In this episode of Just a Number, we sit down with Phil Guastella, a man whose journey redefines what it means to give back and challenge the status quo.

At just 30 years old, Phil helped build a school and bring sustainable farming to communities deep in the Amazon. But that was only the beginning. Throughout his life, Phil has continuously pushed boundaries, finding new ways to make a lasting impact on the world around him.

Join us as we explore Phil’s remarkable story—from the Amazon to the present day—and discover what drives him to constantly seek out new ways to give back. How did a young man find himself building a school in the jungle? What lessons has he learned about service, leadership, and challenging the norms? And what can we all take away from his journey to apply in our own lives?

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welcome to another episode of just a number

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we are thrilled to have a very special guest as always

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we've got Phil Guastella with us today

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a person whose journey is nothing short of inspiring

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if you can believe it in his early 20s

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he was already making an impact

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building a school

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and bringing sustainable farming to communities

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in the Amazon of all places

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so if you're wondering if making an impact is possible

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when you're at a young age

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this is definitely a story that you need to listen to

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he's continued to find innovative ways to contribute

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to others to push the envelope

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and the boundaries of what's possible

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so without further wait or ado this is just a number

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hello everybody

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I'm Daniel Steinfeld and this is Just A Number

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and I am thrilled today to be joined by Phil Guastella

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a gentleman that I had the pleasure of meeting

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several years back he is a fellow Realtor and we met

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uh at an open house

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you were just saying we uh

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sort of happened into one another early on

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in both of our careers yeah

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haha yeah

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actually I came to

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you guys put out a agent open house

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so I came and met your wife Katie and

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and I was in like in my beginnings of my career

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so I was really learning a lot back then

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I really was lost actually

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to be honest with you because he come out of school

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and it's nothing like what they tell you in school

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right oh

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that's it and that's a common

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it's common in this industry

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that's right so I

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I have been following you guys on social media and um

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you know and we've managed to build a kind of a

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you know relationship

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but at the same time you put this out there

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and I thought I'd respond to it and check it out

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yeah well

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I mean I'm

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I'm so happy you did and it's funny

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I mean with this

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this will go in a million different directions

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but you're right

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you're talking about coming out of school

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like we both

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we're talking school later in life for both of us

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where we sort of went and exactly

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it was back to school after school for both of us

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yeah I was actually 50 when I started

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no kidding so I'm 61 now

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wow so 11 years right

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on I'll go yeah

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so it was a big change change for my life

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that's for sure well

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that's it yeah

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like who who who's a rookie in their 50s right

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it doesn't happen that much

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but honestly it was it's a no

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I mean you've

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you've made a great career and

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and you've got what I was

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I mean when I read just the

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the very Coles Notes version of your story

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of what you've done prior to all this

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it blew me away and we had to have a chat here and I'm

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I'm really excited to learn

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and really get my hands dirty

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and all the cool stuff that you did

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I guess it would have been in your early 30s

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you were saying right

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like yeah

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in my early 30s was the time where I had the experience

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to go to the Brazil

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Northern Brazil in uh

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in in the Amazon so it was a small community actually

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it was about 20 families

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and it was like basically you're roughing it

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there's no electricity there's nothing

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you live out you live

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I lived for about a year and on a hammock

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you know

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no way enduring all enduring all them bugs and things

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you get used to it after a while

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but it was a

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it was a culture shock at the beginning for me

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but it didn't take very long for me to adapt

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that's one thing I Learned about human beings

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even at that age

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I didn't come to understand it at that age

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but looking back now I

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I really understood that we if you put in a situation

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you will adapt no

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and you will survive it absolutely okay

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so

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so take us back here because now everyone's listening

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they're all sitting there saying whoa whoa

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this guy lived in the Amazon for a year

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we just we just jumped right in there

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you're like like holy crap

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living on a hammock okay

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so this is like you're like the original survivor

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this is preferred before survivor was a thing

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you know and before Amazon was a thing

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like you're covering all the stuff that came later

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but yeah so

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so tell us a little bit about the community you helped

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and how you first got involved with them

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and what what came to

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to lead you to go to the Amazon for a year

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well what happened was at that point in my life

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I was basically I was just lost

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you know personally

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socially I was an intro I'm an introvert

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and I had I always felt different than others

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and but at the same time

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I would never voice those feelings or

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or those thoughts

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so I never nurture them

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but I always had this thing about helping people right

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so I remember going now I know we were in the Amazon

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but the prerequisite for that

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that got me to the Amazon at 18

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when I went to

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I used to see Children Christian Fund on TV

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and I used to sponsor $21 a month right

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so I did the sponsorship thing and we got two kids

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I got I sponsored two kids so then at one point

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that was started at 18 at twenty I said wait

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it'd be probably cool you know

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just to visit them see what's going on with the

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where's my money going

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what's happening down there if it's really helping them

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I wanted to see for myself yeah

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but when I was down there I got disillusioned right

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because I realized uh that most of the $21

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a lot of a percentage of that went to administration

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keeping the facilities running

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so it kind of turned me off

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I didn't see you know it was kind of yeah

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I know they have expenses

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but then when I saw the offices that they were

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they were building where they worked from

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and I see the people I said it didn't I just I

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I immediately I didn't feel good about it

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you were so supportive

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not the people you wanted to be supporting there

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it was it was going to yeah yeah

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yeah and anyways

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so but we stayed in contact and it was a

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it was a great feeling

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that I was helping them with the medic medication

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the books pencils and all that stuff but you know

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that was the start

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and I knew I had that in me because you know I

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all my friends were doing their own thing I

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I was doing something totally different

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and so I went and I and I experienced that

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and it was a good experience

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because sometimes you think everything is

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is what you see but in the background

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it's a different reality right

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but in a small way it does help

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in a way it does help

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and it create a relationship

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I had a long term relationship with these two girls

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they ended up

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by the time they were they were 4 and 5 at the time

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and then we we kept the correspondence over the years

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and then we lost ourselves

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and then around 22 we found

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when they were 20 21

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uh

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we found ourselves and we started communicating again

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so they're like in yeah

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have their own families now

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and they're you know it's

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it was it was

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it was a great starting point for me to investigate

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why do I have this need to do this

