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Bridging the Gap or Burning the Bridge? The Generational Divide at Work
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In this episode of A Black Executive Perspective, host Tony Tidbit sits down with Rodney Brown Jr., award-winning filmmaker and co-founder of Barbara Jean Productions, for a raw and relevant conversation about the generational divide reshaping today’s workforce. From his unexpected start as a hesitant high school actor to building a storytelling brand rooted in culture and innovation, Rodney reflects on the pivotal moments that shaped his path. Together, they unpack how generational mindsets collide—and occasionally align—especially in industries being transformed by technology. Rodney also shares lessons from his time at Viacom, his vision for Barbara Jean Productions, and how storytelling remains a powerful force for connection across age groups. This episode closes with real talk and real tools for leaders and creatives looking to bridge the generational gap—with empathy, adaptability, and intention.

▶︎ In This Episode

00:00: Introduction and Generational Perspectives

01:00: Welcome to A Black Executive Perspective

02:03: Guest Introduction: Rodney Brown Jr.

04:07: Rodney's Background and Family

07:26: The Spark of Acting and Filmmaking

18:43: Navigating Generational Differences in the Workforce

27:02: Empathy and Understanding Different Generations

30:05: Adapting to Different Work Environments

37:48: The Importance of Storytelling in Film

44:49: Future Plans for Barbara Jean Productions

48:16: Final Thoughts and Call to Action

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This, my job says I'm doing this, I'm

only doing this, or I only wanna work

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this amount, or whatever the case may be.

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Um, because I come from an older

mindset, an older generation.

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You said you could understand

because you've been on both sides.

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Talk a little bit about it.

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Yeah.

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Um, yeah, I have been under on both

sides and I can't understand that.

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I can't empathize with the younger

generation because I think, I think

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it's, it's, it's important to start here.

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I think we have to give them grace, right?

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I think we, we have to

approach this from a, uh.

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An approach of understanding and empathy,

uh, before we are quick to judge, right?

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Because there's no fault to their,

there's no fault of theirs, that they

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have been thrust into this society that

is insanely reliant on technology and

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this society that where information

is at their fingertips and there's are

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ways to make money and make a living

in ways that there weren't before.

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We'll discuss race and how it plays

a factor and how we didn't even talk

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about this topic 'cause we were afraid.

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A black executive perspective.

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Ooh, we're coming to you live from

the new BEP studio for another thought

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provoking episode from a black executive

perspective podcast, A safe space

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where we discuss all matters related

to race, culture, and those little

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uncomfortable topics people tend to avoid.

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I'm your host, Tony Tidbit.

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So we're excited about today's episode.

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Um, we got a fantastic guest.

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But before we get started,

we always wanna pay homage.

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code M Magazine, whose mission

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by first saving the black man.

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Two m code m magazine.com.

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So, you know, one of the things

about work today, especially with

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technology, the future of work is

evolving fast and adaptability.

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Generational wisdom and creative

entrepre entrepreneurship are

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essential for success today.

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We're joined by Rodney Brown, co-founder

of Barbara Jean Productions, and he's

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coming to talk to us about build, bridging

those generational gaps, navigating

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career shifts, and turning creative

passions into a thriving business.

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So let me tell you a little bit

about my brother, Rodney Brown, Jr.

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Rodney Brown Jr.

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Is a writer, producer, and director

based in New York City, and co-founder

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of Barbara Jean Productions.

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His career BA began at Paramount

and BET, but it was his passion

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for filmmaking that set him apart.

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With the background in management

consulting for McKinsey and Company,

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Rodney Blends creativity with

analytical problem solving to help

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drive Barbara Jean's production success.

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His short film, the Fruit It Bears that

came out in:

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It captivated audiences at the Pan-African

Film Festival and caught the attention

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of BET and Revolt Media, which we're

gonna ask him about that later on.

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Rodney's journey from a reluctant

high school actor to an award-winning,

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winning filmmaker embodies his dedication

to storytelling and innovation.

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Rodney Brown, Jr.

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Welcome to a Black Executive

Perspective Podcast, my brother.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I truly honored to be here and that's

a heck of a, uh, bio, an intro that

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we got there, so I appreciate that.

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Look, buddy, it's your background, right?

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I didn't make anything up.

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If you wanted me to, I could

have, you know, said you were

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scorsese's, you know, lost, lost

cousin, but I didn't do that, right?

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But your credentials speak for itself.

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So we really excited.

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For you to be here.

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And obviously you are gonna chat

about something that, uh, the

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majority Americans in the workforce

struggle with, and that's that

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generational divide that we deal with.

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So we can't wait to hear your story and

how you've seen success and learn more

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about Barbara Jean Productions mm-hmm.

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And how you guys are making

a lot of things happen.

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But before we go into that, I would love

to hear more about, tell us a little

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bit about where you're currently living

and a little bit about your family.

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Yeah, sure.

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Sure.

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Um.

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Currently I'm living

in Brooklyn, New York.

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Been up here for about seven

years, uh, since:

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So I guess one could say I

almost got my New York card.

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You know, I know they say

that you are a transplant.

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You, uh, you gotta do 10 years before

you can say you are a New Yorker.

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Right?

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So, okay.

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We almost there.

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We are almost there.

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Um, but yeah, I'm a family.

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I come from.

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Mother and beautiful mother and

father are still married in 36 years.

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Father was a police depar police

officer at the Sheriff's Department

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down in Montgomery County, Maryland.

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My mother worked for the State

Department for over 30 years as well.

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So very much come from black family,

also down in the suburbs with some

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old school traditional values, right?

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So, um.

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And then I have a sister who is the

other half of Barbara Jean Productions.

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So it is she and I and um, we

come from the lovely brown family.

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Um.

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Sailing all the way from the

DMV from Southern Maryland.

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That's awesome, man.

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That is awesome.

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I never heard he had to be in

the city 10 years before you

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got to the New York City card.

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So, um, that's a new one on me,

but hey, if that, if that counts.

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You, you close, you, do you win a prize

or do you, I guess it's pride, right?

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Is it a prize thing?

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Thing?

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Yeah.

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I don't know, you know, but I'll tell

you what, you don't have to be in

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New York City long in my, in my book.

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Earn your New York City card

because it'll, it'll introduce

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you to itself real fast.

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Well, here, here's the thing though.

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A politician can move here in two years

and all of a sudden run for mayor.

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That's right.

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That is true.

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Then, you know, so I don't, I don't

buy the 10 year thing, but regardless,

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man, we're excited that you're here and

thanks for giving us some, some insight

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in terms of your family and being from.

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You know, the Maryland area?

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Mm-hmm.

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Now look, bro, you got a lot going on.

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You know, you have this production

company that you've done.

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Um, you're basically, and you're

gonna talk a little bit about

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all the work that you do, and

you've made a lot of short films.

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Um, it even took you a minute to get here

because you were really, really busy and

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all the stuff you got going on, right?

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So, why did you wanna come on

BEP to talk about this topic?

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Yeah, so I think that first off, um,

this podcast is necessary, right?

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I think that the, creating a space

where we can have comfortable,

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comfortable conversations in 2024 and

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think we've seen over the past year or

18 months or so, these conversations

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sort of tail off a little bit, right?

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Or some, some people will be a little

bit turned off by them, but I like

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the fact that this podcast encompasses

all uncomfortable conversations, big,

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small, in between, doesn't matter.

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So I love that.

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And number two, I wanted to come on

here because I felt as though that

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you have a topic that we're gonna

talk about today in regards to the,

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the workforce generations bridging

the gap, creativity, entrepreneurial

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entrepreneurism, and storytelling.

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I think that all of those things are

really coming to the forefront of

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the workforce through creative world

and, um, just the, the dynamic of

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how we're existing with one another.

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And I think that it's reaching

a critical point to whereas.

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Both sides or all generations

need to sort of come together

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and get some understanding.

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As to why.

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The what, the why behind the

what, I guess you could say.

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Right, right.

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Well, look man, I'm excited you're here.

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Thanks for that.

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You ready to talk about it, my brother?

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Let's do it.

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Let's do it.

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All right.

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Let's talk about it.

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So, let's back up a little bit,

man, south Maryland, you came here.

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Tell us a little bit, you know,

before you got, because I, I'm,

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I'm hearing, you know, reluctant.

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High school actor.

