Shownotes
In this episode of State of the Second, hosts John and Kaylee sit down with Keebler and Seth from KCI USA, the magazine manufacturer working to rebuild a brand that once carried a rough reputation. KCI makes magazines for AK, Glock, 1911, AR and more, runs a family-owned factory in South Korea, and quietly produces magazines for about 25 OEMs that you would never know made the mag. The guests are open about the past. Seth admits he told KCI in his interview that the mags were trash, and three years later he is still there driving the turnaround. The team is going SKU by SKU, changing springs, followers, and quality control so the product earns trust at an affordable price point.
The central question the episode keeps circling is whether you can sell a magazine for half the price of a Glock mag and still have people believe it works. The answer KCI gives is to put their money where their mouth is: hand skeptics a mag at shows, tell them to run it hard, and let the public decide. Keebler shares an honest line on trust. He would trust his life to a KCI mag for training and video work, but his daily carry stays on a Glock, mostly because Glock has a team of lawyers behind a self defense situation. It is a candid look at how a value brand positions itself next to the OEM standard.
The From the Soapbox segment turns serious. The group warns that gun owners get complacent after an election win, but the midterms have already started and the primary is where Second Amendment candidates are actually decided. They push back on infighting between gun communities, argue that the Second Amendment belongs to everyone, and connect it to history, tradition, and personal responsibility taught in the home. They close on magazine bans, the Assault Weapons Ban that never worked, and the long pattern of governments disarming their people. The conversation also plugs GOA's 2A Adventure Chronicles children's book series and the GOALS summit in Knoxville.
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Questions this episode answers
What is KCI USA and what kind of magazines does it make?
KCI USA is a magazine manufacturer that makes magazines for platforms including AK, Glock, 1911, and AR. The company runs a family-owned factory in South Korea and also produces magazines for about 25 OEMs.
Why did KCI have a bad reputation, and how is the new team turning the brand around?
KCI's magazines once carried a rough reputation for poor quality, to the point that Seth told the company in his interview the mags were trash. The team is rebuilding the brand SKU by SKU, changing springs, followers, and quality control so the product earns trust at an affordable price.
How can KCI sell a magazine at half the price of a Glock mag and still be reliable?
KCI's answer is to put their money where their mouth is, handing skeptics a magazine at shows and telling them to run it hard so the public decides for itself. The turnaround focuses on improving springs, followers, and quality control to keep the product reliable at a value price point.
Would the KCI guys trust their life to their own magazines?
Keebler says he would trust his life to a KCI magazine for training and video work, but his daily carry stays on a Glock. His reasoning is mostly that Glock has a team of lawyers behind a self-defense situation.
How do you convince skeptical buyers and influencers that a value brand actually works?
KCI hands skeptics a magazine at shows, tells them to run it hard, and lets the public decide rather than arguing the point. The brand backs that up by going SKU by SKU on springs, followers, and quality control so the product holds up under real use.
Why do the hosts say gun owners get complacent after winning an election?
The hosts warn that gun owners ease off after an election win, but the midterms have already started and the fight is not over. They argue the work of protecting the Second Amendment continues past any single victory.
Why does the primary matter more than the general election for Second Amendment candidates?
The hosts argue the primary is where Second Amendment candidates are actually decided, since it determines how strong a pro-2A candidate makes it to the general election. Sitting out the primary means weaker choices later.
Do magazine bans and the Assault Weapons Ban actually work?
The hosts argue they do not, pointing to the Assault Weapons Ban that never worked and a long pattern of governments disarming their people. Their core point is that criminals do not follow laws, so the bans hit law-abiding owners instead.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Welcome and meet Keebler and Seth
- 00:22 — Rapid fire questions
- 05:53 — Ammo Squared sponsor break
- 06:47 — What is KCI and what they make
- 09:28 — Fighting the trash reputation
- 11:50 — Affordable mags, South Korea factory
- 14:19 — Rebuilding the brand from ground zero
- 17:21 — Would you trust your life to it
- 18:43 — From the Soapbox: complacency after winning
- 25:29 — Infighting and standing together
- 35:20 — History, tradition, and the home
- 42:31 — 2A Adventure Chronicles plug
- 44:39 — Golden age of firearms and diversity
- 48:36 — Magazine bans don't work
- 53:55 — KCI links, gifts, and GOALS wrap
About the guest
Keebler and Seth are part of the KCI USA team, a magazine manufacturer that makes magazines for platforms including AK, Glock, 1911, and AR. The company runs a family-owned factory in South Korea and produces magazines for about 25 OEMs. Seth handles KCI's social media and says he told the company in his interview, three years before this recording, that the mags were trash, and stayed on to help rebuild the brand. Keebler's daily carry gun is a Glock.
Key quotes
"the mag is the least sexy thing going on in the gun until it doesn't work, then all eyes are on it." — Seth
"If we don't trust our own products, how can we then turn around and try to sell it to somebody else or even encourage somebody to use it?" — Keebler
"we are a business, we need to make money" — Keebler
"the primary is where you decide how strong of a candidate are we going to have when it comes to the second Amendment." — Kaylee
"we can't just keep going off of hopes and prayers." — Keebler
"the initial fact of all of this is that criminals don't follow laws." — Keebler
Transcripts
Welcome to get in there's of America.
Speaker A:State of the second podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Kaylee.
Speaker B:And I'm John.
Speaker B:And today we're joined by the boys from Casey, Keebler and Seth, two of my favorite people in the industry.
Speaker B:I love you, Keebler.
Speaker B:Lie.
Speaker C:You're a liar.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Definitely a liar.
Speaker B:Why don't you say hi to the folks?
Speaker C:Hi.
Speaker C:How are we doing?
Speaker D:What's going on?
Speaker B:All right, so first we're going to get into our first which is rapid fire questions.
Speaker B:We're going to ask you five questions.
Speaker B:You can answer them as quickly or slowly as you'd like.
Speaker B:We're going to start with Keebler and then we'll go to Seth.
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker C:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Because it's easy.
Speaker A:How do you take your coffee?
Speaker C:I don't drink coffee.
Speaker A:You don't drink coffee?
Speaker C:Don't drink coffee.
Speaker A:Two people here don't drink coffee.
Speaker A:That is outrageous.
Speaker D:Drinking energy drink.
Speaker D:Don't drink coffee.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Sacrilege.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker A:That is.
Speaker A:Okay, so what's your energy drink of choice?
Speaker C:Depends on the day.
Speaker C:Either Red Bull or Alani.
Speaker C:Trying to do sugar free.
Speaker C:Trying to get off energy drinks across the board.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker A:So you're on like a 12 step program for an energy drink?
Speaker C:No, there needs to be a 12 step program.
