Welcome to Unboxing Logistics.
Lori Boyer:I'm your host, Lori Boyer, and I am excited today because we have got
Lori Boyer:one of our EasyPost Insider editions.
Lori Boyer:Those are episodes where we get to introduce cool new things that are
Lori Boyer:going on behind the scenes at EasyPost.
Lori Boyer:And we've got a really, really new, fun, exciting product that
Lori Boyer:we are gonna be introducing today.
Lori Boyer:And so, I brought on one of our senior product managers to
Lori Boyer:walk us through the whole deal.
Lori Boyer:Let's find out if this is something that works for you and, and might
Lori Boyer:be a right fit for your company.
Lori Boyer:Brittany Williams.
Lori Boyer:Brittany, can you introduce yourself?
Brittany Williams:Yeah, I am an ecommerce and parcel shipping
Brittany Williams:product manager through and through.
Brittany Williams:I've been doing this for 10 years, and I've worked on all sides of the industry.
Brittany Williams:I started within direct consumer shipping, shout out to my pals over
Brittany Williams:at Lulu's, and have been with EasyPost for the last few years, creating
Brittany Williams:technology to make shipping simpler.
Brittany Williams:I'm also an ecommerce business owner myself, and I online shop a lot.
Brittany Williams:So, definitely many layers in the ecommerce industry for me.
Lori Boyer:Yeah, Brittany has been around and has seen it all.
Lori Boyer:She does incredible work on the product side, so I'm really
Lori Boyer:excited to hear from her today.
Lori Boyer:We're gonna let be hearing about EasyPost Forge, right?
Lori Boyer:This is the product that you've been working on buried in,
Lori Boyer:sleeping, Forge, coming out of your eyes and ears, everything else.
Lori Boyer:So, in a nutshell, Brittany, what is EasyPost Forge?
Brittany Williams:Forge is EasyPost's solution for businesses that want to
Brittany Williams:white label our shipping technology into their own products and services.
Brittany Williams:But, even more than that, it is a sophisticated administrative tool
Brittany Williams:where everyday business teams can onboard and manage your customers and
Brittany Williams:gain unparalleled access to analytics about what's happening on your, on your
Brittany Williams:shipping offering with your customers.
Brittany Williams:So in a sentence, it's about you know, bringing more value to your customers
Brittany Williams:and your team without time waste.
Lori Boyer:Okay, so let's pretend I'm a 3PL.
Lori Boyer:What, what would this look like?
Lori Boyer:Like, give me a kind of practical application.
Brittany Williams:Yeah, so 3PL they manage, they often manage brands
Brittany Williams:and retailers, and each one of those brands could be represented as a
Brittany Williams:customer or a sub account within Forge.
Brittany Williams:What they could do is create these customer records, assign carriers to
Brittany Williams:that customer through the platform.
Brittany Williams:They don't need developer team to do this.
Brittany Williams:And then at its core, of course, Forge is built on top
Brittany Williams:of EasyPost's, core API suite.
Brittany Williams:So, we've got the highest uptime year after year after year, most reliable APIs.
Brittany Williams:You get access to all of that, plus the customer management pieces that
Brittany Williams:help you manage each of your brands in your 3PL network, and then also view
Brittany Williams:collectively like how the business is doing across all your brands.
Brittany Williams:So that's the 3PL I would say.
Brittany Williams:Yeah.
Lori Boyer:So if I'm, you know, Lori Boyer, 3PL or, or let's say
Lori Boyer:I'm a marketplace or, or anyone who deals with a lot of shippers, right?
Lori Boyer:Would they then, are you saying the shippers themselves, it would,
Lori Boyer:they would have access or, or we'd have access for the tools for all
Lori Boyer:of the, the shipping APIs, the, the label printing, all of that.
Lori Boyer:But it would look like it's coming from Lori Boyer, not from EasyPost, right?
Brittany Williams:Right.
