Episode 6: Embracing Health & The Future
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Alexandra and Christine here, and today marks the second part of our enlightening conversation with our guest Travaris. As a friendly reminder, this episode continues our discussions on body image, health, and related issues. If these topics might trigger sensitive feelings, feel free to skip this episode. However, if you're seeking uplifting conversations around these themes or wish to engage in open discourse, come join us!
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Reintroducing Travaris
Born in the Spice Girl era, Travaris feels it’s her mission to keep Girl Power Alive. When she is not plotting on how to make the world a better place for women, she enjoys reading and writing.
Health & Medical in the US
Gender Disparity & Health: Reflecting on the disparities in healthcare discussions concerning women's weight in comparison to men, including story from Travaris.
Personal Experiences: Sharing Christine's upbringing and experiences with doctor visits, emphasizing that a uniform approach to health isn't suitable for everyone. Sharing our experiences with menstrual products and the discussion of pricing differences. For more information about the Pink Tax check out Taking back the ‘pink tax’: How brands are joining forces to make period products more affordable article from thegrio.com. To submit receipts to the Tampon Tax Back Coalition check out their website.
Encounters with Professionals: Narrating personal interactions with medical doctors and nutritionists.
Weight-related Advertisements: Critiquing the advertising trends for weight loss services, supplements, and fast food industries.
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Our Hopes for the Future
Aspirations for Change: Individual visions for reshaping societal views and health narratives.
Observations of Progress: Examining whether there's noticeable progress toward these envisioned changes.
Social Media's Role Moving Forward
Revisiting Social Media's Influence: Continuing the discussion on social media's evolving role in body image conversations.
Influencers We Follow: Sharing insights on influential figures each of us follows, their perspectives on body image, and their positive impact. Including: Ashley Graham (@ashleygraham); Barbie Ferreira (@barbieferreira); Danae Mercer Ricci (@danaemercer); Sarah Nicole Landry (@thebirdspapaya); Olivia Nevill (@livlivinlife__); Sarah Catterson (@sarahcattersoncoaching); Abby Pollock (@abby); Maddie (@madfit.ig); Emma Arletta (@emma.arletta); Remi Jo Bader (@remibader); Marielle Greguski (@mariellegreguski); Natasha Polis (@tashapolis); Averi Camille (@avericamille); Dani DMC (@danidmc); Carmen Rene (@eatthecaketoo). *We have no affiliation with these creators, just enjoy their content.
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Hello and welcome to the Mirror Project.
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:We're your host, Alexandra,
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:Christine: And Christine.
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:Alexandra: and we are so
glad you are joining us.
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:Today we'll be continuing our
conversation from last week in
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:the second part of this episode.
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:We're so excited to welcome
back our guest, Traveris.
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:Again, if you're currently dealing with
body image issues, weight issues, or
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:eating disorders, these may be triggering
conversations and we completely understand
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:if you want to skip this episode.
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:However, if you are on the road
to recovery or know someone who's
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:struggling with any of these, We invite
you into this conversation where we
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:hope to create a safe space for open
discourse, whether we disagree with
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:each other's thoughts and opinions.
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:We plan for this one to
be a bit more uplifting.
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:Christine: Before we dive into today's
topic, like, subscribe, or follow us
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:on your preferred listening platform.
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:Go ahead, pause, and do
it now before you forget.
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:Don't worry, we won't
get started without you!
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:I want to welcome back our guest Traveris,
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:born in the Spice Girl era, it's her
mission to keep girl power alive.
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:When she's not plotting on how to
make the world a better place for
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:women, she enjoys reading and writing.
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:Welcome back, Traveris.
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:Travaris: for having me.
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:Alexandra: welcome back.
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:And so let's jump right into our
first topic of today's episode.
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:So I know we covered quite a lot
of ground in the last episode.
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:And today we wanted to move Hopefully in a
bit more upward trajectory, more hopeful.
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:So and not starting there at the
moment, we're going to talk about
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:health and medical in the US.
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:So what have been our experiences with
Western medicine as it comes to weight and
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:health and any kind of experiences that
we've had and contradictions we've seen?
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:So I think Traveris, you had mentioned
an interesting story about a locker room.
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:You want to share more?
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:Travaris: sure.
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:So I read something once
I was in high school.
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:So this is like years ago.
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:We won't say how many years, but
years ago I was reading this thing
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:and they were saying that women were
more comfortable and undressing.
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:In front of a man than they were
undressing in front of other women.
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:Like, maybe in a locker room setting,
maybe they had to change clothes,
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:maybe you're sleeping over at your
friend's house and it gets really
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:awkward when you want to like, put
your shirt on or take your pants off.
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:So I just found that very interesting
that, In media, women are supposed
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:to be set for the male gaze, but we
are actually more afraid to undress
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:around our female counterparts.
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:So what do you guys think about that?
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:Christine: It's really interesting.
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:I think back to when I was in
school, I really didn't have any
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:experience of like a locker room
setting until I was in high school.
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:I was, I'm just trying to think back
on where my mind was at and get into
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:the locker room and you want to just
get dressed as quick as you can.
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:You don't want anyone to look at you.
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:And just move on with your day.
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:And for, at least for me,
freshman year was a year where
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:my body weight fluctuated a lot.
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:Like, what I came into that year
was different than when I ended
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:that year So, you know, it it's
really interesting to think about.
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:What about you, Alex?
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:Alexandra: Yeah, I was thinking about
so I think I had a locker rooms for
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:physical education, I think starting
as early as fifth year, right?
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:So, because before that, we would
just do phys ed in Or uniforms.
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:I went to a private school, so,
with the lovely jumpers, with the
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:skirts, and the awful primary colors.
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:But fifth grade was the year that their
locker room, so you had a locker, and I
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:remember this weird conversation with the
female PE teacher, because there was four
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:of them, I think, for PE, and she was
the only female, the others were male.
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:And so she talked about, okay, so
this is a year that Many girls'
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:bodies will start to be changing.
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:It's important to use deodorant
like, and if you had some girls
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:have their menstruation cycle, I
suggest keeping stuff in your locker.
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:And I remember phrasing this, so this is
definitely one point to come back to about
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:menstruation cycles, but she was always
like, if I'm not around and you have to go
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:to the bathroom or like be excused to take
care of something and it's only one of the
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:male teachers should just say you have a.
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:a women's issue or something, so I thought
that was a weird, but then I remember
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:in freshman year of high school I got
thinking about like the undressing in
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:a room full of a lot of girls because
there were so many groups at one time,
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:and we had swim that year, so like
trying to shower in your bathing suit
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:and then like quickly, you know, it's
not, I don't remember it being uber
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:fun, and I was More concerned about
what other girls might have thought.