Speaker C:Somebody make that.
Speaker C:Yeah, there really does need to be one.
Speaker A:The energy drinks are wildly addicting and they're wildly delicious.
Speaker C:That's the bigger problem.
Speaker A:See, my husband recently semi kicked caffeine drinks and is now taking caffeine pills.
Speaker A:So it's just a direct line and I'm like, this is so much work.
Speaker D:Cut off the middle man right in there.
Speaker B:Full send it.
Speaker C:That's definitely a full send.
Speaker A:Have you seen the caffeine water?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker A:No, I can't be good for your health.
Speaker B:Caffeine, everything.
Speaker B:There's caffeine like pouches too that you can just.
Speaker D:Straight line caffeine knockoffs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right, next, if you could go back in time and change history, would you?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker D:Hard pass.
Speaker B:Hard pass.
Speaker D:Hard pass.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:What content creator are you currently binge watching?
Speaker A:Me?
Speaker C:Not really many.
Speaker C:I try to avoid a lot of them because I'll go down a rabbit hole for hours upon hours.
Speaker C:Nick the fat electrician.
Speaker C:I've watched a lot of his videos.
Speaker C:Really good content, informational.
Speaker C:But when it comes to like gun stuff, I try to stay away from it because being in the industry you get flooded with it all the time.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's about where it's at right now.
Speaker D:My way of like gun stuff.
Speaker D:Even though my job is social media, I've kind of backed down.
Speaker D:I just recently got a smoker, so I've been going down the rabbit hole of just smoking all the meats.
Speaker D:So rolling smokes.
Speaker D: e the Homie possum puncher or: Speaker D:You know, those are my go to's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:This is on the list.
Speaker B:I gotta read it.
Speaker B:Which Keebler Elf is your favorite?
Speaker C:Well, first off, no one can name anyone other than one, so what does it matter?
Speaker D:Like one technically who's like Keebler.
Speaker D:And then there's all those workers.
Speaker D:Oh, there's the Keebler verse.
Speaker C:No, there's one Ernie.
Speaker C:And then the rest of them basically have no names, so it doesn't really matter.
Speaker D:You wouldn't know the name.
Speaker B:I don't know any of the names.
Speaker C:Look, man, they're cookies.
Speaker C:Let's just leave it at that.
Speaker B:Is that where we're leaving?
Speaker C:We're leaving it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:What are you binge watching outside of the YouTube sphere?
Speaker C:I'm not.
Speaker A:No binge watching.
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker C:I don't watch TV.
Speaker A:No TV?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:I watch the occasional YouTube video and then I play video games because I'm a nerd.
Speaker A:All right, well, what video game are.
Speaker C:You playing right now?
Speaker C:Yeah, that's like.
Speaker D:Just.
Speaker C:Just finished up a vowed get ready to start Indiana Jones and go and work through that.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker A:What about you?
Speaker D:Me and the wife just started watching chuck.
Speaker D: So like: Speaker D:But I don't know, I alone when I'm alone.
Speaker D:I don't watch TV unless there's football on.
Speaker D:But yeah, with the wife, we started.
Speaker C:Chuck, he plays hello Kitty Island Adventure.
Speaker A:It's nice that you guys have that.
Speaker A:We're in the middle of Toddler Dom.
Speaker A:So my binge watch has been cars 1, 2 and 3 on repeat for like the last, you know.
Speaker C:Oh, better than Frozen on repeat, so.
Speaker A:Oh, no, it's true.
Speaker A:Kachow.
Speaker D:Yeah, me too.
Speaker D:I am through the seventh or eighth cycle of Bluey.
Speaker D:It's like straight through, beginning to start, which again, that theme song slaps every time.
Speaker D:So I'm in.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker C:You just put on an X Men the Animated series and just leave it on all the time.
Speaker D:I tried.
Speaker D:No, so with my oldest, I tried to get her to watch some like the, like the cartoons I watched on Disney plus.
Speaker D:So like, she Liked Recess, which was awesome.
Speaker D:That's a great show.
Speaker D:She didn't go for Tailspin.
Speaker D:She didn't go for Ducktales.
Speaker D:So I'll give her another year, and if she doesn't like it, then.
Speaker D:Then I'll trade her off for Avatar.
Speaker A:It might.
Speaker A:Might be the way to go.
Speaker A:The Last Airbender.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That series was great show.
Speaker D:She's three.
Speaker A:I mean, my three year old watches it.
Speaker A:Maybe it's bad parenting, but I don't.
Speaker D:Think she understand what was going on enough.
Speaker D:Like again, she likes the loud.
Speaker D:The singing, you know, goes like.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker B:Watch Gargoyles, the Animated Series.
Speaker D:Great show.
Speaker D:Swat cats.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:High five.
Speaker C:Swat cats.
Speaker B:Swat cats.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:How do you know I remember SWAT cats.
Speaker B:You're older than I am.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:What, By a lot.
Speaker C:It's not that.
Speaker B:Okay, maybe she's thousands of years old.
Speaker B:Did you not know this?
Speaker C:Hey,.
Speaker D:With the decoration.
Speaker B:All right, let's go ahead and get.
Speaker B:That was rapid fire.
Speaker B:You can tell we've been friends for way too long.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker B:Kaylee, like most Americans.
Speaker B:You have a savings account, right?
Speaker A:I do.
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Speaker A:I also do.
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Speaker A:It is, and I've had it for over two years.
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Speaker B:Let's go ahead and dive into the meat and potatoes of this.
Speaker B:What is kci?
Speaker B:Who is kci?
Speaker B:What does KCI do?
Speaker B:And how are you making KCI better?
Speaker C:Oh, going through all of it.
Speaker C:All right, so KCI, magazine manufacturer.
Speaker C:We do a little bit of everything.
Speaker C:Arkansas.
Speaker C:AKA911, Glock, etc, we've kind of over the years have had some products that were not the best, but we've changed.
Speaker C:Crews change mentalities going through right now and kind of changing everything across the board.
Speaker C:Better products, better quality, better quality control.
Speaker C:And a lot of that comes down to the crew change.
Speaker C:People have gotten very complacent on things and with a new crew looking at things differently and having a higher standard, so kind of going through everything across the board.
Speaker C:Skew by sku.
Speaker C:By sku.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And trying to make just that a better, affordable product.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I was paid $20 to ask you about FAL bags.
Speaker C:FAL.
Speaker D:Not gonna happen.
Speaker C:If you want to order 20,000 of them, I will gladly do them, but until then, no, there's a lot more pressing matters right now to get done before we do them, so.
Speaker D:But I see that request probably weekly on Instagram and every other social media platform.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's, it's.
Speaker C:I'll be honest, it is on the list.
