“Humanity is at a crossroads. 

“We can destroy ourself in a millisecond….or we can elevate it through radical love.” — Rohini & Karl Emanuelsson 

How to Manifest your Dream Relationship with Radical Self Love After Narcissistic Abuse

Today I share a conversation with  Rohini & Karl Emanuelsson

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Rohini & Karl are on a mission to get the world Radically Loved up, which starts with Radical Self Love. 80% of relationships fail, they feel it is needless and a symptom of deeper unrest, trauma & anger. They run Radical Transformational Retreats for Self Love and for Couples to make their relationships a magnificent daily love affair – yes it is possible, they have been together 22 years and every year get’s even more passionate & exciting. 

Here are some key moments:

• Relationships are a portal to a vast presence within you
• Toxic Masculinity affects men and women
• Humanity 3.0
• Healing and balancing energies
• Evolved masculine is coming and needed
• How to get unstuck from attracting toxic relationships.

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93. Manifesting the Life of your Dreams After Narcissistic Abuse with Radical Self Love with Rohini & Karl Emanuelsson

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Rohini and Karl feel it is needless. And A symptom of deeper unrest trauma and to anger. They run radical transformational retreats for self-love and for couples To make their relationships a magnificent daily love affair. Yes, it is possible. They have been together 22 years and every year gets even more passionate and exciting.

They are in the media most recently on BBC one. With more upcoming as want to share compelling view of the future to give people hope. Towards a more loving world. Rohini was in senior corporate leadership roles working For the likes of Microsoft. And as the senior management consulting. And advising

Leading organizations. Karl was working in London, in banking, starting his career at Goldman Sachs. On Facebook.

It may have looked as if they had the perfect life, but they suffered. Burnout.

No energy and their marriage. Marriage was on the brink of disaster with three sons. This led them to embark on their own transformation journey. Learning from the world's leading experts in psychology relationship experts, yoga Philosophy breath, work and mindfulness. This thirst for learning and growth. Continue.

as they seek to experience the most extraordinary life possible. At every level running retreats started as a side passion project to giving back and. They were blown away by the effectiveness of how it can radically transform other's lives to. So they are the number one retreat In the UK with celebrity stays and incredible reviews from people like the X.

Nothing is quite as fulfilling. So now they are all in to do their bit to create a more loving world. You can find them .

On Instagram at. At Y 42 retreats or their website, Y dash 40 two.com. And they're also on LinkedIn and Facebook. All those links will be in the show So without further ado Let's dive into our conversation

And it's just every single episode. It goes back to self worth and self love. So I was like, gotta have 'em on. We gotta talk about this more.

So there's like a couple different two-pronged things there. But I wanna learn about you guys a little bit of your backstory and how you got into developing the Y 42.

We traveled the world and, , and then all of a sudden, , we decided to start a families. We had, uh, three beautiful sons join us , , in the state of three years. So then all of a sudden responsibility and, uh, yes, a lot of. Uh, sort of came knocking and, um, and we also launched some businesses at this time as well.

So, uh, so we lined ourselves up for, , a lot of stress in the relationship, a lot of, , sort of turmoil around us. And also we didn't actually look after our health and wellbeing. , so we just found ourselves one day we were on the brink of divorce. Our health and wellbeing was. Quite low on our priority and we were overweight.

We didn't have any energy. And, , and the wake up call for me was, , was that Rohini, , was contemplating leaving me. And, and then at that stage, , I was kind of in denial, , because you look out that, , other couples and you think that this is the norm. On the, on the outset, it looks like we had a perfect life, beautiful house, , wonderful family.

And that's, that's really how the journey for us started and, , , through all these courses and how we were growing on ourselves, , we decided to, give back and it started as a passion project. To launch our radical wellbeing retreats, and then quickly the transformation we saw in other people, , by learning the practices that we, , so we kind of cherry picked all, all the, , all the practices that have really worked for us.

And I think that's what makes our retreat so special. Cause it's not just a yoga retreat, it's just not a detox retreat. We also do conscious connected breath work, a lot of , trauma release. And we build this wonderful, , lovely bubble of love , and positivity and our retreats and people come away completely transformed.

