Kathleen Israel joins us on this 34th episode for Mindful You. Carroll and Israel discuss ways we can ground ourselves wherever we are and the different practices to raising our own vibration. In this very fascinating episode we learn how to take responsibility for our buttons that get pushed. We must learn to let the spirit flow through us on our journey to self-realization.
About The Guest:
Kathleen Donnelly Israel has lived her entire life in San Diego CA. She raised 5 children with her husband of 48 years, Ron Israel. They were a team couple for World Wide Marriage Encounter. She graduated with a bachelor’s degree in Art from San Diego State University and studied Expressive Arts Therapy at the European Graduate School in Switzerland. She cared for her husband for the 17 years that he had Parkinson’s disease till he died in 2018. During this time, she studied spiritual healing from many enlightened thought leaders and teachers. She wrote her book about her travels on the Camino Santiago in Spain and about sharing her wisdom with those she met there.
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Hello, everybody. And welcome back to the mindful
Alan Carroll:U podcast. As we traveled together, into the realms of
Alan Carroll:mindfulness, by meeting fellow travelers on the path, who share
Alan Carroll:their stories share the critical events that altered their
Alan Carroll:perception that opened up portals and awareness into this
Alan Carroll:transcendental state of consciousness that we refer to
Alan Carroll:as, as mindfulness. Today, today's guest, Kathleen
Alan Carroll:Donnelly, Israel born and raised in San Diego, California Family
Alan Carroll:was raised their family before that generation before that. So
Alan Carroll:she has deep roots to this area of the United States. Kathleen
Alan Carroll:shares her journey. And what you would refer to it as definitely
Alan Carroll:an uphill kind of experience, not a downhill easy kind of
Alan Carroll:experience, a lot of emotional suffering, physical suffering,
Alan Carroll:and a lot of issues that she had to deal with. And she was able
Alan Carroll:to create a transformational experience even though the
Alan Carroll:environment that she was in could easily have taken her down
Alan Carroll:a path of, of not that enlightened way more of a
Alan Carroll:victim. And that's the way it is, that's the way it's gonna
Alan Carroll:be. And she was able to pop through that experience in
Alan Carroll:reaching a state of consciousness. That is very,
Alan Carroll:very, very clear. And at the end of the podcast, she described
Alan Carroll:some of the healing techniques that she uses. That was just
Alan Carroll:Wow, very, very, very, very sweet to hear, and also
Alan Carroll:wonderful to practice. So please welcome to the mindful you
Alan Carroll:podcast. Kathleen Donnelly, Israel. Hello, Kathleen,
Alan Carroll:welcome. How you podcast. How are you today?
Kathleen Israel:I'm good. I'm happy to be here.
Alan Carroll:Well, I understand you, you live out in California.
Kathleen Israel:Yep. I've lived here all my life.
Alan Carroll:Really? Well. You're born and raised in
Alan Carroll:California, in San Diego. Right. Well, so you have deep roots in
Alan Carroll:San Diego. You
Kathleen Israel:wouldn't believe how deep the roots are
Kathleen Israel:that I have. My some of my family came to build the Hotel
Kathleen Israel:Del Coronado and yeah, my my husband's family. Were the
Kathleen Israel:lighthouse keepers out at Cabrillo National Monument, the
Kathleen Israel:lighthouse out there. So we're an old San Diego family on both
Kathleen Israel:sides.
Alan Carroll:Wow. So you go back a couple of generations.
Alan Carroll:Right? Wow. That's, that's, I bet. You know, we're in the
Alan Carroll:mindfulness business, you know, of conversations and building
Alan Carroll:our, our, our mindfulness muscles. And I always I always
Alan Carroll:had the thought that there's something about having deep
Alan Carroll:roots, which gives you some sort of mental motional stability.
Alan Carroll:Especially when times changing. And I'm wondering if that's your
Alan Carroll:experience Kathleen have out there in California for
Alan Carroll:generations.
Unknown:Yeah, it's, it's really nice to just know you're going
Unknown:when you're on the freeway and stuff like that, you know, when
Unknown:I go visit my kids in Texas, I'm like, Ah, where am I went to
Unknown:eighth north. And here in San Diego, the oceans, the oceans on
Unknown:the west end, the mountains are on the east. So you know,
Unknown:there's not much outstanding, Mexico south and you know, the
Unknown:rest of the US is north. Very good. But I think having a
Unknown:grounding technique, it's really good to no matter where you're
Unknown:at, you can just ground yourself. And I think that's
Unknown:really good. That
Alan Carroll:when you ground yourself because grounding
Alan Carroll:grounding is a is a major concept and mindfulness and
Alan Carroll:presence is is being grounded. And so when you when you talk
Alan Carroll:about grounded, it gives give the audience an experience or
Alan Carroll:recommendations of how you can ground yourself, no matter where
Alan Carroll:you are.
Unknown:Wow, this is my grounding technique. My daughter
Unknown:doesn't like it. But anyway I, this is what i do i Okay, I sit
Unknown:quietly and I I imagined from my feet coming up through my body,
Unknown:a fountain going out my head. And then I imagine that again,
Unknown:only it's going out my arms. And then I imagine it again, I what
Unknown:I do is I take my heart, and I go down to my feet. And I bring
Unknown:that up through me. And I go up to God, in that way.
