What if success didn’t have to come at the cost of your health, joy, or authenticity?

In this inspiring episode of Beyond the Pills, host Josh Rimany sits down with Tricia Keightley; a visionary entrepreneur, author, and coach who has spent over fourteen years helping people and businesses bring their boldest ideas to life. As the founder of Webworks and Portrayals XR, Tricia merges strategy, creativity, and neuroscience-backed healing to create immersive transformational experiences.

But Tricia’s story isn’t just about innovation in business; it’s about living fully. From paddleboarding on crystal-clear water to savoring life’s little luxuries, Tricia is proof that you can design a life that is both wildly successful and deeply meaningful.

This conversation is an exploration of how we redefine success and healing in today’s world. Tricia shares her journey of entrepreneurship, motherhood, and adventure, all while building companies that change how people experience transformation.

Listen to discover:

• Bold Living: Why bringing your ideas into the world requires courage, authenticity, and a willingness to fail forward.
• The Science of Transformation: How neuroscience, creativity, and immersive technologies like Portrayals XR unlock new levels of healing.
• Adventure as Medicine: Why stepping into nature, play, and exploration can restore balance and ignite creativity.
• Authenticity & Wonder: How leading with these two principles allows us to create lives that are not just successful, but deeply fulfilling.

“Life can be both wildly successful and deeply meaningful when we lead with authenticity and wonder.” – Tricia Keightley

If you’ve ever felt like you’re chasing success but losing yourself in the process, this episode will stop you in your tracks. Tricia challenges the idea that achievement requires burnout or sacrifice. Instead, she offers a new model for living and working—one that merges soul, science, and strategy.

• Imagine building a business that doesn’t drain you, but actually fuels your vitality.
• Imagine experiencing healing not just in a clinic, but in nature, through creativity, and through immersive experiences that awaken your senses.
• Imagine success defined not by external validation, but by alignment with your truest self.

Through her work with Portrayals XR, Tricia shows us that healing and transformation can be immersive, playful, and deeply personal. Her approach combines the rigor of neuroscience with the artistry of storytelling and the wisdom of holistic living.

“Your boldest ideas are not accidents—they are invitations to step into the life you’re meant to create.” – Tricia Keightley

This isn’t just theory. Tricia has lived it. As a devoted mom, entrepreneur, and adventurer, she knows the balancing act firsthand. Her message is clear: we don’t have to choose between ambition and joy, or between success and health. We can design lives and businesses that honor both.

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“Success is not about doing more—it’s about becoming more aligned.” – Tricia Keightley

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Welcome back to Beyond the Pills.

Today,

I am honored to sit down with Tricia

Keatley, a visionary entrepreneur, author,

and coach who has spent

over fourteen years helping

people and businesses bring

back their boldest ideas into life.

She's the founder of

Webworks and Portrayals XR,

where she merges strategy, creativity,

and neuroscience-backed

healing to create truly

immersive transformational experiences.

Beyond her work,

Tricia is an adventurer at heart.

I like those.

Drawn to national parks,

paddle boarding on crystal clear water,

and savoring life's little luxuries.

She's also a devoted mom and

a deep thinker who believes

that life can be both

wildly successful and deeply

meaningful when we lead

with authenticity and wonder.

Today, we're gonna explore her journey,

her work with PortrayalsXR

and her mission to reshape

how entrepreneurs and

companies approach wellness, healing,

and peak vitality.

Welcome to the show, Trisha.

Thanks for having me.

It's so nice to have

like-minded people in that space,

especially the adventurer in you.

Just had a podcast with

someone that merges

adventure with retreats.

It was so fun.

So let's just get started.

Your bio describes both an

entrepreneur and a healer.

How do these two sort of

paths come together in your life?

Yeah,

so I believe it is because when

you're an entrepreneur,

you end up finding out very

quickly that you need

personal development.

You need healing.

You need the things that are

going to actually get you

forward because a lot of

times you end up in this situation.

glass ceiling, right?

And you're like, okay, what's going on?

And then you start identifying, hopefully,

right?

You start identifying your

limiting beliefs and really

become a different,

like be able to get to that next level.

So the idea is,

is that whenever I have

stepped into this new role,

I'm really stepping into my

purpose of why I actually came here.

So it's been an incredible

journey for sure.

Yeah.

And we have that same

Right.

You know,

I think the all and I love what

you said is like, you know, entrepreneurs,

we need growth.

We need healing.

Like there's there's it's

it's so we can get to that

authenticity like that,

what the real magic is.

And you've been you've been

building businesses for fourteen years.

And so what defining moment

shifted you towards

creating the portrayals XR

and this immersive healing?

