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In this episode, Robb and Tina delve into the critical issues of human trafficking, especially within Native communities, highlighting alarming statistics, personal stories, and the urgent need for community action and awareness.

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show of Don't get this twisted. I am Rob along with my co-host as always Tina. How you doing Tina?

Dragon ass today Rob. I'm not gonna lie this pal out kicked my Kicked me in the backside. Yeah Had a great time like life is good there. We we did a lot but sold a lot But it was over a hundred degrees both days. There was a fire out past us and it was just a very very hot weekend And the older I get the hotter

Behind? Yeah.

The hotter weather just kind of drains me so I'm doing alright but...

Yeah. I was lucky. I left the state to go to South Dakota to see my family. And it never got above seventy seven degrees. Yeah. And at night it was like forty eight at night. So Yeah, it was it was pretty cool, to be honest. Yeah, it's coming. I mean

Uh-huh.

Seriously. Wow.

that's a blessing.

I'm waiting for it to get like that again here.

I think it's gonna be this coming this coming weekend, if you're listening to this on Wednesday when it came out. this coming weekend in our region it's supposed to be like high seventies.

eventually.

We will see. Supposed to start raining Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday too.

That would be really nice.

Yeah, I'm really, really over the heat. I this really needs to stop. it would be really nice if we could do that. I know, but it's it's October. Like at least cool down a little. Yeah, you said Sunday, Monday, Tuesday now for rain. And Monday, if it's true, it says rain and 67 degrees. That would be awesome.

We live in California though.

Yeah.

what a blessing. Yeah. That'd be nice.

That would be super cool. E even if it's this cool, I don't even care about the rain.

Yeah, I don't want the rain, but if it's cool I'll be happy.

Yeah. That'd be awesome. but yeah, good trip. like I was telling you before we went on, I need a vacation from my vacation because my parents ran me ragged. I mean

You

That's awesome.

We went everywhere. We went to the Badlands in South Dakota. We went to see Mount Rushmore. We went and saw they're working on Sitting Bull. If if you didn't know, they're actually doing a rock there. we went and saw that. Which is and it Mount Rushmore's big. It it it doesn't look big from far away, but each head is six stories tall. Yeah, it's big. We

Yeah.

Is it really?

When you walk in it looks super tiny. I was like, that's not a big deal. And then there's a little like like a walking path that you can do. And then you get like right underneath it and you're like, this is really big. Like, holy shit. And then sitting bull, the well, what will be a sitting bull once they're the face is looks like it's almost done. And then they're gonna do like a very large horse's

Yeah.

No.

horse next to it, it looks really bitchin'. It's like it's like three times bigger than Mount Rushmore. It's huge. They

and how long are they projecting it'll take them to get done?

I think another seven years 'cause it's it's not public. It's donation funded. So yeah. But it's pretty cool. And then we went to Custer State Park, which is a state park there in the lovely state of South Dakota. it's when I mean massive.

Gotcha.

There's like there's parts of it that look like the Grand Canyon and then there's we went to a lake that had like big rocks coming out of it and we walked the trail there and it was cool. But like I said, my my parents were nice enough to run me ragged. but it was cool because I got like barbecue and I really and here's the funny thing. I ate what I would consider shitty and I lost four pounds.

Hehehe.

or the walking.

All the walking. Yeah, I think I was just and I only had one meal. Like by the time it was time to eat, I only ate one time and it was like really bad, but or not bad, but a lot. So I was getting all thirteen hundred calories in one meal because like we were snacking and walking. So it I burned all that shit off. you wanted to talk about something. And

No, it's...

I think it's im well, here's the thing. You did something at the powwow. That's wha how this started last week. Me and me and you were talking. And whoa. so and and then since I was in South Dakota, there's a very large native community. several different tribes, but the Lakota are like the big ones. And you wanted to talk about

very.

Uh-huh.

Human trafficking and native and how bad it is in the native community. And I told you the last day I was there, my stepmom leaned over with her phone and said, if you see this girl, say something. Because there was a 13-year-old girl missing. And it was wild because, you know, we talked about doing this show last week. So I already knew what we were going to talk about. And it was wild that like that.

Yes.

That's so sad.

Yeah.

that it came up in your world.

came up. Yeah, like right in my parents' backyard. And they and then I kind of asked them a couple of questions here and there and they even said that like it's on the news all the time. Like there's a lot of missing people. Yeah. Yeah. I mean not like, you know, hundreds of thousands, but it's big.

Really? Because we have, yeah, in California, we have such a high percentage of people taken and yet I don't watch TV and so I don't really watch the news unless I'm sitting out with my dad and it's never on the news. Like we never hear of it. And so it's getting to the point where

I know my family is not on the reservation. We haven't been on the reservation for many generations. However, there are many people that I know who have family that have been taken and are still missing or are coming back just completely abused like in ways that these women are never going to be the same in their children that's being taken.