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right at that time

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that's that's amazing

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and also I mean

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if I'm if I'm doing the math

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if you're 18 20 years old

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this is predating really the internet

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even at that point of time

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yeah oh yeah

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so so when we're talking

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communicating and connecting with people

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on the other side of the world

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and in it was letters letters

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it was letters unbelievable wow

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so you were writing back and forth

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writing back and forth yeah

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and they were writing

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sending their pictures every time as the years went on

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to see that they were growing

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you know and just keeping in touch that way yeah

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do you so in Thailand

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I do you still have any of the letters

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do you still have the letters

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oh I have the box

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I have everything I still have it

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and I that back then we didn't have phones

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so everything is on um

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uh what are those uh

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photograph

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Kodak used to have slides

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oh slides yeah

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yeah so I got all every

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all my experience on slides and pictures

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that's great and you know what

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it's it's amazing too

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because to go down like first of all

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to take the initiative

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to do it in the first place at such a young age

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and then to follow up and say

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I wanna see what's actually happening

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I wanna see the impact I'm making

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and then the stick with itness of even seeing

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you know what

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some percentage of my money isn't even going

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where I intended to where I thought it was yeah

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but you know what

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but the good feeling and the impact it is having

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outweighs the

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the cynicism of I'm not doing this anymore because

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you know ah

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it's it's yeah

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it's paying for rip off yeah

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so that that's

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that's amazing and

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and it LED to what looks like it's become

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you know

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a lifetime of contributing and having that feeling

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the itch to help exactly

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exactly and it

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and it it comes from inside right

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it's not it's

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it's not for every it's not for everyone and

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and I Learned that if something is pestering my

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my inner soul or my mind

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you have to investigate what that is right

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because you don't wanna

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you don't wanna miss opportunities right

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because that's right we

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we can tend to miss a lot of opportunities

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or we just don't see him well

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that's it I

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I I think a

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a big theme of really this whole podcast

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but definitely this this episode is

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you know you only live once right

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you've got

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you've got one life to do what you can with it

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and if there's opportunity or there's curiosity

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you know you either chase it or you

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or you live your life wondering and

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and regretting and maybe regretting right

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so maybe yeah

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so that's that's amazing

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so you went you had that experience in Thailand

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and then was there was there just a little bit of a uh

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you know you

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you had scratched the itch

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and then it kind of resurfaced a few years later

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is that what happened yeah

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then then there was a point in my

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after around between I think around 22

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23 23 to for

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for for about five years

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I kind of got lost hmm

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I got lost with direction

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you know I'm uh

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didn't know what to do I always worked

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I had a a

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job but I just didn't know wasn't a happy camper

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I just I felt really good over there

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but when I came back home

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the reality was is is totally different right

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so I I ended up

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having this

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a friend of mine who is a priest who now resides in

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in Italy actually

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he's coming in today to Toronto tonight

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oh wow and he gave me this experience

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he told me I was sharing to him these these feelings

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so he gave me the opportunity and he says

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wouldn't you think you'd want to go to Brazil

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and I said sure why not

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so I went with a friend of mine I go first of all

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I went with a friend with

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under another organization the first time

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but that didn't work out because we wanted

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me and my friend at that time

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we wanted the experience of help really

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truly helping them and living their life

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lives on their terms

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we didn't want any special treatment right

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and the community

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the the project that was happening at that time

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it was

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it was the same same reality I got from Thailand

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I got there so nothing changed

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lots of money going into this organization

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and just being eaten up by the locals

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and those few appointed people

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and it was like disheartening yeah

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so we were communicating

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this back and forth to the priest

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that sent us there anyways

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to end a long it's a long story

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but the priest confronted them

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and then after they had the confrontation

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we saw that there is no experience here

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there is not the things that they offered us

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and then it was a lot of political stuff going around

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and anyways they made us

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us because we were complaining and asking

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me and my friend John they made they like crucified us

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they said that we weren't waking up in the

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during the day we're sleeping and partying

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we weren't

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we weren't helping what we were supposed to do

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they

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we didn't want to contribute or participate anyway

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and and this is while you're volunteering

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like you're already volunteering there

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I'm supposed I'm supposed to volunteer my expense right

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I paid my way

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and only because they had some program set up

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but everything lock uh uh

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the lumber factory was closed

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the ceramic school was closed

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they had all these trades

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learning the community so that they can learn a trade

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they were so they can we can teach them you know

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they had the the facilitators there

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but everything was closed

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nothing was happening money was coming in yeah

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but nothing was being offered

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so that was a here we go again

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I said right and it was disappointing

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so they basically kicked us out

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because they had to kick us out

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because they were going on the premise that

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you know we were troublemakers

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so they kicked us out

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and I made friends with a family there

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they picked us up

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and we stayed in their house for another three months

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so we stayed there first time

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four months

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and this is where the everything opened up for me

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hmm cause I started meeting people

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I started meeting people in the social aspect of it

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who are

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who are trying to educate the people are in Amazon

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not to sell their land right

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and and at that time

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there was a Japanese Italians

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Americans you name it

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they were just buying off all this land

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you know and because of the lack of education

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the Brazilians have a majority of them

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and they didn't understand that being

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they were poor with this land

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if you got rid of it they were

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they were on the street they have nowhere to go then

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and that's what's happening

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was happening back then

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that's why you see so many people on the street

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that had they had some equity

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uh so called equity for that market

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but then

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they would be convinced to sell it to these companies

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who promised them employment

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which never happened

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so I started seeing that and I start

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I joined them and I said listen

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I have to come back and really spend more time

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so I spent another four months and just to feel it out

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how it was going what is the issue

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what's the problem and that's how I started with them

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we started a cooperative of farmers

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20 farmers it was called cooperativa

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it got a pay a suit and we started

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I started fundraising in Canada

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going back and forth the first couple years

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and I remember the first time I would

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I collected five grand the second time eight grand

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and that came a long way because with that money

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I ended up building one

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with the five grand of school we ended up building

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and I be the administrator

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like I would never do a project in Brazil

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and just give them the money and just leave

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I had to be there you would learn

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you would learn yeah

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you have to be there it was

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I mean to become the boots on the ground when you know

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you you weren't I think scarred is the wrong word

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but you had Learned your lesson

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seeing the money being shipped to somebody else

