In this powerful episode, Loral talks with Dr. Phil Ovadia about heart disease prevention and the myths that keep so many people stuck in poor health. From his years as a heart surgeon to his own 100-pound weight loss, Dr. Phil explains why traditional advice about cholesterol, low-fat diets, and statins often misses the bigger picture.

They unpack the real drivers behind heart disease prevention, including metabolic health, insulin resistance, and why so many patients end up on the operating table when better nutrition and lifestyle support could have changed the outcome.

If you want a more empowering, life-changing conversation about heart disease prevention, food, health advocacy, and taking ownership of your future, this episode is a must-listen.

Key Takeaways:

1. Dr. Phil Ovadia's Journey to Heart Surgery (00:00)
2. Personal Health Transformation and Insulin Resistance (03:14)
3. Myth Busting: Cholesterol and Diet-Heart Hypothesis (05:04)
4. Advocacy for Personal Health and New Food Pyramid (10:55)
5. Insulin Resistance and Its Impact on Health (15:19)
6. Introduction to Dr. Ovadia's New Book (21:47)
7. Pre-Order Bonuses and Telemedicine Services (26:26)

Meet Dr Philip Ovadia

Dr. Philip Ovadia is a board-certified Cardiac Surgeon and founder of Ovadia Heart Health. His mission is to optimize the public’s metabolic health and help people stay off his operating table. As a heart surgeon who used to be morbidly obese, Dr. Ovadia has seen firsthand the failures of mainstream diets and medicine. He realized that what helped him lose over 100 pounds was the same solution that could have prevented most of the thousands of open heart surgeries he has performed—metabolic health.

In Stay off My Operating Table: A Heart Surgeon’s Metabolic Health Guide to Lose Weight, Prevent Disease, and Feel Your Best Every Day, Dr. Ovadia shares the complete metabolic health system to prevent disease.

Dr. Ovadia grew up in New York and graduated from the accelerated Pre-Med/Med program at the Pennsylvania State University and Jefferson Medical College. This was followed by a residency in General Surgery at the University of Medicine and Dentistry at New Jersey and a Fellowship in Cardiothoracic Surgery at Tufts – New England Medical School.

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Hey, this is Loral. Welcome back to Loral's Real Money Talks a podcast about money, how we make it, how we spend it, how we keep it, invest it, and how we use a team. So at integrated wealth, we do all of those things. If you ever have questions about money in any category you want to go to ask

laurel.com A, S, K, L, O, R, A, L, ask a question, make a request, and we will be back at you, like within 24 hours. We answer all those questions. And the podcast is primarily about interviewing folks who either make, keep or invest money in a very interesting way. And today, I have Dr Phil Ovadia with me.

He is a friend, a client, and just phenomenal, like world leading surgeon. I don't know how many 1000s of hearts this man has helped, and when we met, he had also launched a book called stay off my operating table. So Dr Phil, it's great to have you with us today, and I know you come with amazing

creds. So instead of reading your whole bio, I want to just have you tell us a little bit about even the early years. I don't even know that I've heard that story of your early years of through medical school. And why choose heart surgery as a path, just for those listening, is always ways to make money.

Dr Phillip Ovadia: Sure thing, Laurel, great to be back with you. I will say that heart surgery is probably not the easy way to make money, but it is very rewarding. I always knew I wanted to be a doctor. My parents swear that from about five years of age, if people asked me what I was planned to

do with my life, I actually didn't say I wanted to be a doctor. I said I wanted to be a surgeon. And no idea why. To be honest, I have no doctors in my family. I don't have, you know, not like my parents were surgeons or anything like that, but somehow I just knew this is what I was going to do. And went

through high school, and, you know,

just continued to be interested in medicine and surgery. Then went to undergrad and medical school, did research in a surgical laboratory during medical school, and was just anything I could do to be around the surgeons. That's what I was doing. Went and did a what's first called the general surgery

residency, and then a fellowship training in cardiac surgery. And I picked heart surgery because I just found it both technically fascinating, you know, the the kind of details of doing heart surgery, as well as the physiology involved with it. You know, it was the heart. It is literally our life force. And

it's just was very interesting surgery for me. And then I started my career as a heart surgeon, and I was, what you would say was a very run of the mill heart surgeon. I was employed by a hospital did that for 20 years now, the other story that was going on during that time was I was a

progressively unhealthy heart surgeon. I had become morbidly obese, I was pre diabetic, and I kind of came to this realization that I was headed for my own operating table, so to speak. I was going down that same path that so many of my patients had gone down, and I didn't know what to do about it, the advice