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:Travaris: but I would like to add,
like, maybe a positive spin on that.
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:Cause I don't know, I was just thinking
about locker room, but I forgot that I
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:was in the military so in bootcamp, you
like, there's no, you can be shy about it.
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:You're literally sleeping in
a room with 80 other women.
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:I think it was 90.
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:And so there's like a locker room
style showering situation every day.
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:And it was like, they had about
maybe six or seven shower heads.
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:So six girls were under one
showerhead every time you shower.
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:There was no such thing as
you get a private shower.
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:Like, for eight weeks you were showering
with, I make a joke, like, I've
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:seen more naked women than most men.
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:Like, it was crazy, but it also taught
me that, like, that's the first place.
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:I think I was 19 when I went to boot camp.
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:I think that's the first place
that I learned that everybody's
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:body did not look the same.
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:And I don't mean in like
terms of like weight.
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:I just meant in like the
way like things were shaped.
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:Like I was like, Whoa, I've
never seen that before.
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:Like, I didn't know a vagina
could actually look like that.
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:And that was just like, it kind
of just made me think about.
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:Like, I always thought, like, my
body was how everybody's body looked.
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:Like, I'm a woman, that's a woman, so
under her clothes, she looks like me.
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:And that was not the case,
and I just was like, wow.
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:So it kind of just made me think,
like, in the, in for this conversation,
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:that, like, we have this one size fits
all, but our bodies aren't even made
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:the same in terms of our genitalia.
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:Like, how we look in our
genital areas and It was
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:wild because it's, it's also like, kind
of like, you don't want to be a creep.
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:So you're like trying to like, not
look at somebody like showering or
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:like, I'm admiring this like girl.
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:I'm like, Oh, she looks really and
like, okay, like it's, it was a very
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:awkward like situation, but it just
kind of made like the whole, like we
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:didn't, we couldn't, we didn't have
the luxury of being embarrassed.
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:Like you couldn't be embarrassed
because you had to wash.
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:So you had to get in there.
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:So.
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:It was a very fun,
awkward, weird experience.
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:So, yeah.
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:Alexandra: Yeah.
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:Because you know, and you bring
up the one size fits all, which
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:makes a great point into like when
we go to doctor's office, right?
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:Or at least here, it seems like, okay, if
you don't fall within this prescribed area
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:of this metric, whether it be weight or
blood pressure, then you are too much or
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:too little and you just need to fix it.
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:And it's like, well.
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:That may not be healthy for my body,
so this whole one size fits all
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:mentality is, I don't know, almost
more damaging, I think, because you
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:said, like, you think, oh, this is a
woman, I'm a woman, we'll have the same
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:stuff, and you're like, well, that same
stuff can look very different, so why
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:wouldn't we have that same approach
when it comes to, like, medical advice?
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:Christine: right.
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:Yeah, from the, the jump, when I
first started understanding what
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:was happening when I go to like
physicals or the doctor and they would
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:constantly, you know, I was, I was
overweight as a kid, according to them
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:and constantly would talk about it.
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:I remember the first time a diet
was brought up to me, I was, I
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:don't even think I was 10 years old
which, you know, starting that young
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:and already telling a kid that you
should start restricting what you eat
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It's damaging, I think more than a lot of people realize.
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:And I always was so frustrated coming
out of a doctor's appointment because
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:they would tell me everything I
was doing wrong, but that wouldn't
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:help me understand how I can start.
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:Making changes and doing what they
think is right, which is, I think, an
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:ass backwards way of thinking about
a person's health, because you're not
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:the one living in my body, I am, so I
should be dictating what is right for me.
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:And, yeah, I, I do really give a lot of
credit to my mom, who, She was always
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:there for me whenever we went into
those situations, really advocated for
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:me before I was old enough to start
doing that for myself, and tried to help
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:me as best she could, but It was just
the nature, and I think, I don't know,
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:it's been a minute since I've been in
a doctor's office, like, as a teenager.
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:But don't know, I just, I don't
know how much it's changed.
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:I hope it has, but I don't
know if it really has, which is
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:sad.
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:Travaris: But also, you bring
up the D word, diet, and
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:like, yes, we will not speak of it,
but I actually had an experience
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:with that, self imposed I put on like
10 pounds, and I found out around
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:Christmas, and I'm like, oh, only on
fruits and veggies, I can't eat anything
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:else, and my girlfriend got involved.
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:And we found out that the whole just
eating fruits and vegetables all day.
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:I was nauseated.
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:I can't do this.
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:we got to try something else.
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:And we got into fasting, the
intermittent fasting and I'm like,
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:Oh, this is going to be great.
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:So we did the 16, eight, fast
for 16 hours, eat for eight.
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:And I'm thinking Oh, this
is, this is going to work.
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:And.
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:Last week, she brought
something worse than the D word.
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:She brought a scale into the home.
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:And I was like, like, and I instantly
got on it and I had gained weight.
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:And my night was ruined and
I was just like, my God.
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:And I'm like one o'clock in the
morning, she's trying to sleep.
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:And I'm looking at my BMI, I'm
like, Oh my God, I'm overweight.
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:And she's like, can
you please go to sleep?
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:It is 2 AM.
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:We'll talk about this later.
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:I'm like, no, do you still love me?
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:And it's just It kind of like when you say
they say diet and all these fasting and
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:then they never educate people on how they
actually work or how the body works when
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:you start to restrict food because With
the fasting yeah, you can fast but when
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:your body is able to eat I was overeating
and I was like Cause I was, I was hungry.
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:So it was like, Oh, I'm
doing all these things.
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:And my girlfriend was just like, Hey,
when you get to the point to where you're
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:hangry, your body is going to go into
overdrive when it's taken in calories.
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:So it's just like, they say, Oh, just
get on a diet or Oh, restrict eating.
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:But they don't, they don't really
educate people on how that might be
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:actually causing more problems or
like putting you in a deeper hole
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:then.
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:You losing weight.
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:It doesn't work like oh, I just
eat less and then it's it's
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:okay like that doesn't work
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:Alexandra: Right, because I also
don't think medical doctors, like
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:MDs, have as much information about
nutrition and the body in terms
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:of fueling it as they pretend to.
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:So I remember being, like you said,
Christine, Oh, I didn't have support.
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:They're just like, do this.
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:And you're like, okay, so
then they'll send you off to a
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:nutritionist or a bariatric medicine.
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:their department for bariatrics
and I'm like, okay, not really.
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:So I have experience
with that in high school.
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:I was recovering ish from my eating
disorder and I was seeing somebody who
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:was a longtime family friend and who
was a nutritionist and it was kind of
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:cool to learn more about body and how
like BMI, which even my doctor has
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:said recently that the BMI is total
bullshit, so don't listen to that.
