In this first of the in-between season bonus episodes of 'No Shame in the Home Game,' bubbling co-hosts Lacey and Sarah delve into the concept of the 'clothes chair.' They discuss how it serves as a crucial transition space for half-worn clothes and the importance of resetting this space during laundry day to prevent clutter. They also share personal stories and insights on making household routines, like laundry, more efficient. The conversation includes tips on sorting, folding, and simplifying the process, ensuring that home management is functional, even if it's a bit messy.

For more No Shame In The Home Game:

iTunes

Spotify

Instagram

Facebook

Website

Don’t forget to subscribe, share, and leave a review!

Mentioned in this episode:

Home Management For!

Find more information about Home Management for Everyone at homemanagementfor.com

Welcome to No Shame in the Home Game, the podcast that cares

2

how your home feels, not looks.

3

I am your bubbling co host.

4

, I just was telling Sarah all these

things I'm excited about and I feel

5

like the universe and I are at one and

we got this and things are happening.

6

I'm here with Sarah, my ever

patient with my bubbling co host.

7

Hi, Sarah.

8

Sara: Hello, Lacey.

9

So a visual for the audience.

10

Imagine you're putting pot after

pot on your stove with water and you

11

just keep turning on the burners.

12

And then all of a sudden you turn

around and all of the pots are boiling.

13

That is Lacey today.

14

All of her pots are boiling at the same

time and it's like over here, over there,

15

like everything's grabbing your attention.

16

And I think it's wonderful

Because this is part of who you

17

are, and I just, all your parts are

boiling right now, and I love it.

18

Lacey: Yeah.

19

I don't want to say I'm in a manic

state because I wouldn't, that's a

20

certain level that I'm not, but I

am, I'm just like, Oh, this and this.

21

And I just, yeah, even just with

like my son's OT appointment later,

22

I sent messages of I think this needs

to happen and this, and so I'm a lot

23

today, but I am not charged today.

24

This is our first in between seasons

episode, and we're talking with an expert.

25

Named Sarah.

26

Hi, Sarah.

27

Sara: Hi, Lacey.

28

I am so excited, and I am not

embarrassed or ashamed to tell

29

you how excited I am to talk about

this topic of your clothes chair.

30

I'm giving everyone permission listening.

31

If you want to laugh out loud, if you

want to make fun of me for being a

32

geek about a closed chair, go for it.

33

I am all in, I am president

of the closed chair fan club.

34

And here it's so interesting

because it's one of those things

35

where I think everybody has one.

36

But people don't talk about it,

37

Lacey: Can you define

38

a closed chair?

39

, Sara: yes, this is great.

40

So well this is the other thing, and

this is why I'm glad we get to have

41

two different points of view, is that

I think there's a little bit of a

42

spectrum or open tour interpretation.

43

I see the closed chair

as a transition space.

44

for me, I utilize it as clothes

that you intend to wear again that

45

don't need to go into the laundry.

46

So they can't go back into your closet

because they're not 100 percent clean.

47

They're not ready to go in the dirty

hamper because they're not at ew

48

gross, I can't wear it again level.

49

But you know that you might

do that activity again.

50

in the next couple of days.

51

So it's like a temporary holding space.

52

This is like when you're at the airport

and you're not at your final destination,

53

Lacey: you're in a layover.

54

Sara: going to walk around the terminal.

55

You're going to walk around.

56

You're going to go get a snack.

57

You're going to go to the

bathroom and get some water.

58

You're going to stretch your

legs you have another flight,

59

but you got to kill some time.

60

So the closed chair is that holding

spot until your next flight departs.

61

And I've heard some really great

terms and I can't remember them.

62

So anybody who wants to comment

on social media and tell us what

63

terms you use for your closed chair.

64

I actually have a bench in the bathroom.

65

That is my landing spot.

66

I'm usually, I think I've mentioned

before, as much as I work with home

67

management inside the house, I'm actually

usually outdoors more than anything.

68

So.

69

Sarah be dirty a lot.

70

So I have to put on nice clothes

to go to appointments and go do

71

things, but then I'm often changing

to go back outside and be dirty.

72

But that outfit that I wore

for an hour, two hours, like

73

it doesn't need to go in the

74

hamper.

75

it's not done.

76

So I put it there as a holding place,

but here's the key is laundry day.

77

So in our house, it's a

seven day laundry cycle.

78

Laundry day, everything, regardless

of status, it gets reset.