that I was trained to give my patients, the advice that we have all heard, eat less, you know, move more, eat a low fat diet. It wasn't working for me and it wasn't working for my patients, and that got me asking some different questions, and I started to come across some different information, and

ultimately learned about what we call metabolic health. The technical term for it is insulin resistance, and this led me to change the way that I ate, but not again with the traditional low fat, low calorie I went on a low carbohydrate diet that evolved to a carnivore diet, eating almost exclusively red

meat, that same red meat that I had learned my whole life was bad for the heart and my health improved dramatically. I lost 100 pounds. My pre diabetes reversed. Now I didn't know that much, yeah. And that got me thinking about, you know, what I was doing as a heart surgeon. And it got me realizing that the

vast majority of patients that ended up on my operating table, the 3000 plus patients that I've operated on. The majority of them didn't need to be there. And if we focused on the right things, we can keep people off the operating table. And that has largely been the mission that I've been on now for the

past seven years, that you know I've focused on. And what can I do to keep people off of the operating table?

So, Dr Phil, I want you to go a little deeper into like, because I want to do some myth busting. Like I do. I say this is what we're taught with money, which is why it's so difficult to change, because you got this anchor of decades, if not centuries, of really wrong information. And then, you know,

same like health and wealth, you know, I always put it together, because what we're taught that old school stuff doesn't work, whether it's money or fine, you know, or wealth or, you know, health and what is different. So first, let's start with the myth, like, what, what, what we were all told. And then talk a

little bit about that lovely thing called the food pyramid, because I saw one just come out recently, that's the new food pyramid. So I want to move like what we've been taught, why it's difficult. So those of you listening if weight or just health in general is a huge issue, wait till you hear some

of this myth busting, you're going to

Dr Phillip Ovadia: love it. Yeah. And so the big one when it comes to heart disease is that cholesterol is the primary cause of heart disease, and it what we have been told the big myth is what's called the Diet Heart hypothesis. And that is that if you eat a lot of fat, especially saturated fat that is in things

like red meat, that's going to raise the level of cholesterol in your blood, and that raised cholesterol level in your blood is then going to cause heart disease. And this has been the prevailing dogma now going back to the 1940s 1950s so we're approaching 100 years of this, and the approach if you believe

that that's what causes heart disease. First is eat less fat, right? Eat avoid eating saturated fat. So that led us to the old food pyramid, and then we had the pharmaceutical company get involved and say, we now have medications that can lower your blood cholesterol level, and great, if it worked.

But here we are now, 4050, years into giving this same advice, and heart disease remains the number one killer in the United States and worldwide. 650,000 people died from heart disease last year in the United States, it was far and away the largest killer, and it has been for the past 70 years. So, you know,

this was something, again, that didn't sit right with me. If we understood what caused heart disease, and it was all about cholesterol and the fat that we were eating, why isn't it getting better. And, you know, we now know that cholesterol, we know.

No, I just want to, want to point to a few things, because I was just on a phone with a gentleman who's doing some other nutrition stuff, and we were giggling, and I told him I was going to interview you about cholesterol, you know, and I wanted to bring up the cholesterol and food

pyramid, because aren't there studies that also contribute? I mean, your brain has a lot of cholesterol in it, so if you're taking a statin, which is what the Pharmas want you to take so they can make a bunch of money. I mean, isn't that completely counter and causing or amplifying Alzheimer's and

dementia? Because you mean the people that take that your brain needs cholesterol, right? So speak to that correlation. I thought that was an interesting correlation. And how there are studies who I mean that absolutely refute everything that you know you're talking about, that cholesterol isn't

the main factor.

Dr Phillip Ovadia: Yeah, so you know the there is a lot of controversial science around the medication, statins, in particular, and what might be the downsides of lowering cholesterol with these medications, neurologic issues like dementia, Alzheimer's and Parkinson are one aspect of it.

There are other aspects of these as well. And ultimately, you know, every pharmaceutical agent has side effects. So, you know, sometimes you say, well, those side effects are worth the end effects, right? If you're preventing, you know, a lot of heart disease, then maybe you say, Okay, we're going to accept

a small risk of increase in Alzheimer's or increase in diabetes that occurs when you're on these medications for long periods of time. The problem is that they don't actually prevent heart disease all that well, the data around the effectiveness of statins is where we really you know the real controversy exist

because on average, for someone who's never had a heart attack, if you take a statin for 10 years, it does not extend your life at all. It has never been demonstrated to extend life. It might prevent you from having one non fatal heart attack for every 100 people. Health that take that medication for 10

years. Those are what the actual stats tell us. So you know, I don't even get all that concerned about the side effects which are part of the discussion. I'm concerned because these medications are simply ineffective. And yet, the average person, when they go to their primary care doctor or

they go to their cardiologist. They are told that this is the way to save their life, and this is essential to saving their life. Last big myth that is really distracting us from the true causes of heart disease.

