Summary

Michelle Haimowitz, the executive director of Holy Ground PBC, discusses their mission to promote generational change and disrupt systems that suppress at-risk populations, specifically women and children. The program is a two to four-year program that focuses on building trust and creating generational change. They provide direct client care and have on-site resources such as a community suite and an afterschool program called the Learning Tree. The program addresses generational trauma and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) through ACE-informed counseling and therapy. Michelle shares success stories of clients who have gained confidence, achieved academic success, and secured stable housing. Holy Ground PBC is privately funded through grants, community partnerships, and generous donors. The conversation covers topics such as post-case management, affordable housing, dual diagnosis, client-centered approach, good fit, language and vocabulary, education, housing crisis, and ways to help.

Takeaways

• Holy Ground PBC promotes generational change and disrupts systems that suppress at-risk populations.
• They provide direct client care and have on-site resources such as a community suite and an afterschool program called the Learning Tree.
• The program addresses generational trauma and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) through ACE-informed counseling and therapy.
• Holy Ground PBC is privately funded through grants, community partnerships, and generous donors. Post-case management is provided to clients leaving the program to ensure sustainability and connect them with resources.
• Affordable housing is a challenge to obtain, but some clients have successfully secured Section 8 housing.
• The program focuses on client-centered approach and finding a good fit for both the client and the program.
• Language and vocabulary are important in treating individuals with respect and avoiding stigmatization.
• Education is a key factor in expanding opportunities for unhoused individuals.
• The housing crisis in Florida is a major obstacle for individuals and families.
• Ways to help include being empathetic, treating unhoused individuals with respect, and getting involved in programs and organizations that support them.

Titles

• Success Stories of Empowered Clients
• Addressing Generational Trauma and ACEs The Housing Crisis in Florida
• Ways to Help Unhoused Individuals

Keywords

Holy Ground PBC, generational change, at-risk populations, direct client care, community suite, Learning Tree, generational trauma, ACEs, ACE-informed counseling, therapy, success stories, stable housing, grants, community partnerships, donors, post-case management, affordable housing, dual diagnosis, client-centered approach, good fit, language and vocabulary, education, housing crisis, ways to help

Hey everyone, welcome to the second

episode of the Bloom Scrolling Podcast.

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We appreciate all your support so far.

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We're super excited to continue doing this

with y 'all.

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Today we're going to be interviewing

Michelle Hamowitz.

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She's the executive director of Holy

Ground PBC.

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Their mission is to promote generational

change and disrupt systems that suppress

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at -risk populations, which sounds super

badass.

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So thanks again for tuning in and we hope

you enjoy the episode.

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Here you go.

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Love like we're done

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Let's stay awake under the stars Pretend

the world is ours And love like we're

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dying

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I actually don't know very much at all.

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What I do know is that your program's in

Riviera Beach, which I didn't know, which

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is really cool because I used to live in

Riviera Beach and I know like that kind of

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demographic.

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So basically how I want to start is who

are you and what do you do?

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Okay, so I'm Michelle Hamowitz and I'm

currently the executive director of Holy

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Ground PBC.

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Our biggest goals are to promote

generational change and disrupt the

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systems that suppress our most at -risk

populations, specifically women and

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children.

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How did you get started in this work?

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Social work or this job particularly?

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Yeah, like what were you doing before?

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And then how did that lead you to what

you're doing right now?

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So, um...

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I don't know, my dad always said I wanted

to save the world when I was a kid.

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And while that might not be in my current

purview, I've always really loved social

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work and helping others.

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So I went to Florida State, got my

master's degree in social work, did some

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internships internationally, came home,

found a job in Broward serving veterans

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experiencing homelessness.

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I was really struggling, you know, just.

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I felt like maybe social work wasn't for

me.

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I felt out of touch and just burnt out, I

guess, you know?

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And my husband actually found this job for

me because he was sick of me coming home

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from work, just feeling so lost.

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And he was like, you know, I don't know if

you're qualified, but give it a shot.

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I applied.

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I got an interview and I just knew from

from then on, it was going to be amazing.

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It just felt like family.

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authentic and true.

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And I think those are really important

qualities in the job.

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So that's kind of how I found this and the

rest was history.

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That's amazing.

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That's super cool.

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Where, why didn't I know you like five

years ago when I was a homeless veteran?

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Are you connected?

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Do you have percentage?

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No, I was national guard.

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And like I tried to fight it a little bit

and then I just kind of gave up.

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But if you ever want any resources, I've

got a guy who is amazing.

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He can really help if you're interested.

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Hell, yeah.

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That's super cool.

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I guess we could probably link that stuff

to in the show notes for anybody else that

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is experienced.

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Yeah, any veterans experience in homeless

veterans in general needing any type of

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resources.

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It's a breeze to try to get veterans

percentages, money from the government,

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education, housing, subsidized housing.

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Home ownership programs, all types of

stuff.

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So if you've got anyone, you know, that's

not my current situation, but I can

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definitely help connect you with somebody

who could help.

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Yeah, we'll put it out there.

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Is that countrywide help or just in

Florida?

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Yeah, I don't see why not.

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It might not be it.

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I may not know all the resources

countrywide, but this is stuff that is

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pretty synonymous on the federal level,

especially with like.

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voucher housing vouchers and disability

connections.

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So yeah.

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Cool.

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I wanted to ask too, how direct is your

client care?

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Like how hands on are you with the women

that come through your program?

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Well, they live here.

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We have eight units here on this campus

that I'm on right now, which one of the

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apartments is used as our community suite.

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So our clients can come in if they need

some quiet.

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you know, place to apply for a job or have

an interview or meet with our case

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manager.

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We make it very welcoming in this

community suite so they can feel

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comfortable coming in anytime.

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We have like a pantry and a fridge and you

know, a lot of donations often we'll put

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out.

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And if someone wants the code to get

inside, they'll come inside, they'll do

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what they need and leave.

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So very direct, I guess.

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That's cool.

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What does your day to day look like?

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Oh goodness, I feel like it's so

different.

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And social work in general, it's always

such a different day.

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I think that's why I love it so much and

really just bringing it down to the

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mission.

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But I guess a typical day, a couple

different things, a lot of networking,

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going out and meeting community partners.

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Every week for the past three weeks, we've

had site visits every Friday.

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So for people who are interested in our

program, who want to come visit us.

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We'll set it up so they can meet with our

case manager and just our staff in

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general.

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So those are some days, professional

lunches, which is strange to me as well.

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It's very new.

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Timesheets, a lot of timesheets, hours,

signing off checks and paperwork.

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I really do miss the, I guess the case

management portion of it because I've kind

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of been taken away from that a little bit

because I have to have.

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you know, like 90 foot view from above,

like someone has to be steering the ship.