Yeah, so it was a divine idea.

Middle of the night, you know,

it's always that like lucid

dreaming three o'clock in the morning.

And I woke up and I got this

idea that I was supposed to

create an inner child

healing experience in virtual reality.

And of course, in that moment, I was like,

I have no idea what to do here.

I don't know anything about

virtual reality.

And I've been doing inner child healing,

but I've never really

thought about bringing to

life in a real environment like that.

So that was definitely a shift.

And that was three years ago.

And I think the market

wasn't quite ready for what

we're doing now,

but it absolutely is ready now.

So it's just a really,

really exciting time.

uh I call them downloads

right it's just that that

vision you had like you

didn't know much about

virtual reality you didn't

really understand but it

came to you and you're like

this is what I'm supposed

to do talk to us a little

bit about how that sort of

unfolded and then let's

dive in because I think

this is the perfect merging

of ancient wisdom and

modern science so it's like

perfect for our topic of

conversation for today

because that's what we do in this show

So tell us a little bit.

Oh, you get the download.

You're like, well, okay.

Well, that just happened.

Most people just think of

them as whiffs or like ideas, you know,

or they just,

and then they sort of fade

out into the fun set.

But this, this stuck,

this kind of moved forward, right?

Tell us a little bit about

how all that played out for you.

Yeah, I would actually like,

I would like almost want to love them.

I just love having these stories here.

I think the thing for me is

like kind of rewinding

before it ever even happened.

They're like, why me?

Right.

Because that's what came up is like, why?

Why is this been, you know,

blessed upon me?

So I believe so about fourteen years ago,

I did start my own personal

development journey and it

was read every book I could

getting a neuro linguistic

programming practitioner certification,

you know,

doing inner child healing certifications,

obviously going to therapy.

Right.

That was kind of like the

turning point in my life

was I was talking to a life

coach and she was like, oh,

you actually need to go see a therapist.

You need to do CMDR to do

something to kind of get

past that trauma that

happened to you when you were a kid.

And so that was kind of like

that rock bottom.

Oh my gosh, what am I supposed to do here?

So I did the EMDR, went to a therapist and,

um,

It was amazing.

It helped me really get to a

place where I didn't have

emotions tied to some of

the trauma that happened to me as a kid,

which is amazing.

But I think that the whole

idea of all the things that

I've done for myself over the time,

right?

Reading the books about ancient wisdom.

I mean,

I will barely pick up a book

anymore unless it is about

some sort of spirituality or wisdom.

And I'm reading, oh gosh,

Frances Scovel Shin right now.

And it is amazing.

I absolutely love her.

She brings a whole new spin

on spirituality.

And so it's reading all the

books over the last

fourteen years and really

knowing that I can make

this happen and really

figuring out the belief in

myself to create this

multi-million dollar business.

I'm used to my web design

and branding agency that, you know,

of course,

it's six figures and it's done great.

It supported my family over

the last fourteen years and, you know,

as a single mom.

And so it's like the the

idea of this business is

completely different.

So I'm stepping into this

like like a new identity

that is completely

different than what I'm used to.

And so the you know,

in that moment when I got

that Devine download, it's like, you know,

I went

Next,

I went to a local VR studio and talked to,

because they developed VR as well.

And I just kind of started

going through the steps and

the idea after that for

about a year and a half,

just like stewing, right?

Like, how am I going to make this happen?

Well,

then all of a sudden I get on TikTok

and I'm like, oh my gosh.

They are literally bringing

photos to life now.

That's what they're doing.

This is what we are wanting to do.

And so that's why we're in

development right now with

the inner child hand and

bringing a photo of you as

a child and bringing it to life.

in a real environment, real, right?

Like a,

but with a real background and your

actual photo,

and then we're actually

doing it for grief as well.

So you can bring back

somebody to life that maybe

they passed away really

quickly and you didn't get to say goodbye,

creates that closure in your body.

So we have quite a few

different ways we're going

to be using it.

And our rollout that we're

getting ready to roll out

right now is a little bit more AI based.

So.

We can dive into that if we end up there,

but that's kind of where we're at.

And that's where we're going, right?

We're going with these

immersions and we're

creating these things.

But what fascinated me about

our conversation prior to

this recording was you're

bringing it into this space

so we can go back into the

neuroscience of the healing in this space

new light,

right EMDR neuro linguistic programming,

we've talked a lot about

all of these modalities of

healing trauma.

And now we're you,

you've hit this little

space where we are taking,

like all of those are really good,

right with those are really

necessary pieces that people can use.

But this tool is

is like no other.

It's like we're literally

using these technologies to

create a reality that can't

be created in other ways, right?