Yeah, yeah. Last week was kind of what brought this up is I was, you know, told I need to have a stat, and I said I've had genetically high cholesterol, and my ratio is, like three, so I'm not going to do it. Well, no, it's really prescribed. So what's interesting too, and I

want you to talk about advocacy for your own health care as you move to what we need to be doing. And then let's talk about your new book is, which is, stay off my kitchen table, which is all the foods, and we really go into that, but do the transition of just the lack of advocacy? Is it, you know, is, I say the same

thing with wealth. Is it because you don't feel comfortable like challenging a doctor? You don't feel challenged, you know, comfortable challenging a CPA is in my in my world, or a lawyer, you know, advocating for yourself, because you know what's right for you has got to be part of this formula. I mean,

so speak to that a little bit, and how you bring that into your staff, your operating table, and soon to be your kitchen table.

Dr Phillip Ovadia: Yeah, it's exactly right. And there are lots of parallels that we see in the financial world, right? Most people have outsourced their health, right? They have given over the management of their health, and they think that being healthy is dependent on your doctor doing something for

you or the health care system, you know, more broadly, doing something for you. And the reality is, is that you know, we can look all around us and we can see the results that the average person gets from outsourcing their health to the healthcare system, and those results are not very good,

right? We see how prominent diabetes and obesity and heart disease and cancer and all these things are, and it's only right when you take the initiative, no one is going to know better about your health than you are, and everyone can get educated enough right to be able to guide. And yes, you want

guidance from, you know, expert physicians, but you also right, similar to what you talk about in the financial world, you have to know when, if they're just giving you advice that isn't improving you, isn't improving you financially, or isn't making your health better. And you know, a simple question for

people to start asking, right is, you know, if they are the average 50 year old person in this country, and they are on between three and five medications, right that they have now been told they're going to need to remain on for for life. Is that truly healthy? Right? Is that what you want

from your life? And if it's not, you should maybe start asking some different questions to your doctor, and you should start educating yourself on, what can you do to improve your health? Because people, individually, they have the power. My goal as a physician now is for people not to need me, right? And I

know, you know, from a business model, right? And talking about making money, this might not be the best concept, but the reality is, is that I would rather see a patient. You know, I work with them for a while. I educate them. They change their habits, they change their life, and then they don't need me

anymore. They're good to go. They know how to stay healthy. And you know, that's what people should be looking for you shouldn't be dependent on your doctor to make you healthy. You can do it yourself. Take back control of your health, is the way that I oftentimes explain it to people.

Well, I love your comment. You know why people outsource? You know why they outsource their health? I'd say it's convenience and lack of wanting to learn. So let's talk about some of the biggest shifts. I mean, I want to start with the carnivore diet, because, you know, it's been

it's been interesting. The amount of people that have moved to that and feel healthier, better energy completely contrarian to everything we've been told is, don't eat as much red meat. Don't eat as much fat. And the healthiest people I know consume it. And then, you know, when my son went to Georgia

Southern, I mean, the amount of red meat they put in those football players. And it's not just Georgia Southern. I mean, so the NCAA supports of this, of what you're about to talk about, which is, I think, truly myth busting to most people who are still in that old school and wondering. Why things aren't

working. Their health isn't working. They have low energy, blah, blah, blah,

Dr Phillip Ovadia: yeah, and this leads us to that new food pyramid, which literally flipped itself upside down, right? And you know, to understand why things have moved in that direction, again, you have to understand what are the factors that are actually damaging our health. We said it's not

cholesterol. That's a myth. What it is is what we call insulin resistance, which means the way that your body is able to process the nutrients that you're getting. And this particularly ties to carbohydrates, and eating a lot of carbohydrates, and especially eating processed carbohydrates,

your body gets to a point where it can no longer process those and so therefore it's like putting, you know, diesel fuel into a car that takes, you know, unleaded gasoline. It's not going to work very well. You're going to damage that motor, and ultimately, you know, you're going to blow out the engine.

And that's what we see with carbohydrates and highly processed carbohydrates. So explain that a

little bit. Explain. I mean, the one thing that just caught my ear was when you said, you know, you can continue eat it, but your body doesn't process it because you're like, gut health just doesn't want to it. Just it does. There's nowhere to put it, like there's no processing. It

killed all the bacteria. Explain that to our listeners, because I think that's, it's interesting, because I think people just get in that pattern of doing the same thing, and they don't even realize that nothing's happening. Yeah.

