In this episode of The NonProfit Nook, host Wendy Kidd talks with Shannon White, Founder and Executive Director, and Kim Hughes, Administrative Director of Grace to Change, a nonprofit outpatient treatment center in Collin County. Shannon and Kim share their inspiring personal stories and discuss the vital work their organization does to support individuals struggling with addiction. They highlight the services provided, such as intensive and supportive outpatient programs, free lifelong aftercare, substance abuse evaluations, and individual and family counseling. The conversation also touches on the challenges of running a nonprofit, the importance of community support, and ways for people to get involved, including meal donations, drives, and attending their annual gala.
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00:00 Introduction and Opening Remarks
00:23 Welcome to The NonProfit Nook
01:11 Meet Shannon White: Founder of Grace to Change
02:10 Meet Kim Hughes: Administrative Director of Grace to Change
03:29 The Journey and Mission of Grace to Change
04:41 Challenges and Success Stories
05:29 Services Offered by Grace to Change
06:12 Personal Stories of Impact
10:08 Community Involvement and Support
15:56 Understanding Addiction and Nonprofits
19:24 How to Get Involved and Support Grace to Change
22:38 Closing Remarks and Contact Information
23:09 Podcast Outro
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:Wendy Kidd: Welcome to The NonProfit
Nook, the podcast for nonprofit
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:leaders, board members, and community
change makers who want to build
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:stronger, smarter organizations.
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:I'm your host, Wendy Kidd, a longtime
business owner and nonprofit leader,
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real tools and real stories to help
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strategies you can actually use.
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:Because running a nonprofit is hard,
but you don't have to do it alone.
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:Let's get started.
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:Welcome everyone to The NonProfit Nook.
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:One of my guests today is someone
who truly embodies what it
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:means to turn a personal journey
into a mission for change.
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:Shannon White is the Founder and
Executive Director of Grace to Change
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:a nonprofit outpatient treatment
center, helping people in Collin County
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:find hope and healing from addiction.
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:She started her career in early childhood
education after graduating from the
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:University of Texas at Austin, but after
own recovery journey began in:
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:she felt called to do something different.
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:Shannon went back to school, became a
licensed chemical dependency counselor,
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:and in 2011 opened Grace to Change.
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:In 2017, it officially became a nonprofit,
so she and her team could better serve
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:those in our community who need it most.
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:Shannon's not just running a
nonprofit, she's in it every day.
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:She's taught moral recognition
therapy classes inside the
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:Collin County Jail since 2014.
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:Works closely with local drug courts
and continues to be a powerful
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:advocate for those facing addiction.
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:I'm so excited to have her today
to share the impact of her work.
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:Welcome, Shannon.
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:Shannon White: Thanks.
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:Glad to be here.
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:Wendy Kidd: And then we also have my
other guest today brings heart lived
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:experience and a whole lot of energy
to her role in the nonprofit world.
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:Kim Hughes is the Administrative Director
of Grace to Change, and while she's
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:worked there since 2016, her connection
to the organization runs even deeper.
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:Before joining the team, Kim
experienced the impact of Grace to
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:Change firsthand as a parent navigating
her daughter's recovery journey.
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:That experience shaped her passion for
supporting families going through the same
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:thing, and she hasn't looked back since.
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:Kim's work is more than a
job to her, it's her mission.
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:She's been recognized time and again
for her community involvement, including
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:being named Leadership McKinney, Alumni
of the Year in:
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:McKinney's Volunteer of the year in 2020.
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:Whether she's coordinating programs,
showing up for families, or leading
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:a service project around town,
Kim shows up with her whole heart.
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:She's a proud mom, a new grandma,
and a big believer in the power
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:of community, and I can't wait
for you to hear from her as well.
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:Welcome, Kim.
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:Hello to be here.
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:Love having you two here.
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:I'm so excited.
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:In case anyone out there doesn't know I
am good friends with these two ladies.
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:They are definitely somebody that
I consider a community champion.
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:Both of them.
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:They have their hands in so much around
town and I'm just honored that you
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:guys chose to be part of the podcast.
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:Thank you.