We don't we don't really even talk about it or bring it up during powwows that I go to and so I decided that I was going to put the the red paint over my mouth and You know, it was so hot. It was flaking off like it just was looking horrible. But anyway, it got enough attention that the the second day I was interviewed about it and talked about it and so that's what made me want to put on the podcast because there's

There just needs to be talk about it. You if we, you didn't know how high the stats were until we started talking about it. You know, and I believe that knowledge is power and we need to, we need to get this out here because it's horrific what these girls are going through and that they really have no hope of getting home.

Yeah. I looked up the stats a few minutes before we sat down for this. And it it's it's alarming. I mean it's it's crazy. Like I w I'll go over some of the stats, but this is one that really, really got me.

you

Says Native Americans make up only 2% of the US population, but nearly 10% of sex trafficking cases in some jur are in some jurisdictions of native communities. So 10% of these cases world countrywide are inside native land. I I guess at least from what this is saying, before we get into our state.

Yeah.

The the bigger ones are Minnesota and Alaska.

besides us because I was like, that's really horrible. Like Alaska and Minnesota are so bad. And then it said, Would you like to look up California stats? And I'm like, yes, I would love that. and then it says California consistently ranks number one or number two nationwide. And that's between every race. Okay. Which so and inside those stats

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

They the native community aligns with the country stats. So basically sixty percent of native traffic trafficking victims are minors under eighteen. Sixty percent.

So sad. And doesn't it start at like 12 to 14 seems to be the goal?

Correct. That's the average entry age. And eighty-two percent of female Native victims are between 12 and 21. So it's very young to adulthood. And that's 82% of the victims. So only 18% of victims are over the age of 21. That's very crazy.

Mm.

Yep. Or under the age of 12.

Or yes, exactly. W that's a good way of yeah, I didn't even think of it that way, Tina. But yeah.

It's true. It's really alarming what is going on.

And of those cases, only twelve percent reach law enforcement.

Does it have a stat for how many actually get out of it?

let's see.

or that are found, because it seems to me like they're finding these girls when it's all done, but they're not alive anymore.

yes, the murder rate is high. If they're found.

Mm-hmm, if they're found.

Yeah. and then it says out of so eighty percent of pimps targeting native women are non native.

Mm-hmm.

But the people who get those people to these pints are

So they're taking their own people and get in giving them away. Which which is very much like the Latin community like Mexican. When you know people are coming across trying to cr come across the border, they never make it, they pay the cartel and they're they disappear. And most of them most of the women are are brought in by another woman.

and selling them off.

Yes.

And that just pisses me off too.

Yeah, th it it does. I we talked about it last week off the air that I was watching something on YouTube that was like a like a crime show on there that they actually had cameras on this girl who was doing it and they ended up they went from the hotel saying they were going to a dance club and went into a truck and they drove straight to the airport.

Wow.

The yeah. But the police obviously caught 'cause they had all on video. But like so this girl basically took like five or six girls, went and dressed all up, all ready to go to a club, and then took them they were taking them to an airport to get on an airplane to never come back ever again. Yeah.

Mmm.

That could happen so easily to anyone. I remember being that young and if somebody said you want to go to a club I would have been like hell yeah I got ready and never made it home. It's insane.

It's I mean look, and I think that this is with anybody, not just female and not just native. They prey on people who and when I say weak, it's for whatever reason. And this goes into what I'm about to say, that the

Poverty i is a vulnerability factor for 90% of Native victims. So if you bring them in going, hey, if you go to the club and and dance with people all night, we'll pay you. You know, however it is that they they're getting these people to say yes.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

It's crazy. And and seventy percent of the perpetrators are known to the victim. So they either know it's family that are selling them off or someone they know. Crazy. It's I I find it look, we we know that as victims of rape, it's most of the time it's the same thing. It's either

I even imagine. I couldn't.

someone they know or family.

Or family. So it it doesn't shock me that that happens. It just goes to show you that like it's it's sad across the board. They're you know, they're vulnerable for whatever reason. And that could be lots of things. family not being in their life, you know, fatherless homes. Not not enough, yeah. You know, just the just that podcast we did.

Not enough education, fatherless homes, poverty.

you know, is insane. So you start adding all those other things. It's it just opens the door for people who are so desperate that they get sucked into something that they think is going to help them and then they just disappear.

I don't know. think if you're 12 to 14, it you're not even thinking it's gonna help you. You're being told, hey, we're gonna go and do this, get in the car and kids will do that. They're told what to do. They do it, you know, or, you know, I could go in, we could go and get some really good food and take you out shopping. That would be enough for a lot of people that are on the reservations because they come from places where food is scarce and money is.

is next to none in their world, you know, so of course it would be beneficial for them to just go until they find out what they're going into.