Speaker C:It's just further down the list than, than what people like it to be.
Speaker B:So what goes into.
Speaker B:I mean, you're the first manufacturer of magazines we've had on.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:This is the first.
Speaker B:What goes into deciding what products you're bringing out?
Speaker B: know immediately Glock mags,: Speaker D:All day.
Speaker B:All day.
Speaker B:Every AR max, AK mags.
Speaker B:Those are the bread and butter.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:But what, what goes into going.
Speaker B:Because you, like you said, the FAL mags you get requests for all the time.
Speaker B:But you know, so a lot of.
Speaker C:It, really what goes into it is a lot of market research.
Speaker C:So figuring out what the marketplace needs, where there's a need that needs to be filled as well as is it going to be beneficial cost wise.
Speaker C:Because at the end of the day, we are a business, we need to make money, etc.
Speaker C:But trying to put out like a $10 FAO mag isn't going to happen anymore.
Speaker C:Steel price is too high.
Speaker C:So a lot of it comes down to market research and kind of going from there.
Speaker C:A lot of our needs or a lot of it is based upon an OEM request because we do a lot.
Speaker C:About 25 different OEMs that we actually work with that we make magazines for, that you'll never know that we make the magazine.
Speaker C:So a lot of it's just that, it's just market research.
Speaker B:You guys got to get this question.
Speaker B:I mean, KCI of the past had this reputation.
Speaker D:Trash.
Speaker C:Absolute trash.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're into the future now.
Speaker B:I've used your Poly AR mags a Ton of times they work.
Speaker B:I've tossed them, thrown them, beat them.
Speaker C:Called me out during the mag.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah, I did.
Speaker B:I did call you out because I love you.
Speaker B: ike, okay, let's look at your: Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're like nine bucks.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker C:Something like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, like, when people look at that, you know, is there.
Speaker B:Is there a way you can communicate?
Speaker B:Like, hey, this.
Speaker B:We are one of the most affordable mags on the market, but we work.
Speaker B:How do you combat that?
Speaker D:The biggest thing is, like, really just having the conversation.
Speaker D:So, like, you know, talking on social media and everything, that's kind of my realm is because we get that all the time.
Speaker D:You know, we post picture about whatever magazine it being like, oh, KCI is trash.
Speaker D:You see this in any video.
Speaker D:Oh, KCI is trash.
Speaker D:And it's like, yeah, like, there is trash Casey product out in the wild.
Speaker D:And I am truly sorry for that.
Speaker D:But it's, you know, getting going to that market research and trying to fill those spaces, but also going back to those older products and to the.
Speaker D:To that point, it's like going back to those older products and trying to improve on those.
Speaker D:And yeah, the big thing is a lot of people just say is like, oh, it's just a cheap copy of this.
Speaker D:Like, no, we're actually doing things a little different.
Speaker D:It's not just a direct copy.
Speaker D:Like, our biggest thing, like, right now is, like, our Glock mags.
Speaker D:Soon you're going to be seeing our new springs and our new followers.
Speaker D:So it's like trying to, again, trying to stay in that ballpark of inexpensive price point, but bring that quality up to snuff to show we are extremely viable option.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's pretty much nailed it right there.
Speaker B:Wow, that was an intelligent answer out of Seth.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, it's.
Speaker C:It's Seth.
Speaker D:That's.
Speaker D:That's my one for the show.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna go.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And that's the thing, you know, you guys were both at another company at one point, came over to kci.
Speaker B:We've seen this kind of resurgence of kci, seeing it go in.
Speaker B:The polymer mags, like I said, have been great.
Speaker B: The: Speaker B:And to get mags, I mean, that's the biggest thing with.
Speaker B:With the firearms industry, you see.
Speaker B:And I guess I got to give John Patton a shout out because we're claiming we want three mags.
Speaker B:We want three mags, right?
Speaker B:And mags are expensive.
Speaker B:They're not Cheap.
Speaker B:But to come in with an affordable mag at a really good price, that's quality is kind of hard to do because people are going to see the price point and go, well, that's gotta be, you know, it's gotta be trash.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:One thing that we have over a lot of other countries is the fact that we also do make things in South Korea where our factory's at.
Speaker C:It's also a family owned factory, so it's not like we're outsourcing it to another company who they have to take their margin and there's another margin on top of that, et cetera, which works out in our benefit.
Speaker C:So being able to do a, you know, half the price of a Glock Mag is helping out quite a bit.
Speaker C:So there's that.
Speaker C:But we're going through everything and we want to be an affordable option that people can trust and be able to run them and have 3, 4, 512 mags to be able to cycle through them versus just having one oem glock mag or two oem glock mags.
Speaker C:So that's kind of our mentality on everything is have a quality product at an affordable price.
Speaker C:Unfortunately, previously there was, oh, just push product out, just push product out.
Speaker C:Which is why we have a bad reputation.
Speaker C:We don't want that reputation.
Speaker C:We're literally going SKU by sku by sku and we have a very large list of products and changes that we're making.
Speaker C:Some of it is a change that you'll never notice because it's either a dimensional thing or a spring issue or a coding issue that we feel it should be better than what it is.
Speaker C:Granted, the majority of the mags are fine.
Speaker C:There's no real major issues with them.
Speaker C:We just want them to be better than they were previously.
Speaker D:To that point.
Speaker D:I think it just comes down to really our crew change and coming in with really a new passion for this kind of go back to that complacency you were talking about.
Speaker D:We've kind of come in and I don't know how I got a job because I said in my interview that these mags are trash and here I am three years later.
Speaker D:So that's great.
Speaker D:But again, we just kind of came with a, a new, a passion for what we want because if it's, if it's garbage, I'm not gonna run it.
Speaker D:You know, like, I'm not le, I'm not military by any means, but I'm just a monkey likes to play in the desert.
Speaker D:But I want my stuff to run and I'M gonna run it hard and I'm gonna abuse it.
Speaker B:As marketers that are taking over a company with a, with a reputation, how do you go in and just go, we got a 180 this thing?
Speaker B:Because there's going to be people who are going to want to fight you in tooth and nail.
Speaker B:You know, how do you take a, you know, I've seen it before.
Speaker B:You're basically taking a brand and rebuilding it from the ground up 100%.
Speaker B:So how do you combat all that stuff?
Speaker B:How do you go in and go to shows and events and just go, yeah, no, this is not, we're not the KCI of old.
Speaker B:We're.
Speaker B:We're the new, improved kci.
Speaker C:You want to take this?
Speaker C:You want me to.
Speaker D:I'll take.
Speaker D:It's kind of my job, so go for it.
Speaker D:Because like I were saying, like, we basically had to jumpstart this whole brand from ground zero from where it was.