Dr Phillip Ovadia: And so, you know, gut health is an aspect of this, but it's probably not the central issue. The central issue is our body has two primary energy sources that it can use, sugar, glucose is kind of the term we look at for there and fat. These are the two things that we can eat and then turn

into energy. And the problem with sugar is that it becomes toxic when too much of it accumulates in our bloodstream. So anytime you eat sugar, and we have to understand that any carbohydrate that we eat gets turned into sugar in our body, whether it's a processed carbohydrate, you know, or a

natural, unprocessed carbohydrate, it all ends up in sugar. And when we get too much sugar in our bloodstream, the body needs to get rid of it. Now you can burn it off right if you're doing activity, you're exercising, you'll burn off some of that sugar, but the rest of it, the body wants to get out of

the bloodstream, and so it uses something called insulin, which many people have heard about, to get the sugar out of the bloodstream. And you start putting it into your cells. You can put some into your muscle, you can put some into your liver, and then you start putting it into your fat cells.

But when those things get full right, the cells start saying, We can't take any more sugar. And this is what insulin resistance is. And therefore the sugar level in the bloodstream, the glucose starts to increase. And now it gets to that level that it becomes toxic and it starts damaging your blood

vessels and it starts damaging your organs. So if you're in this situation, right, if you are what we call insulin resistant or metabolically unhealthy, the more carbohydrates you're eating, the more damage you're doing. And unfortunately, 88% of the adults in the United States are in poor

metabolic health, so they're somewhere on the spectrum that they are not handling they can no longer handle carbohydrates adequately, and that's what leads us to you want to undo this problem? Great, eat less carbohydrates. You're going to eat less carbohydrates. Well, what are you going to eat?

You're going to start turning to things like animal products that meat basically has no carbohydrate in it, but meat does have all of the nutrients that we need to survive. So it becomes a perfect food to start eating if you want to undo or avoid insulin resistance.

So that's really the bigger culprit, isn't it?

Dr Phillip Ovadia: Yeah, it. It dwarfs, you know, coming back specifically to heart disease that I talk about, the studies show that the risk, your risk of having a heart attack, if you have a high level of cholesterol in your blood right goes up by about 40% so what we call 1.4x the risk, if your cholesterol

level is normal, if you have insulin resistance, your risk of a heart attack increases 10x Right, 10 times the risk, so compared to 1.4 times the risk, right, where you're talking about a much more significant risk factor. And what really gets interesting is, if you are not insulin resistant, having

high cholesterol probably does not increase your risk of a heart attack at all cholesterol only becomes problematic when it is in the environment of insulin resistance.

So talk about strokes inside of this whole narrative, because strokes are kind of right there tend people tend to go one of two ways. Is insulin resistance, the metabolic health, more towards heart attacks, strokes, combination speak to that and just clarify, yeah,

Dr Phillip Ovadia: so what's really interesting about insulin resistance? We can look at the top 10 causes of death in the United States every year, and we're talking about heart attacks, stroke, cancer, diabetes, chronic kidney disease, chronic lung disease, they are all worsened by being

insulin resistant, and even more so, one of the other top 10 causes of death are suicide from psychiatric conditions. And we now have a whole growing body of evidence showing that psychiatric health, mental health is tied to insulin resistance as well. So it turns out that nine of the top 10

causes of death every year in the United States are directly attributable to insulin resistance.

So let's go to your new book right. And by the way, if you want any of Dr Phil's information, you can go to the website, I fix hearts, com forward slash Laurel. Is that correct? It'll be in the show notes below, and you'll get the first chapter of the book coming out. So tell us about the

stay off your operating table. In my experience, reading was more, I'd say overall, in general, started the food conversation this next book coming July 28 this year, and we'll be doing a lot more podcasts and supporting Dr Phil to launch this book. I think it's vital, if you don't have

great health, you will not continue to have your wealth, because you won't be able to manage it. So talk about that the new book.

Dr Phillip Ovadia: Yeah, exactly. So stay off my kitchen table. Goes deeper and explains why we want to keep certain foods off of our kitchen table so that ultimately we can stay off the operating table. Stay off my kitchen table focuses on what really are the key factors that we should be thinking about

when deciding what to eat, nutrient density and what we call bioavailability. So all food, well, I shouldn't say all food, all real food, has nutrients in it, and this is what this is the reason that we eat. We don't eat to get calories. We eat to get nutrients, our body actually has

no way of sensing calories. It only senses the nutrients that's coming into our food, and those nutrients are then the essential things that we need to, you know, function to be alive. So understanding foods that are more dense in nutrients leads us to what we should probably be preferentially eating. But the

second factor is bioavailability, because some foods have nutrients, but our body isn't optimized to extract those, and this really gets us into the whole understanding of why animal foods are more bioavailable and they are what humans should be preferentially eating, because while plant

foods may have certain nutrients in it, our bodies actually have a very tough Time extracting the nutrients from plant foods. So understanding nutrient density and bioavailability, that's what really leads us to understand what are the optimal foods for us to be eating.