Well, it's too late by then. Because I was I forgot what I was watching. I watched a movie while I was at my dad's house about human trafficking, but down in yeah. Down g well, it came up because I was talking about what we were gonna talk about. It was called Sound of Freedom? I think. It was it was based on a true story.

Mm-hmm.

No you didn't.

where the people go to find the kids being trafficked.

Yeah, they go down there to to yeah, in Colombia. Yeah. And it's a hundred percent true story. Like the guy really did it. They he went to find a brother and a sister. And he found them and then he ended up staying down there and finding like another hundred and fifty-two kids.

Mm-hmm.

So crazy.

Yeah, he lost his job with the with homeland, a bunch of crazy shit. And his wife was like, Go do it, because if you can believe this, the guy who it's based on had like six kids. And and someone said something to him like, What would you do if it was your daughter? And he that changed him. You know. But a lot of these things that were in that film are in these statistics. Like, you know, obviously,

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

I in that movie it was a woman bringing young kids in to be like models and they were gonna like, we're gonna pay you and we just wanna put you in ads and and then they drove them in a van to a like a trucking container and just threw in. And they were that's it. There was no it there was no build up. They were gone. The whole the hot yeah.

And then when the parents would come back to get them, the whole situation was gone. Like the chairs, the tables, everything that they up and gone. Kids, people, gone.

Yeah. Everything. Yeah.

Yeah, they he he went into this hotel room and it was empty. Like there was nothing in it. Just completely empty. So I I I can see you know, obviously young kids, you're right. It's easier to manipulate that mind. and then as you get a little older, I just think they're taken, right? They're

Mm-hmm.

By gun, by however, by force. They just tie them up, drug them, and then they wake up in another country. And I'm and I'm gonna assume that's what happens to the native girls, right? They're getting taken, they're on a boat or an airplane to another country. They're never I'm assuming, and I and I d you know, I'm gonna say this out of just from watching Hollywood.

You know, they're put in a shipping container with a couple of fans, enough food that they think they can get to whatever they're going. Many of them die in those boxes. Because of heat, panic, you know, whatever.

Mm-hmm.

I'm sure.

So, you know, if you if you are on a boat, you you have no semblance of time, you don't know how many days you've been gone, how you know, whatever. I I couldn't imagine on the other end, you open the doors and here's a native girl who doesn't speak the language that and they're screaming at her. It it's gotta be this the most horrific

Mm-hmm.

thing that they ever have will will ever go through. And then after that it's the I know they drug a lot of because it's the only way that yeah, because it's the only way that you can control them. Yeah. kind of like what was the the movie with about the guy remember his daughter gets taken in he's like

And they keep them drugged. They keep them high. Yeah.

I have a certain a certain kind of things and he ends up going and killing all. you know, that's what they did. They just continuously give you enough drug to you're comprehending things, but you have no fight in you. And

Mm-hmm.

The I I in my head when you started talking about this, my whole thing is how do we find a way to you're not gonna stop it, obviously. I mean I mean you could, you just have to start killing a lot of people.

Hmm and how far does that go because we see where who's you know when when the president loses all these children that were that were Rounded up by ice and loses just Hundreds of children and they're never seen or anything again and nobody's talking about that and that's our president like the one that should know Who is coming in who is being detained who is being taken?

I mean

Where there's you know when when we're not accountable Nobody's accountable. You know, so where do we start with this because it's it's so Rampant

Yeah. Well I mean

It I mean to to be fair, I'll I'll at least not that I'm defending the president, but that's a state issue. You know, ICE is so big and all over the like Becerra, the guy who's running for governor right now, he was in control. He's the one who lost tons of kids in California, and they know it. Matter of fact, during a debate the other night, the guy who's running against him brought it up, and Becerra was like, 'cause there's no answer.

Mm-hmm.

There's there's just look, a lot of these places I'm going to assume because of size, like, you know, Los Angeles County has seven million people in it. it's easy to or at least I'm going to assume easy to take people. Because if you if you have some kind of idea what you're doing, you could have somebody

gotta be.

Assuming you're, you know, in Los Angeles County, San Bernardino County, you could be across the border into in Mexico in less than four hours, five hours tops. Or in Nevada. Right? Where neither one of those going in, they care about. They don't care. If you take a van full of people into Mexico, they don't give a shit. They care when you're taking them out.

Yeah.

Yep.

And the same with and then states are even worse. You know, you could drive over the border to a state and you're gone. You get on an airplane in in Las Vegas and off you go to another country. And it's by the time people have a chance to say it, assuming, like one of the other stats that that I was we were talking about before we got on,

Let's see. Under reporting, only twelve percent of native cases reach police. Twelve. So you're gonna.

reach police federal police or state police or

Reach it just says reach police. This is California, so I would say the local authorities.

