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In this conversation, Robb and Tina discuss the importance of religion in modern society. They share personal experiences with religion and explore different perspectives on the topic. They also discuss the role of religion as a baseline for morality and the impact of belief in God on individuals. The conversation includes statistics on belief in God among different racial and political groups. They also touch on the concept of heaven and hell. The conversation explores the topics of heaven and hell, the importance of religion, the decline of morality, the need for faith, the power of prayer, and finding happiness in life.

Belief in God - Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics | Pew Research Center

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[Robb]: Good times. Hey, and welcome to another

show of Don't Get This Twisted. I am Rob, along

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[Robb]: with my co-host, as always, Tina. How

you doing, Tina?

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[Tina m Garcia]: I'm good today, Rob. Ready

to go.

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[Robb]: Absolutely pleasant. You're having a

decent day. We've talked off before we got

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[Robb]: on here, it was kind of humorous. We

were laughing about ostrich leather. So I think

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[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

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[Robb]: there's a bazillion stories before the

show starts. It's almost funny, you know what

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[Robb]: I mean?

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[Tina m Garcia]: Are you gonna

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[Robb]: It's

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[Tina m Garcia]: tell them about

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[Robb]: no, no,

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[Tina m Garcia]: ostrich

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[Robb]: no, no,

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[Tina m Garcia]: leather?

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[Robb]: no, nah. And that's a joke, son, don't

you get it?

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[Tina m Garcia]: Hehehehe

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[Robb]: Yeah, no, we'll have to talk about that

another time. I think

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[Tina m Garcia]: I'm

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[Robb]: we

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[Tina m Garcia]: gonna

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[Robb]: should

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[Tina m Garcia]: go to

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[Robb]: probably

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[Tina m Garcia]: bed.

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[Robb]: do a show on that though, like on going

out and getting ready and the things that men

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[Robb]: and women do on both sides to be ready

for a date. I think it's interesting, because

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[Robb]: we both do something.

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[Robb]: So make

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[Tina m Garcia]: put

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[Robb]: sure to

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[Robb]: you listen to podcasts, Apple, Spotify,

Google, Amazon, I Heart Radio, and all that

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[Robb]: fun stuff. Today, we're going to talk

controversial subjects or what some people

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[Robb]: would think are controversial. We're

gonna talk religion

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mmm.

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[Robb]: and the, I would say the, importance

of that in modern society. Although I know

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[Robb]: that it's losing traction, at least

in the United States and parts of Europe. I

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[Robb]: guess it's starting to diminish a bit.

Like in England, it's really, like it's only

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[Robb]: like 40% of the people in England

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[Tina m Garcia]: That's still a huge

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[Robb]: practice

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[Tina m Garcia]: percentage. What did it used

to be? Do you know what it was?

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[Robb]: very high, very,

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[Tina m Garcia]: Really?

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[Robb]: very, very high, yeah. So, I mean, matter

of fact, the separation of church and state

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[Robb]: is because of that, because the king

and the pope and archbishops would rage war

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[Robb]: on people because they would just say

God said to do it. So yeah, so I think that

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[Robb]: there's definitely something to that,

but you know, I'm all up for the separation

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[Robb]: of church and state. You have to. definitely

have those differences. But I think religion

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[Robb]: in general, mostly Christianity, is

important because it keeps good people from

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[Robb]: doing horrible shit because of eternity,

their belief in eternity. I think the world

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[Robb]: without chaos would just be, or the

world without religion would just be total

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[Robb]: chaos.

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[Tina m Garcia]: I get you.

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[Robb]: Oh.

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[Tina m Garcia]: They're definitely growing

up for me. It definitely kept me from doing

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[Tina m Garcia]: things that I probably would

have done had I not had that guilt

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[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

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[Tina m Garcia]: implanted.

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[Robb]: Sure.

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[Tina m Garcia]: So I get the importance of

it. And it's a good foundation for like all

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[Tina m Garcia]: people to kind of be on a similar

platform spiritually. You know what I mean?

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[Tina m Garcia]: It's a tool. that kind of makes

the rules apply the same to everybody.

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[Robb]: Yeah, look,

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[Tina m Garcia]: or the baseline of it.

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[Robb]: exactly. It's a baseline for morality.

I think that

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

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[Robb]: people who are non-believers are using

the golden rule, which is pretty much the 10

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[Robb]: commandments, right? It's don't do things

that you don't want done to you.

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[Tina m Garcia]: Pretty much,

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[Robb]: So

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[Tina m Garcia]: yeah.

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[Robb]: I'm sure there would be arguments against

religion for several things, like... Muslim

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[Robb]: when you start getting into maybe the

Islamic faith, where it's definitely a bit

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[Robb]: different than modern Christianity with,

you know, how they, I would say, be more, a

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[Robb]: little bit more control of women.

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

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[Robb]: But, you know, I mean, you can say same

things for religion here with maybe gay marriage.

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[Robb]: I guess that would be some of the things.

But there, look, religion has worked for thousands

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[Robb]: and thousands of years

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

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[Robb]: where it's kept people within reason

without going bonkers and off the rail. So

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[Robb]: to me, where I would say mostly early

in my life, where I would say I was super atheist,

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[Robb]: I still had the morality of those same

things, right? Because

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

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[Robb]: people in my life that raised me came

from the church. Like I went to church when

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[Robb]: I went to my grandma's house in Iowa

all the time. They had a little church on the

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[Robb]: hill. Every time I went and visited,

we went on Sundays.

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

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[Robb]: I remembered.

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[Tina m Garcia]: My great-grandmother founded

a church.

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[Robb]: Oh yeah, yeah, see.

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[Tina m Garcia]: I heard she was a big religious

zealot.

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[Robb]: So to me, it's not a huge thing. I went

to Sunday school there because they would drop

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[Robb]: the kids off in the morning and that

kind of thing. And then later, like when I

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[Robb]: was 18, I dated somebody and her grandparents

owned a church. And I went there with her,

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[Robb]: which was kind of an interesting thing

because she was a recluse and a wild, wild

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[Robb]: one. And I remember going there with

her one time, and I forgot what they were talking

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[Robb]: about, but something I definitely didn't

agree with. And she ended up falling asleep

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[Robb]: on me.

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[Tina m Garcia]: Hehehe

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[Robb]: And I remember sitting in the back like,

you made me come here, and you're sleeping,

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[Robb]: like wake up. But her mother was super

duper religious,

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[Tina m Garcia]: Extremely

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[Robb]: extremely,

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[Tina m Garcia]: religious.

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[Robb]: but I think that also had to do with

her dad having a stroke early, you know, and

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[Robb]: being her mom having to take care of

him. But it was,

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[Tina m Garcia]: She needed strength.

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[Robb]: yeah, I mean, it was, I'm sure it couldn't

have been easy on her mom.

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[Tina m Garcia]: on any of them.