Brittany Williams:Yeah.
Brittany Williams:So what you do is you, you.
Brittany Williams:We assume that you've got some application that is where the
Brittany Williams:shipping's happening, some some service or product external to EasyPost.
Brittany Williams:You're basically plugging in the EasyPost API suite and customer
Brittany Williams:management into that product where your customers live and interact.
Brittany Williams:And then Forge becomes your admin tool where your team members can
Brittany Williams:go in and maybe expedite onboarding customers by doing it through our
Brittany Williams:platform and getting insight into everything that's going on with that
Brittany Williams:customer, enabling-disabling carriers.
Brittany Williams:I know a common pain point that I've heard, for example, is, there's
Brittany Williams:a high demand for random carriers.
Brittany Williams:Like hey, I need carrier B, you know, MR. 3PL or whoever.
Brittany Williams:And to add that could be a huge lift for a business.
Brittany Williams:You gotta integrate with that carrier, do all these things, or now hear me out.
Brittany Williams:You can go into the dashboard and click a button and enable it for that customer.
Brittany Williams:So yeah, I think at its core we've, our objective was to build
Brittany Williams:something that reduces overhead and cumbersome processes, and it's a
Brittany Williams:million different point solutions.
Brittany Williams:Like, you have one vendor for this and another vendor for that.
Brittany Williams:It's truly everything you need, all in one platform, with
Brittany Williams:the best APIs underlying it.
Lori Boyer:Okay, awesome.
Lori Boyer:So what was sort of the spark that, that kind of created, this?
Lori Boyer:Is it, you were hearing pain points from customers.
Lori Boyer:Why?
Lori Boyer:Why did we go down this route?
Brittany Williams:Our business, it turns out, was really split down the middle
Brittany Williams:with on one side we had customers who were direct to consumer shippers, retailers,
Brittany Williams:brands, just shipping packages to their customers who needed reliable APIs,
Brittany Williams:multiple carriers, things like that.
Brittany Williams:But on the other half of our customer base, we found that it was actually
Brittany Williams:other businesses who were wanting to create their own shipping
Brittany Williams:solution in their own unique way.
Brittany Williams:And they were using EasyPost to help reduce the lift and burden to build out
Brittany Williams:things like whatever it is, insurance, you know, carriers you name it.
Brittany Williams:And the challenges across these two groups are totally different.
Brittany Williams:Like on the one side you need performance, you need flexibility and
Brittany Williams:speed to delivery, all these things.
Brittany Williams:But for our white label group, they need to bring value to their customers.
Brittany Williams:They need to be competitive in the market, and they need to do all these
Brittany Williams:things without wasting a ton of dev time and a ton of administrative overhead.
Brittany Williams:So.
Brittany Williams:Yeah really it's like to serve these two groups well, we had, we made the
Brittany Williams:strategic choice to basically branch it off and tailor solutions for each segment.
Lori Boyer:So then what, what are the groups in this segment?
Lori Boyer:If you could list them out, what, what are the typical, you
Lori Boyer:know, use case scenarios here?
Brittany Williams:Well, I think Forge is built for, you know, 3PLs.
Brittany Williams:You've called that one out already.
Brittany Williams:Marketplaces, technology companies just creating a new product or service,
Brittany Williams:even carriers, you know, anybody who is going out there in the world,
Brittany Williams:serving businesses who are shipping.
Brittany Williams:If you're trying to improve shipping, like you're, you're, you're doing what
Brittany Williams:EasyPost is trying to do in a sense, which is to make shipping simpler, to
Brittany Williams:delight your customers who are using carrier services and things like that's,
Brittany Williams:that's really who this product is for.
Lori Boyer:Okay, perfect.
Lori Boyer:Are there any certain features?
Lori Boyer:So if we're talking here, EasyPost Forge, do you have any pet secret favorites
Lori Boyer:or, or just are you gonna be Brittany, who's, I love all my children equally.