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to administer it on their behalf

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and for you to take that hat and put it on

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you weren't gonna let that happen right

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like I yeah I wasn't gonna happen yeah

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that's a that's what that's amazing

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so you built a school right away

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or at least the money went towards a school right away

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the yeah we I bet paid for the materials

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we built the school we had all the community helping

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which is beautiful

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and it's like the nothing replaces that

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it's like

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there's no money that can give you

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what that feels like

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when everybody's helping each other right

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and so we built it and it was great

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so they would take

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this was actually for mothers who had infants

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that they could drop them off at this school

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and because there was a few nuns

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that would actually help out

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they would kind of

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it was almost like a free our daycare now yeah

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basically it was a daycare

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and without even knowing that it was a daycare

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we were doing and so we did that and it was fine

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I left we still had things to work on

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we were constantly educating them

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it was a constant education

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every meetings we would have two

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two to three times a week while I was there

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because a lot of pressure was done to people

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from the outside

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because people wanted to buy their land right

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and it's so corrupt over there uh

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even the government we know and it was hard uh

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you know it was hard

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it was hard on them cause they

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they had no nobody

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no voice for them nobody like speaking on their behalf

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except for these few people

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anyways so I went back home and I said

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well you know

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that worked out okay I was happy right

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but I knew I have to be there to do this so I collected

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did a fundraising

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just family and friends and I got 8,000 this time

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and that's when I went to the

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we start the cooperative

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so we use the money first of all

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to plant 2,000 fruit trees

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cause they were only planting and learning

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what their parents taught them from generations before

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just staple items they were doing

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they weren't progressing right right

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so we got the fruit trees happening and then a system

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a irrigation system we bought uh

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total system for two hectares of land

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we use the river

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we have the water there pump and and would uh

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you know all year round

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they would have water

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because there's certain times of the year it lacks

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so we did that and we got it going and it was great

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but then but then I added this life experience

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changing experience cause then I had to decide

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what am I gonna do with my life

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I like this I love it yeah

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but back then in my 30s you know

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I had this thing when people telling me

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when are you gonna move on and do something for you

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right these pressures that that's

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that's ironic to me I mean

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maybe it is I even saw your face there

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isn't it I don't wanna cut you off

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but like that that's ironic that people are saying okay

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when are you gonna do something for you

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and from everything you've told me

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there couldn't have been more of a process

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you'd already undertaken that was for you

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more than anything else could have been

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is that is that accurate like that

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that's accurate but I I

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I I was on that wagon

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too

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I started believing that what they were saying that

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I mean yeah

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I started doubting hmm myself right

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and that's just created on other issues for me

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as I was growing up right

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but I knew one thing I didn't know

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know that if I'm gonna do this work

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it's a it's a lifetime commitment right

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and the first thing that popped in my head was

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life of a priest right

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yeah and I go

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that's what I related it to

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being a role

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brought up in a Roman Catholic environment

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and priests do this stuff

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I know priests that do this stuff

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is that like I used to is that my calling

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I said no I said I don't think so

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I I don't think I can sacrifice that much right

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so I decided but I knew that I had to be

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or somebody had to be administering these projects

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not them right

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and unfortunately

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it it went well and as the time went on

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and I decided that I had to move on with my life

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slowly but surely that project started to deteriorate

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right to the point where

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people locals started taking advantage

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so if you saw like for example

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the school

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the school was became abandoned while I was there

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everything was working fine

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going back and forth was fine

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and

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and then somebody just took ownership of the school

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you know it's like

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wow just planted their flag and that was it yeah

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they just took that and that was it and that was okay

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that's how it goes over there right

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hmm so

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but what the experience

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I still was happy for what I done

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but at the same time it made me realize that I

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I think a lot of Westerners

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or people from North America or Europe

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that go there and see these people

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uh I think we're a little bit arrogant

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in the sense that

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we think that our way of doing things is

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is good we have to teach them how to do it

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because basically they were

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they were so they were like

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when I would talk to my parents about my experiences uh

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they said that

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they related to it after the Second World War

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the times of the Second World War so they were like

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these people would go like

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would steal nails from the city park

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just because they needed nails

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so they would tore up a bench just for the nails

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I I was living in the community

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I was living amongst leprosy

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still leprosy was going on with these families

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so it was like

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I met through the social workers in the area

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and he brought me to a hospital

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he brought me to a hospital

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a room full of medication expired

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never got people never got to see this medication

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cause it's so corrupt so

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going back to why

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I think most people think we can put our

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our culture into them and let them understand the

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like that our values what our values are

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and this is the way you should do things

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is not necessarily helping them right

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I I

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I realized at that moment

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uh that my reaction to the environment was

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it was not easy for me to

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to absorb

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because I found myself in moments by myself crying how

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just what I seen

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and then I realized that my tears were not

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thought they were because I felt sorry for them

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there's probably some truth to that

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but it it really showed me how broken I was hmm

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well I mean

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right

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in a lot of ways that's

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it's a very strange I think

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profit benefit you got from the experience

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as much as that might have been a painful experience

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these are the sorts of learnings

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and life changing things that help shape you

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and probably have LED to experiences and reactions

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and risks you've taken since then

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um yeah

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right it's a that's

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it's deep stuff right

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you go there because

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and for all the right reasons and that never left you

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it doesn't sound like you know

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to help yeah

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and to make an impact and you did

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you absolutely did but

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you know to say it was transactional

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I think is not true like it wasn't even

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even if it's not there anymore now

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right even if the school is shut down yeah

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even if the fruit trees aren't growing

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and I'm sure a lot of them are but I mean

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even if some of it is is gone

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you know you were able to take from it

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something that sticks with you

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and I think the people you impacted there

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you know the ones that aren't corrupt

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you know yeah

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you know well

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we still keep in touch

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we still keep in touch now they're older

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I I through Facebook I talk to them yeah

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well there you go

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the internet showed up somewhere in the middle there

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it showed up allegedly

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haha yeah

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it's perfect so yeah

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so it was a I can draw I can go on forever

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but another experience I had was looking back now

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it was when I used to meet other people trying

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quote unquote helping them from other governments

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so the Germans I met some Germans I met some

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Italians some French I met some Norwegians

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Japanese and at different parts of the year