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:And I was like, well, that's great
that you still use that then.
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:This nutritionist was, wanted me to eat.
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:the way she thought was right and
in versus what was right for me.
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:So what she thought was healthy, what
she thought was the right amount.
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:And I think that just doesn't
account for how individual,
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:because you talked about diet.
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:That's the first thing we do.
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:So instead of the question is
how are you fueling your body?
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:Have you tried putting more
whole fruits and veg and.
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:Quality proteins into it.
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:It's like, no, just restrict.
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:Well, restricting, like you said, can
send your body into, when you start to
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:feel hungry, you overdo it because you're
going, hey, you've been starving me.
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:I have to hold on.
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:So it's.
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:That's one of those things.
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:It's like, why don't we take time
to learn what's best for our body?
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:So I think when you're, if you're looking
for a nutritionist, it's finding one
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:who will work with you and like what
you can reasonably do, not what's good
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:for them, but it's, it's so difficult.
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:It's like, you have to play.
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:Doctor for yourself and you're like
most doctors don't really appreciate
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:when you go into the office and go
hey I think I have all this stuff
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:and I'd like to talk about it.
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:Like you don't have a medical degree.
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:are you doing?
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:Christine: Right?
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:But I'm living in my body, so I
feeling everything I'm feeling and.
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:You don't have any right
to tell me otherwise.
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:So,
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:Alexandra: a PhD of my own
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:Christine: exactly.
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:Yeah, no, it's The, world of nutrition,
I think is still really under studied.
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:and really, Your genetics
play a huge role.
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:In how your body will react
to gaining or losing weight.
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:And, you know, the one thing I
learned from my experience, like if,
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:if you restrict your body, your body
is, yes, you're going to overeat,
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:but your body will automatically
start changing how it stores.
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:the food you're eating, because if
you're keeping, if you're depriving
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:yourself, it's going to start storing
that and you won't lose weight.
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:You'll just gain it or stay consistent
at whatever weight you're at.
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:Alexandra: Yeah, because I don't think
our bodies have evolved past the you
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:know Mechanisms that we've had for
thousands of years many thousands
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:of years because it's doesn't evolve
that quickly the way our society has
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:evolved around food and food production.
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:So yeah, it is
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:quite interesting.
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:Travaris: Can I take like a little
pivot I mean, I hope I don't
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:get too too far off the topic but
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:in my You know my you know how I
was saying like the weight thing
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:and dieting and stuff I stopped
fasting, but I realized that where
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:I was gaining the weight, it was
going in all the, like, right places.
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:So I have this, I have this, like, thing
where it's either I like the number on
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:the scale, but I don't like how I look.
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:I don't like looking like a 15 year
old girl below the waist, but when
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:the scale says a number that I'm
like, Oh, this is a danger number.
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:This is a panic number.
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:I look a lot better.
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:And I was, it made me think about
this thing that I had read a
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:couple of years ago about a model.
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:She says she went to Italy, like she was
shooting in Italy and working in Italy.
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:And she said, I would
just eat pasta every day.
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:And she's like, I gained 15 pounds.
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:And she was like, I had never felt like
more than like of a woman than after that.
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:And when I was thinking about
this and being on hard on myself
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:and not eating, I was like, but
you like how you look like this.
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:the only con, like only gripe you
have about it, it's the number.
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:I was like, you, it's not like you see the
number and you're like, oh, I look gross.
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:It's you like this, you
feel good, you look good.
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:And I was just like, I wonder a lot
of times, is it, like if we didn't
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:have that number, but of course
I'm not saying you know, just do
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:whatever and don't be healthy.
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:I was watching this thing the other
day and she was like your goal
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:should be to be healthy, not skinny.
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:And I was like, what if I could find
a way to incorporate working out to
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:where my body starts to build muscle?
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:And the weight, the number is going
to be bigger because muscle weighs
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:more, but I look better, I feel better,
and I'm doing a lot better than I
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:would if I was that 10 pound slider.
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:So I wonder is the problem with what
we think about our weight versus like
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:what that, like our actual weight.
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:Alexandra: I would agree with that.
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:I mean, I think at some point, some
numbers of weight do indicate a
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:serious amount of unhealthiness, right?
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:Because severe amounts of weight
can cause impact on your heart.
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:But I do agree with you in the
sense of like, if a doctor's
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:like, you need to lose 10 pounds
because this is the ideal number.
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:For everyone but doesn't
take into account.
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:What's healthy per person and
I think that you're right.
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:It's finding out what's healthy
It's not let me get to this number.
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:It's let me feel good in my body.
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:Let me feel strong Let me feel like I
can move my body and my joints with ease
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:so I think that's a really good point
to say and it's I know that I've seen
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:worked really hard on that shift in
my own mentality because you know, I
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:think I mentioned last episode I haven't
stepped on the scale or I haven't looked
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:at the number on the scale in well
over a decade and a couple weeks ago
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:started going to a new medical practice.
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:That's more integrative, holistic kind of.
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:Functional.
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:And I saw the number on the
checkout paperwork, right?
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:And I was like, saw it.
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:I was like, I am so
unhappy with that number.
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:Like, I am not happy about it, but
my mindset didn't go back into where
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:I was as a teenager of the immediate
restrictiveness because I've worked on
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:this for like six months mentally of my
relationship to food and diet and going
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:okay Restricting has never worked for me.
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:It doesn't sustain whatever
version of healthy.
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:I'm trying to achieve How do I do that?
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:So I think a week ago I stepped on
the scale again just to see how it's
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:doing I actually looked at the number
on the scale myself and I was like,
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:holy crap I mean that was a huge step
for me have not doing that myself
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:in over 50 10 years, not quite 15.
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:And still going, I'm not happy
with the number, but I'm happy
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:with how, the direction it's
going and how I'm achieving that.
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:Because it's like, part of me wants
to go, Oh my gosh, you have to go
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:back down to like less than 1200
calories, and you're like, no.
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:That's never worked.
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:Focus on putting good quality foods in,
and I think that's a huge part of it.
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:It's focusing on the foods that we do eat.
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:you know, necessarily cutting out things.
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:And for some people to lose weight,
they actually might need to consume
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:more calories than they are, you know?
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:And I think sometimes the medical
professional is like, just lose
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:weight, and you're like, but how?
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:Christine: And then there's a whole nother
experience I've never lived before, which
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:is people who struggle to gain weight,
who are underweight and struggle to, cause
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:their body just, I don't know the science
behind it, but from my understanding,
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:their body just burns whatever they put
in and It really comes down to how you're
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:feeling yourself and, and for me right
now, I see like every time you go to the
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:grocery store, there's the organic section
and then there's the regular section and
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:there's always a price difference, but
like, I really wonder, that's just a word.