Lori Boyer:Oh, what are your favorite features?
Brittany Williams:No, I definitely love some children more, more than others.
Brittany Williams:Yeah, I have two top contenders in terms of features.
Brittany Williams:First is Forge's administrative tools around customer management.
Brittany Williams:So any customer of the business or business that signs up for your
Brittany Williams:service or product can be represented as one of these subaccounts.
Brittany Williams:And Forge has a subaccount management piece to it, where non-business or
Brittany Williams:non-developer roles like support agents, finance team members, you name
Brittany Williams:it, just non-developers can go in and onboard and manage those customers.
Brittany Williams:So that's one.
Brittany Williams:The second feature to call out is the analytics.
Brittany Williams:I think EasyPost does a lot of things really well, but analytics
Brittany Williams:is one of those things that we do truly better than anybody else.
Brittany Williams:And there's out-of-the-box analytics in this product that you know, anybody
Brittany Williams:who's building something knows or creating a service knows how important
Brittany Williams:it is to make data-driven decisions.
Brittany Williams:So those are the two standout features, I think, of Forge.
Lori Boyer:Okay.
Lori Boyer:Brittany, I'm gonna dig into those features here soon.
Lori Boyer:I, I wanna hear a little bit more about, you know, subaccounts
Lori Boyer:and management and analytics.
Lori Boyer:But, first I wanna hear a little bit about simplification.
Lori Boyer:I feel like here in logistics sometimes we really over complicate things.
Lori Boyer:We get a lot of rules on stuff and I, I feels like one of the
Lori Boyer:goals of Forge is to simplify.
Lori Boyer:Does it simplify?
Lori Boyer:How does that work?
Brittany Williams:Absolutely, it does.
Brittany Williams:In short it allows for businesses to have a one-stop shop.
Brittany Williams:You know, logistics operations are complicated enough as you called
Brittany Williams:out without introducing a bunch of different vendors with point solutions
Brittany Williams:to each part of your operation.
Brittany Williams:You know, you got carrier enablement, buying labels, tracking and insurance
Brittany Williams:customer management analytics, like it compounds into this beast of a
Brittany Williams:thing that you have to maintain.
Brittany Williams:And the value of Forge is that it consolidates all of your needs in, in
Brittany Williams:one sophisticated platform design for, you know, your development team, but
Brittany Williams:also your, your business teams together.
Brittany Williams:So yeah.
Brittany Williams:One stop shop.
Lori Boyer:What kind of data are we talking?
Lori Boyer:Well, what, what can I expect to get from it?
Brittany Williams:Well, there's two types of experiences we have in this dashboard.
Brittany Williams:The first is parcel related data.
Brittany Williams:So this is things like packages purchased, average cost, time in
Brittany Williams:transit information, anything to do with the parcel activity and shipping
Brittany Williams:activity of your entire network.
Brittany Williams:Or we can drill into like specific sub-accounts and see
Brittany Williams:exactly what their breakdown is.
Brittany Williams:But when we were interviewing customers, when we were planning this product,
Brittany Williams:we learned that there is a, there was a high demand for developer insights.
Brittany Williams:So there's also technical performance analytics.
Brittany Williams:And what I mean by that is like API health metrics where you can go
Brittany Williams:in and see four specific endpoints that you've integrated with.
Brittany Williams:What are the number of events?
Brittany Williams:What are the errors in response times?
Brittany Williams:So that way if something goes wrong and, and something's not working
Brittany Williams:quite right, you can quickly understand what the error is.
Brittany Williams:Or, you know, just generally what is the health of your
Brittany Williams:API integration with EasyPost?
Brittany Williams:So those are the two angles that we've taken for analytics in this product.
Lori Boyer:I love it.
Lori Boyer:Visibility is so important.
Lori Boyer:We can't make good decisions, and really any decisions unless we
Lori Boyer:actually know what's going on.