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because they would the government would pay for them

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right and I would see them amongst the

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these families I was with

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so what would happen was I would get to know them

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but these people lived in a hotel two hours away

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they were paid to be there

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I wasn't I paid out of my own money and and so

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but they're trying to buy their land

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that's why they're there that's why they're there

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so we would have meetings right

648

they would have meetings with them

649

and they would do their job

650

proposal this is what you we're gonna create for you

651

these are the jobs that are gonna be available by my

652

which is all it's not true right

653

it's all a manipulation to take the land

654

and so here we are at one day

655

I'm working with them and we were on the fields

656

Manjioka fields

657

just taking gather getting rid of all the weeds right

658

and it's hot and I this lady comes

659

she was probably a little bit older than me

660

at the time and she wanted to ask me a question

661

she goes like

662

I see you have a relationship with these guys

663

and how do you do it

664

like like we're we're finding it very difficult

665

they like they don't even want to see us right

666

how did how did you do what you're what you're doing

667

I go well first of all I paid my own way

668

secondly I'm living with them and I'm working

669

I'm helping them produce what they produce

670

which was manioc and corn for the

671

for the feed for the chickens and

672

and rice

673

that's all we would do and where they came in

674

they weren't working with them

675

they were just trying to manipulate them

676

and they didn't respect them right

677

and that was the difference

678

it's a huge difference huge difference

679

and then that's when I knew that was she

680

when I experienced that with her

681

that's when I reinforced what I was doing was right

682

it made me feel feel really good about myself

683

so so on that note

684

like over the course of your time there

685

was there a lot of self doubt

686

like why am I here

687

is this the right thing

688

like were you

689

were you having moments of

690

you know I know why I came here

691

but now that I am here what the hell am I doing haha

692

like did that happen

693

yeah yeah

694

there were moments there were moments when uh

695

when uh

696

some there were moments I gotta be honest with

697

I miss the family uh huh

698

and in those moments you know

699

those thoughts would come in and those

700

what those thoughts were were

701

they were supportive right

702

but I didn't feel that I was like

703

really confident in myself

704

with the purpose of why I was there

705

I found out after why I was there

706

and it was really

707

really for an eye opener for me

708

for the type of character I am

709

uh that I am an insensitive person

710

I'm really open with people

711

and when you open with people

712

you're a target you can

713

when you're really authentic

714

you know yep

715

and I Learned my weaknesses

716

and my strength while I was there and

717

and I knew one thing that whatever life I want to lead

718

it's it's got to be simple

719

it's got to be simplified and not get caught up in the

720

the materialistic things uh huh

721

you know and all the noise

722

all that pressure the noise

723

yeah you know

724

the rushing

725

what you can't avoid those things being in Toronto

726

but that that pressure

727

you know because when I came back

728

I was so laid back now I'm not

729

now I'm I'm nuts

730

I'm so stressed

731

well I

732

I I mean in

733

in in both instances

734

you talked about first Thailand

735

and then with the Amazon I mean

736

you prefaced it by saying you felt lost

737

you know and

738

and you didn't have the direction

739

and the first time through

740

I mean it gave you some immediate

741

you know direction and

742

and understanding of what felt good

743

and then again you know

744

after sort of losing yourself a bit again

745

this rejuvenated and you know

746

invigorated you and also

747

like you're saying

748

you Learned so much about what you needed

749

and what you wanted so

750

in some ways did that year in the Amazon

751

set the stage for the rest of your life

752

for understanding and being a little less lost

753

when you came out of that

754

or did you

755

did you come out of the

756

sorry go ahead

757

no yeah

758

it did set the stage

759

uh

760

but not till now that's why I took

761

I threw myself in because

762

uh for up to covid

763

uh

764

right after Covid when the lockdown happened

765

I regressed a lot mentally

766

so I was in the condo living

767

and for those 17 months whatever it was

768

like I regressed like I couldn't

769

I couldn't do function

770

at all

771

so these last two years I've been building myself up

772

because I wasn't even practicing real estate

773

I couldn't do any of my real estate now business

774

I knew that I had to really

775

still struggling with the main core

776

even though I Learned these things over there

777

I still wasn't okay with with me

778

and then I realized that I look what I've done

779

that's why I'm here no kidding

780

it's selfish it's selfish

781

but I thought this would help me

782

you know when we talk about opportunities

783

I saw an opportunity absolutely

784

I have something to offer right

785

and I'm just connecting back with that right now

786

totally well

787

and so since I've been getting back

788

it's helping me and you know

789

it move forward

790

it's funny to me that you look at it as selfish at all

791

because the very well

792

that's how I feel and and and I mean

793

let me be the one to tell you that this is

794

I mean not only

795

notwithstanding that everything you were talking about

796

was as selfless as it comes

797

even sharing your story is

798

you know if this helps

799

or inspires one person who's listening to this

800

to either break out of their shell

801

or to realize that you know

802

what they're thinking or the

803

the rut that they're in is not

804

you know isolated to just their story right

805

and it motivates them to get out and do something

806

and try something then hey

807

you know what could be less selfish than

808

than getting that message out there

809

and I mean uh

810

yeah it

811

it's it's inspiring

812

just to hear the story makes me wanna go and

813

and if I didn't have four kids I

814

I I

815

I I should set up a hammock maybe in my backyard and