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A lot of pressure on that side over there

steering the ship as well.

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So there are definitely days where I miss

case management, just sitting down with a

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client, helping them figure out what they

need and what direction they want to go

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in.

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So really just every day is different,

truly.

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That's really cool.

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I'm looking at swapping to social work

major too, for that same reason.

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I work with...

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direct clients to him as a detox counselor

at Harmony.

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So just right in there and in acute detox,

like you never know what's going to

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happen.

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Like, seriously.

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Yeah, it can get a little wild.

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Yeah.

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So being in the being in the field, I

learned that like social work is probably

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the best way to lean to, you know, because

that opens so many different avenues, you

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know, like you're doing veterans.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So that's kind of the goal there.

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And we need more men.

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We do.

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I'm few and far between, I've noticed.

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You are.

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I don't know why that is.

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Are we out of touch?

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I don't know the reason.

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In the overview, you were talking about

the learning tree and how a lot of the

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women are single mothers and they have

children.

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Can you talk about that and how your

program addresses generational trauma?

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Okay, so those are big, giant questions.

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I'll kind of give you a back.

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of our program and I'll don't even get

distracted.

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I'm gonna try to get into the learning

tree too.

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So here's the spiel.

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So basically we are a two to four year

program which is quite different in the

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community.

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Most programs are about 90 days or three

months.

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And what we found is there's a lot of

turnaround.

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It's like a revolving door.

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You have clients come in, they get

services, they leave and they come right

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back.

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They're right back on the doorstep needing

just as much help or if not more than they

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needed before.

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So we've really found it takes a

significant time not only to build trust,

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but to create generational change as you

can imagine.

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So like I said, it's a two to four year

program.

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All of our women, all of our moms are

required to either work or go to school.

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I tell everybody progress is not linear.

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It does not happen in a straight line and

everyone's journey is different.

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And my whole point is, is if you leave

this program better than you came here,

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I'm happy.

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You know, if you're, if we want you to

leave here and not have to go to another

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program, depend on another community

resource, we want you to be independent

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and sustainable.

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And we want the same for your kids.

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And so on our other campus, the Learning

Tree, we have, just like we have a

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community suite here, one of our

apartments over at our WALS campus is used

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as the Learning Tree.

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It's an afterschool program, it's an

onsite tutoring center, and it's

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phenomenal.

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It's run by two volunteers, Pat and

Ginger.

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These girls like PB and J, I swear.

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They're amazing.

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When I first got this job, I thought they

were paid employees because they were here

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so much.

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So dedication, obvious.

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But anyway, so the kids will come in and

they run a program every Tuesdays and

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Thursdays.

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During the summer, it's more, they do a

lot of excursions, extracurriculars.

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And what is so cool about the Learning

Tree is that it's not just, yes, it's...

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an on -site tutoring center.

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They provide one -on -one attention to the

kids.

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They'll help parents understand the report

cards.

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They'll call teachers if they're finding

that a student needs a little extra push

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in a certain way.

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But not only that, they teach the children

emotional intelligence and emotional

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understanding, which is like far and few

between, I feel.

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And to learn that from such a young age,

like that's spectacular.

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So they have what's called the learning

tree.

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And every time that a child does something

nice or empathetic or encourages another

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student to do that, they get to put their

name on the learning tree.

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It's very exciting for them as well.

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And they do all kinds of stuff.

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They plant gardens, they learn to cook

from the food that they've grown, and it's

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just wrap around all around a program to

really...

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just fill all the gaps.

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You know, it's hard to be a single mom.

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It's hard to be a parent in general.

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And especially now with the housing

crisis, to be a single mom on one salary,

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trying to work, trying to go to school,

trying to better your life.

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You know, it can sometimes be hard to give

your kids all the stuff they need.

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So these two volunteers come in and they

really provide those extracurriculars.

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I mean, we have kids who even on off days,

they're crying.

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If Pat and Ginger are there, like maybe

even cleaning the learning tree, they're

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like.

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crying to go over there.

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It's ridiculous.

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It's adorable.

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So we really are promoting generational

change.

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And a big focus of ours is actually ACEs,

which are adverse childhood experiences.

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And many of our clients, many of our moms

come in.

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It's an amount of 10.

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You can get 10 ACEs.

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Most of our moms come upwards of six.

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And adverse childhood experiences can

negatively affect your ability to function

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in everyday life in the future.

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Some things that might have been effective

as a child, maybe some type of

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manipulation to get survival needs, which

was effective at the time, is no longer

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effective in everyday life as a parent, as

an employee, as a student, whatever it

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might be.

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And so our big goal is to help our clients

understand ACEs, understand their trauma.

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And once you can look at it with a clear

view, it's pretty incredible what can

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happen.

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You know, you're able to recognize the

triggers, you're able to recognize the

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traumas and they're able to avoid doing it

or avoid teaching that to their children.

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You know what I mean?

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So we have ACE informed counseling.

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So our moms are required to attend therapy

sessions twice a month.

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And if I could suggest anything to

everybody on this planet, it would be

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therapy.

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I don't know if you all are in therapy,

but if you're not, you should be.

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Even if, you know,

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People are like, well, I'm not sad or

nothing's wrong.

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And I'm like, that's not, that's not what

it's about.

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Like therapy is helping you to understand

yourself.

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And it's, it's like life coaching.

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My therapist would kill me for calling it

that, but I'm telling you like therapy is

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so important to understand your life, to

understand your reaction, to understand

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everything.

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Things that I thought were intrinsic or

things that I thought were biological for

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my behavior.

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In fact, I realized was simply something

that I learned.

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Um, so I truly believe that.

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Ace informed counseling, trauma informed

counseling are crucial for our residents

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of this program.

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We're really big believers in a feedback

loop.

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We're always asking for feedback from our

clients.

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We want to make sure that this program is

working for them.

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I am not a professional in their lives.

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They are.

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So I always make sure to ask what's

working or what's not working.

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And the one response that is consistent

across the board is Ms.

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Monique and her counseling sessions.

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We've had clients leave the program asking

to continue their therapy.

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So really effective and really good stuff.

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That's so cool.

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I like to see that the trauma -informed

care is going on everywhere.

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I know that that's something we learned is

really important to focus on and not even

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up until the last couple of years, which

is wild.

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But I just want to point out the crazy

parallel is the place that I'm going is a

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two to four month, not year, two to four

month women's facility where it's a

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treatment center for substance use

disorder, but their kids can live in

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there.

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up to age 12.

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And there's like nothing right.

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There's nothing else like that in this

state at least.

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So I'm really, really excited.

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And it's cool to hear that we're kind of

doing something similar, you know, helping

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single moms.

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Yeah, but like so often overlooked and so

many so under resourced.

