In this unfiltered conversation, Sophie and I dive headfirst into the messy realities of modern mental health, the tangled complexities of dating, and the seismic societal shifts, like OnlyFans, promiscuity, and fading monogamy, shaping today’s generation. We peel back the layers of self-objectification, emotional detachment in relationships, and the psychological fallout of a hookup culture that’s blurring the lines of connection. Sharing our own unvarnished experiences, we tackle heavy hitters like anxiety, depression, and the nerve-wracking journey of coming off antidepressants.

We dig into fascinating psychological quirks—like why young women are magnetically drawn to narcissistic, dark tetrad traits (Machiavellian, sadistic, psychopathic)—and how these patterns fuel dating chaos. Are societal norms breaking down, or are we just rewriting them at our own peril? We don’t shy away from the big questions: Is emotional detachment in relationships sustainable? Does self-objectification empower or erode us? And why are Gen Z’s mental health struggles hitting harder than ever?

The debate intensifies as we clash over tried-and-tested mental health strategies. Breathing exercises, meditation, the 5-4-3-2-1 method, and therapy—we’ve tried it all, but our wildly different approaches prove that one size doesn’t fit all. From panic attack hacks to the guilt of leaning on friends, we unpack what works, what flops, and why. Additionally, we explore the unexpected silver linings of breakups and the importance of owning your mental journey.

Takeaways:

• Engaging in discussions surrounding mental health promotes a sense of visibility and understanding among individuals.
• It is imperative to acknowledge that each person's struggle with mental health is unique and cannot be generalized.
• The importance of a stable routine is paramount in alleviating anxiety and fostering a sense of security.
• Young people face significant challenges in accessing appropriate mental health support, which often fails to cater to their specific needs.
• Social media continues to exert a pervasive influence on the mental health of young individuals, often exacerbating feelings of inadequacy.
• The journey towards understanding and managing mental health can benefit from open dialogue and the recognition that empathy is a vital component.

Why did you say yes to speaking with me?

It's a bit of a long story.

So I, I love when people talk about mental health because it makes other people feel seen.

But I feel like there's a certain amount of people that just like, run straight over the actual point of, like, talking about it.

And they say, like, oh, I'm sad, which is great, but, but also there are so many other emotions to it and I feel like no one actually talks about it in that way.

And being quite young and dealing with it and having a lot of friends that are also dealing with similar mental health issues, I feel like I can see quite a lot of people and understand them.

So that's one of the things I was interested in asking you about, actually.

If you're seeing any patterns among, like, people, like, you're, you're a bit younger than me, not that much younger than me, but if you're seeing any patterns in, like, girls your age of, like, what's cropping up and what, what's going on at the moment.

So when you say you've got friends that are struggling with it, what.

Well, let, let's do your story.

So you, when did your mental health.

Because I don't like patterns.

Okay, well, we'll do that then.

Do that.

I, I don't like, like, patterns.

I don't think anyone is exactly the same as the other.

Like, yes, someone might have depression and the other person might have depression, but they're not the same.

Like, one person might have it from something really traumatizing in their life and someone else might just have it and was born with it.

Like, they're so different and nobody fully understands.

They might understand the feeling of, like, depression and depressive episodes and stuff, but they will never fully understand your situation because everyone is so different and everyone deals with it so differently.

So I don't, I don't like talking about patterns because I don't think it's helpful.

And for someone that's in the situation.

Well, has been in the situation, when someone says, I know what you're going through, it really pissed me off at the time because I was like, you actually really don't know.

But they, but you understand that obviously they're trying to say that in a, in a helpful way.

Like, they're trying to create an environment where you feel aligned.

So maybe if they don't understand specifically what you're going through, they.

Because as, as you said, like, every person's story and situation is individual to them and that's obviously going to be that's the case in every single person that's ever existed.

Different to in many ways and some similarities.

So to walk, what was my question was.

So you don't like the word patterns?

Okay, well, what can I, can I get around the word without using the word patterns?