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:They're slapping on there.
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:I mean, how do you really know if
it's truly like, what is organic?
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:Travaris: Yeah.
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:Alexandra: to have organic labeling,
you have to meet certain requirements
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:in terms of growing processes.
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:But words like natural, if you say
natural, have bullshit meaning,
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:like it does not mean anything.
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:But for the term organic, they have
to have certain growing practices.
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:They can't use certain
pesticides and stuff.
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:So there is a little bit of
difference, but you know, it's still
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:Christine: it's, yeah.
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:Alexandra: how we package and
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:Christine: Yeah, it's also just a
way to make people who can't afford
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:to eat healthy, quote unquote
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:Alexandra: Yeah.
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:Christine: And also, our
standards here in the U.
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:S.
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:versus standards around the world and
it's really like, really hard for you
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:to feel like you're set up for success.
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:Travaris: And Christine, I feel like
what you said about like the, cause I'm,
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:I'm totally with you on like the organic
stuff, like it's like, how do you know,
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:but I always, I also think like people
that buy that stuff, there, there has
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:to be a, the placebo effect has to kick
in because if someone's telling you,
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:okay, these 14 apples where it's grown
by some man, like on this, just this.
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:this pure soil, you're gonna,
you're gonna want to think that,
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:yeah, the 14 apples, because you're
gonna, you're gonna have to, because
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:that price difference on your
shopping cart is gonna make you feel
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:like, no, we need the 14 apples.
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:So I feel like you, I don't, I mean,
unless you know, no, but I just feel
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:like a lot of that is like marketing.
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:And
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:like, if I tell you it's better,
you'll, you'll believe it's better.
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:It's kind of like anything else
that we have in our society.
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:Like, The the 50 makeup palette
versus the wet and wild like
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:it's like, oh, this is better.
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:But you
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:know
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:Alexandra: I think it's a mix of facts
of what goes into it, but also quite some
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:good marketing brains behind that, right?
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:I mean, think about it.
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:Like, everything we see on TV, so Yes,
there's quite a price association with
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:organic and I think some of it is true
But like you said some of it is just
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:bullshit It's like if you can wash your
vegetables really well, you're probably
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:gonna wash off a lot of the waxes and
stuff But I think we had mentioned in the
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:last episode that it's almost when you
start eating quote unquote healthier more
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:like just vegetables or meats or with
less of the processed packaged goods of
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:like Cereals and whatnot then people will
think you're on a diet versus just eating.
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:And how that can be almost
prohibitively expensive.
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:So you're like, okay, so we're
eating not so great stuff.
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:Then our doctors are
telling us to lose weight.
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:So we go back for more medical stuff.
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:And we're just paying
quite a lot for achieving
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:nothing.
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:But as to Christine's point, yeah, there's
quite a few like chemicals or pesticides
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:that are not allowed in other countries
or like Europe on their foods that we
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:Just for like, yeah, here, have it.
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:Christine: Mm hmm.
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:Alexandra: It won't hurt you.
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:Even though there's plenty of
studies that show that they do.
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:Christine: Exactly.
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:And it's, it's almost like, you know,
the thought of, this just came to me,
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:like, the idea of organic, it's just
an excuse for them to slap a higher
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:price tag on it, and that correlates,
that was correlating to me, like, the
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:pink tacks that have, that we come in,
in contact with, with female products.
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:You know razors.
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:Menstruation pads and tampons and
things like that, it's really just
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:an for people to, know, make you pay
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:more.
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:Alexandra: segment of the market
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:Christine: Yeah.
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:That's, that's pissed up.
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:Alexandra: But you bring up a really
good point about period stuff, right?
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:And menstruation and the pink tax.
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:I think maybe over the past
Maybe not quite full year.
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:I have definitely seen a lot more
talk about women's menstruation cycles
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:and the cycles of our hormones as it
relates to our health and it's why is
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:it only now that we're really starting
to more openly talk about how much
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:this impacts our bodies and can affect
our health, our hunger anything.
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:And it wasn't talked about
when like we were teenagers
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:Christine: Mm
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:Alexandra: our bodies were changing.
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:Travaris: But I do think the reason one
of the reasons I believe is I don't this
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:isn't like factual I think a lot of it
is because the reason why they're just
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:now telling us or we're just getting
to the point where we're like, oh is
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:because for so long, people, like,
they didn't have, like, men thought,
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:like, a woman bleeding for a week.
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:They thought we were, like, witches
or, like, we were, like, some, like,
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:we were, like, they, it was all these
things I, like, read about, like,
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:prehistoric or, like, they thought,
like, it was something, like, the
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:women were controlling the weather
or they were making, like, crops die.
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:They really thought it was just
some, like, sinister, happening.
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:And I think They graduated
from that to believe like, Oh,
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:this just happens to women.
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:But I still feel like it's very taboo.
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:Cause like, so I was reading something
like three or four or five years ago
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:and they were like, we're still hiding
pads when we go to the bathroom.
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:everyone knows if you're like of
a certain age, you have a period.
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:And that happens once, once
a month for like a week.
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:So why are we like.
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:I have to take my makeup bag in
the stall with me or I'll stuff it
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:in my bra or like it because if I
don't have pockets that day, and
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:we're doing this around other women.
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:It's not like I'm like, this is a
male bathroom and I'm like, Oh, please
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:don't see my, I call them diapers.
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:But, but it's A thing that's dirty
or nasty or like, Hey, take care of
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:that in private, you know, so I think
the reason why we're not getting okay,
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:this is affecting how you show up every
day is because we've just gotten away
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:from the idea that we're still kind
of in the idea that, Oh, it's dirty.
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:Like, Oh, you know, make sure
you clean up after yourself or
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:don't have a scent about it.
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:Or like, you know, try to control
your emotions or Another thing,
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:it's a running joke with men.
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:Oh, you're really emotional today.
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:Is it that time of the month?
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:I remember reading, something about,
Roseanne Parr said she's, a lot of people,
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:hate their period, but she's, this is
the only time of the month that I feel
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:like I can totally be a total bitch.
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:And it's okay, because it's, like,
the, because even for myself,
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:sometimes when I'm on my period,
I'm, like, why am I crying about?
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:A Kraft cheese commercial and then I'm
like, oh, yeah, that's why so I just feel
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:like I'm sorry I went to get too far, but
I think we don't have all that information
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:is because no one's comfortable with
women having periods or women bleeding
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:Christine: Right.
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:Alexandra: that's a good point.
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:I remember when I first started, like,
my mom was like, Oh, you know, don't
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:necessarily talk to your dad about that.
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:It might make him uncomfortable.
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:And it was just not, it was kind of taboo,
like you said, and it's like, but why?
