Yes ... 350 episodes. That's a lot!

In this episode, we discussed a few things, namely:

• Do Australians pay too much income tax?
• Wages back to 2008?
• Land Banking
• Designed Obsolescence
• Foreign Affairs ep 350
• Douglas MacGregor
• Old Joke
• Pelosi
• Ground News
• Lydia Thorpe
• Religion ep 350
• Footballers are at the centre of religious Freedom Debates
• Bishop Robbed at Gunpoint During Sermon
• John Barilaro
• Can it get any worse for the Victorian Liberals? Yes, it can
• Prayers in Parliament
• Federal Politics
• Reservoir Dogs 2 looks shit
• Small Nuclear Reactors
• Pop Quiz
• Morrison and Boats
• No Point to Morrison
• Will there be a point to Albanese?
• We are all Charlie Browns
• Census data shows poorest seats voted Coalition; byelections or polls from four states
• UK Politics
• How will a new Tory leader be chosen?
• The State of British Politics
• Qld Coal tax
• US Politics
• Alex Jones
• Trump searched
• Trump and the generals

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Yes, dear listener.

We're back live on Tuesday night.

I'm back from a holiday.

I'm here with Joe.

How are you, Joe?

I'm good.

You I'm very well.

So feeling relaxed and refreshed.

. If you are watching you after that little boat bobbing on

the ocean, I'm not surprised.

Yeah.

If you're watching the live stream or the video, then you would've

seen scenes from Fitzroy island where I was, which is just off cans.

And it's just like a 45 minute catamaran journey.

And there's a resort there.

And the beauty of it is that the sun sets over the water, which

is always very nice and romantic.

And you can just walk off the beach and there's great coral for snorkeling.

So, so I highly recommend Fitzroy island.

If you go to cans, it's excellent.

So the resort not too expensive, not too flash, but it's like not five

star, but anyway, all very good.

Good to be back.

Good to be live.

All of the recording stuff seemed to work well.

So that was a triumph.

If you're in the chat room, say hello.

Hello, Tanya.

And you're the first one there.

Good on you.

Alright, well tonight we're gonna talk about economics, foreign affairs,

religion, federal politics, pop quiz, usual mixture where probably cover

30 topics in two hours, something crazy like that Mell in the chat room.

But as I was doing the heading for the proma for this, I realized episode

350, which is a nice number to reach.

And that means also on the 4th of July, the podcast passed the seven year.

Mark, I guess.

So, so scary thought it is isn't it.

So 50 episodes a year, seven times 53 50.

I'm keeping up a good pace.

so are you Joe?

Cause we were just discussing, trying to work out how long you've been on

it and it seems like couple years, a hundred, a hundred odd episodes.

Yeah, something like that.

Although I don't know if it's as many episodes cuz we've been

doing fortnightly for a while.

Yeah.

So, so anyway so yeah, 350 episodes.

Well, I will pause and just reflect a little bit on the podcast.

So obviously with starting with Scott, who's up there in Mackay now,

and we'll be back on at different times, Scott, if you're there.

Hello.

And you know, looking back Paul, the 12th man was, and Shay, and now Joe, and

over the years, there's been some regular guests, such as Hugh Harris and Craig as

deep throat and Paul WAPA in recent times.

And also Cameron Riley appeared a few times as well over the years.

So thank you to all those people who have chipped in from time to time.

And the butterfly man, Frank.

Yes, that's right.

Frank Jordan, the butterfly man was in a couple of times.

Yeah.

So originally delist like, it's a bit, I mean, all the

old episodes are still there.

You can go right back to the very beginning.

Originally very much focused on secular issues, religion, and there's only

so much you can talk about with that.

And so we, you know, worked into just general politics and stuff.

And when I was doing my submarine episode, I realized that I started

talking about submarines way back in like episode five or something like that.

So I've been on submarines for a long time.

That was one of my better picks where I said, this is completely ridiculous

and it's turned out to be the case.

And also it's yeah, definitely things have changed.

I mean, previously I was definitely more right.

Wing leaning than I am now more libertarian right wing in those days I was

agreeing with the 12th million more far more than I would today would be the case.

So that's alright to sort of, change your opinions over time.

Like I think I have on different things maybe just change perspective

as well on some things without necessarily changing the opinion.

I mean, you can look at some things and think they're a big

problem, but really they're not, it's not what's going on so much.

So I think like things like qui let was a website that I quite liked

in the early days and probably liked Brendan O'Neal in spiked.

Probably even Douglas Murray, somebody like that.

But after a while you realize actually it's just a straw Manning of stuff.

That's not really going on, it's a beat up.

So that's, you know, how I sort of think about a lot of that stuff.

So I shouted to think of some of the things I said back in the early

days and who knows in three years time, Joe, I may shout to think

about what I'm about to say tonight.

I, I do remember a discussion about voting green, right?

And, and I think how outlandish it seemed.

I think I played a clip from a, from somebody who said, I've, I, I may

have lost my may have lost something, but I haven't lost my fucking mind.

And he was, he wasn't gonna vote green or something like that.

So yeah.

Ended up voting green in the last election.

Yeah, in defense even though I have sort of been sympathetic to some of

those characters, I always despised Jordan fucking Peterson, like from the

very beginning and also Scott Morrison.

So I can pick some charlatans off from a distance pretty quickly.

yeah.

I mean the whole channel for interview with Jordan Peterson was

a masterclass in how to not let somebody put words into your mouth.

Yes.

It was a aside from that, the man just Vaus bullshit, I think is

the, with a frightening amount of religion thrown in there and yeah.

Love of the Bible.

Yeah.

Where I think a lot of rationalists initially thought,

oh, this guy seemed interesting.

And once you really look through the gobbledygook, you thought, oops, this

is perilously close to some religious Dogman that this guy's promoting you.

And, and I, I, there were a few liberal minded people who around

the time of COVID seemed to just go completely off the deep end.

I.

They realized that the left were ignoring them and that to raise

funds that they needed to go further.

Right.

And they have yeah.

Captured by their audience to some extent you thinking March.

No.

Was, is that what you're thinking?

I, no, I wasn't actually, I was thinking of Brett Weinstein and

his wife, Heather hing, right.

The, oh, the UK comedians, the podcast trigonometry.

Yes.

They went off the rails who?

Yeah.

So there was a whole load that went deep into the conspiracies.

Yep.

Yeah.

Oh, Deepak Chopra.

No, Deepak Chopra has never.

And, and John, my point was, I wasn't on board with Peterson

from the very beginning.

I said, the guy is a, is not to be glorified in any way.

So yeah.

But you're right.

There was that sort of internet, intellectual, dark web.

And I really like a podcast, dear listen, called decoding the gurus,

which is looking at the Weinsteins and the Jordan Petersons, the

Douglas Murrays, the even Sam Harris.

I still like Sam Harris.

I think he's blind to a few things, particularly economics and American

power, but but decoding, the gurus is a really good podcast for looking at

some of these characters in depth and, and And just decoding them and looking

at what they're saying, is it sensible?

Do a lot of these guys have a thing where they would dog whistle, they would sort of

invite guests onto their shows where the guests were say anti-vaxxers or something.

And in amongst their interview, while 90% of the time they were supportive of

their guests, they would occasionally throw in a line that would would

say, oh, that would be Contra the anti-vax line, which their supporters

could use as a line, say C an excuse.

He doesn't.

Yes.

As an excuse C, he didn't swallow the whole thing.

He said this, but it paled into insignificance when 90% of the time

they'd be agreeing with these nut.

So anyway, that's an interesting phenomena where people have been captured by

their audience and have gone further.