Alan Carroll:I did it as you were, as you were talking, and
Alan Carroll:it's a wonderful visualization.
Unknown:And then I like to ground myself, I make my feet,
Unknown:my from my feet goes down into the earth. Oh, yeah. And then
Unknown:and then the earth comes up through me. That's the part my
Unknown:daughter doesn't like she said, she didn't like the earth inside
Unknown:her. So anyway, whatever.
Alan Carroll:Well, I look at the Earth is Mother Earth. So
Alan Carroll:then I came from Mother Earth, so I shouldn't be upset by
Alan Carroll:Mother Earth. I liked the feeling of as you described it,
Alan Carroll:there's there was a pattern to it. It wasn't just random. It
Alan Carroll:was a pattern in which I, I know had the head and then the arms.
Alan Carroll:And then then then we went, went to the heart, I believe and then
Alan Carroll:down to the down to the feet then up again.
Unknown:They heard up to God. Yeah, it's almost
Alan Carroll:like I can see the cross in my, in my the
Alan Carroll:Catholics, sometimes they have the cross of grounding
Alan Carroll:themselves and anchoring themselves. Okay, so when you
Alan Carroll:ground yourself wonderful technique, thank you for sharing
Alan Carroll:it with us. I still have tingles from it by it. And how often do
Alan Carroll:you use the technique? Is it something that you do regularly
Alan Carroll:in order to use what's your experience of using the
Alan Carroll:technique also?
Unknown:Well, I actually do Theta Healing. And so I do it
Unknown:when I do Theta Healing. And then if, if I just want to go up
Unknown:to God, and I want to, I want to commune with God. That's how I
Unknown:do it. And, and then when I get up to God, I announce myself,
Unknown:I'm Kathleen. And then I, it's a technique, you know, like, if
Unknown:you want to be close to God, it's really good to have a high
Unknown:vibration in your body, and your spirit. And so I work on having
Unknown:a high vibration all the time. And then and then when I go up
Unknown:to God, I can get, I can get closer to God, I don't know, you
Unknown:know, this is just how I explained it. Because when I
Unknown:have a low vibration, God has a very high vibration. And it's,
Unknown:it's like hard for me to get up there with my low vibration. So
Unknown:I try and keep my vibration high.
Alan Carroll:As you speak, an image comes to my mind, and the
Alan Carroll:images of the hot air balloon and the hot air balloon wants to
Alan Carroll:go up. But there's two ways to make the hot air balloon go up.
Alan Carroll:One way is more hot air. The second way is to throw the
Alan Carroll:ballasts off. And the ballasts are the things you're holding on
Alan Carroll:to. And so I would say that the low vibration folks are holding
Alan Carroll:on to something which keeps them anchored. And a higher vibration
Alan Carroll:means you're unloading stuff at some level of reality, making
Alan Carroll:your lighter and lighter and lighter so you're not going to
Alan Carroll:hurt yourself as your vibration intermingles with higher
Alan Carroll:vibrations, you can't go from zero to 100 You got to go to
Alan Carroll:2345. And so you it's not bad that you can't contact God from
Alan Carroll:a low vibration you have to practice. Yeah, there has to be
Alan Carroll:a practice Do you have a practice that you follow? And
Unknown:I have different things that I do to raise my vibration.
Unknown:One of them is praise, like praise like Glory to God in the
Unknown:highest type of praise. I I knew this this lady. She was just
Unknown:kind of the age that she was older than my mother. She was my
Unknown:mother's babysitter when she my mother was a little girl and so
Unknown:was I was a woman already but I got to know her as an older
Unknown:woman. And she told me that she just writes down praise words
Unknown:all the time and she just wherever she is she goes out Oh
Unknown:praise God for this beautiful tree type of thing you know, and
Unknown:she has had this big long list of praise God stuff. And that
Unknown:really impressed meet you. And so I have now that now that I'm
Unknown:an older woman, I have time, you know, I'm not all busy with my
Unknown:children and stuff like that I have time to do stuff like that.
Unknown:So I, I went online and I was like, Oh, I'm gonna find all the
Unknown:praise songs. And so I went online, and it just seemed like
Unknown:all the praise songs were supplication. Or, you know,
Unknown:thanking, they weren't necessarily praise. Whereas
Unknown:gratitude is very powerful. Praise is more powerful, more
Unknown:higher vibration. And so I, what I did was I just went through
Unknown:all the songs and wrote the actual praise parts down. And so
Unknown:I, it's quite long, actually, it takes more than five minutes to
Unknown:listen to it at night, but I, I read it into my phone. At night,
Unknown:when I go to bed, I, I push my praise thing and listen to it.
Unknown:So
Alan Carroll:is that something is that a link that can be
Alan Carroll:created? So people could link it and get that that Rolodex of
Alan Carroll:praise songs?