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:Thank for letting us.
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:Of course.
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:So tell me a little bit more about Grace
To Change, how it got started and why you
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:decided to make it a nonprofit Shannon.
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:Shannon White: So Grace to Change
came out of a pure passion for helping
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:people who most of the time wouldn't be
able to afford treatment on their own.
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:And so we started out as
a very unsuccessful for.
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:For profit company because if people
got to the door and they didn't
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:have money, we let 'em in anyway.
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:And so it, there was a fund, a funding
change when there used to be something
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:called North Star and the county made
the decision that LifePath was gonna be
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:our local behavioral health authority.
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:And in order to accept that funding,
we had to become a nonprofit.
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:And so we sold the
for-profit to the nonprofit.
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:And, and started off, got a
board and continued on that way.
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:We started with just adults and
then somewhere in that we ended up.
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:Needing to do adolescents as well.
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:One of the judges asked if we
would do adolescents, so we
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:teach adolescents and adults now.
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:Wendy Kidd: Well, as somebody who
has a history of, family members with
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:addiction, I greatly appreciate the
service that you provide out there in
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:the community is definitely something
that is near and dear to my heart, and
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:I just really appreciate you doing this.
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:How do you kind of keep in touch
with what your clients need?
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:How do you kind of gauge that?
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:Shannon White: The, the universe kind of
drops something like fentanyl in our lap.
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:And unfortunately, you know, we, we
kind of just rise to the occasion.
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:There's ebbs and flows.
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:Um, there was a time when
cocaine was really high.
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:There was a time when
methamphetamine was really high.
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:Now cocaine is back again.
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:And the, the Fentanyl crisis has
really just kind of been debilitating.
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:We've lost clients, young clients,
16-year-old to a fentanyl overdose.
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:Um, and it, it just, you know,
society kind of dictates the stress
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:of COVID, created lots of alcoholism.
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:And so we had to, we went through that.
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:So we basically just kind of
meet people where they are
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:with whatever they bring us.
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:Wendy Kidd: Mm gotcha.
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:So what all different
services do you offer?
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:Shannon White: So we do intensive
outpatient, which is three
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:times a week for six weeks.
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:Then we do supportive outpatient, which
is two times a week for six weeks.
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:And then.
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:Anybody that wants to start a business
does not need to follow my example, but
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:we give free aftercare for life because
addiction is a lifelong illness and
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:we can't just treat it for six weeks
or 12 weeks and expect it to be done.
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:So we have free aftercare for life.
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:We also do substance abuse evaluations
for child protective services,
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:and we do evaluations for people
on probation, pretrial, those
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:kinds of things, and individual
counseling and family counseling.
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:Wendy Kidd: You are well
embedded in the system.
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:That is for sure.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:So tell us a success story or
two, I wanna hear the good stuff.
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:Tell me where you feel like you've
really, what you've accomplished.
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:Shannon White: So it's interesting, we
had a guy come back last night who I
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:met 16 years ago in a drug court and.
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:He had struggled with his addiction
and he stayed in connection with
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:us and he came back and he's
actually had three years clean now.
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:And so he came back and talked
to Kim and I yesterday and was
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:talking about how, you know, I used
to say, we gotta find a purpose.
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:You gotta have something that matters.
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:And we were trying to.
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:Put his skills together.
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:So he was a construction manager, so
he's been working with the flooding
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:victims and the catastrophes.
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:And one of the things I said
to him was, I really wish you'd
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:get your chaplain's license.
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:You've got such a good Christian heart.
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:It would be a perfect blend.
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:So when he came in yesterday,
gosh, it made me wanna cry.
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:When he came in yesterday, he
said, I'm using my expertise.
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:To help these people.
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:And I'm also getting
my chaplain's license.
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:And he said, and none of
it would've been possible.
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:And that was a connection that has
lasted literally 15 years from one of
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:the drug courts that I worked with.
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:Wendy Kidd: Wow.
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:That's so cool.
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:Kim, tell me one of your
stories that you like.
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:Kim Hughes: I'm gonna tell
you my personal story.
