How does caring for our bodies impact our overall well-being…and even our faith? In this episode, Pastor Ken sits down with Dr. Kelly Polzin, a chiropractor and nutrition advocate, to talk about physical health. Kelly shares why inflammation is such a key factor in how we feel, what role food prep can play in preventing health pitfalls, and why managing our bodies well is also a spiritual matter. Whether you’re a seasoned gym-goer or just looking to feel a bit healthier, this conversation offers practical tips and faith-driven motivation to help you steward the body God has given you.

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- All right.

Well, welcome back to the podcast.

We have been in a series

called New Year New

You on Sunday morning.

So we're teaching about

five areas of health

that are important to us as people,

but it's also important to God

and the Bible gives us both commands

and counsel, uh, in order

to grow in greater health in these areas.

And so today we're talking

about physical health. Okay.

All the gym rats are

all excited about this.

Everyone else is like, oh,

that I'm, I'm turn this off.

No, stay. Listen, even if you're

not into physical activity

or nutrition stay, it's gonna be good.

I promise you. So our guest

today is Dr. Kelly Polson.

Hey, Kelly. Hey. You're here.

- I am here. Alright.

- Well, yeah.

- Despite the weather, I'm

- Here. Yeah. It's bad today.

So you are a chiropractor by trade? Yes.

Some people say that chiropractors

aren't, aren't doctors.

I don't say that. Have you

heard that before? Just

- For 25 years, ?

- Yes.

- I've also heard, uh, wow.

You're not a quack at all.

- Okay. I've heard,

- Uh,

you're the only real doctor out there.

Yeah. So you get, you get the mix,

and it all depends on

what you've been able

to help people achieve.

- Yeah. So, but you don't

really do that too much anymore.

- I don't, I did, uh,

uh, like 20 years. Yeah.

Um, or just shy of 20 years

and I've just kind of really

refocused everything towards nutrition.

Okay. And inflammation.

- Tell me about that.

- Okay.

So I believe that I've

gone through this process

of reinvention and it,

and it's primarily out

of, been out of necessity

because what I've been observing

over the past 20 years is

that our society is just

getting less and less healthy.

And it's, um, it's something that there's

so much misinformation out there.

There's so many gurus

that are just out there

and they saw something that

worked for their cousin Eddie.

Yeah. And they think, oh,

if this worked for him,

it'll work for you.

Yeah. Let's do a cabbage

soup fast. And it's just like

- Liver king that his name

- .

Yeah. Yeah. Right. And there's

so much misinformation.

So I deal with this every

day of, of educating people

that it, it, it isn't, it

doesn't have to be as complex as

what people make it out there to believe.

Yeah. You can completely transform your

health starting with basics.

Yeah. And, and that's where I

spend my whole life now. Yeah.

Is, is really in the world of education

and intervention. Okay.

- Particularly in regards

to what we put in our body.

- What, what? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

Um, I, it's the 95 5 or

Pareto's principle of 80, 80 20.

But really 95%

of your health is gonna come

from what you put in your mouth.

Okay. Uh, I only need like

5% of your life to exercise.

Yeah. Uh, and balance hormones.

But everything else is going to

what you put into your mouth Yeah.

And the state with which you put it in.

- So that idea, or saying

that you can't out train

a bad diet, it's true

- That I use that daily.

Yeah. You'll never outrun a bad diet.

- Okay. So if I'm in the

gym three hours, you know,

doing some HIIT workouts,

lifting heavy weights,

doing some stretching,

and then I just eat, you

know, processed food,

food in a box, food that has

an expired date, you know,

in 20, you know, 28.

Right. You're telling me

that I can't work hard

enough in order to Okay.

- Never. You will never,

ever outwork that.

And, and that is, uh, the big fallacy

because you can actually

make yourself sicker.

So actually, when I take a patient in, one

of the first things I actually

take away is exercise.

Other than your daily

activities of living,

I don't want you, 99%

of my patient load comes in

massively inflamed already.

They're already dealing

with chronic inflammation.

And that can be from the gut.

Uh, non-alcoholic fatty

liver disease is one of the,

it is actually now the number one cause

of chronic liver failure in North America.

Okay. And here's the crazy

it didn't even exist. Hmm.

- It wasn't So what's going on then?

Just the way food is produced,

- The way that food is produced

and the way that we're consuming it.

Okay. And, and we're not,

we're, we're not understanding

that the body, like I have so many issues

with these like fad diets,

like the carnivore diet mm-hmm . Um,

- Just meat all the time.

- Just meat all the time. And Oh, that

- Sounds actually pretty good.

I just do that 'cause I'd want it.

- Oh, well, hey, that was the same thing

with the keto diet Right.

Or the Adkins diet. You

can live on bacon. Yeah.

And, uh, all we're seeing

is that like the guy

that created the Adkins diet, he died

of a cardiovascular event.

The guy that created

the carnivore diet, uh,

Dr. Paul Saladino last

and kudos to him.

Like seriously. He said, okay guys,

I'm letting you know I'm

not doing this anymore.

Okay. I was testing my blood work,

my blood work got worse

and worse and worse.

Now my testosterone's at an all time low

- Man working at people in the comments.

'cause people get so attached

to their diets, like, they go,

like, they, I was like paleo for a while.

Like when I, how long was that?

Eight years. It was great.

But I remember at the time

being like, no. Right.

And just being really

militant about kind of paleo.

And so I know how people can get Oh yeah.

People really find their

identity. Hate, hate mail.

- And the thing of it is, is like

- So direct that to Dr.

Kelly pollin@gmail.com.

Is that actually email? Pretty

- Close actually. Okay. ,

- Thanks. My bad.