79

It's like a full sweep.

80

Airport is closed at midnight.

81

Full sweep.

82

Everything gets cleaned and

then the cycle starts again.

83

Because, as I say to my clients, You

don't want something that is supposed

84

to be temporary to become permanent.

85

So if there's never a reset, then it might

end up being the closed chair becomes

86

more of this is where my clothes live.

87

Oh, I don't put my clothes

in a drawer anymore.

88

I now have a closed chair where

that's just where everything lives.

89

That's not how I use mine.

90

and I'm not even judging if

that's how you use yours.

91

However.

92

Do it with intention.

93

Know yourself that this is, oh yeah, no,

I want my clean clothes to live here.

94

That's fine, but just do it,

don't mix and match what's clean,

95

what's dirty, what's half dirty.

96

I need a term for half dirty.

97

Lacey: I just want to say you are,

hitting on some things that we've

98

already talked about, but I didn't

put together as my closed chair.

99

So I don't know if you remember my old

house, I would sit and there was a,

100

two storage, bins on top of each other.

101

And that.

102

Became my clothes chair,

but here's the problem.

103

It became permanent

104

because I would put clothes

that I meant to hang on it.

105

And then I never got around

to hanging them And I will

106

say I'm in my new house now.

107

I recently just put in a clothes chair.

108

Like literally it is a chair next

to my dresser where I get dressed.

109

And, I'm sitting here giggling to

myself because I have slipped back

110

into these have to get hung up

and I just haven't done it yet.

111

So I needed to hear, Hey, reset.

112

, but this, concept, Joe has always been

really good about, he has a pair of

113

pants that he wears to work and they're

like his pants for a couple of days.

114

Cause why would that's still nice so I

love the idea that it is a little messy,

115

but it's functional and that's okay.

116

, Sara: I like that you

just succinctly said it.

117

It's a little messy, but it's functional.

118

And I actually, one of my merchandising

pieces that you can buy, it says

119

closed chair, don't care, and it's

got a picture of a closed chair

120

and it's got sort of this rock and

roll like feel because embrace it.

121

It's a tool.

122

It works.

123

Is it aesthetically ideal?

124

come on.

125

Who cares?

126

who's going to see your closed chair?

127

Are you having a photo shoot later?

128

Okay.

129

Here's who does care your realtor

if you are selling your house

130

Lacey: Hey, It went away.

131

I remember the day that it went away.

132

Even, I think you were there,

you were like, Those are good.

133

Sara: Think I remember saying I missed it

because it took on its own personality.

134

It was like a figure in the room

So Joe has his own clothes chair.

135

Is that what you're telling me?

136

And then you have

137

Lacey: Yes.

138

Because in our new house,, we have

two benches cause we don't get rid

139

of furniture and one of the benches

we can't, we're not using anymore.

140

So there's one in front of the bed

and then there's one in front of a

141

window and he uses the one in front

of the window as his closed chair.

142

And then my stuff's on the other side

of the room and I just put a chair

143

there and it is now my closed chair.

144

, Sara: and let's be clear, and this is

where I'd love getting into nitty gritty.

145

You were saying you were putting stuff

there that actually needs to be hung up.

146

So, does that mean

you're only putting clean

147

clothes there, or you're

also mixing in half

148

Lacey: Only cleave.

149

no, that's a lie.

150

I will say I'm usually

only doing one at a time.

151

It's an either or of it's either

clothes that I need to have hung

152

up or it'll be like my sweater

that I wore that day that I'm like,

153

I'm not going to like my cardigan.

154

I'm not going to throw that in the wash.

155

I can get a day or two out of that.

156

I'm realizing now I never intentionally

made this decision, but that one,

157

it's either one or the other.

158

Sara: And again, it goes back to the

functionality that works for you.

159

I was actually wearing that shirt

that said, Clothes Chair Don't Care.

160

And my husband, he looked

at it and he read it and he

161

goes, wait, I don't get it..

162

Let's talk about this.

163

I said, Closed chairs are a

tool that can be used very

164

effectively if managed correctly.

165

Do what works for you.

166

No judgment.

167

And he was like, Oh, I'm

like, yeah, no, the end.

168

And this is why I always say

there's no one size fits all.

169

It's what's the goal for you.

170

And if the goal for you is, yeah, I don't

want to do more laundry than I have to.

171

And sometimes I wear clothes

that I can wear again.