Whoever that is.

See, that's just so wrong.

It twelve percent is nothing. If someone said you have a twelve percent chance of falling down the staircase, you're c you're running down the stairs. Because it's so low. You're like, nah, are you kidding? I got 79%. I'm gonna make this all the way to the bottom. So 70, you know, 78% of these cases are never reported. W with that high of a

Mm-mm.

you know, people getting getting taken, it's I I I don't know. I I I wish I could say I understood how to stop it, you know, again, without killing people. And you're gonna that and that goes so deep that you don't know because

Assuming that let's say that it's a native person who's giving it to giving people to a Hispanic person, right? And they're taking them to Mexico and then they're getting on a airplane in Mexico to Central America. There's there's just too many hands in that. Who do you stop? Of course you want to stop the local person, but by the time that it, you know, you'd have to have so much proof. And once they're out of the country, they're gone.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. I don't know that a lot of people are being taken out of California because it seems like we need a lot of these people that are being trafficked right here for You know for sex trafficking like they're they're here

There's just there's no

yeah yeah, you're right. There's correct.

So I'm like, where do they need to go when, you know, we have, yeah, like look at what we've already faced with, with like all the ditty stuff. And then before that Epstein Island, all that before that. And I mean, it's, it's gone on for generations. This isn't anything that's new. It's just, it's just way beyond like anything that people should be quiet about now.

When there's a market when there's a market here. Yeah.

Yeah, Epstein Island.

Right. Well, it it's also 'cause we live in a world where social media as bad as we talk shit about it, there is the good part of it's easy to spread n you know, information quickly. So so now, you know, even though someone might disappear, they're probably more apt to at least know. So, here's here's the truth about

Absolutely.

How many are rescued? So this is the hard truth is that no agency in the US tracks how many Native American girls are rescued from trafficking. there is no official number, but we do have partial data from national native traffic trafficking reports that give us a real realistic picture of rescue rates, and it's far lower than most people expect. So across

All native trafficking cases. That's from California to New York, and from Texas to Canada. That's the whole United States. and Alaska. Only a small fraction ever reach law enforcement. 12% of native trafficking cases result in prosecution. Only 12.

Mmm.

So again, 79% of cases never even result in prosecution. So only 7% of native cases, trafficking survivors receive services from tribal organizations. Only seven, which is absurd to me. It says this indicates that even among those who escape or are found, very few enter formal support systems.

Mm-hmm.

That's look, I would be pissed at fifty percent that only got help. Seven

Yeah.

if we're lucky.

And that's inside their own community. So wow, I I don't I don't get that.

Well, if you look at the fact that it's people that they know and family members that are doing it, of course that, you know, the tribe wouldn't want to get involved in that. That's that's a family situation. And the tribes, the tribal police are way understaffed and way under educated. So it starts well before this, you know.

Well here here's the keep going. so here here's something that you're that you're kind of hitting on, but this is kind of scary as well. Says native survivors are less likely to report trafficking due to seventy-five percent dis the distrust rate within non-tribal police. So the they're even if it happens outside of tribal land, they won't even tell

the police outside of that because they don't trust them. Which is absurd. So I you you would have to assume that there's some distrust inside the tribal police as well. Probably not seventy-five percent, but there's gotta be some, you know, inside that as well.

Mm-hmm.

Well...

Think of it this way, the girl that was raped by seven guys at her college. She, can't remember her name off the top of my head, but she's

Well, right now it's Jane Doe. She does her name's not out in the no no. Yeah.

It's not. Okay, no wonder I'm not. It's not coming to me. She told when something happened to her and nobody believed her and it took, I don't even know how much time for them to get on board and even questioned the guys that are in question for doing this. And that was at a college where people are educated, where you should be safe to be at.

and she went to a party and you know she got hers and nobody went to her aid either. So if they're not doing it in those situations, why would we think they'd ever do them in tribal situations?

Yeah. I I see I have a different view on a lot of things. I think that it assuming that those guys it I I watch too much or look at too much social media where people are like, people are saying that those seven guys are innocent and blah blah blah. Like I don't know, I don't know the case. But they're like, you know, what would you do? Like for me, it's a wood chipper.

There's no excuse. I I believe that there should be a death penalty for rape, but I'm kind of I think I'm the outside looking in. You know what I mean? Like I I I would not put up with it w one iota. It's death and that's it. Cause some people just don't belong here. And once you cross that line, you shouldn't be here anymore. Yeah, you just sorry. Here's

Mm-hmm.

You're part of that percentage of people that shouldn't be here.