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:Tell me I met Shannon in, um.
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:My daughter was 15, I
think, in drug court.
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:And so before I came to work here, and
she was a hot mess and everybody knew,
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:Shannon White: not me, her daughter,
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:Wendy Kidd: let's clarify, right?
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:Shannon was not the hot mess.
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:Probably Kim's daughter was
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:Kim Hughes: Kim.
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:Okay.
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:Kim's daughter was the hot mess.
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:Yes.
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:Anybody that knows me knows
I'm kind of a hot mess.
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:So, um, she followed kind of my footsteps,
but she, she went down a really ugly path
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:and it was really scary there for a while.
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:And, um, yeah.
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:The county stepped up and helped and
said, Hey, we really think that this child
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:would benefit from a juvenile drug court.
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:Um, I was blessed to meet Shannon
in that ju juvenile drug court.
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:The judges, uh, her probation officer
who was her probation officer, who
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:literally would come shake her room down
at two o'clock in the morning because.
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:In drug court, especially juvenile
drug court, it is very intense.
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:They, they're trying to make
sure that these kids are set up
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:for success later on in life.
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:Um, so I have a little heart
for the juveniles because I
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:see where it can take them.
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:So skip ahead 10 years.
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:She.
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:Sober, thriving in the community,
going to school, runs a business,
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:has a child like life can change.
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:And there was a point that I
did not think that was possible.
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:And now she is such a thriving
person in our community.
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:She's with me at everything I do.
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:So people know her.
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:She's.
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:We don't talk about her story.
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:She doesn't like to talk about it much.
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:I talk about it because I think
it's something to be very proud of.
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:Yeah, like the overcoming.
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:You don't need to know all the details,
but you need to know that she went
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:through a lot and she overcame it,
and that is because she had support.
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:She still comes and sees Shannon.
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:She still comes and
hangs out of our office.
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:Her probation officer still
has her picture in her
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:office 10, 11 years later as.
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:It's something to look at, to be
like, miracles happen, things happen,
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:and I think that that's kind of what
really drew me to want to be a part
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:of Grace to Change, is because my
family was directly affected and I saw
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:what love was poured in to my family
In our deepest, darkest days in.
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:Now it's just bright and happy, and I
get to celebrate that every day with
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:Shannon when people like that walk in.
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:And then I also get to celebrate
those days that the parent
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:walks in just like I did.
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:Into Shannon's office 10 years
ago at their worst day ever.
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:'cause we had one of those
yesterday too, right?
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:Like Yeah.
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:Their worst day ever with their child.
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:Is it ever gonna get better?
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:Yes it is.
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:Just stick with it.
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:Yeah.
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:You know, and you that we can offer
that hope and you know, that, you
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:know, is everybody gonna get better?
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:No, that's, that's not gonna happen.
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:But if we can offer people hope and
support and love, and we'll do that,
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:one of our favorite things that we
do at our office is answer the phone.
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:We answer the phone like
that's not normal anymore.
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:And we will talk to you
and we will spend probably.
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:Way more time than we should, but
in our opinion, it's not too much.
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:Even if you're not coming to us,
we wanna offer people that love
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:in the worst moment of their life.
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:'cause we only have a little
bit of time sometimes.
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:To offer 'em when they're reaching out.
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:So we do that.
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:We talk to people all the time
and we love answering our phone.
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:Wendy Kidd: I think everybody can hear
the love in both of y'alls voices.
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:Uh, again, I just wanna say thank
you 'cause I've been that person too.
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:Um, not to disclose my family
member's business at all, but I
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:definitely have a family member who's.
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:Been down that road,
and I think we all do.
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:I mean, I think everybody is, and the
more people you talk to, the more you
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:find that everybody's got this in common.
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:Um, and not everybody
has the success story.
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:I'm, I'm lucky to have the success story.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:My family member's been in sobriety
for seven years and that's amazing.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Um, because they were in it, not in
sobriety for a lot longer than that.
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:Right.
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:But not everybody gets that success story.
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:But having just somebody to talk
to, you know, you guys answering
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:the phone, that's just huge.
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:That's huge.