Right.

Joe Ogan was a good point.

I mean, he had anybody and everybody on.

Mm.

And as long as he curated who he had on, so listening to the black astronomer.

Neil Neil deGrasse.

Tyson.

Yeah.

Neil deGrasse.

Tyson.

Yeah.

Listening to him talk unrestricted for three hours was great.

Then he had some wellness psychologist who believed that

there was no such thing as illness.

We were just eating badly.

Mm.

And listening to her go on unrestricted for three hours was painful.

Yep.

Yep.

So, yeah, DEC indicating the Gus has done a lot on, on Joe

Joe Rogan as well, so I'm sure.

Yeah.

So anyway, look at that that one.

So looking back so I've got all my show notes, dear listener in one word document

that's currently running at 2,738 pages.

So, you know, you can split your word document into multiple sub documents.

Well, makes it quicker to load this load's quick enough, surprisingly.

Okay.

Yeah.

And you know, it makes it easy to look back and find things.

So I definitely, if I wanna write a book, it's all sitting there.

Like when I think of things, I go, ah, did we talk about that once?

And I can do a word search and find it.

So that's a handy resource after seven years highlights over the times would

be probably, oh, you really enjoyed my arguments with the Toth man.

That was good.

Fun.

Like, I'd have a list of topics.

And there might be 20 topics long and I'd get to number two.

And that would be it by the by the time I'd finished arguing with

Paul, it was good in those days, we can argue and is when it got round

to cave that it all fell apart.

But anyway, mm-hmm, , low lights would be wasn't so much the podcast.

It was the perjury allegation against Robin, which by the way, do you listen

that we have heard nothing about, so fingers crossed it's now nearly four

months, I guess, since all that happened.

So you would've thought if they were gonna do something, they would've

asked to interview him by now.

So we'll give it a few more months and then hopefully you ask for them

to tell you that yeah, give it a few more months and then we'll reach out

to them and say can you just confirm, you're not gonna do anything with this.

And that would be nice to know that that's not hanging over our heads.

So, so, yeah.

And I've enjoyed the interaction, like the people in the chat room John and Matthew

and Mel and Eric and Chris and Brahman, of course, Craig Tanya all in the chat room.

It's even though I've never met most of you it's been, I feel like

I've met like Broman in particular.

I feel like I know Broman based on her comments.

So that's all the highlights.

And just to finish off the self-indulgent little session current obsessions

are looking forward on quite interested in economics and history.

and the propaganda surrounding these two topics.

So I wish I had read more about the history of power in economics.

And cause I think you need to understand what has gone on before

in order to understand the current state of play and the best solutions

like understanding China, Taiwan USA.

If you only look at what's happened in the last few months, you

are totally missing the point.

You have to go back a hundred years at least to see how it all

fits in and to understand it.

So, so yeah, that's what I'm interested in doing is sort of delving into

that and explaining those things.

And it's an in, you know, at least with this podcast, the island Fest and the

Velva glove, we can delve into whatever topic we feel like at any particular time.

It's not like the podcast is called the secular agenda or something

like that podcast where I am compelled to talk about one topic.

I can, we can scoot around, talk about anything that's of interest.

Do you know much about the Armenian genocide at all?

Only that the young Turks were involved in some way, right?

The young toes TV show was named after some people who were

involved in the genocide, right.

And the Turkey.

Doesn't admit that it ever happened.

I think, yes.

Yeah.

So I've been reading a book by Fisk about middle east stuff.

And just reading about the Armenian genocide 1.5 million people equally as

horrific and as an intentional, as the Jewish Holocaust, like just loading

people onto trains and gassing them in minds and all sorts of just terrible

wiping out of an ethnic minority.

And I thought just, it's crazy that I did not know any of this

before and interesting that even, yeah, I, I was vaguely aware of

it, but yeah, I think it was only because I was going the young Turks.

Yeah.

Why the young Turks and look that up.

Yeah.

And part of it is because Turkey refuses to acknowledge that there was a genocide

and it's such an important player in the middle east that nobody wants to upset

them cuz they all want them on their side.

So they sort of pander to this Turkish propaganda line and effectively deny

a Holocaust, which if it was the Jewish Holocaust, you know, you would

be ostracized as a Holocaust Denyer.

But because this is just a different Holocaust and it suits people.

Yeah.

Anyway, well, we, we really don't talk about Stalin's genocide.

Do we.

all the great leap forward mm-hmm so we did talk a little bit once about

China with different things there.

So, I just meant as a society.

Mm.

We, we are very aware of the, the Nazi Holocaust, but we haven't right.

Even PO pots.

Yep.

And Rwanda, they're certainly not to the cultural front in the same way

that Western history we're missing.

Yeah.

Bits of, yeah.

So anyway, over time, over the next seven years, well, explore some of that more

history because it's interesting right.

In the chat room.

You're right.

Broman.

Yes.

Broman, apparently Hitler got quite a lot of his inspiration

from the Armenian genocide.

Indeed.

He did a lot of the German sort of future generals were in that area and, and were

watching how to, how to commit a genocide.

So they did in fact get a lot of tips from it.

So, yes.

It's interesting.

There's a Netflix series that was actually French it's called za gluten

mm-hmm , which is all about the Nazi death squads going through Eastern Europe.

Mm.

And talking about how inefficient they were at the beginning and.

The attrition rate of the soldiers who were committing the trustees,

just, you know, the, the drinking, the insanity, saying that people

just, this, this wholesale slaughter people cannot cope with.

Right.

And that's why they industrialized.

Okay.

So it was, this is why Jim and he industrialized, what, what do you

mean by the, the industrialized, the slaughter, ah, industrialized slaughter.

So, so gas.

So rather you have to look at them.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yep.

And then you get the prisoners to do the clearing out and all that sort of stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

Okay.

So that's a review of 350 episodes in a nutshell, seven years of my life.

two of Joe's.

We'll just keep going.

Right?

Little bit of economics, first of all, do Australians pay too much income tax.

And this is from an article again in the John Menger blog.

I did a word search on John Manou in my document, it would come up

with thousands of hits, I think.

So, Australians pay too much income tax or so some argue the Australian

financial reviews, economics editor, John Keho, for example, has noted.

Australians are paying more personal income tax as a share

of government revenue than any other advanced economy except.

But the high taxing Scandinavian welfare state of Denmark and the Australian

financial review after the election said two heavy reliance on taxing, productive

workers and businesses, earnings, blunt incentives to work, save and invest.

So Australian financial review Australia pay more personal income tax is a

share of government revenue than any other advanced economy except Denmark.

And guess what?

In this article, they've done the figures and you're gonna see them.

So it's, and you know, I wouldn't disagree because the richest people in

the country don't have much earned income.

Yes.

In terms of well, let's go through the figures and then see whether

that statement personal income tax that Australians are paying

as a share of government revenue.

So, first chart it's appearing on the screen is so these figures are

from 2019 because this is the last one of the most recent year in which

the O E C D has complete statistics.

And you will see that Australia ranks second amongst O C D member

countries on personal income tax as a share of total taxes.

Sure.

Enough there's Australia and red.

The only one to the left of the line is Denmark.

And so on the face of it, Australians are paying a high

proportion of tax as income tax.

So, and that's been the case for a long time.

Australia has ranked second or third in 36 of the past 40 years on that statistic.

But, and dear, listen, this is the thing, there are lies,

damned lies and statistics.

If you like, like this is what we found during the whole COVID argument stuff was

the way that statistics could be massaged in whatever way you want to present them.

You have to be really, I, I, I think as well, the, the tax isn't necessarily

what you need to be measuring.