, so now we've, , turned this passion project into, into our, our mission.. , so we are going all in on this and, uh, we're on a mission to get the world radically loved up, which starts with self love.

Or is this just like, what's happening? It's like, no, we're just awakening to its existence. And yeah. It's incredibly. It can be really daunting at times, but your work is helping people realize who they are. Right. And really radically love themselves to be ready for their mission here on earth.

It it's kind, it's a catalyst for radical change. So if we see this as the most compelling time in the future, the most exciting time in the future, because. We've got the keys to abundance. So that means we have the technology to feed house and clothes. Every single person on the planet today, all it needs is a rise of collective consciousness to unlock it.

And we think the way that we access that is. Through our relationships and through radical self love. And, and why is that? Because we see relationships as a portal to a vast presence within you, because in relationships, you can't have masks in relationships. The wounds are gonna surface cuz that's what they're designed to do.

The trauma's gonna come up. The unmet needs are gonna come up and if you see your relationship as a catalyst for growth and a catalyst for change and. Have the tools and technologies to work through those, then that's how we feel. Collective consciousness can rise and that's how we can awaken to our greatest potential.

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And this is a symptom of where we are as a society. There's deep trauma, there's deep unrest. The rules are changing of what's a masculine role. What's a feminine role. What does it mean in a society that now has the keys of abundance? We have all the equality drivers. We have, you know, the whole paradigm.

And changing. And I think that's a symptom of the 80% of relationships failing because we, we don't know where this is going. And because we have this disposable mindset. So, you know, , you tear your jeans. We don't sew them up. Like our granny does. We throw them away? Your washing machine breaks down.

We don't think about servicing it, throw it away, get another one dispose. , and so we've become like that with our relationships. They've become disposable and we haven't got the education and tools to work through. What a relationship is. And so they become, they go on this downward spiral very quickly through narcissist behaviors through projection, through, and therefore anger and disengagement.

You know, there aren't any role models or education on how to have a relationship and that's why we almost divorced. And you know, he's amazing. Karl's amazing. I would've lost this one if, and so we got our. Educated. We did the work on ourselves. We grew and grew and grew and grew. And then that now has, you know, after 21 years, You know, it really is an extraordinary relationship and that is just educating yourself and defining what a radically loving, magnificent love affair looks like because there isn't role models.

we knew that we weren't prepared to just bicker and exist. We knew there had to be more so we are, we are defining it as we go. And, and this is why it's our passion to share this because as I say, 80% of relationships fail. We think mostly needlessly once you actually go to the root causes of what causes things like narcissist behaviors and people feeling controlled and undermined and not feeling loved or safe or adored and fundamentally not having your needs met.

And one of the biggest issues. Is this, , the definition of what is a masculine energy and what is a feminine energy. And this is a highly charged topic, , with the whole quality, me too kind of thing, because we're all very aware of what. Toxic masculine energy is about, you know, and one of the things I think we just need to face into a society and just put it on the table is that, you know, women have really suffered since the beginning of time they have been controlled.

Just acknowledge that and have empathy for that pain and trauma that women are holding as a collective. So that's one aspect of it, because what I see is you see women are just, they're holding onto this trauma and maybe not even their, their own trauma, they're holding onto this generational trauma. And in some of the downloads I've had as part of my quantum healing processes, you know, I felt that I have felt that trauma where I've, I've just, I've got the down lows and I'm just, you know, I'm just, so I've been in hysterics and.

Screaming, almost with the pain that women have suffered from the beginning of time. And then it turns into uncontrollable rage and Karl has experienced this and nothing for where he may have triggered it, but this was from a stacked wound place. And I just felt this rage and. Anger. Like how dare have they done this and how dare they keep doing this in parts of the world today?

And I understand that I understand that anger, but what needs to shift is anger, Having this kind of hierarchy control competition kind of paradigm. And replacing it with anger is not gonna help us move forward as a, as a new way of living together. So we, ladies, we need to find it in ourselves to heal from this.