You can't just imagine these things.

We're a visual seeking people.

And so talk to us a little bit.

So for someone new to this,

because it's brand new, right?

How would you describe what

this immersive healing

experience actually feels like?

Yeah,

so I think the like on the

neuroscience level of it, right?

It's like you get to go back.

And you get to change your

story because your brain

right now doesn't know that

whatever's happening right

in front of you is not

actually happening right now.

It's like you can get triggered, right?

Something happening in your

life and your body, literally your chest,

you start breathing fast,

your chest gets heavy, whatever, you know,

whatever it is that happens to you.

And so your body thinks that

it's happening again.

So it's storing that over

and over again in your subconscious,

right?

So I think that idea with

what we're doing is we're

trying to create this

environment that feels so

real that it creates this

major emotion in your body

that actually creates a

healing aspect because of

the idea of the

subconscious reprogramming.

So whenever you do the

subconscious reprogramming,

it's like you have a couple

of different repetitions, right?

what's been trained for the

last forty years or however

long it's been.

And so the idea about what

we're doing is that it

creates a moment of this

major emotion that changes

that story of your life

because when you can't go

back and talk to that child

and make them feel seen, loved,

heard and safe,

then that's you as an adult

becoming more emotionally

regulated because you've

not the things that you

needed when you were little.

And so that's the idea is the feeling,

right?

The deep,

immersive feeling that is going

to make a massive impact

versus going to talk

therapy and just talking

about it over and over again,

which can actually do the opposite,

right?

It can retrain your

subconscious over and over

again into the trauma if

you talk about it

over and over again.

Because every time your chest gets heavy,

every single time you start

to feel anxious,

that's retraining your

subconscious to say this is normal.

And this is where I want to stay.

So they the idea is to

create that that major

emotion and feeling in the in an instant.

Well, and that's, that's the breakthrough,

because, you know, the neuroscience and,

and the meditative works

and all the things we know

now as true is attaching that feeling

to the experience which

triggers the you can call

it an energy release you

can call it a a healing

response it's it's the it's

attaching the emotion and

the feeling to the

experience which this in

innately does right there's no there's no

you can't fake this, right?

You, you bring it to life and it's, it's,

it's in that space when, and I don't,

I don't,

I haven't been in a ton of VR experiences,

but I'm, I'm imagining this, right?

And I've done some with my

girls and when you're in

those experiences, you,

you literally feel you're there, right?

You're literally there.

So if you can talk to your

your inner child, your little child,

or you can bring back these

loved ones in these ways that,

like you said,

the mind doesn't know the

difference between what

you're seeing and perceiving and,

like you said,

rewriting that story in that instant,

which is super cool and amazing.

I think it's... How...

Where are you in the process now?

I kind of want to know.

You're going through this process.

You're putting this thing out there.

Are you leaning towards

doing this with clinicians?

Where are you with the process?

Yeah.

So the inner child healing

experience is in development.

So our, we will be doing like,

there's a program called

IFS and they are inner

child healing specialists,

basically like Carl Young coined the term,

like created all of them, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so the idea is to

behavioral health systems,

wellness centers, therapists,

life coaches,

because I know a lot of life

coaches that lead people

through these inner child

healing experiences.

And some of them,

it's kind of like that life coach told me,

no, you actually go to a therapist.

So that's going to be

something that we really

have to pay attention to.

And we're going to do that

through biofeedback when

people are in the experience.

So in the process of

developing that inner child

healing experience,

we have actually started

figuring out through

talking to therapists and

life coaches that there's a

big gap in between sessions, right?

Because you're triggered in

between sessions.

The things that happen that

are the time from your left

to the therapist's office

till you go back in, that therapist,

you're not really able to

talk to them during that time.

So we're filling that gap in between.

So we have an AI that we're

building called Clara and

we are testing her right

now and she is a very

conscious therapist.

conscious AI that is built

to make the difference in

between the sessions of appointments.

So whenever you need that

quick answer to be able to

get on a different loop, because,

you know, like subconsciously programming,

we're like this, right?

We're in this cycle.

Well,

then all of a sudden you're triggered

and you need a way to get off the loop,

but you don't have your

therapist sitting in front

of you or your life coach.

And so this is going to help

people get off of that.

So the idea is,

is that we are training

Clara as the conscious AI and

that is from the ancient

wisdom those the

neuropsychology the

neuroscience and

subconscious reprogramming

and then we're going to

have therapists and life

coaches come in and be able

to actually train their own

ai so that way it's in

their voice so they're

Client know,

love and trust them will

actually be able to hit

their AI and make a really,

really big difference.