Unknown:Um, well, you know what, it wasn't just the names
Unknown:of the songs, but the words in the songs. So I was just trying
Unknown:to think of what, what is actual praise. And so then I went to
Unknown:the songs, I went through the, you know, different parts of the
Unknown:Bible and found actual praise words. And I, yeah, I wrote them
Unknown:down. I don't know, I play it to myself, I, I am not a
Unknown:professional, you know, talker. The
Alan Carroll:idea for me is I'm, I'm a, I'm a big fan of the
Alan Carroll:Course of Miracles. I find that to be a very fast vehicle, to
Alan Carroll:get you to that mindful state of consciousness. And, and one of
Alan Carroll:the ways they describe things, is that what you what you paint,
Alan Carroll:in your mind's eye, is projected out to the outer world. And it's
Alan Carroll:the same. Yeah, and when when you in your mind's eye, I can't
Alan Carroll:do it brings tears in my eyes, when you when you praise the
Alan Carroll:Spirit of God, without you're praising the Spirit of God with
Alan Carroll:it. But you have to give up. You have to give up your grievances.
Alan Carroll:You got to give up your complaints about Yeah, without
Alan Carroll:you have to practice forgiveness, as as a as a daily
Alan Carroll:practice.
Unknown:Speaking of forgiveness, I'm really into
Unknown:forgiveness. I'm so into forgiveness that I don't even
Unknown:feel like I need to forgive anybody anymore. Because well, I
Unknown:could tell you the story about I have this story that I don't
Unknown:know if God revealed it to me, or if I made it up. But anyway,
Unknown:I think it's true. And so I think that before I came in as a
Unknown:human, I was out in the universe with God and I was a low
Unknown:vibrational spirit. I had a low vibration, and I had heard, and
Unknown:I wanted to be close to God. And, and I had heard that if you
Unknown:go into the earth and be a human, you can actually raise
Unknown:your vibration by unconditional love. And so there I was, with
Unknown:this low vibration, and I decided to come in and even
Unknown:knowing that I would have parents that were really harsh,
Unknown:and, you know, my life was harsh when I was young. And so I came
Unknown:in anyway. I mean, it was, it was troubled from the get go.
Unknown:And just through my life, I was just a really sad person. And I
Unknown:didn't realize why I had come here. And so I just, you know, I
Unknown:just, you know, it's like, the worse it gets, the worse it
Unknown:gets. Because what you think about you bring about and if
Unknown:you're thinking about the sad stuff in your life, which is
Unknown:what my life was, then you just make more of it. And so,
Alan Carroll:on to an important concept about cocoa say that
Alan Carroll:couple of times there because that's a major insights. So
Alan Carroll:please repeat it slowly so the audience can really savor it.
Unknown:Um, I don't remember exactly. Right. So I, I wanted
Unknown:to raise my vibration. And I, when I got in here, I didn't
Unknown:remember that you don't remember. And so I was had a sad
Unknown:life. People were mean to me all my life. And the more the more I
Unknown:you know, the worse it gets, the worse it gets. So, if you're
Unknown:what you think about you bring about so I was thinking sad
Unknown:things all my life, you're thinking things in your mind.
Unknown:Yeah. And so I was bringing in sad happenings in my life.
Unknown:Because when you think about your bring about so that was
Unknown:that was what I did in my life. So
Alan Carroll:did you figure out a way of changing your thinking?
Unknown:Yeah, so Well, I remember when I was, you know, I
Unknown:was I always wanted to be close to God.
Alan Carroll:I vote for that one. I imagined every everybody
Alan Carroll:in the audience was for that one.
Unknown:Yeah. And I, I used to tell my sad story to people. And
Unknown:some lady one time she asked me, why don't you make up a better
Unknown:story? And I said, well, it wouldn't be true. The fact is
Unknown:that all the sad story is just evidence of what I had brought
Unknown:into my life with my sad story. So So anyway, I am. Okay, so I
Unknown:married Ron Israel. Wonderful man. And you know, and I just
Unknown:attracted all the terrible stuff from this poor man. And and so
Unknown:he got Parkinson's disease, and I had to care for him. He got it
Unknown:in 2001. And he died in 2018. So the first 10 years, he was okay,
Unknown:he could move could do stuff. But in 2010, he, he couldn't
Unknown:move on his own anymore, and he couldn't talk anymore. And so,
Unknown:from 2010 to 2018, I was his total caregiver. And so I had to
Unknown:be home, right? And so I used to, in the evening, go in and
Unknown:listen to healers online. And I, I really believe that God led me
Unknown:to my healers online. I would Darius bear Zonda, he has
Unknown:healers on his show. And so I would go on there. And I would
Unknown:like buy their program or something. And then I would do
Unknown:the work. And then after a while, it got not interesting
Unknown:anymore. And God would send me another one. And then I would
Unknown:study their stuff. And so what I think what's happening is God
Unknown:was raising my vibration a little bit at a time. And so
Unknown:when I, when I learned all that stuff from that healer, then my
Unknown:I had been raised up to the top of their teaching, and God would
Unknown:send me another one. And so through that time, I found out
Unknown:how, how to be happy. And what was wrong with my thinking. It
Unknown:didn't realize that worrying is like, making up a sad story. And
Unknown:then believing in it, and going with it. And in reality, there's
Unknown:endless possibilities. So, you know, that's
Alan Carroll:the rest. Wonderful. That's that's, that's
Alan Carroll:really as sweet as sweet sounds you made. They're very, very
Alan Carroll:sweet. Making it up. Very nice.