It's what you get for the tax.

How much other things out of pocket do I have to pay for?

You know, I have to have medical insurance on top.

Mm.

Because Medicare is underfunded.

Yes.

Yep.

So I'm paying another, whatever it is, 2000, 3000, however, many

thousand a year as medical insurance.

Couldn't I pay that as a tax instead.

Yeah.

Well there's all these factors come into it.

So, so that was just part of the picture that, that straight statistic of

income tax as a proportion, but Overall Australia's level of taxation as measures.

A proportion of GDP is relatively low, 27.7% to the O E C D average of 33%.

So this is level of taxation, all taxes as a proportion of GDP.

So that's the next chart.

And we are at the lower end of the scale compared to other O E CD countries

where the 10th lowest taxing nations.

So, so far we've showed two charts.

Income tax is being extremely high, but overall tax being at the lower end.

Right.

But it's complicated.

It's more complicated than that.

Other nations have social security taxes.

So Australian New Zealand and Denmark fund social security from general government

revenue, the other 35 O C D nations levy specific taxes on employers and

employees to fund social security systems.

So it's not called income tax.

It's called social security levy which is a mixture on employers and

employees, which we don't even have.

So, until we.

A 1% Medicare tax.

I think that's counted as personal because it's part of our tack

under our personal income tax.

Okay.

But so they're not counting that in this they've counted

that in the personal income tax.

So if you take into account the fact that in other countries, either via

the employer or directly via the employee, they're paying another tax,

which is more or less like an income tax, but it's called something else.

Social security.

Did you pay this overseas?

Joe?

Can you remember being charged income tax and others taxes?

I, yeah.

But you were in a tax Haven, weren't you?

Yeah, exactly.

So it was a flat 20% income tax.

Yeah.

That's good.

Social security.

You're not a good example.

No, no.

We won't use you.

Which Jersey was very prosper.

Yeah.

Jersey was very prosperous at the time.

No, not so much.

Now you're not a good example for this.

So anyway, in these other countries, if you take into account the fact

that in addition to income tax, they have these social security taxes and

you factor that into the equation.

Whereas previously we were second only to Denmark in terms of how much

we pay when you whack those taxes in.

Well, where again, back at the lower end of the scale, in terms

of adding up personal income tax and see social security, taxe.

Social security also covers your pension, right?

Yep.

Which, which isn't means tested in a lot of these countries.

Yep.

And in Australia we have this compulsory superannuation, so you

have to factor that into the equation.

And let me just see here.

Let me just see, why don't I just put up on the chart was reliance

on social security taxes and after you've factored them in, you get this

chart here where we're down to the lower end again, in terms of taxes.

But when you add in superannuation, because as you said, Joe, in those

other countries, the social security tax goes towards retirement benefits.

Whereas we in Australia have compulsory superannuation, which

goes to our retirement benefits.

So if you factor in those figures, then guess what, we're still at the

lower end of the scale, according to all this data and the links

are in the show notes and the calculations and how they arrive at it.

So I guess the the thing about that whole exercise, dear

listener, on the face of it.

The Australian financial review was correct to say that we have

extremely high, personal income tax second highest in the world.

But unless you go through the exercise and, and factor in all

those other bits, you don't, you're not getting the true picture.

So somebody with an agenda who wants taxes lowered can, can provide you with

a, a baseline statistic that seems quite compelling in the initial circumstance.

And then when you dig deeper and understand, then you arrive

at a different conclusion.

So it's just people with an agenda who are not who are disingenuous when

they're arguing and misleading, and you've gotta be on your guard for it.

Haven't you, when people say things and you think I'm not sure if

that's right, Google it, and you'll your intuition might be right.

Like just don't trust people.

Don't trust people.

Don't trust me.

Have a look at these things and see if, just dig a bit deeper when

things come, things like this come up lies dam's lies and statistics.

Yeah.

It's a famous quote.

Isn't it?

That's quite true.

Mm-hmm saying, what are they saying?

The chat room?

Joe oh, Chris is saying that he was in Austria and was paying 50%.

Income tax mm-hmm , but the level of government support was much, much higher.

And therefore at the end of the day, he had more cash in hand.

Yep, yep.

To spend on consumables such as holidays.

Yep.

And the thing is when, when these services are provided by the government, it's far

more efficient than private enterprise example, a healthcare in America where

they basically say you're on your own.

It's the most expensive on the O C D indeed.

So that's just the classic example where you would want to be paying

higher taxes because it's the most efficient way to deliver a service

that nearly everybody needs.

So, there was an article in the, I was gonna say the, the biggest

benefit I saw argued was there's a single negotiator with drug companies.

Mm-hmm so rather than having a hundred different insurance companies, each

negotiating, their own deal, you just have the government that says, right.

We would need this drug.

We're gonna pay.

I mean, apparently New Zealand has pays even less than we do.

Mm-hmm because of the way they negotiate their drug prices.

Right.

Yep.

And yet, and yet the drug companies are still happy to sell.

Medicines indeed.

Whereas in America, like insulin is out of Payton.

It's one of the cheapest things to actually produce, but it's incredibly

expensive and just keeps going up and up.

So, so yeah.

And there was an article in the rationale.

I know I RA I bag the rationale one, two episodes ago for their

Douglas Murray episode, but there was one by their president along the

lines of, Hey, paying more taxes.

Isn't a bad thing.

If you're getting a service for it, you know, that's absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that's, so it's not only the mentality of, are we the lowest or highest taxing

country, but when you, when you look at happiness ratings and efficiencies

of governments, you know, the ones that are paying where people are

paying the higher taxes are generally the happiest communities because

these things aren't being supplied.

Mm.

Yes.

Me says, but privatization of utilities is awesome.

Telstra energy outside Queensland, et cetera.

I've got an article on all that Mel coming up.

So, cause I was looking Mel about I mentioned a couple of weeks ago

about, ah, I'm not so sure about the Hawk heating ears and just the

introduction of, you know, they sold off a lot of stuff and yeah.

So I've got an article about that.

They really kicked off a bit of neoliberalism in Australia, walking

Keating for all their good stuff.

They did.

Mm.

Okay.

Still in economics, in Australia wages, because we know that prices are going

to continue to rise and wages are not, they're doing some forecasting.

And there's a chart there, real wages that is workers income that's

been adjusted to taking into account inflation are going backwards.

This is from Dr.

Greg Jericho, the center for future works policy director.

Look, I'm pretty sure it's a left wing organization but it gets worse.

And it sounds as households struggle with rising cost of essentials, real

disposable income is set to fall for months to come sending workers back

to what they were earning in real terms over a decade ago, the latest

reserve bank statement, estimates that real wages will continue to fall.

That's the reserve banked that wages will continue to fall

until the end of next year.

At which point they will be back to 2008 levels.

There you go.

And that's what that chart shows.

That's the that's what we're looking at there.

So by 6% of effectively, yeah.

So big drops in real wages.

I did that article about, oh, I did that interview with Carl Fitzgerald about

land banking and he mentioned that there was going to be a report coming out.

So that report is out.

If you just Google prosper Australia land banking report.

You'll see it.

Oh, hi, SHA Shay likes the chart.

Shane aren't you glad you're out of Haas.

Holy smokes.

That would be a tough organization to be working for now.

Anyway prosper Australia, that report is out about land banking.

And you said to me, Joe, about that mm-hmm that book came of mates.

Yes.

I think by Cameron Murray, it turns out it's from, and he was like

the co-author with Karl Fitzgerald on this prosper Australia report.

Okay.

And he has put out an updated version of that book game of mates.