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:Or then you see videos Instagram of
guys being so embarrassed to go to
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:a market to get their girlfriend or
sister or mom, like pads and tampons.
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:And you're like, it's a
natural part of life, people.
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:You wouldn't be here if
a woman didn't have that.
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:So, I think I'm definitely coming,
becoming more comfortable with
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:talking about it more openly
because it's a part of our bodies.
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:It's a part of our health.
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:Christine: I definitely hit that back.
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:in high school, I was like,
why the heck do I have to be
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:delicate around this topic?
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:no, I have to experience it.
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:So everybody else does.
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:No, I'm kidding.
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:Alexandra: So you'll
share the experience with
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:Christine: But, you know,
I grew up with sisters.
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:So like in my household.
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:There was four women who
eventually were having periods.
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:So my dad just sort of was like, all
right, this is just, this is part of life.
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:And I really appreciate how.
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:Supportive he was, you know,
when he would go to the grocery
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:store, it was on the list.
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:He was like, all right, which,
product do you like best?
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:And was happy to buy it
and not be weird about it.
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:the only reason why this taboo
still exists is because people
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:are perpetuating this idea of
like, oh, let's not talk about it.
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:That's, it's weird or uncomfortable.
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:And it just doesn't have to be that case.
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:this is how our bodies work.
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:Travaris: I also feel like, to Alexander's
point, we're not really talking about what
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:the menstruation cycle does to a woman,
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:because up until recently, I
mean, I didn't really realize
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:that you're just one week.
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:That wasn't the only thing that
was going on like this one.
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:This was actually a male He was like
anyone that's dated or lived with a
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:woman should know that her body is in
under constant Change like this woman.
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:I was watching this really cool video
about this woman and how she divided
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:the woman a woman goes I don't know
you sent this to me Alexandra a woman
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:goes through no, I don't think so She
goes through four seasons every month
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:Alexandra: Mm-Hmm.
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:Travaris: So it's like the winter,
the fall, the the summer, and when I
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:started to think about it like that,
each week is a different season for you.
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:Cause I was watching a video the other
week about this woman said it's all
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:this hustle culture, hustle culture
and manifest this and work hard.
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:And she's like, that's a very
masculine way of looking at it
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:because she's like, our bodies do not.
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:Operate in the way of a man.
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:Can he's nothing's going to
change in a man's body in the
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:month that he's living Like we're
gonna go through so many changes
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:and our energy levels are different our
emotional levels are different Like it's
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:just so many things that are going on
and I and I've just recently learned
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:that and also a woman told me that our
Periods kind of like change every five
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:years so the way that I would menstruate
In high school, it was easy for me.
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:I popped one Advil and
I could run a marathon.
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:I'm fine now.
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:I'm praying.
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:I call him the blood goddesses.
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:I'm like, please, please
have mercy on my soul.
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:what did I ever do to you?
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:And just sometimes just, just.
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:The idea of just getting out of my
bed and walk into the kitchen is,
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:it's, and my body's changed into that.
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:I've, I'd never had that problem before.
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:So it's just like the
evolution of a woman.
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:I think it's actually
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:beautiful, but it's also,
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:Christine: is.
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:Travaris: we're not getting education
on it, but we're also, it also has
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:taught me though, to be more in
tune with my body and listen to
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:more of what she is saying to me.
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:Cause they always give us cues,
but it's like, I don't know.
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:I think we've been taught to ignore
it for so long, or just like,
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:this is just what you got to do.
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:So get through
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:Christine: Mm hmm.
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:Travaris: And I don't think
we should do that, you
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:Christine: No.
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:Alexandra: Well, and it's interesting
that you bring that up because I, I
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:think you either shared that video
with me or we had talked about seeing
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:something similar and honestly, like you
said, going through different cycles,
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:four different things every week.
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:I had no idea until
about a couple weeks ago.
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:I mean, I knew about
bleeding and ovulation.
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:Knew that.
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:I didn't know there was
follicular phase and luteal phase.
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:I was like, what the fuck are these terms?
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:So, you know you know as a woman I'm
just discovering this about my body and
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:I'm like this seems a little messed up
But like you said it's getting more in
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:tune with our body And I think that kind
of goes back to our health right how we
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:eat how much we eat what we eat how much
we work out, what we do with our body.
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:I think learning to better listen
to the cues our bodies are giving
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:us will really probably tell us
more about how to be healthiest
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:for ourself than maybe a doctor.
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:And I'm not talking about like, If
your cues are so messed up because you
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:can't hear them anymore, and that's a
lot of work, that's a separate issue.
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:That's like, definitely work on that.
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:But if you are pretty in tune
with your body, it'll tell
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:you exactly what it needs.
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:I need more water, I need meat, I
need less meat, I need more veg,
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:so.
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:I think that
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:makes a good point about
listening to our bodies
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:Christine: Mm hmm.
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:And also, just don't know who, who
we can demand, but this from, but the
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:medical, the medical world as a whole
has not properly studied women's bodies.
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:since the beginning, and I, I saw
something recently that it was only
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:last year that companies started testing
period products with actual blood,
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:Alexandra: Mm-Hmm.
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:Christine: is wild to me that here
in:
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:now properly testing these products
that we've been forcing, not forced,
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:we've been giving women for decades.
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:Maybe centuries, the heck?
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:Not properly equipped, like, testing this
stuff and just saying, all right, do.
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:Travaris: It works.
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:Wait,
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:Alexandra: why I think I'm a fan of my
my period cup, because even though it's
581
:sometimes a bitch and a half to get out,
you know, , at least it's, it just, it
582
:captures it and that I can deal with it.
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:Travaris: oh, you
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:use the cup?
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:I've never used that.
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:is that like your, out of all the
products you use, has that been, because
587
:I don't know a lot of people that use it.
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:Has it been your favorite?
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:Alexandra: I've really hated
pads ever since I was a teenager.
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:I will do anything to avoid a pad.
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:It just, I don't like.
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:Feeling like you said, a
diaper in my underwear.
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:Like I just, you know, I just don't.
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:That's not for me.
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:So as soon as I learned to use
tampons, I was like, this is for me.
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:So I still have, I carry a couple
tampons around just in case of an
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:emergency and like I don't have
my cup with me, but I love the cup
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:also because you have to change your
pad and your tampon so frequently.
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:I forget.
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:I'm very, knock on wood, grateful
that I never got toxic shock syndrome.
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:Tox toxic shock syndrome.
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:Because I would totally leave it
in longer than the recommended
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:six to four four to six hours.
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:About hour ten I was like, oh
shit, I should go change my tampon.
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:So I do like that the cup you can
leave in for 12 hours and it's
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:fairly easy, particularly when you're
traveling you don't have to carry like
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:five or six pads and your tampons.
