Summary

Show Notes

1. Divine Order Is Not Man-Made

• Divine order is not someone “setting people in place.”
• It is not structural hierarchy.
• It flows from submission to Jesus Christ as Lord.
• In this day, independence in spiritual life is not sustainable.
• The whole family must be aligned together.

2. The Holy Spirit Creates the Order

• The Holy Spirit is the source of all anointing.
• Ministry roles are not fixed titles but Spirit-led expressions.
• At one moment someone may function apostolically; at another, differently.
• The Spirit is the true Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, and Teacher.
• God does not share His glory with individuals.

3. The Body Functions Through Alignment

• No part is more important than another.
• Just as the physical body functions under the brain’s direction, the Body of Christ functions under Christ as Head.
• When one part is missing or out of alignment, the whole body suffers.
• Divine order means the right function at the right time under the Spirit’s direction.

4. Submission Is the Key

• Jesus washing the disciples’ feet demonstrated mutual submission.
• Leadership exists for equipping the saints—not self-exaltation.
• “Submit one to another in the fear of God.”
• Lordship is not democracy; Christ is Lord.
• Under His Lordship, we are changed and refined.

5. The True Ecclesia

• The church is not a building but people gathered in submission to Christ.
• Ministries are gifts for maturity in the Body.
• God sets members in the Body as it pleases Him.
• The goal is a mature, functioning Body under Christ.

Key Quotes

• “Divine order is centered in the Holy Spirit.”
• “It’s not hierarchy—it’s the Holy Spirit expressing Himself.”
• “God is not going to share His glory with anyone.”
• “No one has to be the outstanding one—we are all equal in the Body of Christ.”
• “Submission is such a key point in all of this.”
• “He’s the Lord—not a democracy.”
• “When we submit our spirits to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, He controls what we speak.”
• “There will be order in the Kingdom Ecclesia—and it’s happening.”

Scriptural References

• Ephesians 5 (21) “Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.”
• Philippians 2 (9–11) Every knee bowing to Jesus as Lord.
• Luke 22 (26–27) The greatest among you shall be as the servant.

• 1 Corinthians 12 (12–27) Many members, one body.
• Romans 12 (4–5) Members one of another.
• 1 Corinthians 12 (18) God sets the members in the body as it pleases Him.

• Ephesians 4 (11–13) Given for equipping the saints.
• 1 Corinthians 12 (4–7) Varieties of gifts, same Spirit.

• Isaiah 42 (8) “My glory I will not give to another.”

• Matthew 18 (20) Where two or three are gathered in My name.
• Acts 2 (42–47) The functioning early church community.

Takeaway

One Body, One Lord: How the Holy Spirit Creates Divine Order

Introduction

Ron: In this episode, we step into a deeper understanding of divine order, not as a hierarchy built by men, but as something created and sustained by the Holy Spirit. Under the Lordship of Jesus Christ in this new day and dependence and personal agendas cannot sustain the body of Christ. God is forming a people who live in submission first to him and then one to another.

What does it really mean for Christ to be Lord? How does the Holy Spirit create order without hierarchy, and how does the body function in true alignment without elevating individuals? Join us as we explore how divine order flows from surrender, humility, and the spirit's leading within the family of God.

Ken: The divine order that we're looking at is not a simple thing like people think. One person can set things up and put people in different places, and that's the way it works, but that's not the way it works. In this new day, in the new day, all have to be submitted in the, in the connection that they have with the Lord Jesus Christ and be submissive to Him.

Because in our submission to Him and then our submission to each other is the way the family will function, and no other way it will work. You can't say, well, I can go off and do my own thing. I, I can have my relationship with God and my walk with God just the way I want to. But that's not true. Not in this day we're living in. In this day, it's the whole family that must be submissive to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and have that relationship with Him and with each other in the same way.

Ron: And also the, the anointing that makes all this work is the Holy Spirit. If you want to talk about divine order, divine order is centered in the Holy Spirit. Actually, the Holy Spirit creates the divine order. It's not man's creation.

So you can talk about apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers, deacons, all that. In men's minds, there's a hierarchy in that. But in the Holy Spirit, it's not that way. There's not, no, it's not that way. Because in the Holy Spirit, He's going to anoint men and women to be certain things or to express certain things at certain times. And other times they won't be that; they will not express it that way. So it's the Holy Spirit that's the apostle, the prophet, the evangelist, the pastor, the teacher, and He uses us as channels to be that, to express that.

