Shownotes
Inflation Reduction Act Loophole: "Your tax dollars that is being dragged out of this country to enrich China."
Today, we're joined by special guest Eileen DeRolf, a former middle school teacher, and steadfast property rights advocate from Pataskala, Ohio. Together, we discuss the critical concerns surrounding corporate welfare in Ohio, with a specific focus on tax abatements and controversial development deals.
We discuss the uneasy involvement of Chinese government-linked entities in U.S. industrial projects, emphasizing how these affect our local governance and green spaces. We hear about the struggles of Pataskala citizens, whose voices were disregarded in city council meetings, and the alarming ways major projects bypass local regulations to favor foreign investments over American small businesses.
We explore the legislative efforts needed to safeguard our communities, examine the convoluted role of JobsOhio, and investigate the far-reaching impact of foreign influence within our borders. Plus, we'll touch on the stealthy economic threats posed by China's global strategies, and the crucial importance of informed voting to uphold our democratic rights.
Common Sense Moments
00:00 Pataskala hosts solar plant partially Chinese-owned.
05:14 Chinese workers unmonitored, near sensitive US sites.
11:01 Chinese ex-nationals in US countering Chinese influence.
19:03 Citizens initially ignored by city council, disrespected.
22:05 Prioritize development over preserving land and transparency.
31:28 JobsOhio promotes Chinese companies' presence in Ohio.
36:24 Investigating money laundering involving incentives for China.
41:48 Independent redistricting board removal criticized in Ohio.
46:35 Condemnation, disassociation, and tensions over "garbage" comments.
52:39 Belt and Road strengthens China’s global influence.
57:54 Naomi Wolf endorses Trump after supporting Israel.
58:52 Left Democratic party over speech suppression, vaccines.
3 Key Takeaways:
- Community Advocacy
Citizens need to stay vigilant and vocal about local governance to ensure their voices are heard and effectively represented in development projects.
- Economic Transparency
It's critical to push for legislative changes that prevent non-disclosure agreements from hiding crucial information about foreign investments and corporate welfare.
- Strategic Voting
Properly informed voting on local and national levels can uphold rights and significantly influence how policies are made and implemented, particularly those impacting local communities.
Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.
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Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.
Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.
Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.
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Transcripts
Welcome to Common Sense Ohio. Brett Johnson here with you. Norm here. We've got a guest. Steve's out doing his stuff in the real world. The good stuff. That sort of thing. And, again, today's episode is brought to you by the letter v as in vote.
Brett Johnson [:Yes. And the numbers 11524. Tuesday, November 5th 24. It's important.
Norm Murdock [:Mhmm. Right.
Brett Johnson [:Do some homework. Go out
Norm Murdock [:and vote. Adult Sesame Street.
Brett Johnson [:It's sesame Street. Exactly.
Norm Murdock [:The letter v.
Brett Johnson [:Exactly. So, yeah. We've got, we're gonna go off a little off of our format that you're used to hearing week after week because we've got a very special guest. I'm gonna let Norm introduce her, but I think it's his, this is gonna be one of those episodes we're gonna use as a basis to refer to a lot, because it's gonna be some insights on on Ohio corporate welfare welfare that we talk about a lot. Whether it's national, but a lot of Ohio because that that hits us harder than anything else. But, Norm, let's jump into it.
Norm Murdock [:Sure. Our our guest is Eileen DeRolf, and Eileen, spent a a a career as a high school teacher.
Eileen DeRolf [:Middle school.
Norm Murdock [:Middle school teacher in Westerville teaching science. And, she is politically, as a civilian, as a as a citizen, advocate, for, property rights of of and and the right to control your community, the public having a say so. And in her particular case involves Pataskala. To frame this a little bit, in previous episodes, we've talked about Ohio rolling out these grants and abatements and other kinds of special development deals for meat packing plants in Ohio, for the egg farm in Croton, which was a environmental disaster. It affected my property actually in Johnstown. And a host of other things. There's a a windshield, a a glass company called, Fuyayo or Fowl. I've
Eileen Duroff [:not Fuyal.
Norm Murdock [:Phu yao over in Springfield that's got all kinds of worker violations, that are being investigated by the Immigration and Natural naturalization service and Homeland Security. So and then, of course, we've got Intel, in Licking County, Amazon, Google. Microsoft just announced this week that they're gonna stick 3 new data centers. And so this is probably gonna eventually bring in nuclear power, additional power sources in Ohio. So all of these cascading things are going to affect the quality of life for citizens all across Ohio and are right now. And Eileen is in the middle of a a pretty epic struggle between the citizens of Pataskala and the elites in Pataskala that, you know, control the government there and this big corporation. So, Eileen, give us a little background on this, it's it's called LONGi and Illuminate.
Eileen Duroff [:It's LONGi.
Norm Murdock [:LONGi is how you pronounce it?
Eileen Duroff [:In Pataskala, a stealth effort was made to ultimately bring into Pataskala a, solar assembly, solar panel assembly plant. This solar panel assembly plant, was put into a building that had previously been built by the original constructor Red Rock, and Red Rock achieved a 15 year tax abatement on this building before it was ultimately sold to the entities that now own it and have and are housing the solar panel assembly plant. The disturbing part about it is, 1, again, how they snuck it into the community, but also that it's 51% owned by an American company in Benergy which is Chicago based and a 49% owned by Communist China. The corporation is LONGi, but that's all capital letters l o n g I, but LONGi, really it's a communist country. They really on paper own it, but the CCP really controls everything in China. Private property is really not an option. So, we are now have in our community then, this entity along with a 100, roughly a 100, I don't wanna give the exact number, but roughly a 100 Chinese nationals working in this factory, and, theoretically, they're going home at some point, but they've been there now for most of a year. Wow.
Eileen Duroff [:They are able to roam freely around the communities with as far as I can tell and I've talked to some pretty high level people, unmonitored. And yet, and every day, twice a day, there are 4 buses, charter buses that pick them up at their apartments, and there are various numbers apartment complexes in New Albany where they live, and then they are, bussed to illuminate USA. And then after their shift is up, and I believe their shifts are 12 hour shifts, they're bussed back home. Now most disturbing and, it is a let's just say Mike Pompeo has emphatically stated and he is secretary was secretary of state and in Trump's administration, he's emphatically states that if you have Chinese nationals working in factories like Illuminate USA, then they will indeed surveil. And the path that they take to and from their apartments is, goes very close to a Google data center and a Facebook data center and Intel. And
Norm Murdock [:Let me let me just ask a couple of questions about this.
Brett Johnson [:Mhmm.
Norm Murdock [:Are these Chinese nationals management or are they, you know, factory workers?
Eileen Duroff [:They are factory oh, well, I think they're both.
Brett Johnson [:Okay.
Eileen Duroff [:Okay. The majority of them, I believe, are factory workers.
Norm Murdock [:Wow.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes.