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:Plus it's more
environmental, which I like.
609
:Weird fact, totally random, but I recently
learned this week that there's a company
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:that will take used menstrual products
like pads and I think maybe tampons and
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:somehow clean and cycle them as like a
circular economy type, no, circular Yes.
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:Economy to reduce, recycle, reuse,
limit waste going into the ground.
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:Don't know how it works
other than that it exists.
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:And I was like, this is so cool.
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:Christine: So, like, a
616
:Alexandra: So, on that note.
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:Christine: Like, a reusable pad?
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:Alexandra: No, oh, no, no.
619
:It was just they take used menstrual
products and figure out a way to clean
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:them, strip them down to products
and turn it into something else.
621
:Christine: Oh.
622
:Travaris: Oh,
623
:Alexandra: no!
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:Travaris: messy.
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:But, okay, now
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:that makes me feel
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:I'm like, oh, I'm never
buying a pad again.
628
:Alexandra: No, but I mean,
isn't that what, like, Thinx is?
629
:Like, Thinx and some of the other period
underwear is, like, more reusable.
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:I mean, there are reusable
pads out there that you just
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:throw into the washing machine.
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:Christine: True.
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:I
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:mean,
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:Travaris: didn't know that.
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:Oh,
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:Christine: it's it's finding
what works for you, and it's
638
:again, not one size fits all, so
639
:Alexandra: Mm mm.
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:Christine: we just need to make
it more accessible for all women.
641
:All around the
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:Alexandra: Yes.
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:If we can find, I know that there was
some group, it was a collaboration
644
:between brands like Salt and a couple
other that if you submit, like,
645
:your receipts for period products or
shaving, they'll send you back the,
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:the amount of pink tax that's on that.
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:So if we'll find that, we'll definitely
put that in our show notes for our
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:female listeners, because I thought
that was really cool that this kind
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:of collective of companies that care.
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:About like that.
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:I don't want to say injustice, but
discrepancy between the value that men and
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:women pay for products is willing to send
that money back to women who buy products.
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:Travaris: And not only just like
products, but just No one told me
654
:being a woman was so expensive.
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:Like, just aside from like period
products, but just if you want to look
656
:like a just a decent looking woman
the bills that you have just waxing.
657
:I get my hair done every month.
658
:it's just, men can get like a haircut.
659
:And then that's it.
660
:And then that's all.
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:I'm just like, why is it so ex No
one And no one sat me down as a kid
662
:and was like, Okay, these are the
things that you're gonna have to do.
663
:And like, sometimes you feel
like, Oh, these are extras.
664
:But sometimes I'm like,
this isn't an extra thing.
665
:And, and can we talk about how
people use the word self care?
666
:I'm here to tell you, honey, a pedicure
to me is, there's nothing, like, can we
667
:talk about how torturous a pedicure is?
668
:First of all, you're sitting there
for you know, I remember in high,
669
:school, like, it was a fun thing.
670
:You're going to prom or your
mom, like, let you get your.
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:nails done.
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:Now, uh, an adult woman with a full time
job and like other things to do, I'm
673
:like, ma'am, please slap the paint on.
674
:Let me go.
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:And then they're like,
would you like extra lotion?
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:I'm like, listen.
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:Let's go.
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:Like, I gotta go and you're tickling me
and I'm uncomfortable, but I don't want
679
:to say anything because this is your job.
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:the things that women have to go
through and then you pay for these
681
:things and they're and then It's just
like why why didn't anyone tell me?
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:you can easily spend two hundred to three
hundred dollars a month just And grooming
683
:because I don't think it's like self care.
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:It's not like a thing.
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:I'm like, oh, I feel great.
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:I'm at a spa like some woman.
687
:It's like Slowly, I'm whispering
manifestations in my ear.
688
:No, it's like No, you're removing extra
hair off my body and it hurts so bad.
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:. But I have to get this off 'cause they're
gonna look at me funny when my legs
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:are hair . It's like, it's just so much
691
:Alexandra: and the judgment I have about
myself of what other people will think,
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:like, I haven't waxed my underarms in a
long time, but I try to, and the level
693
:you have to let the hair grow out to for
them to wax, like, I was so embarrassed
694
:when I would go, I'm like, I know this
is what I'm here for, but please don't
695
:judge me for the hair that's growing.
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:Travaris: I would always give
my wax people a disclaimer.
697
:I'm like, okay.
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:It's, you know, it's been a long time.
699
:Okay, so don't it.
700
:You can probably braid this
hair if you want it to like,
701
:like please don't say anything.
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:Oh my
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:Alexandra: Well, I mean, I can
relate that to going back to
704
:like a doctor for my physical.
705
:I think I had to go get, you
know, the wet every other year
706
:thing, a pap smear for women.
707
:And I was like, I'm so sorry.
708
:My feet kind of stink and I'm a
worried that my vagina kind of smells
709
:because it's been at the end of the
day And I definitely just worked out.
710
:So here we are.
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:I Apologize and she was like, I'm a doctor
you're fine And I'm still going and I'm
712
:so embarrassed about my body because
like we've said we've seen all those
713
:things that look you have to Look good.
714
:You have to smell pretty
you can't be just you
715
:Travaris: the fact, I think it's so
funny, like the, I was reading this
716
:meme, I think I said this on the last
one, I can't remember, but like when
717
:you have to undress for your pipe smear
and they give you like the little 10
718
:seconds to like take off everything and
get under this, the little paper sheet.
719
:And it's like this girl is like, I always
like rush so my doctor won't see me naked
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:right before she has to see me naked.
721
:It's like, I'm like, why am I
running to this and this lady's
722
:just gonna pull the sheet up and,
and do and look at it anyway.
723
:Christine: Oh my gosh,
724
:Travaris: you hear the knock
on the door, you're like, I'm
725
:Christine: second!
726
:It's almost like there should be a, like
a, a light that sits outside the door
727
:that you flick on when you're, you're
728
:not
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:Travaris: you're ready.
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:Like,
731
:Christine: okay, you can come in.
732
:Travaris: But to, to what you were
saying Alexandra, about like you
733
:giving like your doctor disclaimer.
734
:And it was funny, someone interviewed
a gynecologist and they were
735
:like, How does it feel that you
have to look at vaginas all day?
736
:And she's like, you know what?
737
:I'm just looking at different haircuts.
738
:Christine: There you go.
739
:Alexandra: That's great.
740
:Travaris: Oh, that one time I
went to the, to get a pap and the
741
:woman's like, who's your wax lady?
742
:She did a phenomenal job.
743
:I was like, I'll let Carly know.
744
:And like, she's like, that's probably
one of my favorite compliments.
745
:I was like, yeah, my gynecologist
thinks you're really good
746
:at your job, by the way.
