As the year winds down, Cinthia Varkevisser and Michelle Walters dive into a conversation most people avoid: closure.

In this episode of Mind Power Meets Mystic, we explore why how you end something directly affects what you step into next—whether that’s a job, a relationship, a year, or an identity. Closure isn’t about making things “nice.” It’s about being clean and clear on your side, even if the other person isn’t happy about it.

Michelle shares deeply personal stories about grief, loss, and unfinished endings—from the death of her husband, to navigating loss during the pandemic, to learning how incomplete closure can prolong pain. Cinthia brings her signature strategic intuition, breaking down why messiness follows you when you don’t consciously close the door—and how clarity creates momentum.

The conversation weaves through relationships, dating, family dynamics, estrangement, grief, forgiveness, and the courage it takes to end things honestly. You’ll hear real-life examples of what clean closure looks like in action—and why you don’t have to wait for December 31st to reset your life.

If you’re feeling the nudge to wrap something up, release an old chapter, or make space for what’s next, this episode is your permission slip.

Because clean endings create powerful beginnings.

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welcome to Mind Power Meets Mystic. The show where practical mind power and mystical wisdom collide with humor and wild curiosity.

Yeah, we're not here to play it safe. I'm Cinthia Varkevisser, your resident spiritual shit disturber. I stir things up with mystic power and bold action.

And I'm Michelle Walters, coach and Hypnotherapist. I bring strategy and transformative hypnosis to help you turn subconscious blocks into unstoppable momentum.

Let's shake up your thinking, dive into your soul and make bold moves in your life.

We'll take you on a journey of breakthrough and aha moments, exploring spirit, business, love relationships and self expansion.

We're connecting you with your highest self and flipping fear into strength.

So buckle up. We're doing this one wild, transformative conversation at a time.

Let's go.

Hello, listeners, you have me and Cinthia together today. Thank you for tuning in to this week's episode of Mind Power Meets Mystic. The holidays are coming. It is almost the end of the year, and we thought it would be good to talk about something we don't usually talk about, and that is the idea of closure. Closure is very important. And Cinthia is going to tell us why.

Well, what I like to tell a lot of people is how you finish something, is how you start the next, next thing. So when someone comes to me talks about jobs, wanting to leave their job, or a relationship, we go over everything that's still messy or the loose ends, and let that person decide how they want to leave that space. Because if you leave messy, you're going to find that that mess happens to be at your next step. So you're right. It's the end of this the year. It's a great time. We start of the year, and the start of the year, it's wonderfully cold outside for our California blood and we and it's a good time to to really get snuggled in and and do some reflecting. So what you want to do with closure, it's not about being pretty. It's not about anything like that. It's just about being clean and clean. Doesn't mean you have to be clean with the other person. If it's a relationship, it's about you being clean and clear

on your side, that's a very good distinction, right? So if,

if I want to finish up a relationship or change up a relationship, and I say something that's very clear, but it makes the other person angry. That anger has nothing to do with me. That's that is their response to something that they have to clean up, and I'm the one that has, that has left clear and clean. So that's an example, but we have a couple of other examples, and I'm going to toss that back over to you. So when

we started talking about closure, the first thing that came to my mind was my two big relationships that ended, and the two relationships ended in very different ways in terms of the closure aspect of them. So my husband, Bruce, had always figured he was going to die. He had a will. He had a well, he didn't have any money because he figured he was going to die, but he did kind of have a plan. And he had gotten sick, he was in a rest home for a while, and then he went on hospice. And I thought, Oh, he's going to be on hospice for weeks, because this guy's a fighter. He was on hospice for 30 hours. So, yeah, yeah. So you know, when Bruce was ready to go, he was out of here. The closure that I experienced with Bruce's death was, I mean, don't get me wrong, even when you know somebody's going to die is really, really painful, but things had been kind of laid out. His family showed up. They were supportive. They helped with arrangements. They came for the memorial service like there was kind of a process and and I wouldn't say that I really felt complete, but there was a sense of closure and process. Now, 10 years later, I ended another relationship because my partner, Scott died, and Scott had been sick, and Scott had some of his stuff figured out, but he died during the pandemic, and his family didn't really know what to make of me and the back the bad juju all over the place. It was just miserable. Cinthia remembers that it was terrible. And a big part of it, I think, was just that, like the process of closure, was not there at all. It was not there at all. And. So it really extended my grief. It extended a lot of hurt feelings. It extended a whole lot of stuff that probably didn't have to play out the way it did. But, you know, it's, it speaks well to this idea of kind of plan for closure,

what I what I witnessed with you going through this is that your closure came in bits and pieces. So with every realization, you could close the door a little bit more and close the door a little bit more. So as painful as it was for you and as hard as it was for me to to stand by and witness, it was amazing to watch you still be willing to step through the next piece and then the next piece and the next piece, and then seeing you with your whole face and your whole heart saying, I'm ready to date.