172

Great.

173

Then let's use a clothes chair

or like with you with the

174

clothes that need to be hung up.

175

Okay.

176

These are clean.

177

They're designated as clean.

178

I don't have the energy to

put these away right now.

179

So they are the way station.

180

They're just standing on that train

depot waiting for that train to come.

181

And you know it will.

182

Lacey: Just, there's another category too.

183

Sara: Bring it on.

184

Lacey: I tried this on.

185

I didn't want to wear it today,

but I haven't hung it back up yet.

186

So it's clean.

187

So currently my clothes chair is that

and clothes that need to be hung up.

188

Sara: Yes.

189

And I will be honest.

190

this is becoming a bit of a true

191

confession.

192

My clothes bench in my

bathroom is half worn clothes.

193

Like I don't wash my

exercise clothes every day.

194

So that stuff is all in the bathroom.

195

And yes, I also have a

chair next to my closet.

196

Same thing.

197

Like a jacket that I wore that

just needs to be hung back

198

up is hanging on the chair.

199

I said we have a seven

day rotation laundry.

200

So on my day of laundry, Sometimes I'll

fold it, but I won't, I'll get too sleepy

201

before the clothes get all the way home.

202

So to get them off the bed,

I will put them on the chair.

203

So they also have that.

204

I'm clean.

205

I just need to go home.

206

I'm not home yet.

207

Lacey: preach.

208

I feel you.

209

Clothes, chair, clothes.

210

Sara: but it's embrace the tool

and just know what the tool is for.

211

Okay.

212

And it's, it's hard if

everything goes on the floor.

213

Lacey: I

214

Sara: Things that are clean that need to

be folded go on the floor and then you

215

start mixing in things that are dirty

that absolutely need to be Wandered get on

216

the floor and then you mix in things that

you could wear again If all those three

217

categories get mixed up together, you're

really creating more laundry for yourself.

218

Lacey: just had another realization.

219

Isaac, when he turned five, I told

him one of his jobs is I will fold his

220

laundry, but he has to put it away.

221

And, I've been folding it because

he has a rug and so I fold it

222

on the rug because it feels like

I'm not putting it on the ground.

223

I don't know.

224

It doesn't make sense, but it's my logic.

225

and then what I've been doing

is I've been leaving it there.

226

And then guess what doesn't happen?

227

It doesn't get put away.

228

And so what happens is there is that

question of like, well, what's clean,

229

what's dirty, what's clean, what's dirty.

230

I'm realizing the top of his dresser

that just has stuff on it right now,

231

that needs to be where I park it.

232

And then he has to put it away from there.

233

Sorry, that was a big

234

realization for me.

235

Sara: this is great.

236

This is when we talk about this because

If you can see what everyone's doing

237

behind their door, you'll hear all these

great solutions that might work for you.

238

So I ask you, is all your

family's laundry mixed together?

239

Or do you do Isaac's laundry separately?

240

Lacey: what happens is.

241

it's sorted out, but

it's generally together.

242

So like, Jo's and I's are together.

243

Each of the kids have their own laundry

basket, but theirs often gets combined.

244

it is purely based on the volume

of the load that's going in.

245

Whatever, available laundry

there is gets taken.

246

Sara: and is this done on a certain day?

247

Is this time triggered

or just when it's full

248

triggered or when mama has energy

249

Lacey: I, by the way, I'm loving us

talking about my laundry process.

250

Okay.

251

Sara: it too.

252

I'm in my happy

253

Lacey: Joe is responsible for

Take it, so we have hampers in our

254

closet that are like hanging bags.

255

And so the idea is he takes a hanging

bag down and then sometimes he'll

256

fill it to the top with kids laundry

257

.

And then he does the washing, the drying, he puts it back in the hanging bag,

258

it comes back upstairs, then we have

another cart for clean laundry that's

259

actually next to my dresser as well.

260

And so then that goes there.

261

So that is my signal to then fold laundry.

262

so we're very, there is a

system, but we're loose with it.

263

And I'm really starting to accept

that's how we roll and that As long

264

as we have clothes, and we know where

things are, and we have a system,

265

stuff happens when it happens.

266

we really are each other's trigger, right?

267

So like, all of the things are full.

268

Joe, we need some laundry.

269

Lacey, there's no more room for bags.

270

We need them folded.

271

Okay, yeah.

272

That's usually what happens.

273

Sara: so I talk about events

happening with prompts.

