We dive into the season's most significant trade: the Colorado Avalanche moving Miko Rantanen to the Carolina Hurricanes in a three-way deal involving the Chicago Blackhawks. We break down the trade details, discuss its impact on all three teams involved, and speculate on the Hurricanes' future moves. Additionally, we talk about a recent key signing by the Washington Capitals and the Red Wings' potential trade involving Patrick Kane. Join us as we analyze these exciting developments and their potential outcomes.

00:17 Trade Details and Analysis

02:04 Carolina Hurricanes' Perspective

03:50 Contract and Future Speculations

14:13 Chicago Blackhawks' Standpoint

17:20 Washington Capitals Signing: Logan Thompson

18:26 Logan Thompson's Impressive Stats

20:44 Other Recent NHL Signings and Trades

27:07 Patrick Kane's Future with the Red Wings

Hello and welcome to Overtime Hockey Talk.

My name is Mark Paul.

My co host is Justin Baker.

Justin, the biggest trade of the year just went down.

Maybe the biggest trade of the last,

maybe?

very well could be very well.

It could be, Miko Rantanen sent.

To the Carolina hurricanes in a three way deal with the Chicago Blackhawks,

which I feel like the Blackhawks were just a little sliver of this trade.

In the end, Colorado gets Martin Nietzsche's Jack Drury, a 2025 second

round pick a 2026 fourth round pick from Carolina and, Nils Juntorp, who

was a part of the trade for Taylor Hall.

And make a rant and go to Carolina and really the Blackhawks just end

up with a third round pick in 2025.

That's all they got.

I thought that was strange because they held half of Miko Ranton's contract,

Bit of money to just get a third

8 million bucks.

So it's like 4 million that they're holding.

It wasn't too long ago that I remember the Maple Leafs trading

Patrick Marlowe to the hurricanes in exchange for a first round pick.

Just to have them buy him out.

And I think that was a 5 million deal.

So it seems like 4 million bucks for only a third round pick.

I think you probably could have leaned on them for a little more there,

don't forget that third rounder is also not only just for money, but it's for

Taylor Hall too, a former Hart Trophy guy.

Which,

got?

so $6 million.

That's off your books too.

It's almost like they didn't lose a whole lot there.

They've got $2 million extra to play with.

Maybe their plan is to do this again, kind of frees 'em up to do it again.

But you'd think that they could get more than the third round pick

for Taylor Hall and $4 million that they're just paying out

right.

and that third round pick, I think the chances of a third round pick

becoming a regular NHL, like 15%, that's a lot to pay for a 15% chance.

A little bit.

and we're talking low, that's going to be a low third round pick too.

There's going to be two good teams.

but, yes, your thoughts, let's just, from the Carolina standpoint,

because they are the team that gets the best player, how do you feel

about this trade for the hurricanes?

Yeah, if I'm the Hurricanes, fan base, I'm loving this deal, you rewind the

clocks a little bit, Martinitius, Natius, whatever, he's going by these days.

he clearly didn't want to be there.

the rumors, We don't know, how true they were, but I'm always of the mindset of

where there's smoke, there's fire, right?

So, you know, wanted out, requested a trade, I think it was last off season.

this feels like it's been coming for a little bit.

Cause he's, in the first year of a two year deal.

He signed in the off season, but it was kind of contentious.

Contentious is a good word for it.

And there's purpose behind a two year deal, right?

Because a guy like that, you could think, Oh, I'll just sign

a one year deal, try to request a trade again and see what happens.

But, clearly Carolina was of the mindset, Hey, we're not trading you.

You're still a valuable piece.

We believe in you, but he didn't want to be there.

Who knows why?

maybe he wanted more money.

Maybe he felt that he was worth a little bit more and they just

weren't willing to pay that.

we've known for a long time, Carolina has been, a team that

has been a little bit tighter when it comes to the purse strings.

this two year contract, walks him into free agency.

that was the whole point of signing that two year deal.

So he could become a UFA at 27, 28 years old, and go sign

wherever he wants for seven years.

Carolina knew they were going to lose him.

Let's go out and get the best player available.

how often do you see a hundred point guy?

Go anywhere.

the only way is if Mitch Marner gets dealt, that would be the only comp

that is a possibility to get dealt.

But I think that one's very unlikely.