So it's bridging that gap in

between sessions so we can

create a little bit more

impactful healing than just

going and talking to your

therapist a week.

And, you know,

even possibly like taking

medication to cover up the anxiety or the,

you know, the depression.

We want people to go root of the cause,

figure that out, do the deep healing,

and then some of those

prescriptions may not be needed.

I love that.

And we'll get into the deep

prescribing because that's

what we do in this show.

We try to figure those things out.

But I love that space of having that

what do you do in between

the visits we're not

replacing or with ai we're

using these as tools to

move us through it's

similar similar to like a

health coach and

accountability partner it's

like someone that something

comes up and we use these

as bridges gaps so I love

that I love that concept

because we're using that a

lot and I feel in the

wellness and healing world

this is where I feel AI is,

can be a really good place, right?

To be a placeholder until

you can get that experience

with your guide or practitioner.

So that's amazing.

So you, like, like you said, you've moved,

your work has been moving

people out of talk therapy

and off prescription medications.

Can you share why that's so

important to you?

think that I mean when you

think about going you know

obviously prescription

medications right like

whenever you think about

that you're just covering

up the issues you know

better than anybody else

right and I think that the

idea is to talk therapy I

just don't want people to

take the years that I've

created or like that I've

taken to create this place

of peacefulness inside

And I want people to be able

to feel that way and know

that it's possible.

And I don't think

prescription medication and

talk therapy is the way to get there.

I think we have a horrible

mental health crisis in

this country and globally.

And nothing's really changing.

You think about like all the technology.

There's so many technologies

going in different.

Well,

where is technology in mental health?

you know we're just creating

more pills to make things

different that actually

create more problems in

your body and then you have

to eventually take more

prescriptions as well so I

think the the passion

definitely comes from the

download right like this

was meant for me person and

I just really like my why

is to create generational

change from my family

Multi dimensionally, you know,

my parents and my children.

So that way,

my legacy is like it's leaving

this the legacy of what

almost like what not to do, you know,

and this legacy of let's

create a whole new pattern.

So we don't have to get

stuck on the old one

because I did I started

recreating my mother's life at one point.

And the moment that I

realized that I was like, oh, my gosh,

I've got to do something different.

I literally like looked in

my backseat and see my kids in the back.

And one of them was at a

friend's house on New

Year's Eve one night.

And I was like, oh, my gosh,

this this is my mom's life.

She's got two older daughters.

She's got one younger son.

She's been married once.

She's getting married twice.

Like this is this is a pattern.

And so I think that's the

the passion behind it is

the the generational change.

We share that mission, right?

Like the mission of healing

generational traumas, that loop,

that karmic loop that

continues to repeat until

we get that lesson learned, right?

And so I love how you've

made that bigger than you, right?

Bigger than this.

And it's attached to your personal mission,

which is how I think things

really change.

how passion develops, right?

How our purpose develops is

when we're rooted into

doing it for ourselves so

we can do it for others, right?

That's sort of the wounded

healer's journey, if you will.

And that's what we're all on

in this space and looking

at from that perspective.

And I love, you know, I think

the word evolution keeps coming to me,

like moving through these things,

like talk therapy,

prescription medications,

they've served us for a purpose,

but now we're moving beyond that,

like beyond the pills.

There's a beyond here

because talk therapy does

not get to the subconscious, right?

Pills certainly don't,

you know, we're not downplaying.

I never want people to think

on this podcast,

like they should just get

off all their medicines and

quit their things like they're,

they're useful.

But if we're really moving towards healing,

not curing, but healing things,

Medications generally more

often than not are symptom resolutions,

right?

They're symptom resolvers.

And at best,

especially when we're talking

mental health,

mild to moderate depression and anxiety,

the pills really don't

stand up to placebo at all.

Like you can look at the

studies about Prozac versus exercise.

they're equal or exercise

may be better so we have to

move through these

processes to say these are

and I I know you share this

vision that's why you're on

this podcast but like we

don't need to go down that

programming where

You have some feelings and

emotions coming up,

and then all of a sudden, take a pill,

go to a therapist.

That's the standard.

I'm not bashing them.

We want to make sure,

but there is more here.

This is where we're at.

I wanted to...

bring that to light because it's the same,

but in a different way now,

like in this way, in the neuroscience way,

in the healing of trauma ways,

we got to go deeper.

And this is just one of

those tools that I feel is,

it fits perfectly where we are today,

right?

Technology, AI, these tools.

And so that's that beautiful

thing that we've got here with that.

so yeah you're in beta

you're testing these things

out you're working through

them you're partnering with

the right people that you

feel can supplant this into

the the equation already

right you know these you

know internal family

systems and these kind of

therapists that are already

working in that space um

What transformations have

you seen or witnessed when entrepreneurs,

especially entrepreneurs or teams,

experience this kind of

model that you're looking at building?