Speaker D:And the biggest thing by way of, like the social media side of things is just the industry partners we've been able to team up with have been nothing but fantastic.
Speaker D:Because the mag is the least sexy thing going on in the gun until it doesn't work, then all eyes are on it.
Speaker D:So being able to team up with those guys and kind of, you know, get that recognition by association.
Speaker D:You know, if you see our magazine with a high end gun, it's like, oh, like, you see that pairing together, it's like, okay, maybe this is a viable option.
Speaker D:And then going in even to like, you're talking about, like, at shows, the biggest thing for us is just, just give it a try.
Speaker D:You know, a lot of the times it is the two of us shows just going, we are a different kci.
Speaker D:And you know, a lot of times they're still skeptical.
Speaker D:It's like, take a mag, try it.
Speaker D:Like, burn it down.
Speaker D:If you have issues, let me know.
Speaker D:But we haven't seen a lot of that with kind of our new mentality moving forward.
Speaker D:And I think that's been the biggest thing is kind of like we're changing, we're putting it on the table and letting the public decide in that specific.
Speaker A:Yeah, one of the things I think it's, you know, very commendable, not only to you all, but to y' all's leadership is realizing that there was a problem and then making that crew change, you know, bringing you guys on board to do that 180, because, you know, sometimes, you know, you can't see the forest for the trees.
Speaker A:And so those Type of.
Speaker A:It's great to see brands recognize a problem and then, and then fix it versus just, you know, scrapping it and starting over somewhere else and make the same mistakes twice.
Speaker D:I think you see a lot of brands just in this industry, like bigger brands who have been doing stuff for a long time, they built that name, that recognition.
Speaker D:And then when issues come along, it's like, oh no, I'm so and so, like we don't have those issues.
Speaker D:Like it's right here.
Speaker D:It's been in, you know, hundreds of guns, hundreds of optics and these guys just resting on their laurels and then they never address it.
Speaker C:A lot of it's complacency.
Speaker C:We all see it in this industry.
Speaker C:The, this industry is known for complacency.
Speaker C:Our stuff doesn't break, our stuff never has problems.
Speaker C:It's definitely this, it's an elevation issue.
Speaker C:It's whatever you want to try to have it to be.
Speaker C:So we use our products.
Speaker C:If we don't trust our own products, how can we then turn around and try to sell it to somebody else or even encourage somebody to use it?
Speaker C:One of the biggest things that I said when I came on was simply put, we're going to have to put our money where our mouth is.
Speaker C:Is the only way to get in front of people and try to change people's mind is go here, give us another shot.
Speaker C:You know, how many influencers have used our product and like, it's garbage, don't want to use it.
Speaker C:You know, you brought up John, perfect example.
Speaker C:He's like, yeah, your product is trash.
Speaker C:I'm like, yeah, we've changed that product, sent some new product.
Speaker C:He literally messaged me the other day, let me know, hey, yeah, we did a video.
Speaker C:Your mags ran on everything.
Speaker C:No problems.
Speaker C:Quite surprised.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:That's what we have to do.
Speaker C:And we're trying to change that mentality across the board.
Speaker C:That's all we can do.
Speaker C:Will I run it in my, my carry gun?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker C:My carry gun's a Glock.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Glock's got a team of lawyers.
Speaker C:I have a handful.
Speaker C:If I have to use it in a self defense situation, I want Glock's lawyers on my side, not just my couple lawyers.
Speaker C:So for training, for, you know, doing videos, being able to have more bags ready, would I trust my life to it?
Speaker C:Yes, just not in my daily carry, if that makes any sense.
Speaker B:No, that makes sense.
Speaker A:We are halfway roughly through this episode, so it is time for our segment from the Soapbox.
Speaker A:The time in the episode where we Tackle the spicier topics about the industry, politics and the second Amendment in general.
Speaker A:So do you all have any hot takes?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:You can't say what.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I know what you want to say.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:P320 Talk.
Speaker D:That's not even what I was thinking today.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Sorry, but no, I wasn't even going.
Speaker D:To bring it up.
Speaker B:Okay, good.
Speaker B:All right, this is your fault.
Speaker B:Go ahead and be spicy.
Speaker D:Really kind of going like, kind of talking about the general theme of like, complacency.
Speaker D:I think that carries over from the industry and now into the common end user going on now.
Speaker D:People think that we have a new political regime in charge and that we are good to go for the next four years.
Speaker D:And that is absolutely not the case.
Speaker D:And I think that is we're going to see some rough sailing because of that moving forward.
Speaker A:You know, I definitely, I see where you're coming from for sure.
Speaker A:Because, you know, whether it is the hunting community or the two a community at large, there is a tendency for us to get apathetic after we win.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:But that's not how success happens.
Speaker A:Like, one of the frustrating things I think for most Americans is we just had a very exhausting election cycle.
Speaker A:I think we could all agree.
Speaker A:I don't know about you all, but I swear I got like 85 texts a day asking me to register to vote and get out to vote, all of those things.
Speaker A:And I'm like, listen, like, I'm the last person you need to worry about getting.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm ready, but thanks for the reminder and I'm sure somebody needs that.
Speaker A:And like all of those things can be true at the same time.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But this is a very, it was a very long election season.
Speaker A:And the problem is, is the midterms have already started.
Speaker A:And anybody who hasn't recognized that and the importance of that, most importantly is I think in for a very rude awakening.
Speaker A:And what I mean by that is this, right now you're hearing the announcements of so and so is retiring or, you know, this is a, a purple district or this is a, a district where they might be good on every other issue but guns.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:The primary is where you make the difference.
Speaker A:You can make a difference at the, the election, the main election, and that's great.
Speaker A:And if you can flip a seat, flip it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But the primary is where you decide how strong of a candidate are we going to have when it comes to the second Amendment.
Speaker A:And it's the part of the election cycle that gets the least amount of news.
Speaker A:It gets the least amount of credit.
Speaker A:And that is, I think, probably one of the biggest injustice that we can have going into this next cycle.
Speaker A:Because the margins are thin.
Speaker A:Like, we are a tiebreaker vote in the Senate on most gun things.
Speaker A:If we could create a coalition where every single person who is pro gun agrees with what we're putting forward, that is a thin, thin majority.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The same thing in the House, like the 2 AA caucus, the 2A Freedom Caucus.
Speaker A:Like we need that to be a stronger delegation.
Speaker A:Well, that's only gonna happen by the primary and by the general election.
Speaker A:And so you're absolutely right.
Speaker A:As gun owners, we cannot afford to not put our foot on the gas.
Speaker A:And that starts, yes, with the elections, but it also starts by calling your congressman.
Speaker A:It comes by emailing your congressman and getting involved.