And I can't remember the name of the book, but it's out there dear listener.

Yes.

You could find it.

Which is all about this whole idea of land banking, where they've

looked at developers who have received approval for rezoning.

They can sell the land, but they wouldn't wanna flood the market

with hundreds of lots because that would just drive the price down.

So they drip feed it out and there's no.

Regulation in the system to force developers to move land

on that's ready to be sold.

So, yep.

Which is interesting because I was reading about early 20th ERY

squatters, and they were given blocks of land to clear, but they had to

improve the land within five years.

Yeah.

Or it was resumed.

So it reverted back to the government.

Yeah.

So maybe we need to do that on these developers.

It should be, yeah.

You can have this rezoning provided you release it in total,

within, within a certain yeah.

Within five years.

Yeah.

Yep.

Or, or it's compulsory purchase at whatever price yeah.

For the government to then sell.

Yeah.

It's don't hold your breath waiting for it.

I mean, these are simple ideas aren't they, it's not, it's not hard to do.

Yeah.

In the chat room, they're talking about dental care.

When I did the I looked at a wealth tax on the Elizabeth Warren wealth tax,

if it was introduced in Australia and it would only kick in on people who

have got five, $500 million or more.

And essentially you tax them at 2%.

Two or 3% for their wealth above that.

And you could fund dental as part of Medicare and have

plenty of change left over.

Now I think the greens are talking about that sort of stuff.

Well, if you didn't by submarines, you could probably fund dental.

Indeed.

Yep.

Everything's everything can be measured by submarines.

Yeah.

Right.

Because we had 12 submarines initially at 50 billion and it was 4.16 per submarine.

I didn't blew that to 80 billion, but yeah, for a long while there, Scott and I

were measuring budget materials in terms of submarines and who knows once we buy

secondhand nuclear subs from the UK or the us, what that's gonna blow out to.

Yeah.

I don't think they're gonna sell 'em to us.

I think I got a suspicion Australia's going to build their own subs here.

Apparently the Collins class were built here.

Sure.

It had a hiccup at one point, like it made a lot of noise, but they were

able to fix it sort of was a success story of building a submarine in

Australia building a nuclear submarine.

Well, no, they won't build a nuclear and that's the point because they

won't be able to build nuclear.

They'll build a non-nuclear submarine.

Fingers crossed.

That'll be a test of this new government solar powered.

Mm . Do you have a BMW strangely enough?

No.

BMW.

According to the verge is now selling subscriptions for heated

seats subscriptions for heated seats in a number of countries.

This is the latest example of the company's adoption of micro transactions.

For high end car features, a monthly subscription to heat your BMW front

seats costs roughly $18 a month with options to subscribe for a year,

$180, three years, $300, or pay for unlimited access to warm seats for $415.

And this reminds me of the right to repair.

Yes.

In America.

I don't have, have you seen any of the documentaries?

No, I've never seen documentary on it.

Okay.

You obviously apple is the big one that most people think of, but actually the

big driving force farmers, because the combine harvesters are all locked down

and you need specific computers to be able to do any servicing on them.

Right.

And they're saying they have a half million dollar combine.

That is useless unless they're paying massive S not massive

burgers and who the big John Deere.

Yeah.

UN unless they're paying a John Deere license tech to come out and fix it

mm-hmm they can't do any work on it.

Yep.

And they're suing for the right to repair so they can fix these.

You they've already spent half a billion to buy the thing

and, and ate Marine . Yeah.

And, and they, they can't even change out the spark plugs

without the computer going.

Nope.

Not allowed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I saw something on Twitter where this lady said she had a printer and it just flashed

up on the screen software expired goodbye.

And there's nothing north with the printer.

It was working perfectly fine, but the software just decided time's up.

We we're calling time on this planned us obsolescence.

Yeah.

So back to the BMWs, it's not exactly clear when BMW started offering

this feature as a subscription or in which countries, but a number

of outlets this week reported spotting its launch in South Korea.

In the case of heated seats, for example, BMW owners already have all the necessary

components, but BMW has simply placed a software block on their functionality

that buyers then have to pay to remove.

And they make the point here that for some software features that might lead

to ongoing expenses for the car maker, like automated traffic camera alerts,

for example, Charging a subscription seems more reasonable, but that

is not an issue for heated seats.

Ah, we're gonna start introducing laws to stop people like BMW

charging subscription for hardware.

That's already existing.

They're probably looking at games manufacturers.

Yeah.

They will sell you this game.

Mm-hmm and then we'll make it a grind, but you can shortcut the

grind by buying this value pack.

Yeah.

Yep.

Okay.

Chris Turner says, yes, I agree.

Bronwin Chris says isn't that button on the dash for turning

on the heated dash heated seats.

I'm guessing it's somewhere in the menu system, but I'm sure that

you could run a 12 volt from the battery straight to the heater.

Mm don't get me started on 12 volt while I was on holidays.

We were up at Bingle beach just at, just north of mission beach,

went to the pub trivia night.

And one of the questions was what battery would you typically

find in a motor vehicle?

And I said, oh, I think it's pretty sure it's 12 volt.

And the ladies at the table, my wife and their sisters were like,

no, that doesn't sound right.

And they went for 24, 24 volt lost that only this a truck trucks are 24.

Val, are they.

Yeah.

Well, it was a question about cars.

Anyway, we came second, dear listener in the trivia.

You'd be please.

Tonight.

Six volts are fits a motorbike.

I really needed you.

I really needed you there.

Broman.

Yeah, your Bro's comment was, I'm just wondering whether BMW

owners deserve our sympathy.

a friend of mine just sold his Mercedes and bought a BMW.

And was sorely disappointed.

Was he?

Yes.

Was the cold seats.

It wasn't the cold seats.

No, he was just saying it, it, it was a lot more plasticy than he was used to.

Ah, right.

Okay.

I've gotta put a video up that I forgot to put up.

Let me just find this get that ready to go.

So let's switch now from domestic economic matters to foreign affairs in particular,

we're gonna do a combination now of Nancy Pelosi, visiting Taiwan and Ukraine.

Cause after all there's one common denominator with both these issues

America, and I'm really sorry, dear listener, but I'm actually gonna

play something from Tucker Carlson.

Like this is terrible.

I know like, forgive me.

It give me father for, I have seen it is X years since my last.

These are my sins.

All right.

Catholic in, you always comes out doesn't yeah, he used to make

up sins on he sitting anything.

I've gotta say something I'm supposed to be here.

I stole a rubber off somebody

he used to.

And in retrospect, if you got out of the confession box with three harm areas

and six hour fathers, you're doing well.

Okay.

Did you actually say them though?

Probably.

I would've.

Otherwise I would've gone to hell Joe.

Okay.

Let's play some of what this is.

Douglas McGregor, retired us army Colonel.

Dual administration and living memory.

We don't have anyone that qualifies as a statesman.

Statesmanship involves advancing American interests at the least

cost to the American people.

None of that is in play here.

We're dealing with a group of poses.

People who are posturing, posturing is not statesmanship.

And the American people need to understand something that no one has bothered to

tell them that during world war II Taiwan was the unsinkable aircraft carrier

of the Imperial Japanese armed forces.

All the major invasions of China were launched from Taiwan.

Beijing will not allow Taiwan.

To become a Garrison state for American armed forces or Japanese

armed forces or any foreign power.

And if they think that we are going to allow ourselves with Taiwan, if they

think we are going to intervene to defend that island in the event of a dispute,

then we will be at war with China for the reasons that I just outlined.

And we are not prepared for that.

We are grossly overstretched.

We don't have the logistical infrastructure.