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[Robb]: Yeah, so I mean, look, faith is a good

thing, like, to me. I understand the backbone

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[Robb]: of it, and why I still think that it's

important for the planet, regardless of maybe

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[Robb]: what religion you're part of, because

even the more extreme religions that you might

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[Robb]: say, the base of those are still good,

right? The extreme of anything is not good.

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

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[Robb]: regardless. So to me I still find it

an interesting thing where

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[Robb]: either one, the non-religious or the

non-believer or the believer always tries to

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[Robb]: take the moral high ground.

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[Tina m Garcia]: religious and believer, two

totally separate things though, too. Because

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[Tina m Garcia]: I'm not religious, but I'm

definitely a believer. I don't go to church

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[Tina m Garcia]: every week, but I pray every

day. And I give people advice based on what

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[Tina m Garcia]: my beliefs are religiously,

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[Robb]: Okay.

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[Tina m Garcia]: not religiously, I guess I

would say more spiritually, on a daily.

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[Robb]: No, but the backbone is still the Bible.

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[Tina m Garcia]: the golden

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[Robb]: So like,

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[Tina m Garcia]: roll.

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[Robb]: well, to me it's like that's religion

in general. This spiritual to me would be someone

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[Robb]: who maybe believes, would be more agnostic

where they may believe in a supreme being but

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[Robb]: don't follow the Bible. Like we all

follow the Bible per se because the Ten Commandments

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[Robb]: have been around since

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[Tina m Garcia]: Well, plus it's the way our

world is set up, you know, the way that our

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[Tina m Garcia]: core beliefs start with that,

with the golden rule, with believing in God,

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[Tina m Garcia]: having a faith, going to church.

You know, I think that...

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[Tina m Garcia]: Even if you're not a believer,

our world is set up as such. That's, like I

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[Tina m Garcia]: said, the baseline.

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[Robb]: Yeah, don't do shit to people that you

don't want done to you. It's

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

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[Robb]: pretty basic. And like we've evolved

as people, obviously, since the cavemen and

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[Robb]: then modern religion.

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[Tina m Garcia]: Not much.

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[Robb]: Not much. I mean, we're like, common

sense doesn't exist. So who knows?

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[Tina m Garcia]: Right?

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[Robb]: But I think the baseline of religion,

at least. And again, I'm kind of coming from

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[Robb]: the backside in where I would be like,

I didn't believe, and I can't tell you for

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[Robb]: sure what I believe now, I would say

I'm more agnostic, where I can't tell you yes

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[Robb]: or no, but I've seen

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[Tina m Garcia]: Yes

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[Robb]: things.

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[Tina m Garcia]: or no to what?

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[Robb]: That there's a God.

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mmm.

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[Robb]: But I will tell you that I have seen

things or felt things over the last couple

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[Robb]: of years, like I would say about five

or six, about five years, where things that

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[Robb]: just happened that just didn't seem.

I don't know, just things that shouldn't have

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[Robb]: happened, happened in this very bizarre

order and with lots of different things

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

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[Robb]: where things kind of fell into place.

So, you know, I just think, and I've listened

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[Robb]: and watched to several church things

and look, I find it to be a good moral line.

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[Robb]: And

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

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[Robb]: I think that that's why it works, and

that's why it's always worked. Now, and again,

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[Robb]: you can go along religions, whatever

they are, like Catholicism is the same book,

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[Robb]: different way of looking at things.

So you have where you can go to confession,

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[Robb]: and the priest

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[Tina m Garcia]: Well, not

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[Robb]: talks

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[Tina m Garcia]: where

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[Robb]: to

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[Tina m Garcia]: you

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[Robb]: God.

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[Tina m Garcia]: could go, where you're supposed

to go to confession. The devout Catholics go

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[Tina m Garcia]: to confession quite a bit,

and they do that so that they could take.

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[Robb]: so they can go to heaven.

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[Tina m Garcia]: Like, no, it's so that they,

it's so that they get the offering of the body

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[Tina m Garcia]: of Christ and the blood of

Christ. Like that's, you go to the altar for

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[Tina m Garcia]: that, but you only go to the

altar if you're, your standing is right.

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[Robb]: Right.

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[Tina m Garcia]: And that means you got to go

confess all the shitty things that you do.

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[Robb]: that you've done, right?

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[Tina m Garcia]: Well, do done.

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[Robb]: Right, because you're supposed to go

all

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[Tina m Garcia]: If

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[Robb]: the

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[Tina m Garcia]: you

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[Robb]: time.

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[Tina m Garcia]: stay on, if you stay on a regimen,

it's like, it's what you're doing. Right now,

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[Tina m Garcia]: not what you've done 20 years

ago. You know, it's like, well, this time I

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[Tina m Garcia]: did this, this, that, and this,

but it was different from last time where I

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[Tina m Garcia]: did that, that, and that so.

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[Robb]: Yeah, but you can confess shit from

20 years ago, as well

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[Tina m Garcia]: You can,

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[Robb]: as what

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[Tina m Garcia]: you

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[Robb]: you

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[Tina m Garcia]: can.

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[Robb]: did yesterday.

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[Tina m Garcia]: But once you confess it, you

don't have to worry. Well, you have to pray

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[Tina m Garcia]: for yourself and then you don't

have to worry about it. It's like

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[Robb]: Right,

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[Tina m Garcia]: the

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[Robb]: you're

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[Tina m Garcia]: slate's

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[Robb]: clean of it.

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[Tina m Garcia]: wiped clean, yeah.

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[Robb]: Correct.

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[Tina m Garcia]: So you don't have to go back

and do it over and over.

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[Robb]: But I think that even in that, it's,

look, there's, we all do bad things, we all

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[Robb]: sin, if you're gonna go from the standpoint

of,

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[Tina m Garcia]: Of the Ten Commandments,

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[Robb]: yes,

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[Tina m Garcia]: yes.

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[Robb]: for sure, I mean, without a doubt,

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[Tina m Garcia]: That's

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[Robb]: we

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[Tina m Garcia]: on

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[Robb]: all

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[Tina m Garcia]: a daily,

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[Robb]: do it. Yeah,

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[Tina m Garcia]: yeah.

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[Robb]: I mean, and look, you can bunch a bunch

of the Ten Commandments together now, kind

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[Robb]: of hold hands if you've never seen George

Carlin's comedy bit on the Ten Commandments,

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[Robb]: and he breaks it down to just, I think,

I think the last one is just two. There's only

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[Robb]: two commandments, and you have to see

it to see how he breaks them down, but like,

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[Robb]: cover thy neighbor, and all these are

kind of going together. But I think that, look,

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[Robb]: we all, like, don't kill people. It's

pretty basic. you know thing

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

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[Robb]: and

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[Tina m Garcia]: It's a

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[Robb]: you know

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[Tina m Garcia]: it's a it's a baseline

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[Robb]: It's a baseline But they work those

things work and and to me That's why religion

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[Robb]: is still something that I think is important

the lack of religion in this country or on

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[Robb]: the planet Will turn to total chaos

people will have Absolutely no moral line and

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[Robb]: we're getting there now like mostly

here the states have just turned into something

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[Robb]: that's super bizarre. And I think that

there's a lack of that and a lack of belief.