274

it's a time scheduled

prompt or an event prompt.

275

So those are all event

prompt, which is great.

276

And if that's working for your family

and I like that you already came up with

277

your solution of, okay, I'll just put

the clean clothes on top of the dresser.

278

If that starts to become a place of

confusion, still mixing dirty and clean,

279

then I would come up with a backstop of

Clothes have to be put away before bedtime

280

so in our house, my son does his laundry

on Saturday and don't ask me why he does

281

not want to put it away on Saturday.

282

And that's fine.

283

He has until Sunday bed to put it away.

284

So there's a basket of clean laundry

and I'm, and this is where a lot of

285

parents will say, it frustrates me,

or it triggers, or it upsets me, . I

286

have a boundary that basket of clean

laundry will sit there, and I know by

287

the end of Sunday it will be put away.

288

So I don't get upset because I

know the finish point is coming.

289

Lacey: What happens if

he doesn't put it away?

290

Cause that, we actually, I was

trying to do that with Isaac.

291

okay, you have two days

to put your laundry away.

292

And I don't want to set up punishments

for not putting my laundry.

293

That doesn't teach him what

I want it to teach him.

294

So he's also only five.

295

So I'm not super, like,

we're still figuring it out.

296

So I'm just curious, what is

the consequence in your house?

297

Sara: Great question.

298

And first I would say at five

years old, kids usually don't

299

want to do tasks by themselves.

300

So asking him what would help

you put your laundry away.

301

Maybe if you just sit on his bed

while he does it, he wants company.

302

Figuring out what, and letting

him be part of the solution.

303

I have learned that when you invite

someone else to be part of the solution,

304

it's much more likely to happen.

305

So for my son, yeah, I don't call it.

306

a punishment.

307

It is, I just think of

it, if this, then that.

308

And that way it's within his control.

309

if the laundry doesn't get put away,

then something he would do with his

310

free time, it's no longer free time.

311

that is no longer an option.,

You had 24 hours to do it.

312

If you still didn't do it in that

time, then any time past that

313

24 hour window, it's okay, then

you don't have any free time.

314

no, you're in your room

putting your clothes away.

315

And that's one of those things about,

I read in one of the parenting books.

316

There was a, Coach said, if you have

three interceptions in a game, you will

317

be benched for the rest of the game.

318

And he told the quarterback before the

game started very clearly that if this,

319

then that, and there was no emotion.

320

It was just plain and clear.

321

And so with the laundry thing.

322

It's always been very clear and

we allow for life to happen.

323

trust me, if something, if there's an

extra event or we're out of town, or, I

324

mean, of course, like this is going back

to the word of the day, scaffolding, this

325

is just scaffolding that gets to be flexed

and it does flex, but yeah, if he's had 24

326

hours to do it and then it doesn't happen.

327

And there's, there's no extenuating

circumstance that it's okay, then you

328

sit in your room and you don't have to

put it away, but you're gonna sit in

329

your room and stare at the door until

it gets put away, because again, we're

330

setting our kids up for success when

they move out of the house, they need

331

these tools to know how to self guide

themselves and taking care of their space.

332

, so like my clean clothes, like I said,

when they get to that chair, because

333

I do my clothes, my laundry on Sunday.

334

So sometimes on Monday it's still there,

I like to do, okay, this is another tool.

335

Okay.

336

Have I ever told you

about marathon and relay?

337

Lacey: No, but I have an idea.

338

Sara: I like to break up tasks into

thinking of them as marathon or relay.

339

So let's say all the clothes are clean.

340

Marathon is, you dump them all out,

you sort them into categories, you

341

fold them, you immediately hang them

up, put them in their cubby, wherever

342

they go, and you do it all at once.

343

I'm a very relay person.

344

So like the clean laundry will get dumped

on the bed, and then maybe, I don't know,

345

the next time I walk by, it could be an

hour, it could be two hours, I might put

346

them into different categories, sort them.

347

And then, if I have momentum.

348

I'll pair the socks.

349

I'll fold the pants.

350

I'll do the things.

351

And then sometimes

352

I just leave it all

353

Lacey: You sort and then fold?

354

Sara: Yes.

355

Lacey: while

356

folding.

357

Sorry.

358

Now you're, you're

blowing my mind right now.

359

. Sara: Okay.

360

And here is why I'm glad you asked.

361

I am never saying there's one

362

Lacey: Oh

363

Sara: things.

