I want to do this? for me, it's like I want to give back magic to my younger self and younger people out there, you know, and once you have that, why you activate that, why you can separate the personal stuff from the audience, output what the audience sees, you know, so just as like a writer would edit their drafts, like you're not going to present everything to someone, everything you've created to someone at like a professional point in your career. yeah, I feel like you get to decide where that. If that, where that line is, if it's blurry, if it's like a confident border, you know. But yeah, like it's. It's a boundary that's completely up to the artist. So, it's. It's whatever you decide, dude. Right.

Susu B.: That makes sense. that, you know, it is based on you. That's the beauty of art. Yeah, it's kind of like paint. When you think of pain, you know, if you throw a paint on the floor, it will spread out in different ways. And that's kind of the beauty of it.

Karma: And even as a career, like, it's a pretty flexible title as a career, you know, like m. I guess it's different if you're like a really professional first artist and you're like, you have deadlines and stuff, for sure. But, if that's like your full time, I wouldn't know because I'm not. I'm not at that stage in my career yet. But I do see, like, the professionals around me, and they definitely have, like, a lot of time invested into doing what they love. And I think at some point it does blur over, but it blurs over in a way that's intentional and positive and realistic. It's not like you can't sustain yourself if you're going to be giving all of yourself to, like, your work. You know, that's just in any profession, that's pretty unhealthy.

Susu B.: Right? Yeah. That's another thing. For example, I think I thought about the equivalent. I'm a psych major.

Karma: Oh, yeah.

Susu B.: I thought about the equivalent of, for example, therapists who, you know, they probably have some family member that just happens to come to them and tell them, like, oh, I'm going through this right now. Just like any human experience, we come to each other, and we tell each other, hey, I'm going through this right now. so, it will be really depending on the therapist. Am I going to sit with this person as if they're my cousin who's going through something or as if I'm the therapist who wants to help them? so same thing. You put in the boundaries yourself, on art as well. If you are a professional artist, you can. You get to choose how you want to navigate that or when to stop doing it or doing it more in a way that doesn't stress you out.

Karma: Exactly. Yeah. And I feel like at that point in, like, a professional artist's career, they would. They would. They would have it established by then. You know, it's definitely a concern for when you're emerging. Yeah.

Susu B.: Right. Yeah. Do you feel like there's different experiences from when you're emerging that are, like, unique to when you're emerging?

Karma: Yeah, like, I guess I'm an emerging artist, so I identify myself as that because I've just graduated, and I'm looking for a job that pays money. But I'm like, oh, I have an arts degree, and I want to be an artist, and I want to be a writer. So, yeah, I guess I'm in the middle of this myself right now, actually. I didn't think about it. But, yeah, like, what would I say to myself 10 minutes from now? I don't know. What would I say to my future self? Like, the way to balance art with life is just to keep making in a way that's sustainable for you, you know, Like, I feel like many of us as emerging artists need to get like side jobs. And I don't know how realistic it is for many people who are artists to have a part time job rather than a full-time job, you know, like, for me it's like a struggle. So, I don't know, it's kind of like you do the job, the stuff that makes you money, and you do the stuff that you want to do on the side until it takes over. You know, I feel like that's what I'm seeing around me. But it's difficult. I don't know.

Susu B.: Yeah, it makes absolute sense. That's why it really depends on your individual choices.

Karma: Yeah.

Susu B.: Some people would just focus on that and think that, ah, somehow it will work out.

Karma: and, and by workout, it doesn't even have to mean you go big. It just means you got stuff on like on, on your CV that you've done, you know. Yeah.

Susu B.: And I think it's all about your own personal goals. yeah, like at the end of the day.

Karma: Exactly.

Susu B.: Because, you know, as we were saying, it can be as simple as writing something in your notes app. Yeah, it can be as simple as, you know, pulling up with your camera and taking pictures of the sky or something. Because photography is a form of art.

Karma: Exactly. Yeah.

Susu B.: So, you know, you can always embed that in your life with like without. Make it the main thing or make it that or not make it the main thing.

Karma: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I believe so too. Yeah.

Susu B.: I hope that giving you some insight.

Karma: Thank you.

Susu B.: so, you were just mentioning that actually, just as a writer might have a writer's, block, all artists, whether experienced or not, might deal with the challenge of wondering, what should I create now? What advice would you give to someone who's struggling with that kind of creative block?

Karma: Take a break.

Susu B.: Okay.

Karma: Take a break until it inspires you again. That's what I've done with painting. I didn't paint for three years, and I was still in school during that time, so I just stopped taking painting classes. But, yeah, I just stopped painting. And I was like, every time I was drawn to go paint, I didn't know what to paint. But then I was like, I don't know why I'm doing this. So, then I walked away from it and I focused on writing. yeah. And three years later, I made this huge painting, and it was wonderful when I exhibited it, and it was beautiful. but in the moments that I felt myself drawn to picking up that brush, I was actually. Usually I was, looking at friends painting, and I'd be like, oh, can I just hold your brush? And I'd start painting on their painting. and they'd get mad because I'd be like, maybe there was, like, a.