Speaker A:And then the second thing that I think is so critical for us as gun owners to understand is it's not all about the federal government.
Speaker A:Your state government has a tremendous amount of power when it comes to protecting the second amendment or destroying it.
Speaker A:And it is absolutely vital that we are active participants in our state government.
Speaker C:I think the American populace as a whole, they see what's on TV and in front of their face.
Speaker C:So they look at presidential elections, they don't care about anything underneath.
Speaker C:Most of them go into a voting booth, they're looking at names that they've never seen before, and just randomly picking people because they don't know what candidate A, candidate B, candidate C's policies or thoughts on anything are.
Speaker C:They just see a billboard or a sign everywhere and they go, oh, yeah, maybe I should just vote for them.
Speaker C:And they have no clue.
Speaker C:And that goes back to the complacency.
Speaker C:You know, we're not being.
Speaker C:We're not being proactive in our own cities, our own districts, our own.
Speaker C:Our own counties, et cetera, across the board, much less anything else.
Speaker C:I think the complacency aspect, where it's.
Speaker C:If it's not on tv, they're not paying attention to it.
Speaker C:They can guarantee you who's Dancing with the Stars or America Got Talent, but have no clue who's in, who's running their district, which is a very big problem of complacency in this industry.
Speaker C:It's not just the industry, it's the American populace as a whole.
Speaker B:Why is everyone staring at me like I'm supposed to say something?
Speaker D:You look like he had something to say.
Speaker A:You kind of.
Speaker B:You guys know, because you guys hit it all on the head.
Speaker B:I mean, I've said it on this podcast multiple Times we get, we get into an election cycle, we win the election, we ask conservatives sit back and go, oh, we're good to go.
Speaker B:But like Kaylee has said, we are coming up on midterms.
Speaker B:We have theoretically, and I know Kaylee's going to correct me because it's.
Speaker B:But theoretically a year of this to, to get stuff done.
Speaker B:And it's one of those things where if you're not being focused on, on those things, being focused on going to your senator and congressman, going to your local officials and pushing these Pro2A agendas or these Pro2A bills or even talking about Pro2A stuff, it falls to the wayside.
Speaker C:Well, they think about the, the Hearing Protection Act.
Speaker C:Everybody thinks, oh, the, the suppressor is going to be removed.
Speaker C:Okay, that's been in the house, what, three different times?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Since 20.
Speaker A:More than that.
Speaker C: I don't have the number: Speaker C:And then now I think, yeah, we had.
Speaker C:Am I being correct?
Speaker A:Last, last Congress, we had the Hearing Protection act and the Shush act, both.
Speaker C:But once again, going back to the, the firearm community of being complacent, like, oh, the ATF's going to get dismantled.
Speaker C:No, it's not.
Speaker C:Let's be honest.
Speaker C:The odds of that happening are very low, which sucks, don't get me wrong.
Speaker C:But we can't just keep going off of hopes and prayers.
Speaker C:The general public and community as a whole has too much infighting and should be going toward the results that we want, not pipe dreams.
Speaker B:Well, you hit the nail on the head.
Speaker B:There's too much infighting.
Speaker B:Yeah, there is way too much infighting.
Speaker B:We see it all the time now.
Speaker B:Let me rephrase that.
Speaker B:There's infighting in the community, in the, on the industry side.
Speaker B:Most of us are really tight and we, we talk now.
Speaker B:There are, there's, there's feuds.
Speaker B:You know, there may be a man who held a sign in front of a booth and got banned from shot show, but allegedly, allegedly.
Speaker B:But those things were.
Speaker B:We're on the inside of the industry.
Speaker B:We, we are all pretty much pushing towards the same end goal.
Speaker B:There's a little bit of feuding here and there.
Speaker B:There's a little bit of that, but nothing too bad.
Speaker B:We're all pushing towards the end goal and on the outside.
Speaker B:I think the, the community as a whole need to understand that we need to band together.
Speaker B:This infighting between, you know, the black guns and the wood guns needs to stop and we need to go, like, without this.
Speaker B:Once they take away this, they're coming.
Speaker A:After that, Yeah, I think, I don't know that infighting is the right word.
Speaker A:I think it's more of a clear direction.
Speaker A:I think it's a bell curve, right.
Speaker A:Where your level of apathy determined is based off of how much you care about that segment of the second Amendment.
Speaker A:And what I mean by that is I don't use an ar and so I don't care what they do with that.
Speaker A:I didn't use a bump stock, so I didn't care what they did with that.
Speaker A:Oh crap.
Speaker A:I do care about the lead ammo ban.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So I'm really like terrified of that.
Speaker A:Oh, and then I'm back to apathetic instead of no, this is my constitutionally protected right and I care about any infringement and this is my line in this hand and I'm gonna let my voice be heard on this.
Speaker A:And so one of the things that I think is very interesting that the left is good at doing is making it so it's not where it doesn't always feel like an overarching attack on the second Amendment, right.
Speaker A:Where, where it's where it's just pinpointed pain points and then it's all gearing up.
Speaker A:Like, let's be completely honest, you know, the, the bump stocks was a precursor to the pistol braces.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:They tried it here.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:That they didn't make too much of a stink.
Speaker A:And then, then they went after the, the big guns with the pistol braces.
Speaker C:Well, see, old adage, give a mouse a cookie is going to ask for milk.
Speaker C:And that's a continual thing.
Speaker C:We keep giving away and keep giving away and keep giving away and eventually it's all going to be gone.
Speaker B:Well, I think what we got to do as a community, quit ostracizing each other 100.
Speaker B:I mean we see it all the time.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:And I don't want to call any out group of people out in particular, but we see it all the time where Seth likes to play role play in the desert.
Speaker B:Not really.
Speaker B:I'm just picking on Seth for a minute.
Speaker B:But like people throw on kitten.
Speaker B:Well, people are making fun of.
Speaker C:Oh, you're a LARPER now.
Speaker B:You're a LARPER now, Seth.
Speaker B:Sorry, but I thought I was special forces.
Speaker C:You're a LARPER operator.
Speaker B:But we, we, we ostracize that group of people.
Speaker B:They're just exercising their second amendment right.
Speaker B:You, you gotta go as a community.
Speaker B:Just the same thing like we.
Speaker B:And it's gotten better.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna say it's on Some.
Speaker D:Aspects we've seen some like come togetherness but like with us because we see a lot of it because we carry so many, we cover so many different virus platforms, MP5AR, so but, but again there's so many subsections with this industry.
Speaker D:You have, you know, the competition guys, you know, attacking like the LARPER guys and then you have the AK guys and like they all have different things within like that are getting attacked that affect one group more than the other.