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So talk a little bit about that

and then, you know, obviously how

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you got into the production side.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So, um, again, from southern

Maryland, so very much the suburbs,

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so where I was from is a vast stark

difference from New York City.

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Right?

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So a little bit of a, a shock to

the frequency at which life is in

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New York City, but where I was from,

you know, I grew up playing sports.

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My sister and I, we played

basketball, we took the school bus.

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And I just remember my dad always

telling me, you know, one day that

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school bus is gonna come by and

you ain't gonna have to get on it.

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And as a kid, you know, that didn't

really mean much, but that sure

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enough, uh, that day short enough came.

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Right?

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So how the acting thing sort of came

about was when I was in high school, I

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was a basketball player, I ran track,

played basketball, and I was pretty good.

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And what happened was I had

gotten hurt my junior year.

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And in addition to that, I had brought

home a C on my interim report or no?

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So when you say you got hurt,

like how did you get hurt?

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Yeah, so I had decided I wanted

to play football, so I was the

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basketball star, I guess you could say.

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And then if you had the football

ball guys over here and you know,

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they like to talk trash to the

basketball guys and what have you.

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So you know, the football guys, they would

come try out for the basketball team.

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So I said, all right, I'm

gonna come play football.

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And, um, I was pretty good.

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But the problem was, I, the change in

terrain from going from hardwood to a

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soft turf field was giving me tendonitis.

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Mm-hmm.

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Was giving me knee issues.

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So as a result, I was unable

to play basketball that season.

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Um, I could have stayed on the team, but

I didn't want to get, I didn't want to

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take up a spot and not be able to play.

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So I said, you know what, I'm just

gonna run indoor track when I'm healthy

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and outdoor track in the, uh, spring.

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Just get my strength and

conditioning up on my legs.

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Got it.

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Got it.

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So I had brought home a C on my

progress report, and it was in

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theater arts and in my household you

were not allowed to bring home cs.

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So my dad sees this and he said,

well, this is unacceptable,

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especially in theater arts.

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I could see if this was math of science.

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So I go to my theater arts

teacher and I say, Hey, Mr.

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Minor, yeah, this is this,

this, this isn't gonna work.

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And he says, well, how about this?

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Why don't you come to auditions?

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I.

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I said, Mr.

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Minor, I can't come to auditions.

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I have basketball practice,

or I have track practice.

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He said, well, I guess you're

just gonna have a C then.

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So naturally I went to auditions and he

keeps calling me back over and over again.

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I'm checking the board.

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I'm going to school.

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Why is my name still being

here week after week?

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And he ultimately gives me the

main part and that part is Macbeth.

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Wow.

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I did not know who Sha, I

knew who Shakespeare was.

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I wasn't familiar with the ins

and outs of Macbeth or with

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anything else he had written.

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So, um, that was an amazing experience.

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So, um, I, I, I killed it at least

as far as the audience is concerned.

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And, you know, it was funny, I had

my friends in the front row trying

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to make me laugh and what have you.

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And, um, so from there that

was really sparked my interest

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into acting and into movies.

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And from there, that is when my

sister got, uh, involved in it as well

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because she was on, she loved music.

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She had a camera and she was shooting

music videos, you know, young 18, 17

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years old, just having fun with a camera.

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And so from there that, looking

back that I think that was the spark

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for both of us that said, Hey, you

know what, maybe we can do this.

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And then we had parents who

really believed in us, right?

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And really said, Hey, you

can do whatever you want.

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What is your oyster?

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Go chase your dreams.

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And um, that's, that's

how it started, buddy.

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So number one, the teacher

saw something in you.

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Think so.

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I think he was, Hey, I think he

was trying to sell some tickets.

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He look, so, to give you the

thing, Macbeth, so how was

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he trying to sell tickets?

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I, because there must be some more

of the story that I don't know about.

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I I knew a lot of people in the school.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But to do that beat basketball.

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To play that character though.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Let, that's not easy.

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I think some of the other

thespians were a little upset.

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Okay.

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Think about it for a second.

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I played Martin Luther King Jr.

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Right in, in one of our, when I was in.

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Sixth grade or something of that nature.

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Right.

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Not bad.

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It was three, four lines.

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Right.

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I didn't have to, you know,

I didn't have to practice, I

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didn't have to to play Macbeth.

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Yeah.

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That was, that's not anybody gets that.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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And so, so number one, he had

to, and, and again, I don't,

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I just biased on the story.

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Mm-hmm.

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Had to see something in you.

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Number two, you said you killed it.

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Right.

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Because evidently you must

have put some effort into it.

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I did.

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Right.

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And you practiced.

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'cause you didn't want to, if your

parents, as you're telling us, you know,

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they didn't accept the C So other words,

they didn't accept anything half-assed.

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That's true.

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Right.

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So then that means when you, you,

you, you said, okay, I'll do it.

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You put in a hundred

percent and you kicked butt.

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I did.

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You know, I did.

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I, uh, I, uh, was up all night.

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Recording, like rehearsing my lines, I

was going to the other actor's houses

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and making sure I had my lines right.

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And, um, so yeah, I put a, I put a lot

into it and, um, you know, didn't really

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think much of it at the time, but, uh,

to your point, yeah, maybe he did see

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something and, uh, here we are now.

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You know, I think that was,

uh, the beginning of this, uh,

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sort of storytelling journey.

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That I, that I went on.

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Wow.

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But you know, mind if I

tell you this quick story?

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I, and I didn't re, I saw this on,

um, what is the, um, the thing, uh,

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it comes on BET or I forget, they do

a little backstory of an actor or,

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uh, an actress or a musician, I forget

it was called, but they had Leon.

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Do you know who Leon is?

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They did his backstory.

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He played the tempt

David Ruffin Temptation.

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Okay.

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You've seen Lean On in a thousand movies.

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That, that reason I'm

telling you the story.

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Because it's similar to yours.

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He played, he got recruited,

he's from New York.

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He got recruited, he got a scholarship,

I think, to play basketball,

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uh, Lelo, uh, out in California.

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He was on the basketball team college.

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Okay.

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And all of a sudden a guy came up to

him on the campus and said, Hey man,

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he said, you should check out this

acting thing, this class, this drama.

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So he went and checked it out,

but he wasn't interested in it.

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Right.

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And then he said like his second year,

this dude ran up to him and said, look

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man, we want you to be in this play.

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And he was like, I don't

look, I'm not interested.

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I don't know nothing about this.

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They said, you ain't got to.

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We've been watching you.

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I.

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Okay.

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And then he went and he got the bug.

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Okay.

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Just like you, not something

he wasn't even thinking about.

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And then the moral of the story, he had a

big play that he was gonna do on campus.

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Mm-hmm.

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And, uh, the, he went to the coach to say,

Hey, I got this, this, this, this, this

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film or this, this play that I need to do.

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We have a game, can I miss the game?

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And the coach said to him,

if you don't show up for this

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game, you're off the team.

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He looked and said, I'm off the team.

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Mm-hmm.

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And he left and looked and it took his

career and he said he saw that coach years

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later and the coach apologized and said

he should have been, and this kind of

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fits in terms of our generational stuff.

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He should have been more flexible.

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Uh, with his students, with

his players, knowing that they

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had other gifts and talents.

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Right.

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So that's why I love your story

because obviously Oh, dude must

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have saw something into, into you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, I actually appreciate

you sharing that.

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That's actually something that I, that

I actually wanna watch now, because

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there's a lot of, there's a lot of

parallels in that, and that's actually

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pretty deep because to your point.

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The generations, you know, um, the coach

is looking at it from his perspective

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and he's like, Hey, look, like if

you wanna do this and you wanna be a

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professional, then you need to be here.

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You can't miss a game.

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Old school coach.

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Exactly.

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All right.

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Right.

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New school dude.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then now, you know, um, life is

a little bit more nuance than that.

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You know what I mean?

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You two things can be true, right?

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Or you can look at it from another

perspective and say, Hey, well if

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this is calling you, then maybe

you should answer that call.

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Excellent point, bro.

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So tell me, how did that, that

seed that was planted, how did

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it take you to the next level?

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Well, I think that, um, it

started with us being able to

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move to New York City, right?

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The plea was, the seed was planted

years before we moved there, and

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we started with shooting content

with the people who are around us.

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Right, long before we wrote a script,

long before we even, um, shot a movie.

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It started with our family, our

cousins, our friends, and what have you.