- Uh, yeah, no, I see,

I see that all the time.

Everybody becomes very myopic

and uh, you know, they believe

that what they're doing,

given them by some guru Yep.

Is the, the solution.

And the fact is that what works for me

will not work necessarily for you

because we have different blood chemistry,

we have different histories,

we have different medication use,

we've been through different things.

Yeah. We've had different expo

exposures environmentally,

uh, and, and otherwise.

And if we don't address you

as an individual, how can I cuss?

How, how can I tell you what

to do if I don't know

what you've done? Yeah.

- Okay. I, I wanna pick up

on something that you said.

You said when people come

to see you, you ask them

to stop exercising.

Yeah. Is that

because it's just too hard

to maintain discipline in

all these different areas?

Is it just so they can focus

and be disciplined sort

of in this, this one area?

Because discipline isn't a

never ending resource. Right.

And so I can say no to a donut

at in the breakfast. Right.

But eight o'clock it's a lot

harder to say no to a donut.

Is that sort of the idea? Or,

or what's behind that? Not at

- All.

Oh, great. This, this

is it right here. Okay.

So if your body can only

manage so much stress,

which is 90, like I said, 90%

of our patient base comes in,

in a chronically inflamed state.

Okay. So everything creates inflammation.

Now not all inflammation is bad,

but your body has to deal

with all inflammation, whether

that's chronic or acute.

But if your bucket is already

like right to the top mm-hmm .

Full of inflammation,

you can't add any more

inflammation to that bucket.

- Okay. So

- The first thing we wanna do is reduce

the inflammation in the body.

And that usually takes

between minimum 28 days,

but up to 45, even 60,

depending on your state.

And as the bucket starts to empty,

and we can reduce systemic inflammation,

now adding something that's acute to it,

which promotes healing,

we'll benefit the body huge.

But anytime that we implement

something too early,

like I think fasting is a great example

because everybody thinks

fasting is the answer.

And fasting can be great

if you do it with a lot

of knowledge and you do it

in a healthy body. Yeah. So

- We're not talking about

the spirit of discipline

of fasting in order to

No, no. We're talking about different,

- We're talking about like, again,

- Physical health based fasting.

- Right. The, the gurus that are like, oh,

intermittent fasting is the answer.

Uh, it could be the

answer for some people,

but it's not for a lot.

- I looked into it one time

and it wasn't actually too long

ago just as like a challenge

for something to do.

- And it - Was way too

complicated. It was way too hard.

I was like, nah, it's too, too hard. .

- And it doesn't have to be hard. Yeah.

It, in fact, I I firmly believe

after 20 years in this world

that the simpler you make something,

the more reproducible it is

and the easier it is to get compliance.

Yeah. If I make, it's so

complicated that you have to climb

to the top of Mount Newell

for the eye of Newt Yeah.

And make a stew. You're

not doing that. Sure. Yeah.

Like, maybe once. Right? Yeah.

But not as a regular lifestyle.

And until we start

addressing lifestyle changes,

we're never gonna get

people back towards health.

- Okay. So this is your, this

is sort of your expertise.

And I know there's, even

within me, I I, I kind

of feel like I understand inflammation,

but if you could, you know,

um, how would you describe it?

What is it exactly and why is it so bad?

- Okay, so you have,

and I'm gonna do my best

to paint this as a picture.

Yeah. You have, uh, between 13

and 30 trillion cells in your body.

They're all made up of

a bilipid layer of fat.

So fat is the cell

membrane in every single

one of the cells in your body.

When you have ultra

processed foods, for example,

you're actually inflaming

the cell membrane.

Now there's some awesome work

done by, uh, Dr. Bruce Lipton

that was discussing that the importance

of the cell membrane will dictate the

overall level of your health.

Because if we lose cell

membrane permeability,

you can't get nutrients

from the extracellular

space into the cell.

So you can have all kinds of,

uh, you know, good proteins

and carbohydrates

and, uh, minerals that are

in the extracellular space,

but you can't get 'em in the cell

because the cell membrane

is actually inflamed.

Okay. But also

that cell membrane can't

get waste products out.

So the cell actually sits

in its own kind of sludge

- Junkiness. Yeah.

- And now if you take that and you stole,

- It's like a kid in their

diapers and never gets changed.

- I've never used that analogy, but

- Probably 'cause it's bad.

But anyway, ,

- But yes, it exactly.

Um, and it's just, it's

a, it's an environment

that the body can't heal in.

Okay. So you become so inflamed.

And if you look at this,

I love to use the gut

as the primary example of that

because if you inflame the gut, uh,

your gut is your first line

of defense in your immune

system, your gut is

produces 95% of your serotonin

that the brain requires

to experience the emotion of happiness.

So serotonin is a, is a beautiful example

because once the gut lining

is inflamed, which can happen

through a myriad of different things,

even like if you're

stressed when you're eating,

you can create inflammation in the gut.

When that gut lining is inflamed,

your body can't produce the,

uh, the chemicals, the hormones

that the body requires

for proper function.

Okay. So I look at this really simple

because I like to make

everything as simple as possible.

You take care of your liver,

you take care of your gut,

and you take care of your pancreas,

and you can make massive,

huge changes in how the body functions.

- Fascinating. That's really

fascinating. I'd love to know.

Um, so clearly you know what

you're talking about in this,

and did I hear that the chemical response

that makes us happy happens in our

tummies . So our tummies make us happy. .

- Yeah. So, so I am like really,

really passionate about hormones.

Okay. And I'm really

passionate about proteins.

- I got a teenager. So, um,

I I am not very passionate

about hormones right now. So I

- Think you, you're very passionate about

hormone balance. Yes.