Not really, no.

Okay, so that will go on you then as an individual then.

So what, what is it that you, you were struggling with?

So I've had the first sign of mental health issues I had was separation anxiety from my mom.

And don't get me wrong, I still have it.

It's just not as severe.

And that grew into more social anxiety and then that also grew into depression.

And how, how young were you when you were.

Because I, I, I have a sort of, somewhat of a similar background.

The reason why I set up the podcast was because I had a lot of mental health difficulties growing up and I wanted to speak to people that had other sort of experiences in it and, and share sort of insights.

So I think separation anxiety is pretty common among, amongst young people.

Why do you think it transmuted into social anxiety?

I got bullied for it.

So every time I went to school and my mum left me to go to work or to go and drop off my sister at a different school, I would cry because I didn't want her to leave me because I didn't feel safe without her.

And I would get bullied by the other kids for constantly crying, basically because I missed her.

But that just evolved into social anxiety and I didn't really want to be around people for that long or just too many people.

And then how old are you when that was going on?

Well, when I first started going to school, so reception to about year five or six, I was crying every day when my mum left me.

And the anxiety I still have, but much different, different level than it was.

Okay, And I suppose 20, that's, I remember 20 being quite a pivotal age for me.

It was only a few years ago, but I feel like 20 is like the ad really.

You should be considered an adult when you're 20, not when you're 18.

In my opinion, 18's a bit young.

Okay, so let's talk about some of these questions I've got going down.

One of the videos I did see you talking about is you were, you were upset, you were crying about something.

But the, and that's obviously not ideal, but the bit at the beginning that I thought was interesting was you said something along the lines of like, having a stable routine.

So I'm interested in like, has Having a bit more of a stable routine.

Because on the, when we spoke on the phone, you said that you'd, you'd got a job doing.

You were doing something with a.

Yeah, sales.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So how's that, how's that going?

Amazing.

I love it.

Do you not one day is the same as the other.

Oh, that's good.

Yeah, yeah, that's a good reason.

And what, what does that involve?

Like, where do you go?

So I field sales, so I drive around the area going into independently owned businesses and I basically tell them why they should buy what I'm selling, pretty much.

And I bet you get a pretty good reaction.

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's an easy product to sell, so.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What's the product, really?

I don't think it's a good idea to share that on the Internet.

I don't know their policies on it.

Oh, okay, fair enough.

So was there, was there a point when you were like, really struggling with mental health, like in early adulthood, or was it only just childhood when you were struggling with, with anxiety?

So the worst time was 14 to 18.

Yeah, that makes sense.

And that's obviously when you're going through puberty and all and all those changes are happening and like the world's just completely changing and your place in the world is changing.

So that, that makes sense.

Did, did it get worse at that.

Did it get significantly worse at that point or was it just a bit worse?

Significantly worse.

That's when I got depression.

Okay.

Wow.

God, that is.

What's your opinion on the fact that so many young people now are getting.

Not even in, like young adults, like children and proper, proper young people are getting depression.

Why do you think that's happening?

I don't, I'm not gonna lie.

I don't care why it's happening.

I just don't think it should be happening.

And it's what we're doing about it that is gonna make the difference.

Because the world we live in, the world we live in at the moment, we don't have the correct support for younger people, including, like children.

We don't have the correct support for them.

We have support for adults or late teenagers, but we don't have the support for younger people.

How would you, how do you think we should support younger people better?

Any ideas?

I have a few, but I'm not ready to share them.

Okay.

Are they quite radical?

They're not radical, but I might act on them.

And I don't want anyone steam.

They're just half baked.

Yes.

Okay, so what.

Let me have a look at my.

I've got a bad question, but I don't.

Yeah, bad question.

Well, yeah, bad questions are good.

Okay, so how do you feel like you've reached a bit of a turning point.

Do you feel like in your life is a bit more stable?

Massively.

And that is because you seem like quite a well put together individual just by talking to you for these last 10 minutes.