Yeah, well, that day has come, and we're going to talk more about that in a minute, but we're going to turn to a big loss you had, right last year, unanticipated, right?

Yeah, that was my brother. It was October of last year, so it was a little bit more than a year ago. We'd been estranged since my mom had passed, so that was about 10 years, and he said that he never wanted to see me again, the closure I had to deal with, not only with not knowing my brother, finding out that he passed, and understanding his friendships and where he was living and how he was living his lifestyle, it was closing The piece of hope that we were going to reconcile, or at least see each other one more time. So even when he passed, I didn't get to see him, and that's probably for the best, right? So I have these memories of of how I saw him right before my mom passed. So my closure was it took a year I got to go through all the little crazy things of I could have been a better sister, or I was really mad at him for not seeing me and my good intentions, which is all a bunch of bullshit, right? It doesn't really matter what he was thinking, because there was no way I was going to change his mind. And I have no idea how our relationship affected him. I do know how it affected me. I was really sad, and I only had one brother. I only had one sibling, so I also went through this orphan stage, right? Yeah, lost both

your parents and your brother, yep,

so it was a it was a whole lot of closure. And what happened was coming to a realization that how we ended was perfect, right? It was perfect. It does. It didn't meet my expectations, but it was perfect. I got to see how much his friends loved him. I got to see how he chose his lifestyle. I got to see how He reconciled certain things. And it was really, really beautiful and and again, it made me understand that my expectations weren't exactly that my expectations, there was absolutely no reality in any of that. So it was lovely to be done at Halloween of this year, actually, Dia de los Muertos, and to say goodbye to that person, which is me, not my brother, because I'd already said goodbye to my brother, but to say goodbye to me that had that expectations and and the hope so,

yeah, big moves. Big steps. Hello, listeners. You have been listening to this fine episode of Mind, power meets mystic. And Cinthia and I have a few things we wanted to share.

Cinthia, well, I've got a couple of crazy, cool things that come up every month, and one is called strategic intuition for greater business success. This is great for people who want to use their intuition for a better communication with their families, their companies and community. And that's on third Thursdays. These are all virtual. And the other one I have is called the prosperity flow. Shift your space, shift your life, and that's on First Fridays, has everything to do with your home and any other space that you want to make more vibrant. So that's what I've got going on. What do you have going on? My friend,

I have two different kinds of events I do every month. One I've been doing for years now. It's called nourish and flourish. Nourish and flourish is a online hypnosis experience, and it is always on a Friday and always at noon Pacific. Usually it's the second Friday, but it floats around, so the best way to find the date for it is to go to the classes page on my website, there's a link. There, and you can either use it to just jump in, or you can go over to Eventbrite and sign up. The second event that I've started hosting this year is some marketing events. I have two different talks that I give for small businesses who want to learn more about how to do great in their marketing. And those dates and the classes are also available on my classes page. All of these that we're talking about are free, good listener, and we would love to have a chance to meet you and welcome you to one of our events. So for me, check the classes page and Cinthia, where can people find the details about your events

that is also on my website and the classes page, but let's make sure that we'll have them in the show notes, so that it's even easier for our listeners.

Love it back to the show. So then Cinthia remembered that there are stories that are coming up because of Michelle's dating adventures. Michelle's dating Adventures Continue, although there's an exciting new lead in the in the bullpen. So that's, that's the good news. I had been seeing somebody over the last year, and kind of felt like, Hey, this is going pretty well, and I'd like to make more of it. I'd like to step things up a little bit here, and I told him that asked him for what I wanted, and he did not want the same thing, right? He wanted a different setup between the two of us, and that's not really what I wanted. And so it was a little bit hard, and it pulled the heartstrings, and I felt really, really awful for about a week, and then I was like, You know what? Like, he's not a bad guy. I'm a wonderful gal, but we don't want the same thing. And there's really not a lot of point when you're my age, if you don't want the same thing, forget it, you know, right? And so a few weeks, you know, that week of hurting passed, and then a few more weeks passed, and I was like, Well, if he wants me, I will hear about it. And I didn't. And so a month later, I was like, you know, we're done. And that was that there wasn't much to be resolved. And as a result, I wound up going to Mexico with my kiddo, as opposed to this gentleman and my kiddo and I had a great time. So one relationship closes for me. I mean, I guess there are people who kind of a friend of mine's mother used to say that she always had one in the wings, always a boyfriend in the wings. I have never been really that kind of person, but what I know about myself is that another good candidate doesn't typically show up until space is made for that candidate. So on to bigger and better. That was the closure of that one, right?

And there were so many good aha moments along the way that was so much fun as the person watching as I really always want to be Michelle's wing woman, but that's it just hasn't happened, so I just get to go, yay. All the way along the ping. The thing that I really liked about how you handled that situation is that the closure happened within you, and then you were adult enough to formalize it so that there was none of this.