Right. It needed it. Let's just say, and you know, it's, it's not excusing it. It's not saying that that is the best way it is just saying that that paradigm has got us to this point where we have the keys to unlock abundance. So why not just. Give men appreciation and love that they have used their power to create this modern love modern world.

Right. That shifts the energy I feel. Yeah. Cuz if there's anger and hatred and your fault and stuff, to me that doesn't shift the energy, but if we can give it a little bit of gratitude, a bit of love, um, and just again, just acknowledge it. And as a collective, we acknowledge this, that thank. Masculine energy. have got us where we are today. We love your power. We needed the power and it, you know, only until very recently, it has all been about survival and survival means compete. it means control. Come on, just get it done. Right. So now thankfully we are, we are in an era of abundance, so we can come up with a new paradigm and this is what we call humanity.

And you know, you say expression is the opposite of depression. Expression is the opposite of depression. So we have these technologies to release it so that you are unblocked energy flows. And once, once that's released. Then you look at the healing, then you look at the healing, what are the real wounds?

And as I say, it's not just your own wounds, this could be generational wounds. What did your mother suffer? What did your grandmother suffer? And it's encoded in your DNA. Science proves that now. , it's in there. It's in, within us. so. Do the work, and this is where the self love comes in. Do the work to heal yourself, to experience your true nature, to fall in love with who you really are and what you really are, which is a divine Goddess S , which is a beautiful feminine spirit.

And this is where the beauty of the feminine needs to flower. In this masculine world, sadly, a lot of women have stepped into the masculine energy in order to compete against the masculine energy in order to be

successful in the

masculine world.

game.

Mm-hmm

And I hate to say this, but frankly, some of the worst bosses I've had were women, you know, because it turned into this. A very poor embodiment of toxic masculinity. Uh, and I was like, my goodness, what is that? That is not the divine feminine. And this is what I mean. So women need to heal. Women need to understand what they are and women need to tap into the.

, I could call it feminine energy, cuz this is not about gender. This is masculine and feminine energy.

And then you have on the other side where it's like, just. Two airy and flighting, whoop D do kind of feminine energy has to be like in the middle and balanced. Correct. And of course I love how you said it applied to men and women. Yes.

And we can have a conversation about that.

Cuz like, well, why is fine? Why do you wanna improve? Why do you wanna change it? Well, we're the custodians of evolution. We're always looking at how the next generation can be better. It's wired in our brain. So sitting with your feminine energy and what makes you. Beautiful and lovely, and, and the power of the feminine energy.

And which is why we have the symptom of narcissist kind behaviors, because what's happened with the masculine energy, look at it from their perspective. , they knew the rules they were in charge. It worked. It did work to, you know, it got it, got an outcome. It's put bread on the table. It's given us technology it's it worked right.

It worked. And we had a very set role masculine role in the family female role in the family. It worked and it's worked for millions of years. Suddenly this happens. Equality me too. And what found is a couple of things are happening. One is the power of the masculine is being eroded. The power of the masculine is being eroded.

They just, it's a very confused space for the masculine. , they had power, they've channeled it and they used to use it. Now it's vilified. As the toxic masculine energy. , so then they dunno what to do, and that's why, some of the saddest relationships I see is the ones where you've got a puppy dog guy, where the woman is just saying, he'll say what I think he says, do this, nip it.

And he has kind of gone the wrong way. And this man, the masculine energy has this been eroded and he's like, yes, sir. No, sir. Three bags bull, sir. I hate to see that, that's not the glorious. Kingly nature of what that masculine power can be for us, because frankly, as Queens, we need the king, you know, we need that container.

, and it happened with my dad, actually, my dad's my granddad. Very toxic energy, very to, he used to, you know, the worst beating his woman, you know, the worst affairs you name it. He did, he did all the qualities of toxic masculine. So my father, he despised that because he loved his mother and he couldn't bear to see her being beaten up and pretty much tortured right.

