In November 2019 I caught up with an old friend and fellow conservationist, Jimmy Nails. This throwback episode meanders through conversations from the role of the NGO in multilateral governance, to dealing with the insurmountable grief that the knowledge of climate change brings, to tough decisions about how we move forward in our careers and passion projects. Jimmy’s invigorating stories and contagious laughter are the perfect diversion away from the eeriness felt across the globe this week.

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