A bit more of a laid back episode, here's what we discussed:

- G is a professional sleeper

- Becoming a mother means you don't sleep

- Jude's new goal: a fitness photoshoot

- Why sign up for this body transformation with a photoshoot at the end?

- Possible implications of a body transformation programme

- Having a clear goal changes you

- It's a powerful thing for your mind to be able to lift a lot of weight

- Purposeful training

- How do you convince someone they need to change something about themselves?

- Giving up alcohol and the unexpected conversations that come with that

- Grappling feels like play

- "Play is basically failing with a smile on your face"

- ...and more...

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