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Is that a little word?

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I don't know.

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But yeah, yeah.

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Under resourced.

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Under resourced.

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Yeah.

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So I just think that's really cool.

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We're kind of

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going down the same avenue?

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It was really hard for me to come from

working with veterans to single moms.

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It was shocking to me the limited

resources available.

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I had top metrics at my last position in

regards to getting our veterans housed,

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connected with services and financial

assistance.

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And it's shocking to me how I've come from

that environment into this environment

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where I mean, I'm not sure.

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you know, how much you know, obviously

you're a veteran, so I hope you do know,

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but HUD -VASH, which is a section eight

program, so for affordable housing, it was

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a breeze.

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You know, you'd advocate for your veteran,

you'd get them into HUD -VASH, they'd have

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subsidized housing, and it was wonderful.

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I come here and you're thrown into the

lottery.

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There's, that's it, and it's crazy.

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I wish I knew the math behind it, like

what percentage of people who join the

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waiting list actually get selected.

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It is so rare.

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And you'd think that single mothers and

children would be at the top of the list,

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but it's shocking to me that there's not a

specific designated program like there

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would be for veterans, for our mothers,

you know, who are birthing the next

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generation.

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You know, how are we not providing them

with the best possible resources to create

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the

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the best generation, the best children

that we could possibly be.

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I mean, to think of the learning tree,

right?

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Who we are developing with our parents as

a team, emotionally intelligent children.

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I'm sure you guys have seen like, well,

maybe not, I don't know, maybe it's my

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TikTok, but these TikToks of these young

kids coming out and they're like

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explaining their emotions or how they feel

as their dad is like yelling at them for

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something.

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And I'm looking at this and I'm like,

what?

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That's amazing.

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That is a skill that will take you so far

in life, like to be able to, instead of

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react, to think and then have a reaction.

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You know, it's, it's not a reaction, you

know, it's thought and it's planned and,

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and that all comes from emotional

intelligence and raising smart, strong,

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you know, young adults.

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This is more pieces.

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Wait, what was that?

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I just think there'd be more resources.

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It would only benefit everybody to have

that taxpayer dollars.

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I mean, everything.

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I've always had the thought that, and

maybe this is a little farfetched because

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I don't love relying on the government,

but shouldn't it be a responsibility of

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our education system to teach emotional

intelligence?

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And I've always wondered why that's not a

thing.

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I'm telling you, a couple years it will

be.

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People are, I think this new generation,

this Gen Z and all these new generations

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are very in touch with emotions and like

what life is all about.

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And so I really think that, I think we'll

see that soon.

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And I hope so.

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Because it's, that's crucial.

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You know, fingers crossed.

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Do you have any client stories?

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Any success stories?

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Oh yeah.

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Absolutely.

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It's my favorite part.

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Like I said, success is not linear.

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It doesn't happen in a straight line.

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We have clients who have come into this

program from very different circumstances.

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They take very different paths.

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So I'll give you an example.

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I know she wouldn't mind me sharing her

name, so I am gonna share her name.

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Her name is Nyree, and she is amazing.

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She came into this program, not a lot of

direction, very little confidence, self

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-reported, very little confidence.

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And came to this program just not really

knowing what to do.

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She was driving illegally, no driver's

license, no insurance, all that good

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stuff.

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And we were like, right, okay, you need to

get your driver's license.

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We can't be letting you drive around

illegally.

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It's a risk to you, risk to your children,

risk to the environment, whatever.

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She got her driver's license after a lot

of work and here was a level up.

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So she got her driver's license, she had

this little level up.

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And it's this point where she's never

gonna look back at that.

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She's got her driver's license, she

secured it and her confidence took this

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boost.

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And...

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Slowly but surely, wins like this continue

to happen.

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And now we've got a client who is, who has

taken a culinary class, has now been

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placed in an upscale, why do I always

forget the name of this, upscale, what are

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those fancy neighborhoods called?

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Why can't I think of one of those fancy

neighborhoods?

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She's at an upscale restaurant, absolutely

killing the game.

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And not only that,

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She's now been offered board of director

roles.

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She has spoken at events and she's now an

advocate for clients like her who have

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been nervous about utilizing, you know,

programs like ours.

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We had a referral from her that emailed us

and was like, you know, I've seen Nyree

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and I was afraid to do something like

this, but after seeing her huge successes,

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I want a piece of that.

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And that's pretty incredible.

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And that's pretty moving.

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And then we've had clients who, um, client

came in, no GED, really wasn't sure what

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she wanted to do, got her GED, got her

medical assistance certification, and is

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now trying to find a vocation in, or a job

in medical assistance.

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And it's just, it's incredible to watch

these wins and these clients who have come

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from a very, a place of very little

confidence to knowing that they are

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hustling, they are killing the game.

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They are.

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opening doors, running through them,

slamming them shut behind them.

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And I swear to God, they are never looking

back.

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These clients are just, it's like a level

up.

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I don't know.

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Like you can't ever go back.

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We have a client who came in and was

really nervous about asking about going to

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school.

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And it's the same thing I said to y 'all.

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Like she knows she has to pay rent and,

and, you know, go to work and all.

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And she was really nervous to talk to us

about possibly doing something part time

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so that she could go to school part time.

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And I just was like, this is perfect.

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You're amazing.

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Like, don't be nervous to ask for these

things.

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That's what this program is for.

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And again, as long as you leave this

program better than you ended up, better

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than you arrived here, I am happy.

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We've had clients who come from

experiencing homelessness to leaving our

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program and becoming homeowners.

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We have children who have gone from

scoring below academic standard to

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achieving honor roll.

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It's, I mean, it's proofs in the pudding,

you know?

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I mean, it's pretty incredible.

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So yeah, those are some of the wins and I

could go probably on and on, but those are

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just a quick snippet of them.

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What does funding look like?

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If I think of any more, I reserve the

right to yell them in.

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Yeah, definitely.

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Please.

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Yeah, it's super gratifying.

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I know the feeling.

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So it's really exciting to see the

progress and it takes as long as it takes,

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you know, meet them where they're at.

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It takes as long as it takes.

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Yup.

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That's right.

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Even baby steps is like better, better

than anything else.

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So.

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Okay.

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Can we just talk about how getting your

documents in on time is a huge win?

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Paying rent is a huge win.

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Communicating what you want is a huge win.

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Are clients learning to advocate for

themselves?

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We have a client who, she was on her mom's

food stamps, moved into our program, so

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she has to have her own case.

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Really nervous to go to the DMV and talk

to them about her case.

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And our case manager was like, look them

in the eye and speak boldly and advocate

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for yourself.

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And she did, she got her own case.

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And it might seem simple to you or I or to

someone who's looking this on the outside,

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but this is a girl who couldn't make eye

contact.