To her last breath or love. , so he went the opposite way. He, he was just, he was nothing. He just didn't. He was, he just said, I'm not gonna be like. Toxic masculine, but I don't know where to go. So he was, impotent, you know, he was a lovely guy. He never raised his voice even once in my whole memory. I don't remember him raising his voice even once, but there was no MP to him.

He was just lost because of course there's a masculine energy. He has a power, but he doesn't know how to transmute it to purpose. In in the new world. , I think this is what's happening. So, so the journey for the masculine energy here is to tap into that power, be proud of that power, but it's being fueled by something different.

It's not being fueled by competition. Scarcity. Command control is being powered by love. It's being powered by emotion. And how does that masculine get there? He gets it by getting radically loved up. And this is why it's our passion to get the world radically loved up because the fastest way for all of us to grow is to get loved up because it means we need to, to the growth and, um, yeah.

Sorry, Karl, masculine energy. What would you like to,

And, , the equality drive started in the seven. , from Sweden. , and , when we had our kids, I, made sure I actually resigned from my job to stay at home, to look after the kids, even though we are living here in the UK. , , but what's, but what's interesting is that. The highest divorce rate , in the world is actually in Sweden or one of the highest divorce rates, because the polarity between the masculine and the feminine , has become so blurred.

Everyone is the same. So the, charge between the two energies, , have disappeared. And that's why in Sweden there is a lot of relationships that are not working because of that. So the, so going back to the, the masculine energy and I've had to work on this myself, , because I've always been kind of like a very soft guy.

. Always very easily triggered. So whenever had fights or whenever, beautiful divine got us here, , felt emotional. She didn't feel safe. She didn't feel. Sort of looked after or she felt, , there was something going on. I was, I always felt, accused and I felt, , it was quite often we fell into this trap of who is being right , in the conversation or,

And it was like, Nope, we are starting on you. We are fixing you. We are pulling out all of these, , past traumas. We're gonna work on all these things. And we're not even talking about your relationship, cuz that's not really the problem.

Yes.

Paul, he did this. Then she said that, then she went crazy. Won't believe what she did. Then he did that and it's like, Seriously guys, blamestorming, blamestorming, blamestorming that is not gonna get us anywhere.

This journey is about radical responsibility and radical accountability. What have you brought to the relationship? Because ultimately your relationships are a mirror of your relationship with yourself and law of attraction. People manifesting people, you know this, right. You know, The energy and , the resonance, the energy that you feel within yourself is what you attract.

really.

So you think, oh, well that, that's kind of what I deserve. That's all, all I'm worth. I can't possibly deserve to be treated like a princess or a queen because I just don't deserve that. I'm not that lovable. So that, that's the kind of the, the foundation pillar, which is back to self love, isn't it. And having that relationship with yourself.

So yeah, you know, radical accountability of what you are bringing to the relationship. And part of this, especially for women is, , It's about them learning to express their voice. , this is something new for women. This is a whole new thing, because as I say, so how we started this women have just never had a voice.

It's like, okay, you take this or you are homeless and you staff, what would you like, darling? right. That's what we've had since the beginning of time.

uh, what is that? Those Saint asylums they called for the women. The, I forget what they called

them. Hysteric hysterical woman. Right.

I can't control it, which is why we need that rock of the masculine energy. That is not triggerable. I don't know if that's a word

but is that safety that provides a safetyness , that won't get into defensive patterns, but will just be there and make you feel safe. And then instantly, if you like that, rage can then very quickly subsides.

And after seven attempts I finally got out. So if you're stuck in.

So how can you be able to accept that? Work on that.

Oh, she really loves herself. You know, it's a swear word. It's very weird. We it's, it's an insult. Um, so especially for, you know, British people, it's a real thing to just look in the mirror. And some people say, I, I can't even look at myself. I can't look at my eye. I'll say it. It's like, look her in the eye.

Say tell her really with your heart. I love. 10 times. So I start people off that, and then we have a scale of building that self worth. Cause I say, ultimately, people can only disrespect you if you allow them to the second part of this, which we started to allude to. So thank you for bringing me back on track is about expressing your voice.

