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Training By Fire - Steps To Your Purification
Episode 7226th April 2022 • Live Behind The Veil • The Epistles
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Summary:

The fire comes to purify us so that we can have a close relationship with the Lord

What does the fire burn?

Why do we go through trials and testing ’s?

Show Notes:

• The fire has a dual purpose, the destruction of the “bad” and the bringing out the “good”.

• We want to see our Father face to face.

• We have a choice in how we relate to the fire.

• God is a consuming fire, when we go through the fire we get to know Him closer.

References:

Hebrews 12:29 KJV

For our God is a consuming fire.

Daniel 3:22-27 NLT

The story of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego

Matthew 3:11 NASB

“ As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Matthew 21:44 ISV

The person who falls over this stone will be broken to pieces, but it will crush anyone on whom it falls.”

James 1:2, 3 NIV

2. Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds,

3. because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance.

Hebrews 12:5b NASB

My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, Nor faint when you are reproved by Him;

Matthew 3:12 NIV

His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will clear His threshing floor, gathering His wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.


Leviticus 17:11 NLT

For the life of the body is in its blood. I have given you the blood on the altar to purify you, making you right with the Lord. It is the blood, given in exchange for a life, that makes purification.

1 Peter 1:19 NIV

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

Hebrews 12:6 NKJV

For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.”


Quotes:

• What was consumed by the fire? Their bondages.

• You go through this honeymoon experience, then He puts His finger on things in your life.

• Your Adamic nature is going to be less and less.

• There is an element of our choice.

• I think we go through little tidbits here and there.

• He has worked in your heart already.


Take Away:

He wants all of us and it is the process of the fire that He uses to purify our hearts so that we can relate to Him, and He be revealed in us.

Transcripts

Lead In: 0:00

Ron: 0:28

Hello podcasters, I am Ron your host and today we’ve got a brand-new member of the family or actually part of the podcast, she is not a new member of the family but she is a new member of the podcast. High Laurie how are you.

Laurie: 0:44

I am doing great.

Allan: 0:46

Yeah, we love having you on here. We know your heart and we know how much of an expression you are. Boy I expect that there is a lot of people who are going to meet the Lord because of you being with us.

Deborah: 0:56

Yeah, I am really happy you are here Laurie.

Ron: 1:00

Yeah, we keep talking about a family but it sounds like a boy’s club for a long time. We only had

Allan: 1:04

It really did.

Ron: 1:07

So, it is wonderful, just wonderful having another lady on. Especially somebody like Laurie that is completely full of the Word. So, awesome. And we also have another treat we have a podcast guest. Hi Jim how are you?

Jim: 1:20

Hey guys good to be here this evening.

Deborah: 1:23

Love having you here.

Allan: 1:25

It is another opportunity for another aspect of the word that is going to come out. I am anticipating tonight’s cast because, boy it is just going to be wonderful. I am just excited.

Jim: 1:41

Thank you so much I am believing for the same thing.

Dale: 1:44

It is exciting to greet two more of those who have a unique gift and to hear and participate in that gift being exercised and appreciated.

Ron: 1:59

We have known Laurie and Jim and his wife Pat for gosh, I don’t know how many years. A long time. Yeah, two or three years that’s for sure two or three.

Jim: 2:11

Decades at least. At least decades.

Ron: 2:16

Well family it is going to be an exciting night. We will be talking about the Holy Spirit and fire. Let’s dive into it.

Deborah: 2:25

What is the Fire, is the fire God? Yes.

Ron: 2:29

That is a good point.

Deborah: 2:30

Is the Fire all consuming? Yes. Is the fire deadly? To our flesh, and to everything that keeps us from standing in the presence of the Lord. If our flesh is living, it won’t live in His presence. We have to have the fire in us to consume that. I was thinking about the three Hebrew children and when they went into the fire. What was consumed by the fire? Their bondages, that’s what was burnt. Because they came out with out a smell of fire on them. The presence of the Lord is what the fire is but the fire is something we have to have working in our lives so that we can see that burnt off.

Laurie: 3:20

I thought long and hard about this question. At first, I didn’t quite understand what the fire was and then I remembered when I very first accepted the Lord, everything was joyful. You go through this honeymoon experience. Then the Lord starts putting his finger on things in your life and so one way to look at the fire is the dealings and the process that God puts you through to purify your spirit and to purify your heart. That was the simplest way I could think of to explain the fire.

Allan: 4:02

Spiritual warfare would be contained in that because it is that warfare that brings the fire to our adamic nature or who we are and what Debbie talking about in the flesh. But also, Deb I wanted to remind everybody that when the three Hebrew children were thrown into fire, that those guards that threw them into the fire were consumed. The fire has a dual purpose. We hear this thing about hardening the clay or making the wax soft and pliable. And it is all dependent upon our reaction to the Word that is going to determine whether we are going to be soften or hardened by the fire.