Toronto would rather just hold on to him.

And see how it goes.

Colorado didn't want to go through that.

They didn't want to lose him for nothing.

I have to applaud it.

they got something out of him, but we'll see how this whole thing plays out

because this is going to be one of those trades where you've got to wait 2 or

3 years to really see how it pans out.

does Miko Rantanen even re sign in Carolina?

I would doubt it

I'm 50 50 right now as we speak

Colorado did offer 11.

75 million over eight years to random.

And if you think that the Carolina hurricanes, the team that they wouldn't

pay Gensel after him coming in and fitting really well, they don't go and

sign Gensel to a cheaper deal than that.

I would put Rantan in the next tier up from Gensel.

but it's not like he's 50 percent better than Gensel.

we're talking 10%, 12 percent better.

he maybe carries a line a little more than Gensel does, but if they weren't

willing to pay Gensel, are they going to be willing to pay Rantan?

are you willing to build your whole team around him?

Because you're going to have to pay him 13 million.

Yeah, the rumor is he wanted, money, which he wasn't go a center.

he's not th guy caliber.

I don't think of that elite status.

Sam I would put him a tier ab

Well, we're going to find out now that he's gone from, McKinnon's wing.

We're gonna see how much you know, for me, from what I've heard, just reading

the Twitter verse, whatever you want to call it, the rumor is that he's

looking for kind of that same percentage of cap it that David Poster not got.

So he's not looking to break the bank.

And if you look at it next year, the calculations that they're

thinking, the cap's going to go to, it's going to be about 13.

1 million dollars is what he's looking for.

That's what he's going to get,

Yeah.

And that's not extreme and it's not out of the realm of possibilities

for a guy who can put up, 40, 50 goals and a hundred points.

that's not crazy.

he wasn't getting more than McKinnon.

no, not in Colorado.

they weren't willing to do that.

he did come out and say, there was a talk with a Finnish newspaper where he said,

he wasn't looking for dry sidle money, but he wasn't going to break the bank

on Colorado, still, I think he wanted that 13 million bucks and, he wanted to

become the highest paid winger, which.

Is appropriate.

time and place, right?

Your contracts up.

you're the best winger to become a UFA since Panarin.

for Carolina.

they got to like go deep.

They got to go to the finals at least here.

Or, or I mean, this is kind of has felt the last few years.

It's been, well, let's go out, let's make a big splash.

Let's bring in somebody.

Let's bring in again.

So let's see what happens in the platform.

It seems like every year.

It's the same story went around and don't score enough

goals and that's why you lose.

So they've been trying to go out and get goal scores and it still hasn't worked.

And it's like, you got to pay somebody, it might as well be ranting.

And I, you know, I'm sure if you're in Carolina, you're hoping

that he likes it there enough.

It's a little warmer than Colorado, I guess, in the winter.

it's probably pretty similar climate, other than it being.

Lower and elevation,

Now you gotta deal with hurricanes so there goes, yeah,

that was a fluky one.

It's not that often that there's a actual hurricane and Carol, even

though they are the hurricanes,

they got themselves the best player available when you looked at possible

people hitting the trade market.

I love this edition.

I think it's gonna work out better than Genzel, but I do think you're right.

they do struggle to score goals even though they are fifth in

the NHL and goals four per game.

But to me, I, I don't think this team is done.

they still have their first round draft pick.

I think they're gonna go out and target a center because really,

Jordan, Stahl, Koch, and Emmy.

These are not guys that I want to go in the playoffs with

and try to win the cup with.

They're guys better suited for the third and fourth line.

I love Jordan Stahl's leadership, but no offense to him.

He's not going to fill in on the second line.

Koke and Niemi to me is just not going to do it for them.

when you have to pair them up against other teams, you're probably going

to end up facing like Toronto,

If you've got to go face John Tavares and Austin Matthews, I'm not throwing

Sebastian Aho and, Koke and Niemi against that you're going to lose every time,

yeah.

the issue to me is you go and give up Nietzsche's for Rantan.

yes, this is a good move because Nietzsche's didn't want to be there.

now you can get a guy who maybe you can convince to say there,

if that's in the plans, and.

You, you also go grab Taylor hall.

this is not a team that's looking ahead very far.