816

and maybe plant some trees back there

817

I think that's as far as I could go

818

but but yeah

819

I mean it's

820

it's a it's just unreal

821

you know that

822

you know you did all that and that

823

you know I

824

I don't think that mentality leaves you

825

I mean whether or not there were bumps along the way

826

it's not that

827

you need to go and visit a third world country

828

every year to keep the spark going inside of you

829

but I think it's a part of who you are

830

and it's it's really interesting to me

831

that the way that you could

832

kind of restart your engine

833

those two times was doing something selfless

834

and helping others and empowering other people

835

who might have been pretty lost themselves at the time

836

right like you showed up in a place

837

maybe they didn't know they were lost

838

because they were being so taken advantage of

839

but I mean there's just so much impact that was made

840

and it doesn't really I shouldn't say it doesn't matter

841

that's not fair

842

but it's not as important how sustained the impact was

843

given that the impact you

844

made

845

can't be taken away for the time that you were there

846

and you're still maintaining contact with these people

847

right so you know that they're still

848

they're still kicking I don't know

849

like are there any like these are people

850

were they your age when you were there

851

like were they people around the same age as you

852

no they were

853

they were four 5 years old at the time

854

oh like the ones in Thailand were the children

855

yeah no

856

they even oh

857

and in Brazil Brazil

858

oh wow

859

and the eldest around probably twelve now

860

they're in their their like 30s and 40s

861

that's amazing and some are in their late twenties

862

uh because which were the

863

the family I stayed in they had like 12 children

864

and they were all young at the time

865

and there was two maybe 12 year old and 13 year old

866

now they're a little bit older

867

but uh yeah

868

they're they're

869

they were we still keep in touch

870

we see we talk on Facebook and Messenger

871

and I'm planning to go

872

I wanted to go last year this summer

873

but I change brokerages and things like that

874

but

875

I'll be in a better position next year

876

to go and visit them wow

877

so have you seen them since they were kids

878

like no

879

you haven't been well

880

I see all them on Facebook video

881

Facebook Messenger like or

882

or zoom we've connected a couple times and yeah

883

they're all grown up it's like

884

it's incredible oh see

885

I see I should have planned ahead and made this like

886

one of those surprise

887

guess who we've got behind door number one

888

but haha but I didn't know from Brazil

889

oh from Brazil

890

oh man so I

891

I guess why

892

yeah here they are

893

four of the kids um

894

so is it everybody speaks Portuguese there

895

is that is that what

896

yes and so is that a

897

is that a language you spoke before you went there

898

no I had to

899

I Learned it and the funny thing about Portuguese uh

900

there's a difference with the Brazilian Portuguese

901

and Portuguese from Portugal

902

uh the Brazilian Portuguese

903

there were a lot because I'm Italian and I know my

904

I only know I know more my dialect from the Sicily

905

from southern Sicily uh

906

that a lot of our words

907

it's part of the language

908

the Latin language but similar where

909

where the where communication comes from

910

and all our dialogue comes from

911

they were similar so

912

I would pick off these words and understand

913

and use them right

914

and then slowly

915

it was easier to learn Portuguese than French

916

that's for sure yeah

917

well yeah

918

those are very different yeah

919

yeah wow

920

so so I got to learn it I

921

I'm I'm

922

I understand more than I can speak it

923

because I don't practice it as much but

924

but it it'll come

925

it if I go there

926

it'll come back yeah

927

come back so in

928

in terms I mean

929

that's one example of a

930

of an actual tangible education you got from being

931

there was a whole language

932

I mean did you

933

did you know already some of the things like

934

irrigation and plant like

935

the actual skilled

936

trade type stuff that you were doing to help there

937

or did you also kind of learn as you yeah

938

because yeah I

939

well when I was growing up I I

940

I I went to a Humber college cause I only

941

I only went I just got my grade 12

942

I wasn't a guy who loves school

943

and I just barely got through yeah

944

but then I

945

haha

946

that's a good way of looking at it

947

I didn't like it but I decided

948

you know what if I don't go

949

I might as well build it

950

yeah so

951

so I I ended up now I lost my thumb

952

you make me laugh here sorry

953

so the skills that you that you already knew out of

954

out of humble oh yeah

955

I went to school and I took over the culture course

956

I got my horticultural science

957

a night school so

958

I was going to night school

959

and getting my horticultural science

960

got that out of the way then I decided landscape design

961

cause I was in there already and I like

962

I'm a creative person so I like creating and I did that

963

but I never got my my diploma in landscape design

964

design because I had a situation with my my teacher who

965

who was it was a stickler on timing

966

like I was like 10 seconds late to hand in a report

967

and he wouldn't accept it

968

it was my last my last report too

969

which was part of my Mark and me at that time

970

I just I was a hothead back then

971

so you can imagine what happened

972

oh yeah and I got

973

I left

974

I left with and I got so upset at myself because I I

975

I couldn't handle it that that situation

976

even my sister would say well

977

go talk to the

978

the dean or whoever's in charge of Humber College

979

and cause that's not fair

980

that's not you're gonna

981

not gonna get your credit because you didn't have

982

you were late on a report that's

983

you know anyways

984

I didn't and I just took it

985

but I regret not following up

986

that's a mistake I made

987

are you still one credit short then now

988

like if you were to go and yeah

989

I'm still yeah the last yeah

990

I'm I I I never went back

991

I I just got so demoralized right

992

and um I just never went back and that's you know

993

you know what I mean

994

talk about using your powers for good though

995

you might have been a hothead

996

but at least you know

997

if anybody from Humber College is listening now like

998

look look what he did with what he Learned

999

he even despite not getting the credit

00:41:09,866 --> 00:41:10,466

he took it

00:41:10,466 --> 00:41:13,000

and he helped an entire community in the Amazon

00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,066

with this knowledge so that's gotta be worth something

00:41:16,066 --> 00:41:18,533