So where's that come from?

Well, I've had to mature very quickly through my teenage years and coming out of college and realizing that I need to do something with my life because I never wanted to go to uni.

I was never good with academics, I never liked school, so I realized I needed to do something.

And then when I got the job that I'm in at the moment, it really helped because I didn't have the same routine every day, work routine, but I could keep my home routine the same every day.

And that was just the stability of knowing that I was waking up doing this, doing that, going to work, doing whatever in work because they make it for me, and then coming home doing the same, roughly the same thing every night.

It just completely eased my mind from any sort of bad, negative thoughts.

Yeah.

Going back to one of the things you just said a minute ago about how we support young people and children, we underestimate just how important routine is for children and how they need way more emotional regulation than we give them credit for.

And we understand.

And routine does that massively.

So, yeah, that, that makes sense that you're finding routine because we'll, we'll find routine.

But what's important, the sort of nuances behind that is as much as your life is obviously structured and there's routine to it, as you said earlier, every day is different.

So it's a balance between sort of novelty and newness and then.

But then also consistent routine.

That's.

Maybe that's one of the reasons why you're.

You're finding your job interesting.

How has social media been a.

Been an asset to you?

And why.

Why did you start sort of moving?

I know your content isn't entirely.

There's a lot of lip singing.

Yeah.

What's that new song that I keep seeing you doing?

It's quite good, actually.

It's so cute.

Gracie Abrams.

No, it's not that one.

That's the other one.

Yeah, that's the other one.

That's a good song.

I quite like it, all these songs, but I didn't realize the that's so true bit the Bit that you see going around on TikTok is only.

Only occurs once.

So obviously the way that these songs are being written is just write a TikTok clip that's going to go viral on TikTok and then just not at all.

What do you mean?

Lyricists don't write things for TikTok.

They write it as a bridge and then the bridge goes viral.

So Gracie Abrams wrote that song as that bit that you hear once in the song.

As a bridge in the song, but not for TikTok.

I don't think any person in their right mind would make a song just for it to go viral on TikTok.

Who would do that?

I don't know.

I disagree.

I think they definitely would.

I, I think there would be.

I think there would be A and R people going, we need to get the TikTok.

That's our best way of going viral.

Yeah.

So we need to write something that caters for the TikTok.

Now how you define something that caters for TikTok is a different question because I don't know how you would put.

How you would quantify that, but they definitely put that.

I'm pretty sure it's going to be a factor.

But they don't write a song purely for the fact that it might blow up on TikTok.

No, I get.

I guess not.

But.

But it is a factor.

Just in an egg type situation.

But yeah.

Anyway, so how, how do you think how social media helped you and not helped you as well?

What, what's your opinion of social media as a.

Because it's sort of a.

I think about this quite a lot.

A few years ago there was a very strong pull away from social media and people were.

It got.

It had quite a negative reputation.

People were saying, oh, it's false, it's not real, it's damaging, et cetera, et cetera.

But what we've seen over the last couple years is that's basically all died and no one really thinks like that anymore.

Yeah, it's just sort of been accepted.

But what, what is your opinion of social media?

I think a lot of people are going to say that it doesn't affect them as much anymore because they can all talk about it and stuff, but, sorry, my phone's about to die so I had to put it on charge.

That's all right.

I was just checking.

A lot of people are going to say that because they can talk about it more, but I think as much as it did before, it's hurting people still and it's going to keep hurting people.

Because that's just what social media is.

Being able to see people from across the world, like supermodels being themselves in reality, when actually it's not reality, it's harming.

Especially for young girls and young boys.

Yeah.

Do you think that.

Because there's interesting opinions on whether or not how.

Just how harming like unrealistic body images are and stuff.

There's.

As I, as I said a couple of years ago, there was a big pull and it's sort of like everything.

If you just.

If these big tech companies just ignore the sort of onslaught that comes their way, eventually people just sort of stop saying it.

But there's like.