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[Robb]: I don't know what the statistics are,

but I'm gonna look them up while we're talking.

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[Robb]: I wonder what

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[Tina m Garcia]: You know

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[Robb]: the...

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[Tina m Garcia]: what I think? You know what

I think the problem is, is people don't have

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[Tina m Garcia]: to be accountable anymore.

So you could act like an asshole and then it's

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[Tina m Garcia]: okay because you were triggered

or you were, you were bothered. You know, you

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[Tina m Garcia]: were something it's still put

back on the person that was victimized. Like,

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[Tina m Garcia]: well, I did that because you

did this. And instead of saying, you know what,

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[Tina m Garcia]: I screwed up, I apologize,

and owning their shit, it's causing quite a

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[Tina m Garcia]: problem here. And that, you

know, when, when I went to, when I was going

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[Tina m Garcia]: to church all the time and

I went to several different churches, you had

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[Tina m Garcia]: to be accountable for your

actions. That's what going to confession was

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[Tina m Garcia]: for. So if you screwed up,

you apologized. People don't do that anymore.

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[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

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[Tina m Garcia]: And they think that the reason

they don't do that is because they don't have

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[Tina m Garcia]: to have accountability. They

didn't. They don't have a moral standing to

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[Tina m Garcia]: start off with that's as high

as, say, mine was who went to Catholic school

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[Tina m Garcia]: and did all that.

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[Robb]: So I got a couple stats here. This is

Pew Research Center is where I'm checking these

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[Robb]: out. Pewresearch.org. Here are the six

takeaways. This is basically key findings about

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[Robb]: Americans' belief in God. It's kind

of interesting. So the vast majority of Americans,

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[Robb]: 90%, believe in some kind of higher

power. 56% professing faith in God described

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[Robb]: by the Bible. The other 33% saying they

believe in another type of higher power or

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[Robb]: spiritual force. And one in 10 Americans

say they don't believe in God or a higher power

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[Robb]: of any kind. So,

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[Tina m Garcia]: One in ten. Hmm.

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[Robb]: yeah.

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[Tina m Garcia]: I thought that would be higher.

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[Robb]: So 56, 33, that's 89% or 90%. So 10%

of this country doesn't believe in a higher

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[Robb]: power. I thought it would have been

a little higher than that, actually. Oh.

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm, me too.

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[Robb]: Hmm.

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[Tina m Garcia]: I told you the story about

when I was five and I had my tonsils pulled

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[Tina m Garcia]: out, didn't I? Did we talk

about that on the show?

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[Robb]: I believe we did.

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[Tina m Garcia]: So to me, I believe that there

definitely is a higher purpose, a higher power

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[Tina m Garcia]: out there. This is definitely

a stepping stone from where we're to be going

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[Tina m Garcia]: next. And I believe it because

I went through that. tragic, like what would

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[Tina m Garcia]: you even call it? That event

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[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

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[Tina m Garcia]: that they kind of, I wasn't

looking for it. At five years old, I don't

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[Tina m Garcia]: think you're looking for God.

At five years old, I don't think you're looking

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[Tina m Garcia]: for anything other than to

like go hang out and play with your friends.

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[Tina m Garcia]: But when that happened to me,

I do believe that spiritually it changed me

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[Tina m Garcia]: forever. And I had gone to

church and actively was going to church and

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[Tina m Garcia]: yet it wasn't as profound as

what I went through. by any means.

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[Robb]: No, exactly, I think people who find

God or have this major event in their life

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

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[Robb]: is generally by people who aren't looking

for it.

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[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

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[Robb]: So,

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[Tina m Garcia]: But

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[Robb]: and

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[Tina m Garcia]: it

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[Robb]: most

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[Tina m Garcia]: did,

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[Robb]: of, uh-huh, I'll

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[Tina m Garcia]: I'm sorry, but it

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[Robb]: go.

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[Tina m Garcia]: did put me on a course to seek

out different religions. I went to a synagogue

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[Tina m Garcia]: with a few of my Jewish friends.

I went to a Buddhist temple, which I thought

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[Tina m Garcia]: was phenomenal. My favorite

church that I went to was Baptist, and I was

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[Tina m Garcia]: the only white person in it.

And the way that they get animated and throw

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[Tina m Garcia]: themselves around and praise

Jesus and then all the good food they eat and

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[Tina m Garcia]: everything like that, that

to me felt most like home. Like most, like

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[Tina m Garcia]: the people were just... happy

to be where they were at that moment and to

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[Tina m Garcia]: be rejoicing in their beliefs.

I truly loved that, but I felt as out of places

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[Tina m Garcia]: I possibly could have there.

So

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[Robb]: Right.

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[Tina m Garcia]: it did. It forced me to look

for religion, spirituality, be a Native American

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[Tina m Garcia]: too. your beliefs are so different

and you're taught so differently. And, and

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[Tina m Garcia]: so I was always like on a quest

to find where I fit in. Not to, not that I

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[Tina m Garcia]: didn't believe in God because

I totally believe in God, got that down, but

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[Tina m Garcia]: like where, where did I feel

the most comfortable?

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[Tina m Garcia]: to be able to pray or to be

able to take that time. And I still haven't

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[Tina m Garcia]: found it. Like I find that

my favorite time to talk to God, last year

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[Tina m Garcia]: was on a raft in the pool.

There was no church around. You know, there's

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[Tina m Garcia]: just.

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[Robb]: Right, I mean, I think that that's part

of the whole thing anyway.

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[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

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[Robb]: I had someone tell me one time that

you're not a real Christian unless you go to

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[Robb]: church.

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[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

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[Robb]: And I was like, well, I mean, isn't

the whole point of belief in God being able

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[Robb]: to pray and talk to him whenever? And

this

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[Tina m Garcia]: and

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[Robb]: guy

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[Tina m Garcia]: isn't

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[Robb]: was

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[Tina m Garcia]: he

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[Robb]: like,

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[Tina m Garcia]: everywhere?

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[Robb]: but this person was like, no, because

the Bible says

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[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

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[Robb]: that you have to go to church. I was

like, okay, well. to me, that's craziness.

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[Robb]: I just think that if you believe in

a supreme being or a higher power or whatever

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[Robb]: God you choose in, because

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[Robb]: I don't wanna get down to arguing which

God's real because I think that,

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[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah, please don't.

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[Robb]: because I just think that, look, if

there is a supreme being, it's all the same.

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[Robb]: I think that's crazy. to me, and maybe

it's just how people have interpreted this

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[Robb]: God for thousands and thousands and

thousands of years.

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[Tina m Garcia]: You know, I was told once that

the reason that there are so many different

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[Tina m Garcia]: religions and beliefs that

basically all go to the one source, it's the

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[Tina m Garcia]: creator, right? Whoever, whomever

is up there, whatever energy that is, but they

354

[Tina m Garcia]: have different, there's different

religions and there's different ways of thinking

355

[Tina m Garcia]: to accommodate everybody. That

not, you know, nobody learns the same as the

356

[Tina m Garcia]: person sitting next to them.