Speaker D:But we lose focus on what is the end goal and, and going back to what you were saying, they're going to pick at it and like yeah, they're going to go after this group and go after this and go after this group but at the end of the day it's all going to come to their same end goal and we forget about that.
Speaker A:One of the things that I think is important for us to remember is it isn't about the individual sections of the second amendment community.
Speaker A:It's it is about growing the community at large.
Speaker A:As a general rule the second Amendment community is incredibly welcoming.
Speaker A:If you go to the range and you don't know what you're doing, you will most likely find somebody who will give you some pointers, teach you some things, encourage you to seek training, offer some advice on local trainers to go to.
Speaker A:Like as a general rule our community is very strong.
Speaker A:The anti gunners understand that if they nitpick and they divide us and we don't stand up as a group, it is much easier to accomplish their goal and they're wildly successful at that.
Speaker A:Because if we were not a grassroots army and we weren't calling in everyone when things like the Biden administration took away hunter education from schools, for example, we're not getting that back.
Speaker A:But because the second Amendment community said no, that's ridiculous.
Speaker A:And we did push back on that.
Speaker A:An on ramp for a lot of people to get into the second amendment happened.
Speaker A:But guess what?
Speaker A:It wasn't just hunters who stood up for that.
Speaker A:It was gun rights advocates who take responsibility for the whole second Amendment and not just their little piece of the pie.
Speaker A:And that's what separates I think in a positive way a GOA member from maybe the average gun owner.
Speaker B:Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker B:I mean Keebler, you and I have been doing this for a long time.
Speaker B:Yeah, a very long time.
Speaker B:We've been friends for a very long time.
Speaker B:We've seen this shift.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B: agree, can agree with this but: Speaker B:And now we're seeing the shift.
Speaker B:Like Kaylee said, we're building that on ramp.
Speaker B:We're building the community.
Speaker B:And it seems to be more of us getting together and standing up to, to this tyranny.
Speaker C:I think a lot of the, I don't want to say subsections of the, of the industry as a whole has started to really come together.
Speaker C:But I think as a industry across the board, we've been a lot more welcoming.
Speaker C:It's not the old FUDS club, if you will, where if it's not a Winchester Model 70, I don't want to.
Speaker C:You shouldn't run it.
Speaker C:Ars are stupid.
Speaker C:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker C:I think what a lot of people are starting to realize is that it's a, it's a right for everybody, not just one or the other.
Speaker C:So I think a lot of people started to freak out when quote unquote, colored hair people started to exercise their right.
Speaker C:And leftists in particular were like, well, what are you going to do now?
Speaker C:Welcome with open arms?
Speaker C:Like that's just the continual thing.
Speaker C:So seeing everybody being able to express their individuality as well as their second amendment rights is a positive thing.
Speaker C:You know, there's people who are like, oh, what are you going to do when, when gays have guns?
Speaker C:Encourage them.
Speaker C:Like why would you not?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean look at one of our favorite people who lives by you is Tracy.
Speaker B:Yeah, Tracy has, does not fit.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:What the anti gunners would call the mold for a gun owner.
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker B:Gun owner was everything.
Speaker B:Always this old white grizzled guy.
Speaker B:And we are now becoming this very open, very diverse community of people who are all in support of one thing and that is the second amendment.
Speaker B:And as a whole, I mean look, we've seen the numbers completely, completely change again.
Speaker B:When you and I started, your marketing efforts were too, you know, stale and pale.
Speaker C:Yeah, basically.
Speaker B:And now we're seeing the shift, you know, like we're getting more women involved, we're getting more, more different communities involved.
Speaker B:I mean we talked to EIA at Chacho and the Hispanic communities getting more involved.
Speaker B:And we're seeing this cultural shift from the FUD community that was always this big thing to now we're seeing it that this is a community for everybody and this is what GOA has been preaching for almost 50 years.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think one of the things that's important to remember is, you know, we can tend to be pessimists.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And we're seeing this cultural shift and we're excited, but it's a cultural Shift back to cultural norms at our founding.
Speaker A:The reason that the second Amendment was so important and remains to be important is because they were establishing a culture where individual lives mattered, where individual lives were worth defending, where you could fight a tyrannical government if necessary.
Speaker A:And that has been instilled with us since the beginning.
Speaker A:And so this concept that you shouldn't own a gun is contrary to the history of the United States.
Speaker A:Like, if you look at Buren and why the Burin case was so important is because it focuses on the text, history, and tradition of the second Amendment.
Speaker A:That history and tradition part cannot be understated or undervalued.
Speaker A:And it's important that we carry on that tradition and pass it on to the next generation.
Speaker A:You know, for all of Ronald Reagan's.
Speaker D:Follies.
Speaker A:Yeah, Follies is a great way of putting it.
Speaker A:I was going to say, for all of his mishaps when it comes to the second Amendment, which thankfully he was smart enough to go on record and say that he regretted tremendously.
Speaker A:So, you know, yay to like one of probably three politicians ever to admit that they were wrong.
Speaker A:So, you know, we'll at least mark that down never.
Speaker A:But, you know, he said that freedom was never more than a generation away from failing like that.
Speaker A:That's how precious a gift that we have.
Speaker A:And so whether it is, you know, standing up for Hunter's education in schools, whether it parents teaching their child about the second amendment and about firearms ownerships, whether it's just us as everyday citizens modeling what good gun ownership looks like, to not let Hollywood be the quote, unquote, purveyors of truth when it comes to the second Amendment.
Speaker A:The only way for us to restore the second Amendment is to acknowledge that text, history, and tradition and to protect it and be safe and be the safeguard for not only the preservation of that right, but the restoration of it.
Speaker C:I mean, we used to be a civilized country where people were taught to hunt and were able to shoot guns at a young age.
Speaker C:To learning about it in schools and actually having shooting teams to.
Speaker C:Now it's a taboo subject.
Speaker C:And any type of taboo subject like that, especially with children, turns into, oh, I want to learn about it.
Speaker C:But not the right way.
Speaker C:It's the cookie jar adage, don't touch those cookies.
Speaker C:Don't touch those cookies.
Speaker C:You turn your back, they're in the cookies.
Speaker C:So getting away from that people aren't being Safe.
Speaker C:You have 16 year olds that have machine guns, but yet we used to be a society where you get a machine gun shipped to your house.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:What changed as a society?
Speaker C:A lot of it's the thoughts and how people are raised.
Speaker C:So there's a lot of issues with that.
Speaker C:And I think going off your point that things are progressing back to a point where people are starting to want Hunter's education back.
Speaker C:They're wanting, you know, using the Boy Scouts as an example, they're wanting those shooting teams back specifically for the younger training.