Unknown:Yeah, we do. And we could make up a good story. And
Unknown:the fact is that when we make up these sad stories about the
Unknown:people we love, we're actually cursing them by sending bad
Unknown:vibrations in their way, which is the if they're doing
Unknown:something exciting, and maybe we would perceive as dangerous, but
Unknown:it's what's there for them in their life. And if we think bad
Unknown:things, we're not helping them out at all. If we could make up
Unknown:a good story for them and and send them good vibrations. And
Unknown:in order
Alan Carroll:to do that, you have to sort of realize that the
Alan Carroll:first thing that you were going to send to them probably is not
Alan Carroll:the healthiest thing to do. So I'm going to go to another thing
Alan Carroll:that I'm going to send to them and this one is packaged in love
Alan Carroll:and and so it's the ability to catch yourself before you before
Alan Carroll:you pull the trigger on the on the reaction and then come over
Alan Carroll:here then have the higher vibration choice About for the
Alan Carroll:high for the sake of the higher, you have to give up those lower
Alan Carroll:thoughts, which feels good to the ego, however, is not good
Alan Carroll:for the being, which is that that higher level of, of what
Alan Carroll:you're talking about that vibration in which in which I
Alan Carroll:believe is a state of non judgement, there's no judgment
Alan Carroll:there you there's no right or wrong, which turns out to be the
Alan Carroll:very first lesson in the Course of Miracles is that you look at
Alan Carroll:everything you see, and nothing has any meaning. And if nothing
Alan Carroll:has any meaning, then it was no judgment. But how do you do
Alan Carroll:that? Because everything has meaning. So
Unknown:the thing is that when we've had some adversity in our
Unknown:lives, we're kind of tracking for adversity, you know, it's
Unknown:like, we're like, oh, okay, I don't want to have that happen
Unknown:again. So we're just like, you know, intent on that sort of
Unknown:thing. That's not helpful. Because of the possibilities
Unknown:that exist for us in our life. You know, we're, we need to, it
Unknown:takes a while, it really does. You can't just do it. But after
Unknown:a while, you get used to having a positive outlook. And, and
Unknown:that lady who told me I should make up a good story, she was
Unknown:right, I should have. But anyway, was the story that you
Unknown:made up? Well, gosh, my father was an alcoholic, rageaholic
Unknown:child molester. And you know, it, that my mother was ignoring
Unknown:the whole situation, because she had six kids, she used to read
Unknown:like six books a week, we go to the library, and she bring her
Unknown:big stack of books. You know?
Alan Carroll:What, that was your story. That's, that's, that
Alan Carroll:is a story in which you wouldn't have a wonder why you chose to
Alan Carroll:be incarnated into that family. And my understanding is you
Alan Carroll:chose you chose it in order to learn something had to happen in
Alan Carroll:order to raise your vibration. Naturally, I
Unknown:attracted it, I attracted it. With my low
Unknown:vibration, so
Alan Carroll:um, so your journey has been to get out of
Alan Carroll:the pain and out of the suffering comes the comes the
Alan Carroll:lotus flower, out of the mud comes the lotus flower. So your
Alan Carroll:enlightenment comes from that? The the experiences earlier
Alan Carroll:which you chose as a spirit to do, I think that's what you're
Alan Carroll:saying. Yeah.
Unknown:And the fact is that unconditional love is a very
Unknown:high vibration. And you can't even do it unless you have
Unknown:adversity. Because it's really easy to love the people who love
Unknown:us. And you have to have adversity to do unconditional
Unknown:love. And that's the that's the sweet spot there. So that's why,
Unknown:you know, have you heard of how oponopono
Alan Carroll:sounds Hawaiian? But no, I have it. Yeah,
Unknown:it is Hawaiian. It's a Hawaiian healing technique for
Unknown:the family. And it's like magic. I mean, mystical. And so what it
Unknown:is, is, it's this, it's kind of like an incantation or a prayer.
Unknown:But um, so this is how oponopono you say, I love you. And it's, I
Unknown:love God, God loves me. God loves that or the person. The
Unknown:other person loves God. And if you can say it, I love them.
Unknown:They love me but if you can't say you don't have to. Okay, so
Unknown:I love you. I'm sorry. And it's not I'm sorry I did anything but
Unknown:I'm sorry the situation exists between us. And then it's please
Unknown:forgive me. And it's not because I did anything but please
Unknown:forgive me for what's going on in me that caused me to attract
Unknown:this. So I have a button that this person pushed in me and it
Unknown:made me hate them. Because it hurts so deeply, like you say
Unknown:from my childhood are something so um, and then it Thank you.
Unknown:Thank you for showing me this so I could heal because if I didn't
Unknown:have this pain inside of me, I didn't I wouldn't know where I
Unknown:need to heal. So thank you for showing me this so I could heal.