- That's true.

- Right?

Because when people's,

and you're gonna see if you start,

like when you start coming

down this rabbit hole,

you just see it all across North America.

Men with low testosterone, women are out

of whack with their hormones.

And they'll, most of them

know that men are obtuse

and don't Sure.

Uh, and they don't seek care,

which is mind blowing to,

but we sedate ourselves so much

that we sometimes are unaware of it.

However, when we start to

balance those hormones and,

and people don't

understand, you are made up

of literally 140,000 different proteins.

So that makes up your skin, your muscles,

your organs, your bones.

That's all proteins. And

about 50 different hormones.

Hormones are coming from primarily fat.

So if you balance the proteins

and you get a proper amino

acid profile into the body,

and you balance the minerals

through carbohydrates,

and then you balance the fats,

the body will respond beautifully.

And it does it predictably.

Which is the best part.

Because now you can say, I have

a very, very high likelihood

that if we take those three things

and we balance them, your body's

gonna respond beautifully.

- Well, thanks. I'd love to

know what, was there something

that happened in your life that got you

interested in physical health?

Not necessarily kind of got

health where you're now,

but just, okay, so here's

when I first met you,

I was teaching the new

believers course, I believe

that was last spring. Spring

- Was last January

- Last.

Okay. So winter 2024. So

a year ago. A year ago.

So, which you're, you're a

fresh Christian. You're fresh .

- Well,

- I'm fresh back. Okay. Fresh back.

Fresh back back. So I met

you in the New Years course,

and I remember I was giving

a talk about the Preto

principle, actually you just talked about,

and in regards to spiritual health, uh,

we were talking about how do we

grow in our relationship with Jesus.

And, uh, what I was talking

about is there was three things.

If you did these three

things, then you're gonna get,

you know, 95% the way there.

There's other things you can

do, but there's three things.

And so then I likened

it to physical health

where if you did these

three things, you are,

you're gonna be okay.

And so I talked about the big three.

I was about to talk about the big three,

but then I looked over at you and I saw

that you were jacked, and I

was kinda like, I bet you,

you know what the big three are.

Do you remember what I, I told her,

okay, so what are the big three?

- Sleep, eat, and move. All right there,

- It's sleep, eating, and move.

Right? And so anyway, if you're wondering

what the spiritual big

three are, it was get your,

but in church, I've never met a maturing

Christian who doesn't come to church.

Right. That's sort of the, the prime one.

Second one would be Bible

and, and prayer. Right?

Those are the, the key

spiritual disciplines to know

what God has said and to be

able to speak with him, uh,

and spiritual community,

to to be with other people,

to help hold you accountable,

to help encourage you.

Those are the big three. If you did those

three things, you'll be okay.

You can do all these other things.

You can go on these spiritual treat,

you could do all these different things.

But if you concentrated

those three things anyway, so

that's when I first met you and,

and talked about physical health.

So I knew before even really

having a conversation about it,

that you were, uh,

prioritizing physical health in your life.

So what got you into it?

- Oh, gee. Okay.

Well, so I mean, obviously it's

been my profession, but, um,

and, and like with full transparency,

it's not like I haven't

fallen away from it.

But the more that the more that I lose

lost control in my life,

the more that I found

that there's very few

things I can control.

I can control what I eat, you

know, I can control if I move

or not, and I can control my

prayer and everything else.

I don't find that I have

that control over. Yeah.

So when I, when I really

- Is that's scary or

freeing to realize that

- It both Yeah.

100%. Like, um, very freeing to know that.

'cause I would say I would be a little bit

of a self-proclaimed control freak.

I, I don't know if other

people would say that.

Probably my kids might agree with me.

But, um, yeah, I mean, I, I, there's

so few things in my life that

I actually have control over

that I really only isolated down.

Like, you, you, you strike me

as someone who's really always

had your stuff together.

And I know that we all

go in our dark places,

but I know for myself, I've been in

some, some pretty dark places.

And when I'm in my darkest,

darkest place, truly can.

That's all I can control.

I can't, I can't, I can't

control my mood. Yeah.

I can't control my, my feelings.

I can't control the

world of the environment.

Uh, I, I can't control any of that,

but I can control what I put in my mouth.

Mm-hmm . I can control if I

get in my butt into the gym

and actually just shake myself.

Yeah. And I can control when

I read out to God. Okay.

- So when, when did you figure that out?

'cause that's not something an

18-year-old generally figures

out, no offense to 18 year olds.

But that's not generally something

you figure out when you're young.

That's something that life has to kind

of knock you down a few

times to figure that out.

So was that recently?

- I would say in my, my, my,

in my darkest times would've

been, um, probably in the like,

I dunno, 2015.

2000. Okay. 14. Yeah. Yeah.

And I didn't have a relationship anymore.

I, I felt like I'd burnt

that bridge with God.

So I literally only had

food and exercise. Okay.

That, that's all I had left.

I didn't have that ability

to reach out. So, so

- What was that like when

that was all you had?

Did you feel like, um, yeah.

Did you, did you sense that

you were longing for God?

You know, Augustine writes in

his, um, book The Confessions,

this really famous prayer

that our hearts are restless

until they find rest in him.

That idea, Ecclesiastes three 11, right.

That, um, we, God has set

our hearts for eternity.

And so that, or sees Lewis, you know,

he says if there's something

that we long for that is not

of this world, then the

most likely reason is

because we're made for another world.

Right. That's, these are

all these kind of ideas,

same ideas, that there's

just something more.

And so our bodies matter.

That's why we're talking

about this. And you know,

I'm preaching a message on the

theology of the body this, this weekend.