Norm Murdock [:So what happened to the American Jobs?
Eileen Duroff [:Well, there are a bunch now. They've really ramped it up, and there are at least a 1000 jobs there.
Norm Murdock [:Okay.
Eileen Duroff [:But it the jobs piece is not where the focus should be.
Norm Murdock [:Gotcha.
Eileen Duroff [:You know, there's like a silver lining to every bad moment. And the silver lining is, yes, some of the money is coming, to Pataskala via these employees and the reason I'm going to emphasize that is when in this case at least I'm not gonna say I'm an expert on tax abatement, but in this case the tax abatement, 15 year tax abatement that Illuminate USA received, means that they don't have to pay any real estate taxes for 15 years. Well, somebody's gotta cover that cost and who covers it is the employees and the employees, you know, they are already Through
Norm Murdock [:their income tax.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes. Through their income tax. I believe they, normally it's a 1% income tax and I and theirs is, I can't remember, like, in the neighborhood of 2%. But to me, it's just appalling to me. You've got 2 multibillion dollar corporations who pay less taxes than me living in Pataskala. And they are dumping this tax burden onto workers who likely make less than me.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. And and the surrounding property owners like you.
Eileen Duroff [:Well
Norm Murdock [:As well as the workers. Yes. You're picking up the tab.
Eileen Duroff [:Well, they actually are supposedly, they cover it all. Now whether that's exactly right or not, I don't know.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. It it's pretty complicated because you get you get credit for the income taxes in the in where you live
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:As well as where you work.
Eileen Duroff [:So Oh, I see.
Norm Murdock [:For each worker, it could be a little different math.
Brett Johnson [:Yes.
Norm Murdock [:But I see what you're saying. Pataskala does get some of that income tax.
Eileen Duroff [:Oh, yes. Yes. And they love it. They love it to the extent that they will take the side of the Chinese owning warehouse tie over their citizens, concerns about the warehouse. It's really disturbing.
Norm Murdock [:I might just mention because you brought up Mike Pompeo. Mike Pompeo was not only secretary of state, he was also the head of the CIA.
Eileen Duroff [:Correct.
Norm Murdock [:So he knows a few things. I mean, let me just
Eileen Duroff [:say knows a lot.
Norm Murdock [:If he says that these people are engaged in, Surveillance. If if not espionage, you know, at least surveillance. They're gathering intelligence. And and China is a world adversary of of the United States. They're building artificial islands in the Pacific. They they harvest organs from Uyghurs, from from people that, you know, have a religion and they put them in concentration camps and and, against their will, harvest organs out of these people. They just suppress, free speech, etcetera, etcetera. They're they're it it's it's not the Chinese people per se.
Norm Murdock [:It's their government.
Eileen Duroff [:Oh oh, absolutely. And that is one of the things that I always try to discuss when I'm, in these moments where I'm talking about China. You know, our city council, in essence did a label as xenophobes, which is just yeah. Which is typical of someone who's, you know, calling people names rather than having a real conversation is kind of how you know that they really know they're really not maybe on the high ground.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Eileen Duroff [:But nonetheless, I it needs to be made really clear that those of us who push back about a CCP controlled China are really the real friends of the Chinese people. We are the ones that are pushing back against a vicious government.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Eileen Duroff [:We don't want it here, and we don't want it and if we don't want it here, and we can weaken them in any way, then we help those people in China.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Eileen Duroff [:So we are actually pro Chinese people, but we are totally anti CCP.
Norm Murdock [:And there and there are Chinese ex Chinese nationals in the US leading this movement that you're talking about to weaken the CHICOMs. People like Gordon Chang. You know, people who have been subjected to some of this political, terrorism that, you know, the Chinese have even set up their own, if you will, like police stations in the United States to police Americans who have relatives back in China. They'll bring in a an American citizen of Chinese descent into these police stations in the United States, and they found them in New York City, for example. Mhmm. They'll bring them in and say, you know, if you don't do x y z or shut up or whatever they want you to do, your relatives back here, you know, in Shanghai
Brett Johnson [:Are in trouble.
Norm Murdock [:We're gonna do things to them. And, you know, people don't realize what how vicious they are.
Eileen Duroff [:They are vicious and they the Chinese the CCP, Chinese led faction is deeply ingrained in so many layers of America as we speak.
Norm Murdock [:Yes. These Confucius centers on on university campuses.
Eileen Duroff [:Not just well, let's just say in Licking County, in West Houston, in Patasko City Schools, we have 2 school districts. Licking Heights School District actually a number of years ago actually had a Confucius Institute. Wow. In their building. Now, that would mean that they teach Chinese culture, they teach Mandarin, they even may take the kids over to China, you know, and
Norm Murdock [:Like Tim Walz did.
Eileen Duroff [:Like Tim Walz did on many many an occasion, in lot and this allows China then to influence and groom these people to see what to get them to imagine China is a much better place than it is. All that said, not very long ago, the, US government, the feds, outlawed Confucius Schools. But if you go to Licking Heights School District, website, you will still see they do all the things that are I just said, however, they've taken down their little logo that connects them to a organization that indicates that they paid money to Licking Heights to in order to, fund Right. This program.
Norm Murdock [:So I was reading about you on and the way I found you was, the pretty progressive news site, Bloomberg, had a major article about Pataskala, Ohio, which is generally in the central Ohio area for people who don't know. Mhmm. And the way that, Longhi, has insinuated itself into your community, like even when they offer internships into the solar panel manufacturing plant, Your your investigation and and and people looking into this have discovered that it's Ohio, JobsOhio, and other kinds of programs in Ohio that that actually are paying those interns. So it's our own tax amount money going through the Chinese factory, half owned by the Chinese, 4951, say it's half owned, into, into the pocketbooks of these interns. Alright. We're paying for the whole thing.
Eileen Duroff [:Well, let me stop.
Norm Murdock [:They're not even doing they're not even doing the nice thing about paying for these interns. It's the Ohio taxpayer paying for their employee interns who are working for them, we're paying for it.
Eileen Duroff [:Well, let me let me do a couple things while we're since you brought up a couple things that are important. When I agree with you, 49%, 50%, blah blah blah. Yeah. Well, that blah blah blah is huge. Sure. And the reason it's huge is because most legislation in this country that has attempted to remove Chinese ownership out of their state says that the Chinese company cannot own the majority of it. When Invenergy arranged their various shell companies, and then eventually settled back and did all their maneuvering to create ultimately the, final, movement on the chessboard to create this new corporation, Illuminate USA, they knew. They had to know.
Eileen Duroff [:Let's put it that way. They had to know that 49% is the most they could give Yeah. China. But they needed China here because China has and guards zealously their trade secrets even as they steal ours. Yes. They did not want any, they they could bring in the best technology to produce solar panels, and Invenergy needed it to be the front guy that would then probably do most of the marketing. K. So having said that, Illuminate USA, is taking home just as it's hard to say, and it's really hard to find out who's how the money's being divided, but it is important for everybody to understand that China is here in America for a number of reasons.