Ed: 4:48

Your adamic nature is going to be less and less. We received the Holy Spirit. And this is the thing that He’s to work in us until we can come to the point where we can stand before the Father face to face. And have the blood of Christ is on us but everything else has been burned out. That is what the Holy Spirit is bringing to us. Is that fire to take care of this adamic nature that unfortunately it was put on us because of the sin of Adam.

Jim: 5:21

Seems like there is an element of our choice as to how the fire is perceived.

Dale: 5:30

There is an element as to how the fire was applied, as well as perceived. And I think one thing that is important is the foundation of the fire. Christ’s ministry began, He came preaching the Holy Spirit and fire. From the very beginning fire was a very much apart of the Word that Christ brought to the earth and as we have come into a greater revelation of who He is by virtue of walking in His footsteps were coming to understand a lot more about the fire.

Allan: 6:19

You know I think one of one of the wonderful things about the fire is the fact that if we were to wait until the final judgments then we are going to be all burned up. And there like Deb said there will be nothing left but I think we go through little tidbits here and there and it’s like maybe it’s only a match that is burning a piece of your nature. When you conquer that one thing you’ve been through a portion of the fire and you have come out on the other side.

Ed: 6:53

It’s like the thing of the rock falling on us. We want to fall on the rock and we will be broken. But for those who the rock is going to fall on they are going to be crushed and completely destroyed. And that is why we want to go through it now. We want to go through the judgments where God gets control of our spirit. Gets control of us so that we can actually walk in His presence.

Laurie: 7:18

Look back on your lives and see you know when you first became a Christian there were ups and downs and this trial and that trial and testing’s I know, there’re so many points in my life, I’m going ok God what are you doing today? And as years later as a seasoned saint you don’t see as much of that because God has worked in your spirit a lot of these things that were, that He wanted removed He’s worked in your heart already.

Deborah: 7:52

He may do small part, have a small area like a match and it burns up a small area and then there may be larger areas as time goes on and you grow in the Lord. You find more thing falling off. More things being burnt. More things enabling you to stand in His presence for a longer period of time.

Ron: 8:16

What seems to be really clear here that we are all talking about. Is that God is a consuming fire. I think that a lot of people miss that. They love the sweet and gentle Jesus and they love when the Lord helps them and blesses them quote “blesses them.” But if you won’t walk into the fire, your missing the Father, your missing, I mean you can’t just take part of somebody. Well I know that person because their always happy. You’re missing ninety percent of the person and it is the same with God. You know there is so many people out there that accept so much of God but they don’t want to accept the dealings. The don’t want to accept the fire on their lives and they run from the fire, they run from the dealings. And yet the still feel like they have this walk with God and then what does the scriptures say. They come to the last time and they go Lord, Lord and He goes I don’t know you. You did all these mighty works but I don’t know you. Because you never allowed the fire to burn out the lawless thing within your nature.

Ed: 9:28

You know the thing about the three Hebrew children. Ok, they were thrown into the fire but they were not in there alone. There was a fourth person that was in there, that was the Lord. And no matter what fire you go through, He is going through it with you. He is going to bring you out the other side because that is His joy.

Allan: 9:53

I think we are going to raise a question for some people listening in the fact that what are you talking about progressive judgments. Isn’t there going to be one big judgment in the last day. There is people who are going to bring this up there’s scriptural backing for what we are talking about, we talk about Daniel and different things and bring these things out and it may not be a bad idea. There are those who believe that there’s one time set for all. You know sometime maybe we’ll want to address that.

Ed::

You know that one time set for all when it comes up to that time those that have gone through the fire in their lives are not going to be going through the judgments. Judgment was never meant for the children of God. Noah was standing right in the midst or floating right in the midst of judgment but He wasn’t touched. God gives us as children of God a way to go through them and when we come out the other side we have been affected by it but we have not partaken of it.

Dale::

The going through that your talking about Ed, the scriptures very simply related to the agricultural days in which the scriptures were written. They planted the wheat, you know this parable long came a bad person and sewed tares. They discovered them as they started to grow. Do we take out the tares now, no wait until they mature? And that’s where we are living now it those tares are matured there being taken out and what’s left is the wheat. But the wheat is not useable the way it is, the shell around the kernel, the life of the wheat, the chaff has to be removed. And that is what your talking about in these judgments. Judgment begins in the house of the Lord. And that judgment that comes by the fire that Christ was talking about is burning away the chaff and what is left? That a question, what’s left?

Allan::

The kernel

Deborah::

The kernel of wheat.

Dale::

The very center the thing that God wants to use.

Deborah::

You know I think when people think of fire, their afraid of it because it is going to hurt them. Going to bother them, it is going to affect them in a negative way. Instead of seeing it as the means of the Lord has of getting rid of everything that keeps you from His presence.