Lori Boyer:And I know that as I talk to people, there's kind of this uneasiness.
Lori Boyer:So you sometimes feel like I think it's going well, or, you know, so having
Lori Boyer:those, that visibility is massive.
Lori Boyer:Subaccount.
Lori Boyer:Anything else you wanted to say on that?
Lori Boyer:You shared that pretty well.
Lori Boyer:Is there anything else you, we missed?
Brittany Williams:There's all kinds of great experiences you
Brittany Williams:can build for your customers.
Brittany Williams:And some, some ones that are really easy to enable are things like
Brittany Williams:customer branding where, we've got a branding product where you can
Brittany Williams:go in and actually set that up for your customers if you wanted, where
Brittany Williams:it's like their logo and their color scheme and their tracking pages.
Brittany Williams:So that's one.
Brittany Williams:Quickly enabled disabled carriers for specific customers is the big one.
Brittany Williams:That's one of the biggest challenges actually, is.
Brittany Williams:When you have a customer who says that they need a specific carrier,
Brittany Williams:it should not be a challenge when there's solutions like ours that
Brittany Williams:have already built the integration and you just need to click it on.
Brittany Williams:So I think all in all those, those cover the big pieces.
Brittany Williams:The only, the, actually the last one I'll say is billing management.
Brittany Williams:So EasyPost, like the Forge product allows you to choose to centralize
Brittany Williams:billing to your one account or the flexibility to have EasyPost
Brittany Williams:managed billing on your behalf.
Brittany Williams:So both of those are options that we have and where, it's kind split down
Brittany Williams:the line between whether a customer wants to maintain billing control of
Brittany Williams:postage and fees versus like, I don't want the headache of managing that.
Brittany Williams:Can you do it for me?
Brittany Williams:So yeah, both those things are, are options within Forge.
Lori Boyer:That's awesome.
Lori Boyer:And I just wanted to say, you threw a tiny thing in there that like stood out to me.
Lori Boyer:Branded tracking.
Lori Boyer:If you are a shipper at all, even if you're in ecommerce, just listening
Lori Boyer:in, branded tracking is a massive tool for you to use for brand awareness.
Lori Boyer:Tracking messages are, by far, opened way more frequently than any other
Lori Boyer:kind of marketing type message.
Lori Boyer:And getting your brand out there, your logo, your name, and having
Lori Boyer:that kind of repetition is massive.
Lori Boyer:I've worked my whole career in, in brand management and in brand
Lori Boyer:awareness and leadership, and that is huge and a really easy thing to do.
Lori Boyer:So had to shout that out.
Lori Boyer:What about one of the things that EasyPost is kind of known for is
Lori Boyer:our lack of downtime and, and the ability to kind of avoid downtime.
Lori Boyer:How does that work with Forge is, you know, does that,
Lori Boyer:is that still in play here?
Brittany Williams:Absolutely.
Brittany Williams:So as I said earlier, Forge is built on top of the EasyPost Core
Brittany Williams:API suite, which has the 99.99% uptime year after year after year.
Brittany Williams:The only company who can claim that.
Brittany Williams:Basically what you get when you white label these APIs is that then you can
Brittany Williams:tell your customers, I have 99.99% uptime because under the hood it's our APIs.
Brittany Williams:So it's really a value add for your own business.
Brittany Williams:You know, even a few minutes of downtime in a warehouse can
Brittany Williams:significantly disrupt every sort of system connected to fulfillment.
Brittany Williams:So yeah, I think that it's becoming increasingly more important, if you're
Brittany Williams:building a service for ecommerce to have reliable, a reliable product.
Brittany Williams:And Forge allows you to do that because EasyPost core APIs are,
Brittany Williams:are the best in class really.
Lori Boyer:Sounds like basically any of the value props that EasyPost brings,
Lori Boyer:you can now claim them as your own.
Lori Boyer:And that's the, the beauty of a white label type product.
Lori Boyer:So any early, you know, success stories?