Like we're looking at like, let's win the Stanley cup now let's go and make it

happen when that, when everything's on the line with these deals, it isn't very

often that they work out in your favor.

Cause only one team wins the Stanley cup.

Like we only look back at one team and go, that trade was worth

it, giving up a lot of futures.

And like Nietzsche's to me, isn't now Rantan and certainly is in a different

area of elite when it comes to like between Nietzsche's and random, but it's

not like Nietzsche's as a bad player.

I mean, he's basically a point per game guy for Carolina and you're replacing

them with someone who is, you know, Slightly more than a point per game guy.

You lost a lot in this deal.

I don't know that the hurricanes are so much better at the end of the day.

The only thing I could say is, Hey, Brandon's want to stay on the cup.

And that is, that's nothing to bat your eyes at.

Brandon's won a cup.

They also lost Drury who I know he's not, you know, he's not putting up

huge points, but that is a depth piece.

So now you're going to be looking for another depth piece

to come in and replace that.

Sort of, I guess that's Taylor Hall, which over under how

many games is Taylor Hall play?

By the end of the year, like what are the chances of him getting hurt

and missing the rest of the year?

I'd give it a solid 25 games.

I don't know that I love the trade.

if I'm playing NHL and I'm only playing this for one season, I don't care.

I just want the best players.

Well then heck yeah.

But if Carolina doesn't win the cup, it's a pretty easy check Mark

in Colorado's camp because they get knee just for another year.

They also got draft picks.

if they win the cup, then okay, I'll come back here and eat my words because

it obviously was a great trade, but if they don't win the cup, then all of this

was kind of for not, or they go and they re sign Rand, which I will be shocked.

I'll be floored if the Carolina hurricanes actually pay him money.

I'm not resigning him, right now I'd give it 50 50.

It's just a coin flip at this point.

there is that connection with Sebastian.

I think that's what they're banking on, you want to play with one

of the best Finns in the world.

hopefully, those two can have some chemistry.

That's why they, brought him in.

History has shown that Carolina doesn't like to pay for guys

like this, especially wingers.

And, and to me, again, I think they're still gonna, there's another

move to be made, whether or not they bring in a guy like maybe Kirby

Doc to play second line center.

They have to do something because I'm not betting my future on

Cook and Niemi to win them a cup.

So, you know, and let's not forget too, right?

I mean, yes, you know, their, their, their record speaks for themselves.

They're playing very good hockey and you can never count Rod Bredemore's

teams out, but I don't trust, Freddie Anderson to stay healthy.

And, Peter Kochankoff, I don't know what you're going to get

out of him in the playoffs.

this defense is substantially weaker than it was last year in the playoffs.

And look how that panned out.

they've got Orlov, Slavin, Burns, Walker, and Gossespierre.

They have a good five

It's good enough to win.

Absolutely.

It's good.

I don't think that's their weakness by any means.

with Rantanen,

I hope that it's worth it.

I hope they re sign him because I look at that fit.

eventually you're going to have to sign somebody they're a numbers team.

So they look at the, they've looked at other players who've

come around and they go, this guy's not worth paying top dollar for.

Maybe they look at him and say, Miko Rantanen is one of

the best wingers in the NHL.

We are willing to pony up for him because.

He is worth that money.

He's actually worth more than that money.

And I think that's what they try to do a smart team looks at a player and

they go, well, you are overvalued.

We don't want you.

Right?

you don't want to have a team full of overvalued overpaid players.

You have to have a team of undervalued and underpaid players.

That's

That's theoretically how you win with lots of depth is you

have a team that's underpaid.

how Chicago did it.

That is how Chicago did it.

It's true.

The incredible drafts from Stan Bowman.

there's nothing in their past that indicates that they even have the ability

to go out and sign a guy like Brandon,

And how funny would of this hoopla, right?

Th send niches who's on for Rand and still ends up re in the offseason just goe I

I don't think that's going to happen.

don't think so

I would put that at the, 1%, but here's what I think happens in Carolina,

especially a guy who, so Gensel, he comes from Pittsburgh, Branton, and

he's coming from Colorado to much like very established franchises, they're.

They're bigger in their community.

Like the Carolina hurricanes are about their, their last plate.

Like they're behind NASCAR.

They're behind any college football, pro football.

They, they are at the back of the line when it comes to local sports.

it's not a knock on them.

it's more of a culture thing, but it just is the location that they're at.