So they have, or in religion, it's, it, there's

357

[Tina m Garcia]: different. uh, religions and

different thinking to accommodate those people

358

[Tina m Garcia]: so that they all get to the

source, which is the Supreme being.

359

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

360

[Tina m Garcia]: And I liked, I liked being

told that because I, I do feel everybody feels

361

[Tina m Garcia]: so different about religion.

Even my friends and I are so, we're

362

[Robb]: Sure,

363

[Tina m Garcia]: completely different.

364

[Robb]: well, and I think

365

[Tina m Garcia]: And

366

[Robb]: that some religions alienate, right?

So if you're Jewish, Muslim, and then you can

367

[Robb]: get into the subsets of Christianity

where you have, you know, or Catholicism, where

368

[Robb]: you have Baptist, and there's so many

of these subsets that, you know, at the

369

[Tina m Garcia]: Even

370

[Robb]: end,

371

[Tina m Garcia]: in the church,

372

[Robb]: there's

373

[Tina m Garcia]: like

374

[Robb]: one.

375

[Tina m Garcia]: you, you can't have the body

of Christ or the blood of Christ if you haven't

376

[Tina m Garcia]: gotten your communion and your,

um, confession and gone through all the schooling

377

[Tina m Garcia]: and stuff.

378

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

379

[Tina m Garcia]: So it's even alienating at

the church from the get, you know,

380

[Robb]: Yeah,

381

[Tina m Garcia]: it's either

382

[Robb]: inside

383

[Tina m Garcia]: you're this

384

[Robb]: their

385

[Tina m Garcia]: way

386

[Robb]: own.

387

[Tina m Garcia]: or you're that way, you know.

388

[Robb]: Well, the whole thing is like being

baptized, right?

389

[Tina m Garcia]: Yes,

390

[Robb]: Yeah.

391

[Tina m Garcia]: that's the first sacrament.

392

[Robb]: I was baptized.

393

[Tina m Garcia]: Where are you?

394

[Robb]: Of

395

[Tina m Garcia]: I

396

[Robb]: course,

397

[Tina m Garcia]: was too.

398

[Robb]: yeah. So here's a couple more stats

that might give us a couple things. About half,

399

[Robb]: 48% of US adults believe in God, oh

believe God determines what happens to them.

400

[Tina m Garcia]: Only 50%? Okay.

401

[Robb]: Mm-hmm. Younger adults, those under

the age of 50, are less likely to, let's see,

402

[Robb]: are less inclined than older Americans

to believe in a biblical God, and more likely

403

[Robb]: to say that they don't believe in God

or any higher power. So, let's see, roughly

404

[Robb]: two thirds of older adults. Let's see.

Those in their 30s and 40s, they say 43%.

405

[Tina m Garcia]: Don't believe.

406

[Robb]: Don't believe yeah Eight and ten of

those ages eighteen to twenty Twenty-nine say

407

[Robb]: they don't believe at all Eight and

408

[Tina m Garcia]: You

409

[Robb]: ten

410

[Tina m Garcia]: know, I remember when you told

me that you were atheist. I felt bad for you.

411

[Tina m Garcia]: I remember this specifically.

I don't know why I do, but I remember this.

412

[Tina m Garcia]: I felt bad because where do

you find faith, like having faith that everything

413

[Tina m Garcia]: will be okay, or hope that

it can be? Like if you don't believe in a higher

414

[Tina m Garcia]: power that you could turn to,

where do you find that? And I found... at a

415

[Tina m Garcia]: very early age that I felt

sorry for people that didn't have that kind

416

[Tina m Garcia]: of core belief because there

have been times in my life where I couldn't

417

[Tina m Garcia]: believe in anybody and didn't

believe in anybody and didn't feel like I had

418

[Tina m Garcia]: any, it was just a bad situation,

like I didn't have any hope in it, but I could

419

[Tina m Garcia]: always pray and say, all right,

God, like, I don't know how we're going to

420

[Tina m Garcia]: pull this out, but can you

help me with this? You know, and to me, I found

421

[Tina m Garcia]: peace in that.

422

[Robb]: Sure.

423

[Tina m Garcia]: But people that are atheists,

like, where do you find the peace if in those

424

[Tina m Garcia]: situations?

425

[Robb]: I think within yourself, you just go,

look, things are gonna be all right. I get

426

[Robb]: what you're saying, I just think that

it's, you look more to within than on the outside.

427

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

428

[Robb]: I had a friend one time who, years and

years, years ago, when I met her, very religious

429

[Robb]: person, me being atheist, and she had

told me kind of the same thing. She's like,

430

[Robb]: you know, you were nice and this and

that. She goes, but I didn't, I didn't hold

431

[Robb]: it against you that you didn't believe

in God,

432

[Tina m Garcia]: That was kinda how I felt too.

433

[Robb]: which, which I thought was really funny.

And I'm still friends with her. And during

434

[Robb]: this she'll send me like, um, memes

or videos, or we talk about this one guy that

435

[Robb]: we listened to. Uh, and now we're, at

least we can talk about that on a totally different

436

[Robb]: level because Again, not that I can

tell you that I believe in the biblical God,

437

[Robb]: but I definitely have seen things that

have changed my mind on a lot of different

438

[Robb]: things.

439

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

440

[Robb]: So for us, it's like we'll throw things

back at each other now, but I kind of laughed

441

[Robb]: when she told me that. I was like, wow.

She's like, yeah, I didn't, you know, you were

442

[Robb]: just a good guy and we could talk. And

when we get together, we have really good conversations.

443

[Robb]: So we've always been able to talk to

each other. But I thought it was kind of humorous

444

[Robb]: that she kind of threw that out there

like, yeah, I didn't hold it against you. I

445

[Robb]: was like, oh, well, that's, I'm glad

446

[Tina m Garcia]: I kind

447

[Robb]: you didn't.

448

[Tina m Garcia]: of felt the same way.

449

[Robb]: Yeah,

450

[Tina m Garcia]: I

451

[Robb]: I'm

452

[Tina m Garcia]: kind

453

[Robb]: glad

454

[Tina m Garcia]: of felt

455

[Robb]: everyone.

456

[Tina m Garcia]: bad for you because

457

[Robb]: Yeah.

458

[Tina m Garcia]: we're, you know, that not having

that, that place to go to, to feel like you're

459

[Tina m Garcia]: supported. It's, it's got to

be a lonely place to, if I had to always just

460

[Tina m Garcia]: rely on myself, although I've

always gotten myself out of shit, I still would

461

[Tina m Garcia]: be, I don't think I'd have

the strength

462

[Robb]: Right,

463

[Tina m Garcia]: that I

464

[Robb]: right.

465

[Tina m Garcia]: really did need that.

466

[Robb]: No, I understand leaning on that, because

when shit is bad,

467

[Tina m Garcia]: It's bad.