Susu B.: Little bit of, like, mentally. I just don't feel like making my own thing right now.

Karma: Yeah, exactly. And maybe it was more of, like, a collaborative effort in my head that I'm, like, trying to get close to painting, but I can't do it by myself just yet.

Susu B.: Yeah. That's what the block is all about.

Karma: Yeah. And maybe collaborating actually would be a good way to get out of an artist block. That would be, I think. Yeah. Like, definitely having a studio space, or, like, just getting together with friends and making together at the same time. Even if you're all doing your own individual project, it's so great because you can literally bounce ideas off of each other. You can come over, look at your work and look at someone else's work, and someone looks at your work, and they give you, like, a fresh perspective, you know?

Susu B.: Right.

Karma: Yeah. Like, even with writing, it's possible, like, workshopping writing pieces or. I feel like it's possible in many avenues of art. Yeah.

Susu B.: Yeah. But collaborating that, you know, first take the break.

Karma: Yeah.

Susu B.: Just in case that block probably came from something.

Karma: Yeah. And, like, reflect on it. Reassess what you need to do, you know, or, like, if this is for you or.

Susu B.: And the good thing is even that reflection you talk about is a form of art.

Karma: Yeah.

Susu B.: So, you're still engaging in art, maybe just, like, in a different way.

Karma: Yeah, exactly. You're not. You're just not making, but you're. You're stepping. Thinking about it. You're still thinking about it, right? Yeah.

Susu B.: So that's, I think, a relief for anyone who's going through a creative block right now, or in general. And I guess my last question would be, since many could be asking themselves right now as they're listening, where should I start? What are some creative communities or spaces perhaps on campus, that you would encourage students to explore? Whether that was for creating or simply visiting?

Karma: Definitely, visit, the student galleries on campus. there's Gail's gallery. I think it's an accolade east or West. One of them.

Susu B.: We'll add the locations for the show notes as well.

Karma: For sure. Yeah. there's the Gales Gallery. There's the special projects Gallery. There are definitely a couple college galleries. College associated galleries. I'm unsure of those, but there's definitely a couple of them. the GGYU would be a good art space as well as student run clubs are amazing.

Susu B.: Right. I still remember I did the Vanier College production thing in first year and it's still memorable to me and it was so much fun. So, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of.

Karma: They do like theater productions, right?

Susu B.: Yeah, they did improv and. And that's just one place for production. So, I imagine the many places that are on campus.

Karma: Yeah. There are definitely always events going on. You should look at posters, always. But there's Studio Hurricane Creative Club, which I'm a part of. Intentional M Plug.

Susu B.: Cause, that's where the shout out goes.

Karma: Yeah. and there's Vasa Visual Arts Student association, which does a whole bunch of workshops. they post like monthly or weekly calendars on their Instagram for that sort of stuff. And there's Creative Arts Student Association. I don't know if they do any workshops, but they definitely give out grants. So, if you're looking to get together and get an exhibition going or a project going, you should apply to one of their grants for sure.

Susu B.: Yeah. And in general, I'd say, if we were to answer this question about right now, what to do. We already, I think, gave lots of simple examples. Whether that was reflecting on the world around you or picking up a pen.

Karma: Sorry, picking up a pen and just automatic writing or automatic drawing.

Susu B.: Yeah. Or you know, and you don't have to reflect reflection. I feel like a lot of students think about as like, you know, the reflection post that you have to do.

Karma: On analysis of like.

Susu B.: No, sometimes reflection could be in your, in your head and you know, like just thinking about.

Karma: Your day, thinking about how you're feeling, thinking about what's going on around you, you know, and that could be enough. Yeah.

Susu B.: Perfect.

Karma: Yeah.

Susu B.: Karma. With that being said, this concludes our interview.

Karma: Yes

Susu B.: I'm very happy to have had you as my guest today.

Karma: I'm very happy to have been here.

Susu B.: Thank you very much.

Karma: Thank you.

Susu B.: I really want to thank our special guest today, Karma, an artist, writer, and recent visual arts graduate from York University. I really enjoyed our enlightening conversation. Thank you, Karma, for being such a valuable resource. You can also find links to all the services karma mentioned in the show notes for this episode, along with more valuable information, tips and resources. Visit our website at go.yorku.ca/wbpodcast

Susu B.: Click on the episode's link and look for the episode the Art in Our Stars: A National Arts Day Special. This episode was co-produced by the Well Being and YU Podcast team.

Susu B.: Our podcast coordinator is Prabhleen Luthra, our Technical editor is Jonathan Varela Gonzalez and I'm your host, Susu B. And we'll leave you off with the Quote of the day. “You are the artist when you start creating.” Thank you for listening.