364

You do what works for you.

365

I have found for myself, I always

talk about the decision tree.

366

A or B, A or B.

367

I find it easier for myself to

sort into categories all at once.

368

If I sort and fold, I'm going into

two different parts of my brain.

369

I'm picking up a sock.

370

I'm looking for the other sock.

371

I'm folding the socks.

372

Okay, now I'm picking up shorts.

373

Okay, now I'm folding shorts.

374

If I just go shorts, socks,

top, if I'm just sorting into

375

categories, I do that so fast.

376

Then if you have five t shirts, And I

fold my t shirts like my gym shirts.

377

Then I'm just folding all the five

shirts the same at the same time.

378

So I'm not going between

how do I fold my pants?

379

How do I fold my socks?

380

How do I fold my I'm doing

like, I always say to people

381

all the time, like with like,

382

Lacey: You are blowing my

383

mind.

384

Because I, so remember I have this

bag full of clothes that could be

385

anybody's, could be any type of thing.

386

And I sit down and in my mind,

I have to fold, sort and fold.

387

And it could be millions of categories.

388

But now I'm realizing, oh, what

if I just sorted to start it with?

389

Even if I just sorted it back into bags,

390

Sara: you could.

391

I would not go back into bags.

392

To me, that's taking a step

393

Lacey: Okay,

394

but I but as you're saying this I'm like,

yeah, I not only am I categorizing by what

395

it is I'm categorizing by whose it is and

396

Sara: I guess you could do it

into a bag or a basket , if it's

397

going into a different room.

398

So if you're like, oh, this is

all Iris's stuff, then it would

399

go in a different basket because

then you'd have to transport it.

400

I'm going to blow your

mind even once up further.

401

We do our laundry by person.

402

Everyone has their laundry day.

403

I am not mixing people's socks together.

404

I'm not trying to figure

out whose sock is this.

405

I'm not.

406

And then sheets are done on one day.

407

Towels will do that in one day.

408

I do not, you know, that whole

thing of like, you're folding a

409

towel, you're pulling off a sock.

410

Like I don't do that.

411

Lacey: All of our stuff is

different enough that it is a very

412

quick decision on whose it is.

413

So that isn't hard for me.

414

I will say when I do folding and I get

something that's like a random towel or

415

sheet, I do just set that to the side.

416

now that we're talking about it,

I do a little bit of this already,

417

but I do wonder if it would make it.

418

Especially for the kids clothes,

because I either take it to their

419

room and fold it if it's all theirs,

or I fold it in our bed, and then

420

I take the piles to their room.

421

Sara: The

422

other thing that you could do is, so I

like that the bags, because you have two

423

floors of laundry, so you're carrying the

bag between floors, but if all the laundry

424

up on the second floor, it's just, is this

going to Isaac's room or Isaac's room?

425

Iris's room, you could

have designated baskets.

426

So they're wider and shallower.

427

You could fold it all on your bed

and just put it into each basket.

428

And then the key is, is that

basket is only for clean.

429

And then that clean basket goes

on top of the dresser or whatever.

430

But if it's like white or some

distinct color, that's not the

431

hamper, then you could sit in your

bed and do it all in one place.

432

This is my jam.

433

again,

434

Going back to your home as

an organization, you are

435

streamlining repetitive processes.

436

Is that the, is that

the plural of process?

437

have no idea.

438

Processes?

439

Lacey: it is.

440

Sara: You're streamlining these things

that you do all the time so that you can

441

conserve your energy for the one offs.

442

Or for the, things that you want

to be doing or for things that

443

come up that were unexpected.

444

So make laundry, meal planning,

cleaning, mail as routine, as

445

least mental strain as possible.

446

Have all of these things be so just

automated, no brainer, that It is

447

just you don't even think about it.

448

Lacey: so can I just tell you

what my takeaway is going to be?

449

I think what I'm going to do is I'm

going to see if we can get a colored

450

hanger thing, like we already have one

color for Isaac and one color for Iris.

451

And then I can sort and pull their clothes

out and put them in the appropriate bag.

452

Cause sometimes things get messed up

in the move from one room to another.

453

And then I get frustrated cause I'm

like, man, I took the time to fold that.

454

So, I wouldn't fold them yet.

455

I would put them in there unfolded

and then take it back to their

456

room, get it out, and then

they would have to put it away.

457

I would put Iris's away because

she still can't even reach

458

half of the things for her.