468

[Robb]: it's bad, and I think there's something

to that. So here's another one for you. Americans

469

[Robb]: with a high school education or less

are more likely than college graduates to believe

470

[Robb]: in God or a higher power.

471

[Tina m Garcia]: Believe that.

472

[Robb]: Well, I just think that the college

system is full of nonsense anyway.

473

[Tina m Garcia]: what

474

[Robb]: I would

475

[Tina m Garcia]: they're

476

[Robb]: tell.

477

[Tina m Garcia]: teaching is not religious based

by any means.

478

[Robb]: Oh, that's putting it lightly, Tina.

479

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah,

480

[Robb]: Well,

481

[Tina m Garcia]: yeah, right, by

482

[Robb]: I would say

483

[Tina m Garcia]: any

484

[Robb]: the

485

[Tina m Garcia]: means.

486

[Robb]: liberal agenda definitely will, well,

because the belief systems are just different.

487

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm

488

[Robb]: The liberal agenda generally will have

people where it doesn't matter what you do

489

[Robb]: and you have no recourse or no. There's

just do whatever the fuck you want and I think

490

[Robb]: that that's where religion does help

where it's like you can't just do Whatever

491

[Robb]: you want there's gotta be something

there. So I thought that was kind of interesting.

492

[Robb]: Let's see what is this one. Oh, here

you go. Here's the last one on here, which

493

[Robb]: is kind of what we're talking. Republicans

and Democrats have a very different belief

494

[Robb]: about God. Let's see, Democrats are

those who lean toward the Democratic Party

495

[Robb]: are less likely to say they believe

in God or the Bible. And Republicans, or Republican

496

[Robb]: leaners. So it's 45% to 70. Democrats

are

497

[Tina m Garcia]: Didn't

498

[Robb]: more

499

[Tina m Garcia]: that

500

[Robb]: likely.

501

[Tina m Garcia]: used to be kind of opposite?

No.

502

[Robb]: Well, I think that...

503

[Robb]: Democrats would be. in the past were

less likely to say, they would fight for your

504

[Robb]: rights, which now I think they just

wanna take them more. Republicans

505

[Tina m Garcia]: I think they all

506

[Robb]: lean?

507

[Tina m Garcia]: want to take them for sure.

508

[Robb]: Yeah, I mean, I think deep down probably,

only because I think that absolute power is,

509

[Robb]: they have to take everything from you.

But I would say that I mean, you look at mostly

510

[Robb]: these days with freedom of speech and

again, like anything that's in the constitution

511

[Robb]: is definitely more Republican based

or they're more constitutionalist. So which

512

[Robb]: generally lean more to godly things

because they want to keep people from doing

513

[Robb]: horrible shit. So I think it's kind

of a it's kind of a weird thing. I mean, obviously,

514

[Robb]: most most of the people that I know

who are are Democrats or lean that direction

515

[Robb]: are definitely not very religious. But

then you can

516

[Tina m Garcia]: and get

517

[Robb]: go down

518

[Tina m Garcia]: you.

519

[Robb]: to race as well. I'm sure that there's

race statistics on

520

[Tina m Garcia]: I'm sure of that, yeah.

521

[Robb]: who believes and who doesn't. Because

obviously the Hispanic population is very in

522

[Robb]: with the Catholic Church.

523

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm and Christian churches

524

[Robb]: Yeah, but I mean, generally it's a lot

of Catholicism. And then you look at the black

525

[Robb]: community with, tons of churches in

the south. So I would, I wonder what that is

526

[Robb]: by race. I wonder if there's any kind

of statistics on that.

527

[Robb]: Because I would say, I bet you that

it's, oh, here we go. You gotta love, you gotta

528

[Robb]: love the interwebs. So this is the same

one, Pew Research. So believe in God by race.

529

[Robb]: Believe in God. Absolutely. So white

folk, 61%. That,

530

[Tina m Garcia]: that believe in God. This is

531

[Robb]: that,

532

[Tina m Garcia]: not church people, this

533

[Robb]: that,

534

[Tina m Garcia]: is...

535

[Robb]: yeah, this is just,

536

[Tina m Garcia]: Okay.

537

[Robb]: this is belief in God by race.

538

[Tina m Garcia]: Okay.

539

[Robb]: So believe in God, certainly 61%. Believe

in God fairly is about 20%. Believe in God.

540

[Robb]: Let's see, not to or not at all certain

is about 5%. Let's see, what percentage is

541

[Robb]: this? 1% say they don't know, 11% don't.

And then what is this one? Believe in another

542

[Robb]: god, 3%, which is

543

[Tina m Garcia]: What

544

[Robb]: kind

545

[Tina m Garcia]: is

546

[Robb]: of,

547

[Tina m Garcia]: another god?

548

[Robb]: Allah.

549

[Robb]: or... or... Zeus.

550

[Tina m Garcia]: Okay.

551

[Robb]: or Odin, you know, because there's still

people that do that. Let's see mixed, mixed

552

[Robb]: or other, believe in God, absolutely

66%. So

553

[Tina m Garcia]: Mixed?

554

[Robb]: I think that mixed, that would

555

[Tina m Garcia]: Mixed

556

[Robb]: be white,

557

[Tina m Garcia]: what?

558

[Robb]: white and something else, I'm assuming,

or black

559

[Tina m Garcia]: So like me.

560

[Robb]: and something else, or yeah, like you.

Latino, 59% are certain.

561

[Robb]: Black, 83% are certain. Absolutely certain.

That's a fucking huge percentage. And Asian,

562

[Robb]: 44%, absolutely certain. Now here's

563

[Tina m Garcia]: Hmm.

564

[Robb]: the do not believe. There's a lot of

middle ground, but let's go

565

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

566

[Robb]: to the ones that are just like do not

believe at all. White people, 11. Other are

567

[Robb]: mixed, eight. Latino, six. Let's see

what this one is. Do not believe in God, black

568

[Robb]: people, 2%.

569

[Tina m Garcia]: Hmm

570

[Robb]: and Asian 19%. So.

571

[Tina m Garcia]: I find that interesting because

we were talking in another show about the black

572

[Tina m Garcia]: population not having fathers

there.

573

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

574

[Tina m Garcia]: So there's a breakdown of a

family there. But as far as beliefs in God,

575

[Robb]: Yeah,

576

[Tina m Garcia]: it's

577

[Robb]: but

578

[Tina m Garcia]: very

579

[Robb]: faith,

580

[Tina m Garcia]: high.

581

[Robb]: it's very high.

582

[Tina m Garcia]: Faith is high. Yeah.

583

[Robb]: Now these sample sizes, I have to say

those as well, because I think that's to be

584

[Robb]: fair. So the people polled, white people

were 25,000, blacks were 3,500, Asians 1,000,

585

[Robb]: Latino 3,800, and other

586

[Tina m Garcia]: that changes

587

[Robb]: mixed 1,500.

588

[Tina m Garcia]: things, it would be nice if

they did a cross section of

589

[Robb]: Yeah,

590

[Tina m Garcia]: the same

591

[Robb]: I mean,

592

[Tina m Garcia]: amount of

593

[Robb]: those

594

[Tina m Garcia]: people.