Yeah.

So do you mean like the

model of the business or

the model of healing journey?

Well,

I want you to bring this in because

you work a lot with entrepreneurs, right?

And so part of the impact of

healing somebody is also...

I feel unleashing the ripple

effect of them, right?

Like we share that agreement.

So I want you to, in your light, you know,

you've gone through your

own journeys and you're

helping these entrepreneurs

in these new ways.

What have you seen happen

from that perspective,

from your side of it?

Yeah,

so a lot of it has to do with your

identity, right?

So it's like that whole saying, as within,

so without.

Whatever's going on with you

internally is literally

showing up in your life.

So the idea of maybe I only

picture myself as a

six-figure business owner.

And so I'm going to stay

stuck here until I realize

that there's another way.

And like changing your, you know,

you have to change your

personality to change your

personal reality, right?

You get to this place where

that self-identity has to

step into that new role.

And entrepreneurs, I mean,

we become entrepreneurs

because we want freedom.

Well,

what is being a startup business owner?

It creates the exact opposite.

We're totally tied to our email.

We're tied to everything

that's going on in the business.

We're not thinking about how

to scale it at the very beginning of it.

We're only thinking about

being a solopreneur and

doing the accounting,

doing all of the things in the business,

wearing all the hats.

Whereas whenever you can

broaden your horizon a bit

and think that there are

other people that might be

better than you at being an accountant or,

you know,

being a copywriter or web design

or whatever it is,

and really just investing

in your business, you know, monetarily,

and of course your time,

you really start to figure

out how to scale.

And so the idea, which I would have,

I wish I would have known this,

years ago with my web

design and branding agency,

I wish that I would have thought, okay,

how do I get myself out of the business?

How do I become the CEO and

let other people do all of

the data tasks?

And I never really thought about it.

So until probably about

three or four years ago,

And so the idea of this business,

it started out completely different.

We have two advisors on our board.

We have an AI engineer that

we're working very closely with.

And I have a CEO.

So I'm not alone anymore, right?

So whenever you're thinking

about having a business, you're never,

and I should not say never,

but more often than not,

you're not going to become

a multimillionaire if that's your dream.

by being a one-man show,

by doing everything in your business.

So when you can really

create that self-identity

inside of yourself,

and it's almost like we

have to unpack things, right?

It's like the healing is

underneath all that

self-identity and the

subconscious reprogramming

that we've gotten from our

family and society of

people telling you how you should be.

But when you can unpack some

of that and really get down

to the root of the subconscious,

which controls ninety five

percent of what you're doing every day.

I mean,

I want to be in control of that

ninety five percent,

not the five percent of my

conscious mind.

So the idea is, is that we uncover,

we start filling those

inner layers and then the

sky's the limit.

The possibilities are just infinite.

And so whenever you can see

a business owner just kind

of break out of that shell,

it's absolutely amazing.

And I think what I really

loved what you said is like

shortening that experience, right?

Not having to go and figure

it out for fourteen years.

That's what coaches are.

That's what guides are.

It's like we want to compress time,

money and energy,

especially in this world of AI,

where businesses are

already going to be

strained to get the edge

and working through.

And I love how you're

blending that entrepreneurial vision

working on it, not in it,

and building that out,

but from the place of

wholeness and healing, right?

Like, yeah, I've been in business myself,

seventeen years,

and I've gone through my

own healing journey,

especially over the past year.

And now I'm in that same space of like,

how do we teach

entrepreneurs that their

biggest investment in their

business is themselves?

And I love teaching

entrepreneurs to treat themselves,

treat their bodies, their mind,

their energy,

like they've treated their business.

Because that's to me that

that's where I start to get

them to really open up and

think about it from an

investment perspective.

We're entrepreneurs.

What's the number one asset

in your company?

You.

you know,

and we never think of it that way.

We never point fingers this

way because we're always

trying to figure out and do.

And so I love that you

brought that to almost a,

it's not even a pillar.

It's really the forefront of

the entrepreneurial journey.

So I know that we share that, that vision.

So it's beautiful to see

because these technologies

get us there quicker, faster with less,

less,

energy less less less of

what we need to do in order

to make this because

sometimes this takes it can

take years it can take you

know I went to peru and

back I did all the things I

needed to do because that

was my journey and here's

just another tool where

people can can use this and

work through that which

then in turn helps

Lower health care costs,

retaining top talent, you know,

all the building resilience, you know,

all the things that we talk

about in this world that

gives us those that human

edge in our businesses is

now just getting multiplied in a quicker,

easier fashion.