Unknown:And then the big I love you again. I love God God loves me
Unknown:God loves the other person, you know the person loves God. And
Unknown:through that, you can. The thing is with people is we have a bind
Unknown:with people. We are they are bound to us we are bound to
Unknown:them. And it looses the binds that we have with the people
Unknown:that blankety blank ruin our life type of thing. You know, we
Unknown:have a bind with them and they're on So anyway, it
Unknown:loosens,
Alan Carroll:you said it loosens the the connection that
Alan Carroll:you had with that story. Now the story is getting further away.
Alan Carroll:And the influence the story has on your beingness gets less and
Alan Carroll:less and less as you create more and more space for it to be
Alan Carroll:further and further away. And pretty soon Hey, it's just my
Alan Carroll:story. Is that?
Unknown:Yeah. And also, the fact is that I'm taking
Unknown:responsibility for our buttons that get pushed. I think that's
Unknown:like something you you talked about earlier. So I so instead
Unknown:of being a victim, I'm not a victim, I realized that I
Unknown:attracted this out of them, they're just doing what they do.
Unknown:You know, and it hit a button inside of me that made me have
Unknown:pain. So then I can, I can just do I do the whole oponopono I
Unknown:mean, when I learned the whole oponopono I was doing it all the
Unknown:time. I
Alan Carroll:can spell it, I want to know how to spell it.
Alan Carroll:HOHOOOPONOP
Unknown:Oh, no.
Alan Carroll:PONOPONO. And
Unknown:you can put a one of those. Anyway, a line thing
Unknown:above the second hour or something.
Alan Carroll:Okay, all right, I think Google is good enough to
Alan Carroll:figure that one out. Yeah, that's really a sweet one,
Alan Carroll:because I close my eyes again. And when as you're doing it, the
Alan Carroll:the forgiveness of the unforgivable is, is a struggle
Alan Carroll:for the ego, which is in the is it was, which is, nd I will
Alan Carroll:never forgive for what they did. To me, I will never ever forgive
Alan Carroll:it. And so the ego is not going to relinquish the forgiveness.
Alan Carroll:And so it's for you to be able to experience that breakthrough,
Alan Carroll:when you realize that the forgiveness is causing you more
Alan Carroll:problems holding on to whatever you're holding on to, if I want
Alan Carroll:to be a higher level person, you have to you have to be able to
Alan Carroll:have no hatred at all, you can't you can't go to a higher
Alan Carroll:vibration if you have hatred to anything in the movie. And so
Alan Carroll:what you're saying to me is that you've you, you push through
Alan Carroll:that, and I realized that could go on, I
Unknown:realized that it's my responsibility to take care of
Unknown:my buttons. And the deeper it hurts, the deeper the button is
Unknown:in me. They, you know, and I, I just, and so that's why I don't
Unknown:feel like I need to forgive anybody because I attracted at
Unknown:all, even as a baby, even as a child. I attracted it all in.
Unknown:And it's not in a shame way that I attracted it. What it is, is I
Unknown:just honor myself as a valiant spirit who decided to come in
Unknown:here anyway, even knowing I would experience the stuff. And
Unknown:I honor my valiant spirit who came here to raise my vibration.
Unknown:So there's no shame. There's no shame in how oponopono
Alan Carroll:right? Yeah, right. What a what a wonderful
Alan Carroll:way of, of it's trying to create a mental story that frees you
Alan Carroll:from the past. And I know in the NLP world, they call it reframe.
Alan Carroll:How can you reframe it, and the if you can reframe it, you lose
Alan Carroll:the it's like, you, you realized you you break through a box or
Alan Carroll:something happens on a mental prison that you had is no longer
Alan Carroll:there. Because you figured out another way of interpreting it,
Alan Carroll:which is a much more positive way that to be to be
Unknown:Yeah, we all need to take responsibility for what's
Unknown:going on in us. Not in a shame way. At all. Only in an in a
Unknown:learning way. In a in a loving way. Yes. Like especially like
Unknown:those people that are just ruin your life then if we the only
Unknown:the best thing to do with them is to love them. Because
Unknown:anything that's lower than love is just hurting us. You know,
Alan Carroll:anything lower than love is just hurting us.
Alan Carroll:There's we've been again, the Course of Miracles says there's
Alan Carroll:two types of thoughts. There's attack thoughts, and there's
Alan Carroll:loving thoughts. That's it. So either you are loving when you
Alan Carroll:speak you're loving vibration. You you You praise you praise
Alan Carroll:comes out of you, about the world around you, and you praise
Alan Carroll:the flowers and you praise the trees. And that's beautiful.
Alan Carroll:Because when you praising it, you feel an energy that comes
Alan Carroll:through you, you have power of praising is that's a that's a,
Alan Carroll:that's a high level vibration power. So why not use it? Well,
Alan Carroll:I don't deserve the praise. Well, I just tried to pray
Alan Carroll:simply praise one thing and see what happens. You
Unknown:know, the I don't deserve part is is just like I
Unknown:wonder what that's made out of? You know? The? Yeah. When,
Unknown:because we are divine beings. And anything that isn't love
Unknown:isn't really us. You know? And so we can, we can be fooled, you
Unknown:know, to think stuff that's not love is us. But it's not so, but
Unknown:it's like Jesus said, you know, forgive them they know not what
Unknown:they do. He knew what, what it was like to be human, you know,
Unknown:to be lost in our thoughts and, you know, just confused and
Unknown:listen, and maybe we listened to the wrong stuff for a long time,
Unknown:and we don't know which way is up anymore.