And so I know that our bodies matter.

Um, but there is something

more. Did you sense

that

- ?

It's, it's, uh, you just

totally resonated with me

because, um, prior to,

I would say 24 months ago,

I, I was, I self-proclaimed

as somebody with a restless heart.

I could never find peace.

And it was the one thing that

it's been searching for since,

you know, the mid two thousands

or like, like that a

thousand fiveish or whatever.

And no matter what I

ever achieved, no matter

what I ever did, I was

always had no peace.

Mm-hmm . Uh, so I would blow it up.

I would achieve something

and blow it up. Yeah.

I would create something and blow it up.

And it wasn't, it was

relationships. It was business.

It was, yeah. You name it.

So, so then what brought

- You to Christ second time?

- Um, I, my daughter and

I were on a trip in Peru,

and we're not supposed to

cry on this. Are we ? We can

- Edit that out.

ai. We can just put a smile. Yeah. It's

- Smiling face over my head.

That'd be great. Uh, so

we were on a trip in Peru,

and we were about five days in,

and she we're in a hotel somewhere.

I don't even remember

what town we were in,

but we, she kneels down

on her knees before bed

and she's praying and I was,

you know, whatever I was doing,

reading a book or something.

And I looked over and I said,

how long have you been doing that?

So this was, she's nine, so she was 17.

She just finished high school. Yeah.

And she's like, since I

was 13 and I was mortified.

So I'm in this kind of a process now

where I'm really determining

where my self-worth comes from.

Mm-hmm. And a lot of my

self-worth comes from my, the,

my ability to be a dad.

And I was mortified that

I was that bad of a dad,

that my daughter had

been preying on her knees

and bedtime for five years,

and I didn't know that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She did

that every night. Yeah. Wow.

But it was beautiful because

it completely changed the

entire course of the next

three weeks together.

And all we did was walk together and talk

and talk about Christ and talk about,

and she's, she on that

trip said, I'm going

to church with grandpa and grandma.

Yeah. And I'm like, you should do that.

That'll be great for

your relationship. Yeah.

And so the first, they literally,

that we got back at the

beginning of August,

and she was in church that next weekend.

And so they phoned me and Was

that at Hope City? Oh, yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Uh, this church is remarkable.

Um, so they come and they phone me

and they're like, Hey,

are you coming to church this morning?

And I'm like, ah, no, I'm not,

but you guys have a good time.

Yeah. And then they called

me for b from the, they went

for breakfast afterwards,

and they're like,

well, come for breakfast.

And I said, yeah, next time.

And I, I thought it was

like a one, maybe a two

and done type of a in

and out by, by the third Sunday

of them calling me saying,

Hey, come for breakfast.

I was like, well, I'm

missing breakfast, man.

So I said, next Sunday I'll come.

And that was like September 1st

came into the building

and I was home. Okay.

- Wild. And now, I mean, I'm

sure you've missed him Sunday.

Oh yeah. You went golfing that

one Sunday, you missed it. .

But you're here, like you are. I'm in,

- I'm here.

Yeah. I, um, I went, oh man.

So within a, about three

months of attending regularly,

I was, um, I was in a worship session

and I, uh, I literally

had this sensation that

I had God come down

and touch me on the right shoulder

and just say, welcome home.

Wow. And I, I, I cried

so hard for like,

I know it was 35 minutes.

And, and Gabby my youngest,

she was standing behind me,

beside me, and she'd never,

I don't think she'd ever

seen me cry before ,

but I, I mean, it was uncontrollable.

I could not stop. I was just sobbing.

And, uh, she puts her hand on my shoulder

and she was like, Hey, you okay

man,

- .

Yeah. Well, you know,

I know both your daughter

and they're both fantastic.

And Katie, uh, your older girl

is in our ministry school,

so I get to sit her and,

and, uh, in a classroom sit

with her every Thursday.

And she really is a remarkable young lady.

And God has, uh, I mean,

she's on fire for the Lord.

Like she's someone that when

you're around, you cannot help

but be drawn into Christ.

She's wild. Yeah. And so I,

yeah. That's awesome. Yeah.

Good for you. . Okay.

So you have this whole life and history

and expertise in this area of health.

You have this remarkable, you know, come

to Jesus moment, right? .

And so how has, how has

your fa your faith, um,

either changed or affected

the way that you, um,

look at physical health?

Or has it, you

- Know what, it totally has, because

what I've seen in myself,

so in those dark times, um,

I don't think it would be

unreasonable to assume, to assume

that, uh, many people who go

through the dark times turn

to something to sedate

the feelings of darkness.

And so, um, my drug of

choice at the time was, uh,

alcohol and cigars.

And, um, it was,

it was like my nightly thing,

and I could sedate away

just about, about anything.

However, there's a lot

of consequences to that

besides the physical side,

is it doesn't allow you to,

um, experience what you need

to experience to create change.

And so a lot of those times

of the protocols that I did

to start the healing process

was specifically 100% just

for like, holy crap, I'm

supposed to be healthy.

I preach health, and now

this is what I'm doing.

And so there was, um, a lot of hypocrisy

for myself internally there.

And so I did a lot of things

to alter the outcomes,

to get rid of fatty liver, to

get rid of, you know, what,

um, the health issues that come with that.

And in the last say

24 months, I've done a lot more.

'cause that's, I my passion.

I continue to, to, to go into the world.

But doing it with Christ in mind

just changes everything.

Okay. It's so much easier. Right.

It's not, it's not a, a, a

discipline of willpower anymore.

Yeah. It's not like I

have to say, oh, come on.