co op marks or something like take those hours

00:41:18,933 --> 00:41:20,833

I think we should send them this video

00:41:20,833 --> 00:41:21,833

yeah I think so

00:41:21,833 --> 00:41:24,033

I think maybe maybe there's hope for you still

00:41:24,033 --> 00:41:25,533

maybe that credit is waiting in the wing

00:41:25,533 --> 00:41:26,666

do you still have the paper

00:41:26,666 --> 00:41:28,266

maybe they'll take it a bit later like

00:41:28,266 --> 00:41:31,133

you know like 30 years late haha

00:41:31,133 --> 00:41:32,100

no big deal

00:41:32,733 --> 00:41:33,533

oh man

00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,233

but okay so yeah

00:41:35,233 --> 00:41:36,633

that's how I used it

00:41:36,633 --> 00:41:40,600

I used the the knowledge and how to help them

00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,233

and it was pretty pretty straightforward for me

00:41:44,366 --> 00:41:45,600

that's I mean

00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:46,866

it's interesting too I mean

00:41:46,866 --> 00:41:49,200

the premise of this podcast is all about

00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,333

you know things we do

00:41:50,333 --> 00:41:51,766

maybe at times in our lives

00:41:51,766 --> 00:41:53,266

that people wouldn't consider like

00:41:53,266 --> 00:41:54,200

the norm right

00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,733

like the whole just a number

00:41:55,933 --> 00:41:58,566

you know you did a lot of these things younger in life

00:41:58,566 --> 00:42:00,866

we talked about how you know

00:42:00,866 --> 00:42:02,533

just in the last 10 years

00:42:02,533 --> 00:42:04,566

you've pursued a new career path

00:42:04,566 --> 00:42:07,166

you've taken the courses and now you're

00:42:07,166 --> 00:42:10,133

you know a practicing and and successful realtor

00:42:10,433 --> 00:42:10,966

you know

00:42:10,966 --> 00:42:14,400

and the far be it for me to say in any way you're old

00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,233

you know you've got

00:42:15,233 --> 00:42:16,766

you know plenty of career

00:42:16,766 --> 00:42:18,466

but like this is the sort of thing also

00:42:18,466 --> 00:42:21,866

that you've kind of defied the odds on both sides

00:42:21,866 --> 00:42:23,033

by doing a lot of things

00:42:23,033 --> 00:42:24,200

people might not do

00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,266

until they've established themselves more

00:42:26,266 --> 00:42:28,233

so this is what you did early on

00:42:28,233 --> 00:42:29,966

and now a whole career change

00:42:29,966 --> 00:42:31,066

and let me just throw in there

00:42:31,066 --> 00:42:34,033

I saw the video of your dad playing the saxophone

00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,566

in that March oh yeah

00:42:35,566 --> 00:42:37,866

you said like talk about cool

00:42:37,866 --> 00:42:39,233

like which is even more like

00:42:39,233 --> 00:42:41,166

you want to talk about just a number

00:42:41,166 --> 00:42:43,600

like how old is he like 89

00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,366

89 years old he's going 90

00:42:45,466 --> 00:42:48,266

90 in February and he's in a marching band

00:42:48,266 --> 00:42:49,666

like he's playing what was that

00:42:49,666 --> 00:42:51,633

a tenor sax that wasn't even a small sax

00:42:51,633 --> 00:42:53,533

tenor sax holy jeez

00:42:53,833 --> 00:42:56,433

and he sounded good he sounded good

00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,166

he's right in yeah

00:42:58,166 --> 00:43:00,400

he used to play professionally in Australia

00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,766

because that's where we're from

00:43:01,766 --> 00:43:03,800

Australia where I was born there

00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,033

me and my sister so he used to have a full time gig

00:43:07,166 --> 00:43:09,466

and he full time gig at nights and play

00:43:09,466 --> 00:43:12,533

and he was a lathe lathe operator for GM

00:43:12,533 --> 00:43:14,266

General Motors at the time

00:43:14,433 --> 00:43:17,066

so he's that's where he got all his

00:43:18,333 --> 00:43:20,466

musical experience you know

00:43:20,466 --> 00:43:23,433

playing big bands oh wow

00:43:23,466 --> 00:43:26,066

that back then and that naturally I fell

00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,166

followed his steps and when I was young

00:43:28,166 --> 00:43:30,166

I got into music myself with

00:43:30,166 --> 00:43:31,133

you're a drummer right

00:43:31,133 --> 00:43:32,866

like you like you yeah yeah

00:43:33,266 --> 00:43:34,500

yeah and uh

00:43:34,633 --> 00:43:37,266

so and my sister's a singer

00:43:37,266 --> 00:43:40,033

and my brother started playing piano when he was young

00:43:40,033 --> 00:43:41,333

but then he gave it up

00:43:41,533 --> 00:43:45,200

but we all have the music thing in bug in us

00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,166

so has there been a little jam session or two

00:43:48,166 --> 00:43:49,800

in the family where you've all played together

00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:50,666

um we

00:43:50,666 --> 00:43:53,066

we way back way back

00:43:53,066 --> 00:43:55,033

we used to jam wait

00:43:55,033 --> 00:43:55,966

when we were younger

00:43:55,966 --> 00:43:57,866

because me and my sister used to be in a band

00:43:57,866 --> 00:44:01,666

we used to tour a lot and like doing hotels yeah

00:44:01,733 --> 00:44:03,300

and we used to be

00:44:03,366 --> 00:44:06,566

and we got went from hotels like lounge music

00:44:06,566 --> 00:44:09,366

then next thing you know we're doing Pat Benatar

00:44:10,566 --> 00:44:11,366

haha

00:44:11,766 --> 00:44:12,700

that's amazing or

00:44:14,166 --> 00:44:17,933

you know or we're doing the heart heart music

00:44:17,933 --> 00:44:19,633

you know the old heart great

00:44:20,066 --> 00:44:23,033

and we used to do the gas works downtown

00:44:23,033 --> 00:44:24,500

Larry's Hideaway

00:44:25,366 --> 00:44:28,666

we used to go all over Canada and play these bars

00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:30,766

when music was appreciated

00:44:30,766 --> 00:44:32,300

right now then the

00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:33,833

you know what happened with the DJs

00:44:33,833 --> 00:44:36,166

it's today yeah

00:44:36,666 --> 00:44:38,900

the DJs took over yeah

00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,133

I hear you I hear you

00:44:41,133 --> 00:44:42,966

so that that's amazing though

00:44:42,966 --> 00:44:45,266

like that's these are the sorts of things that it it's

00:44:45,266 --> 00:44:47,766

it's amazing to me just you know

00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,833

if you just chip away like the the layers to everybody

00:44:50,833 --> 00:44:52,366

you know it's like peeling back an onion

00:44:52,366 --> 00:44:53,966

like all these things and

00:44:53,966 --> 00:44:56,533

and stories like that's that's amazing stuff

00:44:56,533 --> 00:44:58,200