And frankly, there's an old adage that everyone should remember.

A, ship's a fool to fight a Fort.

You have to fight China from the sea.

We can't win that.

China can absorb everything we throw at it, and the Chinese are happy to sit

there, let us travel thousands of miles to reach them and then sink us this.

I, I don't know why every show on TV's not covering this right now.

This seems like one of the craziest things that's happened in my lifetime.

Do you have any.

Speculation and guess as to why the Biden administration would want this.

Well, the Biden administration and its predecessors, frankly, treated

everything that the Russian government said for the last 15 years about

Ukraine with complete contempt.

They're repeating that process.

We see how well that's worked out in Ukraine.

The Russians were always serious.

Hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost in this war in Ukraine that

we should have acted quickly to stop.

Now we're provoking the Chinese over an over an issue that is at least

as strategically important to them.

That's be unbeliev.

All right.

That's I promise you no more Tucker Carlson or another 350 episodes.

Look good points in that is they're not gonna allow Garrison

state to be set up on Taiwan.

This is sort of part of their fear of Pelosi being there.

They do not wanna normalize America set stuff up in Taiwan and

the other really important part.

And I've been getting this from various other sources as well is, and

we've mentioned this before as well.

It's really, really tricky to do a Naval invasion of a country

and you've Inc incredibly vulnerable in England managed it.

Mm.

which invasion, you know, you thinking of there when they cross

the channel on D-Day or no, no, no.

The first and second opium wars, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, in modern warfare, right?

Yes.

In modern warfare where you can just lob bombs from a great distance, if you

can just be on the ground and firing stuff off over the horizon at the ships

that are coming and, you know, just aircraft carriers and whatnot, they're

just sitting ducks for all sorts of submarines and, and all the rest of it.

And they could be just gone in an instant there's no way America could

stop China if it wanted to invade.

No.

Yeah.

So they just couldn't do it.

So they're just kidding themselves.

When people say we've got to be prepared to fight China over Taiwan

and lose you just gotta add that to it.

It's just not possible.

Traveling on water with Navys and armies is not gonna work

against a half decent opponent and China's a more than half decent.

The, the question is whether China could take Taiwan without.

Completely decimating the island.

Correct.

They, they could just keep lobbing bombs on it and not, but then what

would be the point of taking it if, if it's been completely their fault.

So it's a storing, you know, stirring up a hornet's nest

that didn't need to be stirred.

And so yeah, just by the way I saw a comment as part of that video

thing, which said he was half, right.

The Imperial Japanese army used Manura as another staging point to attack China.

So I think that's true.

I think that were coming through Manura as well as from Taiwan.

So bear that in mind.

But that was that I mean she got a lot done Pelosi, according to this Twitter

person was she stimulated cyber attacks.

She got thousands of businesses banned from exporting to China.

She shut down important cross straight communication tool.

WEBO she elicited mainland military exercises and stimulated

and imminent temporary blockade.

Like it was just a little bit reminiscent of Ukraine in that everything she did was

just gonna be harmful to the Taiwanese.

I know some Chinese expats over here mm-hmm and apparently

they watch Taiwanese news.

Right to get their, to get their Chinese update because it's, it's

less sensored, it's less skewed.

Mm-hmm than what they see for coming outta China.

And what did they see about this?

I've not spoken to them about this, but it was just interesting that they get

their news from Taiwan rather than China.

The expats.

Yeah.

Yep.

I mean, the resolution of this whole thing is just to keep encouraging

China to to become as democratic as possible and to be respecting human

rights and just be a good government.

So that at the end of the day when they eventually take Taiwan

it will be not such a bad thing.

I mean, you can either just shut people out of the world economy and

just make people even more belligerent and send them in the direction.

You don't want them to go, or you can try and gather them into the

fold and, and try and work together.

So, that's not the style or you can buy oil from them whilst they

export their very virulent form of religion around the world.

Indeed.

That's right.

You really need something.

You will ignore all that other stuff, indeed.

Yeah, exactly.

With a fist bump and a burning.

Peter's chakra.

Yep.

Yes.

Whatley enjoyed that.

Good on you Whatley.

He sent me a message.

Laughed out loud.

Thought that was a good one.

That was from Caitlin Johnson.

I've got a fair bit of her stuff to quote here.

Doesn't quite fit into this bit, but I'll, I'll mention it here.

As part of one of her things I was reading is an old joke, a Russian

and an American get on a plane in Moscow and get to talking.

The Russian says he works for the Kremlin and he's on his way to learn

American propaganda techniques.

And the American says what American propaganda techniques exactly the

Russian replies . I thought it was good.

Oh, and this is the other thing.

So Pelosi, while she's over there at a news conference with Taiwanese president

Pelosi was asked what she could offer Taiwan to offset the possible costs.

The island would incur, including economic retaliation from China,

as a consequence of her visit IE you're here causing all this shit.

What can you offer in return for the mess you've made here?

She answered her visit was part of a broader us effort to have better

economic exchanges with Taiwan.

And she.

significant Taiwanese businesses are already planning to invest in

manufacturing in the United States.

And this blog moon over Alabama says, essentially, you will get sanctioned

while we will steal your prime advantage in chip manufacturing.

It's not exactly an uplifting message.

It's what you were saying.

Yeah, it sounds about right.

She said a few other things.

Trade agreements.

Yeah.

It's just like Ukraine.

It's just, America is gonna fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

And they're now proposing to fight China till the last Taiwanese

just don't fight to the Australian Ukrainians were like us Taiwanese

aren't so they don't count.

Yeah, that's true.

Caitlin Johnson article I'll put in the show notes was essentially

saying, look, Russia was saying, these are red lines regarding Ukraine.

Don't cross this red line.

And the west ignored them.

And China is saying in relation to Taiwan, don't cross this red line have been saying

for 70 years, don't cross this line.

Yep.

And.

For all those people out there who say, well, we just can't let China bully us

and we can't let them get away with it.

Well, the answer is you're gonna have to cuz you can't stop 'em you're

gonna have to do it through diplomacy and not through hardcore military

action cuz you just can't do it.

Right.

There was one other thing that Pelosi said, basically she said, oh, I've,

I've got a connection with China.

And they said, what do you mean this isn't like one of these press conferences?

And she said, oh, when I was a kid, we used to talk about at the beach,

if you keep digging a hole, deep enough, you'll end up in China.

And so I feel like I've got this connection with China.

seriously.

We were told that too, which is interesting that both Americans

and the British would dig to China.

That's right.

What's even more amazing is that somebody in her position would

use that as an anecdote or a, an press conference as a means of

ingratiating yourself with, with them.

It's like Sarah Palin with her.

Oh, I, I get on with the Russians that I can see them from my

back door or whatever, isn't it.

If I stand on my tippy toe, I can see, I can see Russia,

Joe, you you put me onto a website called ground news.

mm, I was impressed by that.

I'd not seen it before.

Mm, ground news, ground.news looks at news articles and analyzes where

they've been reported, whether it's been in left wing or right wing

media and sort of, or center media.

Yes.

And sort of does this analysis of news reports.

So one of the interesting things was you could they had

a, a thing on their blind spot.

So if you say, traditionally, look at left wing media and you know, you

do it will say, okay, then you've probably missed in your blind spot.

This article that for example, appears in right wing media, but

doesn't appear in left wing media.

So, and that was where I got the Nancy Pelosi one about Digna hole to China.

So, so yeah.

So her connection with China was reported in seven sources that were declared

as right wing sources, but did not appear in any left or center sources.

Yeah.

So, so if you are worried that you're in a bubble or you've got a blind spot, you

could hop on there and and find things that will appear in the other media.