595

[Robb]: are still pretty large numbers though,

thousands

596

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

597

[Robb]: of people. I still think that's a pretty

good sample size though.

598

[Tina m Garcia]: It

599

[Robb]: I mean,

600

[Tina m Garcia]: is.

601

[Robb]: when you ask 3000 different people and

get these answers, and it's still 83% are absolutely

602

[Robb]: certain for blacks, that's pretty high

out

603

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

604

[Robb]: of the sample size. And the... do not

believe in God is, you know, the highest is

605

[Robb]: Asian, followed by us white folk. So

606

[Tina m Garcia]: Hmm.

607

[Robb]: the belief in God in the minority community

is very high, very high. So maybe it's not

608

[Robb]: slipping, you know, here as much in

the states as I thought, which I think,

609

[Tina m Garcia]: I don't

610

[Robb]: again,

611

[Tina m Garcia]: know.

612

[Robb]: is

613

[Tina m Garcia]: Does

614

[Robb]: kind

615

[Tina m Garcia]: it,

616

[Robb]: of a good thing.

617

[Tina m Garcia]: I don't know that it's something

that could just slip all of a sudden. Cause

618

[Tina m Garcia]: if it's put into you at a very

early age, it stays with you forever.

619

[Robb]: Generally, I agree.

620

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

621

[Robb]: I

622

[Tina m Garcia]: Even

623

[Robb]: think

624

[Tina m Garcia]: if you

625

[Robb]: that...

626

[Tina m Garcia]: don't believe in it, it still

stays there. Like

627

[Robb]: Yes,

628

[Tina m Garcia]: your core beliefs

629

[Robb]: the

630

[Tina m Garcia]: are set in stone.

631

[Robb]: thought of those, correct. I definitely

agree with that. I think that, again, you're

632

[Robb]: right. Even if you don't believe in

the biblical text per se, the moral line generally

633

[Robb]: rides there because your parents are

still going to say things to you because they're

634

[Robb]: gonna be generally more religious. If

we go by those statistics, the older generations

635

[Robb]: are more religious. You've been being

told these things your whole life. So I think

636

[Robb]: there's something to that that, yes,

you're getting these morals from your grandparents

637

[Robb]: and your parents. And they're continuously

telling you don't do this shit because you're

638

[Robb]: going to go to hell.

639

[Tina m Garcia]: I got told that all the time.

640

[Robb]: Yeah

641

[Tina m Garcia]: Don't do that. Don't do that.

Don't do that.

642

[Robb]: And it makes sense. Look, my argument

about religion is, can it be bad? Of course

643

[Robb]: it can.

644

[Tina m Garcia]: Yes.

645

[Robb]: Because anything can be twisted to be

bad, anything.

646

[Robb]: You can twist being a vegetarian, I'm

sure, to be bad, or this or that or the other

647

[Robb]: thing. So yes,

648

[Tina m Garcia]: But

649

[Robb]: there's

650

[Tina m Garcia]: that's

651

[Robb]: bad

652

[Tina m Garcia]: more of

653

[Robb]: parts

654

[Tina m Garcia]: the hypocrisy

655

[Robb]: of that.

656

[Tina m Garcia]: of what it brings about other

than the religion itself.

657

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

658

[Tina m Garcia]: Like if you put people in anything,

they're going to screw it up. So you put people

659

[Tina m Garcia]: in a church, yeah, the word

of God is going to be way different than it

660

[Tina m Garcia]: would be if you were sitting

by yourself reading it and making your own

661

[Tina m Garcia]: translations and, you know,

using your own brain. But when you got other

662

[Tina m Garcia]: people and they're on their

own agenda, because again, nobody's perfect

663

[Tina m Garcia]: but they

664

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

665

[Tina m Garcia]: don't want to look bad. They'll

screw a lot of shit up.

666

[Robb]: Yeah, it's twisting the message.

667

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah, oh absolutely.

668

[Robb]: Yeah, so I definitely think there's

good and bad, but I am still a believer that

669

[Robb]: it's predominantly still good.

670

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

671

[Robb]: only because you're keeping people from

just doing horrible shit with

672

[Tina m Garcia]: For

673

[Robb]: absolute...

674

[Tina m Garcia]: me, it

675

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

676

[Tina m Garcia]: definitely did.

677

[Robb]: Well,

678

[Tina m Garcia]: Knowing.

679

[Robb]: yeah, and I mean just in general, like

all over the whole planet. It's this moral

680

[Robb]: line that says, hey, don't go out and

rape and don't go out and kill and don't go

681

[Robb]: out and do this because you don't want

it to happen to you. You don't want to go to

682

[Robb]: this fiery damnation because that's,

you know, the eternity of hell is enough to,

683

[Robb]: even if you're not a believer per se,

the thought of that is absolutely horrible.

684

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

685

[Robb]: Now, if you believe

686

[Tina m Garcia]: It's like

687

[Robb]: that the

688

[Tina m Garcia]: the

689

[Robb]: lights,

690

[Tina m Garcia]: worst of the worst. That's

691

[Robb]: yeah,

692

[Tina m Garcia]: why.

693

[Robb]: if you believe that the lights just

turn off, then there's no, there's no changing

694

[Robb]: that person. But the thought of like,

or what is the afterlife? Like, where do we

695

[Robb]: go? What is it? What is your soul? Is

there a soul? Like, there's so many questions

696

[Robb]: to be asked, but the only answer is

the end, right? So you don't find out until

697

[Robb]: then. And I think that's what also keeps

people in line. It keeps you from... Just going,

698

[Robb]: because what if there is? What if there

is this eternal place? And what if there is

699

[Robb]: damnation? And what if there is this?

Yeah, what if there is? That's going to be

700

[Robb]: the rest of your eternity getting poked

in the ass by the devil. You know what I mean?

701

[Tina m Garcia]: With no lube.

702

[Robb]: Yeah, or this great place where you

get to see all your relatives that have passed.

703

[Robb]: Sounds

704

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

705

[Robb]: like a pretty cool place. You know what

I mean?

706

[Tina m Garcia]: if you want to see all your

relatives.

707

[Robb]: Well, yes. I mean, you're, you're hoping

that if they go through these pearly gates,

708

[Robb]: that, that their souls are cleansed

and they've, they don't have to worry about

709

[Robb]: the pressures of modern society or modern

living. You know, you're,

710

[Tina m Garcia]: right?

711

[Robb]: you're, it's the best thing. Everyone

gets to walk by the lake and play with dogs

712

[Robb]: and not have allergies and, and, you

know, and your hips don't hurt anymore. And

713

[Robb]: If you're gonna go down that line, yeah,

fuck, I hope there's a heaven. Because it

714

[Tina m Garcia]: I

715

[Robb]: sounds

716

[Tina m Garcia]: agree.

717

[Robb]: like a pretty dang cool place. You get

to go and meet everyone that's ever existed.