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So we would start, so we started with

a, um, musician who's our cousin,

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started filming his music videos.

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He launched a nonprofit organization.

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So we started filming the

kids and what have you.

380

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And then we eventually

moved up to New York City.

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Uh, my sister was able

to get a job at Viacom.

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I was able to get, get a job at Viacom

as well and that's sort of what made us

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:

open our eyes to see what's possible.

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'cause we were exposed to the

conglomerate that is Viacom CBS

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Paramount and we were exposed to the

vast city of New York where it is filled

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with creatives and entrepreneurs and

uh, people from all walks of life.

387

:

So coming up here I think was really

what opened our eyes because we come

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:

from a small town down in Maryland

where a lot of folks are either just

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:

military, you are working with the

federal, state, or local government, or

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:

you're working blue collar jobs, which

is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

391

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But just as far as opportunity is

concerned, there was a lot more of

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:

it up in New York City and I think

that's what sort of made us expand

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and sort of And bloom and blossom.

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Funny.

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That is so and so tho that's an

important, and thanks for sharing that.

396

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That's important.

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I.

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You, you want to be something, but if

there's not a lot of opportunity in

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your neighborhood, in your environment,

it's hard for you to do that.

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You have to go somewhere else.

401

:

Right.

402

:

And hearing that you guys came up and

got a job at Viacom, which is awesome.

403

:

Um, but I.

404

:

That, again, going back to the,

the, the Macbeth thing, that seed

405

:

definitely kind of, it didn't go away.

406

:

Mm-hmm.

407

:

Right.

408

:

And then doing the things with your

cousins and stuff to that nature.

409

:

Right.

410

:

So let me, let me ask you this though.

411

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How old are you, if you

don't mind me asking?

412

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I just turned the ripe

age of 30 years old.

413

:

So you're 30, okay?

414

:

Mm-hmm.

415

:

So now you're, you're coming in, you're

coming into big city like, what was

416

:

my girl Alicia Keys says in New York?

417

:

Yep.

418

:

Which is so true.

419

:

So true.

420

:

Right?

421

:

So you come to New York, you get a job,

you got a big company, Viacom, okay.

422

:

Television, movies, the whole nine yards.

423

:

Advertising, everything

you can think of, right?

424

:

Yep.

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:

You're 20 something years old.

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Now you are in a company that

you have baby boomers, you have

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:

generational X Generation X, you have

millennials, you have every, you know,

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I think this is the only, I could be

wrong, but I thought this was the.

429

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One of the few times, this is

the one the time where we think

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we have five generations all at

the same time in the workforce.

431

:

Mm-hmm.

432

:

Okay.

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Talk a little bit about

that experience, right?

434

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Coming up, getting a job, you know,

and then you are, what, what's

435

:

your generation ZI am a millennial.

436

:

Millennial.

437

:

Mm-hmm.

438

:

So you are a millennial now you

in, in the, in the office with baby

439

:

boomers and all that type stuff.

440

:

They, we, they have different mindsets.

441

:

Yeah.

442

:

Millennials have different mindsets.

443

:

Talk a little bit about that.

444

:

I think the best way to

answer this question is to, to

445

:

really lay out the timeframe.

446

:

So I started out in 2016 to 2018 down

in Washington dc Department of Justice

447

:

and what have you, and then I came up

here:

448

:

was working at Viacom and in the media

entertainment, digital ad space industry.

449

:

Right.

450

:

And we were working with a variety of

generations, I guess you could say.

451

:

So I think what the biggest thing that

sort of jumped off the paper for me was

452

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I was working with older executives.

453

:

I was working with folks who were, I don't

know, maybe in their fifties or older,

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:

and I was half of their age Correct.

455

:

Working as their assistant.

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:

And it, it, it was interesting to

me seeing how they were in this

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:

position and they had trouble

figuring out how to send their email.

458

:

Right.

459

:

But as a young kid, you don't really

quite understand that their value is not

460

:

in the Gmail or Outlook inbox, right?

461

:

Of course, they know how to send an

email or structure an email, right?

462

:

Their value is in the experience,

the relationships, and what have you.

463

:

And then as my career went on, I

started to notice that the people

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:

who are around my age group and older

didn't struggle as much with doing

465

:

things that they were asked to do.

466

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Even though they didn't want to, and

the folks who were a little bit younger

467

:

than I was, were sort of struggling to

justify why they should do things that

468

:

may not be outside their job description.

469

:

Now, the biggest thing that I noticed

was that folks a little bit younger than

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:

me, uh, maybe I don't wanna prove really

put a number on it, but they are not

471

:

afraid to pull that job description card.

472

:

Where I come from, I.

473

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You never pull that job description

card unless it, I mean, it's

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:

been going on for months.

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:

This is outta control.

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:

They're taking advantage of you.

477

:

You're not getting, like, I mean, it has

to be really bad for you to have that

478

:

conversation and you better not have

that conversation within the first year.

479

:

So I'm, I'm sort of in the

middle of this, right, where my

480

:

generation understands both sides.

481

:

So, so working in those environments

was really, really interesting to see.

482

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How much pushback some of the younger

folks would give and how the older folks

483

:

or the uh, folks in the positions of

leadership couldn't quite understand why

484

:

that the younger folks had this position.

485

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So I think that I'm in a unique

spot to be able to understand

486

:

both sides of the equation.

487

:

Right?

488

:

And, um, I think that that

was just a really interesting.

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496

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You know, so number one,

thanks for that my friend.

497

:

And you say something that we've

all struggled with and, and, and to

498

:

be fair, you're only 30 years old

and I say only not as disparaging.

499

:

But you know, at the end of the

day, you're 30, you're on the lower

500

:

rung of being a millennial, right?

501

:

At the, at the well, yeah.

502

:

I'm closer to being Gen Z.

503

:

Correct.

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:

Because I'm a baby boomer.

505

:

Right.

506

:

And it went from 44 to 64.

507

:

I was born in 64.

508

:

Right.

509

:

So I'm at the, the back end of it.

510

:

Right.

511

:

So, so, so, so a couple things

I wanted to say is that.

512

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You know, that has been a struggle

because I think one of the reasons why,

513

:

well, there's multiple reasons and let,

let me just say this, let's back up.

514

:

Number one, it's not,

uh, an anomaly, okay?

515

:

When I was a kid, I.

516

:

When I was six years old, my grandmother

was telling me how soft we were.

517

:

Right.

518

:

And what they did earlier when they

were a kid and they would run circles

519

:

around us and how they carry two PAs

of water, three miles and uphill,

520

:

but all that type of, so that's not,

that's not every generation does that.

521

:

Mm-hmm.

522

:

Right.

523

:

Every, it is not something and then

your, when you get older, you're gonna be

524

:

telling your kids some, something similar.

525

:

Right.

526

:

The challenge is, is having all

these generations in the workforce.

527

:

More importantly, the

mindsets that go with them.

528

:

Okay.

529

:

You just gave two quick,

two great examples.

530

:

Right.

531

:

You know, there's a mindset of, you know,

why am I, this ain't my job description.

532

:

I.

533

:

And I can't believe this, this, and that.

534

:

And then there's a mindset.

535

:

You ain't even got a right

to even bring that up.

536

:

You supposed to be just working hard

and hoping that you get noticed.

537

:

Exactly.

538

:

Okay.

539

:

And so, so when you have those two

different mindsets and there's, there's

540

:

others in the middle too as well.

541

:

Mm-hmm.

542

:

It causes friction.

543

:

Okay.

544

:

And so talk a little bit 'cause I wanna, I

wanna par make this, um, make it parallel

545

:

to what you're doing because obviously

with Barbara Jean Productions mm-hmm.

546

:

You are, you know, doing stuff

and building stuff with all

547

:

different type of people, right.

548

:

Who are older, younger, in between.

549

:

Okay.

550

:

And have those different type

of mindsets, you gotta be able

551

:

to, um, navigate that mm-hmm.

552

:

In a very diplomatic way to

be able to become successful.

553

:

So, you know, one of the things is

when I was, you know, I've been,

554

:

uh, um, uh, uh, in, in leadership

at a lot of places I've been right.

555

:

And I've always struggled

with those individuals that,

556

:

you know, would come in and.

557

:

My job says I'm doing this, I'm only

doing this, or I only wanna work this

558

:

amount, or whatever the case may be.

559

:

Um, because I come from an older

mindset, an older generation.