Lori Boyer:I know that it's barely kicked off, but any, anything that you
Lori Boyer:can share with us on that front?
Brittany Williams:Yeah.
Brittany Williams:It is fairly new still.
Brittany Williams:I think for me, the biggest wins have been in the before and after
Brittany Williams:conversations with some of our customers.
Brittany Williams:When, when we went out to go design this product and, and create it, we
Brittany Williams:met with a ton of our customers and collected all the information they had.
Brittany Williams:What are your challenges?
Brittany Williams:What are your pain points?
Brittany Williams:What do you wish you had that you don't have today?
Brittany Williams:We, we got all those in, you know, interviews last year and
Brittany Williams:then, in meeting with those same customers again and showing off
Brittany Williams:Forge, you get like goosebumps.
Brittany Williams:And how excited and happy people are to see what we built.
Brittany Williams:That.
Brittany Williams:It truly does tailor it to those challenges that we know
Brittany Williams:that they've suffered from.
Brittany Williams:So even though it's still a relatively new, you know, young product, I think
Brittany Williams:that the feedback we've gotten so far has been like phenomenal, really.
Lori Boyer:That one of the things that I am always so impressed with you, with
Lori Boyer:your team, the product team here at EasyPost, is how much you listen to the
Lori Boyer:customer and really, really take into account their needs and their pains.
Lori Boyer:And that's just kudos to you guys because you do an incredible job there.
Lori Boyer:Okay, so Brittany, couple last questions.
Lori Boyer:How does somebody know if maybe it's the right time to look at Forge or, you know,
Lori Boyer:are there kind of flags they should look for that this might be right for them?
Brittany Williams:I would say reflect on what your, what value you're trying to
Brittany Williams:bring to your customers in the next year.
Brittany Williams:Reflect on how your development resources have been spent, historically.
Brittany Williams:Is it a lot, you know, a lot of maintenance costs, a lot of research
Brittany Williams:and development for, for carriers?
Brittany Williams:You know, if you're, if you're spending all your time on these sort of fundamental
Brittany Williams:pieces rather than the unique product that you're creating for your customers, then
Brittany Williams:I think Forge is the right time for you.
Brittany Williams:If you struggle, if you're, if your business teams struggle with
Brittany Williams:understanding how your, how your customers are shipping or what their
Brittany Williams:costs are, or maybe how to optimize the offering you have, like any of those
Brittany Williams:challenges can be solved with Forge.
Lori Boyer:Another question I would ask if I was looking at new software myself:
Lori Boyer:what kind of development team should I have?
Lori Boyer:Do I, do I need a large team, and can I get a buy with a small team?
Lori Boyer:What, you know, what kind of technical ability do I need on my side?
Brittany Williams:It's relatively low lift, really.
Brittany Williams:The Forge platform itself cuts down on any maintenance costs that you
Brittany Williams:might have once you've finished the initial integration with our APIs.
Brittany Williams:So, there's still an element of, I wanna use the, like you're gonna
Brittany Williams:mix and match different APIs that we have to get your shipping offering.
Brittany Williams:Buying labels, scheduling pickups.
Brittany Williams:You, you kind of, the world is your oyster.
Brittany Williams:We've, we've got an API for it all.
Brittany Williams:Insurance, you know, anything.
Brittany Williams:But when it comes to customer onboarding and then maintenance
Brittany Williams:over time, there really is no cost.
Brittany Williams:We, we own the maintenance of these things, so it's like
Brittany Williams:unburden yourself on that.
Brittany Williams:The most you have to do is just integrate with us initially and
Brittany Williams:then anytime a carrier changes a compliance rule or something like
Brittany Williams:that, that's on us to update and you just benefit from, from using us.
Brittany Williams:As, yeah,
Lori Boyer:I love that because I'm always like, oh, the fewer
Lori Boyer:engineers, I need, the better.