718

[Robb]: As long as they're there, pretty

719

[Tina m Garcia]: they're

720

[Robb]: cool.

721

[Tina m Garcia]: not when they're there they're

not anyone that's the crazy thing like there's

722

[Tina m Garcia]: no bodies there you know from

when I was there there are no bodies there

723

[Tina m Garcia]: but

724

[Robb]: No,

725

[Tina m Garcia]: there's

726

[Robb]: but.

727

[Tina m Garcia]: like energy vessels maybe I

don't know if vessels is the right word but

728

[Tina m Garcia]: like there's

729

[Robb]: Maybe it is what you think it is.

730

[Tina m Garcia]: There's that.

731

[Robb]: You know?

732

[Tina m Garcia]: I like that one actually. I've

heard a lot of different ones, but I'm like,

733

[Tina m Garcia]: well, wait, maybe it's just

however we think it is. Like

734

[Robb]: Yeah,

735

[Tina m Garcia]: we

736

[Robb]: sure.

737

[Tina m Garcia]: create our own heaven and hell.

And so I always think that it's going to be

738

[Tina m Garcia]: everything I want it to be.

And then some so that I don't have to, I

739

[Robb]: Sure,

740

[Tina m Garcia]: don't want to

741

[Robb]: right,

742

[Tina m Garcia]: limit myself in that.

743

[Robb]: right, right. Yeah, I mean, I hope it's

just not a bunch of clouds with people with

744

[Robb]: harps. That wouldn't

745

[Tina m Garcia]: That would be kind

746

[Robb]: be,

747

[Tina m Garcia]: of boring.

748

[Robb]: yeah. I think maybe that is, if there

is a heaven and however you see it is how you,

749

[Robb]: that's your heaven. So maybe it is where

it's just long groves of green grass and water

750

[Robb]: and every person ever just. walking

around and you get to meet whoever you want.

751

[Robb]: Who knows, but to me that would be heaven.

You get to be around all your friends and loved

752

[Robb]: ones who passed away and get to meet

Abraham Lincoln. This cool, that would be heaven.

753

[Robb]: And obviously if there's a hell, man,

my version of hell would probably be really

754

[Robb]: bad.

755

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah, I don't want to think

as dark as you do. But

756

[Robb]: Now.

757

[Tina m Garcia]: I've known that forever.

758

[Robb]: But I think

759

[Tina m Garcia]: You can take it there.

760

[Robb]: if there is a place to punish people.

You know, there's just, and there's been bad

761

[Robb]: people here. Jeffrey Dahmer

762

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

763

[Robb]: does not deserve to walk in the pearly

gates. He deserves to get unlooped by Satan.

764

[Tina m Garcia]: Well here's the thing though,

with certain religions all he has to do is

765

[Tina m Garcia]: apologize to God. And he's

cool again. He'll be there.

766

[Robb]: That's true, but you would think, at

least in my vision, even God would have to

767

[Robb]: send the defective to the devil. Some

768

[Tina m Garcia]: He

769

[Robb]: people

770

[Tina m Garcia]: should have

771

[Robb]: don't.

772

[Tina m Garcia]: did that before they even came

here. Like...

773

[Robb]: Yeah,

774

[Tina m Garcia]: Hahaha

775

[Robb]: but then there's the, you know, that

God puts the people on the planet and gives

776

[Robb]: them free will. That's why He told you

not to sin. He gave you the

777

[Tina m Garcia]: You

778

[Robb]: directions.

779

[Tina m Garcia]: told ya, you told ya not to

do it.

780

[Robb]: He gave

781

[Tina m Garcia]: My

782

[Robb]: you

783

[Tina m Garcia]: dad

784

[Robb]: the directions.

785

[Tina m Garcia]: used to tell me not to do it,

I don't think I ever listened to him.

786

[Robb]: Yeah, you know, He gave you the directions

and if you do it, it's on you. He gave you

787

[Robb]: the free will and choice to not do those

things. So look, you know... Prayer is a powerful

788

[Robb]: thing, I think,

789

[Tina m Garcia]: For sure.

790

[Robb]: and can change your views on life and

things and push you in different directions.

791

[Robb]: Look, when things are shitty, there's

nothing wrong with asking for a little help.

792

[Robb]: You know

793

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

794

[Robb]: what I mean?

795

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

796

[Robb]: And maybe just the belief in God can

get you through.

797

[Tina m Garcia]: It has me

798

[Robb]: And to me,

799

[Tina m Garcia]: so

800

[Robb]: I think

801

[Tina m Garcia]: many times.

802

[Robb]: those are the important things about

religion.

803

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

804

[Robb]: That it can get you through shitty times,

push you and know that you're gonna be okay.

805

[Robb]: So I think that it is still a very important

thing in our society. That

806

[Tina m Garcia]: Absolutely.

807

[Robb]: I think we have lost it here in the

United States, for sure. there's a lack of

808

[Robb]: moral ground, let's say. And without

getting too deep into what we think those moral

809

[Robb]: dilemmas are in modern society, those

are for other shows I'm sure we can talk about.

810

[Robb]: But I'm sure you can read between the

lines, watch TV, look what's being pushed,

811

[Robb]: look at modern society. It's definitely

a little godless, I would say. and coming from

812

[Robb]: someone who is that you know and how

I thought, it's a scary place for sure. And

813

[Robb]: I think that, and I'm not saying that

we all need to run out to Bible study or church,

814

[Robb]: but I think that we need to step back

and look at morally where are you at, where

815

[Robb]: do you stand. And what do you want your

next generation of people to live

816

[Tina m Garcia]: and

817

[Robb]: by?

818

[Tina m Garcia]: have some higher standards,

like just for yourself in general.

819

[Robb]: Yeah, you know, and you know, I love

when people, they'll argue the fact of like

820

[Robb]: marriage and that's, I've heard someone

talk about that it was just the church, you

821

[Robb]: know, locking people in and blah, blah,

blah. And I was like, look, marriage or that

822

[Robb]: kind of thing was around far before

religion, you know, that being in some kind

823

[Robb]: of family unit. I just think that the

religion helped that along. The family unit's

824

[Robb]: important, and I think if we can keep

that together through religion, awesome. Because

825

[Robb]: that's a huge problem, I think, here.

There is no push for the family unit or having

826

[Robb]: any kind of...

827

[Robb]: push for keeping families together.

Maybe that's the thing. It's just too easy

828

[Robb]: to be independent now. People say, I

don't need this. I'll just find the next person

829

[Robb]: or go this way. Sometimes you have to

look deep and realize that the moral system

830

[Robb]: that has been put in place for thousands

of years. worked well for thousands of years.

831

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

832

[Robb]: Maybe we should step back and try to

use that as a guide again.

833

[Tina m Garcia]: I'm with you on that.

834

[Robb]: because it's a rough place out there.

Maybe we should, you know, maybe a prayer is

835

[Robb]: what we all need every blue moon, just

to realize.