so you toured all the Canada as a journey yeah

00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,200

no big deal you know

00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,933

built a school in Brazil no big deal whatever

00:45:01,933 --> 00:45:04,433

you know touring Canada yeah

00:45:04,433 --> 00:45:06,033

whatever you know

00:45:06,066 --> 00:45:09,066

this is like that's all I was I didn't I wasn't very

00:45:09,466 --> 00:45:11,933

I wasn't it wasn't a good time for me back then

00:45:12,333 --> 00:45:14,866

even though I was doing them doing those things

00:45:14,866 --> 00:45:15,866

the music step oh

00:45:15,866 --> 00:45:16,466

well you mean yeah

00:45:16,466 --> 00:45:18,800

I guess no it was a good time in the music

00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,866

but I mean personally yeah

00:45:20,866 --> 00:45:22,833

I wasn't I wasn't okay with me

00:45:22,833 --> 00:45:24,200

even though I'm doing this

00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,633

I wasn't okay

00:45:25,633 --> 00:45:28,766

I wasn't when people would tell me on and commend me

00:45:28,766 --> 00:45:30,800

it just didn't something was wrong

00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,000

that's what I was searching for

00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,333

I didn't know what it was

00:45:33,366 --> 00:45:35,633

and I just discovered it recently

00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,800

yeah well

00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:37,600

it's you know

00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,566

it's you know what

00:45:38,566 --> 00:45:41,633

it's no small feet to keep searching for it

00:45:41,633 --> 00:45:44,066

and to not give up on trying to figure it out right

00:45:44,066 --> 00:45:45,866

cause I think a lot of people

00:45:45,866 --> 00:45:48,200

they're lost and they stay lost and that's it

00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,033

and I think on multiple occasions

00:45:50,033 --> 00:45:51,566

you know early on

00:45:51,566 --> 00:45:51,833

you know

00:45:51,833 --> 00:45:54,200

you had those experiences that helped address it

00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,166

and then even if you were still sort of

00:45:56,433 --> 00:45:57,833

searching for the answer

00:45:57,833 --> 00:45:59,066

it's great to know and you know what

00:45:59,066 --> 00:46:01,166

there's more answers to come for all of us right

00:46:01,166 --> 00:46:02,833

like you're in a good place now

00:46:02,833 --> 00:46:03,633

which is amazing

00:46:03,633 --> 00:46:07,866

but so nowhere nowhere to go but up up more right

00:46:07,866 --> 00:46:11,766

so yeah that's that's what I'm hoping for yeah

00:46:11,766 --> 00:46:12,833

so I mean

00:46:12,833 --> 00:46:15,433

if there's people that are listening to this now

00:46:15,433 --> 00:46:17,600

who maybe are are in a similar spot

00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,000

right whether whether you know

00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,766

whether it's earlier on in their career

00:46:20,766 --> 00:46:22,000

or later on in their career

00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,333

or somewhere in the middle

00:46:23,466 --> 00:46:25,066

what sort of advice would you give them

00:46:25,066 --> 00:46:27,066

if they're feeling a little bit lost

00:46:27,066 --> 00:46:29,000

or there's things they think they might wanna do

00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,666

but they just don't believe it's for them

00:46:31,666 --> 00:46:33,966

or it's not the way that the script is written

00:46:33,966 --> 00:46:35,666

for them yeah

00:46:35,666 --> 00:46:38,933

I would say if if you're still feeling

00:46:38,933 --> 00:46:41,066

if those feelings don't go away

00:46:41,566 --> 00:46:43,666

and you still haven't figured it out

00:46:45,033 --> 00:46:45,800

sit you have

00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,066

you gotta fit in it

00:46:47,066 --> 00:46:49,266

and eventually you'll figure it out

00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,066

you can either distract distract yourself

00:46:53,133 --> 00:46:57,366

which I've done and years go by and it's still here

00:46:57,933 --> 00:47:01,766

and that could be through partying

00:47:01,766 --> 00:47:04,133

drinking drugs

00:47:04,166 --> 00:47:07,400

whatever you choose your addiction is could be work

00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,200

workaholic

00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,666

it could be a obsessions with being obsessive

00:47:12,666 --> 00:47:16,400

compulsive everybody goes one way or another not to

00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,333

to avoid what's really going on right

00:47:19,333 --> 00:47:21,300

so I I Learned that

00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,366

eventually because you're

00:47:25,366 --> 00:47:26,900

you're in a state of suffering

00:47:26,933 --> 00:47:28,400

when you're in that moment

00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,366

in those moments where you're lost

00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,066

so eventually that suffering

00:47:33,233 --> 00:47:34,766

it's gonna catch up to you

00:47:34,766 --> 00:47:37,466

and it's gonna guide you the right direction

00:47:38,166 --> 00:47:42,966

I found with me just one day I woke up and I just

00:47:42,966 --> 00:47:44,166

I just said that's enough

00:47:44,166 --> 00:47:45,633

I'm not suffering anymore

00:47:45,833 --> 00:47:50,433

I'm and and and and things just got it got better

00:47:50,433 --> 00:47:53,000

and and it's funny when you actually make that

00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,533

when you actually say that

00:47:54,533 --> 00:47:56,333

and you really believe that

00:47:57,966 --> 00:48:01,200

it doesn't take very long for an opportunity

00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,066

you see clearly I got an oppo

00:48:04,066 --> 00:48:06,266

that's what happened with this yeah

00:48:06,266 --> 00:48:07,700

that's what happened with this

00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,400

when I read your I just said I was in that moment

00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,666

I go and usually I'll think about it

00:48:14,666 --> 00:48:17,533

and I this time I just acted yeah

00:48:17,533 --> 00:48:19,566

sometimes I just do it that's right

00:48:19,566 --> 00:48:21,200

just do it you know

00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,566

Nike has it Nike has the best

00:48:23,966 --> 00:48:25,100

we're onto something logo

00:48:25,733 --> 00:48:27,566

just they are on the side that that company

00:48:27,566 --> 00:48:29,566

I think I think they might make it that company

00:48:29,566 --> 00:48:30,833

there's something to that company

00:48:30,833 --> 00:48:32,233

I think they're gonna do okay

00:48:33,033 --> 00:48:33,833

yeah

00:48:34,966 --> 00:48:36,200