Alan Carroll:That's right. Lost in our thoughts is a good way of
Alan Carroll:describing your thoughts are just like a monkey mind has been
Alan Carroll:used to describe as lost in thoughts, your thoughts are
Alan Carroll:constantly going all over the place and you and how do you
Alan Carroll:settle the thoughts? How do you make the leaves that we're
Alan Carroll:stirred up? How do you make those leaps? Just settle down,
Alan Carroll:settle down, settle down. So you know you're in a more leafless
Alan Carroll:environment, less leaves.
Unknown:Yeah, I think that loving ourselves is really key
Unknown:for that I have in the past. You know what Wayne Dyer talked
Unknown:about this thing that you can do, and your body can just like
Unknown:start at your toes and just love every cell in your big toe, and
Unknown:then go to the next toe. And just like it's a great thing to
Unknown:do when you're asleep, you're trying to sleep and you can't
Unknown:get asleep. And you just start at the bottom and just love
Unknown:every cell in your body. And one time I was I really was having a
Unknown:hard time sleeping and I was listening to Wayne and so so I
Unknown:did that for several nights. And you know, maybe I would get up
Unknown:to my elbows or something and then I would fall asleep. But
Unknown:when that it got through my whole body and I loved every
Unknown:cell in my body. And the next day, I was driving up 54th
Unknown:street here to El Cajon Boulevard. And the alcohol
Unknown:Boulevard is like a very eclectic street you got anybody
Unknown:anybody could be walking down that street. So this like guy
Unknown:who was very disheveled is walking across the street and I
Unknown:was just sitting there all of a sudden I realized how much I
Unknown:love this guy. And I was just watching the way is you know his
Unknown:clothes hung on his body or I was just looking at his face and
Unknown:I was like I just love that guy so much and I just thought you
Unknown:know what I think when you're all loved up it's easy to love
Unknown:other people like if you're if you're in a deficit of love for
Unknown:yourself then it's hard to love other people but anyway, I was
Unknown:all loved up because I had started at my toes and gotten in
Unknown:my head and and it was with a lovely it was a lovely
Unknown:experience actually.
Alan Carroll:Oh lovely is a sweet way of describing the
Alan Carroll:miraculous it's yeah, it's the flow of the realization that the
Alan Carroll:Warner Earhart described something he described it as a
Alan Carroll:you you don't need to go looking for love when it's where you
Alan Carroll:come from the Course of Miracles would describe it as God cannot
Alan Carroll:do for you what God cannot do through you so there's so
Alan Carroll:allowing yourself to be the spokesperson for the Spirit
Alan Carroll:allows that spirit to flow through you and you can I love
Alan Carroll:the praise thing is third time has come up but but to you, you
Alan Carroll:what's the word you want you prime you prime the pump by a
Alan Carroll:little bit of praise, a little bit of praise and a bit of
Alan Carroll:praise. And pretty soon it's like you're painting a picture
Alan Carroll:of heaven in your every moment now. is a is a divine moment of
Alan Carroll:presence. So the guy with a shovel does walking across is a
Alan Carroll:Whew. That's a that's a that's a big deal.
Unknown:Yeah, it was was lovely. Oh, boy. Oh,
Alan Carroll:boy, you're you are you're getting your you it
Alan Carroll:took you a while to get there. But I know I
Unknown:was I wish I had started earlier but I didn't get
Unknown:it. I just didn't get it until, you know, Ron was sick and I had
Unknown:to add to be here, you know. So that's the gift of Brian's
Unknown:illness.
Alan Carroll:Yeah, to be able to, you know, look at it that
Alan Carroll:way. It's like, wow, this, other people could look at it
Alan Carroll:differently and physically, mentally and emotionally, they
Alan Carroll:would just, you know, they have to carry that, that burden of
Alan Carroll:victimhood, and you're able to release it. And now, you're,
Alan Carroll:you're flying, you're flying through the space?
Unknown:Well, you know, if you are in a committed relationship,
Unknown:and it's death do us part somebody's gonna be kicking here
Unknown:as somebody sometime you know. And so I just was grateful that
Unknown:I was the caregiver, not the sick person, you know, I felt
Unknown:like I had the better half. And I was grateful for that.
Alan Carroll:I people who want to reach out to you will, will
Alan Carroll:have all your notes and headshots and links and things
Alan Carroll:like that in the show notes. And how can people just right now
Alan Carroll:reach out to you and connect with you and the gifts that you
Alan Carroll:are in the world?