560

:

You said you could understand

because you've been on both sides.

561

:

Talk a little bit about that.

562

:

Yeah.

563

:

Um, yeah, I have been under on both

sides and I can't understand that.

564

:

I can't empathize with.

565

:

Younger generation because

I think, I think it's, it's,

566

:

it's important to start here.

567

:

I think we have to give them grace, right?

568

:

I think you, we have to approach

this from a, uh, an approach of

569

:

understanding and empathy, uh,

before we are quick to judge, right?

570

:

Because there's no fault of, to

their, there's no fault of theirs,

571

:

that they have been thrust into this

society that is insanely reliant

572

:

on technology in the society.

573

:

That where information is at

their fingertips and there's.

574

:

Are ways to make a money and make a

living in ways that they weren't before.

575

:

So we have to first understand that these

younger workers, well, they may not be as

576

:

technically savvy in certain areas, but

they are, they do know a little bit more

577

:

about, I guess you could say, no, they do.

578

:

They are a little bit more comfortable

speaking up about what they are

579

:

and are not comfortable doing.

580

:

And I think they're

more technically savvy.

581

:

Yeah.

582

:

I Than the older people.

583

:

Right.

584

:

Yeah, I would agree.

585

:

Just to be fair, right?

586

:

Agree.

587

:

Go with that.

588

:

I finish your thought.

589

:

Yeah, I would agree with that.

590

:

So I think it's important to just

to just lay that out there first

591

:

and understand that they have been,

they'd had an entirely different

592

:

upbringing than we have before.

593

:

We are quick to judge them, but I

think I can empathize with them because

594

:

there are moments and there are times

where we see things that are not right.

595

:

We know that they shouldn't be doing this.

596

:

We know that they're underpaid.

597

:

We know that they're overworked.

598

:

We know that they're undervalued, but.

599

:

So, so it's like I understand that.

600

:

I understand that.

601

:

So that, but that's almost

as far as it goes, right?

602

:

It's like I can understand how you

feel, however, you still need to do,

603

:

however, you still need to do that.

604

:

And that is where I think that the, my

father's values, my grandfather, sorry.

605

:

That is where I think my father's

values, my grandfather's values

606

:

have been instilled in me.

607

:

And those, that's when those

are active because discipline is

608

:

doing what you don't wanna do.

609

:

But do it like you love it, or doing

the things that need to be done when no

610

:

one's watching or doing the right thing.

611

:

These things are instilled in me,

and I think that that is why I can

612

:

empathize and understand with that

side, but I'm still going to, I'm

613

:

still gonna go this way, right?

614

:

I'm still, yes, I can be upset.

615

:

Yes, I can and, and think that

I shouldn't have to do this or I

616

:

shouldn't be doing this, or I'm

not valued, but I'm gonna do it.

617

:

So, to, so, so to answer

your question succinctly is.

618

:

The fact that they've been exposed to

a lot of things and I have as well,

619

:

lets, allows me to empathize with them.

620

:

But me personally, I'm

going to go the other.

621

:

Yeah, I think so number one, first

thing you said, I totally agree.

622

:

We, we are quick to judge.

623

:

I told you my grandmother,

you guys soft, right?

624

:

Mm-hmm.

625

:

And that was years ago.

626

:

Okay?

627

:

And we quick to always think our

generation is better than the rest.

628

:

Okay?

629

:

So that's human nature

and always will be there.

630

:

Um, the thing is, is this, is that, you

know, we have to be willing, so let me,

631

:

let's just lemme say it this way, you

know, progress is always, in other words,

632

:

pushing the envelope is always by newer,

the generation, the younger generation.

633

:

Okay.

634

:

And that's important.

635

:

It's no different.

636

:

When we went from the fifties to the

sixties, okay, where the fifties mentality

637

:

was, you know, God, country and whatever.

638

:

Somebody do you do, and you

wear your hair this way, and you

639

:

walk this way and you say this.

640

:

To the sixties where they were like,

forget that I'm gonna wear my hair long.

641

:

I'm gonna do this.

642

:

I'm pushing back on authority on our yard.

643

:

That's always been the case.

644

:

Mm-hmm.

645

:

And when we look back at now

when that was happening, they're

646

:

like, they're, they're insane.

647

:

They're, they're undisciplined,

they're, they lost their mind.

648

:

Right.

649

:

But then when we look back, no.

650

:

'cause they pushed us ahead.

651

:

They were seeing things

that we didn't see.

652

:

Because remember it is an old

saying, pigs don't know pig stink.

653

:

Right?

654

:

When you're in the Pigpen,

everything is normal.

655

:

They didn't, when you get out

the Pigpen, first thing you say

656

:

is, that's funky smell, right?

657

:

Mm-hmm.

658

:

So the bottom line is,

I'm all for, I get that.

659

:

Mm-hmm.

660

:

Right?

661

:

The challenge is, is that, and I wanna

ask you this question, being 30 being

662

:

you're saying, Hey man, I see both sides.

663

:

Mm-hmm.

664

:

Okay.

665

:

Here's the thing though.

666

:

Is that, talk a little bit

of why you see both sides.

667

:

Okay.

668

:

And then one of the things that

you chatted about me and you

669

:

talked a couple weeks ago and

you said about how adaptable you.

670

:

Mm-hmm.

671

:

Right?

672

:

So speak a little bit, when you

say adaptable, what does that mean?

673

:

Mm-hmm.

674

:

And then more importantly,

how can we bridge this us

675

:

versus them in the workforce?

676

:

And look at.

677

:

The strengths that each generation

brings and really try to,

678

:

uh, lean on those strengths.

679

:

Yeah.

680

:

Yeah.

681

:

So to answer the first question, uh,

again, um, how I can see both sides,

682

:

and I think it really just comes

down to me being exposed to both.

683

:

Right?

684

:

When I first graduated, uh, college,

I was working for the United States

685

:

Department of Justice, particularly

the United States Marshals.

686

:

So I was very much working

in an environment that was,

687

:

people were older than me.

688

:

I was the only young

person in the building.

689

:

I was 23 years old.

690

:

The next person closest to my age was

probably seven years older than me, was

691

:

probably around the age that I am now.

692

:

So being thrusted, being raised with

parents like that and being thrust

693

:

into that environment after straight

after college, taught me one way,

694

:

taught me, Hey, like you are working

with, uh, with police officers,

695

:

federal police officers at that who

are gonna need to do, are gonna do what

696

:

needs to be done point blank period.

697

:

Because they are the only

ones who are gonna do the job.

698

:

So that's how they approach

everything that they do.

699

:

That's what I was first exposed to.

700

:

Um, and then after that, you

know, going to a little bit more

701

:

elusive in environment, right?

702

:

The, the entertainment industry.

703

:

I'ma got a chance to see why other pe

I got a chance to see how the other

704

:

generation was acting or the people

who younger than me, the acting.

705

:

And I got to a chance to be in those

outside of the conference room at the

706

:

lunch table and hear their reasonings

behind why they felt the way that

707

:

they felt and get their side of

the, the, the, the ver the equation.

708

:

But you just said something that's key.

709

:

What's that?

710

:

Repeat what you just got.

711

:

Finish saying, you said you

were able to listen Yeah.

712

:

To what?

713

:

Their point of view.

714

:

Mm-hmm.

715

:

Yes.

716

:

Right.

717

:

I was able to listen objectively

because I'm not their manager.

718

:

I'm not their leader.

719

:

I, you know, I'm not

necessarily their peer either.

720

:

I'm just a little bit older and

maybe one position higher than them.

721

:

So, um, I, I, I, I, I listen from a source

of curiosity, like I said, and that, that

722

:

allowed me to empathize and understand

with them, because if you listen.

723

:

What they're asking for is not insane.

724

:

They're asking for maybe to be respected,

maybe to not be name called, maybe to not

725

:

be contacted after work hours, maybe to

um, maybe to have constructive criticism.

726

:

So a lot of the things that they're

asking for are not outside of the

727

:

realm of possibility or not insane.

728

:

And to answer your second question,

um, the second question was,

729

:

so you being adaptable, right?

730

:

And and me being adaptable.

731

:

I think that comes from straight up

how I was raised and me just the time

732

:

I think I was at the tail end of the

millennial generation where I was

733

:

exposed to a world that internet was,

yeah, you better go home and use Dialup

734

:

to, I can pull it out on my phone in

my college class and Google something.