Laurie::

I’d like to throw some scriptures in here. In James, the book of James is one of the most convicting books to read but he does say here, “Consider it all joy my brethren when you encounter various trials. Knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance, and let endurance have its perfect result. That you may be perfect and complete lacking in nothing.” And one if the things the Lord is looking for is we are to become like Him. As a Christian we are to emulate and be Christ on the earth. The only way to do that is to go through the fire.

Ron::

That’s perfect Laurie cause again there are many people out there and I am sure everyone has met them that are trying to be Christ like. You can’t try to be Christ like.

Deborah::

It doesn’t work

Ron::

It doesn’t work. The Lord has to come and burn out that which is not Christ like in you. He’s the potter and we’re the clay.

Dale::

The process that the Father gave us that Jesus gave us at the Passover, the communion and that where as we eat of His body and drink of His blood, we turn away. And that turning away is that separation where the chaff is separated from the wheat. That turning away repenting or repentance that is not an easy thing to do but by partaking of His communion the power given in His blood, given in His body makes it possible.

Deborah::

It enables us so.

Allan::

I am going to bring out Hebrews right Hebrews 12. “Do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord nor faint when you are reproved by Him.” Does it hurt? Yah it does because you tell me one person especially a young person who loves getting spanked. The discipline it is not comfortable because He is changing our nature and that is the issue He is changing out nature. We have this wonderful story about a man we know who when His mother would grab a belt, he would gab ahold of her really tight because then she couldn’t swing that belt. He knew how to not get hit so hard. The more you run from someone with a belt boy that whiplash or whip effect. Boom that hurts.

Ron::

You know I think that a lot of this discipline, the scripture says all discipline for now, for the time being is sorrowful not joyful but it produces how does it say? The righteousness…

Deborah::

The righteousness of God.

Allan::

“He scourges every son that He receives and the discipline you endure, God deals with you as with sons, for what son is there whom His Father does not discipline.” The thing that I think is important to really realize is each step that we go through that we finally win a victory over we then have authority in that particular area over Satan. He can’t touch us in that realm any longer. Are we perfect yet, oh no, we got a few more things to go through still. And each level is accomplished, He can’t touch us anymore and I think that’s huge, that is something to really rejoice about.

Ron::

You know, we have been crying out for immunity. You know, I mean I know people are crying out for immunity all over the earth from you know whatever you want to call it. Diseases, sickness all this type of stuff. How do you get there? Well, you go through the fire. Then God tests you, you go through the fire. You finally die out and overcome that specific thing on that specific level of life that you are living. And like Allan is saying then you walk in the authority and dominion in that specific area of your life. But if you refuse the fire, your refusing the very deliverance and the immunity and the growth and the transformation that God is trying to bring to your life. You have to look at it through God’s eyes because He is trying to perfect you spirit for eternity. He’s trying to create a relationship with you for eternity and He is doing it through His fire. So, you can stand in His presence and be in His Kingdom.

Deborah::

Getting close to Him is the key to going through that fire. If you cry out to Him and you reach into the fire. You reach in, you want that discipline you come to a place where you want that discipline you want to be disciplined by the Lord. Because you know that when you come through that you’re going to be able to have victory in that area.

Ed::

That’s the one thing about God, you know He starts putting you through the fire and you say no, no, no I am not going to do this and you walk away. Well when you come back you’re going to be right back in that situation of the fire that you just left. Go through it when God gives it to you the first time.

Allan::

I think it brings us back to an understanding of Hebrews 3:15 it says, “Today if you hear my voice do not harden your heart,” and it’s those who reject the fire or the chastening’s of the Lord that harden their heart and then they have a hard time with God anymore after that. You know, it is by the grace of God that hopefully people open their hearts again.

Dale::

I love the details that’s coming out as we are talking about this fire. Because it’s a detail that is necessary in every step with God. It is exciting to know that the fire has a product. That it is not just an endless cycle. There is a promise and that promise is the Kingdom of God, that is what that fire is all about. So, you press on and as we get deeper and deeper into our walk with God we go like David did. “Create in me a clean heart oh God.” That very cry of David was all about the fire. All about burning off his flesh his everything that was not pleasing to God.

Laurie::

This is so, so important. This is not a popular message in Christianity today. They just want the dear Jesus. You know, their acting like God is a Santa Clause but really what He is looking for is He wants all of you. And the process of getting us, so that we can even relate and see Him is we have to be purified. And this is the way that we become purified so that you can see the Lord.

Jim::

I have been kind a searching the scriptures a little bit while everybody has been talking. This is kind of a take away that I am going to take with me from this conversation. 1 Peter 1:6-7 I will just read it here for you. “Though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith of greater worth than gold. Which perishes even though refined by fire maybe proved genuine and may result in praise, glory, and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.” And that is being revealed in me as I receive and allow the fire to be applied to me and my nature.

Lead out::