If you look at magazines and stuff, all magazine covers look the same.

They have an attractive woman on the front.

And the reason they haven't attracted women on the front is because all the magazines that didn't have attractive women on the front weren't born as effectively, they weren't bought as much as the ones that did have attractive women on the front.

The eye contact is very important.

So do you think that.

Because like, I keep bringing up the past, but sort of 10 years ago I can remember when I was like 14, 14, 15, there was an awful lot of talk about how damaging social media was for a female body image.

Do you think it's still as damaging because you don't hear about it as much nowadays.

What's it like for people your age?

Not that I think it's gotten better.

It has definitely gotten better.

But I think people around like 21, 20, 19, we know that it's.

We know that it's not.

Is still not there at all.

Because you'll see all of these pictures in magazine, Instagram photo shoots, like random places like Vogue, and it will have all the different body types and all different like ethnic backgrounds.

But you actually look at the contracts that they sign and like the model sign and see the lawsuits that have been held against them and they've buried from the public and realized that actually they have to do that, otherwise they're not going to get any readers or watchers or.

What do you mean by lawsuits?

Because what were they infringing upon?

There was one su.

There was a model that sued a massive company that I can't actually remember, but she sued for.

Don't say the name.

Anyway, but she sued for basically racism.

And the company that hired her basically said, no, look at this document.

That's not what happened.

And she basically had recorded some people, including the photographer.

So it went to shit.

But hey hun.

So that's, that's you sort of taking a bit more of an issue with the bureaucracy around modeling as opposed to the actual act of modeling and the potential.

What I'm getting at is would that imply that you're a fan of something like Onlyfans then?

Because in theory that is like a self made.

Well, I, I thought that the.

You brought up the.

I thought you were implying that the biggest issues with the modeling industry are like discrimination, not the, the way that it presents body image.

Or have I just misinterpreted that?

I would use that as an example.

Use that example.

So that I have heard of people like models, like friends of friends, all of that, that have actually like admitted to people that the, the company they were working for had to have a certain body type in order to get the shoot.

Like say, can't use it without the names.

A friend of a friend of mine went to a photo shoot casting for a semi decent brand.

Like you'd know them from the uk and she basically got sent away and she asked why and one of the people, I don't know what it was, it was like a wardrobe person or something like that.

They basically said that you had to be a certain body type and a certain, certain ethnic background to actually get the casting.

Even though there were loads of people there for the casting.

That's the right EDI of that.

Okay, so I get what you mean.

Social media.

Yeah, maybe it's.

I mean the modeling industry in itself is probably is a bag, is a snake's nest in it of.

But it's the falsifying and everything because it all goes on to social media anyway.

Yes, well, it's because.

Yeah, I mean it is amazing.

You think of some like Instagram models that like.

Why do I, I keep bringing out the past, but 10 years ago if you had like 5 million followers on Instagram, you were a really, really famous person.

But now like the amount of times I come across someone who's got like millions and millions of followers that I've just never met and they're just like an attractive woman who puts up certain photos.

I can see.

And it's such a big market to it and they just invest back into themselves and look a certain way, et cetera, et cetera, and it's, it's very interesting.

Do you think the object, where does the objectification come from though, primarily?

What do you mean?

Or do you think that men objectify women more nowadays?

Or do you think it's.

No.

Do you still want.

And no one's denying that, but also it happens the other way around.

No one's denying that either.

Including, as in women objectifying men.

Exactly.

Also there's.

Do you not think there's a lot of self objectification as well?

I sometimes think that objectification is not quite the right word to use in certain contexts.

Like, I do think that the sort of advent of things like onlyfans and promiscuity, I don't think that they're conducive to good mental health for this generation.

I do think part of the reasons why this generation struggle with their mental health is because we're moving more and more away from monogamous relationships.

And I just.

Because just gets messy.

I don't think you can detach sex from emotional commitment and emotional connection for the most part.

I mean, maybe you can.

Maybe.

It depends.

But in my experience it's.