Ken: That's exactly right, Ron. And, and the reason being, God is not gonna share His glory with anyone, any person. The anointing comes to whoever God anoints to speak a living word, and that word will be a prophetic and apostolic and evangelistic or teaching, whatever it may be. But it will come out of the varied parts of the family, the body of Christ.

It, it's not going to bring any preeminence to any one individual.

Ron: Yep.

Debbie: Just like the body itself, it has to function to be healthy. Each part has to function in, in alignment with everything else. If it's out of alignment or if it's trying to lift itself up and be higher and greater than the other part, it's not gonna work. You know, it's not gonna be healthy. You have to have it in the right order. It has to be in divine order, and it doesn't mean that we are more or less important. What does it say in Scripture? If I'm a foot, I wanna be an eye. It doesn't have anything to do with us. It has to do with Him and His Lordship.

Ron: I like that, Deb, because that's a great way for people to understand divine order. When you have a physical body and you've got the brain, the head, okay, but as far as you know, who's more important? Well, okay, cut your hands off and then try to eat.

Debbie: Yeah.

Ron: Cut your feet off and try to walk, and you can take that to any part of your body. So you may say, well, that part's not as important. If you don't have that part, all of a sudden it becomes really important. So in a way, that's like divine order.

When I want to eat, you know, I'm not using my feet to eat; I'm using my hands to eat. That's divine order. In other words, my brain's going, hands work. When I wanna walk somewhere, I'm not using my hands; I'm using my feet. It's the same thing with the spiritual body of Christ. When God wants to move through certain individuals with a certain anointing, that's just the way it is. At that moment, they're anointed, but so is the rest of the whole body. They may not be in the limelight, if you wanna call it that right now. That doesn't matter. They're still just as important. It's an orchestra.

Debbie: Yes.

Ken: God says we are fearfully and wonderfully made. This is how we're put together as a family, as a body. The body has to function because of the head's direction, or the Holy Spirit's leading, you could say. But it's so absolutely this way.

Ed: You know, when Christ had the apostles at the Last Supper, you know, He took off His clothes and He washed their feet, and He said, you need to wash each other's feet. That wasn't setting up a hierarchy. He gave apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers for the equipping of the saints, not for the equipping of themselves, but for the equipping of the saints. Everything that you do must be for the body.

Ken: There's another part of that. 'Cause when Jesus was washing the disciples' feet and saying that you should do this to each other, He was also saying, and this is a key to your submission, you submit one to another. What really counts is how we submit in this, committing ourselves to one another in the fear of God. Submission is such a key point in all of this.

Ron: The Lordship of Jesus Christ. He's the Lord. That's the hardest thing for people to get. He's the Lord, not a democracy. We'll have our different anointings and different expressions. Even that will be under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Even that will be refined by the Holy Spirit.

But yes, it's true. You will lose your life under His Lordship, and you will change, and you will not be the same person that you are now. You will change. And you have a choice. And you have a choice. You can reject. Well, you can. You can. You've got the same choice that Satan had.

Ken: Right. That's exactly right, Ron. When we submit our spirits to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, then He's the one that's controlling what we speak through our mouths, what He gives us. And if, if that's what is happening, then no one's offended by what you say. They simply hear the word, and if the Lord gives them something to speak, they speak it. We are all equal in the body of Christ. I love this. No one has to be the outstanding one because we're all in this as the family of God.

Ed: Most people don't realize that the church was not a building. When you meet together, that's the Ecclesia; that's the church standing right before you. You know, you can have three people or you can have 3,000 people. If they're submissive to the Lord, then you have a church.

All of the ministries—apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers—were not a hierarchy. They were for the saints, not for themselves. They had to bring forth God in the saints when they did it. And when the saints grabbed ahold of it, then they can go to a different group and bring forth the same thing. And that is what God has always wanted.

Ron: Scripture says, Ed, just what you said. The Scripture says they were gifts given by the Lord to bring forth the body of Christ and maturity. And if it was any more than that, then it was not what the Lord wanted.

Ken: And God also says in that word in Ephesians that it's God Himself who sets people into the body as it pleases Him. He's setting His church in order, right?

Debbie: Yes.

Ken: There will be order in the Kingdom Ecclesia, and it's happening.

Summary

Ron: As we have heard today, divine order is not about position or prominence. It is about his lordship when Jesus Christ is truly Lord. And when we yield to the Holy Spirit's leading the body functions in harmony, maturity, and strength, each member finds their place not by striving for importance, but by submitting to him and to one another in love.

The call is simple, but it is costly. Surrender your independence embraces Lordship and allow the spirit to align you within his body. And that submission, divine order is revealed and Christ alone receives the glory.