I think some of these guys go there and they go, Oh, this is great.

I don't get recognized.

I think other guys go there and they go, like this feels like.

I'm a second class citizen in the sports world.

And they end up going somewhere else, like Tampa Bay, you go to Tampa Bay,

you're in the light with the lightning.

Yes, there's the bucks, but hockey's very popular there.

when you go to that rink, You don't feel like a second class

that team's got a lot of money.

Poured into it.

So I wonder if that's what happens in Carolina too, is that like, yeah, they

won't pony up for money, but also it's not the same vibe as you could get.

if you go and sign in Tampa or Colorado, or you were to go and sign any number

of teams where there's just a little bit more of an established fan base

and which, which could also be the reason why they don't want to overpay

for players as money is a little tight.

I don't think you own the Carolina hurricanes to go and make tons of money.

I think you have tons of money and you're like, I want to own a franchise.

let's talk about this deal from Chicago's standpoint, losing Taylor

hall, which is really all that happened I think Connor Bedard was a little

upset that he loses daddy hall.

How do you, when you look at hall and what he brought to Chicago, are you?

Okay.

With this move, or would you have preferred, like, if you're a Chicago

fan to just go, if this is all we were going to get for Taylor

hall, why don't we just keep them?

I'm kind of in I think, you know, I'm al too, where like you're go through

a rebuild and no How much you, you place value in, younger players, draft

picks, prospects over, veteran talent.

You still need some of that veteran talent right?

You still need guys who have been there, guys who have that experience

and IQ to teach those younger guys.

Right.

And I know Nick Foligno signed for another year and they brought in Tyler Bertuzzi.

if you're mentoring a guy like Conor Bedard, I think Taylor Hall

is a great piece to have there.

I know he was vocal in saying that he wanted to stay there.

He wanted to see the rebuild through.

And I think honestly, if you're Chicago, that's the type of guys.

You want there, right?

I mean, you want guys that want to be there, especially when it

is going to be difficult for a couple more seasons, in Chicago.

And maybe this is the case where he goes back.

maybe it is,

go back.

Right.

Maybe they went to him and said, you know what?

Hey, we're still interested in resigning you, but I think we need

to get something out of you so we can continue this rebuild and expedite it.

Right.

Attempt to win

yeah, and maybe that was it.

Maybe it was a favor to him.

for saying that.

But, you know, for me, I thought they would've got more out of a guy like

Taylor Hall because you look at what he's done in the past, he's still a

great hockey mind and I think, staying healthy, he can still be a middle six guy

earn pick just for Hall.

Right,

I'd be willing to dish a third round pick for Taylor Hall.

And so then you're telling me that you also have to hold 4

million from someone else should have been two third round pick.

It just, it didn't make much sense to me.

The only thing I can think of is someone owed somebody a favor and maybe it'll

come back to them in a different way.

maybe this is future considerations without future considerations.

Yeah, that does

don't see those too often anymore, the future considerations trades.

very

It used to happen a lot more, it would always be like, Oh, we're

trading them for a third and a fifth round pick and future considerations.

And you're like, one of those, who's blowing who?

somebody was, traded for future considerations and then given

back and they said that that was the future consideration.

I think it happened in the 70s or the 80s.

Kaz can say, I don't think that's been recent.

No, no, it was the 70s or 80s.

I can't remember the name, but it was, yeah, it was like Hey, we'll trade you

with this guy for future considerations.

And they went, tell you what, the future considerations are us giving

us the, you get this guy back.

He must've been beloved.

all right, biggest trade of the year, biggest trade in a while.

And, Miko Rantanen goes to the hurricanes.

we'll see what happens.

I mean, Miko Rantanen, has played a game.

he didn't have a point in his first game, but Martin niches in two games

has to assist so far with the abs.

So, things working out for him and we'll, we'll see, you

know, we'll revisit this trade.

I'm sure once we get a little closer to trade deadline and we kind of get some,

get some games under their belt, we'll, we'll take a look back at this trade too.

there was a signing about an hour ago.

We're recording this on Monday at about 5 30 PM.

And the Washington capitals have gone all in on Logan Thompson.

He gets a six year, 5.

85 million cap hit extension.

Logan Thompson will be the goaltender for the Washington

Capitals for the foreseeable future.