735

:

Right?

736

:

So I very much had to

exist in both worlds where.

737

:

The internet is a thing is, doesn't

really exist yet, and I ended up

738

:

existed in a world where the internet

is everything, but, and you did too.

739

:

But I think what's important from what

makes my perspective unique is the

740

:

timeframe and how old I was going through

these transitions because I had to go

741

:

throughout high school in most of college

and all of my first jobs, they're, I mean,

742

:

yeah, we had phones, but I mean, they were

not used in the way that they were today.

743

:

They were used for phone

calls and maybe texts.

744

:

The texts then were two or three words.

745

:

You know, we weren't texting for

conversation and we were texting

746

:

for emergency almost really.

747

:

So I had to grow up in a world where

you don't have your phone to escape to

748

:

when you don't want to pay attention.

749

:

You don't have your phone to pull out

when you want to Google and answer.

750

:

You don't have chat GBT, you

don't have any of these things.

751

:

You have to go to the actual library

or you, I didn't have a laptop.

752

:

So I understand the older generation,

and I understand the youngers because.

753

:

I, I had, I was able to do both, right?

754

:

So that's, I think what makes

me really, really adaptable.

755

:

Um, and, and also just how I was raised.

756

:

You know, I, I was raised in a

household where there is no excuses.

757

:

This is no hold bar.

758

:

Like, I don't care how you feel.

759

:

You're going to school, you're

going to get your work done, you're

760

:

going to do this point blank period,

full stop, because I said so.

761

:

Right?

762

:

That's how I was raised.

763

:

Um, so that's what I really

think makes me adaptable and, um.

764

:

Secondly, working in a variety

of different industries.

765

:

I've sold cars for CarMax for years.

766

:

I've worked in retail, I've worked

for Nordstrom, I've worked for Yelp.

767

:

I have sold solar panels.

768

:

I have lead productions,

uh, for moose, short films,

769

:

commercials, branded, uh, content.

770

:

I have done a lot of different

things, so I think that is, that's

771

:

also what allows me to go in

any environment and listen more.

772

:

Talk second.

773

:

Always create value in it.

774

:

What do you think holds people back

from moving forward when it comes

775

:

to this conversation, this issue,

because again, we have these multiple

776

:

generations in the workforce.

777

:

They, they all individuals

bring a certain level of talent,

778

:

certain level of intellect.

779

:

It's, you know, again, you know.

780

:

You know, from a baby boom where I could

say, this is the way to do it, right?

781

:

Mm-hmm.

782

:

And then from a millennial or Gen Z,

they could say, well, wait a minute.

783

:

This is the way to do it.

784

:

And two things can be

right at the same time.

785

:

So what do you think holds people back

from being able to be open and learn from

786

:

this and be successful and move forward?

787

:

You know, that's a really good question.

788

:

Um, and I think that the answer really

comes down to, well, what do you in that.

789

:

Once you answer that, then I

think the, then I think you

790

:

can really answer the question.

791

:

Because if the answer is, say, you say

you're working, um, in a service industry

792

:

job, say you're a barista or a bartender

or waiter or what have you, and you're

793

:

frustrated with what's going on, before I

can give you any advice, before I can say

794

:

what the next best step is, is you have

to answer the question, what do you want?

795

:

Because if it, the answer is just,

Hey, I wanna pay my bills and I just

796

:

wanna make enough money to get by and

know that I'm gonna go to work tomorrow

797

:

and my boss isn't gonna fire me.

798

:

That's the answer, then yeah,

buddy, you are gonna have to do

799

:

some things that you don't want.

800

:

But if the answer is, Hey, I'm just here

until I can save enough money to do A

801

:

or B, or C or D, then I'm gonna have

a different piece of advice for you.

802

:

You know?

803

:

So that is really how I

would answer that question.

804

:

But at the end of the day, net

net, you're gonna have to do

805

:

things that you don't want to do in

order to be where you want to be.

806

:

Because if you continue to do the

things that you've always done, you will

807

:

continue to get the same results and

you will be where you always have been.

808

:

It really depends on what you want

out of life or what you want out of

809

:

that current job or that situation.

810

:

But I will tell you, but I,

but I will close with this,

811

:

you always have to do more than you think.

812

:

And that's just the reality.

813

:

And so when you say, you know, and,

and I love what you said, you know, you

814

:

gotta analyze what do you want and you

then, you know, based on what you want,

815

:

if you want the higher things, then you

gotta be willing to do what it takes.

816

:

Who are you talking to?

817

:

Are you talking to everybody?

818

:

Are you talking to a certain generation?

819

:

I think I'm talking to everybody.

820

:

I'm talking to everybody because, um, I

haven't been, you know, again, I'm only

821

:

30 and I can only go from the experience

that I have, that I have, that I have.

822

:

And as I keep going, I, I, I notice the

difference between people and I notice

823

:

how, and maybe it's less a generation

thing and maybe it's just a people thing.

824

:

And the reason I made it a generational

thing is because, I mean, we've

825

:

seen so many headlines over the past

couple of years about, oh, gen Z,

826

:

this, gen Z, that they're lazy, they

don't wanna work, they're entitled,

827

:

they're this or they're that.

828

:

But, but in the end, I really

just do think that it is in

829

:

you and it can be taught.

830

:

It can be learned.

831

:

Right.

832

:

Well, I think you said, you said

a few things, buddy, that you

833

:

know stood out and you said about

how your parents brought you.

834

:

Okay.

835

:

And how they set an expectation that

you were gonna have to work hard,

836

:

you had to do whatever it takes.

837

:

And that goes when you even

talked about school, a C wasn't,

838

:

um, you know, sat, they wasn't

satisfied with a C in your house.

839

:

You couldn't bring that.

840

:

Right.

841

:

And, you know, being able, having

that type of mindset to understand

842

:

that, you know, regardless of the

technology around you, you would

843

:

have to come in and work hard.

844

:

So, buddy, tell me a little bit

about Barbara Jean Productions.

845

:

Mm-hmm.

846

:

How you guys built it, you know, you

won a couple awards, you did a movie.

847

:

Talk to us a little bit about that.

848

:

Yeah, so Barber Dream Productions started

again about 10 years ago with my passion

849

:

with, um, acting, which happened in high

school, and my sister with filming music

850

:

videos with our cousins and what have you.

851

:

And I think that what made us successful

in the, in the small amount of work that

852

:

we were able to do was our emphasis on

storytelling, was our laser focus on what.

853

:

Is the audience thinking, what

do we want them to walk away

854

:

from this piece of content with?

855

:

Because they gave us their time, right?

856

:

Whether it's 15 minutes, 30 minutes, an

hour, whatever, we want to not really,

857

:

not really teach 'em something, but

we want to make them feel something.

858

:

So we put a lot of effort

into pre-production.

859

:

What are we trying to say?

860

:

Who are we trying to say it to?

861

:

Who is our demographic?

862

:

Is this gonna live?

863

:

How long is, do we want the

shelf life for this film to be?

864

:

Right?

865

:

And I think that a way that you can do

that a lot of way through storytelling

866

:

is having your character make decisions.

867

:

When they make decisions, that has a

lot to do with who they are, right?

868

:

Or showing, not telling, right?

869

:

Instead of saying, Hey, remember

when we used to do this?

870

:

Why don't you show?

871

:

Maybe you can show a flashback of them.

872

:

Maybe you can show a picture within

the house of them at the beach

873

:

instead of them telling you, Hey,

we used to go to the beach, right?

874

:

Those are small things that you can do.

875

:

And then lastly is giving

your audience more credit.

876

:

The audience oftentimes is a lot

smarter than we think, so you don't

877

:

have to spoon feed them information.

878

:

You can let them figure

out things in their own.

879

:

And I think when you do that, you'll

be surprised at the, the reaction

880

:

that you get from the audience.

881

:

Got it, got it, got it.

882

:

So you seem like you

really enjoy this moment.

883

:

Right?

884

:

So give me a little bit in terms of

like what was the best movie that you've

885

:

seen that the story resonated with?

886

:

It didn't leave you.

887

:

And then from there, what lessons

did you learn from that and how

888

:

do you apply moving forward?

889

:

Man, that's a tough question.

890

:

I always struggle when I'm, uh, when

I'm asked what, uh, my favorite movie

891

:

is or what the most powerful movie is

I watched, and I guess off the top of

892

:

my head, I would probably have to say

893

:

I don't.