Or you could watch Taka Carl, I, I have seen the whole Johnny de thing

has shown me the inherent bias and yeah, it's got me second guessing now

as to what else is as blatantly biased watching, watching things happening in

the courtroom mm-hmm and then seeing across the whole or the left, right.

Doesn't matter news articles coming out.

And I going that, isn't what happened, you know, I was watching the live

stream and what you are reporting.

Isn't what happened.

Yeah.

And you're going, what else are they bullshiting us on?

Yes.

Yep.

Yep.

And, and is it, is it this because they have a slant, is it because they're

being lazy and they're just picking up a press release that an interested party

has handed to them and just copying it?

Yep.

Have they been selective in their quoting and just picking things out?

Like the financial review just did with personal income tax levels, one statistic

without the context around it mm-hmm yeah.

It's, you know, has, has this been the IPA handed them a press release

and they've just copied and Rere and what the IPA have handed them.

Yeah.

That's and yeah, usually you get the left.

Right.

And they balance each other out to an extent mm.

but there have been some things where it doesn't matter which one

they're all got their own slant.

Mm-hmm yeah, I I'm starting to go.

I, I do want to hear dissenting voices.

Mm-hmm yep.

You've just gotta recognize where is this coming from?

So this is what I used to argue with Paul about when he kept creating the spectator.

And I said, I've seen too many articles from the spectator that were disingenuous,

that cherry picked one side of the argument and didn't provide the context.

And the other side of the argument or were just completely lies.

So I couldn't read anything in that magazine without thinking.

Am I just reading complete bullshit?

I don't trust what's in here.

And mm-hmm I know with the John mangy blog, I've never felt that except with

one particular author was Ramish URA.

And I can just remember reading and going this just, you just stood

out like a sore thumb in that blog.

And I haven't seen him for a long, long time.

I think he disappeared from there.

So, yeah.

First thing, when you read an article is where is this coming from and who

is the individual writing it and okay.

Then start reading it.

Well, if it's, if it's the courier males lagging off PHE yes.

He going, yeah, serious a vanity Faire with Donald Trump.

I mean, I go through my apple news feed mm-hmm in the morning and there's a,

you know, Trump has been caught doing this and I go that's vanity fair.

Isn't it.

Sure enough.

It's vanity fair.

Yeah.

You get a feeling for the style as well.

Don't you?

Yeah.

Me, the chat room said, my dad always said, if you're at the

bottom of a hole, stop digging

And she also says, I don't necessarily want dissenting voices sometimes.

I just want the damn facts.

Hmm.

That's why you're here.

Isn't it, Mel.

But just the facts according to who?

Yep.

Just the facts that you can trust.

Yeah.

Ah, yeah.

So anyway, that statement here, it was from Pelosi she's 82 year old Pelosi, 82.

What she said in response to the question regarding Chinese aggression

when I was not speaker of the house.

Yeah.

Right.

Okay.

When I was a little girl, I was told at the beach, if I dig a hole

deep enough, we would reach China.

So we've always felt a connection there.

Make sense?

Yes.

Yep.

Okay.

And if you dig a hole, that's one meter by one meter by one meter.

How much earth is.

In the whole, no earth.

You've just dug a whole, a trick question.

Exactly.

Didn't fall for that one.

No.

Yeah.

I'm impressed.

so, Joe, if you ever get elected department and you have to swear

allegiance to the queen, you can do it.

Lydia tho did.

And bear it true allegiance to the colonizing, her majesty queen Elizabeth

II, and be reprimanded by the speaker and be forced to read it properly.

What'd you think of that?

Well, I came over here, you know, as part of the colonies to teach

you all has to speaking quickly.

So,

I, I have no problems with allegiance, the queen.

I understand the Republic movement.

The question is how, what, why, where I'm not completely anti monarchy.

I, I think there's a value.

There's a Val I, yeah.

I mean, I understand it's a foreign country, but it's still the Commonwealth.

It's still, there are ties.

Although I think they become less relevant as each year goes by.

Hmm.

You're more of a traditional style.

I would've pegged you for, you know, yeah.

I'm first generation though.

Yeah.

Okay.

Gotta get your daughter on here and see what she thinks.

Yeah, I I'm sure she would have different views.

Yeah.

You know, I good on Lydia Thorpe.

It reminds me a little bit of when George W.

Bush was in parliament, I think, and the greens leader just was there

and just yelled out at him that he was a war mongering, bastard

or something, you know, like that.

And eventually got ejected out of the parliament.

Like it takes a lot of guts to sort of who threw a shoe at him.

I don't, I dunno if it was the greens leader or not, but

somebody threw a shoe at here.

I dunno if it was in the Australian parliament, but it takes a lot of guts in

a crowded room to to just rock the boat.

Mm-hmm on the airplane back, there was this guy, two rows back, tapping

away on his laptop and he had his headphones on and probably didn't

realize that the sound was coming out of his laptop as he was like firing away

and killing stuff on his laptop game.

I said, my wife what's that.

And you know, we're putting up for, with it for a minute or two.

It was like, oh, I can't bear this, this just drive me crazy.

And everybody, you know, we looking around and everybody's thinking,

this is just crazy, but nobody was like wanting to do anything about it.

Wanted to go mate.

Yeah.

Turn it.

I pressed the button called the hostess and said, there's a guy back there.

She was really good.

Sawed it out.

Thanks me afterwards.

That was my Lydia thought moment.

Okay.

anyway, ah, Shane, Shane might have, Shane might have a comment to

make about that Shane, you know, in airplanes, people tapping away on

their laptops and, and making noise.

Anyway, very inconsiderate.

Yeah.

Oh, she says, that's why we were there.

That's true show.

Li thought, good honor.

Like, okay.

She made a point, I think, and drew attention to it.

And so she was told you were required to recite the oath as printed on the

card and she then did so and afterwards tweeted sovereignty never seated.

So anyway, I haven't always agreed with everything Lydia TH's done, but

on that one, I'll never full marks.

What's that Anne says that as shoe was thrown at John

Howard on Q and a, ah, okay.

Eric says I only had your hand in the air for a second Trevor to press the button.

Hey, probably better to call professionals.

That's right.

They're not gonna escalate it.

Yeah, Joe, over the years, If you'd said to me, seven years ago, 350

episodes ago that I would spend so much time talking about ethical

issues surrounding footballers.

I would've said bullshit.

How could footballers give rise to ethical dilemmas?

Their continued maltreatment of women off the pitch, their visibility as part of

the community, the fact that they maybe don't necessarily represent the norm in

our community, particularly given there's a lot of Polynesian rugby league players,

Christian, a bunch of large burly blokes taking a shower together after the match.

Yeah, soaping each other up I think they jump a nice path, but we've talked a lot

on this podcast, dear listener, as you would know about Israel for layoff, for

example we talked about taking the knee.

We've talked about prayers half time footballers.

We probably even talked, maybe I think about footballers singing the

national Anthem at some point, I don't know whether they were obliged

to whether they should be forced to whose freedoms responsibilities, how

these all way up against each other.

And it's actually quite interesting.

Like I think I put in a in the ad for this podcast, that, that football is

a kind of like a, the trolley problem, you know, you know, the trolley problem

where switch the lever and you'll, instead of killing one person, you'll

kill four people, but blah, blah.

And then, you know, okay, okay.

It's, it's not a trolley, but it's a fat person on a bridge and you could

push them off and, you know, and you have all these other scenarios and

you can then argue endlessly about what is the morally correct thing

to do in different circumstances.