What do you think of that deal?

5.

85 for Logan Thompson?

I love it.

I love it for both sides, right?

So, from a Washington capitals perspective, right?

You're getting a guy who is, who's proven already this year that

he can be a top NHL goaltender.

and you don't have to pay a lot of money for him, if you want to go get

top tier talent, like Conor Hollibaugh, you know, UC Sorrows, it's going

to cost you eight, 9 million bucks, but you get a guy who has proven, he

apparently can't lose in regulations.

Right now, sitting with a nice record of 22, two and three.

outside of, anybody named Conor Hottlebuck, he's got

the best stats in the league.

And I think he leads the league in goal saved above expected.

all the right numbers coming in for a guy like this.

Aside from Hellebuck, yes.

Hellebuck at 26.

7 goals saved above percentage.

Logan Thompson is at 18, but Logan Thompson has played 12 fewer games.

okay.

So if you extrapolate those games out, he's about in the same.

Spot, maybe even a little better than Hellebuck.

Yeah.

And thompson, right?

You get because, let's face i was kind of, you know maybe, you know, before A

was going to be the guy f I had a lot of hope in hi And then Aiden Hill comes in

kind of, you know, he goes through that.

He had a little bit of an injury bug was kind of the starter

for half a season, got hurt.

Aiden Hill comes in, they win the cup, right.

And then he gets the extension.

And then Logan Thompson basically had to settle for a one year deal in

Vegas or two year deal, I'm sorry.

and then goes to, Washington for the same league minimum money, signs

a one year deal, which, was crazy to me because when I looked at his

numbers, they look pretty good.

especially for a guy who has proven he can play 30 plus games, I figured, he'd

probably get a couple million bucks, but no, Maybe he wanted a little more term

than teams were willing to give him.

And Washington took a chance.

He gambled on himself and it paid off.

So kudos to him.

And you know, they continue to roll with him.

So I think you probably have them.

Is he in your Vesna trophy top three right now?

he'd be close.

He'd be close just because he spent most of the season just going, you know,

alternating games with Charlie lingering.

So, It makes it a little bit more difficult.

I don't want to get into a Ben Bishop situation where, you know, you have

a guy who won, won the Vesna only playing like 30 games in a full season.

not quite there yet, but, for me, he's pretty damn close because

when you look at, the caliber of guys he's, you know, he's being

compared to again, Conor Holabuck.

I mean, you could even throw him in there with, you know, Vesna.

Vasilevsky and Darcy Kemper he's up there, right?

And so, I think you could easily put him top five.

I don't think there's any question about that.

top three, I'm not ready yet.

I want to see him play a few more games and see how the rest of the season goes.

he's making strides to be in that conversation for sure.

it never hurts when your team Is the top team in the NHL points percentage wise.

They are right now.

Top team in the NHL.

They're tied with Winnipeg, but Winnipeg has, to play two more

games they've been playing great.

who would have thought they're definitely the surprise team of this year.

Well, I guess the only other big signing was Borgen.

I know there's another signing and I had it up and then I

think I moved away from it.

Will Borgen.

Signs a five year deal.

there was also another trade.

Scott Perunovich went to the New York Islanders from St.

Louis for a fifth round pick.

I always thought Perunovich would be a little bit better of a defenseman

than he has turned out to be.

he's got.

17 is, you had 17 assists last year.

He's got six points this year.

Just, things haven't fully panned out for him.

I wonder if going to the Islanders where they play a much less sexy game, like

they play the most boring defensive style hockey, bodes well for him and

if he can play a little bit better,

Yeah.

And it's odd timing because they just signed Tony DeAngelo to a one

year deal coming over from Russia, Tony DeAngelo is not a guy, I would

think, for the Islanders would be, you know, a, a defensive defenseman

kind of, you know, player I think that they're normally used to having.

But, I think this speaks volumes to.

the injury bug that's plaguing Noah Dobson and Mike Reilly right now,

two guys on their team that were bringing the offensive numbers.

So, I think both these guys coming over signal that maybe these guys are

going to be out longer than we thought

I think we all thought Tony DeAngelo would never play a game in the NHL ever again.

And here he is, man.

The guy is like a cockroach.

he won't go away.

He just keeps on, like he's in the KHL just goes, guys, I got to take off.