Yeah, what was it dragging out that was interesting to me, I mean, because I forgot the part, didn't mention the part, and kind of forgot the part about, like, Oh, you don't want me. Well, I'm going back on the apps because somebody wants me. And sure enough, I found another person to see for a while, and he wasn't the right guy either. But it was real nice to be liked by another when I wasn't liked by the one who I was asking for, right um, and he was the right guy. That's fine, but, um, yeah, I think it is kind of that, that being clean, yeah, thing in terms of like, and I know years ago there was a there was a fellow I dated between my husband, Bruce and my partner Scott. And when I realized that that relationship was not a, what I'm calling now the go the distance relationship, I realized it was not going to be a go the distance relationship. And I was like, hey, we need to split up. This is what it's going to be. And he was a little bit but I thought we were going to be together. I thought this was great. And I was like, no. You know, once he was out, that's when Scott appeared, like, right for me, there's not really one in the wings. There's typically, you know, the door is open or the door is not open. So I'm still working on the bullpen prospect, but, you know, but I'll get there. But the

thing that, again, what. Happen is that by being super clean and make it a formality, when I talk to Michelle and and the prospects, she's very, very clear about who is worthy of your time and energy. And that's pretty incredible.

I am. I'm fortunate, but I think some of it is smart, too. This girl from once, she had a terrible boyfriend, and I was like, Honey, the problem is not that you date losers. The problem is that you date losers a really long time. Like everybody dates losers, that's okay, but, but I've been pretty lucky, like, for the most part, I'm very discerning about sort of who I step out with, and generally have second, third, multiple dates with someone so but you know, still considering good prospects as of this recording.

So take a look at this lovely lady, and if you happen to know a nice six

could be a big year.

So I have the opposite of what Michelle is going through her adventures. My adventure is with my ex husband, and we've been separated for at least 15 years, 15 years and change and lately? Well, let me back up. I wanted to make sure that we remained family and good family, not you know someone that you just tolerate, because I'm really clear that I want to be a grandma so when I'm blessed with that grandchild that I'm going to be able to have great conversation with, Frank, my ex husband, and say, you know, this is what's going on with our grandkids. I'm super excited. When are you going to see them? When am I going to see them? So it's not weird. And you know, our twin daughters are at an age where, you know, they are looking at long term partners, and I don't want, I've been to enough weddings where the parents take all the joy out of a freaking wedding. It's so not about you. Yeah, yeah. You know, people are putting money in and all that stuff, but it's not about you. So quit making the drama and on the outside, it's a lot of fun to watch

the drama. The drama fun to watch. Oh

man, it is. But to be, you know, to be closely to it, and definitely don't want to be a part of it. So that's a long way of saying. Frank and I are family. We love each other. We just know that our lifestyles just didn't match. And in one of our phone conversations, his voice changed, his energy was different. And I went, This is it. He has someone in his life that has shifted him in a really, really good way, and he was finally ready to tell me about it, and there was an opportunity to go and meet her. And I jumped on that opportunity. For me, it was really important so that we could close the circle of our relationship and cement the the fact that we are family and that I want the best for him as and wish him well on the way and his way, as well as let his girlfriend. He's the call girlfriend in our age, girlfriend, lady friend, partner, partner, partner, maybe, yeah, significant other that she, you know, all I had to do is go, Look, this is his past. You have nothing to worry about. You go. Have so much fun. And I was really fortunate that it was Thanksgiving at his house, that she was just as willing to meet me as I was to meet her, that my daughter, one of my daughters, was there so that the focus didn't have to be on the relationship. And it was a really lovely experience. I'm so excited for them. And she happens to be a good cook, so I got to benefit from her amazing cooking, and she's just a lovely person. So what we did is we made we had a talk with with Frank, and said, you know, don't fuck this up. She's a nice lady.

Yeah, you didn't have the best term for Frank's previous dating adventure.

Oh no, God, to say that there are misadventures is like to say it lightly, in the column dramas, the there's more comedy in there than the draw. I mean, it was just, yeah, it was like a K drama. You know what? I mean, there's, oh, that sounds exciting. It sounds like a TV it was something. It was a TV special. It really was, until you get tired of it, because you know that, that's the thing about cage. Promise you know that there's an end date. It's not like soap operas that go on forever. You know closure Exactly?

Yes. And one last thing, you don't have to wait till the 31st of December to do this shit. And you don't have to wait until the first to start this shit. So just as long as you're clean and then you get to start fresh and dewy,

and that wraps up another episode of Mind, power meets mystic, please give us a like, a rating, a review, a follow, send us to a friend and have some very happy, happy holidays and a wonderful upcoming New Year. Bye, bye. You've been listening to Mind Power Meets Mystic.