The female needs to learn how to express her voice. She's never expressed her voice since the beginning of time. And we're only figuring out how to express her voice. The only role model she's had is the masculine energy. And we don't wanna go there. We don't wanna go into command. Control hierarchy. You know, we don't wanna move, move from a patriarch society to a matriarch society because essentially it's the same, but with long hair, it makes no difference.

So what we want is a new world, a new humanity, where the masculine energy and the feminine energy really love each other, respect each other, admire each other. Co-create together because that's what it's gonna take to create a new model of reality. We need both. And therefore we need to respect and admire the essence of what makes us different because we need the masculine power.

come up with new possibilities. We can come with new. Have you considered this, that, so we need this co-creation mentality, which, which can only come from respect and admiration of the differences.

, so for the woman, let's go back to this. She needs to heal. She needs number one, she just needs to. It's learned to express her needs. And this sounds so simple, but really when I work with couples, she's just never told her guy what she wants. Simple

This is back to education. about how you deal with sexes and what the differences are in their needs. So quite straight. And I love men because they're really straightforward. You just say, I would like to be spoken to in this way, or, you know, a lot of couples, they, you know, they have problems, uh, sexually.

And I've said, well, have you actually ever asked your man, what is it you want, you know, he's been doing whatever he's been playing with your elbow for 10 years, or have you just said, well, actually, darling, that doesn't work for me, but what I'd love you to do is play with my earlobe , but it just hasn't occurred to them to ask.

And instead they have very dissatisfying like sexual intimacy, for example, and it sounds really silly. A lot of the couples I work with, it's simply this case they've never expressed their need because why, why? Because they haven't felt worthy of having their needs met.

So learning to speak and communicate and express your needs. That's the first pillar, the second part of healing, your voice is boundaries. Boundaries. And this is where obviously with the narcissist

stuff, it comes in, this is where it comes here. And, this boundary thing is, , , sometimes, women will have boundaries around everything, boundary Barry, Mary, Mary, right.

Do this, and you put the teabag in the wrong place and you underpants are here and you didn't put the garbage boundary. It's like, whoa, boundary, overload,

And so, for example, in our relationship, Carl's a big Swede and he has a big voice and you can't see, but he's twice the size of me. I'm a little brown girl and I used to talk very softly, especially initially. And so when he would get excited, his voice would be boom. And I just couldn't take the volume.

Well, because it makes me feel unsafe. I can, you know, get into stress mode. And then I can't think, um, so I will not be spoken to with a raised voice. And this is the trick consequences. If you do speak to me in a raised voice, I do love you and respect you. And I wanna resolve this issue, but I'm gonna have to walk away because I'm not gonna be rational once I'm triggered, because I'm gonna get hyper stress mode.

I'm gonna get full of cortisol and adrenaline. That's when the red monster comes out and I become into rage and it's not reasonable and it's a downward cycle. So if you raise your voice, I do wanna resolve the issue, but I'm gonna have to walk away until we can calmly come together with love and figure out what the root cause of the issues are.

And this was where I find with a lot of women. First of all, they don't establish what the real boundaries are. And as I say, 80 20 rule, Nope, don't boundary yourself. everywhere. Just the real things that really matter and then be

free and

easy on the

think they're having issues with not

I'm not shouting. It's like, I'm sorry that doesn't make me feel good. It makes me feel scared. So I can't take that. That is a boundary, um, or whatever, you know, whatever the boundary

Cuz they're constantly.

Let's have a think about this. or would be a better response than that choice of language. Yeah. Obviously we're not doing that. We're going get the fuck outta me. I hate you. You always do this. and I've done that. So that's why I can role play it very easily. Poor car has taken this cause I'm just full of stress hormones.

It's not me. It's my stress hormones. so, so you, you pre agree your. And this is your relationship with yourself. What am I prepared to take? What am I not prepared to take? Where am I red lines? Right? Then you discuss those boundaries. When, when both of you are in a nice place, right when you're a nice, but these are my boundaries.

These are my boundaries. And the important bit consequences. This is the bit most people leave out because then you see as a female. If you don't have pre-agreed consequences and you do not follow through, you have no potency, you have no power. And this is when it goes on the mad rant. You always does it.