I'm somebody who needs me now.

See you later.

with the Will Borgen extension, I got to digging a little bit he was traded

on December 18th for Capo Caco and the deal has worked out really well for both

teams, if the Rangers, you know, Rangers are willing to give them an extension

and despite other things, not going.

The greatest for the Rangers right now.

you get a defenseman who's reliable cost controlled.

Now, he's going to play in your, that second pairing, most likely

for the next couple of years.

a good deal for the Rangers, but I was like, you know, I'm, I've watched

a couple of Seattle cracking games.

It looks like Capo Caco is finally getting that opportunity to be

the player that he wanted to be.

And, so far so good with the Seattle crack.

And I think he's, he's almost a point per game player through, the

games that he's played in Seattle.

Now, Seattle's no good.

they're like, I think seven, seven and one since he went there, which is better

than what they were before he got there.

it's not as if he's making this crazy difference in terms of the wins losses,

but he is putting up points and he's got that nice fit there with Maddie Binears

and Jaden Schwartz playing next to them.

And I think it was needed for Kako.

It was needed for Binears like Binears needed somebody who.

Could move the puck from that wing position even though we all thought

that Capo Caco would be more of a goal scorer, it's kind of turned out

to be a little more of a playmaker.

He still has a decent shot.

but he's getting those apples.

that trade has worked out really well for the Seattle Kraken.

you trade a guy like Borgen who is fine, but I don't think Borgen was

the difference between the Kraken being good or bad, I do think

that Capo Caco changed that first line for them and that's important.

They still have a lot of work to do, but He is a much better fit in Seattle.

Things are a little quieter out there and you're not gonna have that same

kind of pressure where it was like, we drafted you second overall, bro.

Why are you only putting up, 35 points?

Whereas Seattle, he gets that fresh start, there's much less pressure

on him and the organization can just treat him like anyone else and

give him the opportunity to play.

Yeah.

And I think outside of, Jared McCann and his goal scoring, which,

hopefully he continues to, find ways to score goals in the coming years.

But, when you look at the future of the Seattle Kraken team, I don't

really see any wingers coming down the pipeline where you get excited and say,

this guy could be a top line winger.

He could be a potential point per game guy.

they got a bunch of middle six guys, Tolvin Jaden Schwartz, Bjorkstrad,

all these guys that, again, I don't think, they go to any other

team and really move the needle.

But Kapokatko has that ability to come in and push the needle and still can develop

into a guy who could potentially, again, we could be talking about an all star,

you know, in the future for a while.

for the cracking.

Yeah, absolutely.

And, you know, it's, I feel like the crack and have kind of, they, they've

slid through the cracks a little bit this year they went out, they

signed someone like Brandon Montour.

Montour has really had a, I wonder if he regrets not finding

himself in Florida anymore.

two years ago when he had 73 points, I think that was probably a little lucky.

he had the best season of his life, but it was such a deviation from what,

like he had 35, 37, 33, 14, like.

It's not as if he was a huge points guy.

He was, he was a 30 point guy, maybe a little more, get 73.

And he just has not been able to get back there.

he'll probably end up with about 35 points again this year, but he's on the team

that is definitely not quite as strong defensively and doesn't have the same

players to pass the puck to upfront.

I think it's hurt him.

I'm sure that the money that he's making isn't hurting him at all,

but, I wonder if he goes, maybe I should have stuck around in

Florida for a little bit less money.

It would have been more fun.

no state tax down there, right?

Definitely tax in Washington.

definitely tax in Washington.

Definitely tags there,

Yeah.

You wonder, I mean, hindsight, right?

50 50.

We could say that every single season, there's always one guy's

like, maybe I should have stayed there for a little less money.

But, we'll probably get into this as we get closer to deadline time.

I'm sure Florida is going to be looking for another defenseman because, you

know, You lose basically your entire second pairing and, I'm sure they wish

that Brandon Montour would come back and play on that second pair with them.

All right.

I wanted to get your thoughts on what's going on with the Red Wings

because they've been very interesting.

We did talk about them on the last show We talked about some of our,

10 burning questions, the turnaround they've had, since the coaching change.

they're six, three, and one in their last 10.

They've won their last two.

I got a text from someone asking about Patrick Kane.