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:Kim Hughes: And we
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:just
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:started.
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:Talking to people.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:At the beginning, we weren't
in the community as much.
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:Now we're in the community.
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:People know us, they know our stories.
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:They, we share our stories.
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:It's the thing I told my daughter,
like, your testimony is my testimony
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:and we're gonna share it because we're
gonna save some more people off of that.
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:And I truly believe that that is the case.
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:Once, uh, Shannon spoke in group
last night about that, once you
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:find that recovery piece you want.
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:To naturally give it away.
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:To other people.
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:And that's what we hope we create at
Grace to Change is love and foundation.
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:So you can give that away.
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:Yeah.
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:To the next person.
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:Shannon White: We had a neat
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:guy start last night, um, with a CPS case.
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:And those are always stressful,
you know, there's just extra
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:layers of stress with kids.
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:And it was his first night and he walked
up afterwards and got on a schedule for
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:an individual and he literally said,
y'all already feel like my family.
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:Oh, wow.
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:And he was with us for two hours.
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:Uh, he got attached to Kim during his
intake, but he was such a nice guy, and
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:literally there's no greater compliment.
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:That's, that's what we want.
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:Like, we want you to feel that
connection that quickly and that love,
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:um, for as long as you'll be with us.
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:Wendy Kidd: Well, I think that's because
you two come across so authentically,
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:you know, you're not, you're not
just doing this as a business.
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:You're doing this outta love.
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:What's the favorite part of what you do?
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:What, what's something that
you just really love doing?
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:Shannon White: Uh, this is
gonna sound super crazy, but
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:I love when someone comes in.
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:A day or two after their worst event,
and we get to say, Hey, this is gonna be
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:the best thing that ever happens to you.
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:Um, it doesn't feel like it now,
but this is gonna be the catalyst
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:that makes the change for you.
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:And just meet 'em right where they
are, whether they're hung over, whether
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:they're, we've got people that come
and they're withdrawing, you know?
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:Yeah.
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:We, we get 'em in all lanes.
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:Sometimes they stay on our couch for.
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:A day or so, just 'cause we don't have
drugs in our office, so if you're in our
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:on our couch, you're not gonna get drugs.
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:So, you know, I think it's just
that initial connection to people
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:that I think is so powerful.
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:People would want me to say it's the
success stories and, and I love those.
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:I think they're powerful and
they're great, but it's that for
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:me in my recovery, it's getting
somebody at their worst and helping
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:'em get pulled out of that hole.
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:Wendy Kidd: Mm-hmm.
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:Yeah.
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:What about you, Kim?
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:Kim Hughes: I would have to say
the same to a certain extent, but
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:I also, um, I love our kiddos.
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:We have kids and anybody that knows
me knows that I have this heart
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:for kids, uh, with everything I do.
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:But these kids are all
in a different spot in.
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:Again, my child was in that same spot.
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:And we have wonderful people from
their community that come in and pour
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:into these kids that are in, a lot
of them are in horrible situations.
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:You know, they may even be
in foster care at this time.
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:They may be homeless,
living in a car with mom.
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:Like lots of things are
going on in their world.
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:And when you're 14, 15.
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:Those are crucial points in your
life that set the tone for the
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:rest of your life, in my opinion.
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:And so if we can have somebody come in
and teach somebody how to make a pot
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:holder, we had somebody come in and teach
kids how to whittle wood to make a pen.
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:You know, just different things that.
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:People are like, um, that's kind of weird.
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:No, it's not.
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:It's really not because at that moment
there's this person from the community
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:or there's this lesson, or somebody
brings a homemade meal and just
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:sits at the table and talks to kids.
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:For that moment, there is a family.
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:And I promise those kids come back.
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:We have so many kids over the
last 10 years that we have
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:helped that come back as adults.
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:Miss, can I come in and te help
you with that class tonight?
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:I wanna come in and talk to the kids.
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:I wanna tell 'em my story.
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:I wanna tell 'em these things.
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:And yes, the adult success
stories are great, but when those.
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:Young adults come back from being
a kid and wanna feed into the kids,
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:that's when you know that you've
really made an impact on someone.