Well, it's different, I guess.

But yeah, I don't know.

That was a bit.

That was another bit of a side rant.

But we don't have to get into that.

I kind of get what you mean, though.

What do you mean?

I get what you mean in the sense that a lot of people detach it nowadays, especially girls detach it nowadays.

Like sex is one thing and emotions are another.

And sex doesn't mean you have to have emotions for the person.

Yeah, I think women are definitely more happy, in my opinion.

In all my.

All the women that I've ever encountered that have gone through like a quote unquote, hoe phase.

User, awful, colloquial.

No, I've been through it.

So you do that.

Yeah, they just.

They're drawn to the same type of guys who are often very narcissistic and then they end up so quasi.

Not traumatized, because that's quite strong word sometimes traumatized.

But yeah, so.

And I.

And then.

So that, that.

I think that's.

I think it's well known.

It's well known psychologically that young women are drawn towards narcissistic and men are high in dark tetrad traits which are Machiavellian, sadistic.

You what?

And psychopathic.

Oh, God, you want me to go into it?

Please don't.

But that would be English.

It was English, trust me, it was.

So, yeah.

So I think that's part of the reason why this generation is struggling because we've blurred what dating is and we've created very many problems.

Like if you mess.

You mess with a societal norm at your own peril because you think that you can just do Whatever you want, but actually you can't, so.

Right, next question.

Because that was a bit of a heavy topic.

How do you.

Actually now I have got a question which I have to come back to that later, but we'll get back to it.

How do you manage your brain and your mental health now?

Sounds awful.

No, it doesn't.

It sounds great.

I'm on Satchelin and I have been for over a year now and I want to come off it, but it's really scaring me.

So I've got a doctor's appointment coming up and hopefully I'm gonna go down in the dosage and then I'll go down in how often I take them and then I'll be offered.

Okay, what's that?

What?

What dosage?

100 milligrams every day.

100 milligrams every day.

Okay, cool.

Yeah, I was on that when I was younger.

100 milligrams of social media or just come off it completely?

Eventually, yes.

I don't want to be on it anymore.

Why?

Why do you want to do that?

Because I think I'm mentally strong enough and I'm in a healthy, really healthy place right now that I want to come off it so that when I'm a lot older, I'm not still on it and come off it and like my whole world goes to pieces.

I want to do it when I'm mentally strong and I'm mentally strong.

When you feel mentally able.

Okay, well that's good then.

That's good.

Well, tell your doctor that then.

And I'm sure they'll be like, yes, you can.

And if you primarily struggle with depression, then I think you'd be okay because you seem like a pretty good position at the moment, sort of life wise, so that that makes sense.

It's mainly anxiety, which is difficult because anxiety can poke his ugly head.

Yeah, anxiety tends to just rise up at some points in life, which is really just annoying.

Just like, go away.

Yeah, no, I get.

I didn't ask you to be here.

Yeah, literally.

Nah, I don't do that.

No, you should do it.

I find it really awkward.

It'd be good for you to meditate.

Well, you can't say that to all of your listeners.

No, I.

I would say that to all of my listeners.

By the way, everyone out there listening should.

No, because what if they try and meditate and it doesn't work for them?

It doesn't work for them.

Unlucky, it doesn't work for everyone.

It works for you, but it might not Work for them.

Well, it depends what you mean by it doesn't work.

I don't think meditation is something that works or doesn't.

The biggest thing that.

The biggest rebuttal I get from people when I tell them they should meditate is o, but I can't stop thinking.

And the answer to that is, you're not meant to stop thinking.

It's just a place.

There's all forms of meditation, like anything that's like a repeated practice that you're doing that involves the breath.

That really annoys me.

I can't do it.

Well, I should send you some videos and watch different forms of meditation.

And I think that's.

That's not very good reading strategies, don't you?

Is it not?

Well, they work for some people.

They don't work for everyone.

Okay, but.

All right, well, breathing exercises then.

They don't work for everyone.