Yes, yes.

And that's, I mean,

that's where I really want

to co create with the therapist,

the coaches, the wellness centers.

And I mean,

that's we don't ever want to be

replacing anyone.

I mean, our system, actually,

like if your heart rate gets too high,

it'll shut down,

it'll go into meditation.

And so and it'll tell you like,

maybe you need to go see a

therapist or a life coach,

we are really pushing that

to be at the forefront.

And

There's been some things in

the news lately that are

just quite disturbing

whenever it comes to AI and

what's going on.

I've heard a couple of

stories now of boys that

have been talking to AI

about suicidal thoughts.

And AI actually...

was pushing them towards

that edge right and that's

the main difference is that

we have a moral code that

is our foundation so that

doesn't happen because that

has been weighing on me a

lot lately and the idea of

I don't ever want anybody

to be using clara or any

other ai digital twins that

we're building for from a

purpose of hurting that bad

and that's when they really

do need to go seek you know

hotline the nine eight eight hotline or

you know,

really going and seeking the

therapy or psychiatrist or

whatever it may be.

So I think co-creating this

and really embracing AI is

where we're at.

So it's like the people that

don't embrace it,

they're going to get left

behind a little bit because

of the fact that it is where we are.

And tons of businesses are

using AI in different ways.

And it can be very,

very resourceful and a positive thing.

Yeah, and it's agreed, agreed.

They a lot of people just

don't know where to start.

You know,

there's some amazing things happening.

The world is shifting so rapidly from it.

And I love how people like

you are really putting the

emphasis on using it for the right tools,

using these things for the right reasons,

because we're not replacing

or not moving forward because

AI is awesome and it's still

in its infancy.

So there's things that it

doesn't do for us that we think it does.

And then all of a sudden,

it'll talk you into anything

because it's going to be

your buddy for a while, you know?

And so it's like,

it's unleashing all of this information,

but it has to be done in a

sequential way that benefits us as humans,

right?

And moves us forward and

allows us to deepen our human experience,

I believe.

I feel like part of AI is

really here for us to

not do less work, but do different work,

explore our consciousness,

explore the ways and

manners in which we're

supposed to be these divine

humans living this beautiful experience.

Because we have these senses,

we have these things that

we have these gifts that we can unlock.

Like you said,

ninety five percent of of our of our

reality is in that

subconscious space and now

we're bringing up these

other things same thing

with the neuroscience if

you you want to unlock more

than five or ten percent of

that beautiful brain of

yours now we're here to go

explore and do these things

so maybe it's my opinion

but it's the one I love you

know I want to use ai for

these tools so I can do

more of those things

And you said it earlier, I'm just curious,

because you say you

describe yourself as a

voracious reader and

reading all of these books

and a deep thinker like me.

What ideas or books or

practices are most

inspiring you right now?

Oh, gosh.

So Breaking the Habit of

Being Yourself by Dr. Joe Dispenza.

I just got done with that

book and it actually been

sitting on my shelf for

probably about four or five years.

But I don't think I was

ready for it yet because I

think we really books are

put in front of us when we're ready.

And I think I probably read

a couple of pages like, oh,

this sounds just like

Becoming Supernatural,

his other book that I had read.

And then I was like, you know, just now,

probably I started that a

few months ago and was like, oh, wow, no,

this is completely different.

It's amazing.

And then that Florence Scovel Shin, she,

I mean,

I've actually been listening to

her YouTube videos as well

as reading her book.

because I'm a total dork

like total deep thinker

total scholar whenever it

comes to this stuff but I

in the car every once in a

while listen to my music

and sing really loud and

take the top off my jeep

and have a beautiful heaven

on earth experience right

but sometimes I actually

sit in the car and I will

just listen to youtube videos that are

Neville Goddard.

I love him as well.

I bring this whole, like, again,

it's ancient wisdom.

It's wisdom that, you know,

they were taught by some of

the most amazing people.

So whenever you read these books,

it goes back so far.

And then, of course,

we have in our times now, you know,

we've heard a lot about Jim

Rohn from Tony Robbins and, you know,

those things.

But their teachers are those teachers of

The Neville Goddards, the, you know,

the Florence Scovel Shin, the, oh gosh,

I'm trying to think of the

other guy's name that I've

been reading a lot lately,

but I can't think of it right now.

Oh, the like Conversations with God,

you know, the Neil Donald Walsh.

So those are,

they're reference from so

many people from that ancient wisdom.

And so I just, I love all the,

all the spirituality books.

Yeah, me too.