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She couldn't speak above a whisper.

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and she was in the line of the DMV for

hours, looked them in the face and

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advocated for her case.

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Now, I'm only wondering, with this small

win, how many more times is this gonna

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happen for her?

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Where she realizes it's in her best

interest to advocate for herself, to be

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bold, to speak up and advocate.

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And so these small wins are just simply

growing and growing to develop someone who

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is confident.

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assured and just absolutely ready to take

on life.

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You know, that's, it's the small things

that are huge.

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That's good stuff.

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That's good stuff right there.

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Thank you.

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I love that.

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I love the excitement as you're sharing

that.

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Like I can tell that you're truly

passionate.

445

Wait, sorry.

446

No, I'm sorry.

447

This guy, one of our community partners

had come in to do a site visit and I just

448

like,

449

I don't know, I get on a roll.

450

I get so hyped about these women and just

like what they do.

451

And he's like, girl, preach it.

452

You sound like you're preaching.

453

And I was like, God, I just get, I get so

hyped about just what we've got going on

454

here.

455

And I truly believe in the work that we're

doing, you know, give me one second.

456

I have to turn the AC thing off.

457

It's really loud.

458

I was asking before, but what does the

funding look like?

459

What do you mean?

460

Like where do our funders come from?

461

Yeah, like, um,

462

Do you have a foundation behind you?

463

What's happening there?

464

I don't I don't know if I know what I'm

talking about, but I'm just going to roll

465

with it.

466

I'll kind of tell you how it works.

467

So we are not government funded.

468

While I do very much believe in government

funding and the programs that they have,

469

such as Housing First, which basically

means that no matter your circumstances,

470

no matter if you have a job, if you have

substance use issues, whatever it is,

471

Housing First.

472

get you into housing, everything else kind

of falls into place after that.

473

And while that's an incredible program, we

all have our niche.

474

And so because we're not government

funded, we're able to be a little bit more

475

flexible.

476

Like for example, certain programs and

government funding have to do certain

477

things or accept certain clientele.

478

We can be very flexible with.

479

what we do because we're not stuck to the

same type of rules as government funding

480

would be.

481

So we're privately funded.

482

We have community partners.

483

So we apply for grants in the community.

484

That's why we do some of the site visits.

485

We'll have grantors, which really we

should call them community partners, are

486

coming in to view our program to see if

it's worth funding, basically, and to see

487

if it's a good community partnership.

488

And so we'll get grants through that.

489

And then we have very generous donors who

are willing to take their money and

490

contribute it to our program.

491

We also have a bi -monthly giving program

for those in the community who maybe just

492

want to send like small donations on a bi

-monthly basis.

493

We'll send you a little no card or remind

you to do it and stuff like that.

494

So we have a lot of different avenues of

funding.

495

We also have a partnership with the court

system for

496

Reunification Family Treatment Court.

497

Basically, we have families who are at

reunification but simply cannot because

498

they do not have a stable housing.

499

So we have a partnership with the court

system so that we have two of the units

500

that we rent out to them so they can help

reunify families.

501

So it's discounted rent and so we have

some income through that.

502

That's cool.

503

We'll link the donation in the show notes.

504

Because people should give.

505

Yeah, I can give you our link.

506

After the women leave your program, do you

have other community based programs that

507

you refer them to where they can access a

support system?

508

So we have what's called our graduate

program.

509

So three months post.

510

leaving our program, they still receive

case management.

511

They can always be recertified if they

need more or would prefer like longer case

512

management.

513

And the whole goal of this is to make sure

that it's to sustainability, right?

514

We want to make sure that this client can

sustain themselves in the environment.

515

So we do three months of post -case

management.

516

We connect them with resources like, so

for example, we have a client leaving

517

right now.

518

I know I said Section 8 is so hard to get

and like it's a million and one type of

519

thing.

520

One of our clients actually did get it.

521

And I didn't want to say that at first

because I didn't want it to seem like it

522

was so easy to get.

523

But she's been here for a couple years and

she didn't get it, which is like

524

ridiculously exciting.

525

So she's able to move into affordable

housing.

526

So this independent living model.

527

So she's going to leave our program for

three months.

528

She will still have case management,

therapy, all that good stuff.

529

that comes with our program.

530

And of course, upon exit, we'll make sure

that she's connected with different

531

community resources.

532

So for example, the LIHEAP program, the

low income, low income energy assistance,

533

I'm missing the H, I don't know, low

income something energy assistance

534

program.

535

So basically it subsidizes utilities.

536

So we'll just make sure that whenever the

client leaves, the mom leaves, the family

537

leaves, they're able to access resources

that they need.

538

But like I said, the whole goal is for

them to lead this program and not,

539

need another intensive program.

540

So yes, we provide continued case

management and make sure that our families

541

are sustainable.

542

Our whole goal is to stop that revolving

door, you know?

543

And you know, our clients, it's

generational, like generations and

544

generations of families, you know, are

dependent on programs and do the same

545

thing that their mom did or their father

did.

546

And our whole goal is to show them it

doesn't have, it can be like that if you

547

want it to be like that, whatever you

want, you know, that's client centered.

548

There's other options out there.

549

And so our whole goal is to enlighten our

clients, just to educate our clients, to

550

show them that their potential is as large

as they want it to be.

551

There was something else I was going to

say and I lost it.

552

I'm so bummed.

553

I'm sure it'll come back to me though.

554

It'll come back.

555

So do you guys, are you dual diagnosis or

is that more of a term that we use in

556

substance use disorder treatment?

557

We do not diagnose.

558

If that's what that means.

559

I mean, dual diagnosis, I know what that

means, but I don't know what it means in

560

the situation that you're basically like

treating somebody with like acute mental

561

health issues on top of like active

addiction or active alcoholism or

562

something.

563

No.

564

Okay.

565

Right.

566

So, um, we, um, we're not so intensive,

you know, our program is supposed to be

567

sort of like a building block.

568

Um, so we do not have like a substance use

counselor on staff.

569

So if we have someone in the.

570

current throws of substance use trauma

issues, we won't accept them into our

571

program.

572

And simply not because we don't want to, I

would love to.

573

We don't have Narcan in the office.

574

We do not have a substance use counselor.

575

So it would not be appropriate for us to

take a client such as that because it

576

wouldn't be safe.

577

It would put that client at risk.

578

It would put their children at risk.

579

It would put our program and our other

moms at risk.

580

So, um...

581

We try to, we would connect them with

other community resources, but they would

582

not be in our program.

583

Yeah.

584

Yeah.

585

That makes sense.

586

They'd go someplace like us for 28 days or

30 days.

587

Take care of that.

588

That's the most important thing right

there is getting that out of their life

589

and starting that recovery journey.