Patrick Kane has really turned his game around since the coaching change.

I wanted to ask you if you think there's any chance that Patrick Kane gets dealt.

I'm going to go 60 40 and say yes.

only reason I say that is because, right now I think the Red Wings

biggest area of need is their five on five play and goal scoring.

Patrick Kane is not doing that.

his production,

Isn't there when it comes to five on five play, you've seen the

minutes, dip a little bit and, he's been more of a power play guy,

I mean, to be fair, he's done a lot of damage in the power play.

Yes, absolutely.

and teams would kill for that.

that's what I mean.

come playoff time, special teams become just a little bit more difficult,

And they can always be the difference between, winning a game and losing a

game, You just get that one extra goal in the power play going 25 versus 20%.

that's a big difference in teams will pay for, for that

leadership that experience he has.

and you know what, I, I mean, don't get me wrong.

I love seeing the Red Wings, They're thriving.

They're playing a lot better hockey.

They're playing a little bit grittier.

a little bit more responsible.

And again, that power play is phenomenal right now.

one of the hottest in the league, the problem is every other team

in front of them, the New York Rangers are 6 1 3 in their last 10.

Everybody, Ottawa, Columbus, everybody else is at that seven and three, six,

three and one situation where it's going to be very difficult for the

wings to jump, four or five different teams to get into the wild card.

as we get closer and closer to the deadline.

it might be a situation again.

I know he has a full, no move clause, but it might be one of those things where they

go to him and say, Hey, do you want to hang around or do you want to get traded?

do you want to go have a shot at another cup?

True.

it is first and foremost, his decision, right?

Like there's no getting around that.

Yeah.

And I think he likes being in Detroit.

He loves playing, with the brink ad but, ultimately I think at the

end of the day, Detroit's got to do what's best for the franchise.

I think they're probably going to go have that conversation with them.

So if he says, yes, I do think, you know, if Detroit's still

sitting outside of a playoff.

They'll let him leave.

They'll maybe let some of these younger guys from the minors come up

and put in a few more minutes like they've been doing with Marco Casper.

they've kind of elevated him to a top line role now and it's working very well.

so I think they'll probably explore more of that bringing up a guy like Nate

Danielson, giving him some middle six minutes and see how he thrives in the NHL.

Yeah.

The other thing to consider is, Patrick Kane is going to get another

250 K at 60 games, which he's at 42 right now, he's going to get 500 K

if they make the playoffs, which is.

At this point I would put it at like 30%.

The wings make the playoffs.

there's still is certainly a chance, like there are only

four points out of the playoffs.

They could do it.

they would have to keep Kane.

I, you know, unless they go and they trade Kane and they get someone.

Back even better, which I don't, I don't know where that's going to come from.

he also gets another 250, 000.

If he gets 60 points and they make the playoffs, the 60 points is

probably, I mean, he's at 30 right now.

It's probably right on the cusp.

if he keeps playing the way he's playing right now, it's, it's certainly possible.

but you know, the downside of that, that does mean that that's an extra

million dollars on the cap next year.

Maybe you want to deal in before those things happen, if they happen,

That would be an extra million bucks.

I guess they have the cap space this year, so they would just throw it on there

And I don't think they're really worried about that.

but yeah.

and I'm not really sure, right?

if you trade him and he hits those marks, does the team that traded

for him get stuck with that bill?

Or does that go back to the Red Wings?

think the team that would acquire them would get stuck with it.

it would depend if the wings took like half the contract, maybe that

would be something in the negotiation.

That's a great question.

I'll have to do some digging on that.

the other side of it is, there's a lot of young players coming up This Red Wings

team, it's been a long rebuild and the end result, the players that you have

there's no Connor McDavid, there's no Austin Matthews, there's no Jack Eichel,

like, there's none of those players.

Now, Lucas Raymond, looks really good, but is Lucas Raymond going

to turn out to be Miko Rantanen?

Maybe.

I don't like a Gensel, maybe like somewhere, you know, that next tier

that we've been talking about, he was a great pick where they picked him at.

They just haven't gotten that generation.

I know only a few teams get a generational talent, but you'll look at the teams

that have won the Stanley cup and they all tend to have those types

of players that's my disappointment.

Right now with the Red Wings is like you've been bad for ever and yet you

have not been able to, you don't have nearly as much to show for it as some

other teams that were really bad.