It's, it's my happy reading, you know,

it's like, I'm not reading novels and,

you know,

um fiction it's like that's

my happy space like just

just grabbing another book

and moving it yeah then

that breaking the habit of

being yourselves great book

I've read it twice now I'm

I'm doing a lot of training

with under dr joe and doing

some stuff because he's

putting that contemporary

language into the that's

what I I'm drawn to now

this sort of full circle of

like I've learned all the

science but now I'm going back

and really studying

indigenous wisdom and

healers all over the world.

And those ancient wisdom is

really timeless wisdom that

we're now putting full

circle into the equation of

our technology and our

advancements of our intelligence,

moving it into more of the knowing.

you know,

moving from here to here and

merging the two together in

this beautiful light is really fun.

Like,

I feel like we're in this beautiful

space where we're not going

back to the ancients,

but we're remembering, you know,

the shamans of old and all these guys,

like they were telling us

stuff about quantum physics.

They just didn't call it that, right?

And so now we're bringing it

back into our left brain

and understanding it from

that perspective.

And so now this is why I

love having conversations

with beautiful people and humans like you,

because we are right now

putting them together.

It's not, oh,

we have to go back to the old

or we're going into the

future with this new stuff.

It's like literally fused together.

And I think humans, humanity is ready.

Like this is why it's coming up, right?

There's no, nothing is by chance.

And so we're bringing this

to light and moving forward

with how beautiful these things are.

So I want to circle back

because I think a lot of

people are going to have questions,

right?

How far out are you to

bringing this to the mainstream,

to bringing this to our three-D reality,

the portrayals and the things?

Where do you see this?

Where are you today?

Like what's coming?

So we can, you know,

obviously understand where we are with it,

but then where is it going to go?

What do you think?

What do you think in five years from now?

What are we saying?

Yeah.

So, I mean, we are right now, Clara AI,

the conscious neuropsychology, all that,

it piled into one AI will, oh my goodness,

be done within a month from now.

So we're super excited about that.

And then, gosh, I mean,

fast forward five years.

I mean,

we will have our inner child

healing experience done.

And I think the thing is

that it's going to be so

different than any of the,

any of the other virtual

reality therapy that's out

there because they're using

like digitized avatars and

simulated backgrounds.

And ours is going to be a

very real background.

And it's going to be

literally a photo brought

to life in a video.

So and of course,

it's taking a little bit longer, right,

to create a custom model

because you can do it on

TikTok and or on these different apps.

And but you only have ten second videos.

We need a ten minute video.

So that's you know,

we're in development of that now.

And then a lot of things are

going to be based around that.

But by the time five years goes around,

we will have like a higher

self consciousness as well

to where that higher self

will be able to sit next to

you and talk to you.

And you can ask questions

and be able to tell you

what your higher self would say to you.

And whatever it is that you believe,

whether that's your God

self or universe source, divine,

whatever you call it.

and an experience too of

future visualization.

So one of my things that I

want to do someday is be on

a TED Talk stage.

And so I would be able to

get into virtual reality

and be standing there in a

TED Talk and be able to see

the audience and they'd all

be clapping and I would

give my TED Talk because we

know that what happens when

you get into that emotion like that,

you create that self-identity,

you reprogram the

subconscious and it happens like that.

Because that's how you manifest, right?

You manifest because you

have the knowing that it's

possible for you.

So we have a lot of ways

we're going to be using virtual reality,

and it's just a matter of time.

I love that because I think a big part of,

and I'm a big,

it's kind of going back

full circle to the Dispenza stuff,

is like a lot of what he

teaches is rooted around

drawing that emotion out

to the thought which bring

the motion connects the

quantum it connects us into

that reality and then draws

and brings us to us quicker

so I can only imagine when

you're in a vr experience

that is super real you're

it's a short circuit because there's

know especially for folks

that can't really attach

feelings to thought because

it's a it's a work it's a

process right it's how do

we again this is like

awesome because it's like oh

I want to know when this

happens so we can start

using these tools and then

like you said it's it's

funny you said that I'm I'm

literally applying for a

ted talk right now um

around that process is like

yeah you you actually do it

and then you get that

beautiful emotion because

it's it's literally an

experience for you and that

triggers in it's like I I

see how this is going to

work right I see it it's

going to be so cool because

you're literally

moving that thing forward

quicker so it's like and

our our our minds and our

brains are already moving

in this direction in

humanity of understanding

what it means to create

your own reality and it's

it's you in the driver's

seat in god universe spirit

whatever you want to call

it how that that

co-creation works and and

entangles into each other so I love this

talk, this thing that you're doing,

because it does, in my mind,

it matches where we're going,

like not just with consciousness,

not with manifestation,

not with just healing.