894

:

I don't have one movie or one mo,

one movie that I can point to.

895

:

But I think that a lot of the ones that

come to mind are movies that I watched

896

:

in my childhood, because those movies I

think are timeless because they teach you

897

:

the, they teach you the values and morals

of just being a good person, doing the

898

:

right thing, making the right decisions.

899

:

So I can't really answer what

the best movie or the uh, is or

900

:

what moved me the most, you know?

901

:

Why Tony?

902

:

Because I'm gonna make that movie.

903

:

I.

904

:

I'm gonna make that movie.

905

:

Oh, I get, well look and I get

that right because like you, I

906

:

like so many different movies.

907

:

I enjoy them.

908

:

They all speak to me.

909

:

I was just, reason I asked the

question is because, you know, you

910

:

talked about the different ways or

the different components to a story.

911

:

About the audience smarter than

you think and the whole nine yards.

912

:

And you know, one of the things that

always, when I know I watched something

913

:

really good and I saw a good story mm-hmm.

914

:

It didn't leave me, I would think

about it even when I went to bed

915

:

that night, I would think about that

story when I woke up the next day.

916

:

Think about that.

917

:

Right.

918

:

And even if it wasn't, um,

something in my wheelhouse,

919

:

just in terms of the characters.

920

:

What happened in the story.

921

:

Right.

922

:

So that's why I was asking you the

question because, and you tell me

923

:

one of the stories about making

that emotional connection, correct?

924

:

Mm-hmm.

925

:

Right.

926

:

A hundred percent.

927

:

And trying to garner, make people

feel that they're in the movie or

928

:

they feel the pain or the exuberance

of what the character is going.

929

:

Talk a little bit about the

movie that you guys made.

930

:

Um.

931

:

That, you know, you won

an award with, right?

932

:

Mm-hmm.

933

:

You talk, talk a little bit about that.

934

:

Yeah, sure.

935

:

So the first movie that I had

actually written alongside my

936

:

sister was called The Fruited Bears.

937

:

And it was a love story about, um, a

young 25-year-old couple in New York City.

938

:

And really the, the crux of the

story was the, the gentleman in the

939

:

story felt as though that, Hey, we

can't be who we need to be together.

940

:

I can't be who I want to be and

need to be and neither can you.

941

:

And he had convinced himself of that and

blamed it on the other person as opposed

942

:

to taking a look inside and saying,

okay, well what can't, what can't I do?

943

:

As opposed to, what can't I do?

944

:

And I think what made that movie

successful was our goal was to.

945

:

Pull at the heartstrings, right?

946

:

So people often ask me, Hey, so

this is, this is your story, right?

947

:

This is, this is, this

is your breakup story.

948

:

And I'm like, no, this is your story.

949

:

This is my mother's story.

950

:

This is my father's story.

951

:

This is my sister's story.

952

:

So how we like to write characters is

we'll, we'll, we'll take one and say,

953

:

okay, this is where we want to go, right?

954

:

But when I said earlier that we like to

break the rules, this is what I mean.

955

:

Because this character,

this is a fictional story.

956

:

You're allowed to pull from

wherever you need to pull to

957

:

tell a compelling narrative.

958

:

Right?

959

:

So I pull from everybody in my life.

960

:

I pull from every movie that I've ever

seen to bring together this character

961

:

that is a full fledged, fully functioning

person that you can relate to.

962

:

Right?

963

:

Right.

964

:

And, um, that's how I think that we do it.

965

:

And, uh, we with the goal of, like

I said, you walking away from the

966

:

theater and you, you said the, the

stories that stick with you have

967

:

you asking this, I think that that.

968

:

We had that in our mind when we

wrote it and when we made it.

969

:

And I think that is what made us

successful because everybody could

970

:

see themselves in that story.

971

:

Whether you are eight, I remember saying

this to my production team, Hey, whether

972

:

you are eight or 80, I don't care when

you watch this movie, you are going to

973

:

take something away from it with you.

974

:

And we have that goal with every

piece of content that we make, and I

975

:

think that that is a real difference.

976

:

What separates Barbara Jean

production from everybody.

977

:

What separates us is our mission

to motivate, educate, and inspire.

978

:

No matter what we're doing, whether

it's a corporate event, whether it's

979

:

for an event, for a charter school,

or whether we're doing branded content

980

:

or whether we're doing a short film.

981

:

The work that we take on is always

mission driven and we want to.

982

:

Visually show people and make them

feel something, even if it's just a

983

:

commercial or even if it's just a product.

984

:

Right?

985

:

Um, so what sets us apart is you're always

going to, we're always gonna go above

986

:

and beyond for you, for our clients.

987

:

And what we understand is we are

doing work for our clients and we

988

:

are doing what our client wants.

989

:

We are delivering what you want.

990

:

We're not putting, we're not, and this is,

it goes back to giving them more credit.

991

:

The client knows what they want,

they knows what works for them.

992

:

They know what they want to do.

993

:

If they asked you for your

creative direction, we're

994

:

more than happy to provide it.

995

:

What we're gonna do is we're gonna

show up, we're gonna show up on time,

996

:

we're gonna be respectful, and we're

gonna give you a quality product.

997

:

We're gonna under promise

and we're gonna overdeliver.

998

:

Mm-hmm.

999

:

And guess what?

:

00:43:55,575 --> 00:43:57,194

You got a brother and sister duo.

:

00:43:57,540 --> 00:44:00,900

What company, what production company

you can hire, where a brother and sister

:

00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:05,610

show up on set, ready to deliver your,

uh, delivering a line on your vision.

:

00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,259

That's what makes us different.

:

00:44:07,410 --> 00:44:08,520

That is awesome, my man.

:

00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,630

So talk to us a little bit about what's

in store for the future, for the future.

:

00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:15,090

So we see Scaling Barber Jean Productions.

:

00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:19,110

Our goal is to always make

a feature length film.

:

00:44:19,110 --> 00:44:22,860

We got very close to doing it, um,

with BET, uh, during the film strike,

:

00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:24,480

but unfortunately that didn't happen.

:

00:44:24,810 --> 00:44:25,259

But.

:

00:44:25,785 --> 00:44:28,365

We want to be a full

fledged production company.

:

00:44:28,365 --> 00:44:31,665

I always pictured myself being

the, the executive with the suit on

:

00:44:31,665 --> 00:44:33,225

going in and getting the deal done.

:

00:44:33,405 --> 00:44:35,985

Now, that can still happen

and we want to do this on the,

:

00:44:35,985 --> 00:44:37,155

on the production standpoint.

:

00:44:37,155 --> 00:44:39,225

So full service, end-to-end production.

:

00:44:39,225 --> 00:44:42,375

Whether you wanna start a podcast, you

wanna produce it, you need, need copy

:

00:44:42,375 --> 00:44:45,615

for it, you need an editor for it, or

you want to go do a feature links film,

:

00:44:45,645 --> 00:44:48,550

or you just want to do a photo shoot, or

maybe you wanna do some branded content.

:

00:44:49,185 --> 00:44:51,825

That is ultimately the goal and

that is what we're going to do.

:

00:44:51,825 --> 00:44:55,995

We have a goal of $500,000 this

year and um, I think we are

:

00:44:55,995 --> 00:44:57,255

well on our way to doing that.

:

00:44:57,495 --> 00:44:58,455

That is awesome buddy.

:

00:44:58,515 --> 00:44:58,725

Yeah.

:

00:44:58,755 --> 00:45:00,105

So any upcoming movies?

:

00:45:00,105 --> 00:45:00,405

Anything?

:

00:45:00,555 --> 00:45:03,705

Yes, we have another movie upcoming and

it's called, I Deleted the App and yeah,

:

00:45:03,705 --> 00:45:05,025

I think you're gonna like this one.

:

00:45:05,355 --> 00:45:09,675

It is about, um, you know, it is kind

of a reality now, but it's about like.

:

00:45:10,035 --> 00:45:12,615

If they had a detox center,

but in real life, right.

:

00:45:12,615 --> 00:45:14,654

So say Tony, say you're

addicted to a detox center.

:

00:45:14,654 --> 00:45:15,075

For what?

:

00:45:15,075 --> 00:45:15,464

Go ahead.

:

00:45:15,525 --> 00:45:16,160

For, for, yeah.