And I think we've, I think we've reached that point with footballers

where you could possibly have longer discussions by the time

you've dealt with taking the need.

So should you push football or off a bridge?

that's right.

To stop a gay, a, a transgender train from crashing into a cliff.

Yeah.

Whatever.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's just a, wouldn't say a minefield.

What's the other thing.

It's the opposite.

It's like a, it's a, it's a, you can harvest all of these

ethical dilemmas from football.

So the latest one is the manly players.

The manly football club decided it would make a minor alterations to its

Jersey to include recogni sort of a rainbow colors as part of a inclusivity

agenda and recognizing at rugby league.

No doubt has L G B T I Q sort of people in the community, somebody in head

office thought that was a good idea.

And a, nobody spoke to the players and when seven Christian Polynesian

players found out about it, they said, they're not gonna wear that Jersey.

And for that particular game, they actually sat down and didn't, they

didn't they weren't members of the team.

In fact, I don't even think they went to the match because it was

a considered a security risk.

So I think they just didn't even go to the to the oval to even watch.

I think that was the plan anyway.

So, yeah, held it to death by a large purple DDO.

Yeah.

So where do we stand on this one in the chat room?

Dear listener, dear chat room me Professional footballers.

Are they entitled to say, no, I'm not gonna wear that Jersey.

Should they be paid for their time off?

Should football clubs be doing this without getting the

consent of all of the team?

The people actually wearing the Jersey?

I hopefully it is an unpaid sponsor and surely it's the same

as any other form of sponsorship.

Mm-hmm . If the club has decided that that is a pro pro bono sponsorship,

mm-hmm , what would happen?

Are there terms of conditions that say you can choose not to wear a

sports, be advert on your, if it goes against your religious beliefs?

Cause there has been times when I think sunny bill Williams was against either

alcohol or gambling or some other advertisement that was on the Jersey and

it was either covered up or something with tape or, or some arrangement was

made to, to cover it up so that he wasn't wearing that obvious logo of

either an alcohol or gambling sponsor.

Kind of like that.

So, well, where to begin with this.

So.

And it'll all come back back to the essential thing

that's being undertaken here.

So, ah, jerseys in general, I mean, if it is an alcohol or a gambling sponsor that

is putting the logo on the shirt and you decide you don't want to wear that Jersey,

then I think as a professional footballer, these days entering into this market, you

have to say, there are gonna be things on the Jersey that I can't control.

And I might be forced to wear things that I don't want to wear, but if I

want the big money and this is where the money comes from, then I'm gonna

have to wear it or put it in your contract that you're not gonna wear it.

And see whether you get a contract.

Like if it is so important to you that you do not wanna wear any gambling or alcohol

advertisements, for example, on a Jersey, then when you sign up with a club, say,

I see at the moment you don't have it.

If you decide to take on a sponsor like that, I either can leave the club

or wear a J a different Jersey and negotiate it because I think you just

gotta expect that there might be some.

Business that you don't like.

And in the absence of that agreement you're gonna be lumped with it

because I don't think wearing a Jersey is seen as a personal

endorsement of what's on the Jersey.

Like everybody knows that footballers are just whacking on the Jersey.

That's given to them a little bit different to taking the knee

or saying prayers at half time.

like, if you participate in taking the knee or saying the prayer, I think

people would say, well, you personally are in favor of that particular thing.

So you might want to abstain, if you are not in favor of that particular thing,

should the kit even contain any form of advertising, the rugby league Jersey?

Any, any sports?

Yeah.

Well, should it just be thin colors and leave the advertising

to around there, edge to the field?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I mean, that's an option, but they would, if they said to the players got

this great solution, you guys don't have to wear sponsorship stuff in New Jersey,

unfortunately instead of $500,000 a year, you are only gonna get 200,000.

Is that all?

Okay.

I think most of would say.

I wanna wear the logo, like that's through my morals.

That that is part of all, this is that if you're gonna take the money and the money

genuinely comes from that sponsorship logo, which it does if you're gonna take

the money, then you gotta, you've gotta do the thing that generates the money.

You can't have both.

You can't say I want the money, but I don't want to do the

thing that generates the money.

That's where I sort of look at these things.

So obviously prayers at half time, doesn't generate money, taking the knee.

Doesn't generate money.

It's nothing to do with that.

So, and you're quite entitled to say, I'm not gonna participate in that.

I'm a footballer wearing a rainbow in your shirt.

Doesn't generate the money though.

Does it?

Well, good que good point.

Good point.

But UN, unless, unless you are virtue signaling to a group of advertisers.

Yes.

There's some incidental virtue signaling money, but there's also the

point that whatever's on the Jersey.

It's not taken to be.

Personal endorsement.

Like if I was a professional footballer, for example I'm put in a time machine and

they add 40 kilos of muscle to me and, and , and half my speed of running a hundred

meters and they say, sustainable steroids.

You'd be fine.

And here, here you go, Trevor, you can join.

And there's a fair chance that there's gonna be a Christian hill song

advertisement on the, on the Jersey.

I guess if I put myself in that position somehow you know what

I would, I wouldn't join a club that had that as their sponsor.

I'd find some other one, but if the sponsorship came up while I was there,

I'd say, continue with this and I'm gonna leave at the end of my contract.

And then I would just wear the Hillsong Jersey for the remainder of my contract

and then go at the first opportunity.

And at the end of the day, people would all know my position on hill

song and whether I supported it or not, I don't think my moral

position would be I wouldn't be seen as a hypocrite or or whatever.

I'd just be just dealing with the circumstance as it arrives.

So that's what I say to, to the Polynesian footballers.

You're you're not worried about burning in health for supporting cell.

That is true.

Yeah.

But so I think you can be morally secure and say, I'm locked into this thing.

I'll put up with it.

Why I am.

And then I'm just gonna leave and do go somewhere else.

They've be going off the chat room more than footballers league.

Yeah.

They've been going off the chat room.

It's really hard to read.

So sorts of comments while you're trying to think about these things.

So I'll just read one thing.

Good point about jerseys, Trevor.

Thank you, Broman.

That's that's all I need to read, so, okay.

Oh and Eric, exactly Trevor.

So in this case it was one game.

There we go.

Some people are agreeing.

That's good to know.

John did point out that paid soccer players are having problems

with personal sponsorship, conflicting with club sponsorship.

Yep.

And that's why you choose a personal sponsor.

That's not gonna conflict with your club sponsor, but if the

club changes sponsorship later.

Yep.

That's why you, when you sign the contract, have a clause that says,

if you engage a club sponsor that is in contradiction with my personal

sponsor, then I'm entitled to cancel my contract with you and go and

kick a football with somebody else.

These are the sorts of things that you have to do if you

feel so strongly about it.

So, and I'm sure these contracts would have stuff like that at that level,

particularly professional soccer applies.

So, but.

Maybe I've missed my calling.

Maybe I should be writing rugby league player contracts.

Yeah.

Mm.

Yeah.

So you just gotta look at these things and yeah.

If it's not a Jersey, nobody thinks that that is you particularly advocating

and supporting what's on your Jersey.

It's like when you're standing for prayers doesn't mean you actually

are in support of the prayer, unless you're actually saying the prayer.

This is all different.

If we're talking about prayers on a football field

in prayers, in a parliament.

Yeah.

Cuz you are compelling people to participate.

Yeah.

Oh, enough of all that.

I've sort of canvased some of the issues.

Yeah, I think that's enough of that could go on.

Yeah.

You're not going on to Bob Katter.

He's investigat.

He's on my list here.

I'm sure he is on I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get to him.

Okay.

Yep.

He's on here.

First of all, did you hear about in new?