Some interesting statistics. If a hundred Native girls are trafficked, 88 will never reach law enforcement, 12 may reach prosecution, seven may receive tribal services, and only a portion of those 12 are actually rescued.

So even the the 12 that are prosecution, it's a small percent portion of those who are actually rescued. Because they're they may prosecute somebody based on proof or you know enough to get them on the actual deed, but they never rescue the person. So based on the ratios, the realistic rescue rate is likely between five and ten percent.

Mm-hmm.

Wow.

It's not an official number, but there's enough data out there to get close to it.

And then if they get the help that they do need, they're never the same. They're never going to be the same.

No. Absolutely. And I think that's with most rape cases. You know, there's like psychological trauma is hard r regardless of what it is. I kinda wanna throw that out there. I don't wanna I don't wanna under you know, represent something that like psychological traumas is horrible. Whether you're beaten, you know, raped,

mentally abused that you you can cause you can't run from it. It's something that that it never goes away. You know? And this is even with people who

Mm-hmm.

their their abuser in some cases happens to disappear themselves however you want to take that they they disappear in jail they go missing people in town get them whatever it is even after that they they have a small percentage that are are okay

Mm-hmm.

Because the the mental trauma never goes away even though your abuser does. Whether they move, they're killed, that whatever it is. The the lasting effects of this are probably unheard of. Like there's no level of it. I my bigger thing is 'cause

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

I I was thinking about it unfortunately on vacation. I'm sitting there watching the local news in South Dakota and knowing that I'm coming home and we're gonna do this show. And I went I even asked both of my parents, like, what do you think? Like, how could this be slowed down? Like I said, it's not gonna stop. You can't

You

Unless you decide to just shoot people on site when it when they're caught, it's gonna be very hard. Because people with money are able to move things very quickly.

Mm-hmm.

So how do you throttle it a little? obviously education I think would help. But and that's with everyone being trafficked,

Also resources for people that living under the poverty levels. You know, we, we cannot allow people to live like this, especially children. Like it should be a priority that we make sure that children are safe and protected and in a place where they don't have to, they don't have to look over their shoulder at who's next to them, which is family. Like that's the craziest thing. Like education.

And they just need resources. I think that that's a good start. We're not even there. We're not even there.

Yeah. A and I think that

Look, I I think that things are different and I'll say probably from the standpoint of when we were young. So when you were young, Gurr, I'll say old enough to drink, 'cause this is kind of where I kinda need to go. Besides obviously young people

The younger, I believe it's easier. Kidnapping someone who's young is easier. It just is. But do you think so w were you taught when you went to bars to like watch your drink and all that w when we were young?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and I was still drugged twice in a club. I was about 18.

At but at what age? Do you remember?

Okay. So we've been doing this for quite a few years then, you know, saying, Hey, be careful, you can get roofied. Do you do you think we were the first generation to to say that? I I I I've never asked, so you know.

Yep.

I would say so. I would say so. I don't think it was a thing when, when, you know, before our generation. But I remember I, you know, I didn't drink. I was not a drinker. You know that it was not my thing. So I would go up to the bar and ask for a soda and they would set it down and my hand was already over it. And, I held onto it and it had to me, it happened at the same place.

Our parents. Yeah.

twice and I didn't know I was like getting really high and and you know roofied because that's what I was and my cousins both times had to put their my arms over their shoulders and drag me out ruined two pairs of shoes I kept them for a long time as proof because I didn't think people believed that would believe that that happened and they drug me out both times thank God brought me home

The first time it happened, I slept for three days and my mom kept coming in and trying to wake me up and she said, I knew you were breathing, but you know, we just let you sleep. We did not know what to do. And then the second time I only, I was like out for a day and a half, but she, at that point, she's like, you're never going back to that club. It was the same club. was not a club I frequented, but it was one that was right around the corner from one. And you know, if somebody wanted to go dancing, I was in.

And I think to myself, I could have ended up anywhere after sleeping on those drugs for three days. I could have been, I could have been anywhere on this earth.

So I'm gonna give you some statistics that unfortunately California doesn't separate natives from r every other race. Okay. But let's just say according to the attorney general in 2026, 1196 victims have been rescued. So

other races.

But it doesn't say that it doesn't say that's scary. But even so, you're talking about one thousand people had been rescued. So the number must be massive.

1196 out of how many?

Yeah.

So okay, here we go. I I did find it. since 2007, trafficking cases identified say there was about thirty-four thousand victims.

And only eleven twelve hundred were rescued. Yeah, that's that is

That's just not acceptable.

No, it's not even it's not even close. That percentage is minuscule. It's probably under one percent.

Yeah, I would agree with that.