459

but what that also does is then I have

an empty bag because each of my kids

460

have a hamper or a basket, and then

sometimes Joe will just take that,

461

but then they don't have that basket.

462

there in their room again.

463

So then that's where dirty

clothes end up more on the floor.

464

So what that does is when that gets

put away, it has created that bag for

465

Joe to be able to use, to bring their

stuff back up or as their stuff comes.

466

So

467

Sara: Yeah.

468

Lacey: I am seeing it.

469

It's happening.

470

I love it so much.

471

Sara: It's just, it's a house factory.

472

You're doing this stuff over and

over and it's just make that process.

473

and

474

efficient.

475

All back to the closed chair, which is the

closed chair can be part of this process.

476

, if it's clean and you haven't gotten

it all the way there, if it's not

477

all the way dirty and you want to

just have it in a holding place, just

478

making sure it's designated clearly and

that things maybe don't start to live

479

there unless that's your intention,

480

which is also fine.

481

But I would say if things start living

there, Then you get to ask yourself,

482

is the putting away process, is there

something that is hindering this?

483

Is there something that could

be easier in the process?

484

Lacey: So in my old

485

house, I

486

could.

487

I could.

488

tell you right away in my old house,

it was a very narrow, long closet,

489

so it was very difficult for me to

get in and put things away easily.

490

That was my barrier every time.

491

right now, I think it's because I

need to start getting rid of some

492

of my hanging clothes that just live

there that I haven't worn in a while.

493

Cause I don't just, for some reason, the

ones that I do wear, I'm like, well, I'm

494

going to wear this one tomorrow anyway.

495

You know what I mean?

496

So like I, I think I need

to refresh so that it fits.

497

Like it's not, I don't

know, it's not dead.

498

I don't know what else to say.

499

let me just say it starts off

in that I do all that folding.

500

I have set aside the

clothes to be hung up.

501

And at that point for

me, I'm exhausted, right?

502

Cause that was a lot for me, a lot

of armament and that kind of stuff.

503

but then the thing that prevents it

from happening later on is I'm like,

504

I'll probably just wear that dress

soon anyway, so I won't hang it up.

505

Sara: Well, and that is interesting.

506

I love this statistic, which I can't

trace back its origin, but it is something

507

to the effect of you wear 20 percent

of your closet, 80 percent of the time.

508

So that 20 percent that you laundered

that is the that is 80 percent of what you

509

wear So what's really interesting is

if everything's in the laundry and

510

I know there's seasons and I know

there's special activities but if You

511

do your laundry and that's all removed

for your closet and your dressers.

512

Look at what's left

513

and When is the last time I wore this?

514

What am I keeping this for?

515

And I know that's boring and

that's, that's under the header

516

of processing, which I've said

before, processing is super boring.

517

But if you're realizing your drawers

don't close easily because they're

518

jam packed, it's time to process.

519

If you realize you're, you know, when

you go to try to hang something up and

520

you're like

521

shoving,

522

And you're using all your body

weight to get that hanger in there.

523

It's time to process.

524

And the thing of but I don't want

to like not have enough clothes.

525

You wear 20 percent of your closet.

526

We can only wear one, one

of everything at a time.

527

And even if you did laundry every

14 days, you still only need 14.

528

of each item.

529

So it's just something

interesting to think about.

530

Lacey: I want to know everyone's

mental math about when, how

531

something can be worn again.

532

Because I think everyone has their

own idea of this, and you definitely

533

have one, and I know I have one.

534

So I want to talk about that.

535

And two, I want to give you all

an update on my clothes chair

536

and laundry system journey.

537

I'm going to make it happen and we're

going to come back and revisit this.

538

We'll have a part two.

539

laundry

540

part two.

541

can we do real quick gratitude?

542

Real quick.

543

Sara: Yeah.

544

Lacey: Okay.

545

I am grateful for therapy.

546

I had a really big, breakthrough

in therapy this week and I

547

just feel like a new person.

548

I am very content and happy and

not in a like ignoring things way.

549

Like I feel at peace with a lot

of the things in my life and

550

I'm just so thankful for that.

551

Sara: Thankful.

552

Love it.

553

I am thankful for air conditioning.

554

It's very hot.

555

I'm so thankful we have air conditioning.

556

The

557

Lacey: Me too.

558

too.

559

Thank you, Sarah.

560

Sara: Thank you, Lacey.