:

00:45:16,165 --> 00:45:16,305

Yeah.

:

00:45:16,305 --> 00:45:18,495

So, so say you're addicted

to, I don't know, Dr.

:

00:45:18,495 --> 00:45:22,904

Pimple Popper or you're addicted

to, to, to car videos, right.

:

00:45:23,234 --> 00:45:25,995

And you got somebody, you say, Hey

Tony, look man, like you spend a lot

:

00:45:25,995 --> 00:45:29,865

of time on that Dagg on phone, and I

think that we need to get you some help.

:

00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:35,250

So you go to this AA style, uh, detox

center, but it's for digital media or

:

00:45:35,250 --> 00:45:36,750

what have you, or, or social media.

:

00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:39,360

And you are gonna sit in a little

circle and then they're gonna encourage

:

00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,090

you to go, I don't know, touch

some grass or maybe, maybe go for a

:

00:45:42,090 --> 00:45:44,160

walk or maybe read a book instead.

:

00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:44,520

You know?

:

00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,850

So it's very silly, you know, we're trying

to make fun of ourselves, but it also is

:

00:45:47,850 --> 00:45:51,900

sending a message like, Hey guys, a lot

of fulfillment you can come out of life is

:

00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:53,580

not gonna come in this black box, right?

:

00:45:53,940 --> 00:45:54,720

No, no question.

:

00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:58,380

And look, I can imagine, you

know, when you said the title, you

:

00:45:58,740 --> 00:46:02,700

initially everybody or immediately

everybody would be like, oh,

:

00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:04,200

that must be for younger people.

:

00:46:04,380 --> 00:46:05,160

You kidding me?

:

00:46:05,370 --> 00:46:05,610

Right.

:

00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:08,611

There's older people that's

addicted to TikTok or Facebook.

:

00:46:08,611 --> 00:46:08,612

Mm-hmm.

:

00:46:08,618 --> 00:46:09,450

Or whoever the case may be.

:

00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:09,900

Right.

:

00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:12,000

So I can't wait for that to come out.

:

00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,830

When, when will that launch my brother?

:

00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:14,070

Yeah.

:

00:46:14,070 --> 00:46:16,410

I think we can expect to see

that in, uh, mid to late spring.

:

00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:16,860

Okay.

:

00:46:16,860 --> 00:46:19,590

So before June, but not before

April, I can tell you that.

:

00:46:19,590 --> 00:46:21,660

So probably a mid to late April.

:

00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,630

To, uh, uh, late May.

:

00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:26,330

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:

00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:42,360

Okay.

:

00:46:42,420 --> 00:46:44,430

Well we're looking forward

to when that comes out.

:

00:46:44,430 --> 00:46:46,860

We'd love to have you come

back on and share it with us.

:

00:46:46,890 --> 00:46:47,279

Oh, I'd love to.

:

00:46:47,279 --> 00:46:49,230

Right, because that sounds intriguing.

:

00:46:49,590 --> 00:46:51,509

Look, my man, I gotta

give you a lot of credit.

:

00:46:51,570 --> 00:46:54,600

You know, for young brother,

you got your head on right?

:

00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,390

Your parents did a fantastic

job bringing you up.

:

00:46:57,750 --> 00:47:00,060

More importantly, you and

your, I met your sister.

:

00:47:00,390 --> 00:47:03,930

You guys were very receptive of it

because the way you carry yourself.

:

00:47:04,235 --> 00:47:05,825

That foundation is there.

:

00:47:06,125 --> 00:47:09,725

Um, and so I, you, you said

you have a goal of 500,000.

:

00:47:09,995 --> 00:47:13,475

I don't, I, I, there's no question

you guys are gonna hit that more.

:

00:47:13,475 --> 00:47:17,405

You guys are just touching this,

scratching the surface of your greatness.

:

00:47:17,410 --> 00:47:17,610

Appreciate that.

:

00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:22,235

So we really appreciate you coming

on a block executive perspective.

:

00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:27,710

gonna be doing more things in:

together, so I'm excited about that.

:

00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:31,010

And tapping into that storytelling

realm that you and Barbara

:

00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:32,090

Jean productions bring.

:

00:47:32,090 --> 00:47:33,530

So, final thoughts, my brother.

:

00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:34,760

What do you wanna leave the audience?

:

00:47:35,279 --> 00:47:38,970

Well, what I wanna leave the audience

with is, is, is a couple of things.

:

00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:43,830

And the first thing is if I is, if I

can encourage you all to be solution

:

00:47:43,860 --> 00:47:47,279

oriented, I don't care how old you

are, I don't care if that's with

:

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your workforce, if that's with your

relationship with your family members,

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maybe it's a romantic relationship.

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Relationship.

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I encourage you to be

solution oriented because.

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As I enter, you know, sort of middle

management, you know, sort of getting

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towards the 10 year mark of, of

work experience and even experience

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with my production company too.

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'cause I've had the, the, the

luxury of leading a team of 10, 20,

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00:48:06,895 --> 00:48:08,525

30 people on a production shoot.

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I've had the luxury of leading

a team in the workforce also.

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So I'm exposed now more than ever, 10.

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00:48:14,885 --> 00:48:17,915

The people who stand out the most

to me are the people who come

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00:48:17,915 --> 00:48:21,245

to me and they don't say, Hey

Rodney, the coffee mug broke.

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00:48:22,005 --> 00:48:23,025

And then just stop talking.

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You know what I mean?

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Like as a leader, you know this, everyone

comes to you with problems, but the

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ones that have earned your trust and

the ones that you love, respect the most

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as far as this getting something done.

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00:48:35,595 --> 00:48:38,655

It's the ones that come to you and they

say, Hey, Tony, here's what happened.

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Here's what I suggest we do about it.

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00:48:40,305 --> 00:48:40,845

Here's why.

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Here's the potential implications

of what were suggestions.

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Here's the ramifications,

here's the risks.

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What do you think?

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Right?

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And you tell me what to prioritize, right?

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That is the person that you, I'm sure,

that you'd like to work with, right?

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00:48:52,065 --> 00:48:55,125

And the second thing that I would say

is, is life doesn't happen on the couch.

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00:48:55,785 --> 00:48:59,865

I don't care how many emails you

send, how many Zoom calls you attend.

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Yes, networking is important.

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00:49:01,485 --> 00:49:02,325

All of that is important.

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00:49:02,325 --> 00:49:06,195

I'm sure you got a lot of stuff

scratched off your task list,

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but at the end of the day.

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First impressions matter.

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A lot of those happen in real life.

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00:49:12,525 --> 00:49:14,805

A lot of the people who are gonna

change your life are people who you

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are gonna meet in person because

there is no energy exchanged through

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00:49:17,835 --> 00:49:19,395

that keyboard or through that screen.

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00:49:19,485 --> 00:49:19,845

Right?

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00:49:20,355 --> 00:49:23,115

Um, and I think, I wish that somebody

had told me that, uh, a while

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00:49:23,115 --> 00:49:26,775

ago because, um, you know, some,

sometimes you're just comfortable,

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00:49:26,775 --> 00:49:28,005

man, you know you're going to work.

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00:49:28,005 --> 00:49:28,905

You're in a routine.

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00:49:29,175 --> 00:49:31,305

You don't wanna go to that dinner,

you don't wanna go to that conference,

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00:49:31,305 --> 00:49:32,415

you don't wanna go to that seminar.

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00:49:32,415 --> 00:49:33,615

You don't wanna go to that mixer.

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00:49:33,615 --> 00:49:35,100

You don't wanna go to

that networking event.

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00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,980

So, especially when you're an

entrepreneur, especially if you're

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00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:40,770

in the creative field, if you're

trying to grow your career, man,

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00:49:40,770 --> 00:49:41,970

life does not happen on the couch.

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00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,960

And lastly, I would just say,

just knew the next best thing.

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00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,150

You don't have to have it all planned out.

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00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:51,330

I think oftentimes a lot of

people get caught up in having

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00:49:51,330 --> 00:49:52,620

everything planned and mapped out.

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00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:54,990

Everything needs to be my

t's need to be crossing them.

:

00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:58,380

My, I need to be doted for me to

launch, but life does not work that way.

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00:49:58,785 --> 00:50:01,605

Sometimes you just have to throw

yourself out to the universe and

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00:50:01,605 --> 00:50:02,835

build the plane as you fly it.