That's so it's a small fraction of again and and out of those they think the native rescue estimates is about five to ten percent. People are never coming home. That's that's I mean I I d I like I said, I I I don't know how do you maybe you make the

Mm-hmm.

the prosecution just very steep. Like life in prison if you're caught. Death would be better, but let's just say yeah. I well, like I said, I I think that you should just be dragged in the street and shot in front of everybody. It would solve problems. But I'm an extremist when it comes to that. So let's just say life in prison. To be, you know, d to to at least have something that

Yeah.

death penalty, please.

You

to be politically acceptable.

That most people could live with. You know what I mean? I think a lot of people who Yeah, I mean, I yeah, wood chippers. We just need to giant wood chippers and just throw people in as it happens. Right into the ocean. Feed the fish. To be a one chum the ocean, baby. All day long. I mean, I wouldn't go swimming, I can tell you that, but

Yeah, until it's their kid, until it's their kid.

Chum the... Chum the ocean.

Yeah, it just we're we're at a point where there's no i this is unacceptable on on such a level that you know across the board every race, but I this is if only five between five and ten percent are coming home, so we'll say seven, because that's a nice round figure somewhere in the center. Well well, we know that only twelve percent are are even talked about.

Right?

Yes.

Out of how many numbers though, the numbers are so high.

So we we're talking a huge amount. So even even if we say out of those thirty-four thousand identified, because that's also a problem. Some that's only the ones that they know about. And let's say that the statistics are the same across the board or close, and 75% are unreported. That number now becomes

A hundred thousand people.

And and and out of that, you're still talking twelve hundred people. That's like point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero come home. It's under one percent. I I I don't know. I I've thought about it and I and I don't know with the exception of harsher penalties for the people that are caught here.

Mm-hmm.

I I don't know.

There's there's so many things education Help you know having having resources so that even though they're living well below Poverty rates they they have someplace that they could go to get their needs met. I think we need to start self policing There's this is such an overwhelmingly high amount of people that are being abused that

Everybody needs to be involved. Everybody needs to have a voice. Everybody needs to when they see something say something. There just needs to be there just needs to be more being done. You know, I go to Vegas or I went to Pittsburgh. I was in those airports just recently and both of them have have.

things in the stalls and on the walls that say if you're being sex trafficked call this number and you know like if you get asked can I use your cell phone let them use your cell phone help them out stay with them don't let them go out until until somebody comes in to get them and rescue them there's there's so many things that we just need to stop and get involved in because women are women and children are children like

Right.

Don't you, doesn't everybody remember being a child and being innocent and needing help and, and, you know, just having people that they could go to that they trusted. Like what happened to this world that kids don't have that. If my niece came to me with anything or my nephew, I'm right there. I have been called at five o'clock in the morning. Thea, can you come now? I need you here. I get up and I go like I'm there. Why?

Why is a community are we letting these kids slip through our fingertips? I and and it was so I'm not political. You know that I don't I don't want any part of it I don't have political voices in my heart to share I I just don't I I'm not that person but this is is enough is enough is enough like I mean You know, I went when I had my daughter. I kept her with me. I made sure she was with me. I remember

Yeah, it's

When when my my cousins were little and we took them to the west or to the East Coast and and my cousin had twins She couldn't hold on to both of them. They were young well one kept his damn hand in my pocket because first of all he was afraid and he didn't want you know, it's so busy in and Just congested in New York that he was afraid that we he would lose us. So he stuck his hand in my pocket I knew he was right there with me

No matter what I had in my hands. Like if you're not aware of what your kids are doing when you're with them, especially, and you can lose them like that, like you need to check yourself. And if you're not with them, they need to be with people that you could trust, not, not people that, that will just go and do these just foul things to them. I mean,

I was molested as a child. It happened to be a family member. My parents were all over us all the time and kept everybody here with them so that they were safe. We were one of the few homes growing up where there was not abuse going on in the home. Like I could count all of my friends and they all were sexually abused. Why, why is it that this is still going on? You know, we just, have to stop the cycle.

people need to get help if they're if they're if they've got issues where they want to be with children like there should be resources for that I don't know but I'm looking I was looking at the powwow and I was watching everything and everybody and the way a child was was being dragged off and you know or

I was looking at the fences where the gate openings were, making sure that none of the kids that were there were kids that I knew shouldn't be walking out that gate. Like, I was hyper-vigilant in watching, and I am anyway. I pay attention to my surroundings when it comes to family and the kids and stuff. And I just don't know. We all need to get involved.

There needs to be support for people when they do speak up and they do say something's happening. They need to be believed.

And and I think that and I'll give you at least the the man part of this. You need to stop people. If I was watching some video where they were doing like a fake kidnapping on real streets, like almost nobody's tried to stop it. They just watched people. Yeah. And and it's funny because the ones who do try

Mm-hmm.