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:And that's what keeps us going Yeah.
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:Is that we know that we've laid
that solid foundation for people
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:that they feel comfortable coming
back, sharing their stories.
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:Wendy Kidd: That's so
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:cool.
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:I I love it.
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:Love this.
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:I love this just makes me feel good.
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:So good.
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:Okay.
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:So tell me what you wish people would
understand more about your organization
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:or the people that you serve.
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:Shannon White: I think, I wish that
people would understand that they're
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:all just great people, you know?
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Nobody has this crazy uproar when
someone gets cancer, we meet 'em
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:at the door with love, we take 'em
blankets, we do all these things, and
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:substance abuse is a, is a disease.
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:Nobody chooses it.
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:I certainly didn't choose it, and
my parents didn't choose it for me.
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:And so if we can understand that
these are hurting people and they just
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:need love and connection, you know.
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:Ironically, addiction is
a story of disconnection.
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:You know?
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:Right?
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:Yes.
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:You get the legal issues, you
get all these things which
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:disconnects you from society.
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:And the one thing that actually
helps and heals you is connection.
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:And so, um, we, we tell
our people to come in, um.
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:But first I didn't say the bad word.
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:Um, come in with your worst stories
to us because it doesn't matter.
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:I don't, I'm not gonna judge you
based on the worst parts of your day.
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:But if you do that, then you don't have to
worry anymore that, okay, she thinks I'm
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:this, and then I have to tell this secret.
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:And so I wish people would just
understand these are great individuals.
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:These are fabulous human beings that
have so much capacity for love and so
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:much capacity to be viable citizens.
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:Um, and they just need a leg up.
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:Yep.
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:They just need a leg up.
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:Wendy Kidd: Agree.
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:Agreed.
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:You wanna add to that?
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:Kim Hughes: No, I agree.
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:I, I obviously, I
completely agree with that.
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:Um, also for the family side, 'cause I'm
always gonna advocate for the family side.
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:For the family side.
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:I wish people would understand
that it's okay to reach out.
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:Yeah, it's okay.
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:Please don't hide it until you say, oh
man, they've been drinking for six months
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:in their room and haven't come out.
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:Well, I wish you would've called
me on day six, not six months.
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:You know, let's talk about it.
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:That stigma that goes with it.
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:So many family members are
scared to say anything.
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:I think that is one of the reasons I'm so.
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:Open with my family story is I
want people to know out of that.
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:I've met people at chamber meetings,
I've met people at networking events.
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:I've met people at outreach
events and they hear my stuff and
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:they're like, Hey, can you help?
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:Hey, can you, can I bring my son?
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:Hey, can we come meet Shannon?
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:Hey, can we do this?
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:Because all of a sudden
they're like, oh, okay.
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:I am not in it alone.
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:And that's what I wish
peep families understood.
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:They're not in it alone.
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:Literally every, I don't know that
there's anybody out there could say
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:that they, somebody in their world
hasn't been touched by addiction.
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:Right.
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:And some sort.
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:Wendy Kidd: Yeah.
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:It's so prevalent.
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:It's, yeah.
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:Absolutely.
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:What do you guys wish people
understood about nonprofits in general?
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:Shannon White: That they're really
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:hard.
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:Um, it is.
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:I was not, I don't ask for money.
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:Well, that's not a strong suit of mine.
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:I'm, I'm dig in, get, get
in with the dirty work.
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:But asking for money is really hard.
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:And as a nonprofit.
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:Especially in this field, about half
of the money that our budget is, which
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:is about a half a million dollars,
we have to fundraise and grant right.
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:For, um, we don't get, we get paid
for a but in a seat and it's about a
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:fifth of what someone gets for the same
program in a managed care facility.
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:So we get $50 a night, they get
$350 a night up to $500 a night.
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:And I think the hard part is
we, we all have a passion.
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:People start a nonprofit with a
passion, and unfortunately, the money
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:piece has to come with it, you know?
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:If Passion paid the
bills i'd, we'd be good.
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:It just doesn't,
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:Wendy Kidd: yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:For sure.