836

[Tina m Garcia]: I pray a lot and I do not push,

I think you know that I don't push religion

837

[Tina m Garcia]: and

838

[Robb]: Mm-mm.

839

[Tina m Garcia]: none of that. I don't want

to talk about it. Even when I went to beauty

840

[Tina m Garcia]: school, the first, the first

chapter was you do not talk about these two

841

[Tina m Garcia]: things and it's religion and

politics. And this is why, and there was a

842

[Tina m Garcia]: test on it. I took a test

843

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

844

[Tina m Garcia]: on what not to say in beauty

school. So I really keep that stuff to myself,

845

[Tina m Garcia]: but I do believe that. that

if we have a baseline of morals and values

846

[Tina m Garcia]: that we all could follow, it

would start to change the way our world is

847

[Tina m Garcia]: going right now. And it's kind

of a scary place. Like, it's got to the point

848

[Tina m Garcia]: where I won't even watch TV

because everything on it's so scary. Everything

849

[Tina m Garcia]: on it, everything about it

has repercussions that are far beyond anything

850

[Tina m Garcia]: that my brain right now even

wants to look at. So if we don't start to get

851

[Tina m Garcia]: back to some sort of moral

ground.

852

[Tina m Garcia]: I don't want to know how we're

going to be living.

853

[Robb]: Yeah, I agree. I think that the other

thing to me is... I think we all need to stop

854

[Robb]: judging. If you wanna say, hey, this

is what I believe, cool. It's awesome, and

855

[Robb]: I think that you should. I think people

who use the word of God now get crapped on

856

[Robb]: way too much. Now it's just like, oh,

you're gonna bring that up. It's like, well,

857

[Robb]: look, again, it's worked for 1,000 years.

Let's not get too crazy about it.

858

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

859

[Robb]: And I agree with you. The moral ground

needs to be brought up a little bit more.

860

[Tina m Garcia]: When I was in Catholic school,

uh, CCD, we were taught that we were supposed

861

[Tina m Garcia]: to rejoice in the name of,

of God and everything and like to say it and

862

[Tina m Garcia]: be proud in everything. And

that didn't work in my world. Like nobody wanted

863

[Tina m Garcia]: to hear anything about it.

And nor did I want to take my personal relationship

864

[Tina m Garcia]: with God and turn it into something

for everybody to talk shit about. So, so I

865

[Tina m Garcia]: didn't go that route. But I

do know that when somebody is really struggling

866

[Tina m Garcia]: within themselves with something,

and I've said what I could say and I've been

867

[Tina m Garcia]: there, I will hold their hand

and say, you want me to pray with you? I'm

868

[Tina m Garcia]: not a prayer. I don't bring

that, I mean, you know me. I don't bring this

869

[Tina m Garcia]: stuff up, but there are times

when I don't know what to say and I don't know

870

[Tina m Garcia]: how to help and I don't know

what to do, but to have faith enough to show

871

[Tina m Garcia]: somebody that it'll be okay.

I think we all should be doing that,

872

[Robb]: I... I agree.

873

[Tina m Garcia]: that you're not lost.

874

[Robb]: Look, you have to do it, I think.

875

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

876

[Robb]: I think that's, because some people

need to be reminded that everything are gonna

877

[Robb]: be okay, and if your faith brings you

that, more power to you. It's important.

878

[Tina m Garcia]: it stops the anxiety too. Like

it really does. Like I feel sometimes that

879

[Tina m Garcia]: I get so anxious in worrying

about what is going on. That if I give it away,

880

[Tina m Garcia]: if I just say what's bothering

me, it kind of releases that energy to where

881

[Tina m Garcia]: I could function again and

not be like completely stressed out.

882

[Robb]: For sure, no, I agree with it. And again,

sometimes, look, sometimes you gotta ask for

883

[Robb]: something. And when there's no one else

listening, there's nothing wrong with looking

884

[Robb]: up and saying, hey, if you could help

me out just a little bit, I'll stop doing this,

885

[Robb]: or I'll stop doing

886

[Tina m Garcia]: I don't

887

[Robb]: that.

888

[Tina m Garcia]: say that either. God knows.

I'm

889

[Robb]: Yeah, well, that's very true, yeah,

I guess. He already knows you're not giving

890

[Robb]: that up, so.

891

[Tina m Garcia]: like, come on, you know I'm

trying here. Can we just do that?

892

[Robb]: Yeah, exactly.

893

[Tina m Garcia]: I really need you.

894

[Robb]: Right, right. Well, like that's, again,

I think it's important. So

895

[Tina m Garcia]: It

896

[Robb]: for

897

[Tina m Garcia]: is.

898

[Robb]: those who are complete atheists, I think

there's more to life than that. There's

899

[Tina m Garcia]: There

900

[Robb]: other

901

[Tina m Garcia]: is.

902

[Robb]: things out there that can help you along

your way. And for

903

[Tina m Garcia]: You

904

[Robb]: those

905

[Tina m Garcia]: know that's...

906

[Robb]: who are utterly religious, if... If

the people around you don't want to hear it,

907

[Robb]: just make sure you're giving it to the

people who do.

908

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah. And there's what we're

given on this earth is infinite. So we could,

909

[Tina m Garcia]: we can move in that direction

and not limit ourselves, or we could totally

910

[Tina m Garcia]: stay in our lane and limit

and be just fine, like, cause I think it's

911

[Tina m Garcia]: up to the individual person,

but I'm not about limits these days. So

912

[Robb]: No, no. And I think, you know, like

it's, it's, we've talked about it a bazillion

913

[Robb]: times. It's a short life.

914

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

915

[Robb]: You got to find the things that make

you happy and swoop them up and, and enjoy

916

[Robb]: every last minute of it because they

go away.

917

[Tina m Garcia]: Don't apologize for it either.

918

[Robb]: No, I agree. And on that, I think we'll

say

919

[Tina m Garcia]: Wrap it up.

920

[Robb]: good day for this episode.

921

[Tina m Garcia]: Yes.

922

[Robb]: More controversial subjects coming your

way, I'm sure. Because we like to talk about

923

[Robb]: everything. And any last words?

924

[Tina m Garcia]: Have a good week.

925

[Robb]: Yes, or have

926

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah,

927

[Robb]: a good midweek

928

[Tina m Garcia]: let's have,

929

[Robb]: since this is Wednesday.

930

[Tina m Garcia]: don't matter. You won't hear

us for a week, so have a good week.

931

[Robb]: Have a good week. I

932

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

933

[Robb]: agree with that. And this is Opinion

Show. So don't get it twisted. Keep coming

934

[Robb]: back every Wednesday and listening to

the soulful voices of Rob and Tina. Ha ha

935

[Tina m Garcia]: Hehehe

936

[Robb]: ha. All right. Make sure to check out

our socials and share this with people and

937

[Tina m Garcia]: and follow.

938

[Robb]: follow and all that fun stuff. And until

next Wednesday for my co-host, as always, Tina,

939

[Robb]: I am Rob. We'll see you in a week. Bye,

Tina.

940

[Tina m Garcia]: See ya!