It's like,

this is a perfect example of

where I think technology

can fit into the human equation.

So I can't wait.

I can't wait to see what this is like.

And I, I will be,

I'll be my wellness center.

Just put me on the list are already gonna,

I'm already, I want one of the betas, uh,

cuz I love,

I love testing and validating and, and,

and putting these things first.

One of my, my,

one of my key drivers in all of things,

wellness is do you first, right?

It's a, just a,

it's a simple thing for me

to just want to do that for you.

Um,

what do you think people do

what's what's what's in

between right we've got

this stuff it's moving you

know in a year you're gonna

have this and less than

five we're gonna have this

beautiful thing like what

do you want people to do

right now like what what

could be one thing people

could be doing um or

walking away with today

that you just want them to know right now

Yeah.

So, I mean,

website is fully built out at

portrayalsxr.com.

And there's a lot of stuff

on there about who this can help,

how it can help.

And I think that, you know, for right now,

it's like, you know, thinking about,

you know,

subconscious reprogramming and

thinking about the cycle you're on,

you know, a lot of people,

I always say awareness is key.

So if you can figure out

what kind of cycles are

going on in your life, where,

You know,

maybe you get paid and paycheck

is always gone.

It's always the same and

it's always gone within two

weeks or whatever it is.

You know,

then that's a cycle that you're on.

Maybe you need to do something different.

And I think the biggest

thing that I've started doing is,

you know, just in my day-to-day life,

I walk every single day a

couple times a day in my neighborhood.

And I will go totally

different directions each time.

It's almost like I get to

create those new neural

networks in my brain every

single time I'm on a walk

because it's like I never

really know where I'm going to go.

Instead of being a creature

of habit and leaving out Groundhog Day,

then it's like you can

create different changes in

your life really quickly

and get off of that ninety

five percent loop.

and really make a difference in your life,

even by small adjustments,

because it's like a compound effect.

When you could change small

little things in your life every day,

and it is a compound effect

that will make massive

changes in your future.

It's like even brushing your

teeth with your left hand

instead of your right.

You know,

the only things that you can do

just a little bit

differently to kind of

switch up and be able to

get on a different path.

I love that.

I was doing that last night, actually,

because I love the unknown,

like I've learned to love the unknown.

And that's where, you know,

if you follow the work of

all these mystics and gurus

and contemporaries,

like it's the unknown is where everything

is created that's the

present moment right so you

know even brushing your

teeth is rewiring right

it's like they they did a

study I I still remember

the video where they

switched the handlebars on

a bicycle so instead of

turning right it turned

left and trying to ride a

bike after you've ridden a

bike for so long in the

opposite direction

took so much mental work but

it got rewired and

eventually you could rewire

so I love that like I I

even do it with my google

maps now like I'll go it'll

give you like three

directions you know and

I'll pick one that's not

quite the fastest and I'll

be like let's find out

where we're going today

like let's let's go on that

adventure or on your way

home go straight instead of

left right just those little things

And then I always say this too, is like,

and then just see what happens.

Like just open it up, no expectations,

just unfold.

And let's see what happens.

I did a whole surrender

experiment over the last summer

year ago and it was just

that it was like whatever

aligned I just did it I

just said yes and I went I

didn't care about anything

else I just wanted to know

and you'll be surprised

right how much these

breadcrumbs and these these

things unfold for you in

these beautiful lights so

that's just a beautiful uh

that's a beautiful message

for people it's just just

I, my, my, one of my friends said it to me,

even though I'm the pharmacist, he's like,

yeah, it's called flip the script.

And I was like, yeah, that's what it is.

Just do something different.

Just do it.

Just do it different and see what happens.

So I love that.

That's beautiful wisdom.

Thank you so much.

Yeah, you're welcome.

Well, Tricia,

this has been an amazing conversation.

Obviously,

we will let people know as these

things unfold.

We will be broadcasting them for you.

I'm your biggest advocate at

this point because I love

this kind of stuff.

I think it's going to be

right in line with where we

need to be in life.

So thank you so much for

showing up and saying yes

to your calling.

Listening to it and then saying yes.

I think that's a beautiful

lesson for people as well.

It's just that lesson that

you've done through your experience.

I'm sure this has taken you

on so many directions you

never even thought possible,

and it will continue to do so.

I see the light in your face,

the energy that you're

protruding is because

is in alignment.

And so that's another thing

I think people can take

home from this is saying

yes when you're in

alignment really does put a

lot of meaning into people's lives.

So thank you for being one

that's living and walking

that walk and sharing with

the world these beautiful gifts.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for having me.