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:For sure.
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:Well, I got a podcast
episode for you coming up.
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:Oh, good.
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:So that'll help.
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:Good, good.
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:That'll help.
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:All right.
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:Well, tell me how people can
get involved, get specific, how
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:can they come help you guys?
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:Shannon White: Every night we try to serve
a meal, especially to our kids because
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:they come right during dinner time.
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:So we love anybody that wants
to bring a meal order pizza.
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:It's really special when they
come and sit with the kids
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:'cause the kids actually feel like
they're aliens some of the time.
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:So when people that are in the community
come and hang out with them, that's cool.
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:We have snacks, um, we have recurring
donations you can do on our website.
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:We have our gala coming up on October
30th, so we're looking for sponsorships
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:and individual tickets or any type of,
um, people that have things like gift
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:certificates or whatever that they wanna
do that we can auction off would be
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:Wendy Kidd: Awesome.
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:You gonna add to that?
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:Kim Hughes: No.
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:Yeah, I will.
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:Okay.
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:Um, one more thing we like to do is people
reach out a lot and want to come help.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Since we do have a little bit of
regulations with HIPAA, um, we.
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:Always love for service organizations
and um, different church groups,
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:anything like that to do drives.
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:We can take drives for anything.
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:Uh, as people are going through
recovery, they eat, they want.
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:Chocolate.
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:They want sugar.
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:So drives for candy, drives
for snacks, drives for drinks.
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:All those things that takes money
that we don't have to take out of our
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:budget and we can pour back into our
people when people do that outside.
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:So we really love those days
and I love to see a little kid.
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:Last week we had a little, um.
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:Boy and girl come in with hot
dogs, hot dog buns and chips.
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:They saw our post.
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:They wanted to bring something.
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:Grandma brought 'em in and they were able
to feed everybody that night, our adults
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:and our kids, and it probably cost under
$20, and they were able to do that, and
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:that makes such a lasting imprint on.
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:Our clients and for our kids, um, the
reality and for our adults, the reality
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:is not everybody has something to eat.
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:Um, we are in that place in our world
and society right now, and if we can make
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:sure when they leave, they at least had a.
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:Something in their tummy and they filled
their tummy, or they brought some crackers
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:home for later in the night, we're golden.
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:You know, we're helping
in a different way.
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:Shannon White: if we feed, if we feed
'em, it saves them 10 bucks for a meal.
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:So that puts money in
towards gas or whatever.
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:'cause coming three nights
a week is expensive.
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:So if we can take, you know,
take an expense here, they
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:can utilize it someplace else.
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:Wendy Kidd: I think those
are so great points.
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:I wouldn't even thought about all
that, but I'm so glad you said it.
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:And I will just say that.
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:Kim is the queen of drives.
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:If you wanna know how to do a drive, is
it okay if they reach out to you, Kim?
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:Kim Hughes: Sure.
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:I would love
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:Oh me.
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:Wendy Kidd: See, you posted
about drives for all the
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:Kim Hughes: different things.
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:Yes, I believe and anybody that knows
me knows that I say the same thing.
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:People will do if you tell them to do.
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:We have to educate people on what
we need, and that is my biggest.
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:For anybody that is in the nonprofit
world, anybody trying to do something
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:to help people, just educate people.
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:Yeah.
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:Just educate 'em because the
world in general is still good.
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:Wendy Kidd: Yeah, for sure.
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:Okay, ladies, I'm gonna wrap it up here
and just say, making sure everybody knows
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:that their website is gracetochange.org.
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:Is that right?
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:That's correct.
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:Right, and so they can find you
on Facebook at Grace to Change
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:McKinney or on Instagram as well.
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:Anywhere else they should look for you.
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:Is that covered up?
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:1216 White Avenue.
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:There you go.
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:All right.
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:Thank you ladies so much for
coming and being my podcast guests.
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:I loved having you.
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:You.
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:Thanks for having us.
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:Absolutely.
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:And thanks everyone for tuning in.
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:We'll see you next time.
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:Kim Hughes: Thank you.
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:Bye-bye.
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