747
:She's like, Oh, really?
748
:I'm like, yeah.
749
:Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:Alexandra: Preferred by a gynecologist.
752
:Like, could you imagine that is like
your tagline if you were a waxer?
753
:You're like, the preferred
specialist by a gynecologist.
754
:Travaris: need to put
that on your website.
755
:Alexandra: That's funny.
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:Okay, so I know that we've briefly touched
on some of this of like what we're, what
757
:we're hoping will change in the future.
758
:But do you guys have
any like ideas of how?
759
:Something, one thing, or many
things could change to get better.
760
:Can we continue on this
761
:trajectory?
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:Christine: I think the first thing
is how we were saying, Let's not talk
763
:about these topics like they're taboo.
764
:let's just normalize it.
765
:This is just our lived
experiences as women.
766
:And it's all different.
767
:but it connects us.
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:Because we our bodies
do function similarly.
769
:They just look different.
770
:Or they you know, things
happen slightly differently.
771
:And just keep talking about it.
772
:I think that's the
773
:Alexandra: hmm.
774
:Travaris: So, Alexandra, your question
is like, how, how do you think we think
775
:things can change about like women and
how they show up with their weight?
776
:Alexandra: Yeah.
777
:Health, medical, anything.
778
:What do we want to see
change going forward?
779
:Travaris: I think it's really
helpful to see people in media.
780
:That are not like the, Barbies and they're
actually happy because I think we do have
781
:a market for women who are like, they
don't, they're not the typical skinny
782
:girl, but I think a lot of it is really
rehearsed and that's also marketing.
783
:But I think when we, when I see
a woman that I'm like, no, I can
784
:tell she's very comfortable in
her body and she's not in any way.
785
:In alignment with beauty standards,
that makes me feel really good.
786
:Even if I don't look like the
woman, even if it's not a woman
787
:that I'm like, Oh, you look like me.
788
:So I'm it could just be someone that
I'm like, wow, she's very comfortable.
789
:I think just confidence at any shape
or size to me, just, it just kind of
790
:inspires me to feel that way about myself.
791
:So I think just
792
:Christine: Yeah.
793
:Alexandra: I agree.
794
:I'd also like to start looking at
people as a whole person, and how
795
:different parts of us interact, right?
796
:Because you think about, like, if I
go to a doctor, you go to this doctor
797
:for this thing, you go to that doctor
for your vagina, you go to this doctor
798
:just for your skin, and you go see this
person for your eyes, like, and certain
799
:people will only look at certain parts
of you, but how integral is what we eat
800
:to our health, and how integral is how
we think about food to our own health?
801
:So, I don't know, I think I'd
like to see more of treating
802
:people, the whole being, not just
803
:a specific part.
804
:Christine: Traveris, your point about
confidence, I think truly understanding
805
:that confidence isn't a destination, and
that it'll fluctuate, and that's okay,
806
:and we can take turns Being that example
for people around us and knowing that, you
807
:know, what some one day I can be that for
you and the next day you can be that for
808
:me and just truly, like Alexander said,
looking at the whole person and when it
809
:comes to people you follow on social media
or people you see on TV or in movies, It's
810
:okay if you start following someone and
you, over time, realize that you don't
811
:really vibe with them anymore, or they're
not, they're not servicing you in the way
812
:that you need, that you can unfollow, or
you can, like, move on and just continue
813
:to, you know, search for people who truly
make you feel seen and inspire you, and
814
:it's not necessarily, like, I think a
lot of people think, oh, if you unfollow,
815
:there's, something wrong with that person.
816
:No, it's just, It's not the
right space for me anymore.
817
:And that's
818
:okay.
819
:That's that's growth.
820
:Alexandra: Yes, that brings up a really
good point of like people who I used to
821
:follow in college like health fitness
pages It was all girls who were very
822
:skinny Looked very fit and i'm like who
I follow now Very different right like
823
:very different and even those people I
follow today that they'll say a lot of
824
:stuff I vibe with and i'm like, yeah, I
Would agree and then I'll say other things
825
:I'm like, but not that but it's not like
worth an unfollow yet But there's been
826
:some people that they've changed they've
grown and it's not the way that I've grown
827
:like Chrissy was saying He'd just go.
828
:Hey, I'm just gonna shush
this out of my space.
829
:Christine: Yeah
830
:Travaris: I also would like
to see a space for women.
831
:Or more messaging about women getting
older, like you were talking about
832
:what you might've like followed in
the past, yeah, that might've worked
833
:for 21 year old you, but you as an
older, like the differences between
834
:your early twenties and your late
latter twenties, or it's too different.
835
:Like, I was, I thought I was
in two different, decades
836
:and,
837
:You know, turn, turn, and turn in
30 was just like, but I keep getting
838
:this messaging that a woman's
good years are going to be over.
839
:Your beauty is going to fade.
840
:And I just keep hearing that.
841
:And I have so much pushback on that
because I'm like, if you're telling girls
842
:that their good years are behind them at
30, like think about how young they're.
843
:I mean,
844
:yeah, it's.
845
:it's.
846
:Alexandra: Yeah,
847
:Travaris: Yeah, And God bless you.
848
:You're going to feel so great.
849
:The globe is going to be wonderful.
850
:You're going to just.
851
:30's gonna be the best thing that's
ever happened to you, I tell you this.
852
:But, I just was like, why would you tell
somebody that your best years are gone?
853
:And, cause I feel like to be honest,
the 20's, that's like the worst decade
854
:anyone could live through.
855
:Like,
856
:Christine: yes
857
:Travaris: then you're supposed to
tell me that's when I was gonna
858
:be at my peak, but I felt like
the older I get, the better I get.
859
:I kinda have this analogy in my head
about 30 is when I start to turn.
860
:I, I started my wine era, 2020 was very
much juice but if you think about it,
861
:juice is like really easy to come by.
862
:it's not gonna be that much of a
difference between a $6 juice and a a one.
863
:Do like a a dollar a minute made carton
of like, that costs $2, but if you get
864
:a $30 bottle of wine, it's gonna taste
different from the barefoot $5 wine.
865
:So I was just like, why is this era
of me becoming more of who I am?
866
:more of a woman, more confident,
more, I feel more beautiful.
867
:Why is that what they're telling us is
like, Oh no, you got five good years,
868
:you know, wrap it up, pack it up.
869
:But then they don't only say that.
870
:They're like, Oh, men get better.
871
:Men get better with age.
872
:Like they, they're, they're going
to look good in like 10, 15 years.
873
:So I'm like, so there there's no
messaging like that for women.
874
:So I'm just gonna turn into
a Hobbit or like, Quasimodo.
875
:how, why, why is that
the messaging for us?