So talk about how the book will be laid out. Like, will you be giving? Like, meal prep recipes, how deep and like is it all scientific? Or talk about the book. Get us excited about the book, because we got a pre order right here, folks, and we're going to

Dr Phillip Ovadia: definitely go ahead and pre order it so it has all of it, right? We tried to balance. It's very readable, but it does have over 250 scientific references in it. And yes, we do all that, we lay out a four week plan for you to start from wherever you are and start to optimize your health with

better, nutrient dense, focused eating plan. We have the recipes. We have the meal plans in there, and we lay out a four week strategy that will get you on the road to recovery. And of course, we go into the why behind it. We explain the science. We talk about gut health and your microbiome and

how that affects your bio availability of the foods that you're eating, and we talk about the challenges that many people face. Right? Because I want people to understand there is no one right ideal diet for everyone, and I'm not giving you in the book Dr ovadia's Diet Plan, and this is the way that

everyone needs to eat. I give you the framework to help you understand and analyze how the foods that you are eating are affecting your health, and the shifts that you can start to make and experiment with and figure out what ends up being the optimal diet plan for you.

I love it. Just gave me an idea. After you speak at our table. I think we should do a table challenge for four weeks with the group that all buys a certain amount of your books to pre launch that kind of fun, put everybody in a fun competition for their own health. So the book comes out

July 28 talk a little bit about the pre orders when they order now, what's available for them to get now to start their education. Now talk a little bit about that, and all this will be in your show notes below. And always, if you have any questions, go to ask oral.com A, S, K, L, O, R, a, l, ask a

question there and or make a request, and we'll get it over to Dr Phil. Yeah.

Dr Phillip Ovadia: So lots of exciting, different bonuses that we're going to be offering around the pre order of the book. And the book is widely available for pre order now all the usual places. And so when you order multiple copies, there's going to be different bonuses that are going to be

available. And the best way to keep up to date on that is go to iFIX hearts.com, forward slash Loral, right now. Sign up. Get on our list. You're going to get a free chapter from stay off my operating table, the first book when you do that. And then you're also going to get on the notification list for all of the

exciting bonuses that we're going to have. We're going to have special preview sessions of the book that are going to be open only to people who pre order, and we're going to be doing a giveaway where you will win a free consult with me. Ultimately, you'll have a you'll get an entry into that when you

pre order the book. So there's going to be lots of things happening. We're still about six months out. Now, this book is headed for the New York Times bestseller list, and you can be one of those people who says, I knew this first. I understood this first, because it's going to be really we're starting to

see the shift right? And this brings us back to the discussion around this is what the food pyramid is now. This is what the doctors who really know what they're talking about when it comes to improving your health through diet and lifestyle. This is what they're going to be talking about. But

unfortunately, a lot of people out there are going to need to educate their doctors, because they're still stuck on these old myths. But you can do that. You can take control of your health, and then you can help your doctor learn, so that they can then be truly helping other people as well, well.

And I was just thinking, for those of you that pre order a variety of books, I mean, probably just don't have one doctor. So order enough and give your doctor a gift and say if we're going to be, if you're going to, you know, continue to be my doctor. We got to get in the right conversation, or at

least align the conversation I want to have for me and my health. Last thing I want to ask you just so big, big plug. You also are a tele med doctor. So talk a little bit about that. Those that want to engage you to be there, doctor,

Dr Phillip Ovadia: yeah, so my practice, Ovadia, heart health, nationwide, telemedicine. I am licensed in all 50 states and Washington, DC, we can see you anywhere via telemedicine. It is a very different model than you are used to. These are not 15 minute quick visits, check a box, write a prescription. These

are one hour visits. I have an amazing team of health coaches that work with me, that you see as well. I have a great nurse practitioner, and our practice is very different, and we are trying to get as many people as possible empowered to take back control of their health. So if you know you have heart disease,

if you're concerned about heart disease, if you're worried about your metabolic health, then come see. Us, and we can help you with all of that.

Absolutely, Doctor Phil's been great to have you. I know you'll be back probably within the next month, if not less than that. If you guys have any questions again for any of the information, and the first chapter in pre ordering Dr Phil's book, go to iFIXhearts.com forward slash

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