Eileen Duroff [:But likely, the single most important reason China is here in this factory is because of the Inflation Reduction Act. When it was created and I leave it to the re the listener to decide whether it's intentional or unintentional unintentional, oh my goodness, there was a loophole. And the inflation reduction act which was meant to incentivize American manufacturing, suddenly, the money could also be paid out to foreign entities like China. This so this one factory is here, and this one factory, according to Wall Street Journal, is eligible for up to $350,000,000 a year. Wow. That is your tax dollars, folks. Your tax dollars that is being dragged out of this country to enrich China. Yeah.
Eileen Duroff [:Our number one geopolitical adversary.
Norm Murdock [:The nice people who make the, the predicate chemicals to make Fentanyl.
Eileen Duroff [:Exactly.
Norm Murdock [:You know, really really great people.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes. Yeah. Now let me go back to that that business
Norm Murdock [:And by people, I mean the Chicom government officials.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes. Yes.
Norm Murdock [:Let me be very clear. Right. I'm not I'm not in any way trying to besmirch Chinese people. The the the and and, you know, stop with the xenophobic, you know, accusations. That's ridiculous. Ma'am. We're talking about government policy. Exactly.
Norm Murdock [:Exactly.
Eileen Duroff [:So, I'm I'm gonna slip back to something else you said because the truth is this company, when they came when we first heard well, we'll do a higher job at some point. When we first heard here in Pataskill, the average citizen that this factory was going to arrive, and it was 49% owned by China. We began showing up at the city council meetings. Now, any of you who have attended a meeting and understands what Robert's Rules is, knows that they can be used to strangle the opposition from speaking out. And certainly, while many people came, and remember, I believe that one well, it used to be now, it could be anything, used to be the number one fear for people were was public speaking.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Eileen Duroff [:You know? So these people who most of them had never attack attended a city council meeting and did not know the protocol. They did not, they took their little their little courage in hand, they went up to that podium, and they spoke. And after many people spoke, you know, you go sit down, and then the city council would move on like there they had heard nothing. Yeah. They had seen nothing. Yes. Now, it took many city council meetings before they finally at the end of the meeting where they always have an opportunity to say anything they want. They proceeded to basically unload on us and tell us, you know, that we we were silly about this or silly about that or we were xenophobic about this or I mean, it it was weeks weeks.
Eileen Duroff [:People were frustrated. People people did not come back because they they they just felt so unwelcome. And then in the newspapers, the mayor mayor Mike Compton would say things like they were rude, they were loud, they're pitchfork carrying mob.
Norm Murdock [:Sure.
Eileen Duroff [:I mean, they would say things like that. The average age of these people, I think we're looking probably 65.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Long term residents.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes. Worried about their kids and their grandkids and their country, and they were treated terribly.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Eileen Duroff [:So at any rate, so Let's
Norm Murdock [:let's yeah. If you don't mind. Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about the overall and and the Chinese piece is is, you know, it might be even the major piece, but it is one piece of this. The other piece, you mentioned JobsOhio. The other piece of this is the corporate welfare, system in general. And the way that it has affected the people around the Intel plant, the way it rolled out sounds very similar to the way, the Longhi, Illuminate USA project in Pataskala rolled out, where it's a fate accompli. It's it's already a done deal that the skids are greased, and the people are just told that this is what's going to happen.
Norm Murdock [:And I have many times on this show have used the analogy that if Norm wanted to open Norm's lawnmower repair in my garage, I would have to advertise under the zoning change laws. I would have to advertise for several weeks in the local newspaper of record. I would have to mail letters to each of my neighbors. All of this in advance of a zoning meeting to decide yes, no. Do I get to open my lawnmower shop? These major corporations go right to the governor. They go right to these development offices of the state of Ohio. And they offer, you know, all these bells and all these wonderful things are gonna happen. And I am finding that the politicians do not do diligence at all.
Norm Murdock [:They they they want their name associated with a big project and progress and all of these euphemisms that they use for tearing up the countryside, taking away green space and farmland, and popping up a factory on, you know, on fertile ground instead of going to brownfield sites like you have inner city in Columbus where there's already employees that need jobs, there's already, you know, earth that's been bulldozed over factory you know, just if you go on 5th 5th Street in in in, on on the east side in Columbus, there's acre after acre of knockdown factory sites that these kinds of plants could be put up, and you could really, you know, offer them money to the Columbus City Schools, which need the money. You know, lots of things could happen. Now the Chinese piece is disturbing on a number of levels, and it it it to me, it's an emergency that this gets addressed. Just like the Chinese pot party buying up farmland near US military bases. So what I wanna ask is a little bit about how does this happen at the state house level, Eileen? And then number 2, what kind of changes in the law like making NDAs, nondisclosure agreements that Ohio officials, probably like the mayor out there and the county commissioners and the township trustees, they sign these NDAs, and they and they NDAs with the developers and with the companies. And they their first duty is to the public, but they sign that away and they and they give the right of privacy to the developer over the citizen that they're supposed to serve.
Eileen Duroff [:Okay.
Norm Murdock [:It's a big topic.
Eileen Duroff [:Yeah. Well, it is. And I'm gonna you know, we're roaming here because there's just so much to cover. But
Norm Murdock [:We're gonna bring Eileen back. Yeah. For sure.
Brett Johnson [:I don't
Eileen Duroff [:know if that's good news or bad news.
Norm Murdock [:No. No.
Eileen Duroff [:You decide.
Norm Murdock [:No. This is a big this is the we we can't cover this in one show.
Brett Johnson [:No. No.
Eileen Duroff [:No. Come on. But but I will tell you that if you want to learn more about this and you want to, learn more about how China is embedding itself and has embedded itself in America, I do have an excellent website that I created. And it's it's keep as in keeepafa.com. That stands for keep America for Americans dot com. Keepafa.com. You if you go there, you will see that there are 10 short, and I I believe you'll find them a very interesting lessons, and the lesson series is called China's silent war on America.
Norm Murdock [:That's awesome.
Eileen Duroff [:And it will be the easiest way for you to get caught up on this critical topic.
Norm Murdock [:Once a teacher.
Eileen Duroff [:Always a teacher.
Norm Murdock [:Right. That's fantastic. And that's your work. I mean, you that is you doing the hard labor of putting that together. That is awesome.
Eileen Duroff [:I had some people helping me put up the website, helping me, to, proofread my stuff. But, yes, believe me, that took me many, you don't wanna know how much time.
Norm Murdock [:It was
Eileen Duroff [:a little insane.
Brett Johnson [:It takes A
Norm Murdock [:full time job for sure.
Brett Johnson [:Because you wanna put something up there that doesn't look I'll I'll excuse my French, half assed. Yeah. You want it to look intelligent Yes. That it's researched and it's well done because you wanna be respected for what you put up there.