Lori Boyer:But don't tell my husband 'cause he's an engineer.
Lori Boyer:Not at EasyPost, but he would hate it if I was writing off his engineer needs.
Lori Boyer:So I think that's awesome.
Lori Boyer:One other thing, you mentioned onboarding, you were talking customer onboarding, but
Lori Boyer:that made me think how long of a process is it if you're wanting to get Forge?
Lori Boyer:How long does that take typically?
Brittany Williams:To actually get access to Forge is minutes.
Brittany Williams:We, we can enable your account instantly.
Brittany Williams:And you could begin creating customer records from within the
Brittany Williams:tool in hour one, minute one.
Brittany Williams:And then it's really up to you.
Brittany Williams:It really depends on the complexity of what you're trying to build in your,
Brittany Williams:what service you're trying to provide.
Brittany Williams:It could be something as simple as like, a two week sprint to get
Brittany Williams:to use our shipment API for your customers, or something like that.
Brittany Williams:So I think it varies definitely, depending on how complicated
Brittany Williams:your own product and service is.
Brittany Williams:But it's low lift, generally.
Brittany Williams:Yeah.
Lori Boyer:Perfect.
Lori Boyer:Okay.
Lori Boyer:Is there anything I've missed?
Lori Boyer:Anything that you wanna cover or, or something amazing about Forge
Lori Boyer:that you feel like you wanna share?
Brittany Williams:You know, like, we covered a lot of great things.
Brittany Williams:I think this is just the beginning.
Brittany Williams:I would just, you know, remind the audience that this is a
Brittany Williams:very new product, and we've got some incredible plans for it.
Brittany Williams:So if you like what you see now, it only gets better from here.
Lori Boyer:But wait.
Lori Boyer:I love that Brittany, and that is so true.
Lori Boyer:And again, I said it earlier, I called out our product team,
Lori Boyer:but it is, it is really true.
Lori Boyer:I've worked in multiple companies.
Lori Boyer:The product team at EasyPost is phenomenal when it comes to feedback
Lori Boyer:and trying to implement things.
Lori Boyer:So getting in early kind of on a product like this, fantastic chance
Lori Boyer:to provide feedback and to also, you know, be able to kind of mold
Lori Boyer:how the product evolves over time.
Lori Boyer:So, okay.
Lori Boyer:If people are interested and they want to learn more about
Lori Boyer:Forge, what should they do?
Lori Boyer:Let's start, let's say you're already an EasyPost customer.
Lori Boyer:Should they reach out to their CSM?
Lori Boyer:How, how does that work?
Brittany Williams:I'm glad you actually brought this up, because if
Brittany Williams:you're an existing customer, and you want to upgrade your dashboard to the
Brittany Williams:Forge dashboard, there is no lift.
Brittany Williams:To, there's no new integration needed.
Brittany Williams:You'll suddenly get access to the platform, and all your
Brittany Williams:data and information you've been using will carry over.
Brittany Williams:So that's a good call out.
Brittany Williams:But if you do want to upgrade to the Forge product, reach out to your CSM.
Brittany Williams:If you're not an existing customer yet, you can go to EasyPost.com/forge and
Brittany Williams:there's a book a demo button that you can click and get access to one of
Brittany Williams:our team members to demo the product for you and, and get the ball rolling.
Lori Boyer:Yeah, and I love that because like you said, everybody has
Lori Boyer:kind of their own unique needs and everybody's trying to address different
Lori Boyer:issues, and so that way you can get kind of a customized accounting of
Lori Boyer:how you might be able to use it.
Lori Boyer:So, Brittany, this is exciting!
Lori Boyer:I love my EasyPost Insider episodes.
Lori Boyer:Love the great work that product is doing here.
Lori Boyer:Appreciate you being on today.
Brittany Williams:Thank you so much.
Brittany Williams:It's been fun.
Lori Boyer:All right, we'll see y'all next time.
Brittany Williams:Bye.