What happens when you mix creative agency chaos with world-class engineering? You get teams that don’t just write code—they own the product.

In this episode, I’m talking with David Mitchell, CTO at VML, one of the biggest creative agencies on the planet. With thousands of engineers and global clients like Wendy’s and United Rentals, David’s teams are building things that most devs only dream of—and doing it without getting buried in bureaucracy.

We break down what it really takes to foster creative engineering inside a massive org, how to keep engineers out of the ticket-taking trap, and how AI is reshaping what engineering leadership actually looks like.

If you lead teams and want to stop micromanaging, or if you're just tired of pretending Agile is still helping... this one’s for you.

⏱️ Episode Breakdown

[00:15] — What is a "creative engineer" and why don’t we have more of them?

[06:00] — Why software engineering should be creative work

[07:40] — The evolution of engineering: From basement coders to business thinkers

[11:20] — Ownership vs. ticket-taking: How VML trains teams to lead

[13:30] — Journey-Driven Development and the myth of “API-first”

[20:45] — Is AI changing how we build software—or just hyped?

[24:00] — Hackathons, prototyping, and the rise of “vibe engineering”

Links & Resources

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If you’re trying to get your team out of the basement and into real product ownership, this episode is your playbook. Stop being a ticket factory. Build teams that think, create, and lead.

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