Norm Murdock [:Well Notes and all.
Eileen Duroff [:But I don't but I will tell you my goal is never to intimidate the reader with great big words and convoluted this and, you know, you will find it pleasant reading and and in each art we try I tried in each lesson to have one short video and a relatively short article with a little bit of lead in on these things, and then, you will find that it it should only take you more than, no more than 25 minutes at most. And along the way, a number of these lessons have action items where you can actually send letters to the offending officials who have aided and abetted our number one political adversary.
Brett Johnson [:And I wonder and I think you may have been going this direction too, but let's readdress that. So, yes, you have those that you should be saying slap their hands like bad bad for you. Who are the friendly ears then? Who should we be going to that are on
Norm Murdock [:Who is helping on this issue? Exactly.
Eileen Duroff [:We have no friendly ears except the average guy.
Brett Johnson [:That's well,
Eileen Duroff [:again, that's kinda weird.
Brett Johnson [:Let me ask you. I saw an article and I wanna ask you
Norm Murdock [:what your thoughts are there. You mentioned Mike Pompeo.
Brett Johnson [:So like Oh, wow. I see. Yeah. You know, in regards to the state legislature. So I I noted correct me if this is right or wrong, maybe these are 2 people that we can say, okay, you're on our side with this. State rep Angie King from Salina.
Eileen Duroff [:Absolutely.
Brett Johnson [:And and Roy Klopstein.
Eileen Duroff [:Klopstein.
Brett Johnson [:Yes. Thank you. I'm sorry. From both both Republican bill Yes. Ohio House Bill 22 212. I'd love to get 1 or both of them. I mean, once the reelection kind of is all done
Norm Murdock [:Sure.
Brett Johnson [:To bring them on, if that makes sense
Norm Murdock [:to talk about
Eileen Duroff [:that No. It absolutely does. Get them here and get me here.
Norm Murdock [:Start this.
Eileen Duroff [:Could really wave of
Brett Johnson [:okay. Let's talk let's flush this out.
Norm Murdock [:We'll give Eileen we'll give Eileen the the request that that she come back with them. Right.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Okay. So I'm gonna go a little bit higher. I wanna ask your your perspective on so Sherrod Brown also has tried to put some some stuff together. Is that good stuff he's putting together as well?
Eileen Duroff [:Marco Rubio and is on fire with good stuff.
Brett Johnson [:Good. Okay.
Eileen Duroff [:But but What
Brett Johnson [:I guess what I'm leaning toward is it's not an r and d thing. It can be both and we're we're working together on this. Well and and and we can.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes. And I'm sorry I did not No. No. No. No. Because I was thinking who in the community Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:For sure. Yeah.
Eileen Duroff [:Whereas you're going big picture.
Norm Murdock [:We're doing big picture. We're doing big picture.
Eileen Duroff [:Will tell you
Brett Johnson [:that can change legislation. Yeah.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes. I will tell you I have talked to Sherrod Brown's chief of staff and other staff members. I've talked to Balderson. I've talked to, sorry, representative federal representative Balderson. Mhmm. I've talked to several state representatives. I I do have a connection because what happened to some degree is this election. They're all out stirring to get
Norm Murdock [:a letter. Yeah. For sure.
Eileen Duroff [:But immediately after this election, we want to get busy. And the reason that I need to get busy is because hardly any of them, like virtually none of them, even Angie King and Roy Klopfenstein do not know what is in this document, which talks specifically about Pataskala and all the lessons that should be learned ASAP about how China can take over, America one community at a time by doing exactly what they are doing at Pataskala. That's big stuff.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Eileen Duroff [:You know? And so
Norm Murdock [:They romance public officials. I'm using that word as a term of art. But, like, they they they they turn them into a bro. Like, oh, you know, we're we're at we're this passive, nice group of people, you know.
Brett Johnson [:And it looks as though they're, you know, and I get the representative. They they want these nice clean sound bites that we did that. I did this. I brought jobs. I brought jobs. Right. But the devil's in the details.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes. What jobs did you bring in? Exactly. And who what nation did you drag in? Right.
Brett Johnson [:And how much brought up.
Norm Murdock [:And how much did you disgorge of our tax dollars
Eileen Duroff [:To do it.
Norm Murdock [:To do it. Right.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Eileen Duroff [:Well, and I'm gonna go back and, thank you for that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to go back to what you had asked a while back.
Brett Johnson [:Yes. You know, that is
Eileen Duroff [:that is the problem with this Mhmm. With this saga.
Norm Murdock [:There's a lot of moving There's a lot of moving
Eileen Duroff [:there. Yes. And you can jump left and right. They put your eyes on something good at least. I hope you think that. Okay. So you ask, about the state. I don't believe this most people on the fed on the state level, senators or representatives, I I believe they understand most of them that China is a problem.
Eileen Duroff [:But I don't think they do have the details. Oh, they know that there's an economic price to pay. Everybody knows that our our Walmart is full of Chinese this, and Chinese that, and American manufacturing is not strong, and they get that. They may even get the surveillance piece that China's over here trying to build near military bases or, or or near,
Norm Murdock [:based on through TikTok Yeah.
Eileen Duroff [:Etcetera. Some of that. They don't get though how they can embed into communities. And that's important because ultimately, it's like all of us. If we all took care of our local governments and made them clean and and track Right. Then they would we would need the fed. Yeah. But same thing.
Eileen Duroff [:If if we don't take care of our each community, then all our communities go to pot. And here we are, a whole country that's a mess. So we really have to look we have to look at these little pieces to see how collectively they make the country stronger or weaker depending upon our policies. However
Norm Murdock [:Just like you wanna run good people for the school board.
Eileen Duroff [:Yeah. Exactly.
Norm Murdock [:Because it starts
Brett Johnson [:Local. Local.
Eileen Duroff [:Local. Local. Local. Yes. Now, so we'll go back to, so the state, I think, is kind of out of it. And although, I believe, I'm not naming names, but I believe the top, near the top, know stuff. And the reason I believe they know stuff is because they have to know the JobsOhio has their little fingers in seeding Ohio with Chinese companies. JobsOhio, I believe it was March of of 23, put out a press release, and this is typical, and they've done it before on other Chinese manufacturing situations.
Eileen Duroff [:They, which which means it's kind of a pattern with them. They, will offer well, behind closed doors on this particular building, they met with Invenergy and Lanjay, and then Jobs, Ohio. They all sign they all signed a non disclosure agreement.
Norm Murdock [:Which should be illegal.
Eileen Duroff [:It should be illegal. And then they proceeded, and then JobsOhio proceeded to offer $4,000,000 so that, ultimately Illuminate USA would locate in Pataskala.
Norm Murdock [:So JobsOhio, right, is funded by the taxpayers of Ohio.
Eileen Duroff [:No. It is not.
Norm Murdock [:It is not. Where's that where that 4,000,000 come from?