And, and those times when you

feel like you're gonna quit

or feel like you wanna

break down are just, I mean,

you know, it's so much easier

to know that you're doing it

and it's not just for

some stupid, you know,

number on a blood test mm-hmm.

Or something like that.

Like, it's actually like,

there's a discipline, there's

a relationship between you.

There's a, there's a, even

in a level of accountability,

just because you said

you were gonna do it,

- I really do like what you said there.

'cause I think you have figured

something out that a lot

of people haven't when it

comes to the relationship

between their faith and their body.

Um, oftentimes there is

this dualism at play within

people that is not new.

Right. It's not, you know,

just 21st century Canada,

the ancient Greeks had a

version of dualism, you know,

ancient, uh, Christian

heresies all with this dualism,

which just pitted kind

of our inner man against our outer man.

You could say, our soul

against the body. You know?

Now in our current culture,

there is still this

pitting against our soul,

against our body called

person head theory,

which is this idea that

the bottom realm, uh,

our body is not important.

Just raw material, just

a biological organism

that really doesn't, it's

not intrinsically valued.

It's not what it means to be human.

Then you have this upper part

of you, which is your person,

which is your moral

agency, your, uh, capacity

for cognitive activity.

That's where your value is.

And your only, um,

of ethical significance if

you've met a set of criteria,

whether that is cognitive capacity is

or ability of self-awareness

or moral agency.

And then you are a real human

being once you've met that.

And so, because our bodies

don't really matter,

what really matters is our inner man.

And so you have to earn the status

of personhood in our culture.

Right. Which has, has very,

it's far reaching implications,

but again, it's this

new version of dualism.

And within a church, we would

say something like this where,

you know, first Timothy four for, um,

physical training is of some value.

Mm-hmm . And when we hear that, we say,

we hear physical trainings of no value, .

Right? So physical training

gives us some value,

but godliness has a value in all things.

And so we'll take this

idea of like, well, okay,

our bodies don't matter then.

Um, but that's just not true

because Genesis one,

God created all matter,

including the pinnacle

of his creation is masterpiece,

which is human beings.

And said, it's very good.

Your ear lobes, your thumbs,

your kneecaps. It's very good.

You know, the God who made

you know great barrier Reef in

Australia, or the Victoria

Falls, you know, in Zambia,

he also made, you know, my nose right.

And he said that it was good,

even if I don't like it, right?

He said it was good, so I

better learn to love it.

And not even that, he still heals us.

Well, why does he heal us if

our body doesn't matter? Right?

Because we do believe that when we

pray in faith, God still heals.

Not all the time, but

lots of times he does.

It's his heart to heal. And

then in the incarnation,

Jesus takes on a human body.

And this was an offense to

everybody in first century.

This is what set Christianity

apart from everything else,

because for God to take on

flesh, that's like corruption,

that God would never do that.

And so that's why agnostics believed

that Jesus only appeared in the flesh,

but he wasn't actually human

because God would never do that.

Because being a human is a prison,

and salvation is getting outta your body.

And then we got the resurrection.

So the resurrection of Jesus

Christ just blows this idea out

of the water that our bodies don't matter

because Jesus incarnated

in the flesh dies.

He's put in a tomb and he

comes back from the dead.

And what does he have?

He still has a body.

And one of the first, first,

uh, encounters that Jesus has,

his disciples in Luke 24, he asked

for a snack like he's actually hungry.

The resurrected Jesus has a

body, and he asked for a snack.

And the promise is that he's

in one Corinthians uh, 15,

that Jesus is the first

fruits of the resurrection of the dead.

Meaning it's what happened to

Jesus is gonna happen to us.

So our bodies matter.

And then in one Corinthians

six 20, um, Paul says,

honor God with your bodies.

And why? Because you're

a temple of Holy Spirit

and you're bought with a price.

So God cares about our bodies,

but our goal as Christians

isn't to love our body.

That's not our goal. And that

might be pop culture's kind

of goal to love your body.

That's sort of an assumed

place for Christians

where it's like, well, you

love it because a loving God

lovingly gifted it to you.

And so you love it for

that reason, the way

a child might love a wonderful

present from their parents.

Right. But that's not the goal.

The goal is to love God

with your body. Right.

How do I honor God with this gift?

And you steward that well, so

that's why nutrition matters,

and exercise matters and sleep matters

and proper sex matters, right.

And hygiene matters. Right.

Brush those teeth for the Lord, right.

As an act of gratitude to God.

And so that's sort of that idea

that you stumbled upon, right.

That you kind of figured

out. And so that's awesome.

- Yeah. I would say to that, to add

my little distinction to that,

because like everything

you just said was like 100%

congruent with me, is that I found

that the body and the

brain people segment them.

Mm. And they're, there's there, they're,

there can't be a segment.

Mm-hmm . How you treat your body

is how you treat your brain.

Mm-hmm . And when you

pray, how can you connect

to God if a, you've got all

these health ailments, um,

that are, you know, oh, I can't kneel

'cause I can't bend my knees

as a very lame example.

Um, but if you haven't protected

your brain, if, uh, okay,

so let me take a little left turn here.

Mm-hmm . Type three diabetes

- I ever heard of type three.

- Okay. So I have been

preaching type three diabetes

since 2012.

Okay. Alzheimer's has

recently been classified,

and you can Google this, please

do to type three diabetes.

So it's unmanaged, unregulated

blood sugars for long periods

of time affect brain function.

And this is not new information,

but how hard is it

to pray if you don't have

cognitive processing?

Sure. Yeah. Right.

So I look at that, like,

if I could give myself some

advice earlier on in my life,

it would've been don't disconnect.