590

It's kind of like, it's kind of like

trying to take new like antidepressants

591

while like drinking.

592

lots and lots of alcohol and like

wondering why the antidepressants don't

593

work.

594

And it's like, well, you're drinking a

depressive and you're inactive alcoholism.

595

Our whole goal is to fit the need.

596

You know, I really don't like this whole

idea of not accepting a client or, you

597

know, whatever.

598

And I'm a very big advocate of proper

vocabulary.

599

It's very important to me that our team

uses correct vocabulary.

600

So for example, person first language.

601

You don't have an autistic person.

602

You have a person who has autism.

603

Person first language comes first.

604

That way you don't put this person in a

box.

605

Like for example, I never say a homeless

person.

606

I will not say a homeless woman.

607

I will not say a homeless mom.

608

I will say a mom or a person experiencing

homeless because homelessness is not

609

forever.

610

It is a situational experience.

611

It does not define the person.

612

And I brought this up for a certain

reason.

613

I'm trying to remember why.

614

I think it's the good fit thing.

615

And so.

616

We used to call basically our intake

process.

617

There are a couple steps.

618

We're a little bit longer than the typical

agency because we're not an emergency

619

shelter.

620

We are long -term transitional housing.

621

So we used to call it interviews.

622

You had to have three interviews in the

intake process with a few of our staff

623

members.

624

First thing I did when I got here is

change that to consultations because we're

625

not interviewing you to make sure that you

are good enough for us.

626

We want to make sure that we're good

enough for you too.

627

We want to make sure that we're a good

fit, that we're not going to have you in

628

this program and realize, oh, this isn't a

good fit and have to uproot your whole

629

life again.

630

So the whole goal of this program and our

consultations and the language that we use

631

is all to make sure it's a good fit.

632

We don't want to take someone who is in

the absolute throws of the substance use

633

issue because we're not readily available

to handle the extensive need, whereas your

634

program...

635

Sounds like it definitely would be.

636

And so we wouldn't want to, it's like

putting on a shoe that doesn't fit.

637

You know, we just want to make sure it's a

good fit so that it's comfortable for

638

everybody.

639

And, you know, the best opportunities to

be successful, you know, we're building,

640

we are a building block to help you get

there.

641

We are not here to keep you down or put

you in a box.

642

Like we are just here to lift you up and

it needs to be a good fit for that.

643

You know, you have to want it.

644

So more than we do.

645

I would buy your motivational interviewing

tapes or something if you did some Tony

646

Robbins thing.

647

I love that you know the terminology.

648

That's good stuff.

649

Oh, I've seen so many classes.

650

I use it all the time.

651

Dude, you can use Motiv.

652

Anybody can use motivational interviewing.

653

I don't care if you work in clinical or

whatever setting, but it's such an

654

effective tool.

655

Like I find myself using it in daily life.

656

You know, it's super cool.

657

So look it up.

658

Look it up.

659

There's

660

plenty of stuff on YouTube about it.

661

This program, it's 50 -50.

662

You have to, we cannot, our job is not

here to motivate you.

663

Obviously we want to recognize that

there's trauma and trauma can sometimes

664

rear its ugly face in a way that looks

like a lack of motivation or laziness.

665

And obviously we recognize that we would

never want to pose a barrier.

666

And at the end of the day, I mean, it's

like you said, it's all about motivation.

667

It's all about 50 -50.

668

It's all about, do you want it?

669

Cause...

670

I'm not here to want it more than you.

671

We had a client actually, I'll just tell

you a little funny story.

672

We had a client come in and like I said,

everyone's path is different, linear.

673

We had a client for a while who wasn't

paying rent.

674

She wasn't, she's off track.

675

She was getting off track and I think she

was talking about it with some other

676

clients, which can be, it happens, you

know, but it causes us, puts us in a

677

little bit of a pickle, you know, cause

she's coming in and she's like, well, this

678

client's not paying rent.

679

Why do I have to pay rent?

680

And.

681

I'm like, well, it's up to you.

682

When I first met you, I could clearly see

that you were going places.

683

You were going to make something of

yourself.

684

I can see it.

685

I got your energy.

686

I knew it.

687

From the frigging start, I saw you.

688

You're going to kill the game.

689

So now you're coming to us with this

issue.

690

And I can understand.

691

It's frustrating.

692

And it's up to you.

693

Do you want to set your bar there?

694

Do you want to set your bar higher?

695

It's up to you.

696

The choice is yours.

697

You can set your bar wherever you want.

698

Now, I know where I see your bar because I

know how credible you are and what you can

699

do.

700

And like I said, from the moment I met

you, I knew you were right for this

701

program and you would make something

yourself.

702

Like, you're amazing.

703

So, choice is yours.

704

And I'm a very stubborn person.

705

I think my dad would probably tell you

that for sure.

706

I was stubborn growing up, stubborn now.

707

I don't like for people to tell me what to

do.

708

I usually do the opposite.

709

And so I really try to use that

understanding with our clients.

710

Like, it's all about choice, all about

choice and change.

711

I don't believe in consequences.

712

I believe in natural consequences.

713

I believe in rewarding and natural

consequences.

714

Consequences that come up based on your

actions, not because that we're telling

715

you that this is bad or you shouldn't be

doing it that way.

716

I find that that can be so much more

effective when someone makes the choice on

717

their own, you know?

718

Yeah, that's awesome.

719

I'm glad to see the shift from like, oh,

we're going to teach you by giving you

720

consequences, telling you you're you're

fucking up.

721

You know, you're not doing this right

rather than rewarding good behavior.

722

You know, like that's so much more

effective.

723

That's why I like to see drug court.

724

There needs to be more drug court and not

that it's perfect.

725

But yeah, just being able to reinforce the

positive behaviors, you know, and

726

empowering them to like make their own

decisions and do the right thing.

727

Do you want to come work for me?

728

Like.

729

Do I come join this team?

730

Because I love your vibe.

731

I'm loving this.

732

You don't have a substance use disorder

counselor.

733

So yeah.

734

Yeah, we'll talk.

735

It's Florida though.

736

And you don't have AC.

737

You're not really.

738

No, we do have AC.

739

It's just not central.

740

I just have a box, an AC box over there.

741

It's noisy.

742

I swear we have AC.

743

Our clients would be like, not happy if we

did not have AC.

744

That sounds bad.

745

Is it nice where you're at?

746

Where is this place?

747

Riviera Beach?

748

Is that what you said?

749

Yeah, it's um, gosh, I don't know how

honest I should answer that question.

750

It's not great.

751

I lived there.

752

Can I say because I live there.

753

We had a stabbing in our gated community

in Riviera Beach.

754

Is that okay to say?