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00:50:03,105 --> 00:50:07,965

And I always say, life opens up

when you do, and the best things in

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00:50:07,965 --> 00:50:09,705

life are on the other side of fear.

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00:50:10,305 --> 00:50:13,665

This may sound cliche, this may

sound corny, but really just sit

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00:50:13,665 --> 00:50:15,825

down and think about some of the

things that you really want to do.

:

00:50:15,825 --> 00:50:18,315

Sit at the edge of your bed

one day and think about.

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00:50:19,125 --> 00:50:19,935

What am I doing?

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00:50:19,935 --> 00:50:21,165

What do I really want to do?

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00:50:21,225 --> 00:50:24,345

And I guarantee you some of those

cliches that I just said, you are

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00:50:24,345 --> 00:50:25,665

gonna be running them in your mind.

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00:50:25,845 --> 00:50:27,975

And I promise you, you're gonna

come up with some answers, buddy.

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00:50:27,975 --> 00:50:29,025

It is so true.

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00:50:29,025 --> 00:50:31,095

And those are great final

thoughts, my brother.

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00:50:31,395 --> 00:50:32,265

So thank you, man.

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00:50:32,265 --> 00:50:33,884

So, final question I have for you.

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00:50:33,884 --> 00:50:35,384

How can BEP help.

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00:50:35,665 --> 00:50:36,295

You, my brother.

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00:50:36,475 --> 00:50:37,315

I'm glad you asked.

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00:50:37,375 --> 00:50:39,654

How you can help is

continuing to do this right?

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00:50:39,895 --> 00:50:43,315

Because I know that we're in

:

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00:50:43,315 --> 00:50:46,645

conversation going on about whether

these conversations need to still be

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00:50:46,645 --> 00:50:48,685

going, but the answer is yes, they do.

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00:50:48,685 --> 00:50:52,075

Because we're here to have uncomfortable

conversations that can be about anything

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00:50:52,345 --> 00:50:54,174

and that never needs to go away.

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00:50:54,174 --> 00:50:56,545

So I would encourage you guys

to keep doing what you're doing

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00:50:56,575 --> 00:50:58,045

and I wanna see you on the road.

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00:50:58,045 --> 00:50:59,395

I wanna see you at conferences.

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00:50:59,545 --> 00:51:00,805

I wanna see you at live events.

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00:51:01,015 --> 00:51:01,975

I wanna see people.

:

00:51:02,505 --> 00:51:06,045

Stumbling upon your podcast in person

and say, Hey, I'd love to come on

:

00:51:06,045 --> 00:51:07,185

here and share something with you.

:

00:51:07,634 --> 00:51:08,565

That's what I wanna see.

:

00:51:08,565 --> 00:51:10,515

And I wanted to, I would love

to see this platform grow.

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00:51:10,575 --> 00:51:14,025

I wanna see weekly segments

because I think that it is

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00:51:14,025 --> 00:51:15,735

important now more than ever.

:

00:51:16,005 --> 00:51:19,695

We're past the George Floyd economy,

we're past:

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00:51:20,175 --> 00:51:23,025

These conversations need to

keep going and, um, I think

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00:51:23,025 --> 00:51:24,165

this is a perfect place forward.

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00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,120

I think you guys are doing great

and I would love to see us get on

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00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,560

the road and explain the platform.

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00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:31,080

Well, thank you my brother

and challenge accepted.

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00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,430

We appreciate that.

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00:51:32,430 --> 00:51:33,509

We're gonna make it happen.

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00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:35,069

We loved you today.

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00:51:35,069 --> 00:51:39,990

Your energy, your intellect, your

maturity, your leadership, creativity.

:

00:51:40,540 --> 00:51:43,570

It's all been shown here today

on this episode of a Black

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00:51:43,570 --> 00:51:45,100

Executive perspective podcast.

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00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,700

So buddy, we can't wait to continue to

engage with you throughout the rest of

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00:51:48,700 --> 00:51:52,690

the year, and we're gonna ask you to stay

put right now because we're gonna have you

:

00:51:52,690 --> 00:51:54,460

have you help us with our call to action.

:

00:51:54,700 --> 00:52:00,970

So I think it's now time for Tony's

tidbit, and so the tidbit today

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00:52:00,970 --> 00:52:03,850

is generations don't divide us.

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00:52:04,450 --> 00:52:09,940

Perspective does when we listen,

learn and lead with purpose.

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00:52:10,485 --> 00:52:15,375

We open our mind and create

endless opportunities, and

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00:52:15,375 --> 00:52:16,845

you heard a lot of that.

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00:52:17,205 --> 00:52:19,095

From Rodney Brown, Jr.

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00:52:19,274 --> 00:52:21,134

So want a quick little reminder?

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00:52:21,134 --> 00:52:25,274

Don't forget to check out every Thursday

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:

00:52:25,605 --> 00:52:26,834

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:

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Dinger Burton.

:

00:52:27,915 --> 00:52:28,260

Dr.

:

00:52:28,260 --> 00:52:33,075

Burton dives into the timely and crucial

topics that happen on a daily basis

:

00:52:33,075 --> 00:52:35,895

that you don't have time to delve into.

:

00:52:36,044 --> 00:52:41,865

So she brings all the fire and the energy

and what you need to know to move forward.

:

00:52:41,865 --> 00:52:43,484

So need to know by Dr.

:

00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:44,355

Na Burton.

:

00:52:44,820 --> 00:52:47,910

Every Thursday on a Black

Executive Perspective podcast.

:

00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:53,070

And don't forget to check out, pull up,

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00:52:53,070 --> 00:52:57,570

and talk about the crucial topics, the

everyday things that's happening, and

:

00:52:57,570 --> 00:53:02,460

it's a place where all voices matter

perspectives are gained, and more

:

00:53:02,460 --> 00:53:04,680

importantly, a revolution is going on.

:

00:53:04,860 --> 00:53:10,440

So make sure you check out, pull up,

speak up now as our people who watch

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a black executive perspective podcast.

:

00:53:12,865 --> 00:53:18,265

As you know, our goal, our mission,

is to decrease all forms of racism.

:

00:53:18,810 --> 00:53:24,180

Way we do that is with the

acronym, we call it less LESS.

:

00:53:24,330 --> 00:53:28,080

Our brother here, the co-founder

of Barbara Jean Productions,

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00:53:28,290 --> 00:53:31,590

Rodney Brown Jr's gonna help

us with our call to action.

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00:53:31,590 --> 00:53:32,460

Rodney, kick us off.

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00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:32,910

My brother.

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00:53:32,940 --> 00:53:33,390

Yes sir.

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00:53:33,390 --> 00:53:33,900

Yes sir.

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00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:36,870

So for less, the first L and

lessons gonna stand for learned.

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00:53:37,290 --> 00:53:40,529

Educate yourself on racial

and cultural nuances.

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00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:41,490

Absolutely.

:

00:53:41,490 --> 00:53:44,580

And then after you've learned

and you've enlightened yourself,

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00:53:44,819 --> 00:53:46,830

the next letter stands for E.

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00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,370

Which is empathy.

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00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,819

Now since you understand more about

what your brothers and sisters are

:

00:53:51,819 --> 00:53:56,230

going through now, you can be more

empathetic to their problems and

:

00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:59,740

situations since you put yourself

in their point in their shoes.

:

00:54:00,819 --> 00:54:03,430

In the next S stands for share.

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00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:05,710

Share your insights to enlighten others.

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00:54:06,165 --> 00:54:06,915

Absolutely.

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00:54:06,915 --> 00:54:09,944

And then after you share

the final S stands to stop.

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00:54:10,544 --> 00:54:14,865

You want to, we want to all stop

discrimination as it walks in our path.

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00:54:15,165 --> 00:54:19,065

So if Aunt Jenny says something

at the Sunday dinner table that's

:

00:54:19,065 --> 00:54:22,725

inappropriate, you say, aunt

Jenny, we don't believe that.

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00:54:22,935 --> 00:54:24,015

We don't say that.

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00:54:24,050 --> 00:54:25,970

And you stop it right there.

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00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:31,040

So if everyone can incorporate

less, LESS will build a more

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00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,620

fairer, more understanding world.

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00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:38,150

And the key is we all will be able

to see the change that we want to

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00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:41,240

see because less will become more.

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00:54:41,780 --> 00:54:45,320

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