Eileen Duroff [:Now there's just another piece. I mean, you can
Norm Murdock [:But it is an Ohio agency.
Eileen Duroff [:Oh, it is. It's an Ohio Economic Development Agency.
Brett Johnson [:It has its former name was It's under the
Norm Murdock [:Department of Development.
Eileen Duroff [:No. Wasn't it? No. Hang on.
Brett Johnson [:Okay.
Eileen Duroff [:John Casey, lo those many years ago Yeah. Offered without any competitive bids to sell Ohio's liquor operation to JobsOhio.
Brett Johnson [:Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Eileen Duroff [:So once upon a time, when you bought a bottle of liquor in Ohio, the money went to Ohio to offset whatever the heck they ended up off setting.
Norm Murdock [:The higher Department of Liquor Control, etcetera.
Eileen Duroff [:Yeah. But but no. To offset, they the profit had to be to help Ohio.
Norm Murdock [:Well, sure. It went into the Ohio coffers Yes. Into state government.
Eileen Duroff [:It goes into JobsOhio's coffer. And because they're now considered a private entity, you research
Norm Murdock [:it. Oh, it's a public private, partnership kind of thing. It is
Eileen Duroff [:it is non transparent.
Brett Johnson [:So it's that I knew. Yeah. Okay. That's been somewhat recent that it's
Norm Murdock [:been deemed dead. Yeah. So it's not an agency of the state anymore.
Eileen Duroff [:It's a I'll tell you.
Norm Murdock [:Nonprofit. What you're saying?
Eileen Duroff [:I'll tell you what. Oh, nonprofit profit as in it doesn't make any money?
Norm Murdock [:No. No, hon.
Eileen Duroff [:I don't know. Illegal term.
Norm Murdock [:You do you're on the legal term. You're saying you're saying it's no longer part of state government. It is a separate entity. It's a private entity. Right. And I'm sure it's a non profit.
Eileen Duroff [:Okay. And and you you can do more research on it. It is hard to find much out about it. There's even articles about how you can't find
Norm Murdock [:much about it. I mean,
Eileen Duroff [:there are.
Brett Johnson [:I can
Eileen Duroff [:get you one hit
Brett Johnson [:and you might go home.
Norm Murdock [:I totally believe you, Yamiche. As a nonprofit, a lot of its records are are not accessible. You could not file a FOIA request, let's say, to the Red Cross or to the, you know, the SPCA or whatever. Those are private nonprofit corporations. So the beauty of setting if, you know, if I have this right, if JobsOhio is not no longer a state government agency, the ability for the press to penetrate it The door's closed. The door is closed.
Eileen Duroff [:The door is closed.
Norm Murdock [:Except for their IRS filings if you can get those.
Eileen Duroff [:Wait. Okay. I'm I'm I'm fine with all that. But the bottom line is these guys are out there seeding
Norm Murdock [:Wow.
Eileen Duroff [:Ohio with these. Now I'll give you an example because you brought them up a little bit ago. It was only probably a probably roughly 2 months ago. That, who you out
Norm Murdock [:was rated
Eileen Duroff [:is a yes a a glass I think the world's biggest glass man.
Norm Murdock [:2nd second biggest.
Eileen Duroff [:Yeah. A glass manufacture in the world.
Norm Murdock [:In the world. Right.
Eileen Duroff [:And they were set up a significant I'm sorry. I don't know.
Norm Murdock [:Over in Springfield.
Eileen Duroff [:Over in Springfield. Mhmm. A number of years ago. And recently, they were they are under investigation and they were like 20 plus, locations that were part of this Yeah. Sting operation.
Norm Murdock [:Apartment buildings with like instead of 2 people living in an apartment Oh. They they would have crammed like like 15 people. Yeah. Come on. It's crazy.
Eileen Duroff [:And they
Norm Murdock [:Just like the Croton Aid Farm scandal.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Okay. Only.
Eileen Duroff [:Yeah. Gotcha. And so it was it was, humans smuggling, I believe.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Sure.
Eileen Duroff [:One of it. Money laundry was what they're being looked at. There were just a whole host of things that are being looked at. Now, the day after that story broke, Bernie Marino put out a press release, and said that Sherrod Brown had when this company first showed up, given them a grant for, I believe, $35,000. Now again, why are we in why whether it's whether it's Illuminate USA, whether it's Fuyao's glass company, Why are we incentivizing China to come here to do business? Why are we not incentivizing American business? Right. It's just like to me there was this is just
Norm Murdock [:so so long. There's a big disconnect.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes. Yes. And and also, in in, on a in another article on Phu Yao, one of the state representatives said, you know, that they knew that JobsOhio had also incentivized this company.
Norm Murdock [:Well, for sure. Eileen, we're gonna go on to some our our other news. But but I think it's I think a lot of questions are out there. You know, why did 20,000, you know, Haitians get located in Springfield, for example? Why did Phu Yao get located in Springfield? I'm gonna look at the camera and just note this without making an accusation. It's no secret that governor DeWine is from Springfield. So Yeah. I I you know, just think about that. Think about where the money goes, etcetera.
Brett Johnson [:And you brought up a lot of good things and we'll leave it at that, that do some look do some looking into it. Yeah. Ask some questions.
Norm Murdock [:Well, we're gonna have Eileen back. Let's go into our election predictions.
Brett Johnson [:Okay. Sounds good.
Norm Murdock [:And Eileen, stick around. Feel free to jump in.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:So where are we gonna go first?
Eileen Duroff [:That's pretty timid. I don't know.
Norm Murdock [:Yes. You're definitely a wallflower.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:Brett, what did you predict as far as, whether it was gonna be at the time, January, we predict predicting about Biden versus Trump? Of course, now it's Harris versus Trump.
Brett Johnson [:I don't remember what I did.
Norm Murdock [:Okay. So I
Brett Johnson [:I anyway.
Norm Murdock [:I I predicted Trump was gonna win. Okay. I I remember you predicted there would be no debate between Biden and Trump.
Brett Johnson [:I did. Missed that well.
Norm Murdock [:Well, everybody was blown away that Biden wanted to do one in June Yeah. Which he fouled up. And that's how that's how Harris got in. Exactly. Exactly. The other thing that I predicted and and I think this will happen should Trump win. I think he's gonna win. But if he wins, I also predicted that there would be, you know, riots.
Norm Murdock [:There would be, you know, public, destruction. It would be basically like BLM summer all over again, and I think we're in for that. Mhmm. Yeah. So I I hope I I hope he wins, and I hope it's peaceful. I didn't like the rioting that took place on January 6th. I know Trump, spoke out against it. He said peacefully and patriotically, but some people got carried away.