You never,

I have my dear call and I have three sons. So I have to become a master out of this just through survival. And, you know, I've I've I know like crazy ran. Fisher woman thing. Doesn't work with my boys. and now it's got to a point when, when I lower my voice and I'm actually speak really softly, the boys go, oh shoot, here we go.

we're in trouble because I will follow through on consequence and they know it. But I'm not gonna follow through. As I did this, I'm following through with a pre good consequence and they know I've been business. So with the kids, it's easy, right? Whatever, time out, no tech, whatever. But honestly, it's the same with Carl.

you're, if your consequences continue to lead you down the path where you need to actually find someone who loves you, then that's okay. I think that's the scary part of letting go.

But

well. You know?

you know, I wouldn't take that. And Carl knows that. So if, if there is infidelity for me, that's a red line for me. No, it's gonna be non-negotiable. There will be consequence and I will follow through. And because I always follow through and consequence, my word has potency.

My words have power and therefore I don't need to turn into a raging, crazy screaming Fisher woman where the guy's going, what happened to her she's turned into a wild beast because the reason we do that is because we're so frustrated. It's like, oh, I just dunno what to do. I dunno how to channel this frustration

have

to use your words and voice. Yeah. With consequences. You have control real easily.

Yeah.

Finding that confidence within yourself. We call it, , for the hero to rise. So the hero within to actually arise , to become kind of like unshakeable. , you are becoming immune to. To criticism. So you are, kind of like rising above the, emotions and , everything that is kind of , bringing you down.

But , it's getting yourself to a level where, you, self love. It's self love as well for the man. I mean, it's so important for the, man to feel self love. Quite often, the way that if you are behaving in a narcissistic way is because you don't have that for yourself.

So you're feeling criticized or you're feeling disempowered and the way is to lash out back. , so it's really to cultivate that sort of inner strength. Yeah. It it's a very similar thing, but , it is about for the masculine to embrace his power. You know what we said, , the new role models of male, they haven't gone avenue to embody this powerful energy and it results in two, , Reactions either they become angry or they disengage and hide.

And this is where you get puppy dog, men, which are I potent, which I, I really don't like to see, or you get angry, men who attack and compete and, and that's when they attract narcissist women. And sadly, I've seen that as well. , and so ultimately it's for both of the, sexes to. Embody their true, masculine femini energy within them know where they really set.

it is a catalyst for growth. I mean, can you imagine a world that's driven by. Leaders who are radically loved up by politicians that are radically loved up by business. People who are crazily loved up, like really, because it means they've done the work. That's what it means to really love someone and be vulnerable.

It means you've done the work on yourself and you're evolved best version of yourself and your intimate relationships are a portal to a vast presence of you. And then. Your intimate relations you grow, and then that's what you share to the world, and what kind of parents are you gonna be when you are radically loved up and, you know, sadly 80% relationships fail, but even sadder, 50% of children are come from broken homes.

What kind of software and trauma are these poor children experiencing? And that's why really we are so passion. And we may sound like old hippies or the middle life crisis, but really the more I think through this and the more we think through this, the answer to pretty much everything get loved up, get loved up.

Love is the only truth. Love is our real embodiment. Love is the only thing that we. Deeply desire. And when we don't feel loved, that's when the trauma comes up. That's when the fear comes up because our deepest fear is fear of rejection. And that's when our hyper stress response comes up. That makes us act reasonably.

Cuz as I say, our deepest need is connection.

You know, that that is, that is a thing. And the way we do that is through being in our divine F. So, uh, yes. If, if throwing love the situation doesn't work, we throw more love at it. that's the answer

forgive them better distance and no contact with you need to , but you're still throwing love in the energy vicinity of D directly into yourself in your way.

And I'm so sad. You're suffering so much, but I'm leaving and I love you.

Yes, but. We, we all can get to a point and sometimes you're, co-parenting, you know, we just had a, a guest and you always, like, you could never go no contact so you can do the whole great rock and all that, but still, yeah, absolutely.

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