876
:I need to hear more positive,
you're gonna grow more into a woman.
877
:You're gonna be more of who you are.
878
:You're gonna understand yourself more.
879
:You're, because I think so many good
things happen with age, you know?
880
:So.
881
:Alexandra: Yeah, it's almost
like, hey, you've hit that yogurt
882
:expiration date, now you've curdled.
883
:To your point, Navaris, when you were
saying I want to see more women like
884
:that it made me think of this woman I do
follow on Instagram, and her name is Lynn
885
:Shabinsky, I hope I said that correctly,
and her handle is White hair wisdom and
886
:she's an older woman and does her makeup
her like get ready with me like dresses.
887
:I was like this I Love this because
this isn't what most people would say
888
:is a female beauty standard And like
you said does not glorify getting
889
:older, but her account really does
like hey getting older is beautiful
890
:Being older with long white
hair and I still, you know, you
891
:still do the things that you do.
892
:So I love her.
893
:If you haven't seen her, check her out.
894
:She's cool.
895
:And sort of on the topic of
social media, who are some people
896
:that you guys follow now, days?
897
:Where has the shift gone
and do you like them?
898
:Christine: Why don't you start, Traveris?
899
:Travaris: I feel like I'm kind of
phasing out of my Instagram era.
900
:I feel like it's getting so overrun with
the TikTok, the Gen Z's are, they're
901
:kind of pushing us out of the club.
902
:So I think the things that I used to like.
903
:Go after or look at they're kind of
getting washed out or like put to the
904
:bottom, but I liked I follow Ashley Graham
905
:She was I think I don't she was she
like the first plus I don't know She's
906
:just amazing because I think one time
like she's over She set her weight
907
:like she's like 220 or something and
she's just to me like she's a beautiful
908
:woman Like I don't even think I would
like want to see her in a smaller body.
909
:Like I just think But she's just
very inspiring because she, she
910
:just like broke down so many walls.
911
:Barb, Barbie Ferreira, I
think that's how you say it.
912
:She was on Euphoria.
913
:And she, even on her character
in Euphoria I think they
914
:tried to cast her as the Duff.
915
:And it just, like, she was to me one
of the most, like, I watched for her
916
:storyline because she, I had never
seen a woman that what, like, had,
917
:like, she was the bigger friend.
918
:But she was totally, like,
liberated in who she was.
919
:And it kind of looks like that in her,
well, it looks like that in her real life.
920
:Like, that wasn't a fake person.
921
:It was very much so who she is.
922
:And I like seeing stuff like that.
923
:So those are the people that I follow.
924
:I try to stay off of IG because
it can get to a point where you're
925
:starting to compare and contrast.
926
:So I try to just, you
know, find my funny things.
927
:Like, my little, you know,
something that'll make me laugh.
928
:And then I'm, I'm off.
929
:But those are good people to follow.
930
:Alexandra: Yeah, Christy, what about you?
931
:Christine: Yeah, so like Traveris,
Ashley Graham was the first person
932
:that I really, who I guess we could
say is a contemporary of ours.
933
:She's maybe, I don't
know, ten years older?
934
:Who I, Saw looked like me, who was
having this success, who was on the
935
:cover of Sports Illustrated, and was,
you know, just embracing herself and
936
:her body and showing the world that,
you know, this is beautiful too.
937
:So she was like the first person.
938
:That really caught my attention back
when I was in high school college, but
939
:since then, people on Instagram or
TikTok or YouTube, things like that,
940
:that I find community with and see
myself in and I'll just name a couple
941
:I, I found Emma Arletta this past year.
942
:She's, beautiful plus size influencer
who's started modeling and she, you
943
:can see her now on like fabletics or
She's doing these campaigns with these
944
:designer brands and things like that.
945
:And it just is so exciting to see that.
946
:Another one, if you want
to laugh, Remi Jo Bader.
947
:She New York based.
948
:She's big on TikTok.
949
:She's a bigger girl who does these,
like, realistic hauls of these brands
950
:that don't necessarily Run bigger size,
so she'll do like a realistic Zara haul.
951
:And she, her whole approach to it, it's
just to make fun and make light of it.
952
:But also just, you know, embracing
who she is and being honest
953
:and genuine with her audience.
954
:So yeah, those are a couple
that I really have gravitated
955
:towards within the last year.
956
:How about you Alexandra?
957
:Alexandra: So I think I tried to pick
a couple different when we were talking
958
:about preparing for this episode.
959
:So two people I really like are Denae
Mercer Ritchie and Sarah Nicole Landry.
960
:Denae she Really draws attention
to how social media can be
961
:changed and influenced, how easy
it is to edit pictures and pose.
962
:So I like how she exposes a lot and
she'll go, hey, this is my body.
963
:This second and now I look like
an Instagram model fitness person
964
:just by posing your body or
lighting so I kind of like that and
965
:Olivia Neville she is also good.
966
:She'll talk kind of about the mental
headspace of how our bodies change and
967
:I don't look like You know the Instagram
model, but in this moment I do and then
968
:I'm natural this way or how your body
fluctuates throughout the day Some fitness
969
:people I like now that I didn't, would
not have been drawn towards in the past
970
:are Sarah Katterson, Abby Pollack and
Maddie, because they really do talk about
971
:fitness and the different parts of it.
972
:And whether or not you agree
with everything, I do like that.
973
:It's much more open.
974
:I would say Sarah Katterson is
definitely a coach focused more
975
:on approach to weight loss.
976
:And I like Abby Pollack because I've seen.
977
:Through some of her YouTube
videos and Instagram content.
978
:How, over from college, some
of it's changed, which is
979
:kind of cool to see somebody's
journey and still align with it.
980
:But I know that there's other male coaches
out there who are good with women's
981
:fitness that I do follow, but I wanted to
focus mostly on female people I follow.
982
:So those are kind of the people I've
been gravitating towards recently.
983
:And then, of course, Lynn Schibinski,
The white hair wisdom account.
984
:She's really cool.
985
:Cause I would agree with Traveris.
986
:I'd like to see more of that.
987
:The I think there was a picture once
that was like, there's nothing as
988
:beautiful as getting older or something.
989
:And if I find it, I'll, I'll
have to share it with you guys.
990
:Cause I should almost make it my phone
wallpaper because it is talks about the
991
:beauty of getting older, which is awesome.
992
:Christine: Well, I think
that's a lovely note to end on.
993
:Is there any other points that
either of you want to share or
994
:Alexandra: I think we've
really run a marathon
995
:Christine: I mean, yeah, today's
episode, these two episodes, like.
996
:Boy, oh boy.
997
:And there's still more to talk about.
998
:So we'll probably revisit this
conversation again, but I wanted
999
:to just thank you all for joining
us for this two part conversation.
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