I've seen that. I've seen that.

The people who are d doing the the exercise scream very quickly. Because like there was I saw one where the guy just belted the dude, like throttled him. And he was like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's we're we're doing a TV show, like showing this. And he's and then they interviewed him and he's like, Look, like I thought someone was getting kidnapped. I'm gonna, you know, do whatever I can to stop it. I think we as a population.

need to do that if you think yeah because like here's the thing at the end of the day I think most police you know bell curve would go yeah I understand you know even if you're wrong you know it's like prove it if your kid now look

and have zero tolerance.

Yeah.

Yes.

Are there kids that will use that against their parents? Probably. Mostly teenagers, somewhere in that ballpark. But at the end of the day, stop what's happening. I would rather clear it up with somebody and go, hey, you know, let's let's just call the police and get this taken care of and and worry about it afterwards. Because it's we're to a point now where.

Mm-hmm.

These numbers are staggering. I I didn't I didn't know. I didn't realize that there's such a such a large number. These I mean thirty-four thousand people.

Yeah.

And and again, if we're going on the you know, let's say let's say for all races it's twenty five percent reporting. That that's a massive amount of people who are never ever talked about ever again. They just go, they're a missing person. This

And you want to hear the weirdest part is like I've been wanting to do this, but I was when putting on the red paint, I was like, okay, I could be starting a problem within my tribe because we don't talk about this. And I didn't know how the the elders were going to react or or the, the chiefs of our tribe because there's more than one and

Sure.

You know, I went to my dad and my dad asked him and my dad said I'm gonna tell you what I always tell you. You don't need permission to do what's in your heart. Do what's in your heart. If that's where you need to be, I will always back you up. And you know, thankfully he said that because I was like, okay, well, if, if I'm the one that always gets, you know, shit if for doing something because I do things that don't make everybody happy. But when my dad says I got you or I'm with you or

Right.

do you know do what's in your heart like I'm like okay I'm doing it like get ready dad this could this could be a problem

Well yeah, because but there's a lot to that, right? And and if more people did that, there'd be more people talking and saying something and and holding all the people that it's reported to accountable. Because like let's say let's say people are almost kidnapped and that they're s they're stopped.

Yeah.

Yes, yes.

How many people go to the the person who's trying to do it and they're like, well, there's no way he's guilty. And then, you know, there's too everyone has to be ca accountable. a as well as victims. And I'm gonna be and I'll look, there's a lot of women that

Have said things like this guy raped me and five years later it wasn't true. But it's a small percentage. It it is. It's I mean, it's high, but it's not what you would think. It's not like it's like, you know, fifteen percent or maybe even lower. All parties have to be vetted.

It wasn't true.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

And and the if the guy it the perpetrator is guilty, they need to go to prison. There should be no slap on the wrist. There should be no, his dad's a senator, there's been his dad's rich, he can get him off. Sorry. There has to be a flat thing across the board.

Guilty is guilty and you need to go away. Or like my extreme views, you need to just not be here anymore. You you're

Mm-hmm and in tribal customs like you're only as Strong as your weakest link they didn't put up with this stuff like if you were old and you couldn't make the trek guess what you stayed and Fended for yourself until life ended it for you same thing with people that were There were deviant like they didn't keep them in the tribe They they outcast them and they they had to figure it out for themselves

You were shunned away. Yeah.

Yeah.

Like we're so big on nursing pathetic individuals now that we've lost sight of what is and what is tolerated and what should be tolerated and what should not. Like we've blurred lines and

Yep. Yeah. And and I think that in most tribals, in most tribal communities, so that's pick a country. Because there's lots of tribal, you know, to this day. But like and I'm talking about even in the past. So all what you all of what you just said has started since man was man.

Yes.

If if you did something wrong within the your tribal community, they either killed you, which way, way back, that's the first thing they did. And as and as they got better, they shunned you out to fend for yourself. And if you died, they were like, it is what it is.

And the women would be the one to end it for you The women would be the one no, you're gonna you're coming after my girls my my family my They you know in my tribe. They all wore these big old like knives on their belts like long-ass knives They didn't put up with shit. They they defended themselves Completely and totally and and it was encouraged

Yeah.

It was It was just part of the day to day the women took care, know The men were out hunting and doing whatever they had to do. The women were the badasses that would literally just Handle things Yes, they kept the whole tribe going, you know with

They would keep the sus the house going. Yeah, it's right. Well and I mean the house as in their own community. The community was protected from within. So if something bad happened, they would get rid of individuals. And then

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

And it was expected.

Correct. And I think that that's where we're missing the point in today's society along the board. Hold people accountable. We we can't have this number of human beings missing at any particular time. It it's I I don't get it. I I really don't. I I I can't even comprehend how people go missing and it's like I would hunt people down and

Mm-hmm.