755

Do you think that sums it up?

756

I mean, whatever.

757

I mean, it's the truth.

758

Like,

759

So I'll show you my view really quick.

760

So I don't know if y 'all can see it, but

here, let me unplug you first.

761

So I have a view of the street, you know,

right outside campus.

762

And that's an empty lot out there.

763

And I feel what, whenever there's an empty

lot, there's danger.

764

You know, in South Florida, it's like you

turn a left and you're in a great area,

765

take a right and nod.

766

So.

767

Or cross a bridge.

768

Right.

769

Northwood is right there.

770

Northwood's.

771

they're really developing Northwood, you

know, so.

772

Have you noticed the homeless problem

getting better or worse in Florida in the

773

past few years?

774

So I wouldn't even call it a homeless

problem.

775

I'd call it a housing problem.

776

Oh, sorry.

777

No, not at all.

778

It's a housing problem.

779

It's a crisis.

780

I mean, I'm on, my husband and I both make

decent money.

781

He makes better money, obviously.

782

But we both make decent money, dual

income, and we're trying to buy a house.

783

And what used to be

784

you know, $500 ,000 is a million dollars.

785

What used to be $100 ,000 is nonexistent.

786

You know what I mean?

787

So it's, it's the housing crisis is a big

problem.

788

I mean, really, if I can barely afford

things with a joint income with my

789

husband, how on earth is a single mother

raising children, mouths to feed, going to

790

school and trying to work?

791

How is it even possible?

792

The math doesn't math.

793

Do you think income is the biggest

detriment to unhoused women or do you

794

think it's a combination of not having

substance use resources or past trauma?

795

Interesting.

796

All right, don't quote me on it, because I

wouldn't say I'm a professional, but I

797

would definitely say education.

798

That's a big goal of our program is

education.

799

We really try to get our clients connected

to vocational, educational resources,

800

because we really want to broaden the

horizon.

801

You come in with no GED, you're getting

minimum wage.

802

So our goal is 90 % of our clients who

successfully graduate from our program

803

have their GED or equivalent high school

diploma.

804

So I really feel that expanding education

expands your opportunities.

805

But it's, I mean, really at the end of the

day, Florida is expensive.

806

South Florida is insane.

807

We're on that, one of those lists, you

know, where housing is so expensive, you

808

want to free and shove your head in a

hole.

809

You know, don't come to Florida.

810

Or Colorado, don't come here either.

811

Well, it's cold there.

812

I don't know if we want to go there

anyway.

813

Hey, planning people apparently.

814

Yeah, I guess so.

815

I wound up here.

816

Yeah, I think it's no.

817

Gone.

818

What?

819

Oh, I was just gonna dovetail into what

you're saying.

820

It's kind of it's income.

821

It's education.

822

I mean, it's it's generational.

823

It's it's where you raised in poverty, you

know, like what was your childhood like

824

adverse experiences?

825

Like you said, it's it.

826

I feel like the worst of it is a

combination of all of that.

827

So I mean, it's

828

to treat that, that's gonna be a big thing

to undertake, but I think treating it in

829

each way rather than just saying, all

right, we gotta solve the income problem.

830

I mean, that's still not gonna fix it.

831

It's looking at a person as a whole.

832

You can't just look at a part of it.

833

I love that.

834

Oh my God, you're amazing.

835

I love where you're at with this.

836

That's so great.

837

Thank you.

838

You have such a great mindset about...

839

where the issues lie and how to approach

some of these things.

840

It's not, it is wraparound services.

841

You cannot look at a symptom by itself.

842

You have to see the entire setting.

843

You know what I mean?

844

You just can't solve a problem with one

piece of the puzzle.

845

You gotta have all the puzzle pieces.

846

She's being nice to me.

847

I don't know what to do.

848

Thank you.

849

Right.

850

This is one of your traumatic responses.

851

You're not used to it.

852

I'm going to therapy every week, too.

853

We're getting there.

854

Shout out to Micah, my homie.

855

I love him.

856

He's coming to my wedding when I have it.

857

Your therapist that you said would murder

you, your murderous therapist.

858

Wait, why did I say he'd murder me?

859

For what?

860

What did I say?

861

For calling him a life coach.

862

Oh, yeah, he would not be happy with that.

863

He's like, it's just called therapy.

864

And I'm like, for people who are funny

about that word, you know, therapy,

865

they're like, something's wrong with me.

866

I'm like, no, it's just life is hard.

867

Help you navigate it.

868

So yeah, him Micah.

869

Amazing.

870

Go Micah.

871

My man Stephanie.

872

She's cool.

873

So we have about five minutes left or so.

874

So if you wanted to give a shout out to

any

875

other programs that you think are doing

good work, any links available or anything

876

where people can get involved and help you

guys.

877

This is your moment.

878

Okay, so I want to hit two things on there

because I actually read one of these

879

questions before we got on here and it was

about who do I look up to most?

880

I really I'm very excited for this

question.

881

I want to hit these two people.

882

Number one, Ricky Aiken.

883

He is from the streets.

884

He is making incredible

885

freaking change in this community.

886

Inner City Innovators, amazing program,

doing amazing work.

887

And then we've got Jeff DiMario, who is,

other than my husband, maybe the love of

888

my life.

889

Love that guy.

890

He runs Vita Nova, a program for youth.

891

Incredible program, incredible guy.

892

If I want to be someone when I grow up,

it's him.

893

To have authentic and crucial

conversations from a place of love is a

894

skill that I am like trying so hard to

have.

895

And he just naturally is so amazing at it.

896

So shout out to both them.

897

They're incredible inner city innovators

and Vita Nova, amazing CEOs, amazing

898

programs, just properly amazing people

doing amazing stuff.

899

Our program, you can find us on Facebook,

Instagram, although we do need a little

900

facelift on Instagram and Facebook.

901

So if any social media interns out there

want to help us, we'd be very, very

902

grateful.

903

Holy Ground PBC, we are interfaith, we are

not faith -based, and we're really doing

904

very good work.

905

You guys can donate, we have a donate page

on our website.

906

We're in a desperate need for volunteers,

second and fourth Wednesdays of each month

907

we have life skills and girl talk classes

and we need babysitters for our kids.

908

Sometimes our moms are trying to work nine

to five jobs.

909

daycare is closed at 530.

910

They have to take two buses and they can't

pick up their kids in time.

911

So we have a serious need for babysitters

and just like people who are ready to be

912

here and disrupt the systems that suppress

our most at risk.

913

That's what we're looking for.

914

I love that.

915

It's such a cool mission statement.

916

Not good.

917

Right?

918

Yeah.

919

It's like my tagline.

920

Did you come up with that?

921

I'm trying to remember how it's on my

LinkedIn.