What do you mean?

Of course they do.

Of course they work for.

Of course they can work everyone breathe.

They don't.

You know why, though?

Because people panic when they do.

Well, I used to try and do breathing exercises and I do them now and they work.

But when I used to try and do them and they didn't work, it was the most terrifying thing.

So if they don't work for you, they don't work with you.

You can find other ways.

Therapy.

So what.

What other ways would you recommend?

Well, go to therapy and find out what's good for you.

Some people would say therapy doesn't work, though.

Yeah, but they can give you good strategies.

Don't find strategies on TikTok because they don't work.

No, but don't listen to some random person's idea that no one's ever used and has never worked for anyone ever.

But do listen to someone that's just echoing a very widely accepted method to deal with anxiety, which is breathing techniques.

But breathing techniques didn't work for me.

I thought you just said they work for me now.

But they didn't work for me for four years.

Okay, well, that's all right then.

Anyone that does.

Anyone that they don't work for now, try again in four years and make it work.

Yeah, but what are you supposed to do now?

Now they are supposed to listen to the Breaking Point podcast, the best therapy, or go for a run or go for a.

That doesn't help everything.

God.

What do you.

What do you think helped then?

Got a bit of a.

Got a bit of a mental health conspiracy theorist.

Well, no, I just like counter arguing things because it's fun.

No, I, I, trust me, that is my middle name.

Counter, arguing, arguing thing.

I'm sure there's many things we could counter argue on, but we're not going to go down that route yet.

So if, if you don't like breathing exercises, then write something down.

I bet you're going to say that doesn't work.

No, I like writing down.

But while you're having a panic attack, you can't write because you're shaking.

No.

Oh, if you're having a panic attack, I do the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 method.

Not that I have panic attack.

Oh God.

What do you mean?

No, five, four, three, two, one method.

Absolutely not.

Do you know what the one method is?

And I don't really want to explain it.

Well, you have to explain it because you've just disappeared.

Yeah, but it's been a while since I even tried it.

So therefore you just like the breathing exercises, they might work for you.

No.

So is like, what are five things that you see?

What are four things that you fucking touch?

All of that stuff?

Yeah.

Five things you can see, four things you can feel.

Is it here?

Here maybe three things that you can touch, two things you can.

No, three things.

Yeah, three things you can feel, two things you can take and et cetera, et cetera.

Good method.

Or another one is try and put emphasis into your legs and your lower body because when you get anxious, most of the negative feelings are in your like stomach or your chest or your head obviously, or your shoulders.

So if you can put some like, I don't know what the correct word would be, presence in your lower body, that can be quite good.

But basically just meditate, obviously.

Okay, so let's get on to.

She didn't like that.

Let's get on to another question I've got, which is how do you feel young people have people.

You've kind of re answered it, I guess specifically with you.

But did you find like your parents and your friends, were they good outlets for you with your mental health or did you mainly just manage it yourself eventually?

My family was good outlet.

Yes.

What do you mean by that?

Well, I didn't share with them for a very long time and they didn't quite understand what was happening for a very long time.

That's fair enough.

And as for friends, I never really fully put it on them because I didn't want anyone to feel like I was trying to bring their mood down, which is something I'm still working on because you should be able to talk to your friends about that.

Well, yeah, what I was going to say.

The idea would be, is that they could then go back to you and say, yeah, I'm feeling like this.

Yeah, et cetera, et cetera.

But then you end up comparing it.

Both of you guys, in your head, you're going to compare.

It's just what humans do.

As in who's having a worse situation.

That's just what humans do.

No one can deny that.

Sorry, but it's human.

It's human nature, mate.

What are you gonna do?

So.

And you.

But why would that be a problem?

But comparing, surely.

I mean, obviously the compare.

The comparison aspect is a problem, but that doesn't have to be the.

The only thing that.

Just because you.

A part of your brain does some comparison doesn't mean that the rest of your brain can't do other things.

Can't be empathetic or can't be.