Go crazy. I would be that kind of person. I would find out and I would do ho horrible, horrible things for my child. I mean, and my son is 23. And I if I found out something happened to him, I would go on a murder streak. Yeah, and because it like if my son was killed by somebody and I I would

You would lose your shit, yeah.

Hunt people down because then my my care in the world would stop. I wouldn't care about myself anymore and I would be about getting justice. Get justice for these people who are missing. We have to find a way.

Mm-hmm.

And another thing is as people, as a family, if you see a kid that's on their own most of the time and doesn't have any guidance or doesn't have anybody there for them, step in. I can't tell you how many times we've had people in this house that just didn't have the support they needed. We've always done that. There's not enough people to do that.

good people need to just take a look around and see where they can help and do the best they can because these kids are not surviving this.

A hundred percent. It it's it's tragic that young people are losing their lives at this rate.

For sex. For sex for deviant people that shouldn't be on this earth anyway.

Yeah. Yeah, it and right. And that's generally what it is. I know there is probably a small percentage that's probably I and I and again I'm gonna maybe I'm talking out of line, but I know certain races are sold literally into slavery, like old school slavery, where you're it's not about sex, it's about doing things for the family.

That's how I see it.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

So e either way it's it's incredibly fucking wrong. my thing is if you're having sex with a child at all, you should be shot. There's there is no there's no if, ands, or buts. There should be I I just saw something today that and it wasn't a sex case, but it was a murder case. Some guy's about to get out of prison who killed a five-year-old.

Mm-hmm.

He's about to get out of jail, which is fucking beyond me. And I don't even know how he survived prison. If I was the father, I'd be outside waiting and I'd shoot him in the face. It would it wouldn't even be I and I would go in with a smile on my face on the way back in. I'd be like, got him. All done. I don't know if you've ever seen the case of the guy in Louisiana who was at the phone.

Yeah.

When the guy was being brought in off the airplane, they extradited him back to Louisiana. He shot him in the airport. You know. justice. Some these people need some kind of justice. We need to we need to educate, but we also need to open our eyes. And if you see something, make sure that somebody knows.

Mm-mm.

Say something, help. Guard them. Yeah. Yep.

Yeah. Stop being afraid. Stop being afraid to help other people. I'd rather be wrong and and get pointed and go, he did this. Yeah, you're right. I this is what I saw. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But if you're right, you save someone's life. You know. I I'd I'd rather be wrong ninety percent of the time and get a ten percent rate of fixing it. You know.

Absolutely.

I like I said, I I I don't know what else to say. I I wish I had some kind of answer. but I think that we've kind of hit the right one. people need to speak up and change change the culture of whatever tribe you're in, whether it's a native tribe, you know, or just your tr your community.

Mm-hmm.

You know, I I just I can't see we have too many people in California. It's it's too easy to get lost. speak up. I mean change change something because we're we're missing way too many people to we shouldn't we shouldn't have to duck do this show. That's I think that's the bigger thing. You know. And and I know that a lot of people

talk about like crime is worse now than it was forty years ago. And and I question that because I just think that, you know, we have a twenty four hour news cycle and social media and it's easier to push the envelope. I I think I think kidnappings and that kind of stuff was big before. But I do believe that this part now is much larger. I think, you know, we were always afraid of getting kidnapped and killed.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Not so the sex trafficking.

Right, when we were young. not so yeah. So now it's they've got to it it's a whole other level of it's just a whole other level. I I don't know.

Mm-hmm.

So, you know, I'm glad you brought it up and and like I said, it was kind of its own weird thing that, you know, as I knew we were gonna do this, I'm sitting in a very heavy native community in Rapid City, South Dakota. and to see this on the regular and it was on the local news.

Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

So like it which would be like, you know, NBC here. It was their affiliate. And that was one of the lead stories, which was kind of nice to see. Like, hey, this person's missing. It helped find them. and and it's a pretty big city, you know, rapid city where I was has like ninety four thousand people, which is close to the city I live in now. So it

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I I just wish that we would as human beings stop this. However you have to. I'd rather the abuser go missing than the child. And I know that that's a horrible thing to say. No, not really, but I I'm trying I'm I'm trying to be nigh I'm I'm trying to be human. I I just don't give a shit. If if someone's abusing your child, bury them in the backyard. More power. Throw them in the ocean. Fish need food too.

Mm-hmm.

Is it though? Not really. Come on now. Right? There you go.

You know, it just it's it's

People who can't fight back just piss me off. It it makes me mad that people, you know, these monsters, and that's what they are. These people are monsters that prey on the weak and prey on the less fortunate. So any last words before we say goodbye?

Just look at what is going on around you and help where you can. Start there. Just start there.

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