Norm Murdock [:And I think the reason they got carried away on January 6th is they looked at the preceding summer where BLM was burning down public buildings and doing all this crazy stuff, and those people didn't get arrested. So they figured, well, hell, if the one side can do it, we can do it. And I think it has led to a deterioration in our culture of the respect for the law Right. On you know, by by extremists on both sides. Yeah. But isn't
Eileen Duroff [:there some belief that there were some doors left
Norm Murdock [:over there? To the mic.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes. That there was some enticement going on
Norm Murdock [:Come on up to the mic.
Eileen Duroff [:That there was some enticement going on, and that might have contributed. If you a door gets open, people tend to walk through it.
Norm Murdock [:Well, there was foreign money involved in in financing the riots if that's what you're yes. There definitely was. That's been documented. Sure.
Eileen Duroff [:And and let's just say that the amount of damage done doesn't even approximate what kind of damage we're talking of BLM, putting small businesses out of business and destroying whole neighborhoods. I mean,
Norm Murdock [:this is burned down a police station in Madison. Excuse me. In Minneapolis. They burned down a police station. Right? Nothing like that happened on January 1st.
Eileen Duroff [:No. So this is to me, you know, degrees of wrong and degrees of wrong should be acknowledged rather than made to be equivalent because this is not equivalent in my humble opinion.
Norm Murdock [:Well, other other other things are gonna happen. What do you think about issue 1?
Brett Johnson [:Well, I I was gonna say I'll I'll give a prediction on the election.
Norm Murdock [:And then on Bernie versus share.
Brett Johnson [:I I what I'm thinking is and again, we don't know. It's a crystal ball. I think Harris is gonna win the electoral college. Wow. I think Trump's gonna win
Norm Murdock [:Oh my.
Brett Johnson [:The general popular the the the popular vote.
Norm Murdock [:What about issue 1 in Ohio?
Brett Johnson [:Issue 1 issue 1 is going to pass. Yeah. There's been I
Norm Murdock [:agree with you.
Brett Johnson [:The the those those against it haven't I Yes. From my perspective
Norm Murdock [:It's very have
Brett Johnson [:not have not
Norm Murdock [:Maybe the case.
Brett Johnson [:Made the case.
Norm Murdock [:I agree.
Brett Johnson [:They have not made the case, which bad on them.
Norm Murdock [:It is Seriously. Because it's a real shame.
Brett Johnson [:Because it's an education piece that to understand what you're voting for.
Norm Murdock [:So 10 years ago, Ohio citizens put in an independent redistricting board just 10 years ago. And now they're getting ready to throw that out because the ads, you know, the the miseducation of Ohio voters is that politicians equal bad. And we just talked about some bad politicians doing this, corporate welfare. We had a big discussion just now. But there are also politicians that are against corporate welfare. There are so being a politician isn't necessarily bad or good. It just is. And the one thing about an elected official is you can throw them out if you don't like them.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. This 15 person panel under issue 1 that's gonna be set up is gonna be unaccountable. They're not you if they make a a districting decision that you disagree with, okay, and gerrymander some kind of bizarre district, there is no recourse to go back and throw that person out of office like there is now. You can throw your state representative and your senator out of you vote against them, but you can't vote against this new 15 person panel.
Eileen Duroff [:And it isn't even that simple as a 15 person panel. There are how many steps are there be from the beginning to where you get to the 15 person panel?
Norm Murdock [:It's a joke.
Eileen Duroff [:And what could go wrong?
Norm Murdock [:Oh, yeah.
Eileen Duroff [:You know? So convoluted is
Norm Murdock [:The idea that they're gonna be angel wings, okay, on unelect you know, because they're unelected, somehow they're nobler than elected people. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Well, anyway, the other thing is, let's talk about Bernie versus Sherwood Brown. What do you think on on that?
Brett Johnson [:I think Brown's gonna be in. I think Brown. I'd you know, that it I think he's up do.
Norm Murdock [:I think he's up one point. I think they're saying and Bernie supposed to be closing the gap, but so many Ohio about a third of Ohioans have already voted. Yeah. Mhmm. And those votes are banked. They're already there.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:I know they say the Republicans have done a better job of turning out the early, you know, absentee ballots. Great. I I but did they split the ticket and vote for Trump and then vote for Brown instead of, you know, voting for Bernie? I guess we'll find out. For me, I think it's too close to call. Yeah. I want Yeah. Exactly. We've had Bernie on our show, Eileen.
Norm Murdock [:He he's been down here on the round table. We had him for an hour. And I what I love about that is two things. His superpower is that he is a he came from a foreign country. He was born in Colombia, so he is not eligible for higher office. And he says, that's my superpower. And then the other thing is he was on the board of the term limits movement. So he said, at most, I'll serve 2 terms, and I'm gone.
Norm Murdock [:And he comes from the private sector. So he's not a guy who's been in government his entire life and thinks like a bureaucrat.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes. Just thinks about feels comfortable spending other people's money. Right. I mean, really.
Norm Murdock [:I have some hot news. Yes, it does. I think this is kind of interesting. I call it the garbage wars, and this exploded over this past week. Mhmm. Right? So you have this, this guy who's got a show on, on on, the Internet called, kill Tony. It's ignore it might be the second ever after Joe Rogan, might be the second most popular podcast, they say. And it's a it's a Youngstown comedian, Youngstown, Ohio, comedian, named Tony Hinchcliffe.
Norm Murdock [:And the show is kinda dirty. I've watched the show a couple times with my son, and, you know, it's very gynecological. I mean, it's it's just it's it's locker room humor. Right. And it's and it's gross, and it's, you know, it's not fit for children to watch. So then the children, of course, wanna
Eileen Duroff [:watch it.
Norm Murdock [:Of course. Well yeah. Exactly. So they invite this guy to be the opening act at Trump's Madison Square Garden show. And and Tony from Youngstown tells it's just not even a funny thing, but he said, you know, there's a floating island of garbage in the ocean. Well, yeah, we know that. There's plastic out there. It's like 40 square miles in the middle of the Pacific of all this stuff dumped off of cruise ships and dumped into the ocean.
Norm Murdock [:Anyway, he goes on to say, yeah. And its name is Puerto Rico. And then the whole audience at at Madison Square Garden kinda, like it went silent, and they were like, ugh. You know, like, what a dumb thing to say because Trump obviously needs all the support he can get including the Puerto Rican
Brett Johnson [:deal. Sure.
Norm Murdock [:So, anyway, Trump himself and and, of course, the democrats, they all came out and condemned what was said and disassociated himself from those words. And then Biden, this week, he I'm sure not not coordinating with the Harris campaign, he decides to call all of Trump's supporters. He says, yeah. There's there's a lot of garbage out there floating around, and they're Trump supporters. They're the garbage. So so then the buy the the the democrats immediately said he didn't mean that and and whatever, and Trump's called on Harris to disassociate herself. She hasn't done it yet. But, basically, what has happened now in the garbage wars is that the White House stenographer pool put out a press release yesterday saying when when the White House sent over the transcript to the National Archives under the Presidential Records Act, they changed what Joe Biden said from the garbage referring to Trump supporters to the what what they changed it to is they've added an apostrophe and said he was talking about the garbage coming out of the mouths of Trump supporters.