This is from the New York times and it was a guy in Brooklyn.

A Bishop in Brooklyn was in the middle of delivering his sermon.

and he and his wife were robbed at gunpoint of more than $1 million worth

of jewelry at a Brooklyn church brain.

Hard enough.

that's not bad, is it?

Hmm.

You're in church.

And you're wearing 1 million gold with a hadn't realized it was the million dollars

worth of jewelry you were pointing out.

I thought it was the getting robbed in church.

Yeah.

So well, it's both, isn't it?

Yeah.

In the middle of delivering his sermon robbed at robbed at gunpoint in the middle

of his sermon, begging for money to pay for the poor people who were starving.

Yep.

Lamore M Whitehead.

Do you, do you get carrot as adverts on Facebook?

Do I get what adverts Carus, the Catholic church's agent?

Charity.

No, no, I don't.

I, I get spammed by them about, you know, a mere $10 could save this person's li

eyesight in Africa or whatever it is.

Ah, and you go, if, if only there was a, a large organization that could

possibly sell off some of its assets to pay for this mm-hmm oh, wait.

Part of the Catholic church.

Aren't you mm-hmm yeah, there's one Bishop.

There we go.

In the chat room.

Eric says it was live.

And Ricky says, God moves in mysterious ways.

He does.

Yeah.

If you've read silence of the lambs Hannibal letter.

Yeah.

Collected church collapses.

Church collapses.

Yes.

What's a church collapse.

As in earthquakes, the buildings falling down on the parishioners,

he, he, he saw that as an irony that, you know, these people were in.

Oh, right.

God's building.

Oh, he praying to God he collected instances of it as a record.

Yes.

Right.

Okay.

Yes.

Yeah.

Or been a lightning bolt strikes a church and burns it down.

Probably he collected those as well, but it was, you know, the,

the fruition has being killed whilst praying for redemption.

Yep.

Of what an uncaring God.

Yep.

We previously were talking about Chris about rum.

Were we, was Chris, the guy who does the brewing in the chat room?

I don't remember.

I do remember somebody talking about rum.

I pride this podcast on, on, on tackling a wide range of topics in the time that

we have Joe, like sometimes we hit 30 topics in two hours, Chris, in the chat

room on a side note, I started making nice pirate rum with 50 kilograms of

banana, 10 of pineapple, 15 kilos of molasses and 25 kilos of Dray last month.

You're right, Chris?

That is a side note.

Mm yep.

It's one of the best rums deliver taste.

Do you done the bucket though?

This is the question.

It's it's two years later, it's one of the best rums you'll ever taste.

Joe, I'll take his word for that.

I, I actually watched some interesting YouTube videos on making rum, right.

And how you keep the drags of your dis behind and leave it ferment.

And, and over time it just gets funer and funer, and really

adds flavor to the right.

Okay.

Bit like a sour in that gets more flavor as it goes along.

Yep.

that's when you'll be due is this something you need to tell us?

Shalene all right.

Very good.

Still still on religious matters episode 350.

The whole John Barro thing.

No doubt.

Everyone's across it.

What a corrupt government they've got down there in new south Wales.

They're they're making the, the J BKI Peterson government look good is what

they're doing down there at the moment.

But I saw this thing, Amy Brown, the new south Wales public servant, who appointed

John bar Laro for the lucrative New York job says she models her management

style on Jesus and is confident God can use her to influence people in the

work she does just to add to the misery of what is new south Wales government.

Dear listen.

It's what you just, what I wanted.

Yeah.

We've been talking for nearly seven years on how the evangelical Christian

groups have been basically taking a leaf out of the tea party playbook in

America and have overtaken the branches in the liberal party in Australia.

And here's an article from the age, John FA former ABC

mornings presenter down there.

Talking about how Matthew Guy and Mitch Catlin, his former chief of staff

involved in a nefarious thing down there with asking for donations and donations

never made, but pretty ugly stuff.

Rams, no doubt across all of it being in Victoria.

And the opposition leader argued.

There was no problem because the proposed side hustle never went ahead, which

is like guy forks saying that he only plotted the blow up Britain's parliament.

So that's all.

Okay.

Anyway some liberals.

So this is Victoria.

Some liberals believe they're one dominant party must better reflect

Christian, right values modeled by American evangelist politicians.

They believe the future is to inhabit the space vacated by the collapse

five years ago of the family.

First experiment, three recent pre-selection in Victoria are evidence.

They are winning the internal battle in the upper house.

Southeastern Metro seat.

Anne Maria Hermans will replace Gordon rich Phillips Hermans

was a family first candidate.

That's not a good start.

As you see me inhales from the assembly of God, I've never seen her.

I've never met her.

I've never read anything other than this, but I've got image about her already, Joe,

that's just the cynical, I don't know.

Is, is this different from Fred?

Nile's just a female version of Fred Nile is what I've got in my head.

So that's Anne Marie Hermans in Western Metro Mo redeeming won the spot on the

liberal ticket to replace the banished religious fire brand, Bernie Finn.

Although she says some of the same controversial views that

led to Finn being expelled.

So crazy.

Christian Finn got expelled replaced by promising Christian.

Crazy, crazy Christian.

Yeah, that's two, but most telling of all was the contest in

the Eastern Victorian regional.

After a remarkably efficient recruitment drive gyps land chiropractor,

alarm bills ringing, ready?

Go.

Exactly.

And city builders, church figure Renee Heath won a tight contest against

competent and sensible sitting, liberal, moderate, and lawyer Catherine Bernard,

wake by a single vote senior moderate lib.

Go on.

I was just thinking what happened to Danny?

What's his name?

Catch the fire ministries, Victoria.

Oh, I dunno.

Let's get through these three senior.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Senior moderate liberals can see the religious takeover they've been

resisting for 10 years is succeeding some speculate on abandoning their party

to the insurgents and starting again.

Will the liberal party survive or are we watching it collapse?

Daniel Andrews can't believe his luck.

Ah, Roman, what's going on in Victoria?

You people down there used to laugh at us Hicksville up here in Queensland.

I guess you've got Dean Andrews.

Yeah.

Danny's somebody.

He was a Sri Lankan migrant who was catch the fire ministries.

And I think eventually his church got banned.

From mixing politics and religion, they, they lost their oh, okay.

Their tax exempt status.

The worst possible thing that could happen to a church.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Bronwin knows Danny Nalia so there you have it three they're

just in disarray down there.

They need really good candidates cuz they're just obviously fucked

and all that can happen is they just get more of these Christian nutts

because they've dominated the party.

I think they have to, I think what you, I think what you get is the tales.

Yeah.

And I think liberals who, I think it's a bit like a few things now.

I think the, I think they're talking about the board of the ABC of completely

disbanding it and starting again.

And I think things like the AAT, the administrative appeals tribunal, so

stacked with so many liberal appointees that they're going to, I think just

close down the AAT and start with something else because it's just gonna

be too hard to get rid of these people.

So I think the liberals will have to consider abandoning the liberal party.

The problem is start up a new party, but how do you stop.

The same, the rusted all motors.

Well, how do you stop the, you know, what'll happen?

How do you stop these people taking, taking that over again as well?

Like they, they might stay with the liberal party.

It continues to you.

You stand as a loose Alliance of independence.

Mm-hmm yeah.

I, I dunno how they avoid being rein infiltrated when the liberal

party completely crashes and the remnants of these Christian groups

decide well, what's the next best conservative party will go to this new

conservative party will infiltrate in.

I dunno how you would stop 'em it's not just the Vic liberals who

convinced that they're too progressive.

Mm-hmm yeah.