Those two. Don't think that

a set of pushups is just for,

you know, arms and chest.

Yeah. It's not that way.

You are doing things

because of what it does

to your body and your brain.

These are connected units

and if you want to pursue,

and I think that that's

been my biggest thing, is

that if I wanna pursue

Christ on a level that,

that I believe I'm here to do,

I have to take care of this,

to take care of this so that I can do

what God's calling me to do.

- Yeah. You know, Jesus, Jesus

says, out of the overflow,

out of your heart, your

mouth speaks this idea that

you can't disconnect the two.

When you sin, what's sins?

You know, is it your hand that sins right?

Or is it something else?

I mean, the reality is, is

that you can't slice and dice people up.

Now, the Bible does talk about

bodies and souls and spirits

and flesh, and they use all these terms,

but they're not doing it in

the way that, that, um, we tend

to do it now, which we

try to downplay, right.

The body as like the

whatever and everything.

And the soul is the only thing

that matters is you can't,

you can't disembody, um,

your soul from your flesh.

You just can't do that. And so the,

maybe the very most simplest

Christian theological

definition of a human

being is an embodied soul.

Right. If God wanted to make

you like an angel, I mean,

you'd be ghosting it up right

now, right? , he already did

that

- .

- So, you know, that's a,

that's this wonderful thing

of the body that God has gifted us.

And to recapture that

gift and honor it, right?

The goal of this podcast or teaching this

or whatever, is not to

win Ironman races, right?

The goal is not to be, you know, jacked.

That's not the goal. The goal

is just to, whatever it is.

And it could be, again, hygiene.

It could be work, it could be rest.

Rest is part of your body

that we don't take very seriously, right?

That's, uh, one decalogue

commandment, right?

In the 10 commandments.

Everybody's like, eh,

it's not really for us anymore.

Right? And that's, that

has to do with our body.

And so we can honor God

with our body through rest.

We can honor God with our

body for prone to slot

or laziness through work, right?

There's all these different

ways that we can honor Lord

with our body, not just

through what we eat.

Now, I'll say this chocolate

cake, I think that might be in heaven, .

So would you say never sugar? Never.

- No, that's not, that's

exactly what I'd say.

Do not do that. Okay. Because

- Remember, everyone's like breathing.

They're like, oh, thank,

no, thank goodness.

- At the beginning I said, it's

what you put in your mouth.

Yeah. But it's also the state

with which you put it in.

Flush that out a little

bit. Okay. Get it flush. So,

- Great example,

- Let's say you

and I go out to my

favorite restaurant Yeah.

And I'm What is

- Your favorite restaurant?

- Uh, don't

- Say like Freshy or something like that.

- No,

- It's no offense, if you're watching ,

- It's probably gonna be, uh,

Ruth Chris, right? Oh, okay.

- Yeah. Yeah. I've never been,

- Uh, they just, it's

super overpriced. Yeah.

- That's probably why I've never

Yeah.

- .

Yeah. Um, you do make a

pretty good steak. Okay?

And any good steakhouse though

is where you'd find me. Okay.

So yeah, I'm sitting down and

I'm gonna have this stake,

and I get halfway through

this beautiful, you know,

18 ounce porterhouse, and

then we get in a fight, okay?

And it's a pretty heated fight.

The second that we start that argument

and it, my emotions

elevate, digestion stops.

Hmm. And that stake,

and let's say it's in towards

the, in, in the evening,

and then I go home and

I'm seething over this

and I go to bed, that steak

won't start digestion again

until I actually go to sleep.

And now I'm gonna be

digesting all night long,

which is not where you wanna be.

You don't wanna be

digesting all night long.

Uh, so digestion is

indirect correlation to

how your brain's functioning.

So the, the gut is actually

called your second brain.

And these two communicate

back and forth all the time.

And that, that connection will

directly determine your overall health

and the state at which the gut

is able to produce enzymes.

So think of it like if you are

eating food and you're guilty

and like, you know, you're having a cake

and you're like, oh, I shouldn't be

eating this, but I'm eating it.

Yeah. You're not even digesting it. Okay.

You're not even pulling

the goodness outta that.

- So feeling guilty feeling

- Is

- Actually worse when

you're eating it. Right?

- Okay. Just enjoy it. Yeah.

And that's why I say protos

principle works so beautiful,

because truly I can show

you a method where 80%

of your life, you can

just live and enjoy it,

but you gotta do 20% of

the work to get there.

Yeah. Right. Get yourself healthy

and then maintenance is easy.

Mm-hmm . And it's truly about being able

to just live in a balance.

And I, and I, I, my, one

of my things is always,

always delay. Don't deny.

- What do you mean

- You, how old are your kids?

- Uh, 13, 10, and seven.

- Okay. They, that's a good gap. Yeah.

So do they eat the cake at the beginning

of the meal or at the

end of the meal? Well,

- So Harper, my 7-year-old

will sneak some at the

beginning, but generally after.

- Okay. Well, she's after

my heart. Yeah. Yeah.

I, I like dessert first too.

But as a kind of an example,

typically you would wanna wait,

so you would want in, in terms

of actually we're actually

doing an intervention with Harper.

We would make sure that

she has her protein first

because there is a 100% hormone response,

depending on the nutrient that

you put in your mouth first.

- Okay. Wild. So if you got a plate,

it actually matters the order.

- Oh my gosh. It matters

so much, dude, that

- Stresses me out.

- It doesn't stress you out. It

simplifies

- .

It does. Okay. It simplifi

- Ha ha ha.

Because when you understand

that the body works in very,

very simplistic ways.

Yeah. You would never say,

for example, I'm gonna get a,

you're gonna get lots of people

angry with this, but Okay.