Unknown:You know, when after, I mean, I studied a long time
Unknown:online, with all those enlightened thought leaders. And
Unknown:when Ron died, I thought, wow, I really know some stuff now that
Unknown:really elevated my situation here on Earth. And I thought I'd
Unknown:like to share it with people. And so I wanted to write a book
Unknown:about it so I could share all the things I learned. But
Unknown:anyway, after Ron died, I walked the Camino Santiago de
Unknown:Compostela. Just 500 miles across northern Spain and walk
Unknown:500
Alan Carroll:miles. Yeah, I did. Yeah. And
Unknown:so it's a big deal. So I want this 500 mile track
Unknown:pilgrimage. I am a Catholic. And so, you know, it's a Catholic
Unknown:thing, although only about 30% of the people who walk the
Unknown:Camino are Catholic and do it for spiritual reasons. Sure. But
Unknown:anyway, um, after I got home, and I thought it was time to, to
Unknown:write the book, I thought, oh, gosh, I was really reluctant to
Unknown:be teaching because I didn't feel like an authority. And so I
Unknown:remembered that I told all those things to people on the Camino.
Unknown:So I actually wrote my book about walking the Camino and
Unknown:telling people those things along the way. So um, so my book
Unknown:is wisdom on the camino, a spiritual journey, sharing
Unknown:forgiveness and possibilities to inspire the rest of your life by
Unknown:Kathleen Donnelly, Israel. And so it's a real I've got a really
Unknown:killer cover. I know you can get it on online too. But
Alan Carroll:the cover get hold it up. Yeah, this is
Unknown:the cover. All right. And it's like me going forward
Unknown:and standing there too. It's kind of anyway, I don't know if
Unknown:you can see it. Beautiful. Designer, do you design it
Unknown:yourself? Oh, no, as a matter of fact, I am a graphic designer.
Unknown:That was my, you know, my job. I got a degree, you know, and
Unknown:stuff and, and I tried to make my cover, and then I got
Unknown:somebody to make a cover for me, because nobody liked the one I
Unknown:made. And I loved it. And so, um, you know, I have a lot of
Unknown:friends. So I just showed it to them. And anyway, I let them
Unknown:decide which one was the best cover. And it was so funny
Unknown:because my sister in law loved the one I designed to, and I
Unknown:loved it too, but I couldn't use it because nobody else liked it.
Alan Carroll:So well. It's nice to be able to formalize your
Alan Carroll:thoughts in the book form. So it's available for people who
Alan Carroll:want to access in the in the book form the wisdom that you
Alan Carroll:have experienced at As you have been riding down the river, and
Alan Carroll:your river had a lot of rapids, a lot of ups and downs. And it
Alan Carroll:sounds as though you've, I've stabilized you've, you've gone
Alan Carroll:through on, hopefully you, you've gone through the major.
Alan Carroll:And now you still might have stuff going on. But your ability
Alan Carroll:to manage it mentally is you've been transformed to be able to
Alan Carroll:manage the river differently than you did for the first part
Alan Carroll:of life. Now, you still issues come up, but they're just issues
Alan Carroll:now. They're not deeply mentally disturbing. I imagined,
Unknown:right when things get really awful. I think, Oh, what
Unknown:was I thinking that brought this in? You know? And, like, I just
Unknown:went, um, I went on a trip with my sister in law. And she was so
Unknown:gracious to go with me. I wanted to go to Dollywood. But I didn't
Unknown:want to go alone. And then she came, even though that's not her
Unknown:thing. She came and it was, was so lovely. But um, yeah, I
Unknown:couldn't hardly handle her personality sometimes. And, and
Unknown:that, you know, it was so blatant to me that I had
Unknown:attracted anything I didn't like about her. So. And also
Alan Carroll:notice that so So yeah, this was recently and you
Alan Carroll:had the like, you're watching the movie of Dollywood. And the
Alan Carroll:person you're with and you're able to see that in the past,
Alan Carroll:you would have judged it this way. But you're able to capsize
Alan Carroll:boat and you're able to right sided up quickly. That's exactly
Alan Carroll:what mindfulness is about that ability to right side the boat
Alan Carroll:quickly, not that you're not gonna get capsized. It's just
Alan Carroll:that How quick can you get back again? And I bet love has a lot
Alan Carroll:to do with it.
Unknown:Yeah, well, it allows the love, you know, and to
Unknown:realize, like, when you like think somebody is like, evil or
Unknown:something. That's just not true. Because they're a divine being
Unknown:also, you know, and, and I did notice, like, that she had
Unknown:anxiety. And the things that were showing up that were
Unknown:uncomfortable for me were caused by her anxiety, you know, and
Unknown:so, I mean, how could I fault her for that? I mean, you know,
Unknown:we just have anxiety. So, yeah, so, no, I don't need to forgive
Unknown:her. And, and I care about this. Yeah. I attracted everything. I
Unknown:attracted everything I didn't like, and I attracted all the
Unknown:good things too. I did. So, yeah.
Alan Carroll:Well, it's a, quite a, quite a journey that
Alan Carroll:you have been on. And it's quite a journey that you took our
Alan Carroll:audience on today. Really, it's a it's a, it's the journey of
Alan Carroll:self realization, of the journey of the bridge from the ego to
Alan Carroll:the being, that lower vibration, heaviness to a higher vibration
Alan Carroll:of lightness. And being able to articulate the thoughts be able
Alan Carroll:to express the the love and the forgiveness is those are, those
Alan Carroll:are higher level thought forms. When you're talking about praise
Alan Carroll:and forgiveness all the time. It's like that's pretty cool.