Consider it.

No, absolutely not.

Like, you can be empathetic and you can listen to them and you can be there for them, but as soon as the conversation ends and you're alone again, you are going to feel like.

I felt so guilty that I put that.

Like I put my situation on someone that was going through something that in my head was a lot worse.

And I felt so guilty for putting it on a.

And she.

She didn't mind at all, which I know now, but at the time I was.

I felt so bad.

Yeah.

For sometimes sharing your difficulties.

Sometimes people can feel regulated by helping other people.

So that's.

That would be.

The caveat to that point, would be by you sharing your struggles with her.

It would provide her an opportunity to give you support and her giving you support might make her feel better.

But I understand you've got to strike a balance between.

Well, that's what I used to do.

But you don't want to be one of those sort of people who offloads everything onto everyone.

Which is why obviously therapy is good, because that's the whole point of it.

Therapists are trained to not let the difficulties of their clients impact them, which is quite a hard thing to.

You sort of do it as you get hold of it, as you.

As you do it more and more.

Okay.

How are you finding it so far?

Boring as hell?

Or is it sort of.

Sort of, you're thinking this is all right to be safe.

It's all right.

Brilliant.

I appreciate your honesty.

We are doing quite deep, sort of deep.

Tokic tough.

What?

Tokics is a good word.

Yeah, it's a good word, isn't it?

Maybe you should get a poster of it in your new bedroom somewhere.

Don't have space, unfortunately.

There's literally space right above you.

That's the ceiling.

No, no, there's a wall behind whatever.

Space.

I mean, literally over your left shoulder, there's some sort of space there.

Anyway, Gareth, over your left shoulder, there's space.

This was.

So I'm about to speak to an author who wrote a book about breakups and the benefits of them.

I know we've already sort of touched on dating, but maybe there isn't a question in that.

Actually.

No, there isn't any.

That's not really a question.

That's more of a statement.

What's a statement?

What do you mean, what's a statement?

Well, you said it's not a question, it's a statement.

So say it.

Well, it's a statement in the sense of.

Good question.

It's a statement in the sense of I've having.

I'm speaking to someone about the positive benefits of breakups to.

Actually, we don't need to talk about that because I don't even know if you had a breakup, so.

Okay.

Well, yeah, we can talk about it if you want to.

If it's not something that you want to talk about, let's not.

No, I'm up for talking about anything.

I just don't want to make you feel uncomfortable, so I just dart around certain topics.

Don't worry.

Do you want to know about the recent one or the worst one?

The recent one.

Has it.

Has there been many?

There's been three.

One of which was the really bad one.

The second one was my first love, and the third one was the recent one.

The first one was a really bad one.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah.

And are you feeling better now as a single individual person, you know, living your own life, happy?

Oh, that's good then.

I don't think we need to go into any more detail on that.

I think that's fair enough.

What's one thing would you wish all sort of young people knew about mental health that have.

That you've, like, come across during your journey that you think would really help them, even though you don't think you can put bracket broad statements out on everyone, but for the sake of the question that's can you do.

I would probably say that people might say they understand you because they understand the feeling of what you're going through, and they understand the sadness or they understand the panic or the anxiety that you're getting.

But don't take that badly when you're in the situation because they are just trying to help you.

And although you feel like they don't understand you, because I've been through this myself.

Even though they feel like you feel like they don't understand you, they're trying.

And let them try, because it's going to make them feel good, too.

I think that's fair enough.

I think.

I think that's a good statement.

And that's sort of what I was saying at the beginning, wasn't it?

I think it was a good.

It is true.

They're trying their best to empathize human beings.

We're limited in our ability to communicate because as great as words are, they can't hit the nail on the head, so to speak, as much.

We're not able to, like, I don't know, touch hands and sort of, like, feel everything that the other person's feeling and sort of, like, get this strong emotional connection.

We just.

We're stuck with using our words to convey what it is that's going on in our brains, which can be great, but it also can be flawed.