Speaker C:If we don't teach kids at a young age and refuse to teach them at an older age, it's always going to be a problem and then we will lose that.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker D:Well, like with anything, you know, being a young father, it's everything.
Speaker D:It doesn't matter just even second.
Speaker D:It starts in the home and how you raise your kids.
Speaker D:The founding fathers, you know, establish this whole country on certain virtues and principles.
Speaker D:Honesty, integrity, and being able to provide for yourself and defend yourself if needed.
Speaker D:And going back to your saying, like, those are no longer the social norms, like, oh, times have changed, you know, so none of that's applicable anymore.
Speaker D:It's like, no, that's not the case.
Speaker D:So we as individuals need to take that, be able to educate other people, whether it be our own children or friends and family, and to show them that no, like, this country is established for a reason and we need to go back to that to find the success we once had.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think it all goes back to personal responsibility.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We have a personal responsibility to better our communities, to better our country, to, you know, reinforce the values of our country.
Speaker A:And yes, that does mean in the home.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:But it also means that we need to be modeling what the Second Amendment embodies.
Speaker A:And that doesn't happen by just purchasing something and never training with it.
Speaker A:That doesn't happen by going every four years to the ballot box.
Speaker A:It is an everyday commitment to yourself and your community that I am going to do my best.
Speaker A:And that's one of the things that I think is often overlooked is our society has always been, I want to leave this better for the next generation.
Speaker A:And that I think it's returning to that.
Speaker A:But I do think that for a little while, it's been, well, the greatest generation already happened.
Speaker A:And so it's all down here hill from there.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And you have a group of people that are now, if we look at the last election, you know, Gen Z came out at a much higher rate for voting for the Second Amendment, voting for conservative values.
Speaker A:And it's because they want a future in which those values are actually around that they're not Figments of our imagination.
Speaker A:And so this whole I don't want to be a part of the decline is happening.
Speaker A:And that's why I think you're seeing a resurgence back to, you know, what has always been understood as factual when it comes to, you know, America's love for the Second Amendment and that it's worth being protected.
Speaker B:Seth brought up in the home.
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Speaker B:Kayleigh, you had a part in that.
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Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So our sister organization GOF has a cute little series called the 2A Adventure Chronicles.
Speaker A:And it starts with a board book and then it goes to an early reader.
Speaker A:And it's just a kind of a baseline level way of introducing the philosophy behind the second amendment and the second Amendment in general.
Speaker A:And George and Annie are named after Annie after Annie Oakley, and George after George Washington.
Speaker A:And so we took two very strong figures that were very Pro2A and we have embodied that.
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Speaker B:What's that website?
Speaker A:That's a very question.
Speaker B:Hold on.
Speaker B:Trying to plug the book here.
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Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's available on an iPad.
Speaker C:All the people that don't want to pay attention.
Speaker A:Not yet.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Ebooks off screen free.
Speaker A:Don't you know that's the.
Speaker A:That's the way.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Go.
Speaker C:In any restaurant you see kids with an iPad.
Speaker C:I'm like, no.
Speaker C:Christ.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna get these back.
Speaker A:He's like, I'm not doing it.
Speaker C:He really doesn't.
Speaker C:It's kind of surprising.
Speaker B:I'm gonna get back on topic real quick.
Speaker B:So I do want to touch on one more thing before we go into, like, really spicy.
Speaker B:But I think right now we are in the new golden age of firearms.
Speaker B:And this is what I mean by that.
Speaker B:We have more selection, more choices, more diversity than we've ever had in the 400 years guns have been around.
Speaker B:There is literally a gun for everything, everyone in every way.
Speaker B:And I think that adds into a lot of the gun ownership that we're seeing in the community building, because we're in this golden age and that we're building this community back.
Speaker B:And that just speaks a lot to what the industry is doing, trying to build a full community.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, there's definitely a lot more choices.
Speaker C:I think also people's ingestation of what they consume in terms of media also plays into that as well.
Speaker C:So you have content creators who are putting out various different videos.
Speaker C:People go, hey, I want that firearm, or I want that accessory, et cetera.
Speaker C:Same thing in movies or anime or insert any type of content.
Speaker C:People see it and then they can actually go buy it.
Speaker C:So I think that also plays into it.
Speaker C:You know, worked at a gun shop where everybody wanted a scar because they had it in Call of Duty or I saw this in an anime.
Speaker C:Now I can get a P90.
Speaker C:So I would agree there's a lot more choices, some good, some bad, but definitely a lot more choices and a lot more of people seeing it and it can affording it.
Speaker C:That's the other thing.
Speaker B:Anime P90.
Speaker B:No, P90 is Stargate SG1.
Speaker B:Everybody knows that.
Speaker C:You're not wrong.
Speaker B:That's where you get a P90 from.
Speaker C:It was an MP5 before that, so.
Speaker B:Yeah, but then it turned into a P90.
Speaker C:Yes, it did.
Speaker B:And there was a whole scene about it.
Speaker B:It was badass.
Speaker C:Sure was.
Speaker B:Anyways, tap that.
Speaker B:We digress from that argument.
Speaker C:I mean, five, seven, taking out aliens.
Speaker B:I don't know how, but because Stargate as you won, you're not wrong.
Speaker B:But it's all you have that shoots.
Speaker A:I do think that you're absolutely right, though.
Speaker A:Pop culture has allowed for us to see a diversity of guns and go and, you know, rent them at the range, fall in love with them, bring them home, add them to your wish list, all of the things.
Speaker A:And so it's been really great to see diversity.
Speaker A:And then the other thing is just speaking strictly as a female, like the gun culture behind the counter of totally being able to go and see whatever you want behind the counter and not being like pigeonholed into.
Speaker A:You want this and this.
Speaker A:Only this is what you're kind of almost like allowed to have.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:You're a girl, so you have to have a pink.44.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You get a pink revolver.
Speaker B:You get a Glock 19.
Speaker B:You get a Glock 19.
Speaker B:I get a Glock 19.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And so that's just how it works, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I absolutely hate that about the industry is pigeonholing people into certain things.
Speaker C:It drives me nuts.
Speaker C:Everyone has a million one options.
Speaker C:We shall all have a Glock 19.
Speaker D:We're seeing such diversity in the industry to where like we now have a lever gun that takes AR mags.
Speaker D:Like now someone can get into a lever gun.
Speaker D:Doesn't have to buy some, you know, more expensive cowboy round.
Speaker D:They probably have hundreds of AR mags already laying around and they can do cowboy cup now.
Speaker D:And it.
Speaker D:That's.
Speaker D:That's enticing to me.
Speaker D:Like I need one of those.
Speaker B:I mean not only that, but you've got options in every caliber, shape, size.
Speaker C:I mean almost too many calibers, honestly.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What do you mean?