Granted, the Buffalo Sabres were really freaking bad for a long time.

And what do they have to show for it?

The Ottawa Senators have been bad for a long time and they are just

now Sort of in a playoff spot.

maybe they'll make the playoffs, although things are looking good for them.

I just want the red wings to do something.

I'm looking at what Carolina did to bring in ranting?

And I'm going, when is Detroit going to start to go, we need to go out and

actually go after a big fish to show that we're back maybe it is slightly

to the detriment of the future, but let's get somebody in here who is, A new

best player or pretty darn close to it.

Like I'm, I'll be honest.

I'm a little sick of Dylan Larkin being the best player on this team.

I don't think that was ever the intention.

He shouldn't be the best player on a team.

It's no knock on Larkin, but I just don't think he should be the best

player on a team that's going to win.

I agree with you.

I know there's been talks about, scouts with the Sabres and Dylan

Cousins and all that malarkey.

But I don't think he is, better than Dylan Lark, And he's not going to be at

any point in his career, in my opinion.

I'm with you.

I think the Red Wings could use a splash.

If they want to say to the fans, Hey, We think we're in this.

with the new coach, Todd McClellan and the team we have right now,

Marco Casper is looking good.

Lucas Raymond looks phenomenal.

Let's go out and get a guy that I think can really.

Move the needle.

They don't have to necessarily find that generational talent.

But maybe they get a guy like, for example, Vegas went out and got Jack

Eichel, That was the piece they needed to push them over the top to win the cup.

Now, do I think going out and getting one piece is going to be enough?

No, they need other people from within the organization to help, get there.

But for me, go see what Vancouver is doing with Elias and say, We've

got Nate Danielson, JT Confer, a couple first rounders here.

Like what do you want?

let's make a deal.

Right?

Bring in a guy like

Pedersen in Detroit, like Swede town here,

Yes.

even though there's not, I mean, Moritz, no Moritz.

I must say, Lucas Raymond is Swedish, right?

But there's so many Swedish connections to this team.

get Zetterberg to call him, get Lidstrom to call him, get like

anybody you need to call this guy and say, you want to play in Detroit.

It is a great place.

from what I understand from what a lot of Swedes say the nice

parts of Metro Detroit, can be similar to the lifestyle in Sweden.

Yeah.

And like the same climate, you know,

Go live there, man.

They're phenomenal places.

super nice spots, can even come to the Jewish Cultural Center

and play some roller hockey.

We should get back there sometime.

I was thinking about that the other day,

I looked at my goalie pads in the garage yesterday and was

feeling a little down about that.

I haven't worn them in a bit.

played some pond hockey at a house about five minutes from my house.

it was just like four guys.

It was a lot of fun

Put the net down.

Let's go,

I was like, Oh man, I know somebody who plays goalie.

I know a guy he might be a standup goalie now.

I'm not sure,

Now knees are working just fine.

Well, that's our show.

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we did forget to mention the four nations, which we'll talk more in depth about,

next week since it'll be much closer to it, but Trent, Patrangelo's out

Should

four nations, Markstrom's out of the four nations.

I'm wondering if Matthews is going to play in the four nations.

I think they'll probably try to force them.

You're playing.

And you heard too, that they're not going to penalize the NHL.

Isn't going to penalize people for not going like they do with the all star game.

if somebody is hurt it's one thing if you're legitimately hurt, like

Patrangelo, I think he legitimately hurt.

He said he was hurt and he wanted to deal with an ailment, but went and played

that following night, So how hurt is he?

I don't know.

We'll see, but

I remember when dad soup missed the all star game and he was like,

I just don't want to play in it.

I'm hurt.

And I have that Jersey too.

It hurts to hurt.

I bought the Jersey thinking he was going to play and was excited for that.

It was the 100th anniversary for the Canadians.

So it was pretty nice

That's right.

they suspended him for a game.

He and Nick Lindstrom.

I don't care.

what was that?

0 9?

10?

Yeah.

that.

they were so good then too.

They're like, we don't care.

We'll be fine.

yes, we'll talk more about four nations and what some of those, injuries means to

those teams and who might replace them.

I think they have till February 11th to replace those guys.

We'll talk more about that.

until then, we will talk to you soon and enjoy the hockey.