Alan Carroll:And,
Unknown:and, and you don't even need to forgive, you know,
Unknown:forgiving yourself is what, what's important. And also
Unknown:realizing it's not about shame. When you forgive yourself. It's
Unknown:not about shame. It's about getting closer to God and loving
Unknown:when you when you forgive yourself and taking
Unknown:responsibility and so you don't have to be a victim. I hate it
Unknown:being a victim. I'm not a victim anymore. At all.
Alan Carroll:How is shame and guilt connected? Are they the
Alan Carroll:same word? I feel guilty about what I did I feel ashamed about
Alan Carroll:what I did I feel embarrassed about what I did. I feel stuck.
Alan Carroll:I did. Oh
Unknown:my gosh, oh my gosh is so that is such a big piece is
Unknown:okay, so I would do something and I would be mortified that
Unknown:No, somebody noticed what I did. Like I'm just going to tell you
Unknown:one time I was I was at the Old Globe Theatre and I had this
Unknown:skirt that the bottom was uneven. And so I I, you know, I
Unknown:went to the restroom, and I was making sure all my parts of my
Unknown:skirt were down in the back right? Now walked out. And this
Unknown:lady came up to me and told me that my skirt was up in my
Unknown:waistband. And I thought I had, you know, I mean, there, I was
Unknown:walking in front of all those people. And I was just like, so
Unknown:mortified, like, I could die. Right? Ah, and then, and then I
Unknown:realized that I congratulated myself for being there. Because
Unknown:if I had stayed home, and just been by myself, I wouldn't have
Unknown:had that happen to me. So I congratulate it and honored my
Unknown:valiant spirit that was out there in a situation where it
Unknown:could be embarrassed. And, and so I got over it right away,
Unknown:like boom. And, and it, it seems kind of silly. But I mean,
Unknown:that's the kind of thing that I used to always just be so
Unknown:embarrassed all the time about everything. And now I'm like,
Unknown:Yeah, okay, well, if I had stayed home, I wouldn't have had
Unknown:that problem. But I'm congratulating myself for being
Unknown:out there. In a situation where I could experience that. And
Unknown:that's it.
Alan Carroll:That's, that's an important idea. Because I God's
Alan Carroll:not gonna knock on your door and say, Oh, hi. Hi, how you doing?
Alan Carroll:Kathleen? Would you want to get enlightened? No, Kathleen has to
Alan Carroll:open the door, go out in the community, put herself into
Alan Carroll:circulation, put herself into participation. So the gifts of
Alan Carroll:God, it's better. It's easier to give it to you when you go out
Alan Carroll:there rather than hide act fight at home. And so that's
Alan Carroll:wonderful. Because that's a testimonial to the the person
Alan Carroll:that may be reluctant because I don't know what's on the other
Alan Carroll:side of the door. You know, yet, you know, you're you're a
Alan Carroll:testimonial that God's on the other side of the door.
Alan Carroll:Wonderful. That's beautiful. Well, we have taken a lot of
Alan Carroll:time today. I loved hearing your your stories.
Unknown:Your thing? Well, one more thing. You're absolutely.
Unknown:Okay. So in my book, right across from the table of
Unknown:contents, I have a gift for my readers. And people, like I
Unknown:shared my pictures with my friends on Facebook. And they
Unknown:said you got to put your pictures in your book. And I'm
Unknown:like, yeah, and then it'll be $50 for the book. And so I made
Unknown:a website with galleries and portfolios of my pictures per
Unknown:chapter. So you can like, go across from the table of
Unknown:contents, you have to double opt in and says read this first. And
Unknown:then you know, and then you can see the pictures while you're
Unknown:reading the book.
Alan Carroll:That's technology working. Yeah. The books
Alan Carroll:available on Amazon, Amazon. Yeah. Well hold it up again. So
Alan Carroll:in case people somehow are able to take a there. Let's let's
Alan Carroll:just hold hold on, because I'm going to take a picture of it.
Alan Carroll:So I have it. All right. Oh, look at that. Okay. Perfect.
Alan Carroll:Perfect. Okay.
Unknown:So, when I wrote the book, I actually wrote down my
Unknown:teachings. And then I wrote who I, I wrote who I told them to,
Unknown:and then I arranged it in a timeline on the Camino.
Alan Carroll:Wow. Well, it's, it's been, it's been a wonderful
Alan Carroll:experience, Kathleen, I appreciate it. Use a wonderful
Alan Carroll:guest. sharing, sharing, unlimited sharing, open sharing,
Alan Carroll:enjoying enjoying the journey free to go here to go there.
Alan Carroll:That's wonderful. Because you got to be a light, flexible to
Alan Carroll:be able to do that. And that's a characteristic of I think the
Alan Carroll:higher level you go is the vibration, the more flexible
Alan Carroll:that you become. Thank you, God. Thank you very much for being a
Alan Carroll:guest. And thank you very much for the opportunity. Be being
Alan Carroll:with you today. And I'll say goodbye and have a joyful,
Alan Carroll:blessed day. Bye bye, you
Unknown:will to Alan. Bye. Bye bye