Like to sit down and

have a bowl of bananas

and berries, for example.

Yeah. You're setting yourself

up for hormone dysregulation

for hours after that.

Okay. We would never do that.

We would always want

to be starting the entire

digestive process with protein.

- Why is that?

- Because it alt,

it slows the digestion down.

Okay. And it slows the insulin response.

So remember I said there's

three things we have to always,

always be just aware of.

Liver, gut, pancreas, pancreatic rest is

how we massively change metabolic issues

and metabolic issues.

If you haven't heard of

it yet, in fact, cool.

Kind of cool. Uh, they're,

remember I mentioned

non-alcoholic fatty liver disease?

Yeah. In 2023.

They're putting forth, uh, to rename it

as a metabolic issue

because it's more

consistent with the cause

of non-alcoholic fatty liver

disease than what people like.

People don't understand what that means.

They understand that

they have fatty liver,

but they don't understand it didn't have

anything to do with alcohol.

Mm-hmm . It presents almost

identically, but it's

because of the fact

that the liver is starting to retain fat.

And we want to change that.

And we can do that with, uh, balancing

and removing some of

the toxins, obviously,

but then balancing the hormone

responses in the body with a,

a protein first approach.

- So if I can recap

Yes. The chocolate cake,

- Yes.

To chocolate cake. Have

- A chicken breast first ,

- And have your chicken cake and

- Have your chocolate cake, uh,

- As like you delay it.

Okay. So obviously chocolate

cake every day would not be

something that I would recommend.

Yeah. But my, my like reward

for a great week of, you know,

training and, and eating well

and sleeping good would

be, uh, a, a nice steak

with some roasted vegetables.

Uh, six ounce glass of cab

sauce. Yeah. And some cheesecake.

Okay. And I'm like, literally, I've like,

I've reached the pinnacle Yeah.

Enjoyment in that moment because

I've delayed my gratitude.

I've delayed my pleasure to a

point where it's not denial.

'cause I know I'm gonna have it. Mm-hmm .

But I'm gonna have it when I plan it.

Not just random, not just coming

home and eating a bag of m

and ms 'cause I'm sitting on the couch

or a half a tub of Haagen

dos 'cause Netflix is on.

Mm-hmm. That's, that's not delay.

- Right. And it is, it is such

a challenge, you know, um,

you know, you hear it

when I hear you say it.

Yeah. But you walk into a grocery store

and you see the prices on

a box of processed food.

Right. Three bucks for, you

know, a 24 pack of Oreos

or something like that, you know,

and $10 for a chicken breast.

It just seems that it

is really difficult, um,

to succeed in this way.

Just the way that things

are sort of set up.

Of course, it's prices. And

- So my response to that is,

you'll be shocked how

little you actually need

to eat when you're filling the body

with the nutrients it requires.

So our society is massively

overfed, but undernourished.

Okay. And if we change that

and we massively nourish

you, you'll be shocked

how little your body actually requires.

Okay. So, yeah.

You know what, chicken breast

is stupid expensive steak

off the charts.

Yeah. Uh, vegetables. You can

still get a ton of vegetables.

Uh, fresh fruit. Yeah. That's expensive.

But, you know, really don't

need much fresh, fresh fruit.

It's more like a treat anyways.

Um, so limiting fresh fruit, uh,

and again, that goes against

all the gurus and influencers.

Oh, I eat healthy.

If you ate healthy, you

wouldn't have all the health

conditions you have because

the body's designed to heal.

And we just wanna put it in an

environment we'll allow

it to do that. Yeah.

- So this weekend when we're

talking about physical health,

you know, I'm just trying to

help people take one step.

Yeah. To where, 'cause

it's, it's, it's just,

it can be really daunting

for so many people.

Um, it really is.

Especially when they realize

that they are really deconditioned

or, um, their habits are just,

I mean, if they get a piece

of fruit in a day, that's,

that's, it's just not part

of their, their patterns.

And so maybe, maybe they've

made it this far , uh,

if you have, and that's you well done.

Uh, what is, what is one piece of advice

that you give someone if

they're in that place?

Just to, just to move forward?

- The simplest thing I can really say is

start reading labels.

Okay. Like, so,

and the further you go down

the, the easier it gets.

Like, if you can have a

single ingredient food,

you're on a really good start.

Okay. Single ingredient food.

If it's got a ton of ingredients like

- Nutella.

Right. That's one ingredient. .

No, I think if you read

the actual ingredients,

you're gonna find there's a lot of, uh oh.

So not like the big part of

the label, the small part,

- The little part Right.

That it has. Right. Um,

but if you start reading

those, uh, my kind

of rule is try to limit it to four.

So if, and if, if something

has four ingredients

and you can pronounce them all,

it's probably pretty good place to start.

But if it has 30 ingredients

and you don't know any of, any

of them other than canola oil, yeah.

- It's probably not as,

- It's probably gonna just create a

massive inflammatory storm in your body.

Great. So truly simplicity

will rule the day.

With regards to nutrition,

you keep it simple.

You stay away from packaged foods.

And I know that that's hard,

but you know what, I, I, I would,

I would say this one thing,

if you could do anything

that would make the biggest

change in your life,

the biggest change in your

life, do some food prep.

Okay. Don't come home to a house

that you don't know what

you're gonna eat. Okay. So

- Tell me, what does your food prep look

- Like?

Well, my food prep is fun. Okay. Okay.

Because it should be fun. Okay.

It's just, I either put on some music

and I dance around while I'm doing it,

or I throw on a football game.

Or like, I, I, I don't just sit there

and, you know, uh, I actually think about

what I'm doing when I'm doing it.