922

I've had it on my LinkedIn for so long.

923

I want to take credit for it because it's

so good.

924

I just, I'm sure I've seen it somewhere, I

would say, but can I just take credit for

925

it for it anyway?

926

Yeah, it's yours.

927

Yeah.

928

Thank you.

929

You know, the reason I wrote that is

because I felt like saying our mission

930

statement to, you know, just wasn't strong

enough.

931

Like literally we are disrupting the

systems that suppress our most at risk

932

populations.

933

That's just moving, you know?

934

Motivational.

935

Even.

936

Yeah, it goes along with your motivational

speaking.

937

I love that.

938

Yeah.

939

How can like a normal person help?

940

Let's say they they can't donate right

now, but they want to help.

941

What's something that they can do even if

they don't live there?

942

Like how about like the way that they

treat the on -house population, for

943

example, or something that they could do

population?

944

I love that.

945

That's so good.

946

Um,

947

Recognize your language.

948

Be empathetic.

949

Remember that it's situational and not

forever.

950

You can be that one person that makes a

difference in someone's life by giving

951

them a smile, looking them in the face.

952

Even if you don't have money, a smile and

a good luck, I hope you're doing okay

953

today.

954

Freaking human respect is what I would

say.

955

And if you're local and you're a female

and you want a mentor, come on over.

956

Hell yeah.

957

Hell yeah.

958

So I got any closers from you or do you

have any questions for us?

959

Well, I had one which is kind of

pretentious, but I wanted to know if you

960

had read anything good recently.

961

Or do you have a book that you love?

962

Yes.

963

Okay.

964

I'm reading one right now that I didn't

think I was going to like that much.

965

My husband is so perfect.

966

He every once in a while he'll gift me a

book and I love the books he gets me

967

because they're kind of...

968

Out of my normal vibe, I just really love

Greek mythology, so I read a lot of that.

969

He'll throw some random stuff in there and

it's hit or miss, but this most recent one

970

is so freaking moving.

971

It's called The Last Lecture.

972

I'm an idiot for not knowing the author

and I'm sorry, Google it, it's out there.

973

The Last Lecture, and it's about this

professor, this lecturer who was diagnosed

974

with terminal pancreatic cancer, and he

has the opportunity to give one last

975

lecture.

976

And he asks, he's really struggling to

find the answer.

977

And like, how do you possibly...

978

culminate life into one last lecture and

he brought it down to what makes me

979

unique.

980

And that question is obviously very

thought provoking for everyone internally.

981

And then he says the thing that makes him

unique is that he has accomplished every

982

single one of his childhood dreams.

983

And then he goes through the list of

childhood dreams, each of his chapters,

984

and it's pretty phenomenal.

985

And it just makes you think, what are your

childhood dreams?

986

What did you dream about when you were a

kid and where are you at now?

987

And how does that correlate and connect?

988

And what are the parallels there?

989

And

990

This whole idea of positivity and family,

you know, he has a family and they're all

991

dealing with this diagnosis and they're

respecting his wishes of throwing himself

992

into his last lecture.

993

So it's just this beautiful combination of

family, faith, faith in yourself,

994

recognizing your dreams, what makes you

unique and just taking on life.

995

So it's really good.

996

I haven't finished it yet.

997

It's really, really good.

998

I love that.

999

That's a good answer.

00:48:29,786 --> 00:48:32,046

I'll look into it.

00:48:32,046 --> 00:48:34,146

It's so uplifting.

00:48:34,346 --> 00:48:34,986

It's shocking.

00:48:34,986 --> 00:48:36,686

I didn't think it would be so uplifting.

00:48:36,686 --> 00:48:38,326

It's so uplifting.

00:48:38,326 --> 00:48:42,646

I'm like one of those people who's like

itching to read my book when I get home.

00:48:43,046 --> 00:48:44,166

You know, Hey, this is you.

00:48:44,166 --> 00:48:45,006

You do that.

00:48:45,006 --> 00:48:46,296

Yeah, she does that.

00:48:46,296 --> 00:48:48,526

It's great to see it.

00:48:48,526 --> 00:48:50,426

Yeah.

00:48:50,486 --> 00:48:52,226

How about y 'all any like book

suggestions?

00:48:52,226 --> 00:48:54,166

I'm totally open.

00:48:54,946 --> 00:48:56,046

Well,

00:48:56,046 --> 00:49:03,086

I've been reading a little bit of George

Saunders recently, and I don't know too

00:49:03,086 --> 00:49:03,686

much about him.

00:49:03,686 --> 00:49:08,286

He's a professor at Syracuse, but he

writes all these little weird short

00:49:08,286 --> 00:49:09,056

stories.

00:49:09,056 --> 00:49:12,536

I think he won the MacArthur Genius Grant

or something.

00:49:12,536 --> 00:49:18,006

One of my friends recommended him to me,

and he's really funny and really witty.

00:49:18,006 --> 00:49:22,478

And he has this short story called Fox

Eight, which is like...

00:49:22,478 --> 00:49:27,878

the weirdest thing that you'll ever read,

but moving and also hilarious.

00:49:27,878 --> 00:49:32,798

And if you look that up, it's really, it's

really something.

00:49:32,798 --> 00:49:33,728

That sounds good.

00:49:33,728 --> 00:49:34,918

I will look it up.

00:49:36,654 --> 00:49:38,894

Yeah.

00:49:39,154 --> 00:49:40,114

Cool.

00:49:40,114 --> 00:49:45,314

If you had to bring what, like an album,

this is the worst last question ever, but

00:49:45,314 --> 00:49:46,394

I didn't look at anything.

00:49:46,394 --> 00:49:49,844

But like one album to what is it?

00:49:49,844 --> 00:49:53,434

The proverbial desert island that you're

just going to die in and you can't pull

00:49:53,434 --> 00:49:56,934

some Tom Hanks shit and you have to listen

to this on repeat forever.

00:49:56,934 --> 00:49:57,834

Oh my God.

00:49:57,834 --> 00:49:58,454

You know what?

00:49:58,454 --> 00:49:59,384

I was really impressed.

00:49:59,384 --> 00:50:00,554

I had a book answer.

00:50:00,554 --> 00:50:02,394

Now you're killing me with this.

00:50:02,594 --> 00:50:04,274

It's off the cuff.

00:50:04,274 --> 00:50:05,518

It's off the cuff.

00:50:05,518 --> 00:50:08,478

I am the shallowest music person on the

face of the planet.

00:50:08,478 --> 00:50:10,298

I'm just like, whatever.

00:50:10,958 --> 00:50:11,778

You know what?

00:50:11,778 --> 00:50:13,258

What song I would die on?

00:50:13,258 --> 00:50:14,658

American Pie.