Norm Murdock [:Well, that's not what he said.
Eileen Duroff [:No.
Norm Murdock [:So, anyway, this is gonna go on. The next 5 days are just gonna be insane. Yeah. They're they're they're just gonna
Brett Johnson [:Well and that's that's a good example of why you've not heard anything from Biden because he's Yeah. About as loose wire as Trump can be Well in regards to just being misunderstood, not speaking clearly. Yeah. Ultimately, both of
Norm Murdock [:them are bad at that. And I think I think he's bitter at the fact that she took the nomination.
Brett Johnson [:It's possible. It's possible.
Eileen Duroff [:That's true. The only thing I wonder is whether he has some mental acuity to actually sabotage, to knowingly sabotage her campaign or is Jill whispering in his ear because she, I have to think, hated how her husband was and continues to be dismissed even though he's still technically the president of the United States.
Norm Murdock [:There is a there is a case she is not popular within her own party. Mhmm. There is a case to be made that Trump being limited to just one more term, that, you know, people like Gavin Newsom, who definitely wants to run for president. Right? They don't wanna wait 8 years before to for 2 Kamala terms.
Brett Johnson [:Mhmm. Okay.
Norm Murdock [:There is a there is a school of thought that Trump comes in. They'll continue to demonize him. They'll continue to try to gridlock him. He'll he will be the big baddie that they can then run against in theory. Right? Like, oh, this last 4 years of of Trump's second term were just horrible. Vote for me, Gavin Newsom. So there is a there's a school of thought that says that that's secretly passive aggressive that a lot of Democrats want her to lose.
Eileen Duroff [:That is possible.
Norm Murdock [:Jeez. Because he'll he Trump Trump will go ahead and do his executive orders, and those can all be undone by the neck just like Biden undid them.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Right. Right.
Eileen Duroff [:Well, can I make another point off of what you said? Yeah. Now forgive me, folks. I don't do names, and I I can see his face. Who's the dude that owns the is it maverick?
Norm Murdock [:Oh, Mark Cuban.
Brett Johnson [:Okay. Both forgot that.
Eileen Duroff [:Let's do Mark Cuban
Norm Murdock [:for a minute. Let's do that.
Eileen Duroff [:Who just Yes. Who just got done, yes I believe yesterday saying that there are no intelligent conservative ladies. Is that close enough?
Norm Murdock [:And also he said
Eileen Duroff [:And that's not a problem. Strong. Strong Yeah. Intelligent conservative women.
Norm Murdock [:Like like as if Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Right?
Eileen Duroff [:Oh, gosh. Right.
Norm Murdock [:Right. She
Eileen Duroff [:needed him for lunch.
Norm Murdock [:Like governor of Arkansas. Like like she is a wallflower.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes. Come on. Well, and any number of other ones that you could name. However, we do not see the left chastising him
Norm Murdock [:No.
Eileen Duroff [:And asking him to do an apology. Yeah. They only want our side to do the apologies. And
Norm Murdock [:He did that on The View, by the way, which is a show hosted by 4 women.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes.
Norm Murdock [:And he's saying he's saying you're all very intelligent and you're all very you're all very strong. Which is like right. And I'm like and I'm like, so are you actually saying that, you know, people like Nikki Haley, you know, who who fought Trump tooth and nail for the nomination, You're actually saying she's not strong and intelligent.
Brett Johnson [:What what's he talking about?
Eileen Duroff [:Well, he that was just a huge mistake, but it still comes back to my point that, you know, they aren't gonna make Biden apologize. They're gonna change his words. But it's always about us eating crow repeatedly, and no matter how much crow they fed us, they'd keep say eat more. So I just think that's again just one more of those moments.
Norm Murdock [:You, Eileen, you very perceptively stole my outrage of the week. Oh. That was I think it's just like in it
Eileen Duroff [:was Does that mean I can't come back?
Norm Murdock [:No. No. No. That means you are you are, like, plugged into the zeitgeist Okay. Of what's what's happening here. I wanted to also just before I forget, you referred to this document. This is part this is on your website.
Eileen Duroff [:No. That particular It's not. All the well, I would say, this is a short version of the key points
Norm Murdock [:On the website.
Eileen Duroff [:That you will get
Norm Murdock [:Okay.
Eileen Duroff [:If you go to keepafa.com, keeepafa.com. But it will also give you and illuminate you on how China works.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Eileen Duroff [:It will because I'll tell you what, and I'll just do this briefly because that's what y'all need to know. China has a military right now that arguably is at least as strong as ours.
Norm Murdock [:Their navy is now bigger.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes. And and that is a huge national security issue. Secondly, they have a gigantic program called, belt and road initiative. And the belt and road initiative, they in in that, they dump massive amount of money into developing countries to loan it to them. So that they the country can produce infrastructure, to make the country stronger. But if the the countries do not pay it back, then China has a capability of just taking it. But more concerning is they're making alliances around the world by doing this, and they are creating military bases closer, new locations
Norm Murdock [:Oh, sure.
Eileen Duroff [:That are closer to America. I mean Well,
Norm Murdock [:for example for example, if I can just jump in. China now, arguably, down in Panama, controls the canal.
Eileen Duroff [:Exactly.
Norm Murdock [:You know?
Eileen Duroff [:And and that
Norm Murdock [:Which I I will remind people. Right? Jimmy Carter gave Panama the right to control that and gave it back to them, so to speak, in a treaty. But America built the damn canal.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes.
Norm Murdock [:Right?
Eileen Duroff [:And should have a say in where it goes. And in addition, you know, China with these alliances is taking a control of the most food productive areas of Africa. Yeah. You know Where there
Norm Murdock [:happens to be lithium mines
Brett Johnson [:Yes.
Norm Murdock [:As well.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes. I mean, and whoever owns food rules. Yeah. You know? So I'm just saying that when you go to this website, keepaffa.com, you will find that there's all kinds of stuff that will should put a light bulb on going, holy cow. These guys, they got an a game. Oh,
Norm Murdock [:sure.
Eileen Duroff [:And we better know what it is or we can't even counter it.
Norm Murdock [:Well, Mal had all his famous 10 year 20 year plans. Right? He did. But they they don't think in the short term. They think long term. You know, it so at this point in the program, we always also after we do the outrage, Brett, did you have an outrage?
Brett Johnson [:Just the total political scene.
Eileen Duroff [:Oh. Are
Norm Murdock [:you sick? I I I couldn't be more sick of all the ads
Brett Johnson [:at all. And luckily, my wife and I choose a lot of media that has no ads, and and the ones that I have been watching it with the ads, and it's like, oh
Norm Murdock [:my god. The Hallmark's channel.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Joking. I'm actually watching some Hulu and and it's like, oh my god. There are the ads. Oh, yes. I forgot how bad this was.