Or I'll, like, I'll try to make it fun.

I'll, uh, I get my kids involved.

Like sometimes we'll all set up that table

and we'll just all do it around the

table and we'll just talk.

Right. Um,

but I, I don't want to, I

don't wanna make it a pain.

I don't wanna make it that I'm suffering.

But my food prep is the sim and,

and again, I really hold

simplicity in a high regard.

So for me, I take three proteins.

I barbecue two of them

and bake the third. Okay.

While those are cooking,

I take four to six of my

favorite vegetables

and I just cut them up

into finger length sizes

and I bake those for 23

minutes, uh, with some lightly

or lightly salted and

peppered, um, uh, seasonings.

Yeah. Uh, no mixed spices.

- Do you use oil? Do you use olive oil? I

- Use uh, avocado oil.

- Avocado oil. - Avocado oil.

Yeah. And that's, that's it.

I can get everything done

for a whole week in literally

two and a half hours.

- Okay.

- So that's a good movie.

- Do you do, uh, is

that just lunches? Is

that dinners as well?

- That for me is, I will

generally in my world, I will skip

or I will have nuts and

seeds for breakfast.

Mm-hmm . So that's lunch and supper. Okay.

- So I've, I just in, uh,

automatically meal prep every week.

It just been probably for

about 10 or eight years.

I always eat the same thing

for breakfast every day,

so I don't have to think about it.

Right. And then simplicity. Yeah.

And so, unless sometimes I get avocados

and it's always special in

the morning, but usually

it's the same breakfast.

And then , you can ask

any of my coworkers,

I make chili every Monday.

'cause Monday's my day

off for the entire week.

And I eat chili every

single lunch. And I love it.

It's like the favorite part of my day.

It's like, like, ooh, chili tab .

I don't think the rest of my

coworkers like it very much,

but I just love chili.

And I know a lot of people can't do that.

They're just like, I can't

eat the same thing every day.

And then I meal plan all of

my dinners. So I don't prep.

I plan all of my dinners.

So on the last day of the

month, I sit down with my wife

and we look at kind of our work schedule

and who's working nights and is my kin.

If, if kin's working at night,

then we make sure we

have enough leftovers.

But then we just plot in every

night what we're going to eat.

And then it's nice

because we're not thinking

about, you know, if I'm, so,

let's say today I didn't have a meal plan

and I'm not gonna go home

and make, let's say salad.

Right. I'm just not gonna do that.

But if on the meal plan

it says Cobb salad,

then I just know all day

that's what I'm having tonight.

Right. And there's something

about it that's, you kind

of take the emotion out of it.

And so it's really great

'cause then you could prep beforehand

and you have the

ingredients that you need.

And so I've been doing that for

years, like years these years.

And when I don't do that,

let's say there's a day that,

you know, things get screwed up and,

and we don't have a plan.

It like stresses me out.

And meal, meal time can be really hard

for people. It is stressful.

- It, it 100% is stressful.

So I have so many like single

moms and, uh, as, as patients

and, and I get it.

'cause I've been there, and

if you don't have a plan in

place, it's a gong show.

It's the most stressful time

of the day that in bedtime.

Right. It's like, ah, it's

like crazy time. Yeah.

But it doesn't have to be that way.

It can like, two hours is all it takes

to set yourself up for

success for the week.

Yeah. And I'm like, it's just,

and when you're kids, so

that's a big deal for me.

But when your kids are

home and they're alone

and they open the fridge and

all there is is, you know,

vegetables, some protein Right.

And some cheese or

whatever. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

There's just not, there was

like, ah, I gotta eat this.

Yeah. But you know what?

They're not gonna make something separate

because they're always .

Yeah. So they will eat what

you've already made. Yeah.

Which is a fantastic place

- To be. Yeah. Yeah.

- That's good. So if you

do a kitchen clean sweep

and you throw out everything

or donate rather, uh, things

that have multiple ingredients

that you don't understand

and you start kind

of on a fresh slate and you

start doing the meal prep stuff.

Yeah. It, it, it is life

changing in the family.

- Okay. I actually wanna

ask you about one thing

before we close here.

It's about popcorn. Okay.

I actually don't know.

I, I actually don't know if I want

to know what you think about that.

'cause if you ruin this for

me, popcorn's like my thing,

- Then you shouldn't Yeah.

- Okay. I'm not gonna ask

you . No, I'm not asking.

Ignorance truly is a blessing.

- Right. Ignorance

- Is s there are some

lines, I'm just not willing to cross. The

- Emotion that you eat with it Yeah.

Is really important. So some

things you don't want to know.

- Yeah. I don't wanna know. . Yeah. Okay.

So where could people find you

if they wanna learn a little

bit more about what you do or learn a

little bit more about nutrition?

- Um, I, you can find me

pretty much online. I think.

I have lots of social media profiles,

but I always, I don't,

is it okay if I just

give out my email address

- Or? Sure.

- Yeah. I guess you

already did it basically .

- Yeah. No problem. We could

put that in the description.

So thank you so much

for joining us, Kelly.

We really appreciate it.

Absolutely. Yeah. Dude, I, I,

- You guys change my life.

You've changed my family life. Mm-hmm.

I just had a conversation

with my mom yesterday about

how grateful we are Yeah.

To be part of this church. Yeah.

This church is life changing.

- Well, you are part of this

church and I know you're

serving in and helping other peoples.

Right. And they're in

freedom session right now.

I'm Oh, so that's, that's,

- Yeah. That's a whole

- Nother podcast.

That's another podcast. But I mean, that's

what makes his church great

is when people lean in.

Right. So God uses us.

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

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