00:50:14,978 --> 00:50:17,958

I just know every single word, every

single lyric.

00:50:17,958 --> 00:50:19,038

I don't know.

00:50:19,038 --> 00:50:20,338

It's as a kid.

00:50:20,338 --> 00:50:20,928

I don't know.

00:50:20,928 --> 00:50:22,258

It's one song.

00:50:22,838 --> 00:50:23,938

I wish I had time to think of this

question.

00:50:23,938 --> 00:50:25,698

Don McQueen, right?

00:50:25,698 --> 00:50:26,818

Yeah.

00:50:26,818 --> 00:50:27,828

That's so funny.

00:50:27,828 --> 00:50:30,038

Do you want to close singing it?

00:50:30,038 --> 00:50:30,838

Bye.

00:50:30,858 --> 00:50:33,538

I don't want to hear my voice.

00:50:33,582 --> 00:50:34,702

It's shocking.

00:50:34,702 --> 00:50:35,152

I'm scary.

00:50:35,152 --> 00:50:38,182

I could really send my ABCs with a tune.

00:50:38,302 --> 00:50:39,102

Cool.

00:50:39,102 --> 00:50:40,282

Well, thank you so much.

00:50:40,282 --> 00:50:41,692

This was really awesome.

00:50:41,692 --> 00:50:44,602

I think we got into some good stuff.

00:50:44,602 --> 00:50:47,022

We got into ways people can help.

00:50:47,182 --> 00:50:49,422

So thanks for taking the time to do this.

00:50:49,422 --> 00:50:50,662

We appreciate it.

00:50:50,662 --> 00:50:51,762

Yeah, it's a good vibe.

00:50:51,762 --> 00:50:53,762

I really enjoyed it.

00:50:53,822 --> 00:50:59,302

And I just think it's really cool because

we're really trying to connect with a

00:50:59,302 --> 00:51:01,042

younger population.

00:51:01,422 --> 00:51:02,926

We have a lot of older...

00:51:02,926 --> 00:51:06,106

women and men who are involved with our

program, but I'd really like to see some

00:51:06,106 --> 00:51:11,806

of my community, you know, 20s, 30s,

whatever, you know, a little bit more

00:51:11,806 --> 00:51:16,246

involved in our program and understanding

that just because you might not be

00:51:16,246 --> 00:51:22,106

financially readily available to help in

that way, like there's so much opportunity

00:51:22,106 --> 00:51:27,886

to be involved and to help and just to

even show your support.

00:51:27,886 --> 00:51:31,662

I'm really grateful this is gonna go out

to some of the younger kids out there.

00:51:31,662 --> 00:51:33,542

I sound like an old person.

00:51:33,962 --> 00:51:37,912

Just going out to my community, you know,

I don't have a lot of resources for that.

00:51:37,912 --> 00:51:42,522

And so it's really nice to have people

like you who are messaging me and saying

00:51:42,522 --> 00:51:46,422

that you want to show that, you know, the

world is not as dark as it may seem.

00:51:46,422 --> 00:51:49,222

And there are opportunities out there and

get involved.

00:51:49,222 --> 00:51:51,702

It feels good to give back.

00:51:51,702 --> 00:51:55,442

So I'm excited to have that population in

the community.

00:51:55,462 --> 00:51:55,662

Yeah.

00:51:55,662 --> 00:51:59,942

And you can throw them our way to if you

have anybody who would be good on this or

00:51:59,942 --> 00:52:01,294

anybody listening that.

00:52:01,294 --> 00:52:04,154

has something in mind, Bloom's scrolling

podcast.

00:52:04,154 --> 00:52:06,894

That's our Instagram handle and also our

Gmail.

00:52:06,894 --> 00:52:09,054

So just shoot us a message.

00:52:09,233 --> 00:52:09,674

Absolutely.

00:52:09,674 --> 00:52:14,064

And then how long does it take to like get

out there?

00:52:14,064 --> 00:52:15,444

How long is it?

00:52:15,444 --> 00:52:19,494

Like three or four years, I think.

00:52:20,054 --> 00:52:23,790

Well, you have to edit it and you're not,

you're in between.

00:52:23,790 --> 00:52:25,710

positions right now.

00:52:25,710 --> 00:52:28,510

So if it's not done by tomorrow, I'm going

to be.

00:52:28,510 --> 00:52:30,560

I'll have it done within by the end of the

week.

00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,350

I'm going to, I'll come to that.

00:52:32,350 --> 00:52:35,470

I'd love to post this on our Facebook or

whatever.

00:52:35,470 --> 00:52:36,730

You know, this is super cool.

00:52:36,730 --> 00:52:37,910

It would be so cool.

00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:38,520

Yeah.

00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:39,010

Perfect.

00:52:39,010 --> 00:52:39,250

Yeah.

00:52:39,250 --> 00:52:40,990

We'll, we'll send it to you first.

00:52:40,990 --> 00:52:41,700

Send it to you first.

00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:42,890

That would be great.

00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:43,870

Yeah.

00:52:43,870 --> 00:52:45,670

Thank you so much.

00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:46,390

Yeah.

00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:48,060

This is awesome.

00:52:48,060 --> 00:52:50,926

What a cool origin story to like.

00:52:50,926 --> 00:52:54,986

Yeah, from nightclubs to this, anything's

possible.

00:52:55,766 --> 00:52:58,466

Oh my gosh, that's another funny thing.

00:52:58,466 --> 00:53:04,446

It's like, you're kind of from my past

environment, not my past environment, a

00:53:04,446 --> 00:53:08,396

different part of myself, you know, and

it's really cool.

00:53:08,396 --> 00:53:10,696

This is what I was telling my husband and

some of my coworkers.

00:53:10,696 --> 00:53:15,406

It's really cool to be able to bring these

two parts of my life together, which I

00:53:15,406 --> 00:53:16,816

feel I've been struggling with.

00:53:16,816 --> 00:53:18,342

I've been wanting to.

00:53:18,702 --> 00:53:20,282

join these parts of my life.

00:53:20,282 --> 00:53:23,262

And I feel that you've really given me the

opportunity to do that.

00:53:23,262 --> 00:53:25,242

So I'm really, I'm like eternally

grateful.

00:53:25,242 --> 00:53:29,182

This is so cool that I have the ability,

you guys have provided me with the ability

00:53:29,182 --> 00:53:29,932

to do that.

00:53:29,932 --> 00:53:31,362

So thank you.

00:53:31,622 --> 00:53:32,822

Yeah, amazing.

00:53:32,822 --> 00:53:34,962

Thank you so much.

00:53:34,962 --> 00:53:36,582

All right, see you guys later.

00:53:36,582 --> 00:53:37,472

See you later.

00:53:37,472 --> 00:53:38,382

Bye.