that's so yeah

00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,266

I would just say sit in it be honest with yourself

00:48:39,733 --> 00:48:42,866

eventually it'll it'll it'll you'll come around

00:48:42,866 --> 00:48:44,966

you'll have to come around because if your

00:48:44,966 --> 00:48:47,233

if your whole my whole life

00:48:47,433 --> 00:48:48,833

it was to better myself

00:48:48,833 --> 00:48:50,966

I always knew I wanted to improve

00:48:51,833 --> 00:48:53,733

and when you have that mentality

00:48:53,733 --> 00:48:54,866

I want to be better

00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,400

it's not easy sometimes yeah

00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,033

cause you'll be confronted with things

00:49:00,033 --> 00:49:02,933

you have to look at right absolutely yeah

00:49:02,933 --> 00:49:03,966

so okay well

00:49:03,966 --> 00:49:05,066

as we I mean we're

00:49:05,066 --> 00:49:06,433

we're coming up on an hour here

00:49:06,433 --> 00:49:08,333

and I could talk for hours more with you

00:49:08,333 --> 00:49:11,566

but I let's let's sort of ask you like

00:49:11,566 --> 00:49:13,233

what's what's next for you

00:49:13,233 --> 00:49:17,133

like you're you're now in a great spot

00:49:17,133 --> 00:49:17,400

I mean

00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,933

maybe this is now you can put it in cruise control

00:49:19,933 --> 00:49:22,400

because you know you've found that sweet spot

00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,666

are you now uh

00:49:23,933 --> 00:49:24,766

are you I mean

00:49:24,766 --> 00:49:26,666

you said you're going back to visit the

00:49:26,666 --> 00:49:27,633

I'm still gonna call yeah

00:49:27,633 --> 00:49:29,133

I would like to go next

00:49:29,133 --> 00:49:33,366

next year is the plan to go to go and visit them

00:49:33,366 --> 00:49:37,600

that's for sure and we'll see if what's going on there

00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,866

I know I I do contribute and with my work

00:49:42,533 --> 00:49:44,766

uh with a children's

00:49:44,766 --> 00:49:46,233

the children's hospital

00:49:46,233 --> 00:49:48,800

I still have that part of me and

00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,300

but definitely want to um

00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,966

go see and I don't know what's gonna happen

00:49:54,966 --> 00:49:56,233

but we'll see I

00:49:56,233 --> 00:49:58,800

I I don't know what's gonna happen when I go back

00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,066

you know it might

00:50:01,333 --> 00:50:04,833

start another project maybe I'm in a better position to

00:50:05,033 --> 00:50:08,833

or more time on my hands to actually help them

00:50:09,066 --> 00:50:11,566

where before I was trying to figure things out yeah

00:50:11,566 --> 00:50:13,666

I I was wondering that because you've been

00:50:13,666 --> 00:50:15,800

it seems like and and maybe it's not the case

00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,400

but it seems like when you land somewhere

00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,166

and see something it kind of

00:50:19,233 --> 00:50:20,266

it kind of revs you up

00:50:20,266 --> 00:50:21,566

when you weren't expecting it to

00:50:21,566 --> 00:50:22,733

so maybe you'll get there

00:50:22,733 --> 00:50:24,233

see them be like oh man

00:50:25,866 --> 00:50:28,000

I'm planting my flag here again for six months

00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,966

who knows but no

00:50:29,966 --> 00:50:31,433

that's a I I definitely am

00:50:31,433 --> 00:50:33,466

gonna be looking forward to seeing some pictures

00:50:33,466 --> 00:50:34,400

of that reunion

00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,333

that's a it's such a cool story yeah

00:50:36,333 --> 00:50:37,466

for sure um

00:50:37,466 --> 00:50:39,166

for sure and yeah

00:50:39,166 --> 00:50:39,966

now that's a it

00:50:39,966 --> 00:50:42,033

it's been amazing hearing your story

00:50:42,033 --> 00:50:45,733

and no thanks for having me yeah

00:50:45,733 --> 00:50:47,200

we'll we'll chat more for sure

00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,466

I mean this is uh

00:50:48,733 --> 00:50:49,633

it's uh

00:50:49,633 --> 00:50:52,933

exactly what this is all about is just like the

00:50:52,933 --> 00:50:54,566

the amazing things people do

00:50:54,566 --> 00:50:56,500

that are right under our noses that

00:50:57,133 --> 00:50:58,533

you know who would have known right

00:50:58,533 --> 00:50:58,933

I'm sure

00:50:58,933 --> 00:51:01,133

I don't know if you've told that story much before

00:51:01,133 --> 00:51:02,566

to anybody but uh

00:51:02,966 --> 00:51:03,800

it's uh

00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,500

I would only I would tell it when I was fundraising

00:51:07,633 --> 00:51:08,066

hmm right

00:51:08,066 --> 00:51:09,600

my experiences fundraising

00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,666

but I I'm not that type right

00:51:11,666 --> 00:51:15,233

and I'm uncomfortable it makes me uncomfortable

00:51:15,233 --> 00:51:16,766

I'm just getting comfortable

00:51:16,833 --> 00:51:17,566

yeah well

00:51:17,566 --> 00:51:18,266

I mean it's

00:51:18,266 --> 00:51:19,533

it's definitely I'm

00:51:19,533 --> 00:51:21,966

I'm happy you are comfortable enough to tell it today

00:51:21,966 --> 00:51:23,766

and to talk about it it's a

00:51:23,766 --> 00:51:25,266

it's a really cool yeah

00:51:25,566 --> 00:51:27,833

bunch of initiatives that you've gone through

00:51:27,833 --> 00:51:29,200

and you know

00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:29,866

as

00:51:29,866 --> 00:51:32,666

it also kind of speaks to the power of one person too

00:51:32,666 --> 00:51:34,333

which we didn't even talk about where

00:51:34,333 --> 00:51:34,666

you know

00:51:34,666 --> 00:51:37,200

you're talking about governments sending people

00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,866

and all these corruption

00:51:38,866 --> 00:51:40,966

all these things and I'm sure there was help

00:51:40,966 --> 00:51:42,066

and I'm sure there were people

00:51:42,066 --> 00:51:43,800

around you that were doing the work with you

00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,100

but you were really one person who

00:51:46,566 --> 00:51:49,000

made a decision to go against the grain

00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,233

to go against big organizations and get something done

00:51:52,466 --> 00:51:55,600

and it paid off so congratulations

00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:56,866

it paid off but you

00:51:56,866 --> 00:51:59,333

I had to learn really fast Daniel

00:51:59,466 --> 00:52:01,866

because while I was there

00:52:01,866 --> 00:52:06,366

there were so many bad actors trying to be my friend

00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,566

and I figured that out really fast

00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,400