Norm Murdock [:You know? Sort
Brett Johnson [:of thing. So I've been fairly insulated of the lies. Do you know of of the ads.
Norm Murdock [:This is how outrageous it's gotten. Apparently, it there was a headline in I think it was in Bloomberg because I was reading your article.
Eileen Duroff [:Okay. But,
Norm Murdock [:that the the Harris campaign and I don't know probably others are advertising on, porno pornography jamming.
Brett Johnson [:Get out of it. Really? Wow.
Norm Murdock [:I mean, is that is that not crazy or what? That is.
Eileen Duroff [:Thinking about her origins, doesn't it almost seem appropriate
Norm Murdock [:in the
Eileen Duroff [:in political world?
Norm Murdock [:What a function. Yeah.
Eileen Duroff [:No. Really.
Brett Johnson [:Interesting. No. Wonderfully out a wonderful wonderful stuff. 2 things actually. So on election day, I've I didn't this is good. I'm I'm I like this is there, but you don't think about it that, your boss is required to let you go vote in Ohio. Good. They cannot stop you for allowing you to have ample time to go vote.
Brett Johnson [:Okay. So if your boss is pushing back
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. It's illegal.
Brett Johnson [:Okay. You you're allowed
Norm Murdock [:Okay.
Brett Johnson [:To go and also I thought this was interesting. So the question is if someone votes early and dies before election day in Ohio, does that vote count? It does. Good. They're not gonna, you know, go search
Norm Murdock [:it out,
Brett Johnson [:that sort of thing. So if
Norm Murdock [:you Interesting.
Brett Johnson [:So then that's Mhmm. And that's from LaRosa's office saying, you know, typically
Norm Murdock [:Secretary of state, Frank LaRosa.
Brett Johnson [:We're not gonna go. Search it up, you know. But anyway, I thought those were two positive things that you were gonna go vote, go vote. My man, no one can stop you.
Norm Murdock [:Do you have a wonderful thing?
Eileen Duroff [:I I have a really important thing on the voting.
Norm Murdock [:Okay.
Eileen Duroff [:I talked to a, state central committee gal yesterday
Brett Johnson [:Okay.
Eileen Duroff [:And there is some, it's, sit some, folks have seen where their ballot has changed. So when you go to turn your ballot in, it would be a good idea to make sure, you know, check your machine.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, I see what you're saying.
Eileen Duroff [:Make sure nothing has changed, you know, just don't punch it in.
Norm Murdock [:There's that review panel.
Eileen Duroff [:There's a review Go through that. Review carefully
Norm Murdock [:And make sure.
Eileen Duroff [:And make sure nothing flipped.
Norm Murdock [:Gotcha.
Eileen Duroff [:That's really important. It won't take you but a minute longer, but it's an important minute.
Norm Murdock [:And the other thing is since so many Ohioans voted, ahead of time, you know, mail mail ballot, there is a tracking system that you can make sure that it it that it was received, okay, and that, you know, therefore it was counted.
Eileen Duroff [:Yes.
Norm Murdock [:So you there is a way to track that. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:And you'll get an email notification too that they received it. Yes. So, you know
Norm Murdock [:If you give them an email. Right. Because you you could just do a phone number if you wanted to.
Brett Johnson [:Whatever it might be. Yep.
Norm Murdock [:My wonderful thing is and I love this. As a young man, I was just, obsessed with how beautiful this political commentator was on the other side of the aisle. But feminist Naomi Wolf, who Jewish, beautiful, woman, you know, she was on night line with Ted Koppel back in the day when I was in college. She was, if you will, part of that 3rd wave of feminism, you know, replacing Bella and, you know, Gloria Steinem and all of the the her predecessors. And, she, on Steve Bannon show, has endorsed Trump. And the reason her primary reason, it she went to a meeting in New York City and heard him talk about Israel. And clearly, he's no Hitler. He is a friend of the Jewish people.
Norm Murdock [:And number 2 oh, well, his family is part Jewish. I mean, he's got a daughter and a son-in-law and grandchildren that are Jewish. Too. But she said the main reason that she can no longer be part of the Democratic party as it is today is that they suppressed her speech. She cannot get over the idea that people were deplatformed during COVID. And she wanted to point out and in in her columns, in in her in her, social media posts, she wanted to point out that the vaccines and this is just a matter of fact, this is not an opinion that they were not they didn't go through human trials. That it was rolled out. It was an experiment on the human beings.
Norm Murdock [:And there are other people, including holocaust survivors, who will note that the Nuremberg laws passed after World War 2 prevented unknowing experimentation on human beings. And and the COVID vaccines were every bit of that because you were forced if you were in the military or if you were a military contractor or a nurse or a doctor, you were forced to take that vaccine. And even a religious exemption was we didn't hold up for most people.
Eileen Duroff [:Right.
Norm Murdock [:And so she is flipping, to vote for Trump. Now I don't know if she's gonna become a Republican, but I think it's amazing and it shows the big tent that he's built. He's got people like Elon Musk who was a Democrat. Trump himself was a Democrat. Trump's wife is is pro abortion. Right? So he is not excluding people from his tent. Even if he you and I might disagree with any number of of some of these people on other issues. But the fundamental thing about the United States sorry.
Norm Murdock [:I'm making a speech. But the big thing to me that everything else comes from, right, is the first amendment, the right to free speech. Eileen, if she cannot go down and freely speak at a public meeting the the right to free assembly and the right to speak, then you know, what what can the people of Pataskala ever do or ever say to try to influence events in their local community?
Brett Johnson [:So Nice way to wrap this up. Wow. Did you see that little bowie just
Eileen Duroff [:That's right.
Brett Johnson [:Right there or there? That's right.
Eileen Duroff [:Well, we wouldn't be here without the First Amendment, and it's important we all vote properly so we can continue to be here. And you can learn more. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:Thanks for coming. I think we are having you back for sure. Okay. Yeah. This is such a huge talk. And and I think Brett's point about bringing in some of the allegiance Let's
Brett Johnson [:just see let's learn how this legislation gets made. What's the process, how can we continue to support it, understand what's going on, keep monitoring it that it doesn't get modified.
Norm Murdock [:Let's put well, or gets modified in the right way. Right. Exactly. Let's put a no NDA or visor. Yeah. It was kind of stuff
Brett Johnson [:and change what what's the best percentage of the get away get away from the 51.49. Right. What and and and also the the ghost in the machine about, okay, if it's down to 35, okay, still what's 35? We need to see the 35%.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Brett Johnson [:You know, whatever the case might be. Whatever the
Norm Murdock [:case might be. Whatever the case might be.
Brett Johnson [:I think it'd be great.
Norm Murdock [:I think
Brett Johnson [:it'd be great. So that's, that'll do it for this week. Common Sense Ohio show dot com. Everything you need to know about us will be there. Thanks.