Speaker B:But 30 super carries where it's at.
Speaker B:What are you talking about, Keeler?
Speaker B:I mean, anyways, before we go down a.
Speaker B:A rabbit hole.
Speaker C:That's gonna be a rabbit hole.
Speaker D:Start talking caliber.
Speaker B:Just start arguing.
Speaker B:But you're.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:I mean there's so many things out there.
Speaker B:Now let's get really spicy.
Speaker B:Magazine mags are stupid.
Speaker B:Magazine bands don't work.
Speaker D:Super dumb.
Speaker B:And what is a standard capacity magazine?
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:How many rounds it's designed to hold?
Speaker C:Well, according according to the politicians, it should be 10 rounds or less.
Speaker C:And magazine bands don't work.
Speaker C:Let's be honest, we've been through this multiple times.
Speaker C:You will go through the whole awb.
Speaker C:That never worked.
Speaker C:It's been proven many times over that the AWB didn't work.
Speaker C:There's no such thing as a standard capacity.
Speaker C:Okay, my standard capacity is 100 rounds.
Speaker C:There we go.
Speaker C:That's now the standard 200.
Speaker C:Well then you're just too bad.
Speaker D:Why.
Speaker C:Politicians want to keep going back to that, oh, mass shootings.
Speaker C:Like, okay, have you seen a competition shooter who can shoot more rounds than somebody with a drum?
Speaker C:Next.
Speaker C:It doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker B:Avoid all mag bands.
Speaker B:Get a belt fed.
Speaker C:True.
Speaker C:It can't be.
Speaker C:It's not.
Speaker C:It's not magazine fit at that point.
Speaker B:Get a belt fed.
Speaker B:Fight late industries.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker B:Let's do this free plug for them.
Speaker B:I mean, but no, it.
Speaker B:You saw it again.
Speaker B:You brought the AWB.
Speaker B: AWB, my: Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, the AWB didn't work.
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker B:You look at Chicago, that didn't work.
Speaker B:You look at everything, they don't work.
Speaker B:Who are you to tell me that I only need 10 rounds?
Speaker C:Well, I mean, let's let's go back to the.
Speaker C:The initial fact of all of this is that criminals don't follow laws.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:So why do we keep punishing the American?
Speaker C:Pablo's.
Speaker C:That doesn't make sense.
Speaker D:Because they want control.
Speaker C:Well, yeah.
Speaker C:It's all it comes down to is control.
Speaker C:You know, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hitler take the guns first?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Did it?
Speaker B:Every dictator take the gun first.
Speaker B:Then Stalin.
Speaker B:Yeah, all of them took the gun first.
Speaker C:Disarm your public and now they can't fight back.
Speaker C:So I'm going back to the complacency.
Speaker C:We keep losing things and losing things.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:I don't want to say this, but realistically, we're kind of at the point where eventually the American people will fight back.
Speaker C:And I honestly don't really look forward to that day.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't.
Speaker B:It was very eye openening to me.
Speaker B:I don't think I've ever mentioned this here before, but it was very eye openening to me.
Speaker B:My grandfather, immigrant from Italy, like lived during the Mussolini era.
Speaker B:You know, that was bad.
Speaker B:Was really bad.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:That's what you did.
Speaker B:He looked at me and he goes, I might vote the other way because I'm scared.
Speaker B:This is reminding me of things that are.
Speaker B:That reminded me back in the day.
Speaker B:That speaks a lot when you've got a.
Speaker B:A populace who, who is been doing the same thing for years.
Speaker B:Well, changing their mind.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:You think about how many people who have left communist countries that have all said the same thing, like you guys are losing your rights.
Speaker C:Why are you letting this happen?
Speaker D:Well, it goes back to the origin the Second Amendment is to fight against tyrannical government.
Speaker D:And for some reason we like to think like situation with your grandfather that we ignore that.
Speaker D:And then we fail to see that we were fighting a tyrannical government.
Speaker D:Realistically, in the grand scheme of everything, not that long ago, but yet we never talk about it.
Speaker D:And we think we've evolved and we all think we live in a utopia now and that it could not be farther from the case.
Speaker C:We're very near sighted as, as a American public, we only look a couple years back.
Speaker C:We don't go back further than that.
Speaker C:And then we turn a blind eye to so many things and we keep doing it over and over again.
Speaker B:I think it's the complacency of seeing that as an American populace, we.
Speaker B:We look at it, and we, we have this feeling that it will never happen to us.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because we're America.
Speaker B:We're land of the free, home of the brave.
Speaker B:This will never happen to us.
Speaker B:And when you took like what's her name, Lily Tang Williams came on stage at Goals and she spoke and she preached about this and, and the fear, you know, when you have people coming from communist regimes or anything stating hey, listen this, I've lived through this.
Speaker B:We've got to open our eyes and be like, hey, something's not right here.
Speaker B:And I don't think we're at that point yet.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:And unfortunately I think it's gonna take something drastic for us to be at that point.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And let's look aside, I, as much as I would like that to happen, I honestly feel that's gonna be a major tipping point to us as a country and tipping toward the wrong way.
Speaker D:Well, at that point, like when that breaks off, you got basically ask yourself the question, are you ride or die?
Speaker A:At that point we're getting the sign to wrap up with Chub.
Speaker A:It's, it's definitely.
Speaker A:We got very serious at the end of this one.
Speaker A:Usually we, we'd evolve into the crazy.
Speaker B:We got crazy for a minute.
Speaker A:So go ahead, pluck away.
Speaker A:Website, social, all of the, all the.
Speaker C:Media guy do that.
Speaker C:That's what he's there for.
Speaker D:So best way to find us is Instagram.
Speaker D:Kciusa later this year you will see a lot more on the YouTube channel.
Speaker D:So KCI USA, that's a big goal of ours is to do a lot more long form video, but you want to stay up to date.
Speaker D:The biggest thing is the Instagram.
Speaker D:You can go to kcius.com to see our whole catalog of products.
Speaker D:But realistically, if you want to see what KCI USA is about, basically the stupidity that we've brought to the table, go to the Instagram.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:With that being said, we do have some new products that'll be coming out later this year.
Speaker C:Obviously keep up with that as well as you know, if you're having any issues with your products, please reach out to us.
Speaker C:We can't be better if we don't know where we fail.
Speaker B:Well, before we go, we have a gift for you both coming from Palmetto State Armory and AAC Ammo.
Speaker B:You'll be getting our gift for our guest.
Speaker B:Thank you again to Palmetto State Armory and AAC Emma for providing that for this season.
Speaker B:So you guys will be contacted after the show to get that all taken care of.
Speaker D:What's up?
Speaker C:They're good people.
